.htmlIn a message dated 4/18/01 10:05:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

Also, the Orang played by Paul Williams in Battle (sorry Rory - hey, you can
use it for target practise OK?).

Did you guys know Paul Williams didn't need in makeup when he did "Battle"?

-- Rory<.html

i have included a link to my web site which has many poa movie props ,masks
,toys on it goapebilly <A HREF="http://www.billysbasement.com/">
http://www.billysbasement.com/</A>

Ok we got it. You're out of town and in Vegas for Aperil. Please stop sending
this message.

Loc

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The 3 Orangutans making up the High Tribunal of the National Academy of
Science are Dr. Maximus, Commissioner for Animal Affairs, The President of
the Academy(No Name) & Dr. Zaius, Minister of Science and Chief Defender of
the Faith. Dr. Honorius was the prosecutor. And how about throwing in the
Gorilla baliff ? All Rise!! John

LOL -- I just took a long shot and tried to unsub Brian. It didn't
work, but it seems Caesar may have already corrected things anyway.

Hail, Caesar!! (and thanks) /Mez

.htmlIn a message dated 4/18/01 6:29:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

    The 3 Orangutans making up the High Tribunal of the National Academy
of
Science are Dr. Maximus, Commissioner for Animal Affairs, The President of
the Academy(No Name) & Dr. Zaius, Minister of Science and Chief Defender of
the Faith. Dr. Honorius was the prosecutor. And how about throwing in the
Gorilla baliff ? All Rise!!   John

John, you forgot the chimpanzee court stenographer.   Also, it wasn't the
high tribunal.... it was the ad hoc Tribunal of the National Academy.  And,
Dr. Honorius was Deputy Minister of Justice.

As for Medicoms we didn't get.... well I'm fairly satisfied.  What I'd like
to see is more and better resin kits.  Like a kit of the Tribunal at their
desk striking the 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil' pose.  Or a kit
of those three gorilla hunters 'smiling' as they get their picture took with
the one in the middle with his foot on a pile of dead men.  YEAH!!!   That
would be cool!

Did anybody else here get the Icarus spaceship kit from Monstersinmotion.com?
   It's $100, but it's worth it.  I also have the smaller Skyhook kit.  
They're both cool.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/18/01 9:21:35 AM Central Daylight Time, slave1@...
writes:

Brian,

What's up with the messages shooting off every three minutes?

Man am I glad to know I'm not the only one that has about 1,000,000 of his
emails.I am glad I was notified,but this is rediculous.

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Hi Rory,
Yeah, I have both of those kits also. The Monsters In Motion one is
sensational. My only complaint is that there are no rockets at the back
and the hibernation bunks are included. But the sculpt and interior
detail are the best yet.
Best,
KEN

I meant to say that the hibernation bunks WEREN'T included.
But I'm sure you knew that.
Best,
KEN

Ken & Heather Taylor wrote:

> Hi Rory,
> Yeah, I have both of those kits also. The Monsters In Motion one is
> sensational. My only complaint is that there are no rockets at the back
> and the hibernation bunks are included. But the sculpt and interior
> detail are the best yet.
> Best,
> KEN
>
>
>
>
>

Apemania has some good resin kits. I hope this doesn't attract a hundred
"We're in Vegas" posts. John

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/18/01 9:52:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kentaylor@... writes:

Hi Rory,
Yeah, I have  both of those kits also. The Monsters In Motion one is
sensational. My only complaint is that there are no rockets at the back
and the hibernation bunks are included. But the sculpt and interior
detail are the best yet.
Best,
KEN

Well, you know I'm really not sure that there should be rockets in the back.  
I have a theory and it goes like this....

Obviously there was more to Taylor's ship.  Remember in the movie that just
before we see the water start to spray into the cabin from the rear hatchway
door we hear this loud screeching sound?   My theory is that this was the
sound of the back half of the ship breaking away and sinking, much as the
Titanic broke in half as it went down.  That left the rear door (which would
be airtight and therefore watertight) ruptured enough to begin to let the sea
in.

It would make little sense if there were rockets at the very back of Taylor's
ship as we have with the Monters in Motion resin kit.  Where would their fuel
supply come from, and wouldn't they be just too damn near the crew's cabin?  
The noise and vibration would be horrible.

Also, if we are to except that Dr. Milo salvaged Taylor's ship (which really
needs a lot of 'suspension of disbelief'), then he must have also recovered a
booster portion of the ship in order to relaunch it into orbit so that the
three chimpanzees could go to....  Oh, yeah...We don't know where they were
going, do we?

Anyway, Ken, I was also a little disappointed with the interior, but how did
you paint your Icarus Monsters in Motion kit?   I painted mine with a white
auto paint that gives a very hard surface when it dries, but unfortunately I
did it with a brush, so the surface isn't smooth as it would if I had spray
painted it, but I had no area to spray paint in.  But it looks good from a
distance.  I also didn't add the scorching burns from re-entry.  I wanted the
model clean.  The American Flag decals aren't big enough, did you notice?  
And if you look at the ship in the movie, there are flags on both sides of
the stabilizer rockets.  It was also hard to get the right shade of olive
green for the area in front of the windows, but I think I eventually did
pretty good.

The biggest pain I had with this kit, though, was the amount of filling I had
to do on the nose cone to get it to fit right.  For some reason they made it
too wide.  Also, I painted the nose cone white.  They tell you it should be
brass, and if you look at the movie, the model ship shown sinking does have a
brass nose cone.  But I think they must have changed their minds with the
full scale prop ship.  The nose cone looks either white or possibly silver,
but it's so covered with scorching it's hard to tell.

With the Skyhook model I painted it to look just like the ship in the film,
scorching and all, though again I painted the nose cone white.  I also built
up around the base of the ship where it meets the water, drops of glue and
white paint so you get the look of the bubbling water around the ship.

They were fun kits to do.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/18/01 10:35:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

    Apemania has some good resin kits. I hope this doesn't attract a
hundred
"We're in Vegas" posts.   John

I've never gotten any of the Apemania resin kits.  I don't know why.  I guess
I'm just not too into busts.  They look good though.

I've been meaning to bring this up.  I've bought two of the Medicom Lawgivers
because I want to try and paint one of them to look more like the movie.  
Now, in the film the Lawgiver statue looks like it's supposed to be made of
marble.  Does anyone here have any ideas how to create a marble effect with
model paints?

-- Rory

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.htmlHow do you know this to be true, Alex?   Well, I'll be checking this out
anyway.  I wonder how much of the apes they'll show?

Hey, Alex....  I'd make a face like this   :(l)

See, that's supposed to be an ape face, get it?    ;(D)

-- Rory

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I did the same thing, got a confirmation that I successfully
unsubscribed, but then more messages appeared. Wonder if the problem with
the Apemania mails had anything to do with it. I was going to resubscribe
in a week or so (don't need another friggin' 200 e-mails in the old
inbox) but maybe I don't have to now.

Chris L.


On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:03:55 -0000 "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
writes:

> LOL -- I just took a long shot and tried to unsub Brian. It didn't
> work, but it seems Caesar may have already corrected things anyway.

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Alex,

Let us know when you have the trailer up on your site.

