.html Janos Prohaska was a pretty busy suit performer and actor in his day, (1960's and 1970's).  His life was tragically cut short in early 1974 when  a plane carrying the crew from a missing link tv project crashed near Mammoth Mountain, California.  Don Post still has Planet of the Apes molds of Janos.

Rory, Jeff, and Alex can you add more?

Brian

apemonsterman@... wrote:

Could anyone tell me if there have been any in depth articles
published anywhere such as Cinefex or anything like that, concerning
the career of Janos Prohaska.
Who of course played and designed some of the monsters for the 1960's
show the Outer Limits and Star Trek as well as various gorillas and
chimps on television.

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Jack Pierce was the much over looked make-up master who career began in 1927 and designed most of the classic Universal monsters like Frankenstein.  One of his last professional gigs was doing the horse's make-up on Mr. Ed tv series in the 1960's, which he wasn't too thrilled about from what I'm told.  How soon Hollywood forgets.

B

daniel225nma@... wrote:

> TRIVIA: Who was the first person to win an Oscar for makeup?
>
>
> ANSWER: William Tuttle received an honorary Oscar for "The 7
> Faces of Dr. Lao" (1964). The only other recipient of an hon-
> orary makeup award was John Chambers for "Planet of the Apes"
> (1968). It became a regular competitive category in 1981.

Had you not given the answer I would have said the Oscar perhaps went
to whoever it was that did Karloffs makeup for Frankenstein, but then
again did they have the Oscars back in the thirties?

Daniel

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Pericles changes: At the beginning, Leo makes a monkey out of him. By the
end, he's a better pilot than Leo.

Thade changes: At the beginning he believes humans don't even have a soul;
judging from the end, he was able to embrace human technology.

Of the first 3 makeup Oscars given out, two were for POTA makeup creators:
John Chambers and Rick Baker.

-
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 1:23 AM
Subject: [pota] Random Thoughts


>
> I couple random thoughts . . .
>
> There are four moons.
>
> No matter what he's trying to do, Periclese can only throttle down.
>
> The only character that really changes is Daena.
>
> Now hold on I know what you're going to say . . . What about Limbo?
> Limbo's change is just more salesmanship. He should work for Fox.
> What about Attar? He's still the same guy. Only his point of view
changes
> when he learns the truth.
> Daena on the other hand wouldn't even drink out of the same canteen as Ari
in
> the beginning. After she realizes all Ari's done for her, she's willing
to
> suck the monkey slobber from Leo's face with her fish lips! Okay, maybe
her
> feelings for him had something to do with it, though I can't imagine why.
> The guy's a bit of a jerk.
>
> TRIVIA: Who was the first person to win an Oscar for makeup?
>
>
> ANSWER: William Tuttle received an honorary Oscar for "The 7
> Faces of Dr. Lao" (1964). The only other recipient of an hon-
> orary makeup award was John Chambers for "Planet of the Apes"
> (1968). It became a regular competitive category in 1981.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

One of the things John Chambers said is we should petition for retro-Oscars
for the greats like Jack Pierce ("Frankenstein") who didn't get the
recognition they deserved but made the Oscars that are being awarded today
possible.

- - -
- Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 2:31 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Random Thoughts


> > TRIVIA: Who was the first person to win an Oscar for makeup?
> >
> >
> > ANSWER: William Tuttle received an honorary Oscar for "The 7
> > Faces of Dr. Lao" (1964). The only other recipient of an hon-
> > orary makeup award was John Chambers for "Planet of the Apes"
> > (1968). It became a regular competitive category in 1981.
>
> Had you not given the answer I would have said the Oscar perhaps went
> to whoever it was that did Karloffs makeup for Frankenstein, but then
> again did they have the Oscars back in the thirties?
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:52 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Janos Prohaska

Janos Prohaska was a pretty busy suit performer and actor in his day, (1960's and 1970's).  His life was tragically cut short in early 1974 when  a plane carrying the crew from a missing link tv project crashed near Mammoth Mountain, California.  Don Post still has Planet of the Apes molds of Janos.

Rory, Jeff, and Alex can you add more?

Brian

apemonsterman@... wrote:

Could anyone tell me if there have been any in depth articles
published anywhere such as Cinefex or anything like that, concerning
the career of Janos Prohaska.
Who of course played and designed some of the monsters for the 1960's
show the Outer Limits and Star Trek as well as various gorillas and
chimps on television.

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The two planet of the Apes movies are missing from this also the
Outer Limits shows from 1963,however a number of shows I never knew
about are listed here.
http://us.imdb.com/Name?Prohaska,+Janos

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.html Hi Lynne,

Does the mask have paint on it or is it just gray latyex and hair?  Image Exclusives put out two very cheap Gorilla Warriors that I believe were made in Mexico in the 90's.  Slightly over-sized and little to no paint at all, one with hair, one without.

If that's the one, people un-load them from time to time on e-Bay for $15-$40.

Brian

Lynne Miller wrote:

 

Hey, Brian..

I was just gifted with a pull-over mask. It was sold in the store, I think...my source isn't too helpful.   On the back it has: 1968/1995 POTA exclusive release...ahh, I can't remember the rest!!!  I'm at work right now.  Any clue as to how much this is worth?  More importantly, how do I restore it (it's not in too bad of shape), and how do I keep it restored?  Has anyone else seen this gorilla mask?  Maybe it was sold for Halloween or something?  The only thing open ifs the eyes, the nose and mouth are sealed and there are sponges inside.  Now all I need is a standing 'head' to put it up!!

                                                                  Lynne

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/28/01 5:09:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel225nma@... writes:

I hated the remake (sorry
re-imagining)!!!

Daniel    

You have very good taste.

-- Rory


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/28/01 11:17:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 I assume you're talking about the "Primal Man" crash. Bill Blake knows about Prohaska and his brother, who played the "primitive apes" in "Escape" and "Conquest" but insisted on using their own suits.                                                                  - - - - Jeff

Yeah, and one of the problems with their using their own suits is that the naked orangs in CONQUEST don't match the orangs in jumpsuits.

Oh well.  History now.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 9/28/01 4:32:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
daniel225nma@... writes:

<< but then again did they have the Oscars back in the thirties? >>

Yup, in fact the first Best Picture Oscar went to a silent film, Wings.
Anybody got the year for that one? My Movie & Video Guide dosen't go back
that far. My guess would be 1922.

.html Hi Lynne,

Does the mask have paint on it or is it just gray latyex and hair?  Image Exclusives put out two very cheap Gorilla Warriors that I believe were made in Mexico in the 90's.  Slightly over-sized and little to no paint at all, one with hair, one without.

If that's the one, people un-load them from time to time on e-Bay for $15-$40.

Brian

Lynne Miller wrote:

 

Hey, Brian..

