----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior


> In a message dated 6/18/2002 11:14:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> mlccougar@... writes:
>
> > >> His love of cheesy movies always wins out. Etc.
> > The APES movies aren't cheesy.
>
> "Ya know, dogs love cheese."
>
> Loren Green said that. Of course he only had one nipple when he said it.
An
> alligator bit it off while he was filming Loren Green's Wild World. I
wonder
> how you let a gator get near your nipple? But if you think that's weird,
> think on this. On Bonanza, Dan Blocker, who played his son Hoss, was
older
> than he was!
>

 Fantastic! Looking forward to seeing those very much. Great job! :o)))

ThyPentacle

P.S. I think I love you.

  Calima 5021 <calima5021com@...> wrote:

Just ran a test tonight and everything seems to working just fine.
Episode 1 was captured at 525 megs in Super VCD format, good sound and
picture, and no delays on audio.
7 episodes will be in disc 1 and 6 episodes in disc 2.

I'll have both DVDs ready by this weekend with captured pics to show to the
group, and ready to ship during the coming week.
Jeff's DVD will be ready in July.

Best.
Al

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  LordTZer0@... wrote:

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Hey,
> Did anybody else bother to see "Windtalkers" last weekend? I did.
Anyway,
> the rock pool from PLANET (and countless other Fox movies) makes an
> appearance in a scene in "Windtalkers." It's still there in Malibu
Creek
> State Park and it still looks pretty much the same. (By the way, I
didn't
> like "Windtalkers." Too much war action. It got ridiculous.)
>
> -- Rory (aka The Missing Link)

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Hatch of the Ship


> The ship never sank....what Taylor, Landon and Dodge saw was just an
illusion
> created by the mutants in order to confuse them. So what Milo and the
chimps
> eventually found was a fully intact and workable ship.
>
> I'll tell ya what happened, 'cause I was there, so I know. As the Icarus
> sank it inverted. And air pocket protected the water sensitive systems
from
> shorting out. Some of the oxygen cylinders had bad seals on them. And
when
> the ship reached a certain depth the cold and pressure were too much for
the
> valves and they burst, driving most of the water out the hatch. The
> resulting explosion caused the spare life raft to inflate, plugging the
> hatch. As the ship rose, it righted itself and drifted ashore, where it
was
> found by Dr. Milo et al. QED
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:19 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Still There.

Hey,
Did anybody else bother to see "Windtalkers" last weekend?  I did.  Anyway, the rock pool from PLANET (and countless other Fox movies) makes an appearance in a scene in "Windtalkers."  It's still there in Malibu Creek State Park and it still looks pretty much the same.  (By the way, I didn't like "Windtalkers."  Too much war action.  It got ridiculous.)

-- Rory  (aka The Missing Link)

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From: thypentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Green Light on Ape Toons.

 Fantastic! Looking forward to seeing those very much. Great job! :o)))

ThyPentacle

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  Calima 5021 <calima5021com@...> wrote:

Just ran a test tonight and everything seems to working just fine.
Episode 1 was captured at 525 megs in Super VCD format, good sound and
picture, and no delays on audio.
7 episodes will be in disc 1 and 6 episodes in disc 2.

I'll have both DVDs ready by this weekend with captured pics to show to the
group, and ready to ship during the coming week.
Jeff's DVD will be ready in July.

Best.
Al

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  veetus@... wrote:

 Whoa, hold on there. Alex isn't even a chimp. Etc.  - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: thypentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Green Light on Ape Toons.

 Fantastic! Looking forward to seeing those very much. Great job! :o)))

ThyPentacle

P.S. I think I love you.

  Calima 5021 <calima5021com@...> wrote:

Just ran a test tonight and everything seems to working just fine.
Episode 1 was captured at 525 megs in Super VCD format, good sound and
picture, and no delays on audio.
7 episodes will be in disc 1 and 6 episodes in disc 2.

I'll have both DVDs ready by this weekend with captured pics to show to the
group, and ready to ship during the coming week.
Jeff's DVD will be ready in July.

Best.
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>Just ran a test tonight and everything seems to working just fine.

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/19/2002 10:07:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> MTotsky@a... writes:
>
>
> >
> > The ship never sank....what Taylor, Landon and Dodge saw was
just an
> > illusion created by the mutants in order to confuse them. So
what Milo and
> > the chimps eventually found was a fully intact and workable ship.
> >
> > Well that's the way I would unflub it anyways...
> >
> >
>
> Are you being serious or sarcastic?

