In a message dated 10/03/2000 7:54:17 AM Central Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

<< had the original Beneath on (get this) 8 track!! >>

Wow! I didn't even know it was released on 8-track!!!

In a message dated 10/03/2000 11:30:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
pmilam3362@... writes:

<< My father watches JAG, a show I consider to be abysmally dumb, because of
Catherine Bell.

>>

I hear Survivor star and Navy SEAL, Rudy is going to be on an episode of JAG!

Attachments :

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> I hear Survivor star and Navy SEAL, Rudy is going to be on an episode of JAG!

That one did it for me. Bye guys!

In a message dated 10/03/2000 11:33:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

> I hear Survivor star and Navy SEAL, Rudy is going to be on an episode of

JAG!


Wasn't he on some shoe commercial? I saw it only once, towards the end of
Survivor.

I'm sure I'll be hearing about this when he does appear, since the new season
started this week (argh!).


PMilam

No, that was BB that was on the Reebok's commercial. He was the second voted
off. Stacey also did a Reebok's commercial. I was a Survivor junkie
throughout it's run and wanted Rudy to win. He was so blunt on everything it
was hilarious. If he's going to be on JAG I'll watch it.

Loc

In a message dated 10/03/2000 11:49:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

> No, that was BB that was on the Reebok's commercial. He was the second

voted

> off. Stacey also did a Reebok's commercial. I was a Survivor junkie
> throughout it's run and wanted Rudy to win. He was so blunt on everything

it

>
> was hilarious. If he's going to be on JAG I'll watch it.

I'm not going to say anything about how I didn't care for Survivor, either,
or it'll seem like I don't like anything.

I'll probably watch that episode, too. They'll probably play up his real
attitude in the script, and it'll be nice to get a bit of reality in what I
see as a phony show.

PMilam

Okay, guys, look, this is a POTA mailing list.

End of subject.

You want to talk about JAG, or Survivor, or TV commercials, Private E-mails.
I don't mind once in a while, but this is getting ridiculous...

-Caesar

"I am the Law"

Or Van Damme?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 October 2000 13:14
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???

In a message dated 10/03/2000 3:29:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< I'm very much in the "leave my film alone, you Hollywood vultures"
category,
but I confess that if they made a pretty faithful adaptation of Boulle's
book I wouldn't mind. As long as they use decent actors too.

>>

Should the Taylor character be French? If so I think he should speak
English, subtitles can be so tiresome. Christopher Lambert would be good.
He's had experience acting with apes.

> >
> > I hear Survivor star and Navy SEAL, Rudy is going to be on an episode of

JAG!

>
> That one did it for me. Bye guys!

I hear you man, I think I'm headed the same direction.
How the hell did Navy Seals and Buffy get into this?!!

Alex

Unfortunately it seems that the quality of emails has
gone down.

Please discontinue my membership in this egroup.

>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] Stop the Planet of the Apes mailing list, I want to get
>off.
>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:53:36 -0400
>
> > >
> > > I hear Survivor star and Navy SEAL, Rudy is going to be on an episode
>of
>JAG!
> >
> > That one did it for me. Bye guys!
>
>I hear you man, I think I'm headed the same direction.
>How the hell did Navy Seals and Buffy get into this?!!
>
>Alex
>

_____________

In a message dated 10/4/00 5:57:02 AM, mflulder@... writes:

<< -Caesar

"I am the Law >>

But are you the moderator of the group? I agree that this is an apes group.
If people would like to join another where SF and other topics are discussed.
The group is
0-about-star-trek@egroups.com and I'm sure the moderator would welcome new
members.

In a message dated 10/04/2000 1:33:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< I hear you man, I think I'm headed the same direction.
How the hell did Navy Seals and Buffy get into this?!! >>

Hey!

I don't know how we got off topic. But if you don't like it then why don't
you contribute something interesting to discuss instead of bailing like a
couple of losers.
If that's you're attitude I say good riddance. I was just responding to
someone else.

The latest new is that the number of species of apes will be running into
double digits. Here comes the spider monkeys.

Afternoon, September 29, 2000... One of our deep cover sources has emerged
and told us this piece of exclusive news: director (and sometimes actor)
Spike Jonze is playing an ape in the film! Jonze's part will be of an "ape
outsider" who winds up befriending Mark Wahlberg's astronaut character. In
fact, it was Wahlberg who suggested his Three Kings co-star to director Tim
Burton for the part of his monkey pal.

And those earlier reports about there being more ape species than just the
three that appeared in the original films? Our source tells us to be
prepared for more...a lot more. "I'm talking about double digits when it
comes to the number of species," they told us. It's a madhouse! [The name of
this ape was withheld.]

October 5, 2000... For months there have been rumors that Tim Burton's new
Apes film would feature a number of different ape species. As fans of the
original series of films will remember, the only ape species we saw were the
benevolent Chimpanzees, the scholarly Orangutans and the warlike Gorillas.

Guess what? Coming Attractions now has a partial list of the ape species
we'll see in the new Planet of the Apes -- and based on what we now know,
get ready to see a lot more diversity between the talking monkeys...a lot
more. With the huge strides in special effects technology since the first
Apes movie in 1968, the 2001 Apes film will truly show us a planet full of
apes in all different shapes, sizes and colors. Upon being informed of this
information, the inner fanboy in us said this: Cool!

You ready?


Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes will feature Chimpanzees, Baboons,
Orangutans, Howler Monkees, Mangabeys, Gorillas, Spider monkeys, Lervet
monkeys, Mandrills, and a few Loris monkeys.

The Loris species of monkeys lives in the tropical rainforests of Southeast
Asia, and we're told that the 2001 Apes movie will be using CGI technology
to show us clothed, speaking Loris monkeys interacting with the other apes
in the film! Burton is really going for a complete and true multi-species
representation of all the different intelligent apes living on the planet to
show they would have as much diversity as humanity does on Earth.

And remember: this is only a partial listing of the different ape species
seen in the film! Expect to also see sub-families of each ape species; for
example, we now can inform you that Michael Clarke Duncan plays a giant
silverback gorilla in the film!


_____________

What has happened to this group?
Hey, if it's me I'll unsubscripe right now!

Does one get that Star Wars Episode one feeling?????

M



snip

>Afternoon, September 29, 2000... One of our deep cover sources has emerged
>and told us this piece of exclusive news: director (and sometimes actor)
>Spike Jonze is playing an ape in the film! Jonze's part will be of an "ape
>outsider" who winds up befriending Mark Wahlberg's astronaut character. In
>fact, it was Wahlberg who suggested his Three Kings co-star to director Tim
>Burton for the part of his monkey pal.
>

>You ready?
>

snip

>
>And remember: this is only a partial listing of the different ape species
>seen in the film! Expect to also see sub-families of each ape species; for
>example, we now can inform you that Michael Clarke Duncan plays a giant
>silverback gorilla in the film!

So who do we still have in the group? Can we have a show of hands?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 21:13
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] What happened?

What has happened to this group?
Hey, if it's me I'll unsubscripe right now!

I don't know, LTZ. A couple of references to JAG and people freak! It's not
you, that's for sure. Can't we (humans & apes) all just get along?????? John

Hello? Is anyone there??

I came back and everyone's gone. Is it true everyone's leaving? Because of
what, "Buffy" references?

Anyway, here's my two cents on what's been discussed recently (well, I
guess it's marked down to a quarter of a cent now):

FAVES: People have been listing their preference for the "Ape" flicks, so
here's mine:

1. "Planet"
2. "Escape"
3. "Conquest"
4. "Beneath"
5. "Battle"

I don't quite revere the original like some do. It's one of my favorite
movies of all time but some of the humor seems forced. For me, "Escape" is a
close second. Certainly not as much production value but I was moved by the
lead performances and the script. Some complain about the ending but that's
what's always distinguished it in my mind. Pretty much every "Ape" movie
ends with a bummer but "Escape" personalizes it. We see the deaths of
characters we care about instead of it just being alluded to. I used to
think of the Cornelius death as kinda cheap, with him falling like a sack of
potatoes, but I like that shot now. Death tends to be messy and not very
dignified and I prefer that to the "dignified" but corny death of Capt. Kirk
in one of those "Star Trek" flicks. "Conquest" has alot of powerful moments
but is also marred by some choppy editing (I'd love to see a "director's
cut"). "Beneath" is a replay of the original for the first half so I only
consider it half a movie. The second half is cool though, and I can see why
it's such a cult favorite. "Battle" is the weakest one and doubly
disapointing since it's the "conclusion". But I'm even fond of it. And I dig
those treehouses.

REMAKE: Lots of comments were made about the remake.