I was just gifted with a pull-over mask. It was sold in the store, I think...my source isn't too helpful.   On the back it has: 1968/1995 POTA exclusive release...ahh, I can't remember the rest!!!  I'm at work right now.  Any clue as to how much this is worth?  More importantly, how do I restore it (it's not in too bad of shape), and how do I keep it restored?  Has anyone else seen this gorilla mask?  Maybe it was sold for Halloween or something?  The only thing open ifs the eyes, the nose and mouth are sealed and there are sponges inside.  Now all I need is a standing 'head' to put it up!!

                                                                  Lynne

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/28/01 3:27:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

<< but then again did they have the Oscars back in the thirties? >>

Yup, in fact the first Best Picture Oscar went to a silent film, Wings.
Anybody got the year for that one?  My Movie & Video Guide dosen't go back
that far.  My guess would be 1922.

1927 - 28.  There must be a website someplace with everything you'd ever want to know about the Academy Awards.

As for Movie and Video guides, without question Leonard Maltin's is the best.  Back before 1985 they only credited Rod Serling with the screenplay for PLANET.  Of course I wrote them a letter reminding them of who Michael Wilson was and that the final screenplay for PLANET was his.  They started crediting both writers the next year.

I can't wait until next year's issue to see how many stars and what they say about POTA (2001).  For me, that will be the final word on the movie.  I predict it will only get two stars.

-- Rory

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Hey Gang,

The King is HOME!!!

Today we installed the restored Caesar statue (from Battle) at it's new
and permament home in the Roddy McDowall Memorial Rose Garden. This
place is very VERY nice.
Roddy would be proud.
The big all-star celebrity dedication will take place on October 6th,
during the Motion Picture and Television Fund's 80th Anniversary
activities. Looks to be a big to-do!!!

Enjoy!

Brian

That is totally awesome! Are you going to provide an address? Can anyone go
there and check it out? Not that I have any plans to be in California any
time soon, but if I ever am I would love to see that up close and personal.

The setting looks great too.

Matt

.html Hi Matt,

I'll do one better and give you the Fund's website address <http://www.mptvfund.org/>, then you get to read about all the cool things going on over there.

And if anyone plans to visit and take the statue home with them you'll need to bring the following:

• several jack-hammers
• a large crane
• a large flatbed truck
• an army battalion to fight off security
• and $2.00 for parking

Good luck,

Brian

MTotsky@... wrote:

That is totally awesome! Are you going to provide an address? Can anyone go
there and check it out? Not that I have any plans to be in California any
time soon, but if I ever am I would love to see that up close and personal.

The setting looks great too.

Matt

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.htmlMatt,do you live in U.K.? I need to get the New David Cassidy cd Then and now.It will be released Oct 2 2001.It wont be released in the states for three months.can you help me get one ? I will send you money for it if you could pick one up.David is on tour and coming to Phx az in Oct 19 fans in the states are trying to get this cd of Hits new and old songs.David is Planning a U.K. Tour in nov.He has a bigger following in the U.K..Thats why he signed a record label there.Let me know if you could do this for me.Thanks Bryan<.html

In a message dated 9/29/01 12:25:15 AM, Kay53531@... writes:

<< Matt,do you live in U.K.? >>

Are you talking to me? If so, then no I do not live in the UK. I live in the
Detroit area.

Matt

Anyone else see this?

http://www.etonline.com/celebrity/a6826.htm

Matt

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Random Thoughts

Hey Daniel,

Jack Pierce was the much over looked make-up master who career began in 1927 and designed most of the classic Universal monsters like Frankenstein.  One of his last professional gigs was doing the horse's make-up on Mr. Ed tv series in the 1960's, which he wasn't too thrilled about from what I'm told.  How soon Hollywood forgets.

B

daniel225nma@... wrote:

> TRIVIA: Who was the first person to win an Oscar for makeup?
>
>
> ANSWER: William Tuttle received an honorary Oscar for "The 7
> Faces of Dr. Lao" (1964). The only other recipient of an hon-
> orary makeup award was John Chambers for "Planet of the Apes"
> (1968). It became a regular competitive category in 1981.

Had you not given the answer I would have said the Oscar perhaps went
to whoever it was that did Karloffs makeup for Frankenstein, but then
again did they have the Oscars back in the thirties?

Daniel

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Some folks have asked me to send my "Veetus" comic strips out to the
group, so I'll give it a shot. "Veetus" ape-peared in "Ape Chronicles" in
1992 - '94. By my calculations there's 40 strips, so I don't know how that's
going to work. Please remember, we live in the age of the reimagination so
be gentle.

- - - -
Jeff

The "Veetus" weekend is brought to you by:

Maxwell House Coffee - "Good to the last drop"

and

"Ape Chronicles" - "Where quality is the lawgiver"

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 9:34 PM
Subject: [pota] Dr. Hasslein's Real Life Terrorist Scare


> Anyone else see this?
>
> http://www.etonline.com/celebrity/a6826.htm
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

<< I can't wait until next year's issue to see how many stars and what they
say
about POTA (2001). For me, that will be the final word on the movie. I
predict it will only get two stars. >>

The news paper here gave it a C+. I've found that seems to be the consensus
all the way around. About a * * 1/2. The only time it's been given a three
star rating that I've seen is when the rating scale shifts from a four star
to a five star system. Not very high marks. I believe they described it a
visually stunning, dramatically hollow. And it has all but vanished from
here as well. It can still be found at theaters here and there, with the
vast majority having only two or three screenings a day.

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The King is HOME!!!

Today we installed the restored Caesar statue (from Battle) at it's new
and permament home in the Roddy McDowall Memorial Rose Garden.  This
place is very VERY nice.
Roddy would be proud.
The big all-star celebrity dedication will take place on October 6th,
during the Motion Picture and Television Fund's 80th Anniversary
activities.  Looks to be a big to-do!!!

Enjoy!

Brian

Wow!  That is great.  Do you know which stars will be there for the dedication?  Also, I believe you've said the statue is made of fiberglass.  How do you expect it to hold up over time?  I believe it was in Roddy McDowall's backyard for years.

-- Rory

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Hey Rory,Did You get the dvd of Batman?What is the History of the Batmobile Like?Did You see the Batmobile racing in the Rock Star movie?That was the highlight of the movie,the rest was eeh!! would not care to see it again.Bryan

The "Batman" DVD is okay, not great.  The history of the Batmobile could have been better.  It's nice that Fox has put out this DVD, but it's also appearent they didn't want to spend too much money on it, so while it's nice, I wish there was more.  I'd suggest trying to find someplace where you can rent this DVD, however if you really love the old Batman show it's a DVD you'll want to own.

Believe it or not, gang, I went and saw "Rock Star"!   Not a good movie, but I will tell you this. . . Wahlberg was WASTED in APES!  The guy can act.  Oh, he's still green, but there's something there.  Why he was given nothing to do in POTA 2001 I don't know, but then I'm still in shock really about how mediocre the new APES was.

-- Rory


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.htmlIn a message dated 9/29/01 12:36:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

Anyone else see this?

http://www.etonline.com/celebrity/a6826.htm

Matt

Wow!  That was cool, except at the end they forgot to mention Eric Braeden was also in the 1971 minor-classic "Escape from the Planet of the Apes."    What's up with that?!!!   Geez!!!

