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From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Chimp Collaboratory... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25862 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25863 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25864 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25865 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25866 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25867 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25868 |
From: James |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25869 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25870 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25871 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25872 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25873 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25874 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25875 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25876 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25877 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25878 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25879 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25880 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25881 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25882 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25883 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25884 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25885 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25886 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25887 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25888 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25889 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25890 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25891 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25892 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25893 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25894 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25895 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Thanks |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25896 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Fwd: Sarah needs to leave at 10:15. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25897 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Thank you, Sarah. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25898 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast!! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25899 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Song of the Day |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25900 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Song of the Day |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25901 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Song of the Day |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25902 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25903 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Links to Jeffie |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25904 |
From: John |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25905 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Links to Jeffie |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25906 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25907 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25908 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25909 |
From: kuiama1973@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25910 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25911 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: A Quick Rundown of the Week's Events... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25912 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25913 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: A Quick Rundown of the Week's Events... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25914 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Seriously, though... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25915 |
From: kuiama1973@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25916 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25917 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25918 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25919 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25920 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25921 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25922 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25923 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25924 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25925 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25926 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25927 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25928 |
From: Kasey Taylor Cooper |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25929 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25930 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25931 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25932 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25933 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25934 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25935 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25936 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25937 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25938 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25939 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25940 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25941 |
From: Kasey Taylor Cooper |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25942 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25943 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25944 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25945 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25946 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: A Quick Rundown of the Week's Events... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25947 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Homepage Thanks... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25948 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Homepage Thanks... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25949 |
From: kuiama1973@aol.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Love the homepage!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25950 |
From: Dario |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25951 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25952 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25953 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Ape money |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25954 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Song of the Day |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25955 |
From: dg_guest |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25956 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Soon we will be talking with Robin Dickson... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25957 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25958 |
From: dg_guest |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25959 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Hi Robin!! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25960 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Hi Robin!! |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25861 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Chimp Collaboratory... |
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.html Jeff, et al...
Sarah from the Chimp Collaboratory is going to be here at 12:00 Noon
(Eastern) 9:00 am (Pacific). Elaine and Kasey are going to be our
hostesses, but others will be there as well. You know, we're
sending cookies to the person with the most thoughtful/thought
provoking question. That could be you. Also, I think, to the DG
member with the most (allowable) questions.
It would be great if you would join us.
Helen <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25862 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
.htmlSure, I'll pop in. This is a fun week. A little bird told me (a mutant
little bird, natch) that someone's coming in Thursday, someone who hasn't
been here in a while. - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:51 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to comics
>
>
> Goodness knows. They all look like Apes to me.
>
> Hey, Jeff. You going to join us tonight when Michelle comes to
> visit? We'd love to have you.
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Just out of curiousity, which DG lady tied me up? I hope they
> were
> > ruthless! I've been a bad boy. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:09 AM
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to comics
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, Luke, if you haven't been around much, you've walked into a
> > > bit of a trap. The ladies of the DG have staged a Take Over of
> the
> > > PotaDG. We've tied up the members of the boys' club (put you
> all on
> > > moderation, in case you haven't noticed) and redecorated the
> hall.
> > >
> > > Now about the forum for discussion. We are tying something that
> is
> > > a little new for us. The ladies have invited some guests to
> join us
> > > during this week.. With the guys tied up in the back room, we
> feel
> > > a little more comfortable having guests about. :)
> > >
> > > We played with the chat feature, and it's a bit unreliable, so we
> > > are bringing guests right along with us on the web page. There
> are
> > > a few glitches there, as well, but as we saw yesterday, it works.
> > > We'll have it all figured out by the time we cut the boys loose
> > > again.
> > >
> > > (Were we going to do that, girls?)
> > >
> > > As far as what we usually do... We usually hang out here and
> talk
> > > about rude stuff...
> > >
> > > No!! This, too will pass....
> > >
> > > Welcome, Luke.
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> > > <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Excellent!!! I will tyr to be here. Now I am still a little
> new to
> > > > the group thing. Do you all chat in a room and discuss
> different
> > > > things or just post on the web page? Sounds interesting.
> > > >
> > > > I especially like the fan comics. Especially the ones dealing
> with
> > > > the TV series. It is so sad they axed it when they did. I still
> > > > remeber it getting the ax when I was a kid.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25863 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
.htmlVery cool.
Yes, a very special guest will join us on Thursday. I'm looking
forward to it! You'll be there, too, right?
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Sure, I'll pop in. This is a fun week. A little bird told me (a
mutant
> little bird, natch) that someone's coming in Thursday, someone who
hasn't
> been here in a while. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:51 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to comics
>
>
> >
> >
> > Goodness knows. They all look like Apes to me.
> >
> > Hey, Jeff. You going to join us tonight when Michelle comes to
> > visit? We'd love to have you.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just out of curiousity, which DG lady tied me up? I hope they
> > were
> > > ruthless! I've been a bad boy. - - - Jeff
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > > To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:09 AM
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to comics
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, Luke, if you haven't been around much, you've walked
into a
> > > > bit of a trap. The ladies of the DG have staged a Take Over
of
> > the
> > > > PotaDG. We've tied up the members of the boys' club (put you
> > all on
> > > > moderation, in case you haven't noticed) and redecorated the
> > hall.
> > > >
> > > > Now about the forum for discussion. We are tying something
that
> > is
> > > > a little new for us. The ladies have invited some guests to
> > join us
> > > > during this week.. With the guys tied up in the back room,
we
> > feel
> > > > a little more comfortable having guests about. :)
> > > >
> > > > We played with the chat feature, and it's a bit unreliable,
so we
> > > > are bringing guests right along with us on the web page.
There
> > are
> > > > a few glitches there, as well, but as we saw yesterday, it
works.
> > > > We'll have it all figured out by the time we cut the boys
loose
> > > > again.
> > > >
> > > > (Were we going to do that, girls?)
> > > >
> > > > As far as what we usually do... We usually hang out here and
> > talk
> > > > about rude stuff...
> > > >
> > > > No!! This, too will pass....
> > > >
> > > > Welcome, Luke.
> > > >
> > > > ;)
> > > >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> > > > <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Excellent!!! I will tyr to be here. Now I am still a little
> > new to
> > > > > the group thing. Do you all chat in a room and discuss
> > different
> > > > > things or just post on the web page? Sounds interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > I especially like the fan comics. Especially the ones
dealing
> > with
> > > > > the TV series. It is so sad they axed it when they did. I
still
> > > > > remeber it getting the ax when I was a kid.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25864 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
.htmlI wouldn't miss it. Unless I'm in a car accident, of course. Or if my
heart stops. Or what if a relative back East has two weeks to live? Yikes! I
could be kidnapped by Osama Bin Laden! What if I'm suddenly paralyzed and
can't type on the keyboard? Come to think of it, we're all lucky to be alive
THIS instant. Thursday, who knows?! - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:59 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to comics
>
>
> Very cool.
>
> Yes, a very special guest will join us on Thursday. I'm looking
> forward to it! You'll be there, too, right?
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> >
> > Sure, I'll pop in. This is a fun week. A little bird told me (a
> mutant
> > little bird, natch) that someone's coming in Thursday, someone who
> hasn't
> > been here in a while. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:51 AM
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to comics
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Goodness knows. They all look like Apes to me.
> > >
> > > Hey, Jeff. You going to join us tonight when Michelle comes to
> > > visit? We'd love to have you.
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just out of curiousity, which DG lady tied me up? I hope they
> > > were
> > > > ruthless! I've been a bad boy. - - - Jeff
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > > > To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:09 AM
> > > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to comics
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, Luke, if you haven't been around much, you've walked
> into a
> > > > > bit of a trap. The ladies of the DG have staged a Take Over
> of
> > > the
> > > > > PotaDG. We've tied up the members of the boys' club (put you
> > > all on
> > > > > moderation, in case you haven't noticed) and redecorated the
> > > hall.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now about the forum for discussion. We are tying something
> that
> > > is
> > > > > a little new for us. The ladies have invited some guests to
> > > join us
> > > > > during this week.. With the guys tied up in the back room,
> we
> > > feel
> > > > > a little more comfortable having guests about. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > We played with the chat feature, and it's a bit unreliable,
> so we
> > > > > are bringing guests right along with us on the web page.
> There
> > > are
> > > > > a few glitches there, as well, but as we saw yesterday, it
> works.
