> I don't know about yous guys,
>
> But I don't know about a bunch of gibbons and mandrills running around on

the

> planet of the Apes. Yeah, sure, technically gibbons are apes, but even
> though the book was called Monkey Planet there weren't any monkeys on it!
> Just Chimps, Gorillas and Orangutans. It's not called Planet of the

Baboons

> for cryin' out loud!
> Howler monkeys? Someone's been hittin' the pipe! They've gone too far.

Why

> not have talking spider monkeys? Give 'em all giant arms and a prehensile
> tail. I don't mind them being a bit more expressive, but I don't want

them

> making a monkey of my apes! Now I am offended! And as a punk rocker,

that's

> something only this and a few of today's commercials can do. You think

Tim

> Burton's unhappy? Let me moon them with my Big Red Baboon Butt!

Don't take it so hard.

In a message dated 09/29/2000 4:26:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< Don't take it so hard. >>

Whadda Ya? Kiddin' Me? This is Standard Operational Bullshit! The studio
is going to ruin this picture! I can feel the Ewok Factor creepin' in on
this one. Now I know why Fox wants to keep the sex out of the movie, so they
can do something really immoral . . .
Sell Toys! You Maniacs! God, Damn You! . . . GOD, DAMN YOU ALL TO
HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!!
The curse of Mary Poppin's tits on you! If you do this, may you be always
hunted by the great star of 'SOB', Richard Munnigan's ghost! With a toy gun
in his hand, saying . . . OOOOooooooooo!!!!! "Don't Touch My MOVIE!"
OOOOooooooooo!!!!!

It come down to this . . .

The more gratuitous sex and violence in this film the less likely for Ewoks
to creep in. What it need is a little of the old Ultra Violence and some
Full Frontal Nudity.
Say it loud & proud . . ."We Want Gore! We Want Bush! On the hood of my car!
To quote The Duke of New York. Sounds almost political.
You knew that POTA was originally going to be a Blake Edwards project, right?
Would that it were so. Then it would have got off on, or with, the right
foot being an apes flick. . . Nova's boobs! You heard me. Forget Chuck's
bare assed scene!

> << Don't take it so hard. >>
>
> Whadda Ya? Kiddin' Me? This is Standard Operational Bullshit! The

studio

> is going to ruin this picture! I can feel the Ewok Factor creepin' in on
> this one. Now I know why Fox wants to keep the sex out of the movie, so

they

> can do something really immoral . . .
> Sell Toys! You Maniacs! God, Damn You! . . . GOD, DAMN YOU ALL TO
> HEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!!
> The curse of Mary Poppin's tits on you! If you do this, may you be always
> hunted by the great star of 'SOB', Richard Munnigan's ghost! With a toy

gun

> in his hand, saying . . . OOOOooooooooo!!!!! "Don't Touch My MOVIE!"
> OOOOooooooooo!!!!!

okie dokie.

> It come down to this . . .
>
> The more gratuitous sex and violence in this film the less likely for

Ewoks

> to creep in. What it need is a little of the old Ultra Violence and some
> Full Frontal Nudity.
> Say it loud & proud . . ."We Want Gore! We Want Bush!

You should run for president.

>If you do this, may you be always
>hunted by the great star of 'SOB', Richard Munnigan's ghost! With a toy
>gun in his hand, saying . . . OOOOooooooooo!!!!! "Don't Touch My MOVIE!"

It's Mulligan, but did you know he JUST died? Yesterday?

_____________

I'd love to, but my stereo is packed away. I only have the Planet/Escape
version, anyway. If there is someone out there who has more than this, I
would love to have copies, too!
*Lynne*

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: [pota] Soundtracks
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:25:24 EDT
>
>Say, would anyone out there with the Apes soundtracks be willing to copy
>them
>onto a cassette? I would pay postage both ways as well as send a blank
>cassette for the soundtrack as well as a blank cassette for the recorder to
>keep for themselves.

_____________

> I'd love to, but my stereo is packed away. I only have the Planet/Escape
> version, anyway. If there is someone out there who has more than this, I
> would love to have copies, too!
> *Lynne*

Well, to be honest I was thinking of making you guys some copies of the
soundtracks but on the other hand the idea of bootlegging really doesn't
seem right. But as for the "Tribute to POTA" music CD. (my own little
personal creation) is yours free for the asking.
I'm going to finish up this POTA Tribute by this weekend, so for anyone who
wishes a free copy just leave me a post at the site with mailing address.

This new CD will have about 8 tracks in total at around 4 min. + each score.
And totaly remastered from those posted on the site.
Covering the five films, T.V. Series and Cartoon Series.
Digital Sound with CD pic and Jewel Case pic.

So start posting those requests today, or forever hold your peace.

Alex

In a message dated 9/29/00 12:38:34 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Did anyone ever see Warrior of the Lost World? >>

Ah one of the lamest films ever shown on MST3000 (wish it would come back,
I'd still like to see them do Star Trek the Motion Picture). I really hated
the motorcycle he had and wished he and it would get whacked. Where was Mad
Max when we needed him. Still, it was better than Warriors of the Wasteland...

Anyone remember the 1st issue of Sci-Fi Universe magazine? It
has the Millenium Falcon on the cover. In the upper left hand corner
it has a picture of Roddy as Corneilus with the title "Oliver Stone
Revisits the Planet of the Apes" Remember that!?!?! The article is
titled "Monkey Business" and has excerpts from the POTA Revisited
book that's been brewin' for years. Talks about the suppossed Oliver
Stone remake (Think Gorillas in the Mist meet the Terminator). Has an
interesting side bar review of POTA by a dominatrix. Figured I'd post
it. Hope I don't offend anyones sensibilities. Just for fun. (And
please forgive my typing, who knows how this will turn out.)Enjoy:
PLANET OF THE APES & BLACK LEATHER by Mistress Jennifer. Anyone whose
see PLANET OF THE APES knows that the film is an S&M aficionardo's
wet dream. Filled with black leather, submissive humans and bondage,
we realized that the ideal person to review the film would be someone
who would best appreciate the movie's subtle nuances. No, not a
member of the National Rifle Association, but a fully-fledged
dominatrix. We provided Mistress Jennifer with a copy of the film,
and here are her unedited comments. "Mistress Jennifer was a little
disconcerted to find that her idea of this film classic was really a
misconception; namely , that the humans were not actually slaves,
but, in fact, far lower than that. Once she had recovered from her
surprise, the Mistress found Taylor (Charlton Heston) to be
delightfully resistant to the will of his superiors, which lead herr
to think that perhaps all that was lacking was a firm upper hand.
Really, is "Bright Eyes" an appropriate slave name for the steely
visage of the sign language impaired Taylor? And why was there all
this emphasis placed on vivisection activites (a practice your kind
Mistress usually deplores) when there could have been endless hours
of fun with the various restraining devices available? The Mistress
was especially found of the body restraint used on Taylor in the
trial scene. He must have been most uncomfortable. Watching Taylor
stripped bare and then led by means of a metal-laced choker(?)past
the court of chimps, who clearly relish their dominion over him, was
most enjoyable. Mistress Jennifer's only wish was to share the pain
and humiliation with him. The mating scene were also of great
interest to the Mistress, especially with all the implications of the
canine position. She wondered why these performances were not made
more public, and hence, more enjoyable for all. She was also unsure
about the slave quarters, which she felt should be less drafty and
sans hoses. Watersports can be fun, but there's a proper time and
place for any activity. After fast forwarding through the endless
landscape scenes to that historic finale, the Mistress found herself
mulling over her own plans for the intrepid Taylor and his lovely
mute female companion, mostly involving those wonderful chokers and
kand-knotted ladders. On a cautionary note, however, the Mistress
would like to mention that gelding, while an invaluable psychological
threat, is, in reality, disappointing at best."

