Happy B-Day Lynne. I too am in my late thirties, but I don't feel it. Don't
worry about it. Have Fun and enjoy the apes on your day. By the way, my
original post mentioned POTA, Beneath & Escape. It turns out Thursday
starting at 11am is Conquest, then Battle. I knew they couldn't break them
up. Again, Happy Birthday and remember what Taylor said to Landon, "You look
pretty chipper for someone 2,031 years old, give or take a decade" Go Apes,
John

Yeah, thats what is posted on the Forbidden Zone sight. It's probably tied up
with the reamke. I figure the publisher may want to hold off and wait for
the new film. Just speculating, who knows what will happen. I do however have
a bone to pick with these guys. The original issue of Sci-Fi Universe
magazine printed excerpts from the book back in 1993. They even had an
address to send $15.95 to for a copy. I sent the check, got a cancelled check
back, but no book. The nerve!

Happy Birthday Lynn....

Yup, I too am a 30 something as well. I hope that you have many many
more years to enjoy POTA.

Go Humans

Larry

>From: JSe3689836@...
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: pota@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:34:43 EST
>
>Happy B-Day Lynne. I too am in my late thirties, but I don't feel it. Don't
>worry about it. Have Fun and enjoy the apes on your day. By the way, my
>original post mentioned POTA, Beneath & Escape. It turns out Thursday
>starting at 11am is Conquest, then Battle. I knew they couldn't break them
>up. Again, Happy Birthday and remember what Taylor said to Landon, "You
>look
>pretty chipper for someone 2,031 years old, give or take a decade" Go Apes,
>John

_____________

Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...> wrote:

>POTA on your Birthday?
>Very cool, Happy Birthday Lynne!

My birthday is August 2nd - I recall once a few years ago one of our TV
stations in the UK showed the first three films on August 1st, 2nd, 3rd
respectively! How's that for a present!

Alan

happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!

pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)
-----Original Message-----
From: JSe3689836@... <JSe3689836@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT

>Happy B-Day Lynne. I too am in my late thirties, but I don't feel it. Don't
>worry about it. Have Fun and enjoy the apes on your day. By the way, my
>original post mentioned POTA, Beneath & Escape. It turns out Thursday
>starting at 11am is Conquest, then Battle. I knew they couldn't break them
>up. Again, Happy Birthday and remember what Taylor said to Landon, "You

look

>pretty chipper for someone 2,031 years old, give or take a decade" Go Apes,
>John
>
>
>
>

> happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!
>
> pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)

Wow, most everyone here is in there 30s.
I myself am 15 going on 35 next june. :o)

Where does the time go?

Alex

i don't know whee the time goes....what the heck, i feel pretty spry!
thanx for the kind wishes
pete h
-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT

>> happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)
>
>Wow, most everyone here is in there 30s.
>I myself am 15 going on 35 next june. :o)
>
>Where does the time go?
>
>Alex
>
>
>
>
>

> My birthday is August 2nd - I recall once a few years ago one of our TV
> stations in the UK showed the first three films on August 1st, 2nd, 3rd
> respectively! How's that for a present!
>
> Alan

Not bad Alan,
My birthday is on the 29th of June.
Man! I was this close to having the remake out near my birthday on July 4th!
Five little days....
And now it's on for July 27th.
Sure blew that idea right out of the water!

Caaa...Boooom!!!

Alex

Now you're really making me feel old. Hi gang, I'm new to the group. I'm
in my mid 40s. I've gone APE since the 70s when they first came out, and
have loved them ever since. I especially liked AMCs APE day last year,
where Roddy hosted the shows and the making of. Then I'd heard he'd died.
I always thought he was a great actor, whether Apes, comedy or other dramas.
It was like part of me had died too. I really enjoyed his work, especially
as Cornelius.
Edie

----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT


> > happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)
>
> Wow, most everyone here is in there 30s.
> I myself am 15 going on 35 next june. :o)
>
> Where does the time go?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>

Did I miss it?,

I heard that CNN had a segement with Tim Burton on the new apes film.
It was on Sunday or Saturday, I forgot which, I missed it. Supposedly, they
showed some clips of the original series, showed the differences between the
old and new make-up, etc. I can't believe I missed it, I'M SO DISSAPOINTED!
Did anyone catch it, or did anyone else at least hear about it? I want to
know what else was on it that I missed...?




Ross (Dr. Milo)


P.S. Happy B-day to Lynne, and a big welcome to any newcomers.

P.P.S. Is it me, or am I the only young person on this list? Please,
nobody take offense to this, but I consider people in their thirties pretty
old. Am I alone? :)


_____________

Happy Birthday Lynne!!!!!

Happy Birthday to you
You live in a zoo
You look like a she-ape
and you smell like one too

No offence. I couldn't resist :-)

In a message dated 10/30/2000 4:39:45 PM Central Standard Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

<< I too am in my late thirties, but I don't feel it. >>

Yeah, me too, but as you can see from my birthday song, I don't feel it
either. Too bad you can look young and just feel old. Then the saying would
be . . . Remember, you're as young as you look! I guess that only applies to
movie stars and super models.

Never trust anyone over 30 Ross! (J/k guys)

<<P.P.S. Is it me, or am I the only young person on this list? Please,
<<nobody take offense to this, but I consider people in their thirties pretty
<<old. Am I alone? :)

In a message dated 10/31/2000 1:34:02 AM Central Standard Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

<< Please,
<<nobody take offense to this, but I consider people in their thirties
pretty
<<old. Am I alone? :) >>

No offense, but I consider people under thirty babies.
Unless they're hot chicks, those I consider babes.

Happy Birthday Lynne!
And while we're all confessing too am in my 30's.
Anyone doing anything fun for Halloween?
Although it's never really been celebrated here like it is in the States (having
said that, two trick or treaters just came to our front door...first time in the
4 years I've lived in a house...instead of an apartment) , I've always loved it
and spent many a holiday in the U.S around Halloween.
Whoops..I'm straying from the subject...

er..Apes are kewl and stuff.

Best,
KEN

Lynne Miller wrote:

> This is fantastic!!!! Know why?? November 1st is my birthday and I was
> planning on celebrating all night and now I won't be in the least bored when
> the fun runs out...more fun!! I'm going to be *old*!!!! Well, okay, in my
> late 30's. Feel Old!!
> *Lynne*
>
> >From: JSe3689836@...
> >Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
> >To: pota@egroups.com
> >Subject: [pota] POTA on TNT
> >Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:53:48 -0000
> >
> > TNT is having a POTA night Wednesday, November 1st, starting at
> >11PM Eastern with POTA, followed by Beneath, then Escape. Thought
> >everyone would like to know. Enjoy, Go Apes, John
> >
>
> _____________

In a message dated 10/31/2000 2:58:55 AM Central Standard Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

<< Anyone doing anything fun for Halloween? >>

I was going to put on the Apes make-up for Halloween, but it's too much
trouble.
I don't get many trick or treaters, and with Halloween falling on a week
night, I'd be all dressed up with no place to go.

> Did I miss it?,
>
> I heard that CNN had a segement with Tim Burton on the new apes film.
> It was on Sunday or Saturday, I forgot which, I missed it. Supposedly,

they

> showed some clips of the original series, showed the differences between

the

> old and new make-up, etc. I can't believe I missed it, I'M SO

DISSAPOINTED!