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/29/01 12:37:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Universal actually FIRED Jack Pierce. And now look how much they make off his designs with their officially licensed stuff. At least Karloff and Lugosi's kids still make some dough.

                                                                      - - - - Jeff



Yes!  I was going to mention this.  Jack Pierce never made a dime on all the money Universal has made using HIS makeup designs.  Old Hollywood kind of SUCKED!   Pierce died in a small apartment in 1968, nearly forgotten.  I saw a "This is Your Life" once with Boris Karloff, and they brought out Jack Pierce.  Karloff hugged him and said, "This man is a genius."  Well, he's not forgotten now.

-- Rory


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Just another Random Thought . . .

Ol' Cap'n Davidson is stuck on a distant planet for at least a long weekend,
and yet, he never even develops so much as a heavy five o' clock shadow.
They must have some king-hell electrolysis in the future, or maybe he uses
Nads. At least Taylor grew a beard. Maybe Leo doesn't go in for fads.
Damn, I'm a poet, and know I it. Funny, but I didn't pick up on that when I
wrote it.

"...both a gas and distant, a toy sealed in its unbreakable box."
(NY Times)

I had planned to see it earlier this year.
I live in a small town in the midwest where they have about 10
movie"houses" cubicles crammed in at the mall.
trouble is I just found out it already did play here a couple of
weeks ago for about a few days,and I didnt even know about it.

I have the screenplays.
Wilson & Serling
Hayes
Hamm
Now I need the new one, right?
I can't even find one on eBay.
Any ideas? I thought they'd be everywhere.

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Rory wrote:

 
Wow!  That is great.  Do you know which stars will be there for the dedication?

I believe it'll be a biggie.  Kevin Spacey seems to be the host, I saw Michael Douglas, Jeffery Katzenberg, Steven Speilberg, and Arnold Swartzenegger's names on the committee list, and there's oodles more.

 Also, I believe you've said the statue is made of fiberglass.  How do you expect it to hold up over time?

As long as our yellow sun doesn't go nova anytime soon, it should hold up for a good 75 years, although the paint might need to be touched up in a decade or so.

I believe it was in Roddy McDowall's backyard for years.

That it was.  He willed it to the fund and they took possession after his passing.

B

 

-- Rory

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Quick question...

Does the new POTA video game add any "in-universe" material? (That is,
does it have an original storyline that would be considered "new" to the
POTA universe?) Or is it merely a re-creation of the film stories with
players taking the parts of the film characters?

Thanks!
Rich

If you want to pay for the "Making of" book, it has the script in there
(including stuff that got cut out). You can buy it for what it would cost
you to get the actual script. There's even a "Go Ape" poster in there
creditted to Brian Penikas. I'd like to find the original William Broyles
and the James Cameron treatment. But those were only circulated to a select
few and would be hard to find.

- - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes remake


>
> I have the screenplays.
> Wilson & Serling
> Hayes
> Hamm
> Now I need the new one, right?
> I can't even find one on eBay.
> Any ideas? I thought they'd be everywhere.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Greetings, all,

I am slowly re-reading and re-watching my POTA collection and wanted to be
sure I am not missing anything. If anyone notices anything missing from
list in terms of officially licensed POTA stories, I'd be very grateful if
you could let me know so I can track it down. Thanks!

· The six movies, filmed TV series, and cartoons.
· Pierre Boulle's source novel, plus novelizations of same.
· Scripts to unfilmed episodes "Hostage" and "A Fallen God."
· Gold Key Comics' adaptation of Beneath the P.O.T.A.
· Marvel #1-29, plus...
- Apeslayer storyline in U.K. issues #23-30, and
- Adventures on the P.O.T.A. #11.
· Adventure Comics #1-24, plus...
- Ape City #1-4,
- Urchak's Folly #1-4,
- Ape Nation #1-4,
- Ape Nation Limited Edition,
- A Day on the Planet of the Apes Annual #1,
- Blood of the Apes #1-4,
- Terror on the Planet of the Apes #1-4,
- Forbidden Zone #1-4, and
- Sins of the Father #1.
· Power Records' adaptations of four of the films, plus...
- Mountain of the Delphi,
- Battle of Two Worlds,
- Dawn of the Tree People, and
- Volcano.
· British P.O.T.A. hardcover annuals, 1975-1977.
· Dark Horse Comics' ongoing series, plus...
- Film adaptation,
- Dark Horse Extra #36-38,
- Toys'R'Us Collector's Comic, and
- The Human War #1-3.

In terms of fiction -- not reference or non-fiction books -- am I
overlooking anything? Specifically, does anyone know of any foreign
P.O.T.A. comics aside from the Apeslayer comics and the three hardcover
annuals (original stories, not reprints)? Anything else? Thanks!

Rich

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 5:31 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Random Thoughts

In a message dated 9/29/01 12:37:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Universal actually FIRED Jack Pierce. And now look how much they make off his designs with their officially licensed stuff. At least Karloff and Lugosi's kids still make some dough.

                                                                      - - - - Jeff

Yes!  I was going to mention this.  Jack Pierce never made a dime on all the money Universal has made using HIS makeup designs.  Old Hollywood kind of SUCKED!   Pierce died in a small apartment in 1968, nearly forgotten.  I saw a "This is Your Life" once with Boris Karloff, and they brought out Jack Pierce.  Karloff hugged him and said, "This man is a genius."  Well, he's not forgotten now.

-- Rory


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There's stuff on there I hadn't even heard about. There's actually a Toys
R Us comic? I bet that'll be rare.

Speaking of toys, the new "Apes" stuff are taking a dive again. Those 12"
Attars and Leos are $5 now at Target and Suncoast is having another 25% off
sale. No one's having any sales on "Jurassic Park" stuff. Could that mean
something?

- - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Handley" <rhandley@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 3:01 PM
Subject: [pota] POTA stories


Greetings, all,

I am slowly re-reading and re-watching my POTA collection and wanted to be
sure I am not missing anything. If anyone notices anything missing from
list in terms of officially licensed POTA stories, I'd be very grateful if
you could let me know so I can track it down. Thanks!

· The six movies, filmed TV series, and cartoons.
· Pierre Boulle's source novel, plus novelizations of same.
· Scripts to unfilmed episodes "Hostage" and "A Fallen God."
· Gold Key Comics' adaptation of Beneath the P.O.T.A.
· Marvel #1-29, plus...
- Apeslayer storyline in U.K. issues #23-30, and
- Adventures on the P.O.T.A. #11.
· Adventure Comics #1-24, plus...
- Ape City #1-4,
- Urchak's Folly #1-4,
- Ape Nation #1-4,
- Ape Nation Limited Edition,
- A Day on the Planet of the Apes Annual #1,
- Blood of the Apes #1-4,
- Terror on the Planet of the Apes #1-4,
- Forbidden Zone #1-4, and
- Sins of the Father #1.
· Power Records' adaptations of four of the films, plus...
- Mountain of the Delphi,
- Battle of Two Worlds,
- Dawn of the Tree People, and
- Volcano.
· British P.O.T.A. hardcover annuals, 1975-1977.
· Dark Horse Comics' ongoing series, plus...
- Film adaptation,
- Dark Horse Extra #36-38,
- Toys'R'Us Collector's Comic, and
- The Human War #1-3.