In a message dated 09/29/2000 5:40:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
soylentphil@... writes:

<< It's Mulligan, but did you know he JUST died? Yesterday? >>

Pardon my spelling, I meant Mulligan.
Of course I know. He couldn't be a ghost otherwise.
For those of you who don't know, SOB is a Blake Edwards film about a guy
who's shot trying to steal back to steal back his movie with a water pistol
after the studio takes it. He had decided the only way to save it was to sex
it up, by having the star, his wife Julie Andrews, take her top off. And
after putting all his money in to re-shoot the studio shelves the film.
Hence my metaphorical joke. Not as funny if you have to explain it. What is
funny is that Julie Andrews actually is the wife of Blake Edwards.

My point exactly, Mistress Jennifer!

This is after all a new millennium, thirty years after the original, when
just seeing Chucks bum was a big deal. After all this time I'd like to see
them kick it up a couple notches. Making it an R film will at least keep the
Ewoks out of it.
Gosh Darn 'Em All To Heck!
Back then you couldn't make those kind of movies. They took all the violence
out of Conquest. And only alluded to the all sex that the good doctor was
forcing Taylor to have with Nova. Yeah right! All she had to do was put
them in the same cage!

In a message dated 9/30/00 6:49:54 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Making it an R film will at least keep the >>

youth audience out as well, which will hurt the films grosses. A film doesn't
have to be R to be good. It's doesn't have to have outrageous crap like
human/ape sex to be good, it doesn't have to have nudity to be good. Know
what it needs? A good script. The original film had no gimmicks like today
and it did and still does, rock.

I think it COULD work and I am being optimistic - so who knows until we see?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 29 September 2000 16:19
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Update News



I don't know about yous guys,

But I don't know about a bunch of gibbons and mandrills running around on
the
planet of the Apes. Yeah, sure, technically gibbons are apes, but even
though the book was called Monkey Planet there weren't any monkeys on it!
Just Chimps, Gorillas and Orangutans. It's not called Planet of the Baboons
for cryin' out loud!
Howler monkeys? Someone's been hittin' the pipe! They've gone too far.
Why
not have talking spider monkeys? Give 'em all giant arms and a prehensile
tail. I don't mind them being a bit more expressive, but I don't want them
making a monkey of my apes! Now I am offended! And as a punk rocker,
that's
something only this and a few of today's commercials can do. You think Tim
Burton's unhappy? Let me moon them with my Big Red Baboon Butt!

In a message dated 9/30/00 7:48:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< It's doesn't have to have outrageous crap like
human/ape sex to be good, it doesn't have to have nudity to be good. >>


Well, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they had some gorilla into
"beastiality" maybe?, *doing* our modern day Nova, no? Unfortunately, it's
the way movies are made now...

KG

In a message dated 09/29/2000 8:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

<< I'd love to, but my stereo is packed away. I only have the Planet/Escape
version, anyway. If there is someone out there who has more than this, I
would love to have copies, too!
*Lynne* >>

Lynne, a friend of mine just got the Beneath soundtrack. Looks and sounds
great, especially if you're a completist. It's a little different form
Goldsmith's stuff. If anything it's over done. I may have to add this one
to my collection.

In a message dated 09/30/2000 6:49:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< A film doesn't
have to be R to be good. >>

It doesn't have to have Ewoks to be bad.
But if it does, then it definitely is.

In a message dated 09/30/2000 7:01:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
NorthbyNW@... writes:

<< Well, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they had some gorilla
into
"bestiality" maybe?, *doing* our modern day Nova, no? Unfortunately, it's
the way movies are made now...

>>

I don't know why this would be any different then the Star Trek Voyager I saw
today, with the mother with the inter-species baby! Spock was a hybrid!
What's the diff?

In a message dated 9/30/00 8:01:12 AM, NorthbyNW@... writes:

<< Well, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they had some gorilla
into
"beastiality" maybe?, *doing* our modern day Nova, no? Unfortunately, it's
the way movies are made now... >>

Something like that would get it a rightfully deserved NC17.

In a message dated 9/30/00 8:35:32 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I don't know why this would be any different then the Star Trek Voyager I
saw
today, with the mother with the inter-species baby! Spock was a hybrid!
What's the diff? >>

Two humanoid species having a child is way different than a Gorilla having
sex with a human. First of all the gorilla penis, even when erect is too
small to achieve penetration (thank you Philip Jose Farmer for that bit of
information) and secondly, our DNA is different.

Unless the Ewoks are into inter species reproduction......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2000 22:31
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] 1st Issue of Sci-Fi Universe w/POTA

In a message dated 09/30/2000 6:49:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< A film doesn't
have to be R to be good. >>

It doesn't have to have Ewoks to be bad.
But if it does, then it definitely is.

In a message dated 09/30/2000 4:04:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Unless the Ewoks are into inter species reproduction...... >>

God, I hope not.
I hope I never see the likes of them again!
When their image the disgraced the silver screen it was burnt into my retinas
forever!

For info on good VHS copies: email splitsound@...!

In a message dated 09/30/2000 9:42:26 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< Something like that would get it a rightfully deserved NC17. >>

Nah, the have that stuff on the Star Trek movies every day! It just has to
be done right. In a cute way. No one went up to Spocks mom and and said
your sleeping with a pointy eared hob gobblin.

Battle long versions available......Good quality VHS.
Cheers!

In a message dated 09/30/2000 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< our DNA is different. >>

First of all, these aren't regular apes. They are sentient beings. They can
think, they can reason. And walk up right and talk and anything else, like
study archeology. I don't know about humanoids being all that different.
That guy on Deep Space Nine isn't humanoid. He sleeps in a bucket. And that
gal on Voyager who had that baby with the row of spikes on his head . . . can
you imagine that birth? Ouch!
And as far as DNA . . . According to Reader's Digest Facts and Fallacies,
there exists only 1 percent difference between human DNA and that of chimps
and gorillas, and that our common ancestor wasn't 15 million years ago, but
five million years. In fact rather than remote ancestors, apes and humans
are almost brothers and sisters. Genetically speaking, Binobos chimps
especially, are more closely related to humans than they are to gorillas.
And those are just back porch, whiskey drinkin', chain swingin' swamp
monkeys! They don't even do experimental brain surgery or vivisection on
humans. I'd say these apes are more like Really smart Neanderthals or
Australopithecus.
Not King Kong or Big Foot, or even Magilla Gorilla or Grape Ape!

In a message dated 09/30/2000 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< First of all the gorilla penis, even when erect is too
small to achieve penetration (thank you Philip Jose Farmer for that bit of
information) >>

And secondly . . . I think you'll agree that Ol' Dirk Diggler has the proper
equipment for that job! Eh? Yeah, I know . . . It was just a prosthetic.
Sorry to dissolution any of you ladies that didn't know. I'm sure there will
be a lot of Marky Mark jokes along those lines, especially if this scene
makes the cut. Don't you? "Uhhhh ... Make-up!"