> Did anyone catch it, or did anyone else at least hear about it? I want

to

> know what else was on it that I missed...?

Tim on CNN?
Dude don't say that, please don't say that.
I can't believe that I missed it too, I've got to start looking out for
these segments. Hopefuly E! channel or ET might have something coming up,
perhaps Fox E as well.

If I catch anything I'll post it on the site.

Alex

Bite your tongue, MAN! Don't say such things!!! Everyday is a good day
to GO APE! Take it from me, I've been doing it for years! It never gets
old, and people of all ages love the ape characters!

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.COM

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> I was going to put on the Apes make-up for Halloween, but it's too much
> trouble.
> I don't get many trick or treaters, and with Halloween falling on a week
> night, I'd be all dressed up with no place to go.
>

Dear fellow pota fans,

I've just had a poem of mine published on the web by the BBC (UK). It's not
pota related, but what the heck.

The url is:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/southtoday/yearoftheartist/writing/writing_5.sh
tml

FYI: I'm that idiot who's written a pota novel (currently in final draft, Nr
4)

<ducks and exits stage left>

M

Ross D. <smoothrt@...> wrote:

>P.P.S. Is it me, or am I the only young person on this list? Please,
>nobody take offense to this, but I consider people in their thirties pretty
>old. Am I alone? :)

I'm only 23!

So the movies, TV series and cartoon had all been and gone before I'd even
been born. Hope you oldies appreciate how lucky you all are!

Alan

Mark,

The poem doesn't have any Jag references, does it?

Michael

PS I am 35 going on 15!

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Gould [mark.gould@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2000 4:08
To: pota
Subject: [pota] A little self-advertisement

Dear fellow pota fans,

I've just had a poem of mine published on the web by the BBC (UK). It's not
pota related, but what the heck.

The url is:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/southtoday/yearoftheartist/writing/writing_5.sh
tml

FYI: I'm that idiot who's written a pota novel (currently in final draft, Nr
4)

<ducks and exits stage left>

M

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/10/30/halloween.makeup/index.html"
_____________

> Mark,
>
> The poem doesn't have any Jag references, does it?
>
> Michael

None at all, I'm afraid...

M

>
> PS I am 35 going on 15!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Gould [mark.gould@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2000 4:08
> To: pota
> Subject: [pota] A little self-advertisement
>
> Dear fellow pota fans,
>
> I've just had a poem of mine published on the web by the BBC (UK). It's not
> pota related, but what the heck.
>
> The url is:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/england/southtoday/yearoftheartist/writing/writing_5.sh
> tml
>
> FYI: I'm that idiot who's written a pota novel (currently in final draft, Nr
> 4)
>
> <ducks and exits stage left>
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/31/2000 12:26:55 PM Central Standard Time,
alan@... writes:

<< Hope you oldies appreciate how lucky you all are!>>

I hope you appreciate how lucky you are. They say youth is wasted on the
young.
Don't waste yours. To quote a Schlitz Beer commercial that was on before you
were born . . . Go for the Gusto !!!!!

In a message dated 10/31/2000 4:31:25 AM Central Standard Time,
byruiz@... writes:

<< Tim on CNN?
Dude don't say that, >>

Anyone know if we can request a tape of that Hollywood minute segment?

.html <.html

Thanks for the info Alex. I'm glad they got Chuck in. Where did you hear
about this? Go Apes! John

A British Sci-Fi mag, Dreamwatch, has a very nice article on
Linda Harrison. The edition has Lucy Lawless on the cover. Linda's
article is titled "Silent Witness". Some very nice Nova pix. She also
mentions that her sons will also be working on the remake (sorry,
reimagining!) She jokingly says she hopes her sons "drag their mother
along with them...I would love to do a cameo" I sure hope they do.
Maybe she could be the "Ape-Princess'" handmaiden. Or something. Go
for it Linda! Go Apes, John

> Thanks for the info Alex. I'm glad they got Chuck in. Where did you hear
> about this? Go Apes! John

www.movieheadlines.net/apes/default.php3

Best info on the web for the latest news on Tim's POTA!

Go Heston Go!

Yeah Baby!!

Alex

welcome to the board, edie! you're never too old to go ape!!! cheers.
pete h, in the forbidden zone (tucson, az)
-----Original Message-----
From: Edie Miller <emiller@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT

>Now you're really making me feel old. Hi gang, I'm new to the group. I'm
>in my mid 40s. I've gone APE since the 70s when they first came out, and
>have loved them ever since. I especially liked AMCs APE day last year,
>where Roddy hosted the shows and the making of. Then I'd heard he'd died.
>I always thought he was a great actor, whether Apes, comedy or other

dramas.

>It was like part of me had died too. I really enjoyed his work, especially
>as Cornelius.
>Edie
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
>
>
>> > happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)
>>
>> Wow, most everyone here is in there 30s.
>> I myself am 15 going on 35 next june. :o)
>>
>> Where does the time go?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

yes, we folks in our 30's are ancient!!!!!! :)
pete h
-----Original Message-----
From: locutusatwolf359@... <locutusatwolf359@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Burton CNN?

>Never trust anyone over 30 Ross! (J/k guys)
>
><<P.P.S. Is it me, or am I the only young person on this list? Please,
><<nobody take offense to this, but I consider people in their thirties

pretty

><<old. Am I alone? :)
>
>
>
>

.html
<.html

thanks for the welcome. Been going ape for 30 years now.
Edie

----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Harrison <pasta@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT


> welcome to the board, edie! you're never too old to go ape!!! cheers.
> pete h, in the forbidden zone (tucson, az)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edie Miller <emiller@...>
> To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
> Date: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
>
>
> >Now you're really making me feel old. Hi gang, I'm new to the group.
I'm
> >in my mid 40s. I've gone APE since the 70s when they first came out, and
> >have loved them ever since. I especially liked AMCs APE day last year,
> >where Roddy hosted the shows and the making of. Then I'd heard he'd
died.
> >I always thought he was a great actor, whether Apes, comedy or other
> dramas.
> >It was like part of me had died too. I really enjoyed his work,
especially
> >as Cornelius.
> >Edie
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
> >To: <pota@egroups.com>
> >Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:36 PM
> >Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
> >
> >
> >> > happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)
> >>
> >> Wow, most everyone here is in there 30s.
> >> I myself am 15 going on 35 next june. :o)
> >>
> >> Where does the time go?
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Yeeps ! I'm 38 ! - Jeff

At 02:32 AM 10/31/2000 EST, you wrote:

>Never trust anyone over 30 Ross! (J/k guys)
>
><<P.P.S. Is it me, or am I the only young person on this list? Please,
><<nobody take offense to this, but I consider people in their thirties pretty
><<old. Am I alone? :)
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 10/31/2000 5:30:48 PM Central Standard Time,
pasta@... writes:

<< yes, we folks in our 30's are ancient!!!!!! :) >>

And wise!!!!!