> > > > > We'll have it all figured out by the time we cut the boys
> loose
> > > > > again.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Were we going to do that, girls?)
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as what we usually do... We usually hang out here and
> > > talk
> > > > > about rude stuff...
> > > > >
> > > > > No!! This, too will pass....
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome, Luke.
> > > > >
> > > > > ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Helen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> > > > > <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excellent!!! I will tyr to be here. Now I am still a little
> > > new to
> > > > > > the group thing. Do you all chat in a room and discuss
> > > different
> > > > > > things or just post on the web page? Sounds interesting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I especially like the fan comics. Especially the ones
> dealing
> > > with
> > > > > > the TV series. It is so sad they axed it when they did. I
> still
> > > > > > remeber it getting the ax when I was a kid.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25865 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
|
.html .html
I would like to welcome Sarah to the DG! Elaine<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25866 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlHi Elaine,
Sarah should be with us shortly. I invite everyone to be sure to
check out the links on the homepage. There is a link to the
Chimpanzee Collaboratory and a special link (from their site) to a
video of chimps in the movies. Chubbs from the POTA 2001 is shown
briefly in the video.)
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I would like to welcome Sarah to the DG! Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25867 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlHi-
Thanks for inviting me. I'm not sure what y'all want to talk about,
but I'm happy to answer questions. As quick background, the
Chimpanzee Collaboratory works on legal, international, and public
education issues related to chimpanzees and other great apes. We
currently have a campaign to end the use of apes in entertainment
(movies, tv, ads, etc). We're a group of 7 non-profits and our
members include scientists, public policy experts, and attorneys. I
conducted our investigation of a chimpanzee trainer in Hollywood,
during which time I saw horrifying abuse.
I can also talk about sanctuaries, chimp communication (I worked
with chimps who speak sign language in graduate school), etc. Ask
away!
Sarah
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I would like to welcome Sarah to the DG! Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25868 |
From: James |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Links to comics |
.htmlI wonder who that could be.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Sure, I'll pop in. This is a fun week. A little bird told me (a
mutant
> little bird, natch) that someone's coming in Thursday, someone who
hasn't
> been here in a while. - - - Jeff
> <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25869 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
|
.html .html
I had the pleasure of spending a day at DR Fouts sanctuary at Central Washington University. What I liked about this visit was, I had to respect chimp culture, in other words I had to conform to their way of life not
make them conform to me. Just a statement that if more people understood that apes do have their own culture, they maybe more willing to fight for better treatment. Elaine<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25870 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlHi Sarah! We first met when I came to you with my "Finding Milo"
project. I was searching for the chimp from the Planet of the Apes
movie done in the 70s. You were very helpful to me. It's actually
then that I realized how important the Chimp Collaboratory is to
present movement to save the Ape populations.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler" <sarahbaeckler@y...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi-
>
> Thanks for inviting me. I'm not sure what y'all want to talk
about,
> but I'm happy to answer questions. As quick background, the
> Chimpanzee Collaboratory works on legal, international, and public
> education issues related to chimpanzees and other great apes. We
> currently have a campaign to end the use of apes in entertainment
> (movies, tv, ads, etc). We're a group of 7 non-profits and our
> members include scientists, public policy experts, and attorneys.
I
> conducted our investigation of a chimpanzee trainer in Hollywood,
> during which time I saw horrifying abuse.
>
> I can also talk about sanctuaries, chimp communication (I worked
> with chimps who speak sign language in graduate school), etc. Ask
> away!
>
> Sarah
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > I would like to welcome Sarah to the DG! Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25871 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlExactly. Dr. Fouts is a member of the Collaboratory and was my
advisor in graduate school. The whole facility is designed to meet
the chimps' needs, not the humans'.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I had the pleasure of spending a day at DR Fouts sanctuary at
Central
> Washington University. What I liked about this visit was, I had to
respect chimp
> culture, in other words I had to conform to their way of life not
make them
> conform to me. Just a statement that if more people understood
that apes do have
> their own culture, they maybe more willing to fight for better
treatment. Elaine <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25872 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlRight. Chimps in movies are only "useful" to their trainers for the
first few years of their lives. After that, they become too strong
(a chimp is 5-10 times stronger than an adult human) to be managed
and they often get cast off to other facilities. That's likely what
happened to the chimp you've been looking for. That's what happened
to Chubbs, who was in the Tim Burton POTA. He's now in a very
shabby rundown roadside zoo in Texas, squeezed into a tiny
overcrowded cage, because he couldn't "act" anymore.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Sarah! We first met when I came to you with my "Finding Milo"
> project. I was searching for the chimp from the Planet of the
Apes
> movie done in the 70s. You were very helpful to me. It's
actually
> then that I realized how important the Chimp Collaboratory is to
> present movement to save the Ape populations.
>
> Helen
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler"
<sarahbaeckler@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi-
> >
> > Thanks for inviting me. I'm not sure what y'all want to talk
> about,
> > but I'm happy to answer questions. As quick background, the
> > Chimpanzee Collaboratory works on legal, international, and
public
> > education issues related to chimpanzees and other great apes.
We
> > currently have a campaign to end the use of apes in
entertainment
> > (movies, tv, ads, etc). We're a group of 7 non-profits and our
> > members include scientists, public policy experts, and
attorneys.
> I
> > conducted our investigation of a chimpanzee trainer in
Hollywood,
> > during which time I saw horrifying abuse.
> >
> > I can also talk about sanctuaries, chimp communication (I worked
> > with chimps who speak sign language in graduate school), etc.
Ask
> > away!
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > > I would like to welcome Sarah to the DG! Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25873 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlThe Chimpanzee Collaboratory actually seems to have it's hands in
most of the Apes projects that are going on now. You are active
with the Great Apes Project, also. Our group supports the Great
Apes Project.
What is your position in the Chimp Collaboratory and what kinds of
things are you involved in?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler" <sarahbaeckler@y...>
wrote:
>
> Exactly. Dr. Fouts is a member of the Collaboratory and was my
> advisor in graduate school. The whole facility is designed to
meet
> the chimps' needs, not the humans'.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > I had the pleasure of spending a day at DR Fouts sanctuary at
> Central
> > Washington University. What I liked about this visit was, I had
to
> respect chimp
> > culture, in other words I had to conform to their way of life
not
> make them
> > conform to me. Just a statement that if more people understood
> that apes do have
> > their own culture, they maybe more willing to fight for better
> treatment. Elaine <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25874 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
|
.html .html
I also visited Big Cat Rescue in Fla and was again pleasantly surprised to find the same situation. Like the chimps, the big cats are also given enrichment activities for mental stimulation. This is what concerns
me about all animals in labs and especially primates. It is unnatural to be confirmed in a cage without anything to do. Elaine<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25875 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
|
.html .html
What can I do to get Chubbs out of that situation. Elaine<.html <.html
|
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25876 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlMost of the "leaders" in primate advocacy are a part of the CC. The
Great Ape Project is a member, the Jane Goodall Institute, Roger and
Debbi Fouts, Carole Noon, who founded and directs the largest chimp
sanctuary in the world (in Florida and in a former biomedical
facility in New Mexico), the Animal Legal Defense Fund, the Doris
Day Animal League... Our member organizations sort of "pool" time
and resources to work on issues related to chimps. It's sort of
a 'think tank' of experts.
As for what I do, it's a bit of everything. As a primatologist, I
do a lot of research. People contact us when they see situations
where great apes need help (such as a roadside zoo or being kept as
a "pet") and we look into how we can help. I also do our
fundraising, media outreach, etc. We organize letter writing
campaigns to companies that use chimps in their ads. We're also
working on an international mechanism to protect great apes in their
natural habitats, where they are all critically endangered. Our
Director of International Programs is working with UN officials on
that project, which is very exciting!
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> The Chimpanzee Collaboratory actually seems to have it's hands in
> most of the Apes projects that are going on now. You are active
> with the Great Apes Project, also. Our group supports the Great
> Apes Project.
>
> What is your position in the Chimp Collaboratory and what kinds of
> things are you involved in?
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler"
<sarahbaeckler@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly. Dr. Fouts is a member of the Collaboratory and was my
> > advisor in graduate school. The whole facility is designed to
> meet
> > the chimps' needs, not the humans'.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > > I had the pleasure of spending a day at DR Fouts sanctuary at
> > Central
> > > Washington University. What I liked about this visit was, I
had
> to
> > respect chimp
> > > culture, in other words I had to conform to their way of life
> not
> > make them
> > > conform to me. Just a statement that if more people understood
> > that apes do have
> > > their own culture, they maybe more willing to fight for better
> > treatment. Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25877 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlYes, you're absolutely right. Chimps in the wild travel miles and
miles, looking for food and engaging in social interactions, etc.