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:42 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Hatch of the Ship (OT)


> As soon as we get the ship thing settled will someone tell me what
> the hell happened to Chuck Cunningham!!!
>
> --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 6/19/2002 10:07:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> > MTotsky@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The ship never sank....what Taylor, Landon and Dodge saw was
> just an
> > > illusion created by the mutants in order to confuse them. So
> what Milo and
> > > the chimps eventually found was a fully intact and workable ship.
> > >
> > > Well that's the way I would unflub it anyways...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Are you being serious or sarcastic?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:42 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Hatch of the Ship (OT)


> As soon as we get the ship thing settled will someone tell me what
> the hell happened to Chuck Cunningham!!!
>
> --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 6/19/2002 10:07:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> > MTotsky@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The ship never sank....what Taylor, Landon and Dodge saw was
> just an
> > > illusion created by the mutants in order to confuse them. So
> what Milo and
> > > the chimps eventually found was a fully intact and workable ship.
> > >
> > > Well that's the way I would unflub it anyways...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Are you being serious or sarcastic?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> As soon as we get the ship thing settled will someone tell me what
> the hell happened to Chuck Cunningham!!!
>
> --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 6/19/2002 10:07:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> > MTotsky@a... writes:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The ship never sank....what Taylor, Landon and Dodge saw was
> just an
> > > illusion created by the mutants in order to confuse them. So
> what Milo and
> > > the chimps eventually found was a fully intact and workable

> > >
> > > Well that's the way I would unflub it anyways...
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Are you being serious or sarcastic?
>
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Hatch of the Ship (OT)


> I would if I had any idea what you were talking about.
>
> Michael
>
> --- "james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> > As soon as we get the ship thing settled will someone tell me what
> > the hell happened to Chuck Cunningham!!!
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 6/19/2002 10:07:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > MTotsky@a... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The ship never sank....what Taylor, Landon and Dodge saw was
> > just an
> > > > illusion created by the mutants in order to confuse them. So
> > what Milo and
> > > > the chimps eventually found was a fully intact and workable
> ship.
> > > >
> > > > Well that's the way I would unflub it anyways...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:28 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]


>
> For those interested in a DVD set that may not see the light of day for
> years. Get them while there hot. I have a version of these and they turely
> are 100% DVD quality. Pretty amazing.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1544532135
>
> Best.
> Al
>
> _____

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Hatch of the Ship (OT)


> The ship is the ship. I suggest we choose ANOTHER dead horse to pick on
> for a while. ;) Does anyone else here do any Apes costuming or prop
> building? This could be a good topic, I believe. But of course, I've been
> doing Sci-Fi/Fantasy costuming since 1979.
> Gristle P.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 10:42 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Hatch of the Ship (OT)
>
>
> > As soon as we get the ship thing settled will someone tell me what
> > the hell happened to Chuck Cunningham!!!
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 6/19/2002 10:07:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > MTotsky@a... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The ship never sank....what Taylor, Landon and Dodge saw was
> > just an
> > > > illusion created by the mutants in order to confuse them. So
> > what Milo and
> > > > the chimps eventually found was a fully intact and workable ship.
> > > >
> > > > Well that's the way I would unflub it anyways...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Are you being serious or sarcastic?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 17:03
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]

For those interested in a DVD set that may not see the light of day for years

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>I know what you mean the Taylor's dogtags really irritate me. I bet
>everyone has one mistake that really bugs them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 23:28
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]

In a message dated 6/20/02 7:49:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Just on the topic, I have been assured by an expert in hi-fi that there are many different levels of DVD player sound quality output.  Someone recently said that it is all digital output so that would not matter.  That is not the case.  A cheap DVD player will put out cheap sound, albeit through 5 or 6 speakers.

It has something to do with bit rates.  To get good sound from a DVD player you have to have a sound processor that decodes the Dolby Digital 5.1 sound, or the better DTS sound.  To my ears DTS is only slightly better than DD 5.1, but both are pretty good and of course much better than VHS HiFi Dolby surround.  However, if you like what you're are hearing if you only have Dolby Surround, then fine.  Be happy with what you have.  That's the best way to live.

--Rory

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> >I know what you mean the Taylor's dogtags really irritate me. I
bet
> >everyone has one mistake that really bugs them.
>
> I had to think about it but what bugs me the most on POTA is the
inconsistant
> timeline given by Cornelius in ESCAPE. On the one hand he says
that
> apes spoke English for 2000 years and later he says they took
several centuries
> to articulate. The thing that bugs me is that the inconsistancy
is not
> between movies but in the same movie. Why didn't Roddy McDowall
catch
> this? Did he even care? I'll have to go with James explanation
that
> Cornelius wasn't telling the truth on one of them.
>
> -Tom
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me


> >I know what you mean the Taylor's dogtags really irritate me. I bet
> >everyone has one mistake that really bugs them.
>
> I had to think about it but what bugs me the most on POTA is the
inconsistant
> timeline given by Cornelius in ESCAPE. On the one hand he says that
> apes spoke English for 2000 years and later he says they took several
centuries
> to articulate. The thing that bugs me is that the inconsistancy is not
> between movies but in the same movie. Why didn't Roddy McDowall catch
> this? Did he even care? I'll have to go with James explanation that
> Cornelius wasn't telling the truth on one of them.
>
> -Tom
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]

If Alex says they are good quality then I'm sure they are, put personally my VHS tapes sound almost DVD quality anyway (as they do when you pay a lot for your VCR and surround amplifier/speakers).