In a message dated 10/31/2000 7:19:38 AM Central Standard Time,
afryt4u@... writes:

<< Bite your tongue, MAN! Don't say such things!!! Everyday is a good day
to GO APE! >>

Oh don't get me wrong . . . If I had the good hair goods, I'd put it on for
even one Trick or Treater. For the record . . . I didn't get any. But I
dream of the day when I have the goods, Halloween falls on a weekend, I have
a great party to go to and it's cold! It was 80 degrees today and muggy. At
least in Page AZ. it's a dry heat.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> Oh don't get me wrong . . . If I had the good hair goods, I'd put it on for
> even one Trick or Treater. For the record . . . I didn't get any. But I
> dream of the day when I have the goods, Halloween falls on a weekend, I have
> a great party to go to and it's cold! It was 80 degrees today and muggy. At
> least in Page AZ. it's a dry heat.

Eghad! I've worn the Gorilla get-up in that kind of heat before! Yuck!
Gorillas are the hottest and most layered outfits. Tonight was much more
comfortable (50's) here in earthquake country (Northridge, CA).

People do love the APES. We had a really great response from everyone we
interacted with. One kid asked me if I was King Kong, which was funny. I told
him "no", but some of my lady-apes friends have been known to call me that!

Apey Halloween to everyone in the ring!

Brian Penikas
Keeper of the Glue and Faith for APEMANIA.com
<http://apemania.com/cast/brian.htm>

John <JSe3689836@...> wrote:

> A British Sci-Fi mag, Dreamwatch, has a very nice article on
>Linda Harrison. The edition has Lucy Lawless on the cover.

And the magazine "Hotdog" (Clint Eastwood on the cover) has an article on
PotA too. Don't know if it's any good or not, I've not read it yet.

Alan

Yeah!!!

What is he going to say now???

Get your hands off of me you damn dirty HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe not.

larry

>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: [pota] Chalrton Heston CAMEO!!!
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:36:46 -0500
>
>It appears that Heston has agreed to do a Cameo on Tim Burton's POTA
>Remake.
>Heston will play an Ape with a BIG GUN!
>Just kidding.
>
>Well he has agreed and will be in Tim's new film as an ape in a cameo
>appearance!
>
>Heeeee...Hooooo!!!
>
>Also I have just purchased another server so prophecysite.com will now be
>expanded to a whopping 500 megs online, with just about everything under
>the sun on POTA.
>
>Which means mucho more work for me, but worth it.
>
>Alex
>
>

_____________

Hi--

I just posted this to the B-FILM group, at EGROUPS, but thought this
might be of interest to some of you here, as well.

CINEFANTASTIQUE Magazine--along with movies ike the APES series,, of
course--was part of my mid-1970s exploration of, a "sense of wonder"--

As I suspect the magazine was, for others here, as well.

(To this day--remarkably, nearly THIRTY YEARS later--CFQ's special
PLANET OF THE APES issue--with a particularly nifty long-shot of Heston
and Harrison, at APES' climactic shoreline, on its cover--remains one
of the only sources of information, on the tetralogy.)

I wish, of course, that there had been no need to write the following,
at all...
________________


Last week, when I first read here, in a post, that Fred Clarke, the
publisher/edtor of CINEFANTASTIQUE, had passed away-- I was stunned.

'And hoped it was just one of those stupid "internet mistakes..."

But it bugged me.

A lot.

And because I didn't want to inadvertantly start a rumor by calling a
few of our mutual acquaintances, I did an internet search, for any info.

Nothing was coming up when it dawned on me that, had Fred died, there
would have been an obituary in THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE.

(CINEFANTASTQUE was centered in a Chicago suburb.)

I checked the TRIB, and, sadly, Fred's obit was there...

I don't know if it's possible for today's fantasy film fans to totally
gleem how important CINEFANTASTIQUE was to the history of the genre.

Today, virtually anything and everything you want to know about
movies--not to mention anything else--is just a mouse-click away.

Even before the internet revolution, book store magazine shelves were
filled with several mags on both the current scene, and the history, of
fantasy and horror flicks.

But in the early '70s, there was just about nothing.

Nothing for adults, anyway.

At least, adults interested in in-depth coverage of films of the
fantastic.

And nothing on a regular basis.

(CASTLE OF FRANKENSTEIN, Cal Beck's wondrous, strange newsprint magazine
was--to this day--the only monster mag that was as likley to have a
counterculture diatribe, as a look at the latest horror starlet, but it
was published irregulary...

(THE MONSTER TIMES, published in a still-unqiue newspaper/tabloid
format, was similarly hip, and fun, but hedged its bets by retaining a
bit of FAMOUS MONSTERS' youthful approach... There was nothing wrong
with that--in fact, for quite a while, iit was a terrific, combination!)

And then, CINEFANTASTIQUE appeared.
Slick, on glossy paper, with beautiful photo reproduction, and
professional journalism standards--

CFQ was really the first mag devoted strictly to science fiction and
fantasy, that, on a regular basis, provided fascinating, in-depth.
articles, with interviews, on the making of the genre's classics.

AND included--and was the ONLY magazine to do so, for many years--full
previews, of upcoming movies.

In the mid-70s, when I discovered the mag, literally, as a kid--

It was a thrilling moment!

And until at least 1980, the magazine remained the BEST source for the
field.

(And, if the editors of STARLOG and FANGORIA, are honest, one of the
places that they also looked to for information--in addition to VARIETY
and THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, in the earliest days of their mags...)

CFQ may have lost its way at some point in the early '80s, when, for a
while, it became too much of a special fects mag, but it was always a
first-class enterprise.

And some of CINEFANTASTIQUE'S "theme" issues of the '90s, were better
book-length looks at their subjects, then many actual books, published
on the same themes!

I don't know how much CFQ ultmately influenced the SF/FANTASY magazine
biz.
STARLOG (and, hence FANGORIA), probably would have been published
anyway, since STARLOG started--oddly enough--as a one-off STAR TREK
magazine, from an outfit that had
been doing soap opera publications.

Other mags would inevitably have come along...

But I DO KNOW that many of today's top filmmakers were heavily
influenced by CINEFANTASTIQUE, and the education they helped get, from
its pages.

And the point is, CFQ was there first--and its mark of quality, endured
far longer than that of most similar magazines.

I wrote for Fred Clarke only once, when he bought an article that had
originally been done for ESQUIRE (and which ESQUIRE had to bump when the
movie that it was about, was released AHEAD of schedule!).

We talked a few other times during the years, usually when he called to
see if I would do a piece for one of his magazines.

Sadly, I didn't have the time.

But I always found Fred a fun, and nice guy, to chat with, on the phone.

(Remarkably, someone just told me that Dan Scapperotti, a contributor to
CFQ almost from the beginning, also had never met Fred in person... All
of their correspondence was by phone, mail, and later, I suspect,
EMAIL...)

I was amazed to read in THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE, that Fred was only 51.

Which means he was only in his early twenties, when doing
CINEFANTASTQUE's earliest issues.

'All of which, of course, makes Fred's achievement, even more
remarkable!

But, what haunts me, is that I hope Fred knew, at the end, how important
his creaton had been, for so many years. to so many people.

I'm pretty sure I shared those sentiments, with him, during one of our
phone calls, years ago.

I just wish I could be sure.

If I remember correctly, Fred was a little embarrassed by the
compliment.

I hope he also knew, of course, that the compliment was true.

CINEFANTASTIQUE will REMAIN a milestone--

In the genre that, here, obviously, all of us hold so dear.

