.htmlIn a message dated 9/22/01 1:16:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Kirk is sexier than Picard. I think most men would agree.

                                                                  - - -
Jeff

Kirk WAS sexier, but oddly both men are bald.  Shatner just won't give it up.   Of couse, Chuckels has and still has the same problem.  Shatner and Heston, along with Burt Reynolds, just must be REALLY funny-looking without their rugs.

Why am I talking about this?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/22/01 1:42:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

> *Cough* Yep, Mutant Bats is Classic Apes, all right.  Go figure.

Mutant bats is pretty close to something Moench & Ploog would have come up
with, so it's classic Apes in my opinion!

Any chance of someone listing the specifications for the PC game? I'd quite
like to know if I can play it or not!

Alan

You'd probably be healthier just playing with yourself, if you know what I mean.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/22/01 2:46:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> I never saw this "Veetus."   Do you think perhaps you can get some of your
> strips scanned and send them as attachments so we may read your comic
strip?

I've only got a few episodes of it but if I remember I'll scan them in and
send them later tonight.

Alan

Hey, that would be great, Alan.   You can do it just before you. . . you know?

-- Rory


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/22/01 2:47:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:
>   What the hell's "Legend of the POTA"? Never heard of that one.

"Legend of the Planet of the Apes (Or How Hollywood Turned Darwin Upside
Down)" by Brian Pendreigh. Published (in the UK at least) by Boxtree.

I've attached two scans of the press release (ignore the release date
obviously!).

I talked with Joe Russo about this book (He got a copy), and he says most of the info in it was got through interviews with Mort Abrahams.  As such I think it's worth getting, and I will as soon as I can.  Maybe Alan could send me a copy in exchange for that copy of "Planet of Men" I promised long ago?

-- Rory

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.html In a message dated 9/22/01 11:58:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, david@... writes:

Dear Friend and Future Millionaire,

Man, are there a lot of crooks out there that think we're all stupid!  Lousy human bastards!!!

-- Rory

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Did it say that originally Dick Zanuck threatened to throw them off the lot
if they mention POTA again? But it was his vision....??????

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2001 4:37
To: PotA
Subject: Re: [pota] Check out PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED

<< File: page1.gif >> << File: page2.gif >> Jeff <veetus@...>
wrote:

> What the hell's "Legend of the POTA"? Never heard of that one.

"Legend of the Planet of the Apes (Or How Hollywood Turned Darwin Upside
Down)" by Brian Pendreigh. Published (in the UK at least) by Boxtree.

I've attached two scans of the press release (ignore the release date
obviously!).

Was it published Jeff?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2001 4:38
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA in 2002

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> I never saw this "Veetus." Do you think perhaps you can get some of your
> strips scanned and send them as attachments so we may read your comic

strip?

I've only got a few episodes of it but if I remember I'll scan them in and
send them later tonight.

Alan

Sounds pretty good. But once again they presume the makeup test sold it
and that's not true. My local Borders doesn't have it or "Planet of the Apes
Chronicles" but they have plenty of copies of "An Unofficial Companion" and
"Revisited". More than they did when the movie was out (and more copies of
them than they do of the new movie books).They've obviously reordered.
Virgin has a display of the books still. And the DVD and VHS of the original
are in ample supply. (The DVD is like #13 in sales at my Tower video). No
hide nor hair of the video game yet.

- - - -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: "PotA" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Check out PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED


> Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:
> > What the hell's "Legend of the POTA"? Never heard of that one.
>
> "Legend of the Planet of the Apes (Or How Hollywood Turned Darwin Upside
> Down)" by Brian Pendreigh. Published (in the UK at least) by Boxtree.
>
> I've attached two scans of the press release (ignore the release date
> obviously!).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 2:29 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] hey hi!

In a message dated 9/22/01 11:58:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, david@... writes:

Dear Friend and Future Millionaire,

Man, are there a lot of crooks out there that think we're all stupid!  Lousy human bastards!!!

-- Rory

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I don't know about throwing them off the lot but Zanuck got just as tired
as everyone else hearing about "Apes" from Jacobs and Mort. The ONLY reason
it got made was Jacobs' clout (as told in POTA Revisited). It's not like
every time they walked into Zanuck's office he'd give them a hug and say,
"Someday we're gonna get this made, boys", as perhaps Zanuck would have us
believe. But he does deserve some credit that Fox was the studio that
eventually made it.

- - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:02 PM
Subject: [pota] Dick throwing them off the lot


> Did it say that originally Dick Zanuck threatened to throw them off the
lot
> if they mention POTA again? But it was his vision....??????
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2001 4:37
> To: PotA
> Subject: Re: [pota] Check out PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED
>
> << File: page1.gif >> << File: page2.gif >> Jeff <veetus@...>
> wrote:
> > What the hell's "Legend of the POTA"? Never heard of that one.
>
> "Legend of the Planet of the Apes (Or How Hollywood Turned Darwin Upside
> Down)" by Brian Pendreigh. Published (in the UK at least) by Boxtree.
>
> I've attached two scans of the press release (ignore the release date
> obviously!).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Veetus" was/will be a feature in "Ape Chronicles". There's also a drawing
of him in Luiz Adami's book "The Only Good Human Is A Dead Human", so I
guess he was published.

- -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 3:03 PM
Subject: [pota] Veetus


> Was it published Jeff?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2001 4:38
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA in 2002
>
> Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> > I never saw this "Veetus." Do you think perhaps you can get some of
your
> > strips scanned and send them as attachments so we may read your comic
> strip?
>
> I've only got a few episodes of it but if I remember I'll scan them in and
> send them later tonight.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Attachments :

These are the only four I've got - the last four episodes I assume. Jeff,
please don't sue me for unauthorised reproduction.

Alan

.htmlIn a message dated 9/22/01 6:13:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Sounds pretty good. But once again they presume the makeup test sold it
and that's not true. My local Borders doesn't have it or "Planet of the Apes
Chronicles" but they have plenty of copies of "An Unofficial Companion" and
"Revisited". More than they did when the movie was out (and more copies of
them than they do of the new movie books).They've obviously reordered.
Virgin has a display of the books still. And the DVD and VHS of the original
are in ample supply. (The DVD is like #13 in sales at my Tower video). No
hide nor hair of the video game yet.

                                                                    - - - -
- Jeff

Yeah, it must be remembered that the March 1966 make-up test was a success BUT Fox still had cold feet.  It was the boxoffice that "Fantastic Voyage" did in the fall of '66 that got the ball rolling on APES.

I gambled on APES today and won.  I was in a local Target store and saw they were selling the DVD of PLANET for $19.95.    Remember that both my DVD copies from last year had the chapter listing from BENEATH in the booklet with PLANET.   Well, I bought PLANET again and helloo! there's the chapter list for PLANET.  Also the lastest pressing of the picture and logo on the DVD looks better --  not as red and contrasty.   So, Fox got a little more of my money today.   I forgot all about looking for the video game.  Maybe tomorrow -- I still haven't seen a certain issue of Starlog.

-- Rory


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/22/01 6:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Rory! Why didn't you tell me that one day you are going to be a millionaire? BUDDY!

Okay, I'll tell you now. . . . I bought a lottery ticket today.  Stay tuned.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/22/01 6:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

These are the only four I've got - the last four episodes I assume. Jeff,
please don't sue me for unauthorised reproduction.