Matt

Yeah, your theory is probably right Rory and does make sense. I didn't
actually build my model, I had my sister-in-law build it for me ( under
my supervision). She's an amazing model maker and has worked in a hobby
store for 20 years. We sat with the video on pause just to make sure we
had the scorching and re-entry burns all in the exact places. We did the
nose silver. We had a hell of a time w/ the lettering decals and had to
use lettraset ( of all things) instead. My sister-in-law has an amazing
inventory of model pits and pieces including decals, so we could put all
4 U.S flags on using decals from some other kit.
The fit of the cone was tough and did require a lot of work. The cuss
words I learned that day!
I'm pretty much an annoying perfectionist, especially when I'm not the
one doing the building.
It all quite easily could have ended in tears.
Mine.
The finished ship looks fantastic. I've also had her repaint all seven
of the figural Addar kits. My original efforts look like they'd been
painted with a tooth brush. She has also painted a need Cornelius
"bobbing head" resin kit and a really nice Urko bust. After the first
Icarus model, I didn't even bother getting the Skyhooks version built.
As nice as it is.
A while back there was some posts ( or it may have been on Terry Hoknes'
site) about some really nicely detailed Resin kits of the Astro-apes and
Caesar from "Conquest". Anyone got or seen these?
Best,
KEN

A few days ago Rory posted the first five or so pages of Pierre Boulle's
Planet of the Men Script which contained a scene about Taylor and Nova
discovering a tribe of humans and Taylor swearing to help man rise again. I
am going to move the story along for those who are interested (but not type
the whole script).

The next scene takes place four years later. Zaius and Maximus are concerned
about chimpanzees that are demonstrating about the imprisonment of Zira and
Cornelius. Lucius is leading the demonstration. Zaius blames Taylor for the
whole thing. Eventually the gorilla police break up the proceedings. Maximus
comments on their loyalty, Zaius on their stupidity.

Eventually Zaius has Cornelius and Zira brought to him. He hopes to convince
them not to publicly admit that their errors, just to keep quiet about what
they know about man. Cornelius and Zira refuse. Zaius then reveals that his
spies have learned of several large bands of humans in the Forbidden Zone.
Zaius ordered a raid, in hopes that Taylor will be killed in the process.

The next scene is a flashback of the raid. The gorilla beaters make a
tremendous noise as they raid the humans (only with clubs, no firearms).
Taylor is seen successfully ordering the men around and getting them to
behave in an orderly fasion. Taylor stops them and threatens them with a
rifle and even shoots one of the gorillas in the arm. Nova is seen carrying a
baby. The gorilla's retreat and tell their leader that "The-man-who-talks" is
there.

Cut back to Zaius' office. Zira and Cornelius are grateful that the raid was
unsuccessful, but Zaius asks how Zira is going to continue her medical
experiments if men cannot be captured. Zira just shrugs. Zaius then shows
them another report.

Cut to another flashback of Taylor, Nova, young Sirius (their son) and other
men around a fire. Nova and Sirius speak.

Cut back to Zaius's office again. As they finish reading the report Zaius
appeals to the chimps about the possible consequences of this disturbing
information. Cornelius and Zira are speechless. Zaius frees them both.

The next scene takes place ten years later....but we'll get to that
later......

Matt

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-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/18/01 11:42:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

Wow, Ken, your sister-in-law sounds cool.

I agree with Rory on that one.<.html

.html She's 40, lives at home, likes Xena, Patsy Kline and KD Lang.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

She IS very talented. And I'm very lucky.
If it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have met my wife.
Getting her to build my models is a bonus.
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

Wow, Ken, your sister-in-law sounds cool.

-- Rory

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>From: Haristas@...

>Subject: Re: [pota] female gorilla

>Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:31:48 EDT

>

>In a message dated 4/3/01 2:06:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>afryt4u@... writes:

>

>

> > A costume for the female gorilla was made, as was the gorilla boy (Felix

> > Silla). The female out fit is the same pattern as Zira's tunic, only there

> > is no leather on it ('cept for the glyph in the center of the breast, and

> > two claspes holding the front together). I have a frame grab somewhere that

> > a fan sent in that shows one of the females (chimp or gorilla?) turned

> > toward the camera with a dark or black face. It's hard to tell if it's a

> > chimp painted dark in the face or actually a gorilla sculpt. I'll hafta

> > ask John Chambers next time I visit him. Hopefully he'll remember. Brian

> >

>

>How's John Chambers feeling these days? Hope he's hanging in there. I have

>the tribute tape, OF COURSE! Wish him well from all of us.

>

>By the way... Has anyone here mentioned yet that Rick Baker got yet another

>Oscar, this time for "Grinch"? Well, I guess he'll get another one next

>year too.

>

>-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 4:18:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cosmicraye@... writes:

*Lynne*
                              (going back to her 1053 messages, no
kidding!!)

1053 e-mails!!!!   Lynne, you poor thing.   Well, here's one more.

--  Rory

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Hey, look at the message I just got from FOX!!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ausfoxmovies@... [ausfoxmovies@...]
Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2001 17:07
To: whitty@...
Subject: PLANET OF THE APES - WORLD EXCLUSIVE NEW TRAILER

Twentieth Century Fox is releasing it's latest trailer for PLANET OF THE
APES live on the global website this weekend.
DATE: Saturday, 21st April 2001
TIME: 12.30pm Australian Eastern Standard Time
LOG ON TO: http://www.planetoftheapes.com.au

Bookmark this page now, so you SEE IT FIRST!
PLANET OF THE APES Opens in cinemas across Australia on 9 August 2001
RULE THE PLANET!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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To UNSUBSCRIBE to Fox Movie Mail anytime, simply email us at
AusFoxMovies@... and write "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the subject line.

.htmlHere's some of Boulle's 'brilliant' dialogue in the scene four years later
between Zaius and Maximus.

                                          MAXIMUS
                     The situation has done nothing but
                     deteriorate over the last four years.
                     Ever since the appearance of that man
                     Taylor . . .

                                          ZAIUS
                     That monster with a human face and the
                     language of apes, who has caused grave
                     defection amongst weak spirits like Zira
                     and Cornelius.  Their arrest hasn't done
                     any good.  It's the nephew of Zira, that
                     imbecile Lucius, who now propogates
                     heresies and madness.

                                           MAXIMUS
                      Why don't you have him arrested too?

                                           ZAIUS
                       They would find another to take his place.

Uproar grows outside.  Zaius and Maximus look out of the window again.  A
group of mounted gorilla police are in the middle of charging the
demonstrators.

                                           MAXIMUS
                         Brave gorillas.  Happily they keep
                         a cool head.  They are completely
                         loyal.

                                           ZAIUS
                         Loyal and stupid.  Their truncheon
                         blows only end by provoking more
                         riots, which recommence within the
                         hour.

Yikes!!!  Calling the script doctor!!!

--  Rory<.html

Billy,

Are these original props with Don Post masks?

They look great!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: goapebilly@... [goapebilly@...]
Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2001 5:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] web site

i have included a link to my web site which has many poa movie props ,masks
,toys on it goapebilly <A HREF="http://www.billysbasement.com/">
http://www.billysbasement.com/</A>

Ken,

I'd love to see some pics of your finished kits. They sound great!