Jim Burns

(James H. Burns)

.html <.html

Here, Here James, well said, well written. Mr. Clarke did alright for
himself. To get something like CFQ off the ground in your early twenties
should be an inspiration to us all.

Aaaarrggghh,

This shameless self-promotion as offended my delicate sensibilities!
I'm quitting the group!

Just kidding . . .

Rudy's on JAG on Tues. the 14th

Just saw a new posting on Linda Harrison's website
(www.lindaharrison.com) Nov. 11 & 12 she will be appearing at the
South Jersey Movie, TV, Toys & Autograph Show, followed by a
screening of POTA at the Loews Theatre in Cherry Hill, NJ. Check out
her site for all the info. Should be pretty cool.

Just saw a new posting on Linda Harrison's website
(www.lindaharrison.com) Nov. 11 & 12 she will be appearing at the
South Jersey Movie, TV, Toys & Autograph Show, followed by a
screening of POTA at the Loews Theatre in Cherry Hill, NJ. Check out
her site for all the info. Should be pretty cool.

> Just saw a new posting on Linda Harrison's website
> (www.lindaharrison.com) Nov. 11 & 12 she will be appearing at the
> South Jersey Movie, TV, Toys & Autograph Show, followed by a
> screening of POTA at the Loews Theatre in Cherry Hill, NJ. Check out
> her site for all the info. Should be pretty cool.

Cool,
If I lived in the New Jersey area, I would have gone for sure.
Hopefuly she'll be down in Florida sometime.

Alex

Attachments :

Minions . . . attack.

Hey folks, it's Jeff Krueger- - -

Army Archerd's column in "Variety" comes up with some good stuff. He was
Arthur Jacobs' friend and had cameos in most of the "Apes" (notably as the
boxing referee in "Escape"). This week he mentioned the Heston cameo in the
new "Apes" and that shooting begins Nov. 6 in Paige, Arizona (that's Monday,
site of where the original began). Despite all the talk about a new take, it
sounds like they're throwing the fans a few bones. Remember when Heston said
he'd never play an ape (during the rumors that he would play Dr. Zauis)?
Remember when Zanuck said there was no role for Heston? The more things
change, the more they stay the same. Whoever convinced Heston should win the
Nobel Peace Prize.

Happy Birthday, Lynne! Your e-mails don't look a day over 30. My birthday
is Nov. 8, so if shooting gets postponed a couple days that's fine with me.
I won't say my age but I'm old enough to call "Star Wars" fans
"whippersnappers"!

Mark , I'm so glad to hear your tests turned out OK. Welcome back!

Brian, this dressing up like apes has to stop! When are you going to start
dressing normal, like a Klingon or Darth Vader or something?

Dreamworks: I don't think there's a chance they're involved. Fox wants
"Apes" for themselves. I think that's even the reason they canned James
Cameron. But Zanuck has signed a deal with Dreamworks for after "Apes".

New Release Date: The move to July 27 is interesting. A big movie like
that needs the summer to make back it's money. At that point they will only
have August. However that takes them out of the pathway of "Jurassic Park
3", which I hear is scheduled for July 4. Any way you look at it, it's going
to be a brutal summer. If they get pushed back any farther they'll have to
move to Christmas '01 or Summer '02.

"POTA Revisited": Yes, it's planned for July 2001 from St. Martin's Press.
Joe Russo called Natalie Trundy first to announce publication since she's
been helping his research since '84. I was there when he called her so he
told us both at the same time. At first it was going to be hardcover but now
they're leaning toward softcover, which Joe is trying to fight.

"Planet of the Apes" keeps us young! Never trust anyone who acts over 30.

- - - -
Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Chalrton Heston CAMEO!!!


> > Thanks for the info Alex. I'm glad they got Chuck in. Where did you hear
> > about this? Go Apes! John
>
> www.movieheadlines.net/apes/default.php3
>
> Best info on the web for the latest news on Tim's POTA!
>
> Go Heston Go!
>
> Yeah Baby!!
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html Hi, Jeff!

Thank you very much for your informations about POTA remake!

Adami

Jack Krueger escreveu:

   Hey folks, it's Jeff Krueger- - -

  Army Archerd's column in "Variety" comes up with some good stuff. He was
Arthur Jacobs' friend and had cameos in most of the "Apes" (notably as the
boxing referee in "Escape"). This week he mentioned the Heston cameo in the
new "Apes" and that shooting begins Nov. 6 in Paige, Arizona (that's Monday,
site of where the original began). Despite all the talk about a new take, it
sounds like they're throwing the fans a few bones. Remember when Heston said
he'd never play an ape (during the rumors that he would play Dr. Zauis)?
Remember when Zanuck said there was no role for Heston? The more things
change, the more they stay the same. Whoever convinced Heston should win the
Nobel Peace Prize.

  Happy Birthday, Lynne! Your e-mails don't look a day over 30. My birthday
is Nov. 8, so if shooting gets postponed a couple days that's fine with me.
I won't say my age but I'm old enough to call "Star Wars" fans
"whippersnappers"!

  Mark , I'm so glad to hear your tests turned out OK. Welcome back!

  Brian, this dressing up like apes has to stop! When are you going to start
dressing normal, like a Klingon or Darth Vader or something?

  Dreamworks: I don't think there's a chance they're involved. Fox wants
"Apes" for themselves. I think that's even the reason they canned James
Cameron. But Zanuck has signed a deal with Dreamworks for after "Apes".

  New Release Date: The move to July 27 is interesting. A big movie like
that needs the summer to make back it's money. At that point they will only
have August. However that takes them out of the pathway of "Jurassic Park
3", which I hear is scheduled for July 4. Any way you look at it, it's going
to be a brutal summer. If they get pushed back any farther they'll have to
move to Christmas '01 or Summer '02.

  "POTA Revisited": Yes, it's planned for July 2001 from St. Martin's Press.
Joe Russo called Natalie Trundy first to announce publication since she's
been helping his research since '84. I was there when he called her so he
told us both at the same time. At first it was going to be hardcover but now
they're leaning toward softcover, which Joe is trying to fight.

"Planet of the Apes" keeps us young! Never trust anyone who acts over 30.

                                                                     - - - -
Jeff Krueger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Chalrton Heston CAMEO!!!

> > Thanks for the info Alex. I'm glad they got Chuck in. Where did you hear
> > about this? Go Apes!  John
>
> www.movieheadlines.net/apes/default.php3
>
> Best info on the web for the latest news on Tim's POTA!
>
> Go Heston Go!
>
> Yeah Baby!!
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

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On Sci-fi channel on Halloween they were doing a 25th anniversary for The
Rocky Horror Picture Show and in the archive footage of the crowd was a guy
in full Apes make-up!

Ha! That's great, the Apes are slowly taking over! Governor Breck was right!
pjh
-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: [pota] Ape sighting

>
>
>
> On Sci-fi channel on Halloween they were doing a 25th anniversary for

The

>Rocky Horror Picture Show and in the archive footage of the crowd was a guy
>in full Apes make-up!
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 11/04/2000 8:25:28 PM Central Standard Time,
pasta@... writes:

<< Ha! That's great, the Apes are slowly taking over! Governor Breck was
right!
pjh >>

It'd be very slowly.
Remember, that movie it almost as old as POTA. So the crowd footage may be
two weeks or twenty years old.