Alan

Thanks for sending those, Alan.      Okay, Krueger, you MUST tell me. . . .   WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING WHEN YOU DREW THOSE?   It must have been some GOOOOOD Shit!   What were the things with the penis noses supposed to be, and what does any of it have to do with POTA?

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Veetus

In a message dated 9/22/01 6:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

These are the only four I've got - the last four episodes I assume. Jeff,
please don't sue me for unauthorised reproduction.

Alan

Thanks for sending those, Alan.      Okay, Krueger, you MUST tell me. . . .   WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING WHEN YOU DREW THOSE?   It must have been some GOOOOOD Shit!   What were the things with the penis noses supposed to be, and what does any of it have to do with POTA?

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Veetus

   It has everything to do with POTA. The things with penis noses are mutants. The astronaut escapes from the underground city after he realizes he's being held by illusion. Veetus is an ape who wasn't in those. It's my reimagining.

 

 Here's what one person had to say:

 

   "The combination of "Planet of the Apes" and Jeff Krueger just spells magic to me".

 

                                                         - - - - - Richard D. Zanuck

 

 Alan, my lawyer wants to talk to you.

 

                                               - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Veetus

In a message dated 9/22/01 6:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

These are the only four I've got - the last four episodes I assume. Jeff,
please don't sue me for unauthorised reproduction.

Alan

Thanks for sending those, Alan.      Okay, Krueger, you MUST tell me. . . .   WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING WHEN YOU DREW THOSE?   It must have been some GOOOOOD Shit!   What were the things with the penis noses supposed to be, and what does any of it have to do with POTA?

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Book 'em, Urko!

In a message dated 9/22/01 6:13:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Sounds pretty good. But once again they presume the makeup test sold it
and that's not true. My local Borders doesn't have it or "Planet of the Apes
Chronicles" but they have plenty of copies of "An Unofficial Companion" and
"Revisited". More than they did when the movie was out (and more copies of
them than they do of the new movie books).They've obviously reordered.
Virgin has a display of the books still. And the DVD and VHS of the original
are in ample supply. (The DVD is like #13 in sales at my Tower video). No
hide nor hair of the video game yet.

                                                                    - - - -
- Jeff

Yeah, it must be remembered that the March 1966 make-up test was a success BUT Fox still had cold feet.  It was the boxoffice that "Fantastic Voyage" did in the fall of '66 that got the ball rolling on APES.

I gambled on APES today and won.  I was in a local Target store and saw they were selling the DVD of PLANET for $19.95.    Remember that both my DVD copies from last year had the chapter listing from BENEATH in the booklet with PLANET.   Well, I bought PLANET again and helloo! there's the chapter list for PLANET.  Also the lastest pressing of the picture and logo on the DVD looks better --  not as red and contrasty.   So, Fox got a little more of my money today.   I forgot all about looking for the video game.  Maybe tomorrow -- I still haven't seen a certain issue of Starlog.

-- Rory


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<< How many know that David Naughton did a cameo as a chimp in his brother's
TV show? >>

I didn't know that, but I do know that he's a Pepper!

.htmlIn a message dated 9/23/01 2:35:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Thanks for the news, Rory, but I'm not going to buy the "Apes" DVD again. The "Starlog" issue is history, they've moved on to their 35th anniversary of "Star Trek" issue, though there's still interviews with Burton and Wahlberg.

                                                                 - - - - Jeff

P.S.: I got the "American Werewolf in London" DVD. Good extras. Even mentions POTA on the box (as a credit for Rick Baker). How many know that David Naughton did a cameo as a chimp in his brother's TV show?



I watched some of the extras on "American Werewolf" last night.  I was especially touched when John Landis said in the 'making of' featurette that "no movie is worth anyone getting hurt over."   OH BOY!!!!!  He should have listened to himself better.

(I despise John Landis, BTW.   He's a shmuck!)

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:01 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Book 'em, Urko!

In a message dated 9/23/01 2:35:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Thanks for the news, Rory, but I'm not going to buy the "Apes" DVD again. The "Starlog" issue is history, they've moved on to their 35th anniversary of "Star Trek" issue, though there's still interviews with Burton and Wahlberg.

                                                                 - - - - Jeff

P.S.: I got the "American Werewolf in London" DVD. Good extras. Even mentions POTA on the box (as a credit for Rick Baker). How many know that David Naughton did a cameo as a chimp in his brother's TV show?

I watched some of the extras on "American Werewolf" last night.  I was especially touched when John Landis said in the 'making of' featurette that "no movie is worth anyone getting hurt over."   OH BOY!!!!!  He should have listened to himself better.

(I despise John Landis, BTW.   He's a shmuck!)

-- Rory


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/23/01 11:56:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

So that's why you don't like "Battle"! Because Aldo let Landis live.

                                                                      - - - Jeff



Yeah, that's it!   That's the ticket.   If only I could go back to the time of BATTLE and pull a "Hasslein" (aka "Shoot the baby chimp!") on Landis -- there'd probably still be one more washed-up actor in Hollywood, and two Korean kids grown-up and with families.

-- Rory

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On Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:57:24 EDT LordTZer0@... writes:

>And Albina would always be messing with you mind.

How exactly is that different from any other woman in the world today?
:-)


Chris L.
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>The reason "The Time Machine" got postponed is they have to reedit. It ends with stuff raining >down on New York. If the original POTA was going to come out now they'd have to postpone it too.

 

 

I'm guessing that a release of BENEATH wouldn't be too well received at this point either...

 

 

Chris L.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Book 'em, Urko!

In a message dated 9/23/01 11:56:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

So that's why you don't like "Battle"! Because Aldo let Landis live.

                                                                      - - - Jeff

Yeah, that's it!   That's the ticket.   If only I could go back to the time of BATTLE and pull a "Hasslein" (aka "Shoot the baby chimp!") on Landis -- there'd probably still be one more washed-up actor in Hollywood, and two Korean kids grown-up and with families.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Veetus

In a message dated 9/22/01 6:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

These are the only four I've got - the last four episodes I assume. Jeff,
please don't sue me for unauthorised reproduction.

Alan

Thanks for sending those, Alan.      Okay, Krueger, you MUST tell me. . . .   WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING WHEN YOU DREW THOSE?   It must have been some GOOOOOD Shit!   What were the things with the penis noses supposed to be, and what does any of it have to do with POTA?

-- Rory


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.html In a message dated 9/23/01 2:35:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Thanks for the news, Rory, but I'm not going to buy the "Apes" DVD again. The "Starlog" issue is history, they've moved on to their 35th anniversary of "Star Trek" issue, though there's still interviews with Burton and Wahlberg.

                                                                 - - - - Jeff

P.S.: I got the "American Werewolf in London" DVD. Good extras. Even mentions POTA on the box (as a credit for Rick Baker). How many know that David Naughton did a cameo as a chimp in his brother's TV show?



I watched some of the extras on "American Werewolf" last night.  I was especially touched when John Landis said in the 'making of' featurette that "no movie is worth anyone getting hurt over."   OH BOY!!!!!  He should have listened to himself better.

(I despise John Landis, BTW.   He's a shmuck!)