In terms of fiction -- not reference or non-fiction books -- am I
overlooking anything? Specifically, does anyone know of any foreign
P.O.T.A. comics aside from the Apeslayer comics and the three hardcover
annuals (original stories, not reprints)? Anything else? Thanks!

Rich

It looks like you are missing the 7 tv series and cartoon novels. There are 4
from the TV series and 3 from Return. The 4th book from the tv series is hard
to find but you can eventually come across it. The 3 Return books are also
hard to find. I found all of them after looking online for 2 or 3 months at
www.abe.com (advanced book exchange), ebay.com, and amazon.com z shops. Good
luck if you don't already have them.

Loc


In a message dated 9/29/01 5:02:30 PM Central Daylight Time,
rhandley@... writes:

<< Greetings, all,

I am slowly re-reading and re-watching my POTA collection and wanted to be
sure I am not missing anything. If anyone notices anything missing from
list in terms of officially licensed POTA stories, I'd be very grateful if
you could let me know so I can track it down. Thanks!

· The six movies, filmed TV series, and cartoons.
· Pierre Boulle's source novel, plus novelizations of same.
· Scripts to unfilmed episodes "Hostage" and "A Fallen God."
· Gold Key Comics' adaptation of Beneath the P.O.T.A.
· Marvel #1-29, plus...
- Apeslayer storyline in U.K. issues #23-30, and
- Adventures on the P.O.T.A. #11.
· Adventure Comics #1-24, plus...
- Ape City #1-4,
- Urchak's Folly #1-4,
- Ape Nation #1-4,
- Ape Nation Limited Edition,
- A Day on the Planet of the Apes Annual #1,
- Blood of the Apes #1-4,
- Terror on the Planet of the Apes #1-4,
- Forbidden Zone #1-4, and
- Sins of the Father #1.
· Power Records' adaptations of four of the films, plus...
- Mountain of the Delphi,
- Battle of Two Worlds,
- Dawn of the Tree People, and
- Volcano.
· British P.O.T.A. hardcover annuals, 1975-1977.
· Dark Horse Comics' ongoing series, plus...
- Film adaptation,
- Dark Horse Extra #36-38,
- Toys'R'Us Collector's Comic, and
- The Human War #1-3.

In terms of fiction -- not reference or non-fiction books -- am I
overlooking anything? Specifically, does anyone know of any foreign
P.O.T.A. comics aside from the Apeslayer comics and the three hardcover
annuals (original stories, not reprints)? Anything else? Thanks!

Rich >>

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Hey Rory,Did You get the dvd of Batman?What is the History of the Batmobile Like?Did You see the Batmobile racing in the Rock Star movie?That was the highlight of the movie,the rest was eeh!! would not care to see it again.Bryan

The "Batman" DVD is okay, not great.  The history of the Batmobile could have been better.  It's nice that Fox has put out this DVD, but it's also appearent they didn't want to spend too much money on it, so while it's nice, I wish there was more.  I'd suggest trying to find someplace where you can rent this DVD, however if you really love the old Batman show it's a DVD you'll want to own.

Believe it or not, gang, I went and saw "Rock Star"!   Not a good movie, but I will tell you this. . . Wahlberg was WASTED in APES!  The guy can act.  Oh, he's still green, but there's something there.  Why he was given nothing to do in POTA 2001 I don't know, but then I'm still in shock really about how mediocre the new APES was.

-- Rory


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OK

There was an Aussie Marvel series that stopped around the end of Escape. It
had the "Terror" and other associated stories but nothing completely
original. All the covers are from the

Also the UK did something similar but had a whole lot of original covers and
went to the end of Battle (I think).

Ken Taylor has an Argentinian (I think - it could be from Finland or
somewhere else) foreign language comic that has an original story line using
the TV Series characters. Ken, tell us more!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Handley [rhandley@...]
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 8:02
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA stories

Greetings, all,

I am slowly re-reading and re-watching my POTA collection and wanted to be
sure I am not missing anything. If anyone notices anything missing from
list in terms of officially licensed POTA stories, I'd be very grateful if
you could let me know so I can track it down. Thanks!

· The six movies, filmed TV series, and cartoons.
· Pierre Boulle's source novel, plus novelizations of same.
· Scripts to unfilmed episodes "Hostage" and "A Fallen God."
· Gold Key Comics' adaptation of Beneath the P.O.T.A.
· Marvel #1-29, plus...
- Apeslayer storyline in U.K. issues #23-30, and
- Adventures on the P.O.T.A. #11.
· Adventure Comics #1-24, plus...
- Ape City #1-4,
- Urchak's Folly #1-4,
- Ape Nation #1-4,
- Ape Nation Limited Edition,
- A Day on the Planet of the Apes Annual #1,
- Blood of the Apes #1-4,
- Terror on the Planet of the Apes #1-4,
- Forbidden Zone #1-4, and
- Sins of the Father #1.
· Power Records' adaptations of four of the films, plus...
- Mountain of the Delphi,
- Battle of Two Worlds,
- Dawn of the Tree People, and
- Volcano.
· British P.O.T.A. hardcover annuals, 1975-1977.
· Dark Horse Comics' ongoing series, plus...
- Film adaptation,
- Dark Horse Extra #36-38,
- Toys'R'Us Collector's Comic, and
- The Human War #1-3.

In terms of fiction -- not reference or non-fiction books -- am I
overlooking anything? Specifically, does anyone know of any foreign
P.O.T.A. comics aside from the Apeslayer comics and the three hardcover
annuals (original stories, not reprints)? Anything else? Thanks!

Rich

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<< I saw "Boogie Nights" last night for the first time and I was thinking the
same - the kid CAN act!!!! >>

Yeah, I thought he wasn't too bad in the films he was in with Clooney.
I don't know what happened in Apes. He seem out of it. On the other hand,
Giamatti seemed way over the top. So was Roth but with a character like that
to play how can you not go nuts with it. Duncan just over enunciated too
much, but maybe he had to. There's a good argument for voice overs, which I
think they did a lot with Tokagawa. Warren was perfectly cast as a bitch
dumb blonde. Did anyone else notice that Ari's father was an albino? No
pigment in his nails.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:17 PM

Subject: [pota] DVD Releases

DVD Releases:

Just got Terminator Special Edition and Mummy Returns.

Terminator is outstanding, two great behind the scene features and tons of production snap shots, storyboards, screen play, t.v. spots, the works!

 

Mummy Returns is great as well, a lot of extras, and a lot of promos for Scorpion King including scenes. But I have a feeling this movie is going to suck big time so no doubt I'll be waiting for the cable release on this one. I'm not to crazy about CONAN Sword play movies, they were okay with Arnie a couple of decades ago but I've pretty much out grown those macho sword flicks.