I went to a Frightvision Con the other weekend and they had a couple of nice
resin kits. Dr. Milo in astronaut outfit as a bust, and they also had an
awesome gorilla soldier astride a horse with his rifle held up over his
head. I think that one was supposed to look like the gorilla at the
beginning credits of the television series. He was holding his rifle just
like that. Cool as heck, and I'm kicking myself now for not having gotten
it!

> A while back there was some posts ( or it may have been on Terry Hoknes'
> site) about some really nicely detailed Resin kits of the Astro-apes and
> Caesar from "Conquest". Anyone got or seen these?
> Best,
> KEN
>
>

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If anyone out there has the sheet music to "escape from the pota"
, I would be forever indebted if I could get a scan or photocopy of
the sheet music......e-mail me @ BenderGuy@... .. Thanx &
Blessings!
Dan Schafer

That's funny,
I saw him with an electric guitar and long hair. He said . . .
Bang Your Heads!

.htmlHasbro has a few ape soldiers left that you can order 12 inch by calling
them. I have not seen this one before it has a rifle and  a brown face not  
black like face on gorrilla sargent . they sell for 24 dollars. they made a
gorilla from conquest in a red jumpsuit
i can not find , if anyone knows where I can locate one please let me know.
has any one seen the auroa models reissued ? I saw them at toys are us their
our four ape kits . i have the number to hasbro if anyone wants it.has anyone
wrote to fox on ape tv series  ?
                               bryan  at kay53531@...





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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:27 AM

Subject: RE: [pota] "Planet of the Men" and Pierre Boulle

Rory,

 

Are you making romantic advances at Jeff?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [mailto:Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2001 4:10
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] "Planet of the Men" and Pierre Boulle

In a message dated 4/15/01 1:29:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Rory!

What's the name of this book and who's the publisher? I've been compiling
research on Boulle for years for an article about him.                      
     - - - - Jeff

The book was expensive (like $40.00, and it's not very long, just 145 pages)  
and it's now out of print.  Send me your address again -- privately, of
course -- and I'll send you the book, if you'll send it back.

-- Rory



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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:27 AM

Subject: [pota] Sauseville's Book

So are you saying you like a very incomplete list of collectibles and lots of full page pics of bootleg t-shirts?

 

I thought it was lacking!

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mailto:mlccougar@...]
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2001 13:09
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Check out eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) -...

In a message dated 4/15/01 1:14:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Are you kidding?   That book made him that much money?  I find that hard to
believe.  I wouldn't have thought that many people would have been
interested
in reading it.

Tell me about it.As I said last time,I can't even read the damn thing without
getting pissed at how stupid some of his comparisons are.I really would be
surprised that it sold that many.Chris Sausville's book,now that one WAS
worth buying,Greene's wasn't.Can anyone out there provide sales figures for
Greene's book (and Sausville's too)?




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The soundtrack will be on Sony Classical, the same folks who put out
"Episode I". In fact "Apes" is folling "Star Wars" right down the line:
Hasbro, Topps, Dark Horse, Fox Video. , even though "Apes" was here first. I
wouldn't be surprised if there's a tie-in with Pepsi (though I prefer
oke). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "KC" <kc@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 6:40 AM
Subject: [pota] Soundtrack info/Opening Night


> Hello all, a few things that Im sure i can get the answers to here, and it
> could benefit those in the LA area! I need to know what record
label/company
> will be handling the "soundtrack". as we all know most movies have one
> nowadays, even the worst movies. If i can find out what record label is
> distributing the sndtrk, and working in the record buisness, i will be
able
> to get premiere tickets most likely, and alot of coool promo stuff. the
best
> scenerio would be for them to not only do a score soundtrack, but a
> soundtrack soundtrack, like with the goo goo dolls, fuel, papa roach,
> whatever and actually release a single, then I would be in for sure. if it
> is just a score soundtrack, there usually isnt that much promo behind it,
> but i can still get advance copies, posters, etc. let me know if anyone
gets
> wind of it. also, for my friends on here in So. Cal. i would certainly
hook
> you up first as much as i could. If this all falls through and there is
not
> a label attached to the movie, lets all meet for the premiere anyway??!!
are
> there any single women out there that watch, love and know about POTA as
> much as i do? especially in la! oh sorry, this is not POTA date line.
>
> kc@...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:15 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Digest Number 418
>
>
>
> There are 9 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Re: New pics
> From: MTotsky@...
> 2. Re: New Pics
> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
> 3. Re: Re: New Pics
> From: MTotsky@...
> 4. Re: New pics
> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <prophecysite@...>
> 5. Re: Re: New Pics
> From: mlccougar@...
> 6. Planet of the Apes Chronicles
> From: MTotsky@...
> 7. Re: Planet of the Apes Chronicles
> From: mlccougar@...
> 8. Is this legit?
> From: MTotsky@...
> 9. Re: Sauseville's Book
> From: Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...>
>
>
> ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________ > ____________

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] 100 Days

In a message dated 4/17/01 3:39:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JSe3689836@... writes:

Was just on Alex's site. The clock reads 100 days to go. As Flounder
said in Animal House, "Oh boy this is great!  Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock......  
John

This also means they've only got 100 days left to do the CGI effects, looping
and foley effects, final sound mix including the score, oh, and I forgot the
editing of the film itself, then the prints that need to be made.

Does it sound to you like they're going to be rushed?  It does to me.  If it
meant getting a better movie, I wouldn't care if they didn't open the movie
until Thanksgiving.

-- Rory



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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:09 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Cougar's "Joke".

In a message dated 4/17/01 5:59:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mdownes@... writes:

Yeah, and he finally made it too. Does that mean there's hope for the
rest of us? /Mez

Well, I'm going to have to escape from this e-group come the end of June -- I
don't want too much of the new film spoiled for me during the month of July.  
Actually, I go on vacation for the first two weeks of July, and I'll be
nowhere near a computer.

Hey Mez,

How's the weather there in England?  Warming up yet?  Nice and warm here in
Florida, but dry.  We need some of the rain you Brits get plenty of.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 4/19/01 4:22:24 PM, Kay53531@... writes:

<< they made a gorilla from conquest in a red jumpsuit i can not find , >>

This never came out. It was a prototype that was seen in pictures, but they
replaced it with the gorilla soldier with the "M" on his chest. I suppose you
could make one if you got an old GI Joe jumpsuit and dyed it the right color.
The one with the brown outfit was an online exclusive. I kind of like it.

Matt

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 4:08 PM

Subject: [pota] A book POTA fans should read.

Hey Gang,

I don't know why I haven't mentioned this book before, but I'm doing so now.

It's "The Studio" by John Gregory Dunne.  It was published in 1968 and here's
what's said about it at Amazon.com where it sells for only $11.20.

"In 1967, John Gregory Dunne asked for unlimited access to the inner workings
of Twenteith Century Fox.  Meraculously, he got it.  For one year Dunne went
everywhere there was to go and talked to everyone worth talking to within the
studio.  He tracked every step of the creation of pictures like "Dr.
Dolittle," "Planet of the Apes," and "The Boston Strangler."  The result is a
work of reportage that, thirty years later, may still be our most minutely
observed and therefore most uproariously funny portrait of the motion picture
business.

"Whether he is recounting a showdown between Fox's studio head and two suave
shark-like agents, watching a producer's girlfriend steal a silver plate from
a restaurant, or shielding his eyes against the glare of a Hollywood premiere
where the guests include a chimp in a white tie and tails, Dunne captures his
subject in all its showmanship, savvy, vulgarity, and hype.