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 11:28 PM

Subject: [pota] Neck and neck and neck

  A trip to www.worldwideboxoffice.com shows 3 of this year's flicks in a heated competition. Both "Hannibal" and "Apes" have $332.6 million in the till worldwide and are breathing down the neck of "Jurrassic Park 3", which has $338.3 million. Is it impossible for "Apes" to overtake those redundant reptiles, since it still has openings through October? "Hannibal" is history. If "Apes" makes the dinosaurs "Park" it, it will be way up there on this year's list.

 

                                                                 - - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Veetus

   It has everything to do with POTA. The things with penis noses are mutants. The astronaut escapes from the underground city after he realizes he's being held by illusion. Veetus is an ape who wasn't in those. It's my reimagining.

 

 Here's what one person had to say:

 

   "The combination of "Planet of the Apes" and Jeff Krueger just spells magic to me".

 

                                                         - - - - - Richard D. Zanuck

 

 Alan, my lawyer wants to talk to you.

 

                                               - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:18 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Veetus

In a message dated 9/22/01 6:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:

These are the only four I've got - the last four episodes I assume. Jeff,
please don't sue me for unauthorised reproduction.

Alan

Thanks for sending those, Alan.      Okay, Krueger, you MUST tell me. . . .   WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING WHEN YOU DREW THOSE?   It must have been some GOOOOOD Shit!   What were the things with the penis noses supposed to be, and what does any of it have to do with POTA?

-- Rory


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The DVD of "Schlock" (made in 1971 by "schmuck") is out? It wasn't supposed to be out until October 2nd, but I guess you guys in Caliphoney get things first. Well, I will have to get this one. It's sort of a must. Gonna be hard listening to 'schmuck's' commentary.

I take it Michael Whitty doesn't know about the "Twilight Zone: the Movie" incident. Must I tell him?

-- Rory

Yeah, "Schlock" is out. There's a big push for "American Werewolf" but
they only had one copy of "Schlock" (it too mentions Baker's POTA on the
cover. The commentary is fun though not very informative, just Landis and
Baker bantering. It's a neat addition to a POTA collection, with a guy
wearing one of the famous pullover "Ape" masks in a scene, and Chambers is
funny as the Reserve captain (I didn't realize Baker plays one of his men).
The movie is actually funny in a corny way and the end reminds me of Baker's
"King Kong" from a few years later.

Just tell Michael to look up "Twilight Zone: the Movie" in a reference book.

- - -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Landis of the Lost


> The DVD of "Schlock" (made in 1971 by "schmuck") is out? It wasn't
supposed to be out until October 2nd, but I guess you guys in Caliphoney get
things first. Well, I will have to get this one. It's sort of a must.
Gonna be hard listening to 'schmuck's' commentary.
>
> I take it Michael Whitty doesn't know about the "Twilight Zone: the Movie"
incident. Must I tell him?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlOh yeah, that reminds me. . . what do I find on TWO magazine stands today?  The latest issue of Starlog.   I swear the issue with the Natalie Trundy interview was simply never released around here.  They skipped a month on me, and I looked and looked.  It's a conspiracy I tell you.  Somebody didn't want me to see that issue.  Oh well, someone in this group offered to send me a copy, but I'll settle for just a photo-copy of the article.  That person knows who he is.  Hopefully he'll help me out here.

-- Rory<.html

.html Wow!  Leave you guys (and gals) alone for a weekend and you talk up a friggin' storm!!!  I'm wearing out my delete keys!

As far as Planet of the Apes 2001 stuff, our license only covers the classic Apes right now.  I'll be talking with Fox again before the end of the month to see if we can add some of the new when we renew our contracts.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Brian
 
 

LordTZer0@... wrote:

<< Start saving your money for the
 "Apemania"  >>

Hey Brian, any plans to offer the new Ape-pliances?

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.html Going outta bizness sale?  Who let the dogs out!!??
What'z Jeff know that the rest of us don't?

Brian

PS:  Yeah it's pretty weird how "Jeepers Creepers" and  "POTA 2001" will forever be linked, I still can't believe we pushed Apes out of the top ten on opening weekend.  I hang my head in shame...

veetus@... wrote:

  Check out the new issue of "Fangoria" for a cover story interview of
"Jeeper's Creepers"' Brian Penikas. You know, that joker who runs
"Apemania"? Gee, last issue had a cover story interview with Rick Baker,
fast company to be sure.Like I said, start saving your money for the
"Apemania" going out of business sale. Brian also has an interview in the
Sept. issue of the U.K.'s "Total Film" mag, about his ape pursuits. The guy
gets around.
 

                                                  - - - - - Jeff

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Yeah, tell him. He is a great guy.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 24 September 2001 9:08
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Landis of the Lost

The DVD of "Schlock" (made in 1971 by "schmuck") is out? It wasn't supposed
to be out until October 2nd, but I guess you guys in Caliphoney get things
first. Well, I will have to get this one. It's sort of a must. Gonna be
hard listening to 'schmuck's' commentary.

I take it Michael Whitty doesn't know about the "Twilight Zone: the Movie"
incident. Must I tell him?

-- Rory

Hi,
Im new to this club,Ive always like Planet of the Apes films and
other films about gorillas.
I was wondering what you all thought about the controversy a few
years ago that the late John Chambers either built the alleged
Bigfoot suit for the famous 1967 Patterson footage or if he was some
how involved?
Personally I dont believe he was involved(knowingly anyway)Maybe one
of his associates used one of his old suits though without him
knowing though.

In a message dated 9/23/01 11:25:36 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< Oh well, someone in this group offered to send me a
copy, but I'll settle for just a photo-copy of the article. That person
knows who he is. Hopefully he'll help me out here. >>

Well Rory, I never got around to picking up the Trundy issue for myself.
Hopefully someone else can help you out here.

Matt (aka "That Guy")

.html apemonsterman@... wrote:

Hi,
 Im new to this club,Ive always like Planet of the Apes films and
other films about gorillas.
 I was wondering what you all thought about the controversy a few
years ago that the late John Chambers either built the alleged
Bigfoot suit for the famous 1967 Patterson footage or if he was some
how involved?
Personally I dont believe he was involved(knowingly anyway)Maybe one
of his associates used one of his old suits though without him
knowing though.

Hi Apemonsterman,

Funny thing, I just answered some questions about this issue last night to a fello making a tv documentary in the UK.

Here's the gist of the e-mail:
 
 

Dev Varma wrote:

   Dear Brian Penikas

   My name is Dev Varma and I'm a Producer with Pioneer Productions, an
   independent film company based in the UK.  We have been commissioned by the
   Discovery Channel to make a 1-hour documentary about the Sasquatch/Bigfoot.
   We are a company with a long, award-winning record of scientific films.  I
   intend this documentary to be similarly rigorous and not 'fanciful'.

BP:  Very good.  Ever since I was a child, I have always been fascinated by Bigfoot, Nessie, and the Yeti.  They still fascinate me today.
We've made bigfoot suits and footprints for shows before.  I think there is a Taco Bell commercial running now.  They are always fun.
Any help I can be to your project, please let me know.

   The reason I am writing to you is because I want to find out more about the
   film shot by Roger Patterson in 1967.  I know that some people regard it as
   a clever hoax by the designer of the original Planet of the Apes movie.
   However I also read that you filmed John Chambers specifically denying this
   charge.