The Infamous Sex Situation between Man and Ape: It was mentioned again in
the brand new Dec. issue of "Sci - Fi" magazine (the Sci- Fi Channel's tome)
with "Dune" on the cover (by the way, Arthur Jacobs was the first filmaker
to try to adapt "Dune" to film). Generally, people seem to knock it, which I
find kinda depressing. Not that I'm particularly enamored by that scenario,
but people complain that movies (especially big budget "franchise" pictures)
play it safe, are predictible, etc. Now filmmakers are trying to push the
envelope and people are discouraging them. Because it won't sell toys?
When's the last time people's hearts bled because a studio wasn't making
enough money? I know, fans want toys and they want sequels (me too) but the
movies should come first. Is it beastiality? I've learned from a source that
the humans will be mute as in the original. If the humans are animals again
isn't it beastiality for Wahlberg to bed one of them. The original kinda
sidestepped this issue by making Nova more "human" than the others. But if
the ape is the sentient being there is an ambiguity to our perceptions of
what constitutes beastiality, and that's where the beauty of it could lie.
Come on, this is Tim Burton. Has he ever had a sex scene in a movie? I doubt
the relationship would even be consumated off screen. It would probably be
like "Edward Scissorhands", a doomed love. It could add a nice dimension to
the film. I'm for it.

As I've said in other e-mails, the "Star Trek" kind of interspecies dating
gets away with it because the aliens don't really exist and that creates a
distance. Apes exist and that could be more troublesome but potentially more
interesting. Burton has never really courted controversy (except in his
casting choices) so I don't think he will push things too far. Yes, apes
cannot procreate with humans, not even chimps. There's room for speculation
since apes currently cannot talk either. My theory is there's not enough
time for the Planet of the Apes to come about because of evolution. It would
have to be genetic manipulation (by human or otherwise). That's why my
choice for an "Apes" remake would be "Conquest", showing how it began anew.
But even if they can't procreate, there's still the emotional issue. One
could look at it like a homosexual relationship, where biology is negligible
but we can't deny there are those relationships ("Not that there's anything
wrong with that". - - -Jerry Seinfeld). In fact, Fox would be in even
more trouble if Wahlberg took up with another man in an "Apes" movie
(perhaps that studly guy in the cornfield), though movies have been made
about gay relationships. All I can say is give the filmakers a chance. You
don't have to see it. (By the way, a friend of mine who works for Larry
Flynt told me there's a gay porno video called "Planet of the Gapes"; I shit
you not).

Remake ideas: Some good remake ideas were put forth in the e-mails but
Burton's hiring put to rest any chance that this could continue from the
originals. After all, the guy is known as a designer and there's no way he
would have slavishly followed someone else's look. Doing Boulle's book would
be interesting; however his opening and closing wouldn't work because film
would give away that they are chimps (Boulle's shock ending).

Updates: Thanks to Dave Ballard for reminding us of the updates at Forbidden
Zone. I'm not thrilled with baboons and mandrills running around, but they
sound elaborate and will probably only be used minimally. An actor friend of
mine is trying to get on the film and his agent told him the apes will
actually wear full body suits and will go to a special "camp" to learn how
to move in them.Thursday's "Daily Variety" had an article about Richard
Zanuck and said the film will start shooting Nov. 6 (2 days before my
birthday) and will shoot at Lake Powell (the original Forbidden Zone),
Hawaii and California. Stage 30 at Sony Studios will house Ape City and they
also have many stages reserved at a new studio in downtown L.A. Let the
games begin!

By the way, someone said that Mark Wahlberg was the original choice for
"Titanic". Could they please tell me where they heard/read that?

THEME PARKS: People talked about cool ideas for POTA theme park rides. I
hear Fox is planning to turn their Australia digs into a studio tour. Maybe.
. . ?

MARATHON: I think Fox is missing a bet if they don't release a n "Apes"
marathon in theatres. I remember in the '80's there were "Star Trek" and
"Rocky" marathons prior to the release of new installments. "Apes" is a
natural since the "Go Ape!" gigs have become such classics.

MAD MAX: Another favorite series of mine and one I consider the POTA of
the '80's. There's been other post-apocalyptic movies but who else did a
string of quality sequels . To my mind, POTA and "Mad Max" are unique as the
only "post-apocalyptic franchises". And "Mad Max" is getting a new
installment too!

SEQUELS: It's easy to knock the budgets for the "Ape" sequels but it must
be remembered about Fox's financial position at the time. I recommend the
new AMC documentary "20th Century Fox: the Blockbuster Years". It's made by
the same people who made "Behind the POTA".

"S.O.B.": Yes, I loved "S.O.B.". And God bless the late Richard Mulligan,
star of my favorite TV show, "Soap".

And on that note, I don't understand all the defections I found today.
This list is a great resource and I always look forward to it. If people
leave because it seems frivilous it'll just make people that much more
self-conscious to say anything. It seems to me like a great opportunity is
being blown. No wonder "Star Trek " and "Star Wars" have blown "Ape" fandom
out of the water.

- - -
- Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 6:42 PM
Subject: [pota] "Conquest", part "do!"


> Ah ha, the plot thickens. Obviously the American version was stuck with a
> strict 2 hour time limit to fit in the American Movie Classics (AMC) time
> slot, while the more laid back countries got the real version. The
question
> is, why didn't Fox hype this longer DVD version as an extra?- - - Jeff
> Krueger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> To: "Apes List" <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Apescape, part deux
>
>
> > Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...> wrote:
> > >She said she really didn't want to play the role of an ape because of
the
> > >hours and hours of dealing with that crap. As in dealing with the make
up
> > >process.
> > >The crap wasn't the make up, it was dealing with the process of being
> made
> > >up.
> > >I had to watch it twice to make sure what she said.
> >
> >
> > But that bit is in the "regular" version though - or at least it is in
the
> > version I've seen anyway! (Which was taped from one of Sky TV's many,
many
> > screenings - since us poor Brits weren't given the chance to buy it)
> >
> > Talking of Britain, it's about two in the morning so I'm away to bed.
> > G'night.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/8/00 11:47:43 PM, whitty@... writes:

<< So who do we still have in the group? Can we have a show of hands?

Michael >>

I'm still here and I'm still as anti-remake/rethinking as I was when I
joined. In fact, after hearing all this nutty stuff about monkeys being on
the Planet of the Apes (there is a difference between them) I may be MORE
anti!

In a message dated 10/08/2000 10:48:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

> I don't know, LTZ. A couple of references to JAG and people freak! It's not
> you, that's for sure. Can't we (humans & apes) all just get along??????
> John

I had some part in this, being the one who expressed my strong dislike of the
show JAG. I don't really apologize for it, because, off-topic though it
might have been, I don't think it merited the strong response of people
unsubbing because of it. I almost left the list myself after that, but my
fondness for Planet of the Apes is as strong as my dislike of JAG, and I
wanted to see if things would calm down. It seems other people feel the same
way, which leaves me fairly optimistic, so hopefully we can move on, and I'll
try to refrain from mentioning JAG, as much because I detest that show as
anything else.


PMilam

> From: "Philip Nobile" <soylentphil@...>
>Subject: Corona remake news
>
>Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes will feature Chimpanzees, Baboons,
>Orangutans, Howler Monkees, Mangabeys, Gorillas, Spider monkeys, Lervet
>monkeys, Mandrills, and a few Loris monkeys.
>

Sigh. Those aren't apes! Apes are chimpanzees, orangutans, gorillas,
and gibbons. The rest are monkeys, which aren't the same thing.

>Burton is really going for a complete and true multi-species
>representation of all the different intelligent apes living on the planet to
>show they would have as much diversity as humanity does on Earth.
>

That's great, but they aren't apes!!

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
<goathunter@...> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/

Hey everyone,

For once, I'm actually caught up in all my e-mails, a very rare thing
for me. I've been a member of this group for a pretty long time relatively,
a couple of years maybe. I used to be a lot more active when it comes to
posting, but for the past several months, I get so backed up, I usually just
end up reading and enjoying them. I feel bad that some of the people who's
posts I value a lot left, and I hope this downward trend of the group
ceases. Hopefully, we can all just talk about POTA in peace. Okay, enough
of that stuff.
I never shared my ranking of all the pota movies. Here they are:

Planet
Beneath
Conquest
Battle
Escape

If all the good, deleted Battle scense were left like the Alpha Omega bomb
ones were left, I would definitely move Battle up to third, possibly even
second. Escape's good and all, don't get me wrong, but it's just not as
political, deep, and exiciting as the others, in my opinion. All five are
still my five favorite movies of all time.

I know I'm definitely going to see the new movie very shortly after it
comes out, probably opening day/night. I also feel I'll be utterly
dissapointed, despite my attempts of not having hope. We all hold the
original series so dear to our hearts (I know, that's corny), and I don't
think Tim Burton and Mark Wahlberg will be able to produce something that
comes even close. I hope I'm deal wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Adding
more apes sounds like it could just make it confusing. Also, part of what
made POTA was so special was the underlying politics plot. I don't think
the new one will contain any hidden meanings. I really liked the three
different ape species in the first movie, and how each one represented a
different social class. With more ape species in the new one, that shows
automatically one political element that will be eliminated. How many more,
who knows?

One more thing I have to ask. Mr. Kreuger, I very highly value your
posts. Sure, I like all the "old" and "new" people like Philip, Alex,
Lordzter, Loc, Lynne, Larry, etc.... I respect everone who adds something.
But you always seem to have special insight and info for news and details.
May I ask how you know so much stuff, and so many important people, and
hear all this news? It really amazes me.