"'Reads as racily as a novel...(Dunne) has a novelist's ear for speech and
eye for revealing detail...Anyone who has tiptoed along those corridors of
power is bound to say Dunne's impressionism rings true.'-- Los Angeles Times"

Here's an excerpt about "Planet of the Apes"....

"That afternoon, Richard Zanuck watched the previous day's rushes of 'Planet
of the Apes.'  The scene showed an ape doctor giving a blood transfusion.  
The recipient was Charlton Heston, the donor Linda Harrison, who played Nova,
the mute Earth Girl.  In angle after angle, the ape fastened the tube between
the arms of the two Earth people.

"'You don't give a transfusion that way,' Owen McLean said in the darkness of
the projection room.  'You take blood out of one arm first, then pump it into
the other arm.  You can't make blod flow from arm to arm like that.'

"'He's right, Dick,' Stan Hough said.

"Zanuck was unperturbed.  'What the hell,' he said.  'Maybe that's how an ape
does it.'"

I first read this book way back in the early Seventies.  I read it again a
couple years ago.  I highly recommend it to you all.   Check it out.

-- Rory

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Haven't you guys heard of used book stores? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] A book POTA fans should read.


> Thanks for the tip Rory, sounds good.
> I wish you'd told us yesterday as I placed an order w/ Amazon last night
> and probably would have added it to my order.
> I guess I'll wait until next time.
> Best,
> KEN
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Well, he is an "author". "Kwai" is more respected than "Apes" as a work of
literature. But that cover photo is awful! I hope it's just a mockup. And
who gets Boulle's royalties? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:29 AM
Subject: [pota] novel reprint


> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0345447980.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
>
> Funny how they still use the line:
> From the author of "The Bridge Over The River Kwai"
> You would think that by now, Boulle's name would be more synonymous w/
POTA?
> Best,
> KEN
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> >
> >
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This brings up a good point. After we Yanks see the movie we can't talk
about it because it'll still be spoilers for others. What do we
do? - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 5:03 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Cougar's "Joke".


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Well, I'm going to have to escape from this e-group come the end of
> > June -- I don't want too much of the new film spoiled for me during
> > the month of July.
> > Actually, I go on vacation for the first two weeks of July, and
> > I'll be nowhere near a computer.
>
> Yeah, yeah, rub it in. But look, you don't have to escape entirely.
> Just change your delivery options to 'view on web' and don't read the
> spoilers. Where's your willpower, man?!
>
> The only thing concerning me is when we're likely to see the movie
> released over here. After living in L.A. for 8 years I'm spoiled and
> can't stand the delays.
>
> > How's the weather there in England? Warming up yet? Nice and warm
> > here in Florida, but dry. We need some of the rain you Brits get
> > plenty of.
>
> So I hear from my Dad, who lives in FL too. (Seen any thirsty gators
> by you?) Still rainy and chilly here. Everyone's hoping we get
> something akin to FL weather soon so foot-and-mouth goes away. /Mez
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>

Gorillas sell. That's the first lesson in "Apes" 101. Hasbro, Mego , the
new movie, everybody puts out lots of gorillas.

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Medicoms Reviewed


> I'd like to know the rationale behind the variants and why so many
gorillas?
> Best,
> KEN
>
> Michael Whitty wrote:
>
> > Good review Matt.
> >
> > I am actually thinking of contacting someone at Medicom for some behind
the
> > scenes tales (why they decided certain characters and not others, if
there
> > will be more etc).
> >
> > Anyone have any other questions for the Medicom folk?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
> > Sent: Monday, 16 April 2001 14:32
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] Medicoms Reviewed
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > A friend of mine runs a toy review page and let me do a review of the
> > Medicom
> > POTA figures for him. If anyone feels like checking it out, here's the
link:
> >
> > http://www.atomgroup.org/REVIEW_INDEX.htm
> >
> > Feedback is welcome.
> >
> > Matt
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> >

> >
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I'd like a Richard Zanuck figure so the apes can punish
- - - - Jeff

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From: "Shelby Rhodes" <slave1@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Medicoms Reviewed


> I'd still wouldn't mind having (at least):
>
> 1. Deluxe figure with a gorilla on top of a horse.
> 2. Honorius
> 3. Brent
> 4. Beneath mutants
> 5. Virgil
> 6. Julius
> 7.Kulp
> 8. Burke
> 9. Virdon
> 10.Dodge
> 11. Landon
>
> And if you really want to break your wallet, how about Medicom doing their
> version of the classic 12" line?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil " <pjn1209@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:35 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Medicoms Reviewed
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Good review Matt.
> > >
> > > I am actually thinking of contacting someone at Medicom for some
> > behind the
> > > scenes tales (why they decided certain characters and not others,
> > if there
> > > will be more etc).
> > >
> > > Anyone have any other questions for the Medicom folk?
> >
> > Yes - please stop making figures, Medicom. I'm broke.
> >
> > And why two TV series apes? Could have had some mutants or a Brent
> > up in this, instead we get those guys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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Hey, anyone know where Brian is this week? I do! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <apemaster@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:23 AM
Subject: [pota] (unknown)


> pes merchandise line at the Las Vegas Halloween Costume and Party Show
(Ape-ril 20th-22nd), and the whole troupe is there to share their antics
with guests!
>
> We ape-pologize if we are unable to respond to your e-mails in a timely
manner, but promise to follow-up on every inquiry when we return to the
studio on Ape-ril 24th.
>
> Have a good week and take care!
>
> Brian Penikas
> Keeper of the Glue and Faith for Apemania.com
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Julius, yes! And Armando. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Medicoms Reviewed - List of Characters Not Represented.


> Shelby and Michael,
>
> Those are all great suggestions. How about the following:
>
> Young Cornelius from BATTLE
> Young Gorilla from PLANET
> Orangutan Slave from CONQUEST
> Dr. Galen from PLANET
> Galen from TV
> Lisa from CONQUEST and BATTLE
> Lawgiver from BATTLE
> Dr. Milo in regular outfit from ESCAPE
> Cornelius and Zira in human clothes from ESCAPE
> Orangutan Priest from PLANET
> Dr. Zaius from TV
> Dr. Zaius in riding outfit from BENEATH
> Soldier Apes with "V" and "I I" on armor from TV
>
> That's all I can think of off the top of my head (in addition to Shelby's
and
> Michael's suggestions). I must admit that my top requests would be Julius,
> Maximus and Honorius.
>
> Matt
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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 7:43 PM

Subject: [pota] NEW POTA TRAILER

Access Hollywood:

Tonight the new trailer will be shown.

 

April 19th be there or be square! :o)

 

I'll have it on the site of course, as I'm sure it will be on the Official Site as well on the 20th.

 

Best, and YEEEEE HAAAAA!!!

 

Alex

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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:27 AM

Subject: [pota] Sauseville's Book

So are you saying you like a very incomplete list of collectibles and lots of full page pics of bootleg t-shirts?

 

I thought it was lacking!

 

Michael

 

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Sent: Monday, 16 April 2001 13:09
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Subject: Re: [pota] Check out eBay-AOL item 1133057813 (Ends Apr-16-01 17:46:47 PDT) -...