 

Enjoying my rest.

Al

 

 

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In a message dated 9/29/01 7:20:39 AM Central Daylight Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Believe it or not, gang, I went and saw "Rock Star"! Not a good movie,
but
I will tell you this. . . Wahlberg was WASTED in APES! >>

I didn't think it was too good either, but yeah, Wahlberg is a great actor.
I thought that Tim Burton could of made Leo a better character in PotA'01.
That's about my only complaint.... ;)

-Joe

In a message dated 9/29/01 8:22:28 AM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Maybe Leo doesn't go in for fads.

>>

Okay Lucius...

-Joe

In a message dated 9/29/01 5:14:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< Speaking of toys, the new "Apes" stuff are taking a dive again. Those 12"
Attars and Leos are $5 now at Target and Suncoast is having another 25% off
sale. >>

I stopped by Spencer's Gifts and got 2 Apes shirts for 6 bucks total today.

-Joe

Wahlberg is good as young turks or rebellious characters. Plus his past
helps. I think he gets lost playing a conventional hero (come to think of
it, Burton gets lost when he has a conventional hero). Plus Leo was written
very bland. It's a no win situation.

- - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Batman dvd movie


> In a message dated 9/29/01 7:20:39 AM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << Believe it or not, gang, I went and saw "Rock Star"! Not a good
movie,
> but
> I will tell you this. . . Wahlberg was WASTED in APES! >>
>
> I didn't think it was too good either, but yeah, Wahlberg is a great
actor.
> I thought that Tim Burton could of made Leo a better character in PotA'01.
> That's about my only complaint.... ;)
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I can't wait for "Terminator", you lucky dog!                                                               - - - - Jeff

 

 

Your really going to like this DVD Jeff.

It's not presented in the grander scale as T2 Special Edition but it has just as much content in a more simple interactive menu. One of the features felt like it was about 2 hours long and they cover every little aspect towards the evolution of the film itself. Really AMAZING stuff. Cameron was living off of McDonald coupons when gearing up to T1, (he's sure come a long way since then) and it interviews everyone involved in the film, from the actors to the makers 15 years later.

 

It's great to see another great DVD release like this!

 

Best,

Al

 

 

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Attachments :

As promised, here's a few pix of the Hollywood Bigfoot that Chambers did...

(photos courtesy of Scott Essman)

Attachments :

Chamber's Hollywood Bigfoot photo #2

Attachments :

Chamber's Hollywood Bigfoot photo #3

>From: locutusatwolf359@...
>Subject: Re: POTA stories
>It looks like you are missing the 7 tv series and cartoon novels.

Second item on the list, actually, but I do appreciate your taking the
effort to check for me. <grin> See below...

> · The six movies, filmed TV series, and cartoons.
> · Pierre Boulle's source novel, plus novelizations of same.


>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Subject: Foriegn Comics
>There was an Aussie Marvel series that stopped around the end of Escape. It
>had the "Terror" and other associated stories but nothing completely
>original. All the covers are from the
>Also the UK did something similar but had a whole lot of original covers and
>went to the end of Battle (I think).

Thanks -- as it happens, I've just about completed the UK run. Didn't know
abou the Aussie run, though -- are they any difeent than the U.S. comics?

>Ken Taylor has an Argentinian (I think - it could be from Finland or
>somewhere else) foreign language comic that has an original story line using
>the TV Series characters. Ken, tell us more!

Heh heh... yeah, Ken was going to copy it fr me, but... well... :)

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Hi!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
[snip]
> > about Prohaska and his brother, who played the "primitive apes"
in "Escape"
> > and "Conquest" but insisted on using their own
suits.
[snip]
>
> Yeah, and one of the problems with their using their own suits is
that the
> naked orangs in CONQUEST don't match the orangs in jumpsuits.

Ha-ha! This is something that always puzzeled me! I always chalked it
up to 'budget' or lack of.

Thanks for this neat tidbit!

Best Wishes!
J.

Alex,

I finally have you beat, at least on theater screenings, unless you've been
back to the theater to jack up the box-office receipts like a good little
monkey. Though I can only find eleven ticket stubs, I'm pretty sure it's an
even dozen now. You're turn! Though I fear time on this game is running
out. I had to drive to GrAPEvine to catch a showing. Soon I'll have to look
for it at the dollar movies. But even though it was the late show there were
more people in there than last time. So there's hope it may make 180 mil
yet! Who knows? It may have made the magic 200M domestic mark by the time
it leaves the dollar movies. Though even the 190s will be a tough climb.

Hi!

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> As promised, here's a few pix of the Hollywood Bigfoot that
Chambers did...
>
> (photos courtesy of Scott Essman)

Incredible! Thanks for sending these!

Best Wishes!
J.

P.S. And the photo of the Ceasar statue was way beyond cool, also!

I was just going over my specials tape...

I noticed a scene in the E! Special . . . One of the humans asks, "What
happens to us?" and he replies, "I don't care." "Where do we go?" "Where do
we go?' "Where ever you want." Thanks for the tip on the script in the
Making of...book. I have to read it now. It looks like before the editor
got it in the cutting-room Leo was an even bigger jerk than he was on screen.
I wonder what other Leo witticisms were left out.

.htmlIn a message dated 9/29/01 6:10:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Ironically that same year, 1968, "Life" magazine did a cover story celebrating the 150th anniversary of the "Frankenstein" novel. That had a picture of Karloff on the cover with a cake and a bunch of candles. Arthur Jacobs had this issue, which is in his archives at Loyola Maramont University. He used it as research for his own planned "Frankenstein".

                                                                       - - - - Jeff



I remember that issue.  I made my mother buy it for me at the grocery store.  "Life" magazine was great.  As I've said before, too bad Jacobs didn't get Karloff as a guest star for POTA.  Imagine if he'd played the President of the Assembly.

-- Rory

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/29/01 6:14:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Speaking of toys, the new "Apes" stuff are taking a dive again. Those 12"
Attars and Leos are $5 now at Target and Suncoast is having another 25% off
sale. No one's having any sales on "Jurassic Park" stuff. Could that mean
something?

                                                                    - - - -
Jeff

Could that mean something?    Let me think. . . .

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Well, according to this POTA 2001 is almost at the $180 million mark.  T, you and Alex better get out to the theatres a few more times.

One of the reasons I was so hostile to this movie when I first saw it, I was nearly sure it was going to bomb at the boxoffice -- and I was pissed, BUT it's done fairly well.  It didn't set the world on fire, but it wasn't a bomb!  Praise the Lawgiver!

So. . . Think there'll be a sequel?   LOL!!!!!!

-- Rory

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No, the Aussie ones are the same in content just thinner - similar to what
the UK did but not as small and no original covers.

I'm sure Ken will come through - he always does!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Handley [rhandley@...]
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 16:22
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 706


Thanks -- as it happens, I've just about completed the UK run. Didn't know
abou the Aussie run, though -- are they any difeent than the U.S. comics?