Well, I've made this e-mail way too long, I'm sorry. I'll try to keep
my e-mails shorter with more "pota meat" in them from now on. Good night to
all, and a wish of a good holy holiday for all those on the list to whom
that applies to!




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....


P.S. Does anyone out there know of a pota necktie that was ever made,
existed, anything? I'd love to have one to wear to formal occasions, so if
there's one for sale somewhere, I'd grab it an instant! I can just imagine
a tie with Dr Zaius, back turned, peering over his shoulder out at you.
Just a though. As always, any info much appreciated!
_____________

.html <.html

everyone jumped ship? hey, come on, i just joined the group! anyway, watched
the entire tv series straight through, all 14 episodes, this past saturday.
items for discussion:
1) the main focal point was at first the disk from the virdon and burke's
ship....how to use it to get home....then all mention of it is GONE!!!!
hmmmmmm....forgot all about it after the gladiators and the legacy, i
suppose???
2) no continuity at all......anything that happens is hardly, if ever
mentioned again......getting shot and almost dying is no big deal, i
guess...(virdon in the surgeon)
3) virdon pretty much forgets he has a wife and son, while burke only misses
getting laid apparently....nil character development????
4) for fugitives, our heroes, virdon burke and galen don't seem to have too
many qualms about heading back to central city whenever they please..where
are zauis and urko for most of the series' later episodes..especially
zauis????
5) no matter how far the boys run, they can always get back to the city in
30 minutes or less...also, they go in whatever direction they please.....
6) in the tyrant, in urko's office, or is it zaius', there is an x and a
skull on a map drawn on the stone wall..is this the forbidden zone?? why was
this never exoanded upon????
7) there exist cities of rubble from prior civilazations.never expounded
upon.....how do the apes explain them??? old ape cities???? do all apes know
man was the master before??? apparently not.....but....
8) DOGS?????????????????????

okay, enough slamming the series, i love it to death, but gotta wonder about
a lot of its content.best explanation posted a while back....it's all taking
place in an alternate time line, and is therefore seperate from the 5 films
like the cartoon obviously is....but hell, the writing could have still been
a damn sight sharper....... imho, one of the best eps is the
liberator.....but hey, what do you all think???
pete h
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross D. <smoothrt@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 9:47 PM
Subject: [pota] pota mish-mosh

>Hey everyone,
>
> For once, I'm actually caught up in all my e-mails, a very rare thing
>for me. I've been a member of this group for a pretty long time

relatively,

>a couple of years maybe. I used to be a lot more active when it comes to
>posting, but for the past several months, I get so backed up, I usually

just

>end up reading and enjoying them. I feel bad that some of the people who's
>posts I value a lot left, and I hope this downward trend of the group
>ceases. Hopefully, we can all just talk about POTA in peace. Okay, enough
>of that stuff.
> I never shared my ranking of all the pota movies. Here they are:
>
>Planet
>Beneath
>Conquest
>Battle
>Escape
>
>If all the good, deleted Battle scense were left like the Alpha Omega bomb
>ones were left, I would definitely move Battle up to third, possibly even
>second. Escape's good and all, don't get me wrong, but it's just not as
>political, deep, and exiciting as the others, in my opinion. All five are
>still my five favorite movies of all time.
>
> I know I'm definitely going to see the new movie very shortly after it
>comes out, probably opening day/night. I also feel I'll be utterly
>dissapointed, despite my attempts of not having hope. We all hold the
>original series so dear to our hearts (I know, that's corny), and I don't
>think Tim Burton and Mark Wahlberg will be able to produce something that
>comes even close. I hope I'm deal wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Adding
>more apes sounds like it could just make it confusing. Also, part of what
>made POTA was so special was the underlying politics plot. I don't think
>the new one will contain any hidden meanings. I really liked the three
>different ape species in the first movie, and how each one represented a
>different social class. With more ape species in the new one, that shows
>automatically one political element that will be eliminated. How many

more,

>who knows?
>
> One more thing I have to ask. Mr. Kreuger, I very highly value your
>posts. Sure, I like all the "old" and "new" people like Philip, Alex,
>Lordzter, Loc, Lynne, Larry, etc.... I respect everone who adds something.
>But you always seem to have special insight and info for news and details.
>May I ask how you know so much stuff, and so many important people, and
>hear all this news? It really amazes me.
>
> Well, I've made this e-mail way too long, I'm sorry. I'll try to keep
>my e-mails shorter with more "pota meat" in them from now on. Good night

to

>all, and a wish of a good holy holiday for all those on the list to whom
>that applies to!
>
>
>
>
>Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
>Smoothness is all....
>
>
>P.S. Does anyone out there know of a pota necktie that was ever made,
>existed, anything? I'd love to have one to wear to formal occasions, so if
>there's one for sale somewhere, I'd grab it an instant! I can just imagine
>a tie with Dr Zaius, back turned, peering over his shoulder out at you.
>Just a though. As always, any info much appreciated!
>_____________

In a message dated 10/9/00 12:46:06 AM, goathunter@... writes:

<< >Burton is really going for a complete and true multi-species

>representation of all the different intelligent apes living on the planet to
>show they would have as much diversity as humanity does on Earth. >>

Burton is a schmuck who should stick with Neo-gothic films that he's good at,
like Sleepy Hollow, not a science fiction film like Planet of the Apes. Call
me a negative minded person, but this movie is going to SUCK and I'm
certainly not going to be plunking down money to see it. If they were going
to add Gibbons (the only apes not represented in POTA), I'd be in favor of
it. But Monkeys? All kinds of Monkeys? Diversity like in human civilization?
This sounds like a load of PC crap to me. I wish Cameron would have done this
movie, at least he has a track record of Science Fiction. Ah well, put me
down for a negative vote for this one. I freaking hate remakes anyhow. Oh
sorry, rethinks. Well maybe the studio should rethink doing this!

> Sigh. Those aren't apes! Apes are chimpanzees, orangutans,

gorillas,

> and gibbons. The rest are monkeys, which aren't the same thing.

Sure. But the original book was called Monkey Planet. The original
scripts for the 1968 film featured baboons. I'm sure they'd change
the title if they didn't have a franchise to exploit.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 09, 2000 6:07 AM
Subject: [pota] Hey!

Hey!

Does anyone know when JAG comes on!

hehehe!!!

 

Just kidding.

 

Alex

 

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Hi, I've just signed on. ( No longer lurking out in the trees ) My names's
Jeff Doten. I'm a fulltime illustrator and long time ape fan. I'm both eager
and edgy about the new apes movie. I guess my point of view is wait and see.
I'm somewhat open to changes, as I know if I filmed a new ape movie make
changes - but I'd probably start with with the existing presidents and go in
new directions, expand upon what has been done. On the other hand, the
movies are such a change from the novel ( which I havne't read in probably
25 years ) that I view them all as ' a take on a theme'. As an illustrator,
I adapt someone elses words and some of me is always there, a film maker is
no differant. Anyways, I'm the kind of guy who used to do up his own ape
makeup in my early teens and with a friend, go to the Dairy Queen. That
should say it all - Jeff

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:06:16 EDT LordTZer0@... writes:

>I don't know how we got off topic. But if you don't like it then why
>don't you contribute something interesting to discuss instead of bailing

>like a couple of losers. If that's you're attitude I say good riddance.

I was just >responding to someone else.


But the thing is, people HAVE been contributing things to discuss, it's
just that no one picks up on them. A couple of weeks back I wrote a post
with something like nine different topics. Aside from a few people
sending in their list of favorites, there was absolutely no response. And
it was all on topic stuff too. A few weeks before that I made a post
about a review I did on the BENEATH soundtrack (and this was on a major
music website no less) and I heard nothing about it. Mark Gould posts the
prologue to his Apes novel and gets nary a response. But when someone
makes a mention about an Ape penis, 50 people chime in.

Can't say I blame those that left, and I don't think it was because of
the off-topic stuff. More like the lack of response/lack of discussion of
the ON topic stuff.


Chris L.
____

Hi Guys...

I guess I'm back as long as we can keep the topic on POTA stuff. I
really enjoyed the conversations early on (even the ones that disagreed
with ideas that I had) but to be perfectly honest I have never even
heard of JAG. I would really like good thought provoking commentary
on what I believe is one of the most thought provoking Sci Fi
presentation(s) ever. So enough said on that... I especially liked
the different web pages and offerings of the various groupmembers and
all of the ideas for the new remake. There is much to talk; share; learn
from this group so I'm back.

OH Yeah... Happy 76th Birthday Charlton (George Taylor) Heston!!!!!!!
You have always been one of my heroes..:)

Larry
_____________

In a message dated 10/9/00 2:27:12 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< OH Yeah... Happy 76th Birthday Charlton (George Taylor) Heston!!!!!!!
You have always been one of my heroes..:) >>

For some good apes stuff, go to Egroups and read my short story Freak. It's
there for all members to read.