In a message dated 4/15/01 1:14:21 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Are you kidding?   That book made him that much money?  I find that hard to
believe.  I wouldn't have thought that many people would have been
interested
in reading it.

Tell me about it.As I said last time,I can't even read the damn thing without
getting pissed at how stupid some of his comparisons are.I really would be
surprised that it sold that many.Chris Sausville's book,now that one WAS
worth buying,Greene's wasn't.Can anyone out there provide sales figures for
Greene's book (and Sausville's too)?

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Yeah,

Please don't discuss the climax before August 8 when they release it here!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@...]
Sent: Friday, 20 April 2001 7:03
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Cougar's "Joke".

This brings up a good point. After we Yanks see the movie we can't talk
about it because it'll still be spoilers for others. What do we
do? - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 5:03 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Cougar's "Joke".


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Well, I'm going to have to escape from this e-group come the end of
> > June -- I don't want too much of the new film spoiled for me during
> > the month of July.
> > Actually, I go on vacation for the first two weeks of July, and
> > I'll be nowhere near a computer.
>
> Yeah, yeah, rub it in. But look, you don't have to escape entirely.
> Just change your delivery options to 'view on web' and don't read the
> spoilers. Where's your willpower, man?!
>
> The only thing concerning me is when we're likely to see the movie
> released over here. After living in L.A. for 8 years I'm spoiled and
> can't stand the delays.
>
> > How's the weather there in England? Warming up yet? Nice and warm
> > here in Florida, but dry. We need some of the rain you Brits get
> > plenty of.
>
> So I hear from my Dad, who lives in FL too. (Seen any thirsty gators
> by you?) Still rainy and chilly here. Everyone's hoping we get
> something akin to FL weather soon so foot-and-mouth goes away. /Mez
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:44 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] More Planet of the Men ** Spoilers **

Here's some of Boulle's 'brilliant' dialogue in the scene four years later
between Zaius and Maximus.

                                          MAXIMUS
                     The situation has done nothing but
                     deteriorate over the last four years.
                     Ever since the appearance of that man
                     Taylor . . .

                                          ZAIUS
                     That monster with a human face and the
                     language of apes, who has caused grave
                     defection amongst weak spirits like Zira
                     and Cornelius.  Their arrest hasn't done
                     any good.  It's the nephew of Zira, that
                     imbecile Lucius, who now propogates
                     heresies and madness.

                                           MAXIMUS
                      Why don't you have him arrested too?

                                           ZAIUS
                       They would find another to take his place.

Uproar grows outside.  Zaius and Maximus look out of the window again.  A
group of mounted gorilla police are in the middle of charging the
demonstrators.

                                           MAXIMUS
                         Brave gorillas.  Happily they keep
                         a cool head.  They are completely
                         loyal.

                                           ZAIUS
                         Loyal and stupid.  Their truncheon
                         blows only end by provoking more
                         riots, which recommence within the
                         hour.

Yikes!!!  Calling the script doctor!!!

--  Rory

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From: Kay53531@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 12:45 PM

Subject: [pota] gorrilla soldier by hasbro

Hasbro has a few ape soldiers left that you can order 12 inch by calling
them. I have not seen this one before it has a rifle and  a brown face not  
black like face on gorrilla sargent . they sell for 24 dollars. they made a
gorilla from conquest in a red jumpsuit
i can not find , if anyone knows where I can locate one please let me know.
has any one seen the auroa models reissued ? I saw them at toys are us their
our four ape kits . i have the number to hasbro if anyone wants it.has anyone
wrote to fox on ape tv series  ?
                               bryan  at kay53531@...







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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:56 PM

Subject: [pota] All in the family

Best,

 

Alex

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:12 PM

Subject: [pota] What the hell?!!!!

What's Williejoe doing in town on a Thursday?

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.htmlWell, unlike last issue, which seemed it would never come, I got the May/June
issue of Cinescape today.  It's got Angelina Jolie on the cover looking like
she's just sucked a lemon.

Anyway, there's a Summer Movie Preview run down, so of course the new POTA is
mentioned.  In fact it's given an entire page -- in which absolutely nothing
of substance is said! -- but it does have a photo from the film that I
haven't seen before, and this cartoon of an orang like from the original film
in a bumper car against Jackie Chan in another car.   Oh yes, there's also a
picture of Thade across from the table of contents page, but you only see him
from behind, and he looks like he's in need of an enema or something.

But what I liked in this issue is, as usual, Mark A. Altman's The Last Word.  
In a piece titled "Who Let The Dogs Out?  This summer is full of buzzed-about
flicks.  But will they be any good?,"  the former editor of Sci-Fi Universe
writes about PLANET OF THE APES:

"You remade it, you maniacs!  With the original classic, Franklin Schaffner
brought a restrained sense of realism to a potentially outlandish premise.  
My fear with Tim Burton, whose style veers toward the outrageous, is that the
original's brooding fatalism will be lost in a kiddie-friendly concoction of
CGI and over-the-top production design.  But that won't stop throngs of
fanboys from seeing it time and time again."

He predicts it'll gross $180 million.

-- Rory

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.htmlOkay, well Alex says the new POTA trailer will be seen on Access Hollywood
tonight.  I guess I'm supposed to be excited.

It will be on here where I live in about twenty minutes.  I suppose I better
go throw a tape in the VCR.

I'm watching the evening news right now, so I'll be back.

-- Rory..... waiting.....waiting.....waiting

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.htmlOkay, Access Hollywood is supposed to start in a couple minutes.

Since Alex has to work tonight I guess I'll stand in for him.

OKAY!!!  IT JUST STARTED!!!!

I'm not seeing anything about POTA.....

They've just done the whole intro and I didn't see a thing about a new POTA
trailer.

On, maybe I better check Entertainment Tonight....

I'll be back....

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POTA!!!!!

OHHHHH AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I GOT TO START THE TAPE!!!!!!!

Best,

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.htmlAll they showed on Access Hollywood was that next week's Entertainment Weakly
(Yes, I meant Weakly) will have POTA on the cover and behind the scenes
photos inside!

No new trailer!!!  BLAHHHHHHH!!!!

But, wait.... The show's still got ten more minutes!!!  Maybe they'll still
show it!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:40 PM

Subject: [pota] Apes' bits in latest Cinescape. **Spoilers**

Well, unlike last issue, which seemed it would never come, I got the May/June
issue of Cinescape today.  It's got Angelina Jolie on the cover looking like
she's just sucked a lemon.

Anyway, there's a Summer Movie Preview run down, so of course the new POTA is
mentioned.  In fact it's given an entire page -- in which absolutely nothing
of substance is said! -- but it does have a photo from the film that I
haven't seen before, and this cartoon of an orang like from the original film
in a bumper car against Jackie Chan in another car.   Oh yes, there's also a
picture of Thade across from the table of contents page, but you only see him
from behind, and he looks like he's in need of an enema or something.

But what I liked in this issue is, as usual, Mark A. Altman's The Last Word.  
In a piece titled "Who Let The Dogs Out?  This summer is full of buzzed-about
flicks.  But will they be any good?,"  the former editor of Sci-Fi Universe
writes about PLANET OF THE APES:

"You remade it, you maniacs!  With the original classic, Franklin Schaffner
brought a restrained sense of realism to a potentially outlandish premise.  
My fear with Tim Burton, whose style veers toward the outrageous, is that the
original's brooding fatalism will be lost in a kiddie-friendly concoction of
CGI and over-the-top production design.  But that won't stop throngs of
fanboys from seeing it time and time again."