In a message dated 10/1/00 8:18:29 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< That guy on Deep Space Nine isn't humanoid. He sleeps in a bucket. Odo
can't interbreed with solids. He can mimic the act that's it. And that
gal on Voyager who had that baby with the row of spikes on his head . . . can
you imagine that birth? At birth the spikes were soft, hardening upon being
exposed to air. And Trek has mentioned several times that interspecies births
require help from DNA tinkering. Bashir had to give Jadzia an ovarian
resequencer so she could have a child with Worf. Also in a TNG ep, K'ehlyr,
who is human/klingon mentioned that it took both parents and a lab.

that 1 percent you mentioned means a world of difference. The apes ability to
speak resides in the brain, not in the reproductive organs. Even though the
apes can speak, all evidence points to them being mutated which would make
the possibility of a child between apes and humans even more distant.
Especially if the mute humans have mutated further, which would explain their
mutness and make interbreeding even more difficult. Finally, I just can't see
an ape being turned on by a human enough to want to have sex with one.

In a message dated 10/1/00 8:25:47 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I think you'll agree that Ol' Dirk Diggler has the proper
equipment for that job! >>

I was only thinking you're nuts LordTZer, but now I know. (j/k LOL!) Do we
really want to see Gorilla jigglies out there on the BIG screen? I for one,
do not. Planet of the Apes: Boogie Nights is just not going to sell in Peoria!

Hi every body,

I'm Fabienne from Canada (Quebec).
I'm 37.
I like so much Charlton Heston.
I heard that it will a remake of "The planet of the apes" in 2001.
Please tell me what happen, with which actors?

Come and see my website:

http://www.multimania.com/fabiennebuhl/

Fabienne :-))

Welcome to the board, Fabienne! The new movie will be out 4 July 2001,
supposedly. Good place to start looking for information is www.imdb.com,
search from there. Also, watch this board, things get pretty interesting.
Cheers!
Pete H
-----Original Message-----
From: fabiebuhl@... <fabiebuhl@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 1:27 PM
Subject: [pota] Hi !!! .... I'm new here.......

>Hi every body,
>
>I'm Fabienne from Canada (Quebec).
>I'm 37.
>I like so much Charlton Heston.
>I heard that it will a remake of "The planet of the apes" in 2001.
>Please tell me what happen, with which actors?
>
>Come and see my website:
>
>http://www.multimania.com/fabiennebuhl/
>
>Fabienne :-))
>
>
>
>
>

Just to pick up on the size of a gorilla's penis, are you saying that if we
believe they walk, talk, dress themselves and hunt humans it would not be OK
to accept that their penises have enlarged too?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2000 22:18
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] 1st Issue of Sci-Fi Universe w/POTA

In a message dated 09/30/2000 9:43:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< our DNA is different. >>

First of all, these aren't regular apes. They are sentient beings. They
can
think, they can reason. And walk up right and talk and anything else, like
study archeology. I don't know about humanoids being all that different.
That guy on Deep Space Nine isn't humanoid. He sleeps in a bucket. And
that
gal on Voyager who had that baby with the row of spikes on his head . . .
can
you imagine that birth? Ouch!
And as far as DNA . . . According to Reader's Digest Facts and Fallacies,
there exists only 1 percent difference between human DNA and that of chimps
and gorillas, and that our common ancestor wasn't 15 million years ago, but
five million years. In fact rather than remote ancestors, apes and humans
are almost brothers and sisters. Genetically speaking, Binobos chimps
especially, are more closely related to humans than they are to gorillas.
And those are just back porch, whiskey drinkin', chain swingin' swamp
monkeys! They don't even do experimental brain surgery or vivisection on
humans. I'd say these apes are more like Really smart Neanderthals or
Australopithecus.
Not King Kong or Big Foot, or even Magilla Gorilla or Grape Ape!

Does it make more sense to you that apes have conquered the earth?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2000 23:43
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] 1st Issue of Sci-Fi Universe w/POTA


In a message dated 10/1/00 8:18:29 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< That guy on Deep Space Nine isn't humanoid. He sleeps in a bucket. Odo
can't interbreed with solids. He can mimic the act that's it. And that
gal on Voyager who had that baby with the row of spikes on his head . . .
can
you imagine that birth? At birth the spikes were soft, hardening upon being
exposed to air. And Trek has mentioned several times that interspecies
births
require help from DNA tinkering. Bashir had to give Jadzia an ovarian
resequencer so she could have a child with Worf. Also in a TNG ep, K'ehlyr,
who is human/klingon mentioned that it took both parents and a lab.

that 1 percent you mentioned means a world of difference. The apes ability
to
speak resides in the brain, not in the reproductive organs. Even though the
apes can speak, all evidence points to them being mutated which would make
the possibility of a child between apes and humans even more distant.
Especially if the mute humans have mutated further, which would explain
their
mutness and make interbreeding even more difficult. Finally, I just can't
see
an ape being turned on by a human enough to want to have sex with one.

I wonder if some sick European is going to pick up on our conversations and
release that x-rated "Planet of the Rapes" we keep joking about. Think
about it - with the apes in makeup there is no law against it, and it would
certainly cater to the beastie crowd.......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2000 23:46
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] 1st Issue of Sci-Fi Universe w/POTA


In a message dated 10/1/00 8:25:47 AM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I think you'll agree that Ol' Dirk Diggler has the proper
equipment for that job! >>

I was only thinking you're nuts LordTZer, but now I know. (j/k LOL!) Do we
really want to see Gorilla jigglies out there on the BIG screen? I for one,
do not. Planet of the Apes: Boogie Nights is just not going to sell in
Peoria!

Attachments :

Okay guys,
for those who have put in their request for my free Tribute CD, I'm letting
you know that I'm down to the last track for the CD.
So be expecting your copy soon.

Here is a picture of the CD I'm putting together.
Picture of the CD and inside Sheet.
CD cover is still in production.

It shouldn't take me no longer than 7 more days to begin shipping out.
So for those who requested my free CD, get ready to rock!

Alex

In a message dated 10/1/00 5:38:39 PM, whitty@... writes:

<< Just to pick up on the size of a gorilla's penis, are you saying that if we
believe they walk, talk, dress themselves and hunt humans it would not be OK
to accept that their penises have enlarged too? >>

There is still the question of genetics and that I personally wouldn't want
to see an ape/human sex scene. If others want to, more power to them.
There's enough odd stuff out there already without giving politicians more to
scream about. Gorillas are actually taller than we think (Chimps too) but the
hunched over walk fools us.

"Dr. Zira, I'd like to kiss you goodbye."

"All right, but you're so damn ugly!" YOU GO ZIRA! TELL IT LIKE IT IS!

In a message dated 10/1/00 5:41:55 PM, whitty@... writes:

<< Does it make more sense to you that apes have conquered the earth? >>

I can accept that easier. Ever read and Gordon Dickenson? He has a whole race
of ape like creatures that have space travel. SF may be full of interspecies
stuff, but I don't exactly need to see it on the screen.

Thanks man!