When you put them in a cage, they literally have nothing to do.
They can't do their "job" so to speak. Many caring individuals at
sanctuaries work hard to provide enrichment (magazines, books,
clothes, toys, branches, creative food boxes, etc) but to be honest,
nothing can replace what it would be like for them in the wild. It
profoundly affects them both physically and mentally. And in terms
of labs, that calls into serious question the validity of any
results they're coming up with.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I also visited Big Cat Rescue in Fla and was again pleasantly
surprised to
> find the same situation. Like the chimps, the big cats are also
given enrichment
> activities for mental stimulation. This is what concerns me about
all
> animals in labs and especially primates. It is unnatural to be
confirmed in a cage
> without anything to do. Elaine <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25878 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
|
.html .html
It sounds like your organization has a full plate of issues to deal with concerning the apes. I feel that sanctuaries are a good place for chimps and other apes who are rescued from roadside attractions(I know ideally
they should be in their own natural habitat). If you were to start a sanctuary,how would you begin the process? Elaine<.html <.html
|
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25879 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlUnfortunately, since chimpanzees and other animals are
considered "property" in every state, there is not very much that
can be done. You can read more about the facility at
http://www.peta.org/feat/awr/default.asp
PETA did an undercover investigation there. That website has some
addresses of places you can write to to complain. In short, though,
unless the "owner" decides to give him up, there's not much hope.
That's why it's so important to spread the word not to participate
in any part of the cycle of the use of apes in entertainment. If
you pay money to go see them in a movie, you're helping the trainers
continue the cycle, and those chimps will soon be dumped off
somewhere else.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> What can I do to get Chubbs out of that situation. Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25880 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlIn the information I was reading about the Great Ape Census Project
they mention that apes in movies is the one of the current uses of
apes that has no justification. I don't have a problem with that,
but with the decline of apes populations, would you consider that to
be a main focus of your efforts?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler" <sarahbaeckler@y...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, you're absolutely right. Chimps in the wild travel miles and
> miles, looking for food and engaging in social interactions, etc.
> When you put them in a cage, they literally have nothing to do.
> They can't do their "job" so to speak. Many caring individuals at
> sanctuaries work hard to provide enrichment (magazines, books,
> clothes, toys, branches, creative food boxes, etc) but to be
honest,
> nothing can replace what it would be like for them in the wild.
It
> profoundly affects them both physically and mentally. And in
terms
> of labs, that calls into serious question the validity of any
> results they're coming up with.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > I also visited Big Cat Rescue in Fla and was again pleasantly
> surprised to
> > find the same situation. Like the chimps, the big cats are also
> given enrichment
> > activities for mental stimulation. This is what concerns me
about
> all
> > animals in labs and especially primates. It is unnatural to be
> confirmed in a cage
> > without anything to do. Elaine <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25881 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
|
.html .html
I am in a grad program in psychology and I just took a neuropsych course. I couldn't believe it but the textbook we used actually stated that most lab animals are well treated and cared for. And this is a recent
textbook!<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25882 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlSanctuaries can be wonderful. You're right that they should be in
the wild, but it's pretty much impossible to re-introduce a chimp
into the wild. They need to learn those skills from their mother at
an early age and if they don't there's no hope. So sanctuaries are
the next best thing.
As far as starting one, it's quite a process! There are endless
regulations and zoning issues to deal with. The USDA licenses most
facilities and to get a license you need to demonstrate experience
and expertise in the species you're trying to care for. Most states
have their own regulations and permit processes too. And then
there's the issue of money. To care for a group of 4 chimps for the
rest of their lives, it would cost more than a million dollars. I
always encourage people who are thinking about starting a sanctuary
to go visit as many as possible first.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> It sounds like your organization has a full plate of issues to
deal with
> concerning the apes. I feel that sanctuaries are a good place for
chimps and other
> apes who are rescued from roadside attractions(I know ideally they
should be
> in their own natural habitat). If you were to start a
sanctuary,how would you
> begin the process? Elaine <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25883 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlYou mean why spend time on the entertainment issue when they are
declining so rapidly in the wild? That's a good question. A study
at a zoo found that visitors didn't think chimps were endangered
because they see them on TV so much. It is difficult to raise
public awareness about their dwindling numbers in Africa when people
see so many of them in movies and on television. The issues fit
together.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> In the information I was reading about the Great Ape Census
Project
> they mention that apes in movies is the one of the current uses of
> apes that has no justification. I don't have a problem with that,
> but with the decline of apes populations, would you consider that
to
> be a main focus of your efforts?
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler"
<sarahbaeckler@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, you're absolutely right. Chimps in the wild travel miles
and
> > miles, looking for food and engaging in social interactions,
etc.
> > When you put them in a cage, they literally have nothing to do.
> > They can't do their "job" so to speak. Many caring individuals
at
> > sanctuaries work hard to provide enrichment (magazines, books,
> > clothes, toys, branches, creative food boxes, etc) but to be
> honest,
> > nothing can replace what it would be like for them in the wild.
> It
> > profoundly affects them both physically and mentally. And in
> terms
> > of labs, that calls into serious question the validity of any
> > results they're coming up with.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > > I also visited Big Cat Rescue in Fla and was again pleasantly
> > surprised to
> > > find the same situation. Like the chimps, the big cats are
also
> > given enrichment
> > > activities for mental stimulation. This is what concerns me
> about
> > all
> > > animals in labs and especially primates. It is unnatural to be
> > confirmed in a cage
> > > without anything to do. Elaine <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25884 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlI'm wondering, since you mention "raising your own chimp" how chimps
do in cold / wintery climates?
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler" <sarahbaeckler@y...>
wrote:
>
> Sanctuaries can be wonderful. You're right that they should be in
> the wild, but it's pretty much impossible to re-introduce a chimp
> into the wild. They need to learn those skills from their mother
at
> an early age and if they don't there's no hope. So sanctuaries
are
> the next best thing.
>
> As far as starting one, it's quite a process! There are endless
> regulations and zoning issues to deal with. The USDA licenses
most
> facilities and to get a license you need to demonstrate experience
> and expertise in the species you're trying to care for. Most
states
> have their own regulations and permit processes too. And then
> there's the issue of money. To care for a group of 4 chimps for
the
> rest of their lives, it would cost more than a million dollars. I
> always encourage people who are thinking about starting a
sanctuary
> to go visit as many as possible first.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > It sounds like your organization has a full plate of issues to
> deal with
> > concerning the apes. I feel that sanctuaries are a good place
for
> chimps and other
> > apes who are rescued from roadside attractions(I know ideally
they
> should be
> > in their own natural habitat). If you were to start a
> sanctuary,how would you
> > begin the process? Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25885 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlI'm sure many lab scientists believe that their animals are well-
cared for. I guess it depends on how you define 'cared for.' If
they mean that they provide for their basic needs, including
shelter, water, food, etc., then that's one thing. But providing
for an animal's psychological well-being is a huge challenge, and
it's something that many lab scientists don't address. There are
some federal regulations for primates, but other animals are just
out of luck.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I am in a grad program in psychology and I just took a neuropsych
course. I
> couldn't believe it but the textbook we used actually stated that
most lab
> animals are well treated and cared for. And this is a recent
textbook! <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25886 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
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.html .html
Thanks for this info about starting a sanctuary. I wondered about the process. I think it would be great to start one here in New England where I live. Elaine<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25887 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlChimps do fine in cold climates. Obviously they evolved in a warmer
climate, but the chimps I worked with in grad school live in
Ellensburg, WA, where the winters are quite intense! They go out
and play with the snow sometimes. Some like it more than others,
just like humans.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> I'm wondering, since you mention "raising your own chimp" how
chimps
> do in cold / wintery climates?
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler"
<sarahbaeckler@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sanctuaries can be wonderful. You're right that they should be
in
> > the wild, but it's pretty much impossible to re-introduce a
chimp
> > into the wild. They need to learn those skills from their
mother
> at
> > an early age and if they don't there's no hope. So sanctuaries
> are
> > the next best thing.