He predicts it'll gross $180 million.

-- Rory



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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:44 PM

Subject: [pota] New Trailer or No New Trailer.

Okay, well Alex says the new POTA trailer will be seen on Access Hollywood
tonight.  I guess I'm supposed to be excited.

It will be on here where I live in about twenty minutes.  I suppose I better
go throw a tape in the VCR.

I'm watching the evening news right now, so I'll be back.

-- Rory..... waiting.....waiting.....waiting



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.htmlDAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!!!

Alex was monkeying around with me!

There was no new trailer for POTA, just that thing about Entertainment Weekly!

And I skipped dinner for that?!!!!

I'm outta here!   WillieJeff, take over!

Best,

Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:29 PM

Subject: [pota] Access Hollywood has left the building.

DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!!!

Alex was monkeying around with me!

There was no new trailer for POTA, just that thing about Entertainment Weekly!

And I skipped dinner for that?!!!!

I'm outta here!   WillieJeff, take over!

Best,

Rory



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.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 3:22:42 PM Central Daylight Time, Kay53531@...
writes:

they made a
gorilla from conquest in a red jumpsuit
i can not find , if anyone knows where I can locate one please let me know

That was only a prototype as far as I know.I'm sure they replaced him with
the Gorilla Sgt. at the last minute.You always could sew a jumpsuit though if
you wanted a "CONQUEST" gorilla.

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williejoe@... writes:

 That trailer's going to be a joke, right Cougar? - - Jeff

Hey c'mon now.Don't tempt me.But seriously,I said I am going to cool it on my
remarks about the movie and I intend to stick to my word.Granted I never
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 7:53:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

Hey! I watched it last night and they said "new scenes". Maybe you missed
something when you were e-mailing! Please?                                  
    - - - - - Jeff

No new scenes, just old ones.  New pictures that will be in the E.W., but no
new scenes.

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.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 8:15:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

Hey c'mon now.Don't tempt me.But seriously,I said I am going to cool it on
my
remarks about the movie and I intend to stick to my word.Granted I never
"promised" to keep quiet on it,but I will for now.

WHAT?!!!!   No!   Mlccougar, I love the things you have to say about the new
movie.  You're so "Taylor" in your negativism.  Say whatever you want.  I'll
defend you, except if there's personal attacks.

-- Rory

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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:56 PM

Subject: [pota] All in the family

Best,

 

Alex

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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:56 PM

Subject: [pota] All in the family

Best,

 

Alex

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.htmlHi Everybody,

While I try to get over the terrible trick played on me by a certain person
who said there'd be a new POTA trailer on TV tonight, I thought I'd share
with you all parts of an interview I found with the late, great Franklin J.
Schaffner.

I haven't seen many interviews with him on the subject of PLANET.  The best
was probably the one in Cinefantastique, and that didn't say much.  Then one
day in a used bookstore I found a collection of old 'Films in Review'
magazines.   On the cover of one for Aug.-Sept. 1969, beneath a picture of
Catherine Deneuve, was written "A Colloquy with F. J. Schaffner."    I looked
inside.  What I found was an interview with Schaffner done by somebody named
Stanely Lloyd Kaufman Jr., a Yale undergraduate.  The interview was conducted
by phone and taped.  Here's some of the more interesting things Schaffner had
to say about PLANET in what I think is the best interview with him that I've
read.

Kaufman:  There were many long shots in PLANET.  Were they merely to give
hints of Earth?

Schaffner:  Well, in southern Utah and northern Arizonia there are areas and
plateaus where you see for 20 miles and 360 degrees.  Also, there won't be a
telephone pole, nor a person, nor a road -- nothing.  It's overwhelming, and
it absorbs you, and you can think of nothing but how the camera can get it on
film.  It seemed appropriate to me to set the astronauts up for horizon lines
on Panavision, and to represent them as very, very small in relation to the
planet on which they were.  First of all, they had lost their spaceship, they
were cut off from everything.  Second, these long shots impressed the locale
on the audience, not the personalities of the astronauts.  There was another
problem with this picture.  Its got this lousy title of 'Planet of the Apes,'
and from the very beginning audiences expect to see an ape.  But for thirty
minutes they don't.  Therefore, it is obligatory to keep those first thirty
minutes going while you set up the story.  That required a combination of
things, both in scripting and in directing.  We hoped that at the end of the
thirty minutes the audience would be surprised when the apes appeared.

Kaufman:  The crash-down opening sequence in PLANET seemed much more
terrifying than anything in other films of the genre, like 2001, for instance.

Schaffner:  Right.  A body of water was chosen for the space-ship to land in
because the craft had been programmed to land on a solid surface.  When the
space-ship went out of control the astronauts had a chance of survival if it
crashed into water.  Obviously, until we got into the lake we didn't want to
wake the astronauts up because we didn't want anybody to start reading tapes
or playing back tapes, to find an answer to why they were where they were,
and so forth.  The crash itself, of course, is very definately the bridge
between the men in the rocket going to sleep and waking up in the locale of
the ape society.  One thing the crashdown did do, it seemed to me, was to
provide a dramatic coming out of the titles.  The prologue for PLANET was
very quiet, and as we came out of the titles we had to get the story going.  
To get the aerial shots for the crash-down the cameraman was on top of a
World War I biplane.  We also had a B-25 with a camera in its nose.  But when
I ran their footage for the crash-down it simply didn't seem to work.  So I
said the hell with it, let's shoot the picture and then we'll come back to
this thing.  When we finished shooting and I sat down to cut the picture
there was one can of film I had never seen and by cutting wide-footage into
zoomed-lens stuff and mixing things up and reversing footage, literally
reversing footage, and even running some footage backwards, we put together a
sequence which seems to work pretty well for the crash.  But it was not
planned at all.  What was planned didn't get on the screen.  What is up there
on the screen is what was edited together out of desperation.

Kaufman:  PLANET has been criticized for being an inconsistent mixture of
social satire and sci-fi seriousness.

Schaffner:  There are a number of ways to approach a project of this kind.  
You can make it into the blackest comedy imaginable; you can do a straight,
realistic science-fiction piece; horror science-fiction; or straight
melodrama.  The situation was exotic enough for anything.  But our
over-riding intention was to make, for lack of a better word, a mass
entertainment film.  I'm not one who says anything entertaining isn't art.  I
think the most successful art has elements that entertain.  That is why
PLANET is not all-out satire, why it is not all-out "gallows' humor," why
humor, and melodrama, are mixed with the satire.

Kaufman:  Should I assume you're not really interested in the science-fiction
aspect of this film?

Schaffner:  Yes.  I always winced when somebody called it a science-fiction
piece.


To be continued....

-- Rory

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.htmlMe again....

I called the Fox consumer number yesterday and talked to a very nice lady who
took down my request that the POTA TV series be put on DVD, and that the film
series be remastered in anamorphic and include more extras.

She said she'd pass it on.  I don't know.  Hope it doesn't just get filed
under C.S. or something.