In a message dated 10/01/2000 8:44:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< Especially if the mute humans have mutated further, which would explain
their
mutness and make interbreeding even more difficult. Finally, I just can't
see
an ape being turned on by a human enough to want to have sex with one. >>

Whoa! A Trekie Techie . . . This is good! Houston we have discussion.

Don't take anything I say too seriously, but . . .
I know Marky isn't the best actor, but I believe he can speak. And I'm glad
you said the Ape might not be turned on, because I think Wahlberg would screw
anything.
Lets have a new poll!

In the book, the she-apes were all hitting on the Astro at cocktail parties.

* Would it make a difference if the princess seduced him while he was drunk?

Or . . .

* If the DNA was a match, and it was just an looks issue?

Hey Fab,

Welcome and please feel free to join in the most fascinating discussion group
on the net! Just be careful of gorillas with nets! And you thought the new
Buckaroo Banzai TV show was exciting! Here's a couple good links to catch up
on the news . . .

<A HREF="http://members.nbci.com/planetofapes/index.htmlquot;>Planet of the
Apes: The Forbidden Zone</A>
http://members.nbci.com/planetofapes/index.html"

<A HREF="http://planetoapes.tripod.com/news.htmlquot;>Tim Burton's Planet of the
Apes - Latest News</A>
http://planetoapes.tripod.com/news.html"

And once again . . . Welcome aboard!!!

In a message dated 10/01/2000 4:38:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Just to pick up on the size of a gorilla's penis, are you saying that if we
believe they walk, talk, dress themselves and hunt humans it would not be OK
to accept that their penises have enlarged too? >>

Hey! . . . Now you've got to admit, this guy has a point! I'd say they have
alot of balls!

In a message dated 10/01/2000 5:30:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< "Dr. Zira, I'd like to kiss you goodbye."

"All right, but you're so damn ugly!" YOU GO ZIRA! TELL IT LIKE IT IS!

>>

Yeah right! She said that first, but after, she has a secret smile.
I paraphrase Bob Dylan on that one . . ." Just like a female . . ."

<<
I can accept that easier. Ever read and Gordon Dickenson? He has a whole
race
of ape like creatures that have space travel. SF may be full of interspecies
stuff, but I don't exactly need to see it on the screen. >>

Wake up! The interspecial love is a metaphor racial harmony. I don't care
if they have sex or not! Perhaps Burton should just gloss over it and avoid
the controversy.
On the other hand . . . Even the kiss was controversial back then. And the
Apes films have Never steered away from controversy. Remember in the book,
there was no kiss, they couldn't get past a hug!

Whoever is in charge now, I would like to unsubscribe from this list.
Sincerely,
BlakerG

Just go to www.egroup.com and follow the instructions.
Take care and good luck in the future.

Alex

----- Original Message -----
From: <BlakerG@...>
To: <Mithril1960@...>; <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Tribute CD


> Whoever is in charge now, I would like to unsubscribe from this list.
> Sincerely,
> BlakerG
>
>
>
>
>

The CD looks great! I can't wait to get it!

Loc

> The CD looks great! I can't wait to get it!
>
> Loc

Thanks Loc,
Later on I'll release a tribute single to the new film using sound clips
from the trailers and so on.

Alex

Sweet!

Loc

<<Thanks Loc,
Later on I'll release a tribute single to the new film using sound clips
from the trailers and so on.

Alex

<<

Bright Eyes-you might be ugly, but shut the hell up and pick up the soap!

Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 2 October 2000 11:32
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Poll: The Great Debate continues . . .

In a message dated 10/01/2000 8:44:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< Especially if the mute humans have mutated further, which would explain
their
mutness and make interbreeding even more difficult. Finally, I just can't
see
an ape being turned on by a human enough to want to have sex with one. >>

Whoa! A Trekie Techie . . . This is good! Houston we have discussion.

Don't take anything I say too seriously, but . . .
I know Marky isn't the best actor, but I believe he can speak. And I'm glad
you said the Ape might not be turned on, because I think Wahlberg would
screw
anything.
Lets have a new poll!

In the book, the she-apes were all hitting on the Astro at cocktail parties.

* Would it make a difference if the princess seduced him while he was
drunk?

Or . . .

* If the DNA was a match, and it was just an looks issue?

What the heck has hapened to this list?

In a message dated 10/02/2000 4:43:35 AM Central Daylight Time,
jameshburns@... writes:

<< What the heck has hapened to this list? >>

I don't know man, I was just good naturedly sticking up for the side of the
star crossed lovers.

EEEWWWWWW!! I wouldn't touch them with the biggest red wood they have...a
ten foot pole is way too short!! Vader might get into something like
that,though. I can see the 'cease and desist' letters coming for this list
now. Cinescape says they may be as visible as Publishers Clearinghouse is
to the mailbox. LMAO! It was on their website the other day...about the
time someone *leaked* the storyboards to the net for SW II.
*Lynne*

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [pota] 1st Issue of Sci-Fi Universe w/POTA
>Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 07:59:04 +1000
>
>Unless the Ewoks are into inter species reproduction......
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
>Sent: Saturday, 30 September 2000 22:31
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] 1st Issue of Sci-Fi Universe w/POTA
>
>In a message dated 09/30/2000 6:49:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
>Mithril1960@... writes:
>
><< A film doesn't
> have to be R to be good. >>
>
>It doesn't have to have Ewoks to be bad.
>But if it does, then it definitely is.
>
>
>
>
>

_____________

Hi:

I have a general question. I have been a member of this egroup for
a couple of weeks and it seems to me that the greatest number and the
HOTTEST replies are mostly directed about the new remake and how we should
not do this remake.

So my question is this...

If we could. Is there an idea for a remake within our group? And would
it be something that we could all agree upon as a "workable" script?
The reason that I ask this is that I personally would like to see a
well thought out and creative approach to our beloved Apes which could
open up new worlds for our simian friends. It seems to me that
the powers that be are having one terrible time trying to get this to
work but perhaps they don't have the same level of insight that most
of you have. I couldn't imagine a better group of individuals to do it.

Larry
_____________

In a message dated 10/1/00 10:02:03 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Wake up! The interspecial love is a metaphor racial harmony. I don't
care
if they have sex or not! Perhaps Burton should just gloss over it and avoid
the controversy.
On the other hand . . . Even the kiss was controversial back then. And the
Apes films have Never steered away from controversy. Remember in the book,
there was no kiss, they couldn't get past a hug >>

Don't tell me to wake up all right? I'm not some Drone hollywood can lead
around with a promise. I don't want to see the movie bogged down in
sensationalist bullshit just to get viewers. It used to be that a film had to
be GOOD to get viewers (like the Original Planet of the Apes) not Hyped (like
Blair Witch). Is it too much to expect SOMETHING for my dollar rather than
just an empty feeling after I leave the theater?

In a message dated 10/02/2000 1:11:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

<< It was on their website the other day...about the
time someone *leaked* the storyboards to the net for SW II.
*Lynne* >>

Oh no! Don't tell me they're back! Jarjarbinks was bad enough, but this!
I give up! I'm tired of trying to enjoy these movie Around their puppets!

I think we have a mole.

Okay LARRY . . . If in fact that is your name. I don't really care if they
have it off together or not. What I'd like to see is Humans and Apes coming
together in a spirit of harmony and cooperation . . .

To destroy some third life form that's really mean and ugly!