> >
> > As far as starting one, it's quite a process! There are endless
> > regulations and zoning issues to deal with. The USDA licenses
> most
> > facilities and to get a license you need to demonstrate
experience
> > and expertise in the species you're trying to care for. Most
> states
> > have their own regulations and permit processes too. And then
> > there's the issue of money. To care for a group of 4 chimps for
> the
> > rest of their lives, it would cost more than a million dollars.
I
> > always encourage people who are thinking about starting a
> sanctuary
> > to go visit as many as possible first.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > > It sounds like your organization has a full plate of issues to
> > deal with
> > > concerning the apes. I feel that sanctuaries are a good place
> for
> > chimps and other
> > > apes who are rescued from roadside attractions(I know ideally
> they
> > should be
> > > in their own natural habitat). If you were to start a
> > sanctuary,how would you
> > > begin the process? Elaine <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25888 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
|
.html Please, members, feel free to post questions to Sarah. We encourage
your participation. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25889 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
|
.html .html
I find it interesting that Hollywood even uses live chimps anymore because anything can be computerized. The chimps that are needed could be developed on a computer like the dinosaurs in Jurassic park.
<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25890 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlThe biggest problem with CG and animatronics is cost. Hopefully
that will come down in the coming years, but right now it costs
about $500-$1000 a day to have a chimp on set, and sometimes $10,000
or more a day for an animatronic chimp. CG costs can go even higher
because it's so time consuming.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I find it interesting that Hollywood even uses live chimps anymore
because
> anything can be computerized. The chimps that are needed could be
developed on a
> computer like the dinosaurs in Jurassic park. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25891 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
.html.html
Are most of the major zoos in this country improving the conditions for chimps and other primates? <.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25892 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlYes, Elaine. The video mentions that, too. I'm interested in what
you said earlier, Sarah, about the use of chimps in Hollywood going
hand in hand with the awareness of shrinking chimp populations in
the wild.
Elaine asked specifically about Chubbs and what we could do to help
him, but it is a good question. It is likely that in our lifetime
we will see the extinction of several apes species. And, being just
one person, I really DON'T know what I can do to help. It's a big
issue. What can ONE person do to change the direction that the ball
is rolling in... the extinction of apes species? For some we are
very likely too late.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I find it interesting that Hollywood even uses live chimps anymore
because
> anything can be computerized. The chimps that are needed could be
developed on a
> computer like the dinosaurs in Jurassic park. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25893 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
.htmlThe CC doesn't take a position on zoos in general. There are many
AZA accredited zoos that have wonderful facilities, and there are
many unaccredited zoos that are awful. There's quite a range.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Are most of the major zoos in this country improving the
conditions for
> chimps and other primates? <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25894 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.htmlAwareness is a key issue. Spreading the word and making other
people aware is more helpful than most people think. The Jane
Goodall Institute website (www.janegoodall.org) has some helpful
ideas about what individuals can do. They have a group called Roots
and Shoots which targets kids and is a wonderful educational tool.
In terms of extinction, it's really about the next generation.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> Yes, Elaine. The video mentions that, too. I'm interested in
what
> you said earlier, Sarah, about the use of chimps in Hollywood
going
> hand in hand with the awareness of shrinking chimp populations in
> the wild.
>
> Elaine asked specifically about Chubbs and what we could do to
help
> him, but it is a good question. It is likely that in our lifetime
> we will see the extinction of several apes species. And, being
just
> one person, I really DON'T know what I can do to help. It's a big
> issue. What can ONE person do to change the direction that the
ball
> is rolling in... the extinction of apes species? For some we are
> very likely too late.
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > I find it interesting that Hollywood even uses live chimps
anymore
> because
> > anything can be computerized. The chimps that are needed could
be
> developed on a
> > computer like the dinosaurs in Jurassic park. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25895 |
From: sarahbaeckler |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Thanks |
|
.html I've got to get to a meeting, so will have to depart now. Thanks for
the chance to chat, and if there are more questions, please feel
free to post them. Helen, perhaps you can collect them and send
them to me and I'll get back to you soon.
Good luck with the rest of the takeover!
Best,
Sarah <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25896 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Fwd: Sarah needs to leave at 10:15. |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25897 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Thank you, Sarah. |
.htmlThanks so much for being here, Sarah. We hope to see you again
soon. I'll collect questions.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sarahbaeckler" <sarahbaeckler@y...>
wrote:
>
> I've got to get to a meeting, so will have to depart now. Thanks
for
> the chance to chat, and if there are more questions, please feel
> free to post them. Helen, perhaps you can collect them and send
> them to me and I'll get back to you soon.
>
> Good luck with the rest of the takeover!
>
> Best,
> Sarah <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25898 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast!! |
.htmlhi-
i may have said this before...
many thrift stores have old frames (and new ones, too).
you can remove the old picture and it will look great.
i have framed many things this way and i think they look great.
sometimes you can even find a matching pair of frames.
rob/ron
Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
Helen:
Because of the odd size of the poster (14 x 20) it can be a problem finding a frame. I got my frame from these people:
Cost me about $30 for a standard black metal frame, although I could have selected some cheaper options with regards to the plexiglass and such.
Greg
ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
Today I received an unexpected surprise from across the water and
down below. Inside a stripey tube (looked a lot like a Christmas candy from the Country Store) was a shiney, very professionally rendered poster of our beloved Gideon. It's beautiful, Neil! Thank
you for offering this to us. It's a treasure and I will take very good care of it until I can afford the frame!
Helen
go vegetarian!
<.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25899 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Song of the Day |
.html.html
Bad Humans (sung to the tune of Bad Boys by Inner Circle)
Bad Humans
Bad Humans
What ya gonna do when the apes come for you
Bad Humans
Bad Humans
You destroyed the world
And you think you're so great
The apes know better
And now it's too late
Bad Humans
Bad Humans
What ya gonna do when the apes come for you
They'll put you in cages
They'll hunt you down
Tomorrow is a new world
And you won't be around
You hunted the chimps
You destroyed the orangs
The gorillas are hostile
Feel the hunger pangs
Bad Humans
Bad Humans
What ya gonna do when the apes come for you
Banstand with Taebokitti <.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25900 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Song of the Day |
.htmlWe are in stitches at my house, Elaine. That's great! (Ominous,
but great!)
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Bad Humans (sung to the tune of Bad Boys by Inner Circle)
>
> Bad Humans
> Bad Humans
> What ya gonna do when the apes come for you
> Bad Humans
> Bad Humans
> You destroyed the world
> And you think you're so great
> The apes know better
> And now it's too late
> Bad Humans
> Bad Humans
> What ya gonna do when the apes come for you
> They'll put you in cages
> They'll hunt you down
> Tomorrow is a new world
> And you won't be around
> You hunted the chimps
> You destroyed the orangs
> The gorillas are hostile
> Feel the hunger pangs
> Bad Humans
> Bad Humans
> What ya gonna do when the apes come for you
>
> Banstand with Taebokitti <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25901 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Song of the Day |
|
.html .html
Glad the songs are being enjoyed. I am going offline now,got to go buy some groceries. Talk to later. Elaine<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25902 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25903 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Links to Jeffie |
.html.html
It was ME hon!
Now, HOW bad have you been?
Michelle
-----Original
Message-----
From: veetus@...
[veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 February 2005
2:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Links to
comics
Just out of curiousity, which DG lady tied me up? I hope they were
ruthless!
I've been a bad boy. - - - Jeff
--
<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25904 |
From: John |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
|
.html Just wanted to say that you ladies are doing a great job. I've had to
work so I've missed the guest that have been invited, but I've caught
up reading the post after the fact. Its good to see everyone having
fun with the group. I hope to catch everyone on later tonight. Oh,
and since I've been held hostage I hope you've forgotten all that
silly make the human eat the dog for amusement stuff. Ladies? um... I
was just messin' around. Who's Taco Bell dog is that? Can't ya take a
little joke? Guys? A little help here.... <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25905 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Links to Jeffie |
.html.html
All the ladies say that to Jeff!
Michelle
-----Original
Message-----
From: ape_mom
[sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 February 2005
2:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Links to
comics
·
We'd love to have you.
Helen
--
<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25906 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
.html.html
Hi Helen.
This reached me at
4:55am – I was asleep!
SORRY!
Michael
-----Original
Message-----
From: ape_mom
[sand_hill_school@...]
Sent:
Wednesday, 16 February 2005
4:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Please feel free
to post questions to Sarah...
Please,
members, feel free to post questions to Sarah. We encourage
your
participation.