Anyway, the point is we need more of you to call or write.

The phone number is 1-888-223-2369.    The address:  Fox Consumer, P.O. Box
7849, Torrance, CA 90504

If you want your APES, I guess you're going to have to "fight like apes."  
So, call or write them everyone.

-- Rory

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From: Alexander Ruiz

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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:56 PM

Subject: [pota] All in the family

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:42 PM

Subject: [pota] The Lost Words of Franklin Schaffner.

Hi Everybody,

While I try to get over the terrible trick played on me by a certain person
who said there'd be a new POTA trailer on TV tonight, I thought I'd share
with you all parts of an interview I found with the late, great Franklin J.
Schaffner.

I haven't seen many interviews with him on the subject of PLANET.  The best
was probably the one in Cinefantastique, and that didn't say much.  Then one
day in a used bookstore I found a collection of old 'Films in Review'
magazines.   On the cover of one for Aug.-Sept. 1969, beneath a picture of
Catherine Deneuve, was written "A Colloquy with F. J. Schaffner."    I looked
inside.  What I found was an interview with Schaffner done by somebody named
Stanely Lloyd Kaufman Jr., a Yale undergraduate.  The interview was conducted
by phone and taped.  Here's some of the more interesting things Schaffner had
to say about PLANET in what I think is the best interview with him that I've
read.

Kaufman:  There were many long shots in PLANET.  Were they merely to give
hints of Earth?

Schaffner:  Well, in southern Utah and northern Arizonia there are areas and
plateaus where you see for 20 miles and 360 degrees.  Also, there won't be a
telephone pole, nor a person, nor a road -- nothing.  It's overwhelming, and
it absorbs you, and you can think of nothing but how the camera can get it on
film.  It seemed appropriate to me to set the astronauts up for horizon lines
on Panavision, and to represent them as very, very small in relation to the
planet on which they were.  First of all, they had lost their spaceship, they
were cut off from everything.  Second, these long shots impressed the locale
on the audience, not the personalities of the astronauts.  There was another
problem with this picture.  Its got this lousy title of 'Planet of the Apes,'
and from the very beginning audiences expect to see an ape.  But for thirty
minutes they don't.  Therefore, it is obligatory to keep those first thirty
minutes going while you set up the story.  That required a combination of
things, both in scripting and in directing.  We hoped that at the end of the
thirty minutes the audience would be surprised when the apes appeared.

Kaufman:  The crash-down opening sequence in PLANET seemed much more
terrifying than anything in other films of the genre, like 2001, for instance.

Schaffner:  Right.  A body of water was chosen for the space-ship to land in
because the craft had been programmed to land on a solid surface.  When the
space-ship went out of control the astronauts had a chance of survival if it
crashed into water.  Obviously, until we got into the lake we didn't want to
wake the astronauts up because we didn't want anybody to start reading tapes
or playing back tapes, to find an answer to why they were where they were,
and so forth.  The crash itself, of course, is very definately the bridge
between the men in the rocket going to sleep and waking up in the locale of
the ape society.  One thing the crashdown did do, it seemed to me, was to
provide a dramatic coming out of the titles.  The prologue for PLANET was
very quiet, and as we came out of the titles we had to get the story going.  
To get the aerial shots for the crash-down the cameraman was on top of a
World War I biplane.  We also had a B-25 with a camera in its nose.  But when
I ran their footage for the crash-down it simply didn't seem to work.  So I
said the hell with it, let's shoot the picture and then we'll come back to
this thing.  When we finished shooting and I sat down to cut the picture
there was one can of film I had never seen and by cutting wide-footage into
zoomed-lens stuff and mixing things up and reversing footage, literally
reversing footage, and even running some footage backwards, we put together a
sequence which seems to work pretty well for the crash.  But it was not
planned at all.  What was planned didn't get on the screen.  What is up there
on the screen is what was edited together out of desperation.

Kaufman:  PLANET has been criticized for being an inconsistent mixture of
social satire and sci-fi seriousness.

Schaffner:  There are a number of ways to approach a project of this kind.  
You can make it into the blackest comedy imaginable; you can do a straight,
realistic science-fiction piece; horror science-fiction; or straight
melodrama.  The situation was exotic enough for anything.  But our
over-riding intention was to make, for lack of a better word, a mass
entertainment film.  I'm not one who says anything entertaining isn't art.  I
think the most successful art has elements that entertain.  That is why
PLANET is not all-out satire, why it is not all-out "gallows' humor," why
humor, and melodrama, are mixed with the satire.

Kaufman:  Should I assume you're not really interested in the science-fiction
aspect of this film?

Schaffner:  Yes.  I always winced when somebody called it a science-fiction
piece.


To be continued....

-- Rory



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It would be very cool to sit and sift through all this stuff. The
snippets of info and correspondence would be very interesting, I think.
Best,
KEN

.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 7:50:06 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Hey c'mon now.Don't tempt me.But seriously,I said I am going to cool it
on
my
remarks about the movie and I intend to stick to my word.Granted I never
"promised" to keep quiet on it,but I will for now.

WHAT?!!!!   No!   Mlccougar, I love the things you have to say about the
new
movie.  You're so "Taylor" in your negativism.  Say whatever you want.  
I'll
defend you, except if there's personal attacks.

-- Rory

Rory,

Thanks for backing me.You are right,I can say whatever I want to on that
movie of their's.Why should I sell myself out just to make 3 members of the
group happy?Especially since the other one in this whole matter didn't even
say that yeah maybe he was overdoing it too.He has just kept on in his
undying devotion to the movie.Well since he isn't willing to try to cool it,I
won't either.Had he said in even one posting that maybe he was overdoing it
too,then I would have stuck with what I said.I was willing to compromise a
little bit,but no one else seems to.So if they aren't going to,I'm not
either.And I am not trying to drag you into this Rory,but you did as much
"commentary" on this "new movie" of their's as I did and no one ever got all
pissed off at you.Why they singled me out,I don't know.I guess they didn't
like what else I was saying and they used my "new movie" comments as the
reason to try to silence me.They seem to forget that at least I tried to get
some other topics going.I have added subjects of discussion to the group.So I
guess I am back from my temporary banishment to the Forbidden Zone.

And go ahead and say my word is no good,I don't care.Like I said,I never
promised that I would stay quiet on this.And now that I know at least one
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.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 9:40:56 PM Central Daylight Time, MLCCOUGAR writes:

That trailer's going to be a joke, right Cougar? - - Jeff

Damn straight.From reading Rory's postings I guess it was a joke played on
all of you.I can't say I feel bad for someone who was carrying on about how
great the "trailer" was going to be either.

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] NEW POTA TRAILER

In a message dated 4/19/01 7:50:06 PM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

Hey c'mon now.Don't tempt me.But seriously,I said I am going to cool it
on
my
remarks about the movie and I intend to stick to my word.Granted I never
"promised" to keep quiet on it,but I will for now.

WHAT?!!!!   No!   Mlccougar, I love the things you have to say about the
new
movie.  You're so "Taylor" in your negativism.  Say whatever you want.  
I'll
defend you, except if there's personal attacks.