How good could they be, unless they had access to masters.  It's not unheard of.  A German group that had access to Brian Wilson's studio made remixes from dubs from the masters of Smile.
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> They looked like official releases. Were they released outside

> Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]
>
>
>
>
> If Alex says they are good quality then I'm sure they are, put

> ly my VHS tapes sound almost DVD quality anyway (as they do when

> lot for your VCR and surround amplifier/speakers).
>
>
> How good could they be, unless they had access to masters. It's

> ard of. A German group that had access to Brian Wilson's studio

> es from dubs from the masters of Smile.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:47 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]

Well there is no way these are official 20th Century Fox release - they are waiting to release these Episodes until Episode 3 hits DVD and they will have even more scenes added to Ep 4, 5 and 6.

 

If Alex says they are good quality then I'm sure they are, put personally my VHS tapes sound almost DVD quality anyway (as they do when you pay a lot for your VCR and surround amplifier/speakers).  So I guess the only advantage would be skipping chapters and that means very little to me.

 

Just on the topic, I have been assured by an expert in hi-fi that there are many different levels of DVD player sound quality output.  Someone recently said that it is all digital output so that would not matter.  That is not the case.  A cheap DVD player will put out cheap sound, albeit through 5 or 6 speakers.

 

Hey Alex, do these really have subtitles or is that just a joke?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 17:03
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]

For those interested in a DVD set that may not see the light of day for years

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:46 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] new sci-fi "best" list

  The "On line Film Critics Society" released their lst of the 100 best sci-fi films of the last 100 years (I found it on Kevin Smith's cool new website www.moviepoopscoop.com ). Here's the list leading up to POTA:

 

 1. 2001

 2. Blade Runner

 3. Empire Strikes Back

 4. Star Wars

  5. ET

 6. Metropolis

 7. Brazil

 8. Close Encounters

 9. Clockwork Orange

 10. Alien

 11. Aliens

 12. Matrix

 13. Back to the Future

 14. Day the Earth Stood Still

 15. T2

  16. T

  17. Body Snatchers ('56)

  18. POTA

 

 And so forth. No other "Apes" appear on the list. All 100 can be seen at http://ofcs.rottentomatoes.com . Etc.,                                                 - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:47 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]

Well there is no way these are official 20th Century Fox release - they are waiting to release these Episodes until Episode 3 hits DVD and they will have even more scenes added to Ep 4, 5 and 6.

 

If Alex says they are good quality then I'm sure they are, put personally my VHS tapes sound almost DVD quality anyway (as they do when you pay a lot for your VCR and surround amplifier/speakers).  So I guess the only advantage would be skipping chapters and that means very little to me.

 

Just on the topic, I have been assured by an expert in hi-fi that there are many different levels of DVD player sound quality output.  Someone recently said that it is all digital output so that would not matter.  That is not the case.  A cheap DVD player will put out cheap sound, albeit through 5 or 6 speakers.

 

Hey Alex, do these really have subtitles or is that just a joke?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 17:03
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] SW on DVD [OT]

For those interested in a DVD set that may not see the light of day for years

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>
> If he's lying I'd say it's in the hearing (like he lies about knowing
>Taylor). He seems to be forthright when being grilled by Hasslein.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:50 AM
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me
>
>
>> >I know what you mean the Taylor's dogtags really irritate me. I bet
>> >everyone has one mistake that really bugs them.
>>
>> I had to think about it but what bugs me the most on POTA is the
>inconsistant
>> timeline given by Cornelius in ESCAPE. On the one hand he says that
>> apes spoke English for 2000 years and later he says they took several
>centuries
>> to articulate. The thing that bugs me is that the inconsistancy is not
>> between movies but in the same movie. Why didn't Roddy McDowall catch
>> this? Did he even care? I'll have to go with James explanation that
>> Cornelius wasn't telling the truth on one of them.