--
<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25907 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Welcome Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory |
.html.html
I saw a chimp on a show recently and for
the first time ever (since being enlightened recently) I just switched off the
show.
If it were my call I’d just impose a
ban on monkeys and apes being used in film.
It is now no question that it is just a form of cruelty, and an extreme
one at that.
Michael
-----Original
Message-----
From: sarahbaeckler
[sarahbaeckler@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 February 2005
5:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome
Sarah Baeckler from Chimp Collaboratory
The
biggest problem with CG and animatronics is cost. Hopefully
that will
come down in the coming years, but right now it costs
about
$500-$1000 a day to have a chimp on set, and sometimes $10,000
or more a
day for an animatronic chimp. CG costs can go even higher
because it's
so time consuming.
--- In
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I find
it interesting that Hollywood even uses live chimps anymore
because
>
anything can be computerized. The chimps that are needed could be
developed on a
>
computer like the dinosaurs in Jurassic park.
--
<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25908 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> This is just a reminder to visit the homepage daily for
information about upcoming events and a glimpse into the minds of
the DGMarauders!
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG
-- This is all very nice and you ladies are doing a wonderful job.
One thing though, is the moderation really necessary?
It really makes it a pain posting and replying, also as you
moderators all seem to be in the US when you are all asleep and us
members on different time zones post or reply nothing goes through
for hours. I understand why you want to do it but it is very
frustrating.
Neil <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25909 |
From: kuiama1973@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
.htmlFrom: "Michael Whitty" _whitty@...
_
(mailto: whitty@...)
>I think they were more Communistic in Ape society and I don't think they
>HAD money, did they?
Hi Michael,
Well, the way I have always seen the Ape society is this.
They run on a status level, depending on what kind of species they are,
determines what kind of job they can do. They don't use money, they live on their
honour and their faith, but there are a lot of tasks that are too low for
them to do, so they make the humans do them.
Basically, without the humans doing all the menial horrible jobs, the
society would not survive, the Apes world would fall apart if the humans rebelled
again'st them.
So the Apes only work for survival basically, they don't work for money,
there is no economy in their society.
Yours Truly 2005,
Kuiama. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25910 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
.htmlThanks, Neil. We are having a great time and are delighted to be
here. Where do you keep the popcorn?
Elaine! Neil's online. You can ask him now how he cleans hot
chocolate out of his carpet. I say just pull up the carpet.
Kuiama! Would you put the dog out?
Never mind.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> -- This is all very nice and you ladies are doing a wonderful job.
>
> Neil <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25911 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: A Quick Rundown of the Week's Events... |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> We look forward to your participation and enthusiastically welcome
these guest posters.
You should be aware that refreshments will be served at these
events. Come armed with questions, and you could be a winner!
-- I don't suppose you could let us know when all these visitors
will be on the group in Australian time could you?
Neil <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25912 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
.htmlNeil: Maybe there is some way to use this to figure out what time
it is in Australia!
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Hi Helen.
>
> This reached me at 4:55am - I was asleep! SORRY!
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 February 2005 4:55 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Please feel free to post questions to Sarah...
>
>
> Please, members, feel free to post questions to Sarah. We
encourage
> your participation.
>
> --
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25913 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: A Quick Rundown of the Week's Events... |
.htmlSee my previous reply to an unrelated post, Neil. It's in there
somewhere.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > We look forward to your participation and enthusiastically
welcome
> these guest posters.
> You should be aware that refreshments will be served at these
> events. Come armed with questions, and you could be a winner!
>
> -- I don't suppose you could let us know when all these visitors
> will be on the group in Australian time could you?
>
> Neil <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25914 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Seriously, though... |
|
.html I knew of a site on the internet to compare times in different
zones. I will locate that site and do the best I can.
Helen <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25915 |
From: kuiama1973@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
.html
.html
I go for the even shorter look in the summer, I
can't stand long hair like Nova has!! That would drive me
nuts!!
I basically have a crew cut in the summer.
Luckily I have the rounded face that can carry this look off
well.
Yours Truly
2005,
Kuiama.
From:
"ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
Yes, LT, but I'm
surprised your thoughts took that spin. Definitely so.
Although, face shape takes a back seat to habit!! I have always been
a long hair hippy type person. If it takes more than a split second
to deal with, it just isn't for me. And that short hair natural look
actually takes a lot of work! Blow drying, etc. It just isn't
for me. Towel dry and go. Comb if you have a chance. If
not... so be it. Definitely the Nova look. (Except that they
had hairdressers and all the equipment and it probably actually took a lot
of work!)
Helen
<.html
<.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25916 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Please feel free to post questions to Sarah... |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>Neil: Maybe there is some way to use this to figure out what time
it is in Australia!
Helen
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
wrote:
> > Hi Helen.
> >
> > This reached me at 4:55am - I was asleep! SORRY!
-- I doubt it Whitty's on a different time from us up here in
Queensland, because they have daylight saving, we don't and it all
just gets too confusing just working out the different time zones in
this country without factoring in overseas times as well!!!!
Neil <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25917 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
|
.html Neil:
It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. It is 6:00 pm today here.
You seem to be 16 hours ahead of us -- if you go by Sydney
time. "Us" refers to Eastern time US. You would need to use
Eastern times listed with the event. I will try to post Sydney
times.
Does that help? Do you go by Sydney time? <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25918 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.htmlTry this:
http://www.timeanddate.com/
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> Neil:
>
> It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. It is 6:00 pm today here.
> You seem to be 16 hours ahead of us -- if you go by Sydney
> time. "Us" refers to Eastern time US. You would need to use
> Eastern times listed with the event. I will try to post Sydney
> times.
>
> Does that help? Do you go by Sydney time? <.html
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25919 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>Elaine! Neil's online. You can ask him now how he cleans hot
chocolate out of his carpet.
-- I have a simple method for those stubbon stains. You get a sharp
knife, cut out the piece of carpet with the stain on it and then
cover the hole with a piece of furniture. Works every time, though
the room can end up looking a bit odd after a few spills! ;-)
Neil <.html
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25920 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
.htmlYup. It does.
:))
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >Elaine! Neil's online. You can ask him now how he cleans hot
> chocolate out of his carpet.
>
> -- I have a simple method for those stubbon stains. You get a
sharp
> knife, cut out the piece of carpet with the stain on it and then
> cover the hole with a piece of furniture. Works every time, though
> the room can end up looking a bit odd after a few spills! ;-)
>
> Neil <.html
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25921 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive |
|
.html I have just been checking out the Sideshow web site and I see that
the 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive
figure' is listed as number 7 in their list of 10 most popular
products!
This really does suprise me and if a true indication of popularity
won't they just keep pumping out various 'different' Taylor
exclusives?
Neil <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25922 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>Does that help? Do you go by Sydney time?
-- Thanks Helen that does help a bit.
No we go by Queensland time which is an hour behind New South Wales
(Sydney) time. Which, by the way, is the time (NSW) that Whitty is
on even though Canberra is in the ACT (Australian Capitol
Territory)!!! ;-)
Neil <.html
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25923 |
From: Neil |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25924 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.htmlYou're welcome. Anytime.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > Try this: http://www.timeanddate.com/
>
> -- Thanks Helen!
>
> Neil <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25925 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive |
.html"Ick."
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
>
> I have just been checking out the Sideshow web site and I see that
> the 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive
> figure' is listed as number 7 in their list of 10 most popular
> products!
> This really does suprise me and if a true indication of popularity
> won't they just keep pumping out various 'different' Taylor
> exclusives?
>
> Neil <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25926 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.htmlIt's strange to think that it is tomorrow today in Australia because
of the International Date Line.
Kasey/Undomiel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> You're welcome. Anytime.
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Try this: http://www.timeanddate.com/
> >
> > -- Thanks Helen!
> >
> > Neil <.html
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25927 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.htmlYeah... and Christmas in the summer? And "they" are used to this?
Very strange.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hidalgo_girl05" <elfgirl_06@c...>
wrote:
>
> It's strange to think that it is tomorrow today in Australia
because
> of the International Date Line.
> Kasey/Undomiel
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > You're welcome. Anytime.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom"
<sand_hill_school@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Try this: http://www.timeanddate.com/
> > >
> > > -- Thanks Helen!
> > >
> > > Neil <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25928 |
From: Kasey Taylor Cooper |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.htmlNo wonder they are the way they are. ;)
Kasey/Undomiel
--- "ape_mom" < sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
From: "ape_mom" < sand_hill_school@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:01:48 -0000
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney.