I saw that "Rocky Horror" documentary of which you speak. It was a few
years back when it was on VHS but the guy in the ape makeup stood out. I
think the footage was from the early '80's when the Rocky Horror cult took
off. I have the R.H. DVD but I haven't watched the accompaning documentary
yet. I hope it's the same one. - - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Chalrton Heston CAMEO!!!


> > Thanks for the info Alex. I'm glad they got Chuck in. Where did you hear
> > about this? Go Apes! John
>
> www.movieheadlines.net/apes/default.php3
>
> Best info on the web for the latest news on Tim's POTA!
>
> Go Heston Go!
>
> Yeah Baby!!
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>

I meant VH1, not VHS. - - - Jeff Krueger

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:17 PM
Subject: [pota] Apey Horror


> I saw that "Rocky Horror" documentary of which you speak. It was a few
> years back when it was on VHS but the guy in the ape makeup stood out. I
> think the footage was from the early '80's when the Rocky Horror cult
took
> off. I have the R.H. DVD but I haven't watched the accompaning documentary
> yet. I hope it's the same one. - - - - Jeff Krueger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Chalrton Heston CAMEO!!!
>
>
> > > Thanks for the info Alex. I'm glad they got Chuck in. Where did you
hear
> > > about this? Go Apes! John
> >
> > www.movieheadlines.net/apes/default.php3
> >
> > Best info on the web for the latest news on Tim's POTA!
> >
> > Go Heston Go!
> >
> > Yeah Baby!!
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Anyone in Jag costumes?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Sunday, 5 November 2000 13:21
To: pota@egroups.com
Subject: [pota] Ape sighting




On Sci-fi channel on Halloween they were doing a 25th anniversary for
The
Rocky Horror Picture Show and in the archive footage of the crowd was a guy
in full Apes make-up!

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Jack Krueger wrote:

   Hey folks, it's Jeff Krueger- - -...

  Brian, this dressing up like apes has to stop! When are you going to start
dressing normal, like a Klingon or Darth Vader or something?

"Planet of the Apes" keeps us young! Never trust anyone who acts over 30.

                                                                     - - - -
Jeff Krueger

Hey Jeff,

Ape fans are unique.  Let the lesser breeds dress-up to be "normal", I say.

Brian

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> Anyone in Jag costumes?
>
> Michael

I had mine on, I was made up as Rudy.

Alex

In the beginning of Beneath, Taylor walks up to the cheesy blue
screen mountain and tries to smash it with the rifle butt. He falls
through and disappears. Since the mutants only weapons are illusion,
how does he disappear? It doesn't seem that the mutants can transport
people through solid rock(the ground, not the fake mountain). Is
Taylor just lying there and they make Nova think he disappeared, wait
for her to leave and then go up and get Taylor? Or is it just sloppy
screenwriting? I think the former. Any thoughts? John

I think he fell down into the underground city through one of their
tunnels.
Edie

----- Original Message -----
From: <JSe3689836@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:46 AM
Subject: [pota] Question about Beneath


In the beginning of Beneath, Taylor walks up to the cheesy blue
screen mountain and tries to smash it with the rifle butt. He falls
through and disappears. Since the mutants only weapons are illusion,
how does he disappear? It doesn't seem that the mutants can transport
people through solid rock(the ground, not the fake mountain). Is
Taylor just lying there and they make Nova think he disappeared, wait
for her to leave and then go up and get Taylor? Or is it just sloppy
screenwriting? I think the former. Any thoughts? John

Yeah, I got a one-word thought:

"budget"

Brian

JSe3689836@... wrote:

> In the beginning of Beneath, Taylor walks up to the cheesy blue
> screen mountain and tries to smash it with the rifle butt. He falls
> through and disappears. Since the mutants only weapons are illusion,
> how does he disappear? It doesn't seem that the mutants can transport
> people through solid rock(the ground, not the fake mountain). Is
> Taylor just lying there and they make Nova think he disappeared, wait
> for her to leave and then go up and get Taylor? Or is it just sloppy
> screenwriting? I think the former. Any thoughts? John

> In the beginning of Beneath, Taylor walks up to the cheesy blue
> screen mountain and tries to smash it with the rifle butt. He falls
> through and disappears. Since the mutants only weapons are illusion,
> how does he disappear? It doesn't seem that the mutants can transport
> people through solid rock(the ground, not the fake mountain). Is
> Taylor just lying there and they make Nova think he disappeared, wait
> for her to leave and then go up and get Taylor? Or is it just sloppy
> screenwriting? I think the former. Any thoughts? John

Yeah,
I'd have to agree with Brian, it all comes down to budget.
It's a shame the films budget went down following the original, in this day
and age they go up. So what was 20th Century Fox thinking about?

There's an old saying, it takes money to make money.
And I believe that was one of the reasons for Beneath's low numbers at the
box office. But still a favorite film for me simply because it's the last
you see of the future ape world in the series.
Damn shame.

Alex

As a kid, because of the poor sequel quality of the APES saga, I was soured to
the idea of sequels for any film. APES seemed to set a standard of "cheaper
and cheaper" that left theatre going audiences feeling cheated, rather than
entertained by the follow-up films. I remember being in High School and just
dreading any sort of sequel to any film, all because of the precedent the APES
series set.

It wasn't until the incredible success of the ROAD WARRIOR, that I think film
makers woke up and realized that if you put a little effort (and $) into
sequels, that you might actually turn out a good product that people will want
to see.
WRATH of KAHN, ALIENS, and TERMINATOR 2 were also great examples of
successful sequels with a quality that shows.

So nowadays, budget does not seem to be an issue for sequals. Look at the
production value of the Batman movies.

Unfortunately Hollywood was going through such a depression back in the late
60's that the major studios were demolishing their back lots and selling off
the great historical lands to developers. It's kindof sickening, but they had
to do what they thought best to keep afloat. It just sucks that all those
great sets are gone "with the wind", so to speak, and now have condos or
office buildings standing in their place.

Anyway, enuff grumbling...

I just think it would be nice to visit a place like MGM (now SONY) and be able
to walk around some great Hollywood history that is now only that, ...history.

B




Alexander Ruiz wrote:

> > In the beginning of Beneath, Taylor walks up to the cheesy blue
> > screen mountain and tries to smash it with the rifle butt. He falls
> > through and disappears. Since the mutants only weapons are illusion,
> > how does he disappear? It doesn't seem that the mutants can transport
> > people through solid rock(the ground, not the fake mountain). Is
> > Taylor just lying there and they make Nova think he disappeared, wait
> > for her to leave and then go up and get Taylor? Or is it just sloppy
> > screenwriting? I think the former. Any thoughts? John
>
> Yeah,
> I'd have to agree with Brian, it all comes down to budget.
> It's a shame the films budget went down following the original, in this day
> and age they go up. So what was 20th Century Fox thinking about?
>
> There's an old saying, it takes money to make money.
> And I believe that was one of the reasons for Beneath's low numbers at the
> box office. But still a favorite film for me simply because it's the last
> you see of the future ape world in the series.
> Damn shame.
>
> Alex

It's not so bad,

There's a lot of possible explanations one can come up with for the
"Taylor Dissapearance." Some are not so unreasonable, there are other, more
prominent mistakes. Upon watching the dvd last night (for the first time) I
noticed a couple things. General Ursus clearly tells Dr. Zaius in the sauna
type room that 12 of his scouts went out into the forbidden zone, and only 1
returned. Yet, in the scene where those supposed 11 scouts are being
crucified upside down by the law giver, there appears to be a lot more than
11 gorillas. If you pause it at the right time, I counted up to actually 15
of them, so there's a slip right there. I know it's picky, but it just
shows what happens when for the sequel, you reduce the budget by almost 1/2
of the first, which wasn't large to begin with anyways.