Preferably something green and tentacally with spaceships. Sure, it is, as
Boris would says, Hollywood Crap!, but at least, if it's well done Hollywood
crap, I'll be able to eat my popcorn. Props to Eddy Izzard. Put that on the
screen if you dare. If the Apes are still technologically deficient and the
Asrto's ship is broken, Again, maybe they could get some help from Captain
Picard and the Starship Enterprise. You can make Paramount kick in with some
dough to help cover the costs.

Only half joking,
T

In a message dated 10/02/2000 2:35:25 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< Don't tell me to wake up all right? >>

Wasn't talking to you.

Hmmm.... Some real insightfull stuff there...

No, I'm not a mole. Just a dedicated fan to what I personally
find is a very enjoyable movie. Perhaps I could be a little more
specific.

What I have been reading for the most part has been really great
and I was just wondering if any of you people had some ideas? It
is usually quite easy to tear something down, but to be creative takes
much more energy and thoughtfullness.

Lastly, meanness and ugliness are in the eyes of the beholder. For instance
Zira remarked about Taylor "..But, your so damned ugly!" and
I'm sure that Dr. Zaius found Taylors kind VERY mean...

"...all my life I've awaited your comming and dreaded it... Like death
itself.."

"...he must be a warlike creature that gives battle to everything around
him. Even himself!"

So, hopefully I'll hear from some of you out there. Perhaps we don't have a
better idea.

Moleman

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:59:10 EDT
>
>
>
>
> I think we have a mole.
>
>Okay LARRY . . . If in fact that is your name. I don't really care if they
>have it off together or not. What I'd like to see is Humans and Apes
>coming
>together in a spirit of harmony and cooperation . . .
>
>To destroy some third life form that's really mean and ugly!
>
>Preferably something green and tentacally with spaceships. Sure, it is, as
>Boris would says, Hollywood Crap!, but at least, if it's well done
>Hollywood
>crap, I'll be able to eat my popcorn. Props to Eddy Izzard. Put that on
>the
>screen if you dare. If the Apes are still technologically deficient and
>the
>Asrto's ship is broken, Again, maybe they could get some help from Captain
>Picard and the Starship Enterprise. You can make Paramount kick in with
>some
>dough to help cover the costs.
>
>Only half joking,
>T

_____________

In a message dated 10/2/00 7:32:56 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< What I have been reading for the most part has been really great
and I was just wondering if any of you people had some ideas? >>

Ok, Why not do a straight adaptation of the book by Boule? The opening with
the solar sailed ship that finds his memoirs in space would be awesome! the
apes are actually on another planet in the book and have technology and
cities suited to themselves. Ulysses has a time convincing him that he is
intelligent or that he has a ship in orbit (they came down in a lander). The
rest of the party is killed (I think, I haven't read it in years). Two chimps
help him and Nova escape back to his ship (as subjects on an ape satellite,
the apes just beginning their own space race) where he returns to earth only
to find that... it's now a planet of intelligent, technologically advanced
apes! Ulysses, Nova and child lift off hoping to find a planet where man is
still in control! The end has the inhabitants of the solar sail ship turning
out to be apes themselves... I think that would make a pretty cool movie.

Good one Larry . . .

No, I have some good ideas, but they're copyrighted and would take along time
to retype even a quick overview. And they are probably far to complex to
ever be made.
I'm sure the average fan would not be the least bit interested as it does not
involve gorillas hunting humans.

Ha Ha :) Oh well... Any one else have any good ideas?

I guess my hope is that if we who are not even professional script writers,
members of the Screen Actors Guild, or in my case never
even tried out for a school play.... If we could come up with something
good then those people out in Hollywood surely should come up with
a script which breaks out of the finite future in which they currently
have themselves in. As Virgil said, "Time is an infinite series of
roads all leading from the past to the future.... And all we have to
do to change the future is to change lanes..."

Or was that Spock who said that???

Mole

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 00:03:40 EDT
>
>
>
>
> Good one Larry . . .
>
>No, I have some good ideas, but they're copyrighted and would take along
>time
>to retype even a quick overview. And they are probably far to complex to
>ever be made.
>I'm sure the average fan would not be the least bit interested as it does
>not
>involve gorillas hunting humans.

_____________

Larry Bud Moleman,

Sorry, being a Late Nite with David Letterman fan I couldn't pass that one
up. All I wanted to say is, that's why they get the big bucks. And if I
could just knock out a great idea that quick, I'd sell it to them for bug
bucks. Maybe for the sequel. I'd have to see what direction it's going
first. But I did tell him to go on down to the Screen Writers Guide and
steal my ideas, and I'll sue him later.

Larry,

I think you have raised an important issue here - much of what Zaius said
seemed to have been clinically left open to a sequel to explain his fears
and expectations. I would love to see a sequel which does address the plot
holes in some ways - even if it simply leaves us believing that the
inconsistencies are due to different time lines (much as Back to the Future
did) but something "true" to the original flavour.

What I believe we will get is something as far from what we remember as the
Adam West Batman is from Clooney - a new tech version. I must admit that
when I sit down and watch Apes (movies/TV/Cartoon) what actually keeps me
watching is something EMOTIONAL. Not the "great script" or "fab make-up",
but the feeling of nostalgia it creates where I recall the first thing I
ever really became obsessed with. This is why I can't imagine ANYTHING can
be much WORSEn most of the originals - when I try to cerebrally analyse what
it is I like about the Apes enigma I may as well not bother.

Whatever it takes to get POTA back on the shelves so MY kids can share some
of the excitement that overcame me ecery time I saw some new POTA toy or
item, bring it on FOX!!!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Montgomery [uscha_dierdorff@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 8:50
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???

Hmmm.... Some real insightfull stuff there...

No, I'm not a mole. Just a dedicated fan to what I personally
find is a very enjoyable movie. Perhaps I could be a little more
specific.

What I have been reading for the most part has been really great
and I was just wondering if any of you people had some ideas? It
is usually quite easy to tear something down, but to be creative takes
much more energy and thoughtfullness.

Lastly, meanness and ugliness are in the eyes of the beholder. For instance
Zira remarked about Taylor "..But, your so damned ugly!" and
I'm sure that Dr. Zaius found Taylors kind VERY mean...

"...all my life I've awaited your comming and dreaded it... Like death
itself.."

"...he must be a warlike creature that gives battle to everything around
him. Even himself!"

So, hopefully I'll hear from some of you out there. Perhaps we don't have a
better idea.

Moleman

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:59:10 EDT
>
>
>
>
> I think we have a mole.
>
>Okay LARRY . . . If in fact that is your name. I don't really care if they
>have it off together or not. What I'd like to see is Humans and Apes
>coming
>together in a spirit of harmony and cooperation . . .
>
>To destroy some third life form that's really mean and ugly!
>
>Preferably something green and tentacally with spaceships. Sure, it is, as
>Boris would says, Hollywood Crap!, but at least, if it's well done
>Hollywood
>crap, I'll be able to eat my popcorn. Props to Eddy Izzard. Put that on
>the
>screen if you dare. If the Apes are still technologically deficient and
>the
>Asrto's ship is broken, Again, maybe they could get some help from Captain
>Picard and the Starship Enterprise. You can make Paramount kick in with
>some
>dough to help cover the costs.
>
>Only half joking,
>T

_____________

Must agree here and maybe for THIS adaptation, called MONKEY PLANET, not
POTA, have apes looking more like apes.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@... [Mithril1960@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 11:23
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???