Hi Jeff,

Full time illustrator, aye? Would you like to contribute any Ape related art
to the Fan Art pages of APEMANIA.COM? There's always room for more...

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM



Jeff Doten wrote:

> Hi, I've just signed on. ( No longer lurking out in the trees ) My names's
> Jeff Doten. I'm a fulltime illustrator and long time ape fan. I'm both eager
> and edgy about the new apes movie. I guess my point of view is wait and see.
> I'm somewhat open to changes, as I know if I filmed a new ape movie make
> changes - but I'd probably start with with the existing presidents and go in
> new directions, expand upon what has been done. On the other hand, the
> movies are such a change from the novel ( which I havne't read in probably
> 25 years ) that I view them all as ' a take on a theme'. As an illustrator,
> I adapt someone elses words and some of me is always there, a film maker is
> no differant. Anyways, I'm the kind of guy who used to do up his own ape
> makeup in my early teens and with a friend, go to the Dairy Queen. That
> should say it all - Jeff
>
>

> Can't say I blame those that left, and I don't think it was because of
> the off-topic stuff. More like the lack of response/lack of discussion of
> the ON topic stuff.
>
>
> Chris L.

Things that make you go Hummm!
Very well put.

Alex

Hi Brian - I'm pretty swamped at the moment, but I have had a painting I've
been thinking of doing of Cornelius pondering big thoughts at his desk, or
maybe something else all together. It may happen though. Thanks for asking.
Oh, I've really enjoyed going through APEMANIA.COM, very cool stuff. Good to
meet you - Jeff


At 12:21 PM 10/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi Jeff,
>
>Full time illustrator, aye? Would you like to contribute any Ape related art
>to the Fan Art pages of APEMANIA.COM? There's always room for more...
>
>Brian Penikas
>Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM
>
>
>
>Jeff Doten wrote:
>
>> Hi, I've just signed on. ( No longer lurking out in the trees ) My names's
>> Jeff Doten. I'm a fulltime illustrator and long time ape fan. I'm both eager
>> and edgy about the new apes movie. I guess my point of view is wait and see.
>> I'm somewhat open to changes, as I know if I filmed a new ape movie make
>> changes - but I'd probably start with with the existing presidents and go in
>> new directions, expand upon what has been done. On the other hand, the
>> movies are such a change from the novel ( which I havne't read in probably
>> 25 years ) that I view them all as ' a take on a theme'. As an illustrator,
>> I adapt someone elses words and some of me is always there, a film maker is
>> no differant. Anyways, I'm the kind of guy who used to do up his own ape
>> makeup in my early teens and with a friend, go to the Dairy Queen. That
>> should say it all - Jeff
>>
>>

If technology and budget allowed, there would have been more species of
primates in the original and there would also have been helicopters, ape
planes and land vehicles (and script writers who actually WATCHED the
previous movies!!!!). Get over it!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil [pjn1209@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2000 0:22
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Corona remake news

> Sigh. Those aren't apes! Apes are chimpanzees, orangutans,

gorillas,

> and gibbons. The rest are monkeys, which aren't the same thing.

Sure. But the original book was called Monkey Planet. The original
scripts for the 1968 film featured baboons. I'm sure they'd change
the title if they didn't have a franchise to exploit.

> Can't say I blame those that left, and I don't think it was because

of

> the off-topic stuff. More like the lack of response/lack of

discussion of

> the ON topic stuff.

The solution I found was to go to egroups, change my preferences so
that I don't receive emails, but rather can browse the posts on the
egroups website. Much easier to avoid the off-topic stuff, which is
usually identifiable by the poster. This means I miss ALL said
person's posts, but hey.

In a message dated 10/9/00 4:45:14 PM, whitty@... writes:

<< If technology and budget allowed, there would have been more species of
primates in the original and there would also have been helicopters, ape
planes and land vehicles (and script writers who actually WATCHED the
previous movies!!!!). Get over it! >>

The technology was there. If you watch Behind the Planet of the Apes, the
excellent documentary on AMC, they showed in the test footage (accompanied by
music from Lost in Space!) helos used in the hunt and cars. By the way
you're "Get over it" comment is unnecessary. You really don't have the right
to tell anyone that. A little politeness goes a long way. We're all supposed
to be friends here and respect each others opinions.

An interesting blooper in Planet. Watch when the ship has crashed. They show
a nice show of it in the lake but THE HATCH IS ALREADY BLOWN. Then they cut
inside and Taylor says, "Blow the hatch before we lose the power." Then they
show the hatch blown! On a personal point, it was a pretty poor design and
showed little forethought on the engineers part not to plan for anything like
a water landing. Or did the ANSA scientists know a little more about the
target planet than they thought? Just a thought.

>By the way
> you're "Get over it" comment is unnecessary. You really don't have the

right

> to tell anyone that. A little politeness goes a long way. We're all

supposed

> to be friends here and respect each others opinions.

Children pleeease! Let us behave!
If not for us, for the little ones.... :-(

Alex

I just clipped this off FilmForce - Jeff

Hellooooo! It was starting to feel like one of those British Airways
commercials. "Where is everybody!?!?!?" Anyhow, it's good to see POTA Posts
again. I don't know about all these species they're planning on. I got
Jabba's Palace in the back of my head. (And we all know how uncomfortable
THAT can be!) I know they got the technology to do it, but it doesn't
necessarily mean that they should. Like I've said all along, the script's got
to work. Otherwise, there will be trouble. Go Apes, John

DO'H!

In a message dated 10/9/00 8:01:23 PM, byruiz@... writes:

<< Children pleeease! Let us behave!
If not for us, for the little ones.... >>

I'm always on my best behavior when I send/respond to messages. I just find
rudeness intolerable and people who can't be polite shouldn't post.
Chimps Rule!
Say, are Bonobo's going to be in the rethinking? How about Politicians?
Aren't they a species of proto-primate?

> Wow, the first comments from someone not involved in the film and they

sound

> pretty positive. Sounds like this jibes with the info. Coming Attractions
> got the other day about how Burton wants more than just the traditional
> three species represented in the film. The big question still remains: is
> the script any good? Guess we'll have to wait a bit for that.

That's why I don't say a word about this new film anymore, simply because I
know this is going to be one kick ass film! (I can just feel it) But for
some it's hard letting go of the past, but for myself I look foward to the
future of apes.

Alex

> DO'H!

DO'H-HO'H?

Hi group,

Masks!? Did I hear that right? Someone mentioned something about
seeing hundreds of masks for the new movie. Part of what made the original
so great was that they didn't use masks, or at least that's what I always
thought. By just using some appliances and great make-up, John Chambers was
able to make some realistic looking ape faces, that were able to show
emotions, facial gestures, and were extremely innovative. In Beneath, they
used masks in the background and it was obvious and obnoxious (in Behind
they say it was for budget reasons). So, I don't quite understand how masks
could be better than Chambers work in the original(s). Can anyone clarify,
especially people who's seen these masks?




Ross (Dr. Milo)

Smoothness is all....

_____________

I wouldn't get too worried about the word "masks" in some guys quick report
of what he's seen. He might not even know the word Prosthetics. - Jeff

At 07:53 PM 10/09/2000 CDT, you wrote:

>Hi group,
>
> Masks!? Did I hear that right? Someone mentioned something about
>seeing hundreds of masks for the new movie. Part of what made the original
>so great was that they didn't use masks, or at least that's what I always
>thought. By just using some appliances and great make-up, John Chambers was
>able to make some realistic looking ape faces, that were able to show
>emotions, facial gestures, and were extremely innovative. In Beneath, they
>used masks in the background and it was obvious and obnoxious (in Behind
>they say it was for budget reasons). So, I don't quite understand how masks
>could be better than Chambers work in the original(s). Can anyone clarify,
>especially people who's seen these masks?
>
>
>
>
>Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
>Smoothness is all....
>
>_____________

In a message dated 10/9/00 9:03:09 PM, dotenj@... writes:

<< Masks!? Did I hear that right? Someone mentioned something about

>seeing hundreds of masks for the new movie. Part of what made the original
>so great was that they didn't use masks, >>

They did indeed use masks in the originals. Watch the council scene in
Beneath, some of the gorillas are clearly wearing over the head masks. Only
the main characters, those who got clear closeup and lots of screen time wore
the prosthetics.

I'm still here...I'll never leave, JAG reference notwithstanding!!!!!!
*Lynne*

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] Is There Anybody Out There?
>Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 08:38:34 +1000
>
>So who do we still have in the group? Can we have a show of hands?
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
>Sent: Friday, 6 October 2000 21:13
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] What happened?
>
>What has happened to this group?
>Hey, if it's me I'll unsubscripe right now!
>

_____________

> I'm still here...I'll never leave, JAG reference notwithstanding!!!!!!

All hail JAG!! All hail JAG!!

I mean APES!

Alex

.html*Lynne*

 

>From: Jeff Doten

>

>Hi, I've just signed on. ( No longer lurking out in the trees ) My names's

>Jeff Doten. I'm a fulltime illustrator and long time ape fan. I'm both eager

>and edgy about the new apes movie. I guess my point of view is wait and see.