Ross (Dr. Milo)


P.S. I noticed something kind of funny too. As Brent and Nova are dragged
into the compound, before General Ursus says they're marked for target
practice. Watch Zira working on that human laying down on the table, legs
spread apart. What exactly IS she doing...? :)
_____________

> I just think it would be nice to visit a place like MGM (now SONY) and be

able

> to walk around some great Hollywood history that is now only that,

...history.

Or even so, if Fox would open a theme park like Universal Studios.
And apes being one of the attractions.
I believe WB Studios will be the next theme park here in Florida with all of
those looney toons as their icons. I only hope Fox would get into it as
well.

Alex

Gotta agree with you, Brian & Alex (Excuse my typo, I meant "latter")
Being that the world wasn't so wired together back then, I guess they figured
either no one would notice or care. Too bad they didn't put more care into
Beneath, it could have been a much more worthy follow up to POTA. Although I
still like it, in a kinda trashy sci fi flick way.

Got that right Alex. Get some rides set up. Throw in an Ape Zoo
Bar/Restaurant.I'll have the corn on the cob & banana daquiri!

> Got that right Alex. Get some rides set up. Throw in an Ape Zoo
> Bar/Restaurant.I'll have the corn on the cob & banana daquiri!

You'd be surprised, the New "Islands of Adventure" by Universal Studios will
blow your mind!
The Jurrasic Park there is kick ass!
Spielberg himself put it together, what a true genius that guy is!

Not to speak out of topic of course! :o)

Alex

taylor was still there, but unable to move or speak.......the mutants made
nova think he had disappeared! then, when she left, they came and got
him..........my question is, when did he lose the loincloth and get the
groovy white duds? probably from don pedro colley, the godfather of groove!

pete h, still alive in the forbidden zone aka tucson
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross D. <smoothrt@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 05, 2000 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Question about Beneath

>It's not so bad,
>
> There's a lot of possible explanations one can come up with for the
>"Taylor Dissapearance." Some are not so unreasonable, there are other,

more

>prominent mistakes. Upon watching the dvd last night (for the first time)

I

>noticed a couple things. General Ursus clearly tells Dr. Zaius in the

sauna

>type room that 12 of his scouts went out into the forbidden zone, and only

1

>returned. Yet, in the scene where those supposed 11 scouts are being
>crucified upside down by the law giver, there appears to be a lot more than
>11 gorillas. If you pause it at the right time, I counted up to actually

15

>of them, so there's a slip right there. I know it's picky, but it just
>shows what happens when for the sequel, you reduce the budget by almost 1/2
>of the first, which wasn't large to begin with anyways.
>
>
>
>
>Ross (Dr. Milo)
>
>
>P.S. I noticed something kind of funny too. As Brent and Nova are dragged
>into the compound, before General Ursus says they're marked for target
>practice. Watch Zira working on that human laying down on the table, legs
>spread apart. What exactly IS she doing...? :)
>_____________

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
To: pota@egroups.com <pota@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, November 05, 2000 7:41 PM
Subject: [pota] Hey David!

David Ballard.

Say buddy are okay over there in England?

I've been seening for the last few days on the news how England has been under water because of heavy rains.

 

If your computer hasn't floated away, or if your still with the group, let us know how your doing buddy.

 

A concerned fellow POTA fan,

Alex

 

 

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> taylor was still there, but unable to move or speak.......the mutants made
> nova think he had disappeared! then, when she left, they came and got
> him..........my question is, when did he lose the loincloth and get the
> groovy white duds? probably from don pedro colley, the godfather of

groove!

>
> pete h, still alive in the forbidden zone aka tucson

Yeah, that makes sence.
Which come to think about it, Brent's encounter with Taylor was a quick one,
seeing that Taylor is pretty much well shaven when they meet face to face.
Poor Brent, he didn't even have time to play hubby with Nova.

I never really did see Beneath as a B movie, and if it is, it's the best B
movie I've ever seen. B movies are normaly very poorly acted and there
wasn't a moment of poor acting in this film.

Alex

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Well, I emailed David a few days ago and both of us were still dry. Trouble is, an other batch of rain is upon us as I speak

M


David Ballard.
Say buddy are okay over there in England?
I've been seening for the last few days on the news how England has been under water because of heavy rains.

If your computer hasn't floated away, or if your still with the group, let us know how your doing buddy.

A concerned fellow POTA fan,
Alex
 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Gould

To: pota@egroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 1:50 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Hey David!

Well, I emailed David a few days ago and both of us were still dry. Trouble is, an other batch of rain is upon us as I speak

M


David Ballard.
Say buddy are okay over there in England?
I've been seening for the last few days on the news how England has been under water because of heavy rains.

If your computer hasn't floated away, or if your still with the group, let us know how your doing buddy.

A concerned fellow POTA fan,
Alex
 

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the concern, I'm safe and sound and just back from a
family holiday in Cyprus. I'm now the same colour that Charlton
Heston was at the end of "Planet" but there all resemblance ends.

Mr Postman has left me two interesting parcels... One is Alex's
tribute CD. If you live in the UK and want a copy drop me a line. I
was up all last night dancing to it. I can't wait until I get an
invite to a party, I know what record I'll be taking.

Number two is a VHS copy of "Time of the Apes"

WOW!

I thought it was good fun in a very strange kind of way. I never knew
that "fluctuations in temperature could cause you to travel backward
rather than forward in time!" Thank God I bought this video.

As for the floods we're having in the UK I haven't needed to blow the
escape hatch and throw out an inflatable dinghy just yet. I don't
think my collection of Marvel magazines is in any danger.

> Mr Postman has left me two interesting parcels... One is Alex's
> tribute CD. If you live in the UK and want a copy drop me a line. I
> was up all last night dancing to it. I can't wait until I get an
> invite to a party, I know what record I'll be taking.

Glad you liked it, soon I'll have all of these tunes on the site in "MP3
Stereo" for all to download and convert to a CD themselves.
But for now burn the hell out it if you like.
It's just a fan project, with more to come in the future.

> As for the floods we're having in the UK I haven't needed to blow the
> escape hatch and throw out an inflatable dinghy just yet. I don't
> think my collection of Marvel magazines is in any danger.

That's cool, I'm glad you and M are alright, I remember you were going on
vacation, but I knew you would be back by now. Your silence scared me, I
thought you might of come home from vaction to find no home!
Dude if the rains continue like this you might be interested in building an
ARK.
Just an idea. :o)

Cool,

Alex

--- In pota@egroups.com, "Alexander Ruiz" <byruiz@b...> wrote:

> Glad you liked it, soon I'll have all of these tunes on the site in

"MP3 > Stereo" for all to download and convert to a CD themselves.

> But for now burn the hell out it if you like.
> It's just a fan project, with more to come in the future.