BP:  True.  After the APEMANIA troupe performed at John's 75th birthday party, we went back to visit him
a few weeks later to meet and chat with him out of costume.  Writer Scott Essman video taped the entire visit and John talked
about his CIA days as well as the Patterson Bigfoot suit.

He did state that he could, with all composure, honestly admit that he had nothing to do with the Patterson suit, and if he and his
crew had had a hand in it, they would have made it look more believable.  Then he laughed, leaving us all to wonder.

He did admit to making the Hollywood Bigfoot "BODY" for a traveling carnival "oddities" show.  He explained how he and his
crew made a plaster casting of actor Richard "Jaws" Keil and just modified it into a dead body of a Bigfoot.  It was so heavy, it
took a crane to load the thing onto a flatbed truck to deliver to the clients.

Much of the Patterson / Chambers connection can be attributed to that dead carnival Bigfoot body, as I believe it was made during
that whole late sixties Bigfoot craze.

 
   I don't know if John Chambers is still alive and , if so, whether you can
   help me to contact him.

Unfortunately, John recently passed away on Saturday, August  25th, 2001 at age 79.
I was honored to speak at his memorial service, albeit as tongue-tied as I was.
He was a great man and an incredible inspration to many of us.

   Generally, do you know of any designer (of course
   it may be you!) who can talk about the difficulty (or otherwise) of creating
   a 'Bigfoot costume' in 1967.

Sure, I could tell you that it was very possible to make such a suit back in that day and time.  We'd already seen many man-ape
suits in 2001 A Space Oddessy, eventhough those were hair suits over regular human forms.  The same type of hair suit could be
made to fit over a "muscle-suit" like some of the great old Hollywood Gorilla costumes from Tarzan and Three Stooges type
films.  The techniques had been in place for decades prior to the Patterson film.  Rick Baker perfected the technique with films
like Greystoke, Gorillas in the Mist, and Harry and the Hendersons (I think it was released as "Bigfoot and the Hendersons" in the UK).

Remember too, that Patterson didn't just "happen" to find Bigfoot while out on a fishing trip, he intentionally set out to find
Sasquatch, the only person ever to actually find one when he was hunting for it.  It's so much easier to find something when you
bring it with you.

I have always been a believer in the Bigfoot, Nessies, and Yetis of our world.  There is a great romanticism surrounding these
legends.  As a kid, I lost many a nights sleep at my dad's friend's ranch on the edge of Bigfoot country.  Footprints had been found
less than three miles outside of town and the local eatery was even called the BIGFOOT BARB-B-QUE PIT, proudly displaying a
casting from one of the footprints.

I slept on a couch beneath a huge curtainless picture window at this ranch. Everytime a toad, rabbit, or bobcat walked by that
window crunching twigs under its feet, I expected to see old BF himself staring in at me.  There also was a small place upstream
from the ranch that was a sort of wild animal farm.  Every now and then after a strong rain, the lions would sometimes get out of
their pens when the fences gave way and they would wander downsteam  grunting and groaning.  That didn't help my overactive
imagination and sleepless night any!!!
I could never pray for the sun to come up fast enough on those trips!!!

Anyway, hopefully someday someone will solve the Bigfoot mystery.  Until then, I'll steer clear of first floor picture windows up
north.

Best of luck with the show!

Brian Penikas
Creative Director for Make-up & Monsters Studios
 

 

 

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/24/01 9:10:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

<< Oh well, someone in this group offered to send me a
copy, but I'll settle for just a photo-copy of the article.  That person
knows who he is.  Hopefully he'll help me out here. >>

Well Rory, I never got around to picking up the Trundy issue for myself.
Hopefully someone else can help you out here.

Matt (aka "That Guy")

Thanks anyway, Matt.  Looks like Veetus has rode to the rescue, hopefully.

-- Rory (aka Rory)<.html

In a message dated 9/24/01 3:32:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
apemonsterman@... writes:

<< Hi,
Im new to this club,Ive always like Planet of the Apes films and
other films about gorillas.
I was wondering what you all thought about the controversy a few
years ago that the late John Chambers either built the alleged
Bigfoot suit for the famous 1967 Patterson footage or if he was some
how involved?
Personally I dont believe he was involved(knowingly anyway)Maybe one
of his associates used one of his old suits though without him
knowing though. >>

Welcome to the group, ApeMonsterMan. Do you mind telling us your real name,
because I really don't want to say 'ApeMonsterMan' each time I refer to you.

Funny, I've never heard 'John Chambers' and 'Bigfoot' spoken together. It's
all interesting and everything, but I've always thought Bigfoot was a fake.
Now the Yeti is another story...

-Joe

Ken

Who was the Aussie who lives in America? The guy who wanted to know what we
had for sale?

Michael

It was a controversial article published a few years back.
check out
http://www.strangemag.com/chambers17.html"

>
> Funny, I've never heard 'John Chambers' and 'Bigfoot' spoken

together. It's

> all interesting and everything, but I've always thought Bigfoot was

a fake.

> Now the Yeti is another story...
>
> -Joe

.html I think it's Michael Helen you are looking for.

Brian

Michael Whitty wrote:

Ken

Who was the Aussie who lives in America?  The guy who wanted to know what we
had for sale?

Michael

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.htmlMichael,

Back during the making of "Twilight Zone: the Movie" (I think in 1983), John Landis directed a segment with Vic Morrow, the father of actress Jennifer Jason Leigh.  It took place in Vietnam and involved Morrow trying to carry these two little Vietnamese kids across a shallow river while their village was being bombed by American helicopters.  Landis kept directing the helicopter to come in lower.  He wanted a really spectacular shot.  The shooting took place at night and the two Korean kids were working illegally.  Landis didn't care: he didn't want Morrow carrying dummy kids, he wanted real kids.  Anyway, he also wanted the explosions to be bigger, and what happened was the blades of the helicopter melted from the heat of the explosions.  The copter came down and took off the heads of Morrow and the two kids.  It was an accident, BUT Landis, being the director, WAS responsible.   But what outrages me was right away he tried to weasel out of it, taking no blame and ever worse getting all his 'friends' in the industry to defend him.  It seems no one in Hollywood really wants to be too responsible for accidents on the set.  Landis went to trial -- with a snotty, shit-eating grin on his face everyday.  He was acquitted -- some say because the jury was so wowed by the celebrities that came to defend him, and also because he had some very high-priced lawyers.

Landis should have been a MAN and taken responsiblity for what happened and the consequenses.  But the egos of those who are successful in Hollywood won't allow that.  They're special and don't go to prison.  Landis put on quite a performance on the stand, crying like a pussy.   The man is nothing but an overaged adolescent jerk.  It was also reported that on the night of the filming Landis was high on coke.  Also Landis, in keeping with his wonderful character, said at the time that his prosecution was partially motivated by antiSemitism.   WHAT A GUY!

The incident did pretty much wreck Landis' career as a director, but what's that?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:49 PM

Subject: [pota] Landis and the "Twilight Zone."