>Ken Taylor has an Argentinian (I think - it could be from Finland or
>somewhere else) foreign language comic that has an original story line

using

>the TV Series characters. Ken, tell us more!

Heh heh... yeah, Ken was going to copy it fr me, but... well... :)

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:17 PM

Subject: [pota] DVD Releases

DVD Releases:

Just got Terminator Special Edition and Mummy Returns.

Terminator is outstanding, two great behind the scene features and tons of production snap shots, storyboards, screen play, t.v. spots, the works!

 

Mummy Returns is great as well, a lot of extras, and a lot of promos for Scorpion King including scenes. But I have a feeling this movie is going to suck big time so no doubt I'll be waiting for the cable release on this one. I'm not to crazy about CONAN Sword play movies, they were okay with Arnie a couple of decades ago but I've pretty much out grown those macho sword flicks.

 

Enjoying my rest.

Al

 

 

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.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 8:51:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey Ken

Did the US have to wait for the Terminator Special Edition or os this an even more special one than that released here about 6 months ago????

Michael



I know that this "Terminator" Special Edition was released in Europe about six months ago, so YES it's probably what was released in Auusieland, too.   GET IT!  If you're so inclined.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:17 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: DVD Releases

I can't wait for "Terminator", you lucky dog!                                                               - - - - Jeff

 

 

Your really going to like this DVD Jeff.

It's not presented in the grander scale as T2 Special Edition but it has just as much content in a more simple interactive menu. One of the features felt like it was about 2 hours long and they cover every little aspect towards the evolution of the film itself. Really AMAZING stuff. Cameron was living off of McDonald coupons when gearing up to T1, (he's sure come a long way since then) and it interviews everyone involved in the film, from the actors to the makers 15 years later.

 

It's great to see another great DVD release like this!

 

Best,

Al

 

 

 

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One thing I noticed in the script is they give Attar lines that show he's
struggling with his faith and make him less of a one- note villian. When
Karubi (Kris Kristopherson) is killed in the movie, it's just a "monster
moment". In the script it's shown that Attar is impressed with his bravery
(Karubi is sacrificing himself so the others have a chance to escape). There
is a line that even made it into the talking Attar figure but not the movie:
"Why do you not tremble before me?" (Karubi's reply: "I'm done being
scared").

The scene where Ari offers herself to Thade also includes an exchange
showing Attar questioning his society. I remember a reviewer commenting that
Attar's sudden change of heart at the end was too abrupt. These added
moments wouldn't have saved the movie but they could've helped. Fox is
promising 5 extended scenes on the DVD so I guess we'll see what might have
been.
- - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:49 AM
Subject: [pota] No one ever called Pablo Piccasso an asshole...


>
>
> I was just going over my specials tape...
>
> I noticed a scene in the E! Special . . . One of the humans asks, "What
> happens to us?" and he replies, "I don't care." "Where do we go?" "Where
do
> we go?' "Where ever you want." Thanks for the tip on the script in the
> Making of...book. I have to read it now. It looks like before the editor
> got it in the cutting-room Leo was an even bigger jerk than he was on
screen.
> I wonder what other Leo witticisms were left out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 4:41 AM

Subject: [pota] Check out WorldwideBoxoffice.com -- 3610 titles as of Sep 29 2001

Click here: WorldwideBoxoffice.com -- 3610 titles as of Sep 29 2001

Well, according to this POTA 2001 is almost at the $180 million mark.  T, you and Alex better get out to the theatres a few more times.

One of the reasons I was so hostile to this movie when I first saw it, I was nearly sure it was going to bomb at the boxoffice -- and I was pissed, BUT it's done fairly well.  It didn't set the world on fire, but it wasn't a bomb!  Praise the Lawgiver!

So. . . Think there'll be a sequel?   LOL!!!!!!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:42 AM

Subject: [pota] Hey Ken Taylor

Hey Ken

 

Did the US have to wait for the Terminator Special Edition or os this an even more special one than that released here about 6 months ago????

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 12:45
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Releases

  I can't wait for "Terminator", you lucky dog!

 

                                                            - - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:17 PM

Subject: [pota] DVD Releases

DVD Releases:

Just got Terminator Special Edition and Mummy Returns.

Terminator is outstanding, two great behind the scene features and tons of production snap shots, storyboards, screen play, t.v. spots, the works!

 

Mummy Returns is great as well, a lot of extras, and a lot of promos for Scorpion King including scenes. But I have a feeling this movie is going to suck big time so no doubt I'll be waiting for the cable release on this one. I'm not to crazy about CONAN Sword play movies, they were okay with Arnie a couple of decades ago but I've pretty much out grown those macho sword flicks.

 

Enjoying my rest.

Al

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 9:53 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Hey Ken Taylor

  I think the U.S. had to wait. There was a review of one that was released in France early this year. But the U.S. version allows you to play the movie in it's original mono, which earlier versions didn't. I think people were complaining about the scene Alex mentioned.

 

                                                                       - - - - Jeff

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:42 AM

Subject: [pota] Hey Ken Taylor

Hey Ken

 

Did the US have to wait for the Terminator Special Edition or os this an even more special one than that released here about 6 months ago????

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2001 12:45
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] DVD Releases

  I can't wait for "Terminator", you lucky dog!

 

                                                            - - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 7:17 PM

Subject: [pota] DVD Releases

DVD Releases:

Just got Terminator Special Edition and Mummy Returns.

Terminator is outstanding, two great behind the scene features and tons of production snap shots, storyboards, screen play, t.v. spots, the works!

 

Mummy Returns is great as well, a lot of extras, and a lot of promos for Scorpion King including scenes. But I have a feeling this movie is going to suck big time so no doubt I'll be waiting for the cable release on this one. I'm not to crazy about CONAN Sword play movies, they were okay with Arnie a couple of decades ago but I've pretty much out grown those macho sword flicks.

 

Enjoying my rest.

Al

 

 

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In a message dated 9/30/01 11:48:59 AM Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< One thing I noticed in the script is they give Attar lines that show he's
struggling with his faith and make him less of a one- note villian. When
Karubi (Kris Kristopherson) is killed in the movie, it's just a "monster
moment". In the script it's shown that Attar is impressed with his bravery
(Karubi is sacrificing himself so the others have a chance to escape). There
is a line that even made it into the talking Attar figure but not the movie:
"Why do you not tremble before me?" (Karubi's reply: "I'm done being
scared").

The scene where Ari offers herself to Thade also includes an exchange
showing Attar questioning his society. I remember a reviewer commenting that
Attar's sudden change of heart at the end was too abrupt. These added
moments wouldn't have saved the movie but they could've helped. Fox is
promising 5 extended scenes on the DVD so I guess we'll see what might have
been. >>

I really wish they would've left some of those scenes in the movie. I'm not
to sure about the rest of you, but they would've helped explain a lot. Yes,
I hope they do add them into the DVD version.