>I'm somewhat open to changes, as I know if I filmed a new ape movie make

>changes - but I'd probably start with with the existing presidents and go in

>new directions, expand upon what has been done. On the other hand, the

>movies are such a change from the novel ( which I havne't read in probably

>25 years ) that I view them all as ' a take on a theme'. As an illustrator,

>I adapt someone elses words and some of me is always there, a film maker is

>no differant. Anyways, I'm the kind of guy who used to do up his own ape

>makeup in my early teens and with a friend, go to the Dairy Queen. That

>should say it all - Jeff

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In a message dated 10/09/2000 6:27:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< THE HATCH IS ALREADY BLOWN. Then they cut
inside and Taylor says, "Blow the hatch before we lose the power." Then they
show the hatch blown! >>


Hey, Get over it! Or get under it and be run over by it. Or better still
get behind it.
No, only kidding. I'd like to be behind it, but there's so many of them dang
monkeys.
Yes, I'm back! Sorry about the lurking. I was just waiting to see who was
still here.
Another good blooper is when Chuck throws down on the soldiers. First the
sling is under his hand, then it's hanging, then it's back under his hand
again. I was reminded of it the first time I saw the crazy Irishman in the
woods from Braveheart. First his hair is in his face, then its' not, then it
is. Now where's the gal that's in charge of continuity? I have a bone to
pick with that dame, then I don't then I do...

In a message dated 10/09/2000 2:24:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
apeman@... writes:

<< Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM

>>

Hey Brian,
Congrats! I saw a picture of you and your lady friend in the Weekly World
News. Not that I read that rag mag of a scandle sheet! Well, except in the
bathroom. You know it has the eighth lagest circulation! My apologies to
Mike Myers movie mum from So I Married an Axe Murderer if I got the number
wrong.

In a message dated 10/09/2000 7:27:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< Say, are Bonobo's going to be in the rethinking? >>

Judgeing from her promiscuous nature I'd say the princess must be one.
By the way, I've seen it spelled Bonobo and Binobo. Is one more correct than
the other? What's the current wisdom on this?

Sorry forgot to spell check. And speaking of that... My checker has it Binobos
Judging from her promiscuous nature I'd say the princess must be one.
By the way, I've seen it spelled Bonobo and Binobo. Is one more correct than
the other? What's the current wisdom on this?

In a message dated 10/09/2000 12:15:46 PM Central Daylight Time,
dotenj@... writes:

<< I'm both eager and edgy about the new apes movie. >>

I think that says it, for all of us. We all want something we can be proud
to add to our Ape collections, and not something that reeks of the last
couple of Islands of Dr. Moreau's.

I just wish they wouldn't monkey around with an Apes flick. I'll be rooting
for the Chimps as usual, no matter who they're sleeping with.

Hey, I really did ask you VERY politely to get over it. Have you had a bad
experience with the phrase "Get over it"? Impolite would be if I started
name calling or being judgemental - I simply reacted to your "freak out" by
suggesting you get over it. Maybe it is a cultural thing - Aussies invite
each other to get over things all the time. There was no personal slur
intended. You decided to give you view (and a very detailed one at that)
and I really think you are over reacting (and hence the suggestion that you
get over it).

By the way, your comments about Burton being a schmuck are far from polite
and there are those of us who like his stuff. Hope you'll respect our right
to have an opinion.

Chimps might rule, but I saw a documentary recently where a gang of chimps
in the wild hunted, killed and ate a baby monkey. It reminded me that no
one ever specified "ape shall never kill monkey" - maybe that's why Burton
is using the monkeys - as sacrifices!?!?!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2000 10:27
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Corona remake news


In a message dated 10/9/00 8:01:23 PM, byruiz@... writes:

<< Children pleeease! Let us behave!
If not for us, for the little ones.... >>

I'm always on my best behavior when I send/respond to messages. I just find
rudeness intolerable and people who can't be polite shouldn't post.
Chimps Rule!
Say, are Bonobo's going to be in the rethinking? How about Politicians?
Aren't they a species of proto-primate?

The technology I refer to is that which effectively makes a monkey look
realistic. The budget I refer to is that which would allow the apes to
drive machines and not horses and carts.

I am not commanding you to get over it, but I would suggest you do. You may
choose to ignore my suggestion, as I may choose to ignore yours. I tell my
wife to get over it all the time and I married her. I respect your opinion
and I think there is a good chance you could be right that the film makers
should concentrate on the 3 Ape groups previously identified. But there
were numerous flaws in all the Apes movies and if the makers were all still
alive I bet they would pounce on the opportunity to make a "Special Edition"
with better continuity and, just MAYBE, more species.

I have my doubt about how it will work, but who knows until we see it?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2000 9:26
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Corona remake news


In a message dated 10/9/00 4:45:14 PM, whitty@... writes:

<< If technology and budget allowed, there would have been more species of
primates in the original and there would also have been helicopters, ape
planes and land vehicles (and script writers who actually WATCHED the
previous movies!!!!). Get over it! >>

The technology was there. If you watch Behind the Planet of the Apes, the
excellent documentary on AMC, they showed in the test footage (accompanied
by
music from Lost in Space!) helos used in the hunt and cars. By the way
you're "Get over it" comment is unnecessary. You really don't have the right
to tell anyone that. A little politeness goes a long way. We're all supposed
to be friends here and respect each others opinions.

An interesting blooper in Planet. Watch when the ship has crashed. They show
a nice show of it in the lake but THE HATCH IS ALREADY BLOWN. Then they cut
inside and Taylor says, "Blow the hatch before we lose the power." Then they
show the hatch blown! On a personal point, it was a pretty poor design and
showed little forethought on the engineers part not to plan for anything
like
a water landing. Or did the ANSA scientists know a little more about the
target planet than they thought? Just a thought.

A lot of good points here.

I think the TV Series had HUGE potential (sub plots with new hidden cities
with super computers, a disc to reveal more secrets, on and on goes the
potential). What a shame it flopped.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Harrison [pasta@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 October 2000 15:08
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] pota mish-mosh

everyone jumped ship? hey, come on, i just joined the group! anyway, watched
the entire tv series straight through, all 14 episodes, this past saturday.
items for discussion:
1) the main focal point was at first the disk from the virdon and burke's
ship....how to use it to get home....then all mention of it is GONE!!!!
hmmmmmm....forgot all about it after the gladiators and the legacy, i
suppose???
2) no continuity at all......anything that happens is hardly, if ever
mentioned again......getting shot and almost dying is no big deal, i
guess...(virdon in the surgeon)
3) virdon pretty much forgets he has a wife and son, while burke only misses
getting laid apparently....nil character development????
4) for fugitives, our heroes, virdon burke and galen don't seem to have too
many qualms about heading back to central city whenever they please..where
are zauis and urko for most of the series' later episodes..especially
zauis????
5) no matter how far the boys run, they can always get back to the city in
30 minutes or less...also, they go in whatever direction they please.....
6) in the tyrant, in urko's office, or is it zaius', there is an x and a
skull on a map drawn on the stone wall..is this the forbidden zone?? why was
this never exoanded upon????
7) there exist cities of rubble from prior civilazations.never expounded
upon.....how do the apes explain them??? old ape cities???? do all apes know
man was the master before??? apparently not.....but....
8) DOGS?????????????????????

okay, enough slamming the series, i love it to death, but gotta wonder about
a lot of its content.best explanation posted a while back....it's all taking
place in an alternate time line, and is therefore seperate from the 5 films
like the cartoon obviously is....but hell, the writing could have still been
a damn sight sharper....... imho, one of the best eps is the
liberator.....but hey, what do you all think???
pete h
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross D. <smoothrt@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 08, 2000 9:47 PM
Subject: [pota] pota mish-mosh