> Taylor and Nova retraced their steps. They went back to the lake (her
>"home" area) and he found the dogtags. Then he went over to see how Milo was
>doing with the ship he helped them recover. Etc. - - - Jeff

>
> Except that what he says in the hearing about apes speaking English

> 2000 years seems to fit in much better with each of the other

>
> -Tom
>
> >
> > If he's lying I'd say it's in the hearing (like he lies about

> >Taylor). He seems to be forthright when being grilled by Hasslein.
> > - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:50 AM
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me
> >
> >
> >> >I know what you mean the Taylor's dogtags really irritate me. I

> >> >everyone has one mistake that really bugs them.
> >>
> >> I had to think about it but what bugs me the most on POTA is the
> >inconsistant
> >> timeline given by Cornelius in ESCAPE. On the one hand he says

> >> apes spoke English for 2000 years and later he says they took

> >centuries
> >> to articulate. The thing that bugs me is that the inconsistancy

> >> between movies but in the same movie. Why didn't Roddy

> >> this? Did he even care? I'll have to go with James explanation

> >> Cornelius wasn't telling the truth on one of them.
>
>

>From: <veetus@...>
>They looked like official releases. Were they released outside the U.S.? Etc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me


>
> Except that what he says in the hearing about apes speaking English for
> 2000 years seems to fit in much better with each of the other movies.
>
> -Tom
>
> >
> > If he's lying I'd say it's in the hearing (like he lies about knowing
> >Taylor). He seems to be forthright when being grilled by Hasslein.
> > - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:50 AM
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me
> >
> >
> >> >I know what you mean the Taylor's dogtags really irritate me. I bet
> >> >everyone has one mistake that really bugs them.
> >>
> >> I had to think about it but what bugs me the most on POTA is the
> >inconsistant
> >> timeline given by Cornelius in ESCAPE. On the one hand he says that
> >> apes spoke English for 2000 years and later he says they took several
> >centuries
> >> to articulate. The thing that bugs me is that the inconsistancy is not
> >> between movies but in the same movie. Why didn't Roddy McDowall catch
> >> this? Did he even care? I'll have to go with James explanation that
> >> Cornelius wasn't telling the truth on one of them.
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Unless "Escape" starts another timeline and apes took over much
later in
> the "Planet" timeline. Etc. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> "Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take over
much later
> in the original timeline...

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me


> Maybe, maybe not. There are different interpetations that are
> equally valid. Since the original film cycle was never completed
> we'll never know the answer.
>
> --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > "Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take over
> much later
> > in the original timeline...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>> Unless "Escape" starts another timeline and apes took over much later in
>> the "Planet" timeline. Etc. - - - Jeff
>>
>
>"Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take over much later
>in the original timeline...
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> The original film cycle was completed, though at the last
minute. They
> were originally going to do more, then Jacobs decide for "Battle"
to be the
> last one. I think that's when they decided on the Lawgiver scene,
which ends
> almost exactly where "Planet" begins. Don't remember the exact
date but the
> Lawgiver scene takes place on like 2670 and at the beginning
of "Planet",
> taylor's clock says 2673. Full circle in what appears to be an add-
on scene.
> Ambiguity seems to be the point, not answers. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me
>
>
> > Maybe, maybe not. There are different interpetations that are
> > equally valid. Since the original film cycle was never completed
> > we'll never know the answer.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > "Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take
over
> > much later
> > > in the original timeline...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> >
> >> Unless "Escape" starts another timeline and apes took over
much later in
> >> the "Planet" timeline. Etc. - - - Jeff
> >>
> >
> >"Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take over
much later
> >in the original timeline...
> >
>
> I completely agree that ESCAPE altered the timeline and I think
there is no
> question that Caesar never existed in the original timeline. But
I disagree
> with a lot of people over the original timeline. In ESCAPE
Cornelius allows
> for two possibilities in the original timeline: either the apes
took over in
> the 25th century or in the 20th century. Either of these can be
true, but they
> can't both be true. Cornelius had to be lieing about one or the
other but
> which? I believe that the 20th century was the truth because all
of the other
> movies suggest that.
>
> The subway ruins in BENEATH and the human artifacts in the cave in
PLANET are
> both from the 20th century which say that the nuclear war occured
in the 20th
> century. And that makes sense. Since a 20th century nuclear war
occured in
> the altered BATTLE timeline it would also have occured in the
original
> timeline, hence the ruins in BENEATH and artifacts in PLANET.
Both Paul Dehn
> and the Corringtons had intended for the BATTLE Aldo to be the
same as the
> ESCAPE Aldo in the original timeline. Caesar didn't significantly
change the
> timing of the revolution, he hijacked its leadership from Aldo. I
believe
> that the timing of the revolution was linked together with the
nuclear war,
> which occured in the 20th century in both the original and the
altered
> timeline.
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The original timeline