Michael,

Back during the making of "Twilight Zone: the Movie" (I think in 1983), John Landis directed a segment with Vic Morrow, the father of actress Jennifer Jason Leigh.  It took place in Vietnam and involved Morrow trying to carry these two little Vietnamese kids across a shallow river while their village was being bombed by American helicopters.  Landis kept directing the helicopter to come in lower.  He wanted a really spectacular shot.  The shooting took place at night and the two Korean kids were working illegally.  Landis didn't care: he didn't want Morrow carrying dummy kids, he wanted real kids.  Anyway, he also wanted the explosions to be bigger, and what happened was the blades of the helicopter melted from the heat of the explosions.  The copter came down and took off the heads of Morrow and the two kids.  It was an accident, BUT Landis, being the director, WAS responsible.   But what outrages me was right away he tried to weasel out of it, taking no blame and ever worse getting all his 'friends' in the industry to defend him.  It seems no one in Hollywood really wants to be too responsible for accidents on the set.  Landis went to trial -- with a snotty, shit-eating grin on his face everyday.  He was acquitted -- some say because the jury was so wowed by the celebrities that came to defend him, and also because he had some very high-priced lawyers.

Landis should have been a MAN and taken responsiblity for what happened and the consequenses.  But the egos of those who are successful in Hollywood won't allow that.  They're special and don't go to prison.  Landis put on quite a performance on the stand, crying like a pussy.   The man is nothing but an overaged adolescent jerk.  It was also reported that on the night of the filming Landis was high on coke.  Also Landis, in keeping with his wonderful character, said at the time that his prosecution was partially motivated by antiSemitism.   WHAT A GUY!

The incident did pretty much wreck Landis' career as a director, but what's that?

-- Rory

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Probably Michael Hellen. Has the biggest collection of paper "Apes" items
I know of.

- -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:17 PM
Subject: [pota] That guy - you know?


> Ken
>
> Who was the Aussie who lives in America? The guy who wanted to know what
we
> had for sale?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 9/24/01 9:15:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 It didn't wreck his career, he made some of his biggest hits during the trial: I think "Trading Places", "Coming to America". That would seem to be an odd time to be a workaholic but perhaps he figured he better work now in case he went to jail. There's a good book on the subject, "Outrageous Conduct".

                                                                        - - - Jeff



Yeah, but what has he done since those movies?  He's pretty much just a producer today.   And, yes, "Outrageous Conduct" is a good book.

I just read at thedigitalbits.com that Landis will be at Dave's Video this Friday for a charity signing of the "American Werewolf" DVDs.  I wouldn't be caught dead in the same room with him.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Printikas

Wow!  Leave you guys (and gals) alone for a weekend and you talk up a friggin' storm!!!  I'm wearing out my delete keys!

As far as Planet of the Apes 2001 stuff, our license only covers the classic Apes right now.  I'll be talking with Fox again before the end of the month to see if we can add some of the new when we renew our contracts.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Brian
 
 

LordTZer0@... wrote:

<< Start saving your money for the
 "Apemania"  >>

Hey Brian, any plans to offer the new Ape-pliances?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:20 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Landis and the "Twilight Zone."

In a message dated 9/24/01 9:15:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 It didn't wreck his career, he made some of his biggest hits during the trial: I think "Trading Places", "Coming to America". That would seem to be an odd time to be a workaholic but perhaps he figured he better work now in case he went to jail. There's a good book on the subject, "Outrageous Conduct".

                                                                        - - - Jeff

Yeah, but what has he done since those movies?  He's pretty much just a producer today.   And, yes, "Outrageous Conduct" is a good book.

I just read at thedigitalbits.com that Landis will be at Dave's Video this Friday for a charity signing of the "American Werewolf" DVDs.  I wouldn't be caught dead in the same room with him.

-- Rory

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veetus@... wrote:

   His career's in the toilet 'cause his movies suck. He directed "Blues Brothers 2000" and "The Stupids". Supposedly he was going to produce "Planet of the Apes" for Adam Rifkin in the early '90's. You know anything about that Brian?                                                                         - - - Jeff

Yup.  Did designs for it when I was doing time at Alterian Studios.  Much better script and certainly a better story than what we got in 2001.  But it was so long ago that i do not recall Landis' involvement.

Bri

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.html Well, thanx for the vote of confidence, but I don't think Ape fans should worry about Apemania fading away anytime soon.  We are fans too and we enjoy everything "ape" that we do.  So if Make-up & Monsters Studios is destined to grow to a Baker stature, that just means Apemania with grow too.

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Hey Brian - - -  What's this about sore delete fingers? I remember there was some guy in the group who went to Vegas and...No! I won't say it.  By "going out of business" I meant the next Rick Baker might not have time for "Apemania".                                                                         - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Printikas

 Wow!  Leave you guys (and gals) alone for a weekend and you talk up a friggin' storm!!!  I'm wearing out my delete keys!

As far as Planet of the Apes 2001 stuff, our license only covers the classic Apes right now.  I'll be talking with Fox again before the end of the month to see if we can add some of the new when we renew our contracts.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Brian
 
 

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/24/01 9:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apeman@... writes:

 His career's in the toilet 'cause his movies suck. He directed "Blues Brothers 2000" and "The Stupids". Supposedly he was going to produce "Planet of the Apes" for Adam Rifkin in the early '90's. You know anything about that Brian?

                                                                        - - - Jeff Yup.  Did designs for it when I was doing time at Alterian Studios.  Much better script and certainly a better story than what we got in 2001.  But it was so long ago that i do not recall Landis' involvement. Bri




Yeah, I've never read of Landis being involved with any of the APES revivals.  If he had been I'd have gone ape-shit!   

One of the reasons I'm so hostle towards him is that I really liked some of his early stuff.  Now I have to look at it with very mixed emotions.  Oh well, that's Hollywood!

-- Rory

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.htmlTo anyone who doesn't mind spending $15, or can rent it, I highly recommend the DVD of "Planet of the Vampires."  I bought it yesterday, and just looked at it tonight.  This is a low-budget Italian Sci-Fi/horror film from 1965.  The print is beautiful.   The film isn't great, but it's also not bad.  It has the look of "Barbarella," but is a serious film.   Anyway, the title is cool, and the movie is interesting to watch.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 8:34 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Landis and the "Twilight Zone."

In a message dated 9/24/01 9:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apeman@... writes:

 His career's in the toilet 'cause his movies suck. He directed "Blues Brothers 2000" and "The Stupids". Supposedly he was going to produce "Planet of the Apes" for Adam Rifkin in the early '90's. You know anything about that Brian?

                                                                        - - - Jeff Yup.  Did designs for it when I was doing time at Alterian Studios.  Much better script and certainly a better story than what we got in 2001.  But it was so long ago that i do not recall Landis' involvement. Bri

Yeah, I've never read of Landis being involved with any of the APES revivals.  If he had been I'd have gone ape-shit!   

One of the reasons I'm so hostle towards him is that I really liked some of his early stuff.  Now I have to look at it with very mixed emotions.  Oh well, that's Hollywood!

-- Rory

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Anyone have a vid cap of the circa 1970 Television special about
Bigfoot by David Wolper productions,where John Chambers did the
makeup on Richard Kiel portraying the Sasquatch??
I saw an old rerun on A&E a couple years back.
It sure would be interesting to see a test makeup photowhich Im sure
was done.
Also anyone seen any photos of the exhibit made for the Carnival of
it?