Yeah... and Christmas in the summer? And "they" are used to
this?
Very strange.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hidalgo_girl05"
<elfgirl_06@c...>
wrote:
>
> It's strange to think that it is tomorrow today in Australia
because
> of the International Date Line.
> Kasey/Undomiel
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom"
<sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > You're welcome. Anytime.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom"
<sand_hill_school@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Try this: http://www.timeanddate.com/
> > >
> > > -- Thanks Helen!
> > >
> > > Neil
IFRAME:
http://view.atdmt.com/NFX/iview/yhxxxnfx0020000014nfx/direct/01
/&time=1108515711306843?click= http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129hb
pamf/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1705021437:HM/
EXP=1108602111/A=2532114/R=0/*
[&time=1108515711306843]
<.html
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|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25929 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.html.html
Hey, don’t call Neil a “they”
– he hates “us” Aussies! J
Michael
-----Original
Message-----
From: Kasey Taylor Cooper
[elfgirl_06@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 February 2005
12:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: It is
now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney.
No wonder they are the way
they are. ;)
Kasey/Undomiel
---
"ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
From:
"ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
Date: Wed,
16 Feb 2005 01:01:48 -0000
To:
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[PotaDG] Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney.
Yeah...
and Christmas in the summer? And "they" are used to
this?
Very
strange.
Helen
--
<.html <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25930 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
.htmlMy apologies. :-)
Kasey
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Hey, don't call Neil a "they" - he hates "us" Aussies! :-)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kasey Taylor Cooper [elfgirl_06@c...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 February 2005 12:11 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney.
>
> No wonder they are the way they are. ;)
>
> Kasey/Undomiel
>
>
> --- "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:01:48 -0000
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney.
> Yeah... and Christmas in the summer? And "they" are used to
> this?
> Very strange.
> Helen
>
> --
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25931 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive |
.htmlThey should break out some Ape-O-Nauts already, they have enough
Taylors. Though I can understand trying to milk the Heston license
while it lasts..but still.
Side note, I got Cornelius as a late birthday gift yesterday, he's
really great despite the costume/facial flaws. Eventually I'd like to
touch up the face paint and bring him closer to the prototype version.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/corneliuss.jpg
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
>
> I have just been checking out the Sideshow web site and I see that
> the 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes Taylor - Sideshow Exclusive
> figure' is listed as number 7 in their list of 10 most popular
> products!
> This really does suprise me and if a true indication of popularity
> won't they just keep pumping out various 'different' Taylor
> exclusives?
>
> Neil <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25932 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Reminder to visit the homepage daily... |
|
.html .html
Do I want to know how Neil cleans hot chocolate out of his carpet? Elaine<.html <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25933 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25934 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
.htmlThis is good, Elaine! I like it and it made me smile... :)
Kasey/Undomiel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
> group.
>
> File : /Malachi the Marauder
> Uploaded by : taebokitti <taebokitti@a...>
> Description : A young gorilla soldier goes on his first hunt.
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Malachi%20the%
20Marauder
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
>
> Regards,
>
> taebokitti <taebokitti@a...> <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25936 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
.htmlI would've posted this anyway, but it's actually fitting that the
Ladies have taken over just in time for this.
Here's some art I did.. It was for Art.com's Frida Kahlo contest, but
since I heard about it five days before the deadline, and because
their online submission system sucks, it was never entered. This
isn't the first Frida art I've done, but it is the first Frida piece
that includes Cornelius!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/04ab0d3d.jpg
Babbling rant:
I'm a fan of Frida's work (and Apes), and since we're having the
DGMarauders theme, Frida's perfect since she was an adopted icon of
feminism. I disagree with the "Queen of Pain" label people have given
her, because it seems to define her in negative terms. Passion and
endurance still counts for something, even if she wasn't totally
idealic in all aspects of her life. Either way I prefer portraying her
in a more positive, warm light. And Cornelius is added to boot,
because it just felt right at the time. Enjoy!
Mike <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25937 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
.htmlYou did that? Wow, I'm impressed. Both of those are quite good.
Kasey/Undomiel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
> I would've posted this anyway, but it's actually fitting that the
> Ladies have taken over just in time for this.
>
> Here's some art I did.. It was for Art.com's Frida Kahlo contest,
but
> since I heard about it five days before the deadline, and because
> their online submission system sucks, it was never entered. This
> isn't the first Frida art I've done, but it is the first Frida
piece
> that includes Cornelius!
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/04ab0d3d.jpg
>
> Babbling rant:
> I'm a fan of Frida's work (and Apes), and since we're having the
> DGMarauders theme, Frida's perfect since she was an adopted icon of
> feminism. I disagree with the "Queen of Pain" label people have
given
> her, because it seems to define her in negative terms. Passion and
> endurance still counts for something, even if she wasn't totally
> idealic in all aspects of her life. Either way I prefer portraying
her
> in a more positive, warm light. And Cornelius is added to boot,
> because it just felt right at the time. Enjoy!
>
> Mike <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25938 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG |
|
.html .html
Since we named the Sideshow marauder, I thought there should be a story about him. Glad you like it. Elaine<.html <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25939 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
.htmlI'm impressed. That's beautiful! Not just the drawing, but the
colors, too. It's an honor to the DGMarauders that you submitted
that the way you did. Thank you for sharing that with us.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
> I would've posted this anyway, but it's actually fitting that the
> Ladies have taken over just in time for this.
>
> Here's some art I did.. It was for Art.com's Frida Kahlo contest,
but
> since I heard about it five days before the deadline, and because
> their online submission system sucks, it was never entered. This
> isn't the first Frida art I've done, but it is the first Frida
piece
> that includes Cornelius!
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/04ab0d3d.jpg
>
> Babbling rant:
> I'm a fan of Frida's work (and Apes), and since we're having the
> DGMarauders theme, Frida's perfect since she was an adopted icon of
> feminism. I disagree with the "Queen of Pain" label people have
given
> her, because it seems to define her in negative terms. Passion and
> endurance still counts for something, even if she wasn't totally
> idealic in all aspects of her life. Either way I prefer portraying
her
> in a more positive, warm light. And Cornelius is added to boot,
> because it just felt right at the time. Enjoy!
>
> Mike <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25940 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
.htmlJust out of curiosity, what is a Frida Kahlo?
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
> I would've posted this anyway, but it's actually fitting that the
> Ladies have taken over just in time for this.
>
> Here's some art I did.. It was for Art.com's Frida Kahlo contest,
but
> since I heard about it five days before the deadline, and because
> their online submission system sucks, it was never entered. This
> isn't the first Frida art I've done, but it is the first Frida
piece
> that includes Cornelius!
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/04ab0d3d.jpg
>
> Babbling rant:
> I'm a fan of Frida's work (and Apes), and since we're having the
> DGMarauders theme, Frida's perfect since she was an adopted icon of
> feminism. I disagree with the "Queen of Pain" label people have
given
> her, because it seems to define her in negative terms. Passion and
> endurance still counts for something, even if she wasn't totally
> idealic in all aspects of her life. Either way I prefer portraying
her
> in a more positive, warm light. And Cornelius is added to boot,
> because it just felt right at the time. Enjoy!
>
> Mike <.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25941 |
From: Kasey Taylor Cooper |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
.htmlI was wondering that too. And yes, thank you so much for sharing you art with us.
Kasey/Undomiel
Ps. Did Michelle ever show up or are we still waiting?
--- "ape_mom" < sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
From: "ape_mom" < sand_hill_school@...>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:28:40 -0000
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution
here, and all Ape fans
Just out of curiosity, what is a Frida Kahlo?
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
> I would've posted this anyway, but it's actually fitting that
the
> Ladies have taken over just in time for this.
>
> Here's some art I did.. It was for Art.com's Frida Kahlo
contest,
but
> since I heard about it five days before the deadline, and
because
> their online submission system sucks, it was never entered.
This
> isn't the first Frida art I've done, but it is the first
Frida
piece
> that includes Cornelius!
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/04ab0d3d.jpg
>
> Babbling rant:
> I'm a fan of Frida's work (and Apes), and since we're having
the
> DGMarauders theme, Frida's perfect since she was an adopted
icon of
> feminism. I disagree with the "Queen of Pain" label people
have
given
> her, because it seems to define her in negative terms.