> >
> >> Unless "Escape" starts another timeline and apes took over much later
in
> >> the "Planet" timeline. Etc. - - - Jeff
> >>
> >
> >"Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take over much
later
> >in the original timeline...
> >
>
> I completely agree that ESCAPE altered the timeline and I think there is
no
> question that Caesar never existed in the original timeline. But I
disagree
> with a lot of people over the original timeline. In ESCAPE Cornelius
allows
> for two possibilities in the original timeline: either the apes took over
in
> the 25th century or in the 20th century. Either of these can be true, but
they
> can't both be true. Cornelius had to be lieing about one or the other but
> which? I believe that the 20th century was the truth because all of the
other
> movies suggest that.
>
> The subway ruins in BENEATH and the human artifacts in the cave in PLANET
are
> both from the 20th century which say that the nuclear war occured in the
20th
> century. And that makes sense. Since a 20th century nuclear war occured
in
> the altered BATTLE timeline it would also have occured in the original
> timeline, hence the ruins in BENEATH and artifacts in PLANET. Both Paul
Dehn
> and the Corringtons had intended for the BATTLE Aldo to be the same as the
> ESCAPE Aldo in the original timeline. Caesar didn't significantly change
the
> timing of the revolution, he hijacked its leadership from Aldo. I believe
> that the timing of the revolution was linked together with the nuclear
war,
> which occured in the 20th century in both the original and the altered
> timeline.
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me


> According to the "Behind POTA" documentary it was while Battle was
> shooting that they decided it would be the last one. The Lawgiver
> scenes were planned before that.
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > The original film cycle was completed, though at the last
> minute. They
> > were originally going to do more, then Jacobs decide for "Battle"
> to be the
> > last one. I think that's when they decided on the Lawgiver scene,
> which ends
> > almost exactly where "Planet" begins. Don't remember the exact
> date but the
> > Lawgiver scene takes place on like 2670 and at the beginning
> of "Planet",
> > taylor's clock says 2673. Full circle in what appears to be an add-
> on scene.
> > Ambiguity seems to be the point, not answers. Etc. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me
> >
> >
> > > Maybe, maybe not. There are different interpetations that are
> > > equally valid. Since the original film cycle was never completed
> > > we'll never know the answer.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > > "Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take
> over
> > > much later
> > > > in the original timeline...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:43 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The original timeline


> Good point about the ruins from the cave and Beneath being from the
> 20th Century. But I don't think there is no question that Caeser
> existed in the original timeline. There are not enough facts to back
> that up.
> As to Cornelius' recounting of history there are several
> possibilties:
> 1. He was lying, but the performance doesn't indicate this as well
> as weak rationale for his motivation.
> 2. The history in the scrolls is inaccurate. The Lawgiver who wrote
> them did so hundreds of years after the fact. Since the Apes a less
> advanced culture you can't expect them to keep records by our
> standard. Historians will tell you there are many inconsistancies in
> historical records kept over hundreds of years.
> 3. The scrolls were written in a poetic style, not a straight
> narative style. It could be that Cornelius simply interpeted the
> time frame incorrectly.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Unless "Escape" starts another timeline and apes took over
> much later in
> > >> the "Planet" timeline. Etc. - - - Jeff
> > >>
> > >
> > >"Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take over
> much later
> > >in the original timeline...
> > >
> >
> > I completely agree that ESCAPE altered the timeline and I think
> there is no
> > question that Caesar never existed in the original timeline. But
> I disagree
> > with a lot of people over the original timeline. In ESCAPE
> Cornelius allows
> > for two possibilities in the original timeline: either the apes
> took over in
> > the 25th century or in the 20th century. Either of these can be
> true, but they
> > can't both be true. Cornelius had to be lieing about one or the
> other but
> > which? I believe that the 20th century was the truth because all
> of the other
> > movies suggest that.
> >
> > The subway ruins in BENEATH and the human artifacts in the cave in
> PLANET are
> > both from the 20th century which say that the nuclear war occured
> in the 20th
> > century. And that makes sense. Since a 20th century nuclear war
> occured in
> > the altered BATTLE timeline it would also have occured in the
> original
> > timeline, hence the ruins in BENEATH and artifacts in PLANET.
> Both Paul Dehn
> > and the Corringtons had intended for the BATTLE Aldo to be the
> same as the
> > ESCAPE Aldo in the original timeline. Caesar didn't significantly
> change the
> > timing of the revolution, he hijacked its leadership from Aldo. I
> believe
> > that the timing of the revolution was linked together with the
> nuclear war,
> > which occured in the 20th century in both the original and the
> altered
> > timeline.
> >
> >
> >

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me

  

Don't remember the exact date but theLawgiver scene takes place on like 2670 and at the beginning of "Planet",taylor's clock says 2673.