-- Rory

Rory,

Thanks for backing me.You are right,I can say whatever I want to on that
movie of their's.Why should I sell myself out just to make 3 members of the
group happy?Especially since the other one in this whole matter didn't even
say that yeah maybe he was overdoing it too.He has just kept on in his
undying devotion to the movie.Well since he isn't willing to try to cool it,I
won't either.Had he said in even one posting that maybe he was overdoing it
too,then I would have stuck with what I said.I was willing to compromise a
little bit,but no one else seems to.So if they aren't going to,I'm not
either.And I am not trying to drag you into this Rory,but you did as much
"commentary" on this "new movie" of their's as I did and no one ever got all
pissed off at you.Why they singled me out,I don't know.I guess they didn't
like what else I was saying and they used my "new movie" comments as the
reason to try to silence me.They seem to forget that at least I tried to get
some other topics going.I have added subjects of discussion to the group.So I
guess I am back from my temporary banishment to the Forbidden Zone.

And go ahead and say my word is no good,I don't care.Like I said,I never
promised that I would stay quiet on this.And now that I know at least one
member of the High Council is willing to back me,I'll say whatever I want to.

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:46 PM

Subject: Fwd: [pota] NEW POTA TRAILER

In a message dated 4/19/01 9:40:56 PM Central Daylight Time, MLCCOUGAR writes:

That trailer's going to be a joke, right Cougar? - - Jeff

Damn straight.From reading Rory's postings I guess it was a joke played on
all of you.I can't say I feel bad for someone who was carrying on about how
great the "trailer" was going to be either.

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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:56 PM

Subject: [pota] All in the family

Best,

 

Alex

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Thanks for the number. I'll call tomorrow and ask for the TV series,
cartoons, and deleted scenes from all 5 films be put out on dvd with more
extras and a commentary track added in. I really love those dvds with
commentary on them. You can watch the entire film with the actors and
directors talking throughout the movie.

Loc

<<The phone number is 1-888-223-2369. The address: Fox Consumer, P.O. Box
7849, Torrance, CA 90504

It's a crazy business Rory. Just hang on! John

Wow Alex, That is VERY COOL!!!!! Thanks! Is this the new issue? When
does it come out? Thanks again for the heads up, John

.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 10:13:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

"this "new movie" of theirs"? Cougar, they're making it for YOU! And for
me, and for Rory. How ungrateful!

I can't agree,sorry.They are making it for the bottom line:$$$$$$$$.Not
because they really feel they have a story to tell or because they think they
can do something new and creative,but for money.Thats all they see in it.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/19/01 10:33:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
locutusatwolf359@... writes:

Thanks for the number. I'll call tomorrow and ask for the TV series,
cartoons, and deleted scenes from all 5 films be put out on dvd with more
extras and a commentary track added in.

Next time I write to them,I'll also ask for all of the things you just
mentioned.That really would be nice if they did put all of that stuff on dvd.

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] NEW POTA TRAILER

In a message dated 4/19/01 10:13:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

"this "new movie" of theirs"? Cougar, they're making it for YOU! And for
me, and for Rory. How ungrateful!

I can't agree,sorry.They are making it for the bottom line:$$$$$$$$.Not
because they really feel they have a story to tell or because they think they
can do something new and creative,but for money.Thats all they see in it.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Krueger

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:16 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] NEW POTA TRAILER

 Come on, man. I'm just kidding. I look at it this way, either extreme is a moot point right now. I wouldn't want to say it'll definitely be great because I might have to eat crow. I wouldn't want to say it'll definitely suck, either.  Even if I don't like the movie, if I can respect it (i.e. they actually create something and not just reap the rewards) I'll be fine with it.   - -  -  - Jeff

 

PS: Fox had alot of opportunities to make this earlier but they waited until this script. That says to me they aren't just making a money grab, though obviously that's a prime motivation.

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:47 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] NEW POTA TRAILER

In a message dated 4/19/01 10:13:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

"this "new movie" of theirs"? Cougar, they're making it for YOU! And for
me, and for Rory. How ungrateful!

I can't agree,sorry.They are making it for the bottom line:$$$$$$$$.Not
because they really feel they have a story to tell or because they think they
can do something new and creative,but for money.Thats all they see in it.

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Matt - - -

Where did you get your prices for your article? Is Soldier Ape B really
the that coveted? - - - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:31 PM
Subject: [pota] Medicoms Reviewed


> Hey,
>
> A friend of mine runs a toy review page and let me do a review of the
Medicom
> POTA figures for him. If anyone feels like checking it out, here's the
link:
>
> http://www.atomgroup.org/REVIEW_INDEX.htm
>
> Feedback is welcome.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Yeah,
>
> Please don't discuss the climax before August 8 when they release

it here!!!

Considering this group's track record for self control, I don't think
I'm out of line by saying you guys across the pond should really
unsubsribe before July 27. I would never try to ruin someone else's
viewing experience, but there's almost 100 people on this list.
Someone will mess it up for you. Bet you a dollar.

>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Krueger [williejoe@e...]
> Sent: Friday, 20 April 2001 7:03
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Cougar's "Joke".
>
> This brings up a good point. After we Yanks see the movie we

can't talk

> about it because it'll still be spoilers for others. What do we
> do? - - - - Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mez Downes" <mdownes@n...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 5:03 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Cougar's "Joke".
>
>
> > --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > > Well, I'm going to have to escape from this e-group come the

end of

> > > June -- I don't want too much of the new film spoiled for me

during

> > > the month of July.
> > > Actually, I go on vacation for the first two weeks of July, and
> > > I'll be nowhere near a computer.
> >
> > Yeah, yeah, rub it in. But look, you don't have to escape

entirely.

> > Just change your delivery options to 'view on web' and don't read

the

> > spoilers. Where's your willpower, man?!
> >
> > The only thing concerning me is when we're likely to see the movie
> > released over here. After living in L.A. for 8 years I'm spoiled

and

> > can't stand the delays.
> >
> > > How's the weather there in England? Warming up yet? Nice and

warm

> > > here in Florida, but dry. We need some of the rain you Brits

get

> > > plenty of.
> >
> > So I hear from my Dad, who lives in FL too. (Seen any thirsty

gators

> > by you?) Still rainy and chilly here. Everyone's hoping we get
> > something akin to FL weather soon so foot-and-mouth goes

away. /Mez

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Ever get the feeling pro wrestling has tainted the whole frigging
culture?

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/19/01 9:40:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
MLCCOUGAR writes:
>
>
> >
> > >>
> >
> >
> > Damn straight.From reading Rory's postings I guess it was a joke
played on
> > all of you.I can't say I feel bad for someone who was carrying on
about how
> >
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/01 7:13:13 PM Central Daylight Time,
MLCCOUGAR writes:
>
>
> >
>
> Damn straight.From reading Rory's postings I guess it was a joke
played on
> all of you.I can't say I feel bad for someone who was carrying on
about how
> great the "trailer" was going to be either.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:56 PM

Subject: [pota] All in the family

Best,

 

Alex

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:32 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: All in the family

Alex - - -

 

  Tell me. Is there a good reason Ari looks the way she does? On that cover she sticks out like sore thumb. I think she's the loner character in this Burton identifies with.    - - - - Jeff

 

Possible...never the less the magazine comes out next Monday.

Also for John who asked...can't wait to get my copy.

A whole new batch of behind the scenes for the web site.

 

YEEEE HAAAA!!

 

Best,

 

Alex

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