In a message dated 10/2/00 7:32:56 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< What I have been reading for the most part has been really great
and I was just wondering if any of you people had some ideas? >>

Ok, Why not do a straight adaptation of the book by Boule? The opening with
the solar sailed ship that finds his memoirs in space would be awesome! the
apes are actually on another planet in the book and have technology and
cities suited to themselves. Ulysses has a time convincing him that he is
intelligent or that he has a ship in orbit (they came down in a lander). The
rest of the party is killed (I think, I haven't read it in years). Two
chimps
help him and Nova escape back to his ship (as subjects on an ape satellite,
the apes just beginning their own space race) where he returns to earth only
to find that... it's now a planet of intelligent, technologically advanced
apes! Ulysses, Nova and child lift off hoping to find a planet where man is
still in control! The end has the inhabitants of the solar sail ship
turning
out to be apes themselves... I think that would make a pretty cool movie.

I for one would like to see a prequel.
If Bill Blake and Paula Christ can imitate Roddy McDowall I'm sure others
can. I'd like to see how the three main apes got there start, before the
Astros came.

What are "Bug Bucks?"

Sounds kind of like Jackolopes

Mole

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 04:31:07 EDT
>
>
>
>
> Larry Bud Moleman,
>
>Sorry, being a Late Nite with David Letterman fan I couldn't pass that one
>up. All I wanted to say is, that's why they get the big bucks. And if I
>could just knock out a great idea that quick, I'd sell it to them for bug
>bucks. Maybe for the sequel. I'd have to see what direction it's going
>first. But I did tell him to go on down to the Screen Writers Guide and
>steal my ideas, and I'll sue him later.

_____________

In a message dated 10/03/2000 5:34:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< Sounds kind of like Jackolopes>>

Bug Bucks are either a typo or some sort of rhinoceros beetle

Michael:

I definitly agree. If they want to do a "remake" instead of a sequel
then I would DEFINITLY like to see more Dr. Zaius and others of his
ilk (Dr.Honorius and the "President" of the Academy...) For me, a large
part of the attraction of the original movie is seeing Xenophobia in another
species. Where did Dr. Z get his values and beliefs from???

"...all my life I have awaited you comming and dreaded it... Like death
itself!!!"

The other thing that I found interesting is where he seemed to know
about Mankind and I found the foreshadowing of Taylors realization
fascinating.

"...Don't look for it Taylor... You may not like what you find..."

Did Dr. Zaius already "find" it??? And if so, we may have a plausible
understanding of where part of his fear of Man came from. It came from
a lack of understanding of what he found and of what the "Scrolls" had
written about Man. The whole "beware the beast Man speach by Cornelius
for one gives a slight illustration of all the slanders against Mankind,
Deserved or not.

I guess I'm rambling, but I would like to hear others out there who
may know of certain aspects of the original movie that they would like
to see expanded on.

Moleman

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:24:14 +1000
>
>Larry,
>
>I think you have raised an important issue here - much of what Zaius said
>seemed to have been clinically left open to a sequel to explain his fears
>and expectations. I would love to see a sequel which does address the plot
>holes in some ways - even if it simply leaves us believing that the
>inconsistencies are due to different time lines (much as Back to the Future
>did) but something "true" to the original flavour.
>
>What I believe we will get is something as far from what we remember as the
>Adam West Batman is from Clooney - a new tech version. I must admit that
>when I sit down and watch Apes (movies/TV/Cartoon) what actually keeps me
>watching is something EMOTIONAL. Not the "great script" or "fab make-up",
>but the feeling of nostalgia it creates where I recall the first thing I
>ever really became obsessed with. This is why I can't imagine ANYTHING can
>be much WORSEn most of the originals - when I try to cerebrally analyse
>what
>it is I like about the Apes enigma I may as well not bother.
>
>Whatever it takes to get POTA back on the shelves so MY kids can share some
>of the excitement that overcame me ecery time I saw some new POTA toy or
>item, bring it on FOX!!!!!
>
>Michael
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Larry Montgomery [uscha_dierdorff@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2000 8:50
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>
>Hmmm.... Some real insightfull stuff there...
>
>No, I'm not a mole. Just a dedicated fan to what I personally
>find is a very enjoyable movie. Perhaps I could be a little more
>specific.
>
>What I have been reading for the most part has been really great
>and I was just wondering if any of you people had some ideas? It
>is usually quite easy to tear something down, but to be creative takes
>much more energy and thoughtfullness.
>
>Lastly, meanness and ugliness are in the eyes of the beholder. For
>instance
>Zira remarked about Taylor "..But, your so damned ugly!" and
>I'm sure that Dr. Zaius found Taylors kind VERY mean...
>
>"...all my life I've awaited your comming and dreaded it... Like death
>itself.."
>
>"...he must be a warlike creature that gives battle to everything around
>him. Even himself!"
>
>So, hopefully I'll hear from some of you out there. Perhaps we don't have
>a
>better idea.
>
>Moleman
>
>
> >From: LordTZer0@...
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: pota@egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
> >Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 17:59:10 EDT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think we have a mole.
> >
> >Okay LARRY . . . If in fact that is your name. I don't really care if
>they
> >have it off together or not. What I'd like to see is Humans and Apes
> >coming
> >together in a spirit of harmony and cooperation . . .
> >
> >To destroy some third life form that's really mean and ugly!
> >
> >Preferably something green and tentacally with spaceships. Sure, it is,
>as
> >Boris would says, Hollywood Crap!, but at least, if it's well done
> >Hollywood
> >crap, I'll be able to eat my popcorn. Props to Eddy Izzard. Put that on
> >the
> >screen if you dare. If the Apes are still technologically deficient and
> >the
> >Asrto's ship is broken, Again, maybe they could get some help from
>Captain
> >Picard and the Starship Enterprise. You can make Paramount kick in with
> >some
> >dough to help cover the costs.
> >
> >Only half joking,
> >T
>
>_____________

_____________

Wow... I never thought of that one. The three main characters are always
referring to "The Academy" and some other ideas which were touched on

"...the quota system has been abolished! You made it why can't I???"

With today's political debate over Afirmative Action and Quotas, I think
it would definitely be interesting to see why their Quota system
had to be abolished....

"...it seems that some Apes are more equal than others..."

I also found it interesting that most people believed that Dr. Zaius was
the highest ranking (politically) Ape in the movie, and I don't believe
that it was the case. I dont read Ape Hyroglyphics but I think
Dr. Maximum, who is referred to as "The President" wears more of them
on his tunic. He also sits in the largest chair in the courtroom scene.

Just some of the ideas that clog my head.

Mole

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:17:07 EDT
>
>
>
>
> I for one would like to see a prequel.
>If Bill Blake and Paula Christ can imitate Roddy McDowall I'm sure others
>can. I'd like to see how the three main apes got there start, before the
>Astros came.

_____________

Oh I see. Whoops.

Well got to get to work. I am listening to the Planet of the apes
CD right now and I really dig the extra featured music on it from
"Escape". Super cool!