-Joe

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:09:36 EDT MTotsky@... writes:

> Well Rory, I never got around to picking up the Trundy issue for

myself.

> Hopefully someone else can help you out here.
>
> Matt (aka "That Guy")

I could use one too if anyone has an extra. Drop me a note at
lawford42@... if you can help and thanks!


Chris L.
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:11:33 -0700 "Jack Krueger"
<williejoe@...> writes:

> The "Conquest" novel by John Jakes insinuates that it takes place
> near San Franscisco, plus the TV show takes place in Northern Cal. so

that's

> where that comes from. I'd like to read Chris Lawless's chronology. I'd

> also like to know why Fox disallowed it. Because of their own

chronology ?

>
>
> - - - -
> Jeff

As I understood it, it had something to do with the same logic where they
wouldn't let Joe use any of the officially released publicity stills, or
sections from the original scripts, and so forth. But one can never be
too sure I suppose...


Chris L.
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Oh, yeah.  I thought that's what you meant.  I never read it -- I just looked
at the pictures.

-- Rory

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Click here: NFR Nominations

Hey Gang,

Why don't we really try to get the original "Planet of the Apes" on the
National Film Registry?   Click above and nominate it.

-- Rory

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  Bob Burns has a book out about "Bob's Basement". I also have a documentary he hosted about ape movies.

 

 

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:24 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Mark Altman

In a message dated 9/8/01 8:22:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
williejoe@... writes:

I liked Sci-Fi's QVC-type show "Sci-Fi Trader" where they sold autographed
books, etc. and included interviews. And "Sci-Fi Buzz", remember that? I
haven't watched the Channel in ages but those were the days.

                                                                         -
- - - Jeff

Yes, those were the days.  They baked PLANET a twentieth anniversary cake on
Sci-Fi Buzz, and I used to love visiting "Bob's Basement."

-- Rory

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In a message dated 9/30/01 3:59:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
lawford42@... writes:

<< I would like to nominate the original 1968 version of PLANET OF THE APES
for the National Film Registry, as I believe the film was very reflective
of the American social and political climate of the time. What sets this
film apart from others is that the political/social allegories are worked
into the film rather than forced upon the viewer. You have to think about
what you're seeing, and often the subtext becomes more apparent upon
repeated viewings. I believe these elements make PLANET OF THE APES
"culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" as your website
states.

I fully support any efforts that preserve American film heritage, and I
thank you for your time and consideration. >>

Nice.

And the short version (my version):

"I nominate Planet of the Apes because it rocks. Thank you."

Sincerely, Joe.

I can't help but wonder how successful Bon would be at keeping that little
girl out of Thade's niece's cage. And where the hell did Senator Nado get
the ice for his drink?

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Hey Ken

Did the US have to wait for the Terminator Special Edition or os this an even more special one than that released here about 6 months ago????

Michael



I know that this "Terminator" Special Edition was released in Europe about six months ago, so YES it's probably what was released in Auusieland, too.   GET IT!  If you're so inclined.

-- Rory, DVD Commander

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From: Alexander Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2001 10:17 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: DVD Releases

I can't wait for "Terminator", you lucky dog!                                                               - - - - Jeff

 

 

Your really going to like this DVD Jeff.

It's not presented in the grander scale as T2 Special Edition but it has just as much content in a more simple interactive menu. One of the features felt like it was about 2 hours long and they cover every little aspect towards the evolution of the film itself. Really AMAZING stuff. Cameron was living off of McDonald coupons when gearing up to T1, (he's sure come a long way since then) and it interviews everyone involved in the film, from the actors to the makers 15 years later.

 

It's great to see another great DVD release like this!

 

Best,

Al

 

 

 

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<< I really wish they would've left some of those scenes in the movie. I'm
not
to sure about the rest of you, but they would've helped explain a lot. Yes,
I hope they do add them into the DVD version. >>

I'm sure that would have, but no doubt Burton was desperately trying to keep
it at 2 hours. He must have felt those scenes didn't help in moving the
story along. Too bad he doesn't believe in director's cuts. Maybe he will
change his mind about that too.

In a message dated 9/30/01 12:29:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
prophecysite@... writes:

<< By the time it's all said and done it should reach as high as 350 to 375.

>>

Oh they'll have made a few bucks. The question is, will they be willing to
do the sequel? The second question is will it be better, or worse?

T

You sure are picking some obscure mistakes/inconsistencies.

You need to relax and stop re-watching that movie - I told you it would do
weird things to you!!!!! 12 is Biblical and it is enough. No more!!!!

Michael

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From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 7:15
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Random Thoughts


I can't help but wonder how successful Bon would be at keeping that little
girl out of Thade's niece's cage. And where the hell did Senator Nado get
the ice for his drink?

<< At least now they have plenty of time to think about a good sequel and
plenty of time to make it without being rushed. >>
What was the rush this time?
Please explain WTF you're talking about, Al?
Did it have to get made before the war started?
I don't think they had any inside info there.
They had thirty years to thik about this one.
Seriously for the last ten years and then once they
get the greenlight the pushed for a summer '01 release!
Now, what make you think they won't do the same thing?
They'll drag their feet scratching their heads and then rush it again!

I'm sure Burton has final cut by now but I think Fox would be pushing more
for a time limit. In the script it says that Attar is shocked by Karubi's
"nobility" and doesn't kill him; Thade comes by and finishes the job. In the
film Attar apparantly has no qualms about killing him. It's a "monster
moment", Burton has no concept of subtlety in villians, which is the
opposite of the original films. In that scene, the script was better than
the final film.

I think part of it is Burton likes to avoid dialogue. In the scene where
Leo and Daena arrive to free Karubi, the writers had Karubi ask "Who are
you?', etc. Burton filmed it just with facial expressions, which I thought
was a good moment. It's give and take on the small points.

- -
- Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA a victim of time bandits?


>
> << I really wish they would've left some of those scenes in the movie.
I'm
> not
> to sure about the rest of you, but they would've helped explain a lot.
Yes,
> I hope they do add them into the DVD version. >>
>
> I'm sure that would have, but no doubt Burton was desperately trying to
keep
> it at 2 hours. He must have felt those scenes didn't help in moving the
> story along. Too bad he doesn't believe in director's cuts. Maybe he
will
> change his mind about that too.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I think they will do the sequel because it's a bird in the hand. It's
shown there's an audience for it, and if it performed lower than hoped for
they can blame it on the movie, which it's no secret people were
disappointed with. Even Fox can figure that out. And filmmakers DO listen.
Anthony Daniels (C3PO) says the new "Star Wars" is much darker than "Episode
1" and Jar Jar is kept to a minimum because Lucas heard the fans.

Of course, that doesn't mean they won't come up with something else they
think is great and still disappoint. Great movies are accidents.