> Dude if the rains continue like this you might be interested in

building an

> ARK.
> Just an idea. :o)

> Alex

I find one of the most interesting "side effects" of POTA is that it
seems to spark a creative urge in many of it's fans.

Even if I hated the CD I'd still appreciate the hard work that went
into it's production. The same goes for Mark Gould's fantastic
preview of his novel in progress.

Bugger building an Ark... If it carries on raining like this I'm
crawling into a hibernation chamber... Wake me up on July 27th!

Where can I get a copy of Time Of The Apes?
Edie

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ballard <dballard@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:59 AM
Subject: [pota] Hey David


Hey guys,

Thanks for the concern, I'm safe and sound and just back from a
family holiday in Cyprus. I'm now the same colour that Charlton
Heston was at the end of "Planet" but there all resemblance ends.

Mr Postman has left me two interesting parcels... One is Alex's
tribute CD. If you live in the UK and want a copy drop me a line. I
was up all last night dancing to it. I can't wait until I get an
invite to a party, I know what record I'll be taking.

Number two is a VHS copy of "Time of the Apes"

WOW!

I thought it was good fun in a very strange kind of way. I never knew
that "fluctuations in temperature could cause you to travel backward
rather than forward in time!" Thank God I bought this video.

As for the floods we're having in the UK I haven't needed to blow the
escape hatch and throw out an inflatable dinghy just yet. I don't
think my collection of Marvel magazines is in any danger.

Hi Edie,
It tends to show up on Ebay from time to time as either the regular
version or with the "Mystery Science Theatre" treatment.
Happy viewing!
Best,
KEN

Edie Miller wrote:

> Where can I get a copy of Time Of The Apes?
> Edie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Ballard <dballard@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:59 AM
> Subject: [pota] Hey David
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Thanks for the concern, I'm safe and sound and just back from a
> family holiday in Cyprus. I'm now the same colour that Charlton
> Heston was at the end of "Planet" but there all resemblance ends.
>
> Mr Postman has left me two interesting parcels... One is Alex's
> tribute CD. If you live in the UK and want a copy drop me a line. I
> was up all last night dancing to it. I can't wait until I get an
> invite to a party, I know what record I'll be taking.
>
> Number two is a VHS copy of "Time of the Apes"
>
> WOW!
>
> I thought it was good fun in a very strange kind of way. I never knew
> that "fluctuations in temperature could cause you to travel backward
> rather than forward in time!" Thank God I bought this video.
>
> As for the floods we're having in the UK I haven't needed to blow the
> escape hatch and throw out an inflatable dinghy just yet. I don't
> think my collection of Marvel magazines is in any danger.

I'll try to get it. Thank You.
Edie

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Hey David


Hi Edie,
It tends to show up on Ebay from time to time as either the regular
version or with the "Mystery Science Theatre" treatment.
Happy viewing!
Best,
KEN

Edie Miller wrote:

> Where can I get a copy of Time Of The Apes?
> Edie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Ballard <dballard@...>
> To: <pota@egroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:59 AM
> Subject: [pota] Hey David
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Thanks for the concern, I'm safe and sound and just back from a
> family holiday in Cyprus. I'm now the same colour that Charlton
> Heston was at the end of "Planet" but there all resemblance ends.
>
> Mr Postman has left me two interesting parcels... One is Alex's
> tribute CD. If you live in the UK and want a copy drop me a line. I
> was up all last night dancing to it. I can't wait until I get an
> invite to a party, I know what record I'll be taking.
>
> Number two is a VHS copy of "Time of the Apes"
>
> WOW!
>
> I thought it was good fun in a very strange kind of way. I never knew
> that "fluctuations in temperature could cause you to travel backward
> rather than forward in time!" Thank God I bought this video.
>
> As for the floods we're having in the UK I haven't needed to blow the
> escape hatch and throw out an inflatable dinghy just yet. I don't
> think my collection of Marvel magazines is in any danger.

Re: the P.S. I suspect a nadectomy.

The Linda Harrison website posted an announcement that she will
have a cameo appearance as a Nova-like character with Mark Wahlberg.
I'm glad to see Dick Zanuck didn't leave his ex out of all the fun.
Made my day! Go Apes, Go Nova, Go Linda!!!

I've been re-watching all the movies and am part way through Escape now ( I
watch these in pieces throughout the day , as I work out of the house ...)
and I was quite interested in the comments about Beneath.

I found it disappointing, but still engaging. It's interesting though, many
years later and many series later, that I want the same thing I always did
from an apes sequel - MORE of that wonderful world we see in the first
movie. I don't really feel like we see more of it in Beneath and drives me
to WHAT WOULD I DO ?. I don't have a big detailed outline my head, but the
general answers are there.

I'd see more of the city, other cities, more faucets of the culture and
allow Taylor a safe haven ( temporarily of course ), maybe with other
intelligent humans, ones that could interact with the apes, even safe apes
that could give him a home.More Zira and Cornelius, more Zaius. I'd include
mutated animals for thrills and allow Taylor to investigate this future
world in detail. The more weirdness the better.

I don't really want to ponder what I'd do with a sequel now, I have dinner
to make, but what would some of you do with it ? - Jeff the curious

> I'd see more of the city, other cities, more faucets of the culture and
> allow Taylor a safe haven ( temporarily of course ), maybe with other
> intelligent humans, ones that could interact with the apes, even safe apes
> that could give him a home.More Zira and Cornelius, more Zaius. I'd

include

> mutated animals for thrills and allow Taylor to investigate this future
> world in detail. The more weirdness the better.
>
> I don't really want to ponder what I'd do with a sequel now, I have dinner
> to make, but what would some of you do with it ? - Jeff the curious

I'd just leave it the way it is, Beneath is a really cool film.
Hey but that's me. As I'm sure others would have a different point of view.

Alex

> The Linda Harrison website posted an announcement that she will
> have a cameo appearance as a Nova-like character with Mark Wahlberg.
> I'm glad to see Dick Zanuck didn't leave his ex out of all the fun.
> Made my day! Go Apes, Go Nova, Go Linda!!!

EX-CE-LLENT!!
Thanks man, that's great news!

Before you know it the whole original cast that's still around is going to
be doing cameos! Then, I want to see how fans will put down the remake!

hehehehehehe!!!

Go Tim Go!