Mole

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 06:45:58 EDT
>
>In a message dated 10/03/2000 5:34:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
>uscha_dierdorff@... writes:
>
><< Sounds kind of like Jackolopes>>
>
>Bug Bucks are either a typo or some sort of rhinoceros beetle

_____________

Wow! You know that I had the book back in the 1970's but couldn't get
past the first few chapters. I got it from Scholastic and I wanted it to
be a copy of the movie. I would have to see if I could dig it out and
read it again. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

I had an idea that involves the original movie but I don't think it could be
done. It would open up with the ending of the first movie
playing out to where he finds the statue of liberty, then brief snippets
of the second "beneath" and just as the planet begins to melt he wakes up
as an Orangutan as if he had just had a horrible dream!!! It turns out
that he is really the leader of the apes, and that somehow he had put
the entire episodes where he was being caged, operated on etc... He has
great feelings of remorse but cannot just set the humans free because of the
sacred scrolls, the Lawgiver, and his own feelings toward the humans. But
he is definitly having great remorse. A kind of "Ghost of Christmas future
thing". The movie would begin at that point delving much deeper into ape
culture and ending with a hopefull message for all mankind. It would also
open up the future for additional sequels. It would be a work-around for
the previous 5 movies, books and cartoon.


Or maybe we should just blow stuff up...

moleman

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:23:00 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 10/2/00 7:32:56 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:
>
><< What I have been reading for the most part has been really great
>and I was just wondering if any of you people had some ideas? >>
>
>Ok, Why not do a straight adaptation of the book by Boule? The opening with
>the solar sailed ship that finds his memoirs in space would be awesome! the
>apes are actually on another planet in the book and have technology and
>cities suited to themselves. Ulysses has a time convincing him that he is
>intelligent or that he has a ship in orbit (they came down in a lander).
>The
>rest of the party is killed (I think, I haven't read it in years). Two
>chimps
>help him and Nova escape back to his ship (as subjects on an ape satellite,
>the apes just beginning their own space race) where he returns to earth
>only
>to find that... it's now a planet of intelligent, technologically advanced
>apes! Ulysses, Nova and child lift off hoping to find a planet where man is
>still in control! The end has the inhabitants of the solar sail ship
>turning
>out to be apes themselves... I think that would make a pretty cool movie.

_____________

I have the Beneath soundtrack on my list of WANTS...bills must take first
place, and since I've been down here in FL, the bills have been mounting
instead of easing as they were supposed to do. I wonder why that is?

I had the original Beneath on (get this) 8 track!! But the tape literally
disolved around and into the plastic, so I've been looking for a replacement
ever since.
*Lynne*

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] Soundtracks
>Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 08:22:42 EDT
>
>In a message dated 09/29/2000 8:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
>cosmicraye@... writes:
>
><< I'd love to, but my stereo is packed away. I only have the
>Planet/Escape
> version, anyway. If there is someone out there who has more than this, I
> would love to have copies, too!
> *Lynne* >>
>
>Lynne, a friend of mine just got the Beneath soundtrack. Looks and sounds
>great, especially if you're a completist. It's a little different form
>Goldsmith's stuff. If anything it's over done. I may have to add this one
>to my collection.

_____________

Hey Gang...

I just checked out the "prophecysite" and it is super. I think the
site owner is in this egroup. I wanted to let you know that I found
it thoughtfull and entertaining. I especially liked the "timeline"
and the images of the group "Apemania". I really enjoy such high
quality sites. I liked the images and sounds from the movies as well.
(I am using an image of the spaceship at lake powell on my desktop now).

You all are super

Moleman
_____________

> Hey Gang...
>
> I just checked out the "prophecysite" and it is super. I think the
> site owner is in this egroup. I wanted to let you know that I found
> it thoughtfull and entertaining. I especially liked the "timeline"
> and the images of the group "Apemania". I really enjoy such high
> quality sites. I liked the images and sounds from the movies as well.
> (I am using an image of the spaceship at lake powell on my desktop now).
>
> You all are super
>
> Moleman

Thanks Moleman.
The site is not finished yet but is near complete, this CD Tribute has
thrown me off course a bit, but it was well worth it.
This CD really sounds good if I do say so myself, and I know that the fans
are going to love it.
The songs on the site have been extended on the CD version with more time,
sound clips, and more rocken sounds. Gives me goose bumps whenever I listen
to it.

Very interesting.

Alex

In a message dated 10/3/00 12:15:02 AM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< And all we have to
do to change the future is to change lanes..." >>

Actually it was Dr. Hasslein who first said it in Escape.

In a message dated 10/3/00 5:30:16 AM, whitty@... writes:

<< much of what Zaius said
seemed to have been clinically left open to a sequel to explain his fears
and expectations. >>

Ever think Zaius and his orangutan cronies, who hid the fact that the Earth
had been ruled by man, knew that Taylor was coming, possibly by writings left
by say Ceasar or Virgil (more likely) after their visit to the forbidden
city? Perhaps these were among the things that the Orangs kept from the ape
populace. Remember Beneath: "Ursus you fool! That's a weapon built by Man!"
That sneaky orange devil knew a lot more than he was letting on. "Keeper of
the Terrible secret" is right.

In a message dated 10/3/00 6:49:33 AM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< I guess I'm rambling, but I would like to hear others out there who
may know of certain aspects of the original movie that they would like
to see expanded on. >>

I'd like to see a film that takes place a few centuries after Battle and few
before Planet. Perhaps show the final downfall of mankind. If any of you ever
read the Marvel comics timeline (available at the forbidden zone site) that
time line is rife with ideas to be made into film. Hmmm I think I feel
another fan fic Idea coming on...

In a message dated 10/3/00 7:00:35 AM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< I think
it would definitely be interesting to see why their Quota system
had to be abolished. >>

I think it would be because chimps breed faster than Gorillas and Orangs.
Also Chimps are the most naturally inquisitive. After all, it was a chimp who
went into the Forbidden zone twice (Cornelius and Cesar!). They were really
the foundation or middle class of ape society.

Whoops! Very true. Sorry.
Was Dr. Hasslein supposed to be an approximation of Einstein? I believe his
first mention came from Taylor right before his injection. It has been a
while since I have seen "Escape" as my copy kind of fell apart. I am
looking for the DVD on Video on Ebay so that I can get the "Behind" footage
as well.

moleman

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:44:43 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 10/3/00 12:15:02 AM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:
>
><< And all we have to
>do to change the future is to change lanes..." >>
>
>Actually it was Dr. Hasslein who first said it in Escape.

_____________

Where people finally destroy themselves? Where the land is a wasteland
and the sea is a dead sea and Apes will finally rule the world!! Sounds
interesting. Certainly better than bestial scenes which are supposed to
be reminiscent of ideas which even I don't understand...

>From: Mithril1960@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] How would we do a remake???
>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:50:07 EDT
>
>
>In a message dated 10/3/00 6:49:33 AM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:
>
><< I guess I'm rambling, but I would like to hear others out there who
>may know of certain aspects of the original movie that they would like
>to see expanded on. >>
>
>I'd like to see a film that takes place a few centuries after Battle and
>few
>before Planet. Perhaps show the final downfall of mankind. If any of you
>ever
>read the Marvel comics timeline (available at the forbidden zone site) that
>time line is rife with ideas to be made into film. Hmmm I think I feel
>another fan fic Idea coming on...

_____________

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

>Must agree here and maybe for THIS adaptation, called MONKEY PLANET, not
>POTA, have apes looking more like apes.