>Hey everyone,
>
> For once, I'm actually caught up in all my e-mails, a very rare thing
>for me. I've been a member of this group for a pretty long time

relatively,

>a couple of years maybe. I used to be a lot more active when it comes to
>posting, but for the past several months, I get so backed up, I usually

just

>end up reading and enjoying them. I feel bad that some of the people who's
>posts I value a lot left, and I hope this downward trend of the group
>ceases. Hopefully, we can all just talk about POTA in peace. Okay, enough
>of that stuff.
> I never shared my ranking of all the pota movies. Here they are:
>
>Planet
>Beneath
>Conquest
>Battle
>Escape
>
>If all the good, deleted Battle scense were left like the Alpha Omega bomb
>ones were left, I would definitely move Battle up to third, possibly even
>second. Escape's good and all, don't get me wrong, but it's just not as
>political, deep, and exiciting as the others, in my opinion. All five are
>still my five favorite movies of all time.
>
> I know I'm definitely going to see the new movie very shortly after it
>comes out, probably opening day/night. I also feel I'll be utterly
>dissapointed, despite my attempts of not having hope. We all hold the
>original series so dear to our hearts (I know, that's corny), and I don't
>think Tim Burton and Mark Wahlberg will be able to produce something that
>comes even close. I hope I'm deal wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. Adding
>more apes sounds like it could just make it confusing. Also, part of what
>made POTA was so special was the underlying politics plot. I don't think
>the new one will contain any hidden meanings. I really liked the three
>different ape species in the first movie, and how each one represented a
>different social class. With more ape species in the new one, that shows
>automatically one political element that will be eliminated. How many

more,

>who knows?
>
> One more thing I have to ask. Mr. Kreuger, I very highly value your
>posts. Sure, I like all the "old" and "new" people like Philip, Alex,
>Lordzter, Loc, Lynne, Larry, etc.... I respect everone who adds something.
>But you always seem to have special insight and info for news and details.
>May I ask how you know so much stuff, and so many important people, and
>hear all this news? It really amazes me.
>
> Well, I've made this e-mail way too long, I'm sorry. I'll try to keep
>my e-mails shorter with more "pota meat" in them from now on. Good night

to

>all, and a wish of a good holy holiday for all those on the list to whom
>that applies to!
>
>
>
>
>Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
>Smoothness is all....
>
>
>P.S. Does anyone out there know of a pota necktie that was ever made,
>existed, anything? I'd love to have one to wear to formal occasions, so if
>there's one for sale somewhere, I'd grab it an instant! I can just imagine
>a tie with Dr Zaius, back turned, peering over his shoulder out at you.
>Just a though. As always, any info much appreciated!
>_____________

Yes--

But how do you all feel about the suspense flick,

The JAGged Edge...?

--- In pota@egroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:

>
> The technology was there. If you watch Behind the Planet of the

Apes, the

> excellent documentary on AMC, they showed in the test footage

(accompanied by

> music from Lost in Space!) helos used in the hunt and cars.

Those were drawings . . .

Whoa.. Wait just a minute...

On the point regarding the hatch being blown first... eh oh well
they were on a tight budjet of both time and money and I really
dig the fly by shot which is what I believe that you are referencing.
The shot itself fits nicely as it then pans off to show the bleakness of
the planet they are about to enhabit.

As for the forethought of the design...

1) The ship was designed off of what was then the standard spacevehicle
of the time, or the Gemini project. Please remember that we are
talking of 1967 technology.

2) Regarding the ships design. (Please bear with me for a moment)
The ship was completely automated and "we wern't programmed to land in
the water" was Landons statement. From the artists conceptions of
what the ship might have looked like, there is a well known artists
rendering of it on tricycle style skids on its belly. It was of a
lifting body design which is the most logical design for reentry/reuse
vehicle due to the minimal use of thin wings which fail to dissapate
heat very well and are not very rugged when one thinks of a reentry/
reuse vehicle.

3) Theoretical physics dictates that as physical mass approaches the
speed of light (which is what we have) the vehicle streches and elongates.
Therefore a ship which would already be designed in a
shape which would have the least problems achieving that streched out
shape would be the most logical.

4) There are other points, but I have to get back to work now.

Larry

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Corona remake news
>Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:25:32 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 10/9/00 4:45:14 PM, whitty@... writes:
>
><< If technology and budget allowed, there would have been more species of
>primates in the original and there would also have been helicopters, ape
>planes and land vehicles (and script writers who actually WATCHED the
>previous movies!!!!). Get over it! >>
>
>The technology was there. If you watch Behind the Planet of the Apes, the
>excellent documentary on AMC, they showed in the test footage (accompanied
>by
>music from Lost in Space!) helos used in the hunt and cars. By the way
>you're "Get over it" comment is unnecessary. You really don't have the
>right
>to tell anyone that. A little politeness goes a long way. We're all
>supposed
>to be friends here and respect each others opinions.
>
>An interesting blooper in Planet. Watch when the ship has crashed. They
>show
>a nice show of it in the lake but THE HATCH IS ALREADY BLOWN. Then they cut
>inside and Taylor says, "Blow the hatch before we lose the power." Then
>they
>show the hatch blown! On a personal point, it was a pretty poor design and
>showed little forethought on the engineers part not to plan for anything
>like
>a water landing. Or did the ANSA scientists know a little more about the
>target planet than they thought? Just a thought.

_____________

Which Weekly World News are you talking about? (not the one where they mistook
me for the BatBoy I hope)
I haven't heard about this. Can you scan the foto and send it to me direct?

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/09/2000 2:24:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
> apeman@... writes:
>
> << Brian Penikas
> Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM
> >>
>
> Hey Brian,
> Congrats! I saw a picture of you and your lady friend in the Weekly World
> News. Not that I read that rag mag of a scandle sheet! Well, except in the
> bathroom. You know it has the eighth lagest circulation! My apologies to
> Mike Myers movie mum from So I Married an Axe Murderer if I got the number
> wrong.
>

Ditto. Open mouthed "background" masks were used throughout the first and
second films. Just look at some of those sad simians chuicking fruit at Chuck
in the town square! And the infamous "folded face" chimp sittingnext to Zira in
the bleachers during Beneath!

B

Mithril1960@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/9/00 9:03:09 PM, dotenj@... writes:
>
> << Masks!? Did I hear that right? Someone mentioned something about
> >seeing hundreds of masks for the new movie. Part of what made the original
> >so great was that they didn't use masks, >>
>
> They did indeed use masks in the originals. Watch the council scene in
> Beneath, some of the gorillas are clearly wearing over the head masks. Only
> the main characters, those who got clear closeup and lots of screen time wore
> the prosthetics.
>

Ok... For the rest of my points...

4) Regarding other aspects such as what the "ANSA" scientists knew about
the planet that they were sending them to... Well, liquid water is one
of the rarest elements in the universe (mind you one of, not the rarest)
and to plan for a water landing on a planet which in most instances would
be a barren wasteland would be (in my opinion) a waste of useable resources.

5) Of course, there were other aspects which I thought could have been
more thoroughly thought out. For instance...
a) If you were planning a mission where they would be repopulating
the planet, then why would you use 3 males and 1 female? It would
seem to me that you would need the reverse in order to avoid
the side effects of inbreeding...
b) The ship seemed inadequate for their mission in the fact that
I saw very little useable equipment aboard unless it was stowed
out of sight.
c) The whole idea of a primitive Ape society resurfacing the vessel,
restoring it to flight status, actually achieving orbit, and
being knowlegable to piolot it to the logical outcome which was
a landing in "modern" earth? Professor Milo was indeed a genious.

6) On the last deal... Perhaps the ship was made out of a material which
was much stronger that we can percieve and they simply "sat" in the vehicle
until it was propelled by the force of the earths destruction...?
Or the force of the explosion actually was strong enough to "tear" the
space time continuum... I havent really thought about that point in
depth but I believe it could stand some thought...

7) Additionally, the second flight "Brent" consisted of the same style
ship which actually did achieve the dry landing but was completely damaged
due to the terrain. As a private piolot student, I know how
hard it is to obtain a good spot for a landing if having trouble. Perhaps
the computers were not robust enough to make the logical outcomes to these
equations... Or in Taylors case the most logical outcome was to ditch in the
water.

There are other points which could be enumerated, but as the honorable
Dr. Zaius would say "It would be conjecture!... not proof!)

The most important thing that I like about the ship is the "Coolness" factor
of its design. It is just a sexy looking ship in my opinion.

Larry

>From: "Larry Montgomery" <uscha_dierdorff@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Corona remake news
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:19:48 CDT
>
>Whoa.. Wait just a minute...
>
>On the point regarding the hatch being blown first... eh oh well
>they were on a tight budjet of both time and money and I really
>dig the fly by shot which is what I believe that you are referencing.
>The shot itself fits nicely as it then pans off to show the bleakness of
>the planet they are about to enhabit.
>
>As for the forethought of the design...
>
>1) The ship was designed off of what was then the standard spacevehicle
>of the time, or the Gemini project. Please remember that we are
>talking of 1967 technology.
>
>2) Regarding the ships design. (Please bear with me for a moment)
>The ship was completely automated and "we wern't programmed to land in
>the water" was Landons statement. From the artists conceptions of
>what the ship might have looked like, there is a well known artists
>rendering of it on tricycle style skids on its belly. It was of a
>lifting body design which is the most logical design for reentry/reuse
>vehicle due to the minimal use of thin wings which fail to dissapate
>heat very well and are not very rugged when one thinks of a reentry/
>reuse vehicle.
>
>3) Theoretical physics dictates that as physical mass approaches the
>speed of light (which is what we have) the vehicle streches and elongates.
>Therefore a ship which would already be designed in a
>shape which would have the least problems achieving that streched out
>shape would be the most logical.
>
>4) There are other points, but I have to get back to work now.
>
>Larry
>
>
> >From: Mithril1960@...
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: pota@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Corona remake news
> >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:25:32 EDT
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 10/9/00 4:45:14 PM, whitty@... writes:
> >
> ><< If technology and budget allowed, there would have been more species
>of
> >primates in the original and there would also have been helicopters, ape
> >planes and land vehicles (and script writers who actually WATCHED the
> >previous movies!!!!). Get over it! >>
> >
> >The technology was there. If you watch Behind the Planet of the Apes, the
> >excellent documentary on AMC, they showed in the test footage
>(accompanied
> >by
> >music from Lost in Space!) helos used in the hunt and cars. By the way
> >you're "Get over it" comment is unnecessary. You really don't have the
> >right
> >to tell anyone that. A little politeness goes a long way. We're all
> >supposed
> >to be friends here and respect each others opinions.
> >
> >An interesting blooper in Planet. Watch when the ship has crashed. They
> >show
> >a nice show of it in the lake but THE HATCH IS ALREADY BLOWN. Then they
>cut
> >inside and Taylor says, "Blow the hatch before we lose the power." Then
> >they
> >show the hatch blown! On a personal point, it was a pretty poor design
>and
> >showed little forethought on the engineers part not to plan for anything
> >like
> >a water landing. Or did the ANSA scientists know a little more about the
> >target planet than they thought? Just a thought.
>
>_____________

_____________

...AND OF COURSE the stunt guys on horseback wore masks as well.