Passion and
> endurance still counts for something, even if she wasn't
totally
> idealic in all aspects of her life. Either way I prefer
portraying
her
> in a more positive, warm light. And Cornelius is added to
boot,
> because it just felt right at the time. Enjoy!
>
> Mike
IFRAME:
http://view.atdmt.com/NFX/iview/yhxxxnfx0020000014nfx/direct/01
/&time=1108528123795286?click=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129u8
flh2/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1705021437:HM/
EXP=1108614523/A=2532114/R=0/*
[&time=1108528123795286]
<.html
|
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 25942 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
.html.html .html
In a message dated 2/15/2005 4:34:28 PM Central Standard Time, kuiama1973@... writes:
They run on a status level, depending on what kind of species they are,
determines what kind of job they can do. They don't use money, they live on their
honour and their faith, but there are a lot of tasks that are too low for
them to do, so they make the humans do them.
They don't use money huh? Then I suppose they buy all their goods by being "honorable"? That's ridiculous... In the TV series alone they mention monetary terms in "The Good Seeds"... (Anto
mentions reward money so he can BUY a bull calf, and the Gorilla Patroller says to him "You couldn't afford to BUY one" <a human slave that is> If they aren't talking about some sort of money,
then what are they talking about? True, at the time of the TV series, they have humans to do most of their menial labor, but what about in the year 3978 when humans are dumb brutes? They have the Gorillas to do the back
breaking work, and I am sure some Chimps are still involved in at least the agricultural aspects... Which leads us to money in the year 3978, which they have to have, or else how could Cornelius "be up for a
raise"? If his raise wouldn't be monetary, what would it be? Honor? I don't think so... There are rich apes and poor apes, and it is money, land, horses, and humans the seperate the wealthy from the poor,
not honor and faith... A poor ape can be just as "faithful" but not have the worldly possessions to show it...
Basically, without the humans doing all the menial horrible jobs, the
society would not survive, the Apes world would fall apart if the humans rebelled
again'st them.
They do rely on human labor, no doubt about that... But it's more of a convenience for them to use the lower species than an absolute neccessity... They do just fine without humans in the time of PLANET/BENEATH...
The APES world would not "fall apart" if humans weren't there to labor for them... The reason the higher up Apes fear the astronauts and intelligence in humans is because a few DO know what happened in the
past, and they fear humanity regaining their position and technology and destroying the world!
So the Apes only work for survival basically, they don't work for money,
there is no economy in their society.
There is too an economy in their society... It has the "haves" and the "have nots"... There has to be an economy for their to be the differences in wealth. If there was no rich and poor, then every
ape would own humans and horses and lots of land, all of which would be there whenever they need it, but that's not the case... Not all apes do own slaves, some are just scraping to get by with the little they
have... Others own large plantations, and they are the rich ones... They're not rich or poor due to their faith and honor, they're rich or poor due to their status and their WEALTH (i.e. MONEY)
<.html
<.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25943 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
.htmlWell, I don't know. Michelle, if you see this, feel free to join us
in harried random posts. We love you and welcome you to the group.
I'm headed to bed now. I definitely need some sleep! ;)
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Kasey Taylor Cooper <elfgirl_06@c...>
wrote:
> I was wondering that too. And yes, thank you so much for sharing
you art with us.
>
> Kasey/Undomiel
> Ps. Did Michelle ever show up or are we still waiting?
>
> --- "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:28:40 -0000
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution
> here, and all Ape fans
> Just out of curiosity, what is a Frida Kahlo?
> Helen
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I would've posted this anyway, but it's actually fitting that
> the
> > Ladies have taken over just in time for this.
> >
> > Here's some art I did.. It was for Art.com's Frida Kahlo
> contest,
> but
> > since I heard about it five days before the deadline, and
> because
> > their online submission system sucks, it was never entered.
> This
> > isn't the first Frida art I've done, but it is the first
> Frida
> piece
> > that includes Cornelius!
> > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/04ab0d3d.jpg
> >
> > Babbling rant:
> > I'm a fan of Frida's work (and Apes), and since we're having
> the
> > DGMarauders theme, Frida's perfect since she was an adopted
> icon of
> > feminism. I disagree with the "Queen of Pain" label people
> have
> given
> > her, because it seems to define her in negative terms.
> Passion and
> > endurance still counts for something, even if she wasn't
> totally
> > idealic in all aspects of her life. Either way I prefer
> portraying
> her
> > in a more positive, warm light. And Cornelius is added to
> boot,
> > because it just felt right at the time. Enjoy!
> >
> > Mike
>
>
>
>
> IFRAME:
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Message: 25944 |
From: Mike |
Date: 2/15/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Some art for the Ladies Ape revolution here, and all Ape fans |
.htmlThanks all!
Helen,
Frida Kahlo was a Mexican artist during the early middle years of last
century. She's had a infamous history of physical hardship, like
having polio, and being in a severe bus wreck early on in her life.
She was very nationalistic and political (..and very Communist). Same
with her husband Diego Rivera, who was a popular muralist at the time.
Her work was more personal, his was more political/social, and they
were big supporters of eachother's work. Despite them both having
affairs at times.
(Diego's the man she's painting in that image I posted. And actually
that Diego portrait is taken directly from her own portrait of him. He
actually did look sort've frog-like in real life.)
Mike
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
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> Just out of curiosity, what is a Frida Kahlo?
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25945 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: It is now 10:00 am tomorrow in Sydney. |
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In a message dated 2/15/2005 6:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
elfgirl_06@... writes:
It's
strange to think that it is tomorrow today in Australia because of the
International Date Line.
It is strange, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
Just imagine if you didn't count the revolutions of the Earth.
You wouldn't know how many spins per year. One year
blur into the next. Then how would you know the date?
It could be thirty-nine fifty . . . something.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25946 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: A Quick Rundown of the Week's Events... |
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.html Today, Wednesday, 12:00Noon Eastern: Robin Dickson, daughter of Roy
Kabat (animal furnisher, Escape) will be with us to talk about
growing up at JungleLand and about the work that her father did
establishing the world's first hearing dog program, Dogs for the
Deaf. Robin's dad also furnished animals for Dr. Dolittle, and Robin
has additional information to share with us about that!
Thursday, 7:00pm Eastern: Kass and Theresa, fan fiction writers and
aficionados will be with us to discuss Pota Fanfic. We are looking
forward to welcoming them to the forum.
All of these round table forums are scheduled to take place on the
regular board, but we will consider moving to chat if Yahoo is slow
of if there are problems hosting in this arena. We look forward to
your participation and enthusiastically welcome these guest posters.
You should be aware that refreshments will be served at these
events. Come armed with questions, and you could be a winner!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25947 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Homepage Thanks... |
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.html Our daily homepages were all constructed by the ladies you know from
the PotaDG who have spent hours looking through the National
Geographics and Life Magazines, cutting and pasting pictures onto
drugstore posterboard, and sprinkling pixie dust to create these
beautiful posters. What a talented group of women have contributed
to the new look of the DG homepage. Many thanks, Marauders! You're
looking good!
(Today's homepage picture is courtesy of Markrkkid. Thank you, Mark
for sharing this with us. Wow!!)
Helen <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25948 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Homepage Thanks... |
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Message: 25949 |
From: kuiama1973@aol.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Love the homepage!!!!!!!!!! |
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Wow!!
What an awesome Homepage!! "Ladies Of The
Apes"!!!!!!!! I like it!!!!!!!!
Did'nt know I was a Lady though!!!!!!!!!!
Lol!!!!!!!!!!
So you Men are slinking away and joining forces
with us Women then!!!!!!!! COOL!!!!!!!! 
Yours Truly
2005,
Kuiama.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25950 |
From: Dario |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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That's an awesome paper model Mike and I do hope you get to distribute
the plans.
I got into paper modeling a few years ago when a friend took to it and
actually started desiging creations of his of his own after making tons
of models readily available. His are mostly spaceships and robots, but
the 'boxlike' shape of yours is very close to the box robots plans out
there. As I found out, creating some of these plans from scratch is
not that simple. (I was 'beta' testing his models at one point).
The good news is that if your source will not allow distribution and
you would rather not release you modified plans based on his original
prototype, then maybe, just maybe I can convince my friend to make a
Ape model himself. He is in fact an artist, so it won't be cheap
imitation. But there is one catch with some of my friends work. While
he does not charge for any of his models, he will sometimes create both
low resolution and high resolution versions. Then he makes the low res
versions free to download and then asks people to contribute to any
charity of their choice to be able to get the high res versions. Once
he receives a copy of the receipt proving you've made a contribution,
he provides the online access code to download the high res versions.