Surely "Planet of the Monkeys" would be the most literal translation?

I'm very much in the "leave my film alone, you Hollywood vultures" category,
but I confess that if they made a pretty faithful adaptation of Boulle's
book I wouldn't mind. As long as they use decent actors too.

Alan

Larry Montgomery <uscha_dierdorff@...> wrote:

>I guess I'm rambling, but I would like to hear others out there who
>may know of certain aspects of the original movie that they would like
>to see expanded on.

It's interesting that people mentioned the orangutan council members -
that's one aspect I'd like to see more of in regards to the ape culture. I
mean, if Maximus or whoever is actually in a higher position than Zaius,
could they have their own secrets too? Or is Zaius only privvy to this
information because of his job?

Alan

Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...> wrote:

>This CD really sounds good if I do say so myself, and I know that the fans
>are going to love it.
>The songs on the site have been extended on the CD version with more time,
>sound clips, and more rocken sounds. Gives me goose bumps whenever I listen
>to it.

I know how you feel. I was messing about with a sound package ages ago
(simple sound manipulation software, not a music package) and managed to
come up with a three and a half minute piece of music that consisted of only
a drumbeat that I made by mixing up a couple of seconds of a jazz track, and
something like 16 samples from Planet of the Apes and Escape From the Planet
of the Apes. Given my total lack of musical talent I was quite chuffed with
it.

Sadly it's a 44khz stereo wav file and takes up almost 40 megabytes, so I
don't think I'll be putting it on the web any time soon!

Alan

> Sadly it's a 44khz stereo wav file and takes up almost 40 megabytes, so I
> don't think I'll be putting it on the web any time soon!
>
> Alan

Well, if it's any good you should try recording on a CD and offer it to the
public.

Alex

Liked some of the postings regarding a prequal with the Ape Academy.
I had the thought to take it one step further. Combine the National
Academy of Science (Zaius, Cornelius & Zira backstory) with the
training of the ANSA Astros. The narrative would be similar to The
Godfather Part II. Juxtapose the past with the present(or in this
case the future) What was the purpose of the mission? Just what was
the deal with Taylor? Why is he so pissed off at mankind? Landon &
Dodge? And Stewart! Did she really want to be "The New Eve"? Cutback
& forth between the Astros and the Apes. Could recount Cornelius and
Zira's courtship. Zaius' rise to power. Have the film end with the
launch of the ship/crash in the inland sea. Which just happens to be
witnessed by Milo, who got thrown out of the Academy for being too
radical. Just something to kick around. Later, John

In a message dated 10/3/00 4:07:10 PM, uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< Was Dr. Hasslein supposed to be an approximation of Einstein >>

No. Einstein was long dead. However, the scientist in Day the Earth Stood
Still was based on Einstein who was then very much alive (1951).

In a message dated 10/3/00 4:32:39 PM, alan@...
writes:

<< Or is Zaius only privvy to this
information because of his job? >>

I think Zaius was the power behind the throne. Perhaps he is part of a secret
order within the ape community that threatens to destroy ape culture be
revealing the truth? I don't think the Gorillas (who seem to have an
inferiority complex) would take it too well. Perhaps Zaius is descended from
the Lawgiver and certain secrets were handed down only to him? Makes for
fascinating theories...

Sam Jaffe (Gunga Din) as Dr. Barnard, I believe.

In a message dated 10/03/2000 5:49:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
uscha_dierdorff@... writes:

<< slanders against Mankind,
Deserved or not. >>

Hate to nit pick but, slander is by definition undeserved.

In a message dated 10/03/2000 1:51:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< I'd like to see a film that takes place a few centuries after Battle and
few
before Planet. >>

Yeah, if they wanted to work into the series, without screwing with the time
line that would be the way to go. And this film could be where they learned
about man on the alternate timeline . . . or is that to convoluted?

In a message dated 10/3/00 8:47:36 PM, JSe3689836@... writes:

<< Sam Jaffe (Gunga Din) as Dr. Barnard, I believe. >>

You are correct. Along with Michael Rennie and Patricia O'Neal in what I
consider the best SF film (non giant insect genre) of the 50's. Of course the
insect winner would be THEM!

In a message dated 10/03/2000 3:29:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<< I'm very much in the "leave my film alone, you Hollywood vultures"
category,
but I confess that if they made a pretty faithful adaptation of Boulle's
book I wouldn't mind. As long as they use decent actors too.

>>

Should the Taylor character be French? If so I think he should speak
English, subtitles can be so tiresome. Christopher Lambert would be good.
He's had experience acting with apes.

In a message dated 10/3/00 11:14:58 PM, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Should the Taylor character be French? >>

Since it's an American movie, I'd make him English. How about Russell Crowe?
He'd be a good Ulysses (I forget his last name).

In a message dated 10/03/2000 3:32:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:

<<
It's interesting that people mentioned the orangutan council members -
that's one aspect I'd like to see more of in regards to the ape culture. >>

Yeah, I wish they had explored more of the intricacies of Ape society. Zauis
and the council, Zira and Cornelius at home. Too bad they had Chuck eating
up all the screen time and wandering through the forbidden zone.

In a message dated 10/03/2000 5:45:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< I think Zaius was the power behind the throne. >>

It seems to me that Chief Defender of the Faith goes with the job of Minister
of Science.

In a message dated 10/03/2000 10:11:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< Best SF film (non giant insect genre) >>
Don't forget Forbidden Planet with the great stars Leslie Nielson and Walter
Pidgion.
Did anyone see James Cameron's Dark Angel?
It's sort of a cross between the Matrix and Remo Williams.
An interesting mix. Should be a nice change on Tuesday nights.

In a message dated 10/03/2000 10:36:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

> Did anyone see James Cameron's Dark Angel?
> It's sort of a cross between the Matrix and Remo Williams.
> An interesting mix. Should be a nice change on Tuesday nights.

The first time I gave my opinion on Dark Angel (on a website, not this list),
I dismissed it as being "a teen angst melodrama masquerading as serious
sci-fi". Young females with big (aka "bee-stung," pouty) lips seem to be
quite popular lately. I hope I'm wrong, but the ads I kept seeing for it
game me all the wrong impressions.


PMilam

In a message dated 10/03/2000 10:43:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
pmilam3362@... writes:

<< a teen angst melodrama masquerading as serious
sci-fi". >>

Yeah . . .

But it's better than Buffy.
I only watch that because of Alyson Hannigan.
Too bad her character is playing for the other team.

In a message dated 10/03/2000 10:51:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:

<< How about Russell Crowe?
He'd be a good Ulysses (I forget his last name). >>

Me'rou . . . Why not! Partick Stewart's character is supposed to be French.
And if a Frenchman spoke English well enough to lose his accent he'd probably
have a British accent.

In a message dated 10/03/2000 11:24:05 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

> Yeah . . .
>
> But it's better than Buffy.

Heh heh. I keep reading wonderful things about Buffy, but admittedly that
comes from the sci-fi site Zealot.com. I never really watched Buffy, so I
can't say from firsthand experience if they're reading too much into the show
or not.

> I only watch that because of Alyson Hannigan.
> Too bad her character is playing for the other team.

My father watches JAG, a show I consider to be abysmally dumb, because of
Catherine Bell.


PMilam