Mithril1960@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/9/00 9:03:09 PM, dotenj@... writes:
>
> << Masks!? Did I hear that right? Someone mentioned something about
> >seeing hundreds of masks for the new movie. Part of what made the original
> >so great was that they didn't use masks, >>
>
> They did indeed use masks in the originals. Watch the council scene in
> Beneath, some of the gorillas are clearly wearing over the head masks. Only
> the main characters, those who got clear closeup and lots of screen time wore
> the prosthetics.
>

On topic...who can we get into contact with to get standees made of POTA? I
mean, Bab5 and Star Trek have them, why can't we? Hell, Star Wars has
them!! I want Apes!!!
*Lynne*
_____________

Good idea Lynne. I'm sure Fox will have the corporate merchandise machine
rolling out standees on the remake. I would check out the ads for standees in
sci-fi mags. Could probably track down the manufacturer that way. John

Here is my Top Five POTA Flicks. Just for the hell of it. 1)POTA
The Citizen Kane of the Series. Good, solid script. Flawlessly
executed. The Crash. The Hunt. The Ape City Chase. Lady Liberty.
Roddy, Kim & Maurice at their simian best. Chuck being Chuck. And
Linda! It doesn't get any better than that. 2)BENEATH. Cool in a
retro-fifties monster flick kinda way. Mutants living underground
worshipping a nuclear bomb in St. Patricks. Apes running around the
subway. Nova writhing on the floor in the middle of Grand Central
Station. I've seen some things in my NYC commuting days, but never
anything like that! 3) ESCAPE. Nice twist, making them humans all
intelligent n' stuff. Has a funky 70's TV feel to it. Could see
Cornelius & Zira teaming up with Starsky & Hutch to fight crime. Or
something. 4)CONQUEST. A real riot. Really. Urban angst to the nth
degree. Love the gorillas messing with them yuppies before all hell
broke loose. Interesting for Natalie Trundy completing her
mutant/human/ape trifecta. 5) BATTLE. Got to admit, the series kinda
staggered to the finish line with this one. I think it's the only
time Paul Williams, Lew Ayeres AND John Houston appeared in the same
film together. Oh, what might have been! Go Apes, John

In a message dated 10/9/00 10:54:07 PM, byruiz@... writes:

<< > I'm still here...I'll never leave, JAG reference notwithstanding!!!!!!

All hail JAG!! All hail JAG!!

I mean APES!

Alex >>

These one line messages are annoying and senseless plus they take valuable
time to read. How about some messages with substance, eh?

In a message dated 10/10/00 5:28:33 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I think that says it, for all of us. We all want something we can be
proud
to add to our Ape collections, and not something that reeks of the last
couple of Islands of Dr. Moreau's. >>

Every party has a pooper and that's me. I'm against the idea, I protest the
idea and I wish they would have let Cameron do it. At least he knows science
fiction. I have no hope for this film and I won't change my mind one bit
until either a) I read a script (I don't mind spoilers, myself) or b) I see
some footage. I'm a doubting thomas and that's that.

In a message dated 10/10/00 8:02:07 AM, whitty@... writes:

<< By the way, your comments about Burton being a schmuck are far from polite
and there are those of us who like his stuff. Hope you'll respect our right
to have an opinion.
I guess I left out that I like Burton (loved Sleepy Hollow, Pee Wee and
Scissorhands), but I doubt his ability to do SF (I left out Nightmare, loved
that too). He may fool me and I respect others opinions so I expect the same.
I'm not going to put IMO on everything, the fact that I wrote the message
should make that clear, no?

Thanks for the heads up on aussie slang, now I'm less ignorant (and that is
not sarcasm!)

Chimps might rule, but I saw a documentary recently where a gang of chimps
in the wild hunted, killed and ate a baby monkey. It reminded me that no
one ever specified "ape shall never kill monkey" - maybe that's why Burton
is using the monkeys - as sacrifices!?!?! >>

I knew this a long time ago! Baby Baboon is one of Chimps favorite foods. In
fact of the great apes, Chimps are the only regular meat eaters! In the
original shooting script for Escape, when Cornelius says, "Apes do not kill
apes," one of the interrogators threatens to show him films of just that!
Although technically Corny is right, since monkeys are not apes...

In a message dated 10/10/00 8:02:58 AM, whitty@... writes:

<< But there
were numerous flaws in all the Apes movies and if the makers were all still
alive I bet they would pounce on the opportunity to make a "Special Edition"
with better continuity and, just MAYBE, more species. >>

I don't know if Fox will ever get the idea here. They released Apes on DVD
and didn't include the great, uncut version of Battle! It's a much better
film with these scenes of the Alpha Omega bomb in it.

In a message dated 10/10/00 10:30:14 AM, pjn1209@... writes:

<< Those were drawings . . >>

They were still being planned until the script and budget got revised.

In a message dated 10/10/00 1:00:34 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< 6) On the last deal... Perhaps the ship was made out of a material which
was much stronger that we can perceive and they simply "sat" in the vehicle
until it was propelled by the force of the earths destruction...?
Or the force of the explosion actually was strong enough to "tear" the
space time continuum... I havent really thought about that point in
depth but I believe it could stand some thought.. >>

Perhaps the ship, which was of lifting body design was launched by Milo in a
way not unlike the ship in When Worlds Collide? A scaffolding would be easy
to construct since the apes did have metallurgical abilities. Originally
there were shots filmed of the Apes inside the capsule for Escape, but they
were cut.

Say, Does anyone else have Archive 1 of the Planet of the Apes trading cards
by Skybox? They are really well done and tell a lot of interesting stuff!

In a message dated 10/10/00 1:00:34 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< b) The ship seemed inadequate for their mission in the fact that
I saw very little useable equipment aboard unless it was stowed
out of sight. >>

Perhaps the ship had a second stage that remained in orbit when they reached
the planet. We really don't know since all we saw was the lander, which was
likely made to achieve reentry. Why bother with reentry unless you have
something to reach in orbit?

> These one line messages are annoying and senseless plus they take valuable
> time to read. How about some messages with substance, eh?

Better than reading negative and mindless posts, eh?

[Unable to display image]

I agree and I hope that (even if it means we gotta buy 'em all AGAIN) Fox do
one day release a new box set with deleted scenes/alternate scenes etc.

Michael

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Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2000 12:35
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Corona remake news


In a message dated 10/10/00 8:02:58 AM, whitty@... writes:

<< But there
were numerous flaws in all the Apes movies and if the makers were all still
alive I bet they would pounce on the opportunity to make a "Special Edition"
with better continuity and, just MAYBE, more species. >>

I don't know if Fox will ever get the idea here. They released Apes on DVD
and didn't include the great, uncut version of Battle! It's a much better
film with these scenes of the Alpha Omega bomb in it.

Say, Does anyone else have Archive 1 of the Planet of the Apes trading cards
by Skybox? They are really well done and tell a lot of interesting stuff!


Sure do - and there is supposed to be Arhives 2 soon - on the TV Series!

Michael

These are currently being offered on Ebay. Pretty interesting stuff. The seller
is also selling photos of various test make-ups.


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=463864699

Best,
KEN

Yup that was us. I think the photo was from the 30th Anniversary Party...

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

> [Unable to display image]
>

The source is quoted as saying, "In terms of narrative, the film is inspired
by the entire series of Planet of the Apes, rather than (just) the first
film itself."

_____________

What's stranger =- the story or WB listed as co-producers?

"...In a rather interesting side note, another reliable source close to
thefilm told us a problem has arisen regarding Wahlberg's physique. It seems
that after casting the actor, Burton told the already toned star that he
could bulk up for the film.

"However it seems that Wahlberg got too buff, and that executives at Warner
Bros., co-producers with 20th Century Fox, are unhappy about the way he
looks. After being told of the problem, Wahlberg went in to meet with
Burton, who agreed with the studio and told the actor that he must shed a
little of his muscle."