The concept is called 'donationware'.
I can't seem to find a link to his site, but I'll try to get back and
post it.
Dario
Mike wrote:
I mentioned I was making this some time ago, and he's done but needs
some minor tweaking.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/2ce01b01.jpg
There is one BIG issue though. The artwork is all mine, but the
template I worked from is taken from Nerfect.com's robot model. (Along
with some changes in the model's dimensions on my part)
--
NTsig
Dario Sciola
SDM/CBM Design
Nortel Networks
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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darios@...
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ESN: 393-5232
YIM: lmcdasc
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Did
you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac?
He was up all night wondering
if there really was a dog!
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25951 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
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.html That's amazing! Who would have thought someone would think of
something like that? Do get back with more information. Great
picture!
Helen <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25952 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: The Issue of Forced Labor |
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My guess is that the apes use money because the tv show does portray apes at different economic levels. I personally do not see the tv show in the same universe as the movies, human slave labor plays a different
role in the economic structure of their society. It is true, in the movies, the gorillas seem to be the ones doing the hard labor type work. Elaine <.html <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25953 |
From: patrickmichaeltilton |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Ape money |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, kuiama1973@a... wrote:
> From: "Michael Whitty" _whitty@c..._
> (mailto:whitty@c...)
>
> >I think they were more Communistic in Ape society and I don't
think they HAD money, did they?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Hi Michael,
>
> Well, the way I have always seen the Ape society is this.
>
> They run on a status level, depending on what kind of species they
are, determines what kind of job they can do. They don't use money,
they live on their honour and their faith, but there are a lot of
tasks that are too low for them to do, so they make the humans do
them.
>
> Basically, without the humans doing all the menial horrible jobs,
the society would not survive, the Apes world would fall apart if the
humans rebelled against them.
>
> So the Apes only work for survival basically, they don't work for
money, there is no economy in their society.
>
> Yours Truly 2005,
>
> Kuiama.
===============================================================
*** Cougar has already mentioned the main pieces of evidence
regarding the monetary system in use in POTA -- Cornelius being "up
for a raise", etc -- but there's also the matter of the bets Urko
insists on, mentioned in "THE HORSE RACE". That episode opens with a
horse race in progress, and an unhappy chimpanzee prefect complaining
that Urko insists on the race... makes the arrangements... demands
the bet. And the wager, in this case, involves HALF the prefect's
horses and HALF his land bet on the outcome. We don't know how much
Urko is putting on the table -- though, since he LOSES this race (due
to his racing horse throwing a shoe), we should wonder how much this
surprisingly lucky chimp prefect may have gained with his win.
Did Urko have to give up half his horses, and half his lands to this
prefect? Or, was the race declared null-and-void, due to the shoddy
blacksmith work? Urko is clearly peeved, since he threatens to kill
not only the next blacksmith but also his gorilla henchape, Zandar,
if Urko's horse should lose the next race at Venta! This seems to
indicate that Urko did indeed lose not only the race, but also some
substantial wager, be it horses and/or land.
In the Effinger novelization, there's mention of a "money pouch" that
Zandar checks during that first race (page 88). Presumably, the money
in question is in the form of coins, probably of gold or silver.
You just can't have gambling without some kind of valuable commodity
being wagered. Some things, like HORSES and LAND can be wagered.
Barlow has to wager ALL his horses and ALL his lands in the race
against Urko's horse, due to the fact that he's using a human jockey
in the race -- Urko talks him into raising the stakes.
But there also has to be a more fluid currency than Horses and Land.
There's the grain grown by the farmers -- both ape and human. There's
also the matter of the money to be paid to the human assassin Aboro
hires to kill Urko: in "THE TYRANT" (this from Effinger's
novelization), when Burke impersonates the assassin, Aboro asks
him, "He told you the price?"
"Yes," said Burke in a sullen voice. "He said I would be well paid,
AFTER."
"Have no worries on that account," said Aboro. "Let's make the
arrangement now, if it worries you. Fifty kilos of gold and safe
passage to another village." etc.
There's also the matter of set-up that Galen (as Octavio) suggests to
Aboro, in order to get Urko out-of-the-way. In order to get Urko
removed from the High Council, it's suggested that Zaius could have
it done if Urko were to be found to be corrupt -- to have succumbed
to bribery. Aboro's aide, Daku, mentions that Urko's assistant
(Bulta) accepts bribes. On page 35 of the script for "THE TYRANT",
Galen asks: "Can you prove Urko knows about that?"
ABORO: "He didn't."
GALEN: "Then that's no help. But let us suppose there exists
incriminating evidence in Urko's home... such as contraband gold. We
have only to prove a connection between the gold and some corrupt
act..."
I think this clinches it that the Apes do use GOLD as a form of
money. They might use silver, too, but gold would probably be worth
more to them, just as it does for our society.
In "PLANET", Lucius complains about "money-mad grown-ups" who'll want
to put Taylor, the Talking Human, in a circus rather than in a public
zoo, so that apes will have to PAY for what they rightfully--
"Sto-o-op making speeches and show me the order!"
The apes use money, Kuiama. In specific, GOLD, probably in the form
of coin.
Patrick <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25954 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Song of the Day |
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This is a tune Zira is singing while she is in the spaceship going back in time to earth.
On The Earth Again (sung to On The Road Again by Willie Nelson)
On the Earth again
I can't wait to get on the Earth again
Up here with my simian mate
I can't wait to get on the Earth again
On the Earth again
I can't wait to get on the Earth again
Low gravity's making my uterus droop
Soon I'll be cleaning baby chimp poop
I can't wait to get on the Earth again
Dr Zaius is a fool
He should let humans and apes rule
But oh noooooo
So here we are in space
With a billion light years to go
I can't wait to get on teh Earth again!
Bandstand with Taebokitti
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25955 |
From: dg_guest |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> That's amazing! Who would have thought someone would think of
> something like that? Do get back with more information. Great
> picture!
>
> Helen
Hi Helen, It's Robin, I am here.
Robin <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25956 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Soon we will be talking with Robin Dickson... |
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.html Robin is the daughter of Roy Kabat, the animal furnisher for Escape
from the Planet of the Apes and Dr. Dolittle, among other films.
Mr. Kabat worked with American Humane to establish the first hearing
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25957 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
.htmlHi Robin. You beat me! Welcome to the PotaDG! We're looking
forward to learning more about the hearing dog program, Dogs for the
Deaf. First, could you give us a little of your own personal
history. You are the daughter of a man I worked hard to find... the
man who furnished the animals for Escape from the Planet of the Apes.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "dg_guest" <dg_guest@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > That's amazing! Who would have thought someone would think of
> > something like that? Do get back with more information. Great
> > picture!
> >
> > Helen
>
> Hi Helen, It's Robin, I am here.
>
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25958 |
From: dg_guest |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Cornelius Paper Model...almost there (advice?) |
.htmlHi Helen, I am here. This didn't sound like the message welcoming
me, but I thought I would reply anyway and let you know I was here.
Robin
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> That's amazing! Who would have thought someone would think of
> something like that? Do get back with more information. Great
> picture!
>
> Helen <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25959 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Hi Robin!! |
.htmlThere is a more proper welcome! You must not have much trouble
finding us! You got here before I did.
The kids are here with me. They all say "hi."
I posted a message a couple minutes ago. Did you find that? Should
I post it again? We can start from here if you like.
Helen
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "dg_guest" <dg_guest@y...> wrote:
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>
>
>
> Hi Helen, I am here. This didn't sound like the message welcoming
> me, but I thought I would reply anyway and let you know I was here.
>
> Robin
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 25960 |
From: hidalgo_girl05 |
Date: 2/16/2005 |
| Subject: Re: Hi Robin!! |
.htmlYes, hello and welcome to the PotA DG. We're all thrilled to have
you as a guest.
Kasey/Undomiel
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
>
> There is a more proper welcome! You must not have much trouble
> finding us! You got here before I did.
>
> The kids are here with me. They all say "hi."
>
> I posted a message a couple minutes ago. Did you find that?
Should
> I post it again? We can start from here if you like.
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "dg_guest" <dg_guest@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Helen, I am here. This didn't sound like the message
welcoming
> > me, but I thought I would reply anyway and let you know I was
here.
> >
> > Robin
> > <.html
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