That doesn't make any sense!
What happened to 3950 somthing?

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> Yes, the plan was for Heston to see the Statue of Liberty and then

> shot. Nova was pregnant, so there's a hope for the future kind of

> I read somewhere that POTA was supposed to be Heston's most famous
> role (maybe Heston himself said so?). But I guess it is a

> thing. The 10 Commandments was certainly a memorable movie too and

> don't doubt that a lot of people think of that one first.

>
> I would pay serious money to hear Caesar's original, unedited

> I mean, imagine if the comic books were about things like this where
> genuine thought had gon into explaining things (an including the
> explanation of things that take some thought). I do believe there
> would have been more sales (or at least a high level of satisfaction
> for those who did buy them).

> Even if its a different timelime, all the ruins seen in Beneath are
> from the 20th century. So either way Cornelius' recounting of
> history is inaccurate.

> Well, whatever. I didn't say this before but I think the interior

> spaceship we see in the first episode of the TV series is what was

> ESCAPE but cut.

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me

In a message dated 6/21/2002 3:41:33 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

"james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> Even if its a different timelime, all the ruins seen in Beneath are
> from the 20th century. So either way Cornelius' recounting of
> history is inaccurate.

Not necessarily - the buildings we see in ruins are from the 20th
century, but they may well have lasted long past then.

Right on! And even now in the "futuristic" 21st century, I've yet to see anything that looks really out of whack. I mean, buildings are buildings, same as always. I don't think we'll be going from our present buildings to "The Jetson's" style homes anytime soon...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior


> Michael <whitty@...> wrote:
> > I mean, imagine if the comic books were about things like this where
> > genuine thought had gon into explaining things (an including the
> > explanation of things that take some thought). I do believe there
> > would have been more sales (or at least a high level of satisfaction
> > for those who did buy them).
>
> There would certainly have been more satisfaction among us Apes fans
> (one of the best issues of Adventure's series, in my opinion, was the
> one that tied in directly to Conquest) but I really can't see it being
> a boost to sales. Quite the opposite in fact. Everyone but the most
> anal of Apes fans would be turned off by it and it would have been
> lucky to last three or four issues.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Hatch of the ship