- - - -
Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Alex


> In a message dated 9/30/01 12:29:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
> prophecysite@... writes:
>
> << By the time it's all said and done it should reach as high as 350 to
375.
> >>
>
> Oh they'll have made a few bucks. The question is, will they be willing
to
> do the sequel? The second question is will it be better, or worse?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From what I understand, they were going to release Spielberg's "Minority
Report" as their big movie for 2001. At the last minute, Spielberg decided
to do "A.I." for Warners first, which left a hole in Fox's schedule. They
bumped up "Apes", announcing at ShoWest 2000 "Apes" would come out in 2001.
They didn't even have a script. Schedules rule the planet.

Someone said 2003 for the sequel. Again, that's a tight schedule. However,
I would grit my teeth and say it would be cool if they could make that, the
40th Anniversary of the book. Especially if they take their cue from the
film's ending and do a modern society. If it weren't for that I would say
don't even try, make it 2004.

-
- - Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:48 PM
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Sep 29 2001


>
> << At least now they have plenty of time to think about a good sequel and
> plenty of time to make it without being rushed. >>
> What was the rush this time?
> Please explain WTF you're talking about, Al?
> Did it have to get made before the war started?
> I don't think they had any inside info there.
> They had thirty years to thik about this one.
> Seriously for the last ten years and then once they
> get the greenlight the pushed for a summer '01 release!
> Now, what make you think they won't do the same thing?
> They'll drag their feet scratching their heads and then rush it again!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 9/30/01 3:59:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
lawford42@... writes:

<< I never got around to picking up the Trundy issue for myself. >>

Don't they have back issues?

I just made a trip to the mall to pick up the book.
It was sitting right next to Joe's book so of course I had to have that too.

Check this out. After Ari buries Krull's face with sand, and the screen
switches to show Attar standing over the grave, look down towards the bottom
left of the screen, and you'll notice that Krull's face isn't buried any
longer. Crazy.

-Joe

In a message dated 9/30/01 4:41:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I'm sure that would have, but no doubt Burton was desperately trying to
keep
it at 2 hours. He must have felt those scenes didn't help in moving the
story along. Too bad he doesn't believe in director's cuts. Maybe he will
change his mind about that too. >>

I don't know... I think they would've only added maybe 5 minutes extra, if
that. Oh well... we an only hope that it's in the DVD.

In a message dated 9/30/01 4:41:40 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< I'm sure that would have, but no doubt Burton was desperately trying to
keep
it at 2 hours. He must have felt those scenes didn't help in moving the
story along. Too bad he doesn't believe in director's cuts. Maybe he will
change his mind about that too. >>

I don't know... I think they would've only added maybe 5 minutes extra, if
that. Oh well... we an only hope that it's in the DVD.

-Joe (Bah, double E-mail)

Yeah, it's usually a good idea to say things with a look instead of making
the film too wordy. It is, after all, a visual medium. But I didn't pick up
on the Attar/Karubi eye exchange until I read it in the book, which is based
around the script. Attars internal struggle is kind of a tough to read
without knowing what to look for and little exposition.

<< Even Fox can figure that out. >>

I dunno Jeff.
I'd sure like to agree with you.
But Fox has proved time and again they are no brain-trust.
I'm sure there are some smart people there, and they may listen to them.
But then they go ahead and do whatever stupid thing the were going to do.
The new box is all the proof you need!

<< I don't know... I think they would've only added maybe 5 minutes extra,
if
that. Oh well... we an only hope that it's in the DVD. >>

Maybe it just didn't play well. Speaking of things that don't play
well...I'm glad they left in Heston's cameo. As much as I like Chuckles, the
film didn't really need it, but that's where I take any bathroom breaks I
might need. Sorry, Chuck!

I gotta say I really liked A.I.

Maybe I am going soft but I thought it was brilliant. There was a very
obvious Kubrick influence and it was a very Spielberg movie too. Lots of
people were reduced to tears.

It was chilling to see the 2 World Trade Centre buildings. Amazing, but
just like lady liberty in POTA, there is an assumption that such structures
will always be there.

I hope they are going to rebuild the twin towers.

Michael

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From what I understand, they were going to release Spielberg's "Minority
Report" as their big movie for 2001. At the last minute, Spielberg decided
to do "A.I." for Warners first, which left a hole in Fox's schedule. They
bumped up "Apes", announcing at ShoWest 2000 "Apes" would come out in 2001.
They didn't even have a script. Schedules rule the planet.

Someone said 2003 for the sequel. Again, that's a tight schedule. However,
I would grit my teeth and say it would be cool if they could make that, the
40th Anniversary of the book. Especially if they take their cue from the
film's ending and do a modern society. If it weren't for that I would say
don't even try, make it 2004.

-
- - Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 2:48 PM
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Sep 29 2001


>
> << At least now they have plenty of time to think about a good sequel and
> plenty of time to make it without being rushed. >>
> What was the rush this time?
> Please explain WTF you're talking about, Al?
> Did it have to get made before the war started?
> I don't think they had any inside info there.
> They had thirty years to thik about this one.
> Seriously for the last ten years and then once they
> get the greenlight the pushed for a summer '01 release!
> Now, what make you think they won't do the same thing?
> They'll drag their feet scratching their heads and then rush it again!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yeah - that's what amazes me about deleted scenes.....just leave them there
so we can buy popcorn and take a whizz!!!

You know how they have the dots at top roght to change reels? Well, maybe
there should be two dots in the top right hand corner for scenes that are
not necessary so we know to rush out.

Michael

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Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 9:14
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA a victim of time bandits?



<< I don't know... I think they would've only added maybe 5 minutes extra,
if
that. Oh well... we an only hope that it's in the DVD. >>

Maybe it just didn't play well. Speaking of things that don't play
well...I'm glad they left in Heston's cameo. As much as I like Chuckles,
the
film didn't really need it, but that's where I take any bathroom breaks I
might need. Sorry, Chuck!

Whoops - that should read:

You know how they have the dots at top right to change reels?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 9:34
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Time for a whizz.

Yeah - that's what amazes me about deleted scenes.....just leave them there
so we can buy popcorn and take a whizz!!!
You know how they have the dots at top roght to change reels? Well, maybe
there should be two dots in the top right hand corner for scenes that are
not necessary so we know to rush out.
Michael

.htmlIn a message dated 9/30/01 4:59:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

Is that the same chronology that (for BENEATH) they used a still from BATTLE showing Kolp and Alma with the Alpha-Omega bomb? The same scene that isn't even in the U.S. version of BATTLE? This has gotta be the same person who put the Statue of Liberty ending on the cover of PLANET.

Morons!


Chris L.

The people working at Fox Video just aren't knowledgeable APES' fans.  Twenty-three years ago I should have moved to California and tried to get a job with them, but I had no idea then that APES was in the kind of hands it's in.  At least the Aussies had Ken "Taylor!" (as if Nova were saying it).  As for the Statue of Liberty on the PLANET cover, I've talked about this before, but I was just thinking the other day that we really should blame the Fox of 1969-70.  I think it was a mistake to start BENEATH with the ending of PLANET.  That classic final image should only be seen at the end of the original.  But then, I don't think anyone had an idea PLANET was a classic back then; it was just one of Fox's bigger hits.

-- Rory

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