Do you or Brian have his email address in the US? He used his father's
while he was in Australia.

I am giving thought to selling up - putting aside childish things.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2001 11:18
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] That guy - you know?

Probably Michael Hellen. Has the biggest collection of paper "Apes" items
I know of.

- -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 2:17 PM
Subject: [pota] That guy - you know?


> Ken
>
> Who was the Aussie who lives in America? The guy who wanted to know what
we
> had for sale?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 9/25/01 1:44:42 AM Central Daylight Time,
kentonc2001@... writes:

<< Bigfoot by David Wolper productions,where John Chambers did the
makeup on Richard Kiel portraying the Sasquatch?? >>

No, can't remember that at all.
But I do remember Eegah! ... fondly,
with the exception of putty faced Arch Hall Jr. of course.

.htmlIn a message dated 9/25/01 2:44:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kentonc2001@... writes:

Anyone have a vid cap of the circa 1970 Television special about
Bigfoot by David Wolper productions,where John Chambers did the
makeup on Richard Kiel portraying the Sasquatch??
I saw an old rerun on A&E a couple years back.
It sure would be interesting to see a test makeup photowhich Im sure
was done.
Also anyone seen any photos of the exhibit made for the Carnival of
it?

I seem to vaguely remember that either the "Six Million Dollar Man" or "The Incredible Hulk" had episodes back in the seventies where they fought 'Bigfoot.'    Either Richard Kiel or Ted "Lurch" Cassidy played Bigfoot, wearing gorilla appliances from APES.   I may be confused on this.  I'll have to look into it.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 9/25/01 4:36:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I am giving thought to selling up - putting aside childish things.

Michael

What you got?!!!!

-- Rory

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.html Hey Gang,

Tom Burman (Chambers assistant) did that bigfoot show from the 70's, which scared the poop out of me as a kid, but I had to watch it anyway.

The Six Million Dollar Man Bigfoot was played by Andre the Giant with nothing more than a hairsuit and some goofy teeth.

Brian

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/25/01 2:44:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kentonc2001@... writes:
 
 

Anyone have a vid cap of the circa 1970 Television special about
Bigfoot by David Wolper productions,where John Chambers did the
makeup on Richard Kiel portraying the Sasquatch??
I saw an old rerun on A&E a couple years back.
It sure would be interesting to see a test makeup photowhich Im sure
was done.
Also anyone seen any photos of the exhibit made for the Carnival of
it?
 
 

I seem to vaguely remember that either the "Six Million Dollar Man" or "The Incredible Hulk" had episodes back in the seventies where they fought 'Bigfoot.'    Either Richard Kiel or Ted "Lurch" Cassidy played Bigfoot, wearing gorilla appliances from APES.   I may be confused on this.  I'll have to look into it.

-- Rory

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.html Ugh!  Let's set the record straight, gang.

Just to expunge this vicious rumor once and for all, APEMANIA is not having a "going out of business sale".  Things are grand.

Jeff's unsuccessful attempt at humor, albeit well intended, has spooked quite a few ape fans who are flooding us with e-mails asking if the rumor is true.  It ain't folks.

Jeff was just joking about the success of Jeepers Creepers and international interviews we've been getting of late making the
lab too busy to pursue Apemania merchandise and manufacturing.  This is not the case.  If the lab gets busier with feature film work, it just gives us more people to make more apes in their down-time.  We have no plans to abandon Apemania (our true love) and as we speak E Entertainment television and other media sources are talking to us about more tv spots.

So stay calm when Jeff speaks, and like many of you have, go to the source when when the rumors start flying.

All is well and we are looking to have a fun Halloween season, and hope you all will too.

And if Jeff falls for the ol' burning bag of dog poop on the doorstep gag this Halloween, I had nothing to do with it!

Brian
 

Brian wrote:

Well, thanx for the vote of confidence, but I don't think Ape fans should worry about Apemania fading away anytime soon.  We are fans too and we enjoy everything "ape" that we do.  So if Make-up & Monsters Studios is destined to grow to a Baker stature, that just means Apemania with grow too.

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Hey Brian - - -  What's this about sore delete fingers? I remember there was some guy in the group who went to Vegas and...No! I won't say it.  By "going out of business" I meant the next Rick Baker might not have time for "Apemania".                                                                         - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From:Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Printikas

 Wow!  Leave you guys (and gals) alone for a weekend and you talk up a friggin' storm!!!  I'm wearing out my delete keys!

As far as Planet of the Apes 2001 stuff, our license only covers the classic Apes right now.  I'll be talking with Fox again before the end of the month to see if we can add some of the new when we renew our contracts.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Brian
 

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.html Funny thing all this Bigfoot talk these past few days.

I've got the history channel on RIGHT NOW and they are running and old In Search Of  episode on the "Monster Hunters".  Bigfoot, Yeti, and Nessie fans enjoy!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] That guy - you know?

In a message dated 9/25/01 4:36:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I am giving thought to selling up - putting aside childish things.

Michael

What you got?!!!!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:34 AM

Subject: [pota] APEMANIA is NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS!!! Sheesh!

Ugh!  Let's set the record straight, gang.

Just to expunge this vicious rumor once and for all, APEMANIA is not having a "going out of business sale".  Things are grand.

Jeff's unsuccessful attempt at humor, albeit well intended, has spooked quite a few ape fans who are flooding us with e-mails asking if the rumor is true.  It ain't folks.

Jeff was just joking about the success of Jeepers Creepers and international interviews we've been getting of late making the
lab too busy to pursue Apemania merchandise and manufacturing.  This is not the case.  If the lab gets busier with feature film work, it just gives us more people to make more apes in their down-time.  We have no plans to abandon Apemania (our true love) and as we speak E Entertainment television and other media sources are talking to us about more tv spots.

So stay calm when Jeff speaks, and like many of you have, go to the source when when the rumors start flying.

All is well and we are looking to have a fun Halloween season, and hope you all will too.

And if Jeff falls for the ol' burning bag of dog poop on the doorstep gag this Halloween, I had nothing to do with it!

Brian
 

Brian wrote:

Well, thanx for the vote of confidence, but I don't think Ape fans should worry about Apemania fading away anytime soon.  We are fans too and we enjoy everything "ape" that we do.  So if Make-up & Monsters Studios is destined to grow to a Baker stature, that just means Apemania with grow too.

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Hey Brian - - -  What's this about sore delete fingers? I remember there was some guy in the group who went to Vegas and...No! I won't say it.  By "going out of business" I meant the next Rick Baker might not have time for "Apemania".                                                                         - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From:Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Printikas

 Wow!  Leave you guys (and gals) alone for a weekend and you talk up a friggin' storm!!!  I'm wearing out my delete keys!

As far as Planet of the Apes 2001 stuff, our license only covers the classic Apes right now.  I'll be talking with Fox again before the end of the month to see if we can add some of the new when we renew our contracts.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Brian
 

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veetus@... wrote:

   Flooding you with e-mails? You know, Brian is right. I made that up. The truth is I am the basis for the Mark Wahlberg character in "Boogie Nights". In fact, they borrowed my body to make a cast for a certain special FX in that movie. I don't want to get the girls excited or anything and be flooded with e-mails but I consider truth a virtue.                                                                     - - - - - Jeff

I can vouch for Jeff on that one.  My buddies over at KNB Effects group made Wahlberg's prosthetics for that film, and I can definately say that that's Jeff's nose you see on the screen.