> "Jeff & Susan Stringer" <stringe@...> wrote:
> >
> > I would pay serious money to hear Caesar's original, unedited
> speech...!
>
> Like someone else said, I think it would have been the same, but ended
> with "that day is upon you NOW!"
>
> But I'd still love to see both the original version of the speech and
> all the extra violence - a key moment would be Breck's death. Not only
> would it be great to see, but it would also go some way toward
> explaining why Breck is almost forgotten about in Battle.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Ultimately it's what one chooses to believe. I prefer to believe
the apes
> took over later. We've already gone in circles on this. Even if
the apes
> took over later, Cornelius could still dig up things from the 2oth
Century.
> The "Beneath" ruins look 20th Century but it's been said things are
> underground that aren't underground now; the rest I can fob off to
poor
> production value. I don't think it's possible for anyone to render
the
> timelines problem-free, even Patrick. Ultimately there's things
one has to
> "blip" over and ignore, and decide for themselves what's
satisfying. For me
> the bottom line is, if in both timelines the apes took over in the
20th
> Century then it didn't happen in our timeline and who cares? I've
always
> seen the original movie, "Beneath" and the TV show as OUR future
(for
> enjoyment of the movie, not something I'm rooting for) and that's
how I look
> at it. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melkor" <melkor@m...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:20 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The original timeline
>
>
> > >
> > >> Unless "Escape" starts another timeline and apes took over
much later
> in
> > >> the "Planet" timeline. Etc. - - - Jeff
> > >>
> > >
> > >"Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take
over much
> later
> > >in the original timeline...
> > >
> >
> > I completely agree that ESCAPE altered the timeline and I think
there is
> no
> > question that Caesar never existed in the original timeline.
But I
> disagree
> > with a lot of people over the original timeline. In ESCAPE
Cornelius
> allows
> > for two possibilities in the original timeline: either the apes
took over
> in
> > the 25th century or in the 20th century. Either of these can be
true, but
> they
> > can't both be true. Cornelius had to be lieing about one or the
other but
> > which? I believe that the 20th century was the truth because
all of the
> other
> > movies suggest that.
> >
> > The subway ruins in BENEATH and the human artifacts in the cave
in PLANET
> are
> > both from the 20th century which say that the nuclear war
occured in the
> 20th
> > century. And that makes sense. Since a 20th century nuclear
war occured
> in
> > the altered BATTLE timeline it would also have occured in the
original
> > timeline, hence the ruins in BENEATH and artifacts in PLANET.
Both Paul
> Dehn
> > and the Corringtons had intended for the BATTLE Aldo to be the
same as the
> > ESCAPE Aldo in the original timeline. Caesar didn't
significantly change
> the
> > timing of the revolution, he hijacked its leadership from Aldo.
I believe
> > that the timing of the revolution was linked together with the
nuclear
> war,
> > which occured in the 20th century in both the original and the
altered
> > timeline.
> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Those are good points, it's like us trying to interpret the
Bible.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:43 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The original timeline
>
>
> > Good point about the ruins from the cave and Beneath being from
the
> > 20th Century. But I don't think there is no question that Caeser
> > existed in the original timeline. There are not enough facts to
back
> > that up.
> > As to Cornelius' recounting of history there are several
> > possibilties:
> > 1. He was lying, but the performance doesn't indicate this as
well
> > as weak rationale for his motivation.
> > 2. The history in the scrolls is inaccurate. The Lawgiver who
wrote
> > them did so hundreds of years after the fact. Since the Apes a
less
> > advanced culture you can't expect them to keep records by our
> > standard. Historians will tell you there are many
inconsistancies in
> > historical records kept over hundreds of years.
> > 3. The scrolls were written in a poetic style, not a straight
> > narative style. It could be that Cornelius simply interpeted the
> > time frame incorrectly.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Unless "Escape" starts another timeline and apes took over
> > much later in
> > > >> the "Planet" timeline. Etc. - - - Jeff
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >"Escape" DOES start another timeline, and the Apes DID take
over
> > much later
> > > >in the original timeline...
> > > >
> > >
> > > I completely agree that ESCAPE altered the timeline and I think
> > there is no
> > > question that Caesar never existed in the original timeline.
But
> > I disagree
> > > with a lot of people over the original timeline. In ESCAPE
> > Cornelius allows
> > > for two possibilities in the original timeline: either the apes
> > took over in
> > > the 25th century or in the 20th century. Either of these can
be
> > true, but they
> > > can't both be true. Cornelius had to be lieing about one or
the
> > other but
> > > which? I believe that the 20th century was the truth because
all
> > of the other
> > > movies suggest that.
> > >
> > > The subway ruins in BENEATH and the human artifacts in the
cave in
> > PLANET are
> > > both from the 20th century which say that the nuclear war
occured
> > in the 20th
> > > century. And that makes sense. Since a 20th century nuclear
war
> > occured in
> > > the altered BATTLE timeline it would also have occured in the
> > original
> > > timeline, hence the ruins in BENEATH and artifacts in PLANET.
> > Both Paul Dehn
> > > and the Corringtons had intended for the BATTLE Aldo to be the
> > same as the
> > > ESCAPE Aldo in the original timeline. Caesar didn't
significantly
> > change the
> > > timing of the revolution, he hijacked its leadership from
Aldo. I
> > believe
> > > that the timing of the revolution was linked together with the
> > nuclear war,
> > > which occured in the 20th century in both the original and the
> > altered
> > > timeline.
> > >
> > >
> > >

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/21/2002 5:43:30 AM Central Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Even if its a different timeline, all the ruins seen in Beneath
are
> > from the 20th century.
>
> Did it ever occur to you that the reason the ruins are "20th
century" is
> because they had a lower budget? I'm sure they weren't
thinking "In 32 yrs.
> someones gonna say 'Theres a dial phone in here, we better not
have that'..."

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/21/2002 8:21:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
>
> > Maybe, maybe not. There are different interpetations that are
> > equally valid. Since the original film cycle was never completed
> > we'll never know the answer.
> >
>
> Well you may say that, but there's too much evidence to support
the two
> timeline theory to ignore it.

--- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > Even if its a different timelime, all the ruins seen in Beneath
are
> > from the 20th century. So either way Cornelius' recounting of
> > history is inaccurate.
>
> Not necessarily - the buildings we see in ruins are from the 20th
> century, but they may well have lasted long past then.
>
> Alan

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> They were turned off by the new comics anyway. POTA can't win. I
motion
> that we turn this into a "Star Wars" group. All in favor? All
opposed?
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior
>
>
> > Michael <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > I mean, imagine if the comic books were about things like this
where
> > > genuine thought had gon into explaining things (an including
the
> > > explanation of things that take some thought). I do believe
there
> > > would have been more sales (or at least a high level of
satisfaction
> > > for those who did buy them).
> >
> > There would certainly have been more satisfaction among us Apes
fans
> > (one of the best issues of Adventure's series, in my opinion,
was the
> > one that tied in directly to Conquest) but I really can't see it
being
> > a boost to sales. Quite the opposite in fact. Everyone but the
most
> > anal of Apes fans would be turned off by it and it would have
been
> > lucky to last three or four issues.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 4:58
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me

  No, the first scene before he goes into hibernation and arrives in 39 something (it's not 3950-something in the first movie). The pre-credit sequence. Etc.   - - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me

  

Don't remember the exact date but theLawgiver scene takes place on like 2670 and at the beginning of "Planet",taylor's clock says 2673.