Also mentions that they're looking for extras to play Apes. In Hawaii.
_____________

> What's stranger =- the story or WB listed as co-producers?
>
> "...In a rather interesting side note, another reliable source close to
> thefilm told us a problem has arisen regarding Wahlberg's physique. It

seems

> that after casting the actor, Burton told the already toned star that he
> could bulk up for the film.
>
> "However it seems that Wahlberg got too buff, and that executives at

Warner

> Bros., co-producers with 20th Century Fox, are unhappy about the way he
> looks. After being told of the problem, Wahlberg went in to meet with
> Burton, who agreed with the studio and told the actor that he must shed a
> little of his muscle."

I wonder what their going to do about those tattos of his.
This guy has a tatto of a neck chain going around his neck down to his
chest.
As well as his tattos on both arms, perhaps they'll cast him as a "punk
rocker astronaut".

I sure hope they use makeup on those.

Alex

> The source is quoted as saying, "In terms of narrative, the film is

inspired

> by the entire series of Planet of the Apes, rather than (just) the first
> film itself."

Well, if anyone can bring mutants to life, Tim is the man, I just hope he
doesn't make them too strange looking.
The Mendez clan is one of the coolest concepts about POTA, thank God Baker
is on the team. (that dude is awesome!)

Alex

In a message dated 10/11/2000 2:15:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
apeman@... writes:

<< Yup that was us. >>

Thought so.

Hello,
I can't remeber who is in charge of the list, but whoever is, could you
please unsubscribe me from the list.
Sincerely,
Chris

BlakerG@...

> Hello,
> I can't remeber who is in charge of the list, but whoever is, could you
> please unsubscribe me from the list.
> Sincerely,
> Chris

Hi Chris,
To unsubscribe from the list go to:
www.egroups.com/group/pota

There you will find the option to subscribe or unsubscribe, along with the
whole history and future posts from this egroup.

Alex

<< I think the TV Series had HUGE potential >>

Yeah, I don't think it ever reached it's full potential though, a 2nd season
may have.
Hey everyone, what were your fave 3 episodes? These get my vote.

1. The Interrogation
2. The Deception
3. The Surgeon
.

In a message dated 10/11/2000 4:10:16 PM Central Daylight Time,
pjn1209@... writes:

<< Wahlberg went in to meet with
Burton, who agreed with the studio and told the actor that he must shed a
little of his muscle." >>

Awwww...That's tough. I wish I could get paid to sit around and eat junk
food.
It would take all of a long holiday weekend to "tone down" for a film.
LOL!!!!!

escape from tomorrow
the liberator
the gladiators
-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] pota mish-mosh

>
><< I think the TV Series had HUGE potential >>
>
>Yeah, I don't think it ever reached it's full potential though, a 2nd

season

>may have.
>Hey everyone, what were your fave 3 episodes? These get my vote.
>
>1. The Interrogation
>2. The Deception
>3. The Surgeon
>.
>
>
>
>

.html The one thing that strikes me as funny is that Virdon does seem to forget he is married ( has a little fling with a teen-to-twenty year old in The Cure), and poor Pete can only get Apes! (Wanda in The Interrogation and Fauna in The Deception).

>4) for fugitives, our heroes, virdon burke and galen don't seem to have too

>many qualms about heading back to central city whenever they please..where

>are zauis and urko for most of the series' later episodes..especially

>zauis????

Out looking for the fugitives in more likely places, like broken down cities and small human villages.  Certainly they wouldn't try to get back into Central City after Zaius gave them that warning about 'the other human that tried to sneak into the city.  I had him killed.'  That should have kept them away!

5) no matter how far the boys run, they can always get back to the city in

>30 minutes or less...also, they go in whatever direction they please.....

The only episode I can remember that it didn't take 30 minutes to get back to the city was The Surgeon.  Virdon was brought in a cart, so you don't really know how far out they were.

>6) in the tyrant, in urko's office, or is it zaius', there is an x and a

>skull on a map drawn on the stone wall..is this the forbidden zone?? why was

>this never exoanded upon????

I want a copy of that map so bad!!  It would be great for role-play!  I would guess that it was the Forbidden Zone, or an area that has not exactly been explored successfully, with scouts not coming back.  I don't think the series had time to even get into that part of it.

>7) there exist cities of rubble from prior civilazations.never expounded

>upon.....how do the apes explain them??? old ape cities???? do all apes know

>man was the master before??? apparently not.....but....

I believe that this time line knows that man was superior, and they know that man can never have that position again.  So they have let them live in little groups, villages, but they are constantly being hounded and preyed upon for no reason but to keep them in line.  I think that as the time line plays out the villages get smaller and fewer between and it goes into the first movie senario.

>8) DOGS?????????????????????

 Different time line...somehow.  Instead of the dogs and cats dying off and the apes replacing them in the humans' homes, it could have went this way...Apes being trained to help handicapped individuals do the things they can't....open doors, turn pages in a book, soon leading to other things, and the non-handicapped populace seeing how successful it was, not to mention profitable, went on to capitalize on it until it was 'monstrous'(Ceasar).

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Thanks John,
I will check out standee addresses...I just hope that I can convince them
that we also want the first 5 films as well. I can think of nothing cooler
than all my favorite Apes characters all around my home office!

>From: JSe3689836@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Ape army of standees.
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:33:47 EDT
>
>Good idea Lynne. I'm sure Fox will have the corporate merchandise machine
>rolling out standees on the remake. I would check out the ads for standees
>in
>sci-fi mags. Could probably track down the manufacturer that way. John

_____________

.html Also....I got the POTA DVD today...don't have a player, yet, but the set is beautiful!!! *Lynne*

>From: "Michael Whitty"

>>Say, Does anyone else have Archive 1 of the Planet of the Apes trading cards

>by Skybox? They are really well done and tell a lot of interesting stuff!

>Sure do - and there is supposed to be Arhives 2 soon - on the TV Series!                   >Michael

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Okay, my three faves....
1) The Interogation...because it had so much out of story material. You
could write a whole story on what they left out!
2) The Surgeon...another with very rich fan story potential. Loved the
interaction of Kira and Galen.
3) The Liberator...a darker, more deeper script than what we'd seen so far.
Before this they had been light-hearted or, in some respects, predictable.
I really like the cage scene...how did they expect Burke and Virdon to
sleep tied up like that?? I know, they didn't care! Not that I'm into
bondage or anything, but I really like those collars. There was once a
company called 'Leather and Lace" that used to come to a comics con I used
to go to that sold those things. I had them at another con where I was
using them in a Star Wars role-play, and they 'mysteriously' disappeared,
never to be seen again. Bummer!! A lot of money, those!
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] pota mish-mosh
>Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:08:28 EDT
>
>
><< I think the TV Series had HUGE potential >>
>
>Yeah, I don't think it ever reached it's full potential though, a 2nd
>season
>may have.
>Hey everyone, what were your fave 3 episodes? These get my vote.
>
>1. The Interrogation
>2. The Deception
>3. The Surgeon
>.

_____________

.html The one thing that strikes me as funny is that Virdon does seem to forget he is married ( has a little fling with a teen-to-twenty year old in The Cure), and poor Pete can only get Apes! (Wanda in The Interrogation and Fauna in The Deception).

>4) for fugitives, our heroes, virdon burke and galen don't seem

to have too

>many qualms about heading back to central city whenever they

please..where

>are zauis and urko for most of the series' later

episodes..especially

>zauis????

Out looking for the fugitives in more likely places, like broken down cities and small human villages.  Certainly they wouldn't try to get back into Central City after Zaius gave them that warning about 'the other human that tried to sneak into the city.  I had him killed.'  That should have kept them away!

5) no matter how far the boys run, they can always get back to the city in

>30 minutes or less...also, they go in whatever direction they

please.....

The only episode I can remember that it didn't take 30 minutes to get back to the city was The Surgeon.  Virdon was brought in a cart, so you don't really know how far out they were.

>6) in the tyrant, in urko's office, or is it zaius', there is an x and a

>skull on a map drawn on the stone wall..is this the forbidden

zone?? why was

>this never exoanded upon????

I want a copy of that map so bad!!  It would be great for role-play!  I would guess that it was the Forbidden Zone, or an area that has not exactly been explored successfully, with scouts not coming back.  I don't think the series had time to even get into that part of it.

>7) there exist cities of rubble from prior civilazations.never expounded

>upon.....how do the apes explain them??? old ape cities???? do

all apes know

>man was the master before??? apparently not.....but....

I believe that this time line knows that man was superior, and they know that man can never have that position again.  So they have let them live in little groups, villages, but they are constantly being hounded and preyed upon for no reason but to keep them in line.  I think that as the time line plays out the villages get smaller and fewer between and it goes into the first movie senario.

>8) DOGS?????????????????????

 Different time line...somehow.  Instead of the dogs and cats dying off and the apes replacing them in the humans' homes, it could have went this way...Apes being trained to help handicapped individuals do the things they can't....open doors, turn pages in a book, soon leading to other things, and the non-handicapped populace seeing how successful it was, not to mention profitable, went on to capitalize on it until it was 'monstrous'(Ceasar).

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My three faves:

1) The Turant;
2) The Good Seeds;
3) The Trap.

Bye for now,

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>Subject: Re: [pota] Congrats Brian! Is this not you?
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