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Hey Gang, Tom Burman (Chambers assistant) did that bigfoot show from the 70's, which scared the poop out of me as a kid, but I had to watch it anyway. The Six Million Dollar Man Bigfoot was played by Andre the Giant with nothing more than a hairsuit and some goofy teeth. Brian

Hey Brian,

I've had some time to do some research on the Internet Movie Database.

You're right, Andre the Giant was Bigfoot on two 1974 episodes on "The Six Million Dollar Man."  Yes, it was just a hairsuit and goofy teeth.   BUT, Ted "Lurch" Cassidy also played Bigfoot in two 1976 episodes of "The Bionic Woman."

As for my memory of an actor wearing gorilla appliances on an episode of a seventies' TV show, this is what I remember. . .  It was a gorilla, not a bigfoot, and it was as if Ursus had just walked out of the sauna scene in BENEATH: an actor in a bulky gorilla suit, but with a John Chambers' gorilla APES make-up on his face.   As for what show it was?   Hey, it could have been "Wonder Woman" for all I know, I just know I saw it.  Maybe Tom Burman did the makeup for the show, so that's how they could use the APES makeup.

Something else I remember from the seventies you might find interesting.  In 1979, CBS did a TV movie revival of "The Wild, Wild West" called "The Wild, Wild West Revisted."  In it, Shields and Yarnell played these two bionic beings belonging to Dr. Miguelito Loveless, Jr.   Part of the costumes they wore were the gorilla black leather vests from APES.  They must have gotten them from Western Costume.  Dr. Loveless, Jr., by the way, was played by Paul Williams.

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Some of you may remember that I've reported that the actor who played Dodge in PLANET, Jeff Burton, died on January 18, 1986.   I got that info from the Internet Movie Database.

But I've just learned from Joe Russo, who got it from another APES fan, that the actor who played Landon in PLANET, Robert Gunner, died in September 1992.   He quit the business after doing PLANET, lived in Paris for a few years, then came back.  I don't know yet any further details, like what he died of.  This info comes from his agent.

This fan that Joe Russo has talked to also says that Dianne Stanley, who played the sleeping Astronaut Stewart in ONE SHOT in PLANET, has resurfaced in California, AND IS DOING CONVENTIONS?!!!

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<< Just to expunge this vicious rumor once and for all, APEMANIA is not
having a "going out of business sale". Things are grand. >>

Well, that's nice to hear.

I'll never believe Jeff again.

-Joe

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I am giving thought to selling up - putting aside childish things.

Michael

What you got?!!!!

-- Rory

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I have a huge list Rory and I intend to sell the lot at once, or not at all.

I have a list lying around I'll try to dig up.  It is all classic POTA like Megos (figures and playsets, MIB and loose), Helicopter, Glider, Bow and Arrow set, Flashlight...the list is rather large.

Michael


You want to try and sell it all at once, or not at all?!!!   You greedy blighter!

Seriously, HANG ON TO IT!    Let me guess, the wife's making you get rid of it?

-- Rory

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] APEMANIA is NOT GOING OUT OF BUSINESS!!! Sheesh!

 

veetus@... wrote:

   Flooding you with e-mails? You know, Brian is right. I made that up. The truth is I am the basis for the Mark Wahlberg character in "Boogie Nights". In fact, they borrowed my body to make a cast for a certain special FX in that movie. I don't want to get the girls excited or anything and be flooded with e-mails but I consider truth a virtue.                                                                     - - - - - Jeff

I can vouch for Jeff on that one.  My buddies over at KNB Effects group made Wahlberg's prosthetics for that film, and I can definately say that that's Jeff's nose you see on the screen.

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Subject: [pota] That guy - you know?

I have a huge list Rory and I intend to sell the lot at once, or not at all.

 

I have a list lying around I'll try to dig up.  It is all classic POTA like Megos (figures and playsets, MIB and loose), Helicopter, Glider, Bow and Arrow set, Flashlight...the list is rather large.

 

Michael

 

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I am giving thought to selling up - putting aside childish things.

Michael

What you got?!!!!

-- Rory

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That would not be the first time that Richard Kiel donned a monster
suit.He played the Solanite in THE PHANTOM PLANET(1962),he also
played the Spanish Moss Monster on the Kolchak;Night Stalker show on
TV in 1975.
Richard Kiel also has an autobigraphy coming out in a couple of
months.check out his web site:
http://www.richardkiel.com
I dont know if he discuss playing a Bigfoot in that old 1969 National
Geographic Show,or include any photos of the"Burbank Bigfoot".

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> << Bigfoot by David Wolper productions,where John Chambers did the
> makeup on Richard Kiel portraying the Sasquatch?? >>
>
> No, can't remember that at all.
> But I do remember Eegah! ... fondly,
> with the exception of putty faced Arch Hall Jr. of course.

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In a message dated 9/25/01 5:17:18 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<< I have a huge list Rory and I intend to sell the lot at once, or not at
all. >>

Yeah, I have duplicates I could sell, but eBay is kind of a pain.
Perhaps we should have a buy, sell, trade week in the future.

<< T ,let me know when it arrives at your door.Thanks Bryan. >>

Will do.

And Mike lemme know about the POTA Bandages.

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Just a small tidbit -

UbiSoft is also creating a PotA game for the GameBoy Color (which is
different from the GameBoy Advance). It will be released on 11/28/2001 in
North America and on 11/30/2001 in Europe. So, that makes 4 PotA games - PC,
Playstation, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance.

Just thought I'd let you know. :) (You can play GameBoy Color games on
GameBoy Advance, too.)

-Joe.

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Good idea.

Michael

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<< I have a huge list Rory and I intend to sell the lot at once, or not at
all. >>

Yeah, I have duplicates I could sell, but eBay is kind of a pain.
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From: Michael Whitty

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 2:56 PM

Subject: [pota] That guy - you know?

I have a huge list Rory and I intend to sell the lot at once, or not at all.

 

I have a list lying around I'll try to dig up.  It is all classic POTA like Megos (figures and playsets, MIB and loose), Helicopter, Glider, Bow and Arrow set, Flashlight...the list is rather large.

 

Michael

 

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I am giving thought to selling up - putting aside childish things.

Michael

What you got?!!!!

-- Rory

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I have a huge list Rory and I intend to sell the lot at once, or not at all.

I have a list lying around I'll try to dig up.  It is all classic POTA like Megos (figures and playsets, MIB and loose), Helicopter, Glider, Bow and Arrow set, Flashlight...the list is rather large.

Michael


You want to try and sell it all at once, or not at all?!!!   You greedy blighter!

Seriously, HANG ON TO IT!    Let me guess, the wife's making you get rid of it?

-- Rory

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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 10:59 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out Home Page - Welcome to The Digital Bits!

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/27/01 12:28:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Hey, that http://www.digitalbits.com/

also has previews of the menus for the "Apes" DVD. And they say Burton WILL do a commentary, though he'd previously denied it. He reportedly says, "Alex, thanks for your support. Rory, f*** off". Burton, you've got some 'splainin' to do.