Alex

Welcome Edie!! So glad you joined up on this list.
*Lynne*

>From: "Edie Miller" <emiller@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:28:57 -0600
>
>Now you're really making me feel old. Hi gang, I'm new to the group. I'm
>in my mid 40s. I've gone APE since the 70s when they first came out, and
>have loved them ever since. I especially liked AMCs APE day last year,
>where Roddy hosted the shows and the making of. Then I'd heard he'd died.
>I always thought he was a great actor, whether Apes, comedy or other
>dramas.
>It was like part of me had died too. I really enjoyed his work, especially
>as Cornelius.
>Edie
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
>
>
> > > happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)
> >
> > Wow, most everyone here is in there 30s.
> > I myself am 15 going on 35 next june. :o)
> >
> > Where does the time go?
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

_____________

I want to take this time to thank the very kind people who sent me Birthday
Wishes: Alex, John, Larry, Alan, Pete, LordTZreO....Thanks guys!!! And
thanks to TNT for running Apes for me, too! I spent the whole day on the
couch watching it. I noticed some scenes in Conquest that I hadn't noticed
before on network TV. Interesting!! Had a blast!!
*Lynne*
_____________

How about a full blown heresy trial for Zira & Cornelius. After all, the
first just featured a "hearing" before the National Academy of Science. Could
really explore the ape culture through testimony of the various witnesses.
Employ flashbacks. The ending could have Taylor returning with an army of
intelligent humans and saving Z & C from the gallows. Just thought this up,
seems like there could be some material to work with. Later, John

Let's see, who's left? There's Kim Hunter, although I seem to remember
hearing somewhere that she's not too big on the whole Ape thing. James
Whitmore still doing Miracle Gro spots. Buck Kartalian &v Don Pedro Colley
are still going strong. Not sure about Woodrow Parfey (Dr Maximus, our
commisioner for animal affairs) James Daly's gone. (Dr Honorius). Who know's
what devilry they could pull with CGI, like bringing Roddy & Maurice back
from the great ape beyond. OK, so now I'm gettin' silly. Go Apes! John

> How about a full blown heresy trial for Zira & Cornelius. After all,

the

> first just featured a "hearing" before the National Academy of Science.

Could

> really explore the ape culture through testimony of the various witnesses.
> Employ flashbacks. The ending could have Taylor returning with an army of
> intelligent humans and saving Z & C from the gallows. Just thought this

up,

> seems like there could be some material to work with. Later, John

Well, in the case of adding instead of taking away, I would add a few
things.
1> Zira & Cornelius being cleared of all charges.
2> Zaius showing Cornelius the sacret scrolls that he later explains in
Escape.
3> Zira, Cornelius and Milo encountering Taylor's Ship.

So I would add, but not take away.

Alex

Check out the Tim Burton POTA site
(http://planetoapes.tripod.com/news.html. Click on latest findings.
It has a posting from Fandom by "Smilin Jack" who somehow snuck in
and he describes what sounds like a pretty wild set. Enjoy, John

.html <.html

our pleasure, lynne!
pete h
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
To: POTA@... <POTA@...>
Date: Monday, November 06, 2000 6:38 PM
Subject: [pota] Birthday greetings!

>I want to take this time to thank the very kind people who sent me Birthday
>Wishes: Alex, John, Larry, Alan, Pete, LordTZreO....Thanks guys!!! And
>thanks to TNT for running Apes for me, too! I spent the whole day on the
>couch watching it. I noticed some scenes in Conquest that I hadn't noticed
>before on network TV. Interesting!! Had a blast!!
> *Lynne*
>_____________

I'd like to Taylor find a workable ship and travel overseas and see what
the world is like over there. Plenty of avenues to take.
Edie

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Doten <dotenj@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 6:20 PM
Subject: [pota] What would you do with " Beneath" ?


I've been re-watching all the movies and am part way through Escape now ( I
watch these in pieces throughout the day , as I work out of the house ...)
and I was quite interested in the comments about Beneath.

I found it disappointing, but still engaging. It's interesting though, many
years later and many series later, that I want the same thing I always did
from an apes sequel - MORE of that wonderful world we see in the first
movie. I don't really feel like we see more of it in Beneath and drives me
to WHAT WOULD I DO ?. I don't have a big detailed outline my head, but the
general answers are there.

I'd see more of the city, other cities, more faucets of the culture and
allow Taylor a safe haven ( temporarily of course ), maybe with other
intelligent humans, ones that could interact with the apes, even safe apes
that could give him a home.More Zira and Cornelius, more Zaius. I'd include
mutated animals for thrills and allow Taylor to investigate this future
world in detail. The more weirdness the better.

I don't really want to ponder what I'd do with a sequel now, I have dinner
to make, but what would some of you do with it ? - Jeff the curious

Thanks for the welcome. Not really to sure what to say yet, but I'll get
there. I'm more a lurker, I guess, trying to overcome that, though.
Edie

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynne Miller <cosmicraye@...>
To: <pota@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT


Welcome Edie!! So glad you joined up on this list.
*Lynne*


>From: "Edie Miller" <emiller@...>
>Reply-To: pota@egroups.com
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
>Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:28:57 -0600
>
>Now you're really making me feel old. Hi gang, I'm new to the group. I'm
>in my mid 40s. I've gone APE since the 70s when they first came out, and
>have loved them ever since. I especially liked AMCs APE day last year,
>where Roddy hosted the shows and the making of. Then I'd heard he'd
died.
>I always thought he was a great actor, whether Apes, comedy or other
>dramas.
>It was like part of me had died too. I really enjoyed his work,
especially
>as Cornelius.
>Edie
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...>
>To: <pota@egroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [pota] POTA on TNT
>
>
> > > happy birthday lynne!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > pete, who will be 33 years old on 30 nov! :)
> >
> > Wow, most everyone here is in there 30s.
> > I myself am 15 going on 35 next june. :o)
> >
> > Where does the time go?
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

_____________

As some already know,

I have written a novel revolving around a trial for heresy, and an
exploration of the world that the apes exist within. I too wanted more of
the world to see.

So i wrote it myself.

The novel is finished, and is being polished for the final draft. someone is
also looking at contacting Fox about it for me. There are some who have read
parts (including a published top novelist) and they all concur, with one
notable exception, that it really is worth the candle.

Sadly, every mention on this list of such a thing is ignored (as has been
commented on by some subscribing to this list privately). Now if it had talk
of Gorillas bits...

It ain't no peice of fan fic.

M

Jeff Doten <dotenj@...> wrote:

>I'd see more of the city, other cities, more faucets of the culture and
>allow Taylor a safe haven ( temporarily of course ), maybe with other
>intelligent humans, ones that could interact with the apes, even safe apes
>that could give him a home.

Well personally I'm in the camp that wouldn't alter the film. However, since
we're talking hypothetically here, here's a few things that I wouldn't have
minded seeing:

* Not so much more of the ape world, since I think we saw that in Beneath,
but definitely more of the culture and society.

* What actually happened between Cornelius, Zira and Zaius - the hearing or
whatever.

* And how about Milo while we're at it!

* More of the Sacred Scrolls and what they mean to the apes

More intelligent humans is a no-no in my book (except those lovable mutants,
obviously). This would take the film in a different direction that I don't
think would be a good one. Part of the reason Escape is my least favourite
is that there are too many humans and not enough apes.

Alan

Alexander Ruiz <byruiz@...> wrote:

>Before you know it the whole original cast that's still around is going to
>be doing cameos! Then, I want to see how fans will put down the remake!

The story, the script, the performances, the directing - plenty of other
ideas of how to trash the remake!

Alan

> The story, the script, the performances, the directing - plenty of other
> ideas of how to trash the remake!
>
> Alan

Ahhhh...baby got boo boo?

Alex

Mark Gould <mark.gould@...> wrote:

>Sadly, every mention on this list of such a thing is ignored (as has been
>commented on by some subscribing to this list privately). Now if it had

talk

>of Gorillas bits...
>
>It ain't no peice of fan fic.

Well, I'm not going to start the fan fic debate again, but I think you're
being a bit harsh in saying that it's being ignored. I seem to recall some
discussion about it when you posted the preview here - and since that's all
we have to go on it's hard to keep a discussion going on it.

If you want to tell us more about it, send another extract or whatever, I'm
more than happy to comment on it.

Alan