That doesn't make any sense!
What happened to 3950 somthing?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 6:27
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior
>
>
> Michael <whitty@...> wrote:
> > I mean, imagine if the comic books were about things like this where
> > genuine thought had gon into explaining things (an including the
> > explanation of things that take some thought). I do believe there
> > would have been more sales (or at least a high level of satisfaction
> > for those who did buy them).
>
> There would certainly have been more satisfaction among us Apes fans
> (one of the best issues of Adventure's series, in my opinion, was the
> one that tied in directly to Conquest) but I really can't see it being
> a boost to sales. Quite the opposite in fact. Everyone but the most
> anal of Apes fans would be turned off by it and it would have been
> lucky to last three or four issues.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 8:19
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior
>
>
> Please then we'll start arguing about all the flubs from in the original

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Aw shit, so if Taylor took off in 2673, how the hell did they know
it was
> Taylor's ship in Escape. Things are getting worse!
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 4:58
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me
>
>
> No, the first scene before he goes into hibernation and
arrives in 39
> something (it's not 3950-something in the first movie). The pre-
credit
> sequence. Etc. - - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@A...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What Bugs Me
>
>
>
> Don't remember the exact date but theLawgiver scene
takes place
> on like 2670 and at the beginning of "Planet",taylor's clock says
2673.
>
>
> That doesn't make any sense!
> What happened to 3950 somthing?
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
of Service.
>
>
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--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Nah, big brother Lucas will find out and alter them.
>
> This bothers me a bit how he is adapting history. Oh well, I
guess he can,
> so he is. Didn't Hitler do the same?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 8:19
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior
> >
> >
> > Please then we'll start arguing about all the flubs from in the
original
> trilogy and the prequels. ;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The Star Wars Group (OT)


> Nah, big brother Lucas will find out and alter them.
>
> This bothers me a bit how he is adapting history. Oh well, I guess he
can,
> so he is. Didn't Hitler do the same?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 8:19
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior
> >
> >
> > Please then we'll start arguing about all the flubs from in the original
> trilogy and the prequels. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The Star Wars Group (OT)


> Nah, big brother Lucas will find out and alter them.
>
> This bothers me a bit how he is adapting history. Oh well, I guess he
can,
> so he is. Didn't Hitler do the same?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 8:19
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Escape Interior
> >
> >
> > Please then we'll start arguing about all the flubs from in the original
> trilogy and the prequels. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> Such as what? I'd really like to know some of this circular
evidence...

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Comic Books

In a message dated 6/21/2002 5:50:11 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

We may never know, but seeing as the original film series WAS popular, and
the comic books NEVER were - unless they were stories about the films - I
still believe they could have explored more interesting/familiar things than
talking giant brains and the absolute garbage from the 70's stuff (ie
someone's stupid comic strip, change faces to apes, call it POTA).

Michael

You are absolutely right! Thankfully at least someone in here is seeing what I had said before. Just because it has talking Apes in it DOES NOT make it POTA.

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Aw shit, so if Taylor took off in 2673, how the hell did they know it was
>Taylor's ship in Escape. Things are getting worse!

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>We may never know, but seeing as the original film series WAS popular, and
>the comic books NEVER were - unless they were stories about the films - I
>still believe they could have explored more interesting/familiar things than
>talking giant brains and the absolute garbage from the 70's stuff (ie
>someone's stupid comic strip, change faces to apes, call it POTA).

>From: <veetus@...>
>Subject: Re: The Star Wars Group (OT)
>Well, Lucas said the original version of the flicks won't be on DVD, just
>the (final?) versions (I hear it's Jar Jar in "A New Hope").

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2002 10:16
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Comic Books

In a message dated 6/21/2002 5:50:11 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

We may never know, but seeing as the original film series WAS popular, and
the comic books NEVER were - unless they were stories about the films - I
still believe they could have explored more interesting/familiar things than
talking giant brains and the absolute garbage from the 70's stuff (ie
someone's stupid comic strip, change faces to apes, call it POTA).

Michael

You are absolutely right! Thankfully at least someone in here is seeing what I had said before. Just because it has talking Apes in it DOES NOT make it POTA.


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