                                                                    - - - Jeff



Wow!  I didn't read that.  Burton WILL now do a commentary?  Oh, boy!   This is going to be interesting.  Now I'm a little more interested in this DVD.  Who's Burton going to blame?   Well, I can listen to him talk about how great the original was for hours, so hopefully there'll be a lot of that.

By the way, am I the only one who's noticed Alex seems missing of late?  (Just a little of the 'yang' missing the 'yin' here.)

-- Rory


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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:26 AM

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In a message dated 9/27/01 12:28:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Hey, that http://www.digitalbits.com/

also has previews of the menus for the "Apes" DVD. And they say Burton WILL do a commentary, though he'd previously denied it. He reportedly says, "Alex, thanks for your support. Rory, f*** off". Burton, you've got some 'splainin' to do.

                                                                    - - - Jeff

Wow!  I didn't read that.  Burton WILL now do a commentary?  Oh, boy!   This is going to be interesting.  Now I'm a little more interested in this DVD.  Who's Burton going to blame?   Well, I can listen to him talk about how great the original was for hours, so hopefully there'll be a lot of that.

By the way, am I the only one who's noticed Alex seems missing of late?  (Just a little of the 'yang' missing the 'yin' here.)

-- Rory


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/27/01 11:02:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Burton commentary is usually pretty bland (he talks through "Sleepy Hollow", "E. Scissorhands" and, with Paul Reubens, "Pee Wee"). Even Burton admits that, that's why he said at first he wouldn't do one for "Apes". But I guess Fox says this is his best commentary ever. Let's see...Burton said he wouldn't do a commentary and now he is. Burton said he wouldn't do a sequel..

                                                                   - - - - Jeff



Gee, I wish Fox had called me up.  I think I could have come up with ways to make his commentary interesting, like me asking him every five minutes, "Why does this suck?"  and  "Didn't any of you assholes read Boulle's book AND UNDERSTAND IT?!!!"   Or, "Hey Burton, Why don't you reimagine my ass?!!!!"

-- Rory


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In a message dated 9/27/01 4:22:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< So where has everyone gone? I am down to about 5 messages a day! >>

I've been busy with school work. Gotta study, you know! Anyway, I should get
back to posting more often, seeing that I just took 4 (!!) major tests today,
and I have hardly any work lined up for the weekend.

-Joe

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Oh yeah but at least they did not put prosthetics on the poor little bugger like they did in a certain Apes movie!!!

These guys are extremists Rory.  Who is to say that the baby was not simply returned to its mother?  And not how they say there MAY have been abuse or beatings.

That was just plain silly.

Michael



Yes, they are extremists, but we're talking apes here, so I have some sympathy.  And I am a believer in that apes should have close to the same rights as humans -- that being mostly the right to be left alone.  I just don't go crazy about it.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/27/01 5:22:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Whoops - should read "and NOTE how they say"......might make more sense.

I'd hate you guys to start bitching about MY punctuation!!!

So where has everyone gone?  I am down to about 5 messages a day!



I guess everybody is still in a funk over what happened on the 11th, or what's about to happen 'whenever.'

That, or I guess everybody is this group is just boring and has nothing to say.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/27/01 5:27:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< So where has everyone gone?  I am down to about 5 messages a day! >>

I've been busy with school work. Gotta study, you know!  Anyway, I should get
back to posting more often, seeing that I just took 4 (!!) major tests today,
and I have hardly any work lined up for the weekend.

-Joe

Ah!  The stressful life of a fifteen-year-old.

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<< Ah! The stressful life of a fifteen-year-old. >>

More annoying then stressful, actually.

-Kid

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In a message dated 9/27/01 11:02:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Burton commentary is usually pretty bland (he talks through "Sleepy Hollow", "E. Scissorhands" and, with Paul Reubens, "Pee Wee"). Even Burton admits that, that's why he said at first he wouldn't do one for "Apes". But I guess Fox says this is his best commentary ever. Let's see...Burton said he wouldn't do a commentary and now he is. Burton said he wouldn't do a sequel..

                                                                   - - - - Jeff

Gee, I wish Fox had called me up.  I think I could have come up with ways to make his commentary interesting, like me asking him every five minutes, "Why does this suck?"  and  "Didn't any of you assholes read Boulle's book AND UNDERSTAND IT?!!!"   Or, "Hey Burton, Why don't you reimagine my ass?!!!!"

-- Rory


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 His commentary would consist of "Rory, you don't understand!" and "Actually, I like that moment".

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And my response would be, "Oh, I understand well enough -- Hacks!  Hacks!  HACKS!   Everybody just collecting a paycheck!  Phooey!"    And, "You like that moment?  Well, the moment's over, now what's this shit?"   And, "A moment does not a movie make."

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In a message dated 9/27/01 11:01:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 His commentary would consist of "Rory, you don't understand!" and "Actually, I like that moment".

                                                                      - - - - Jeff

And my response would be, "Oh, I understand well enough -- Hacks!  Hacks!  HACKS!   Everybody just collecting a paycheck!  Phooey!"    And, "You like that moment?  Well, the moment's over, now what's this shit?"   And, "A moment does not a movie make."

Oh, I can't wait for this DVD.  It promises to be the most entertaining in a long time.

-- Rory

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I couple random thoughts . . .

There are four moons.

No matter what he's trying to do, Periclese can only throttle down.

The only character that really changes is Daena.

Now hold on I know what you're going to say . . . What about Limbo?
Limbo's change is just more salesmanship. He should work for Fox.
What about Attar? He's still the same guy. Only his point of view changes
when he learns the truth.
Daena on the other hand wouldn't even drink out of the same canteen as Ari in
the beginning. After she realizes all Ari's done for her, she's willing to
suck the monkey slobber from Leo's face with her fish lips! Okay, maybe her
feelings for him had something to do with it, though I can't imagine why.
The guy's a bit of a jerk.

TRIVIA: Who was the first person to win an Oscar for makeup?


ANSWER: William Tuttle received an honorary Oscar for "The 7
Faces of Dr. Lao" (1964). The only other recipient of an hon-
orary makeup award was John Chambers for "Planet of the Apes"
(1968). It became a regular competitive category in 1981.

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> So where has everyone gone? I am down to about 5 messages a day!

Very much still here, just kept my head down while Rory and Alex
slugged it out!

PotA 2001 has all but disappeared from theatres here (UK), probably
so that they can push the DVD at Christmas. I hated the remake (sorry
re-imagining) but I just know that some unknown force will make me
part with my hard earned cash for it. Oh sequel please reward my
undying faith!!!

Daniel

> TRIVIA: Who was the first person to win an Oscar for makeup?
>
>
> ANSWER: William Tuttle received an honorary Oscar for "The 7
> Faces of Dr. Lao" (1964). The only other recipient of an hon-
> orary makeup award was John Chambers for "Planet of the Apes"
> (1968). It became a regular competitive category in 1981.

Had you not given the answer I would have said the Oscar perhaps went
to whoever it was that did Karloffs makeup for Frankenstein, but then
again did they have the Oscars back in the thirties?

Daniel

Could anyone tell me if there have been any in depth articles
published anywhere such as Cinefex or anything like that, concerning
the career of Janos Prohaska.
Who of course played and designed some of the monsters for the 1960's
show the Outer Limits and Star Trek as well as various gorillas and
chimps on television.