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It's awesome!  The documentary is fantastic, and just the whole
layout of the discs and the box is bloody good!

-ryan

Did you manage to find the 2 dvd set of the Behind documentary yet? It is twice as good as the one with the box set....Not only does it include the entire show that is on the dvd included with the movie box, but also the Nato feature, featurettes, and dailies (out takes, no audio on these though,) and the kicker, a very extensive interview with Roddy.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 11:25 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Something wierd in 1968 movie

  

"Wait: we don't want MARTYRS, do we?" Evidently, Ursus was not above killing
apes who were guilty of some sort of crime--if their city was under
Martial Law, then Ursus would be the absolute authority under that
law, and the chimp protest could be seen as a form of treason,
punishable by death

That make absolutly no sense what so ever!
Ape shall never kill Ape!  Unless they get in the way and start waving signs in my face, and then blast 'em!

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.htmlWell, there's one reason why POTA fans should like Christmas Day.  Rod Serling was born on this day in 1924.

Least we not forget.

Merry Christmas everybody!  I wonder if "Cheesegoatdudeboy" got his TV show boxed set for XMas?

-- Rory<.html

"Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...> wrote:

> So what happened to issues #'s 124-230?

There are none. "PotA & Dracula Lives" was a continuation of the PotA comic,
so kept the same numbering, all the way until the last issue, which was
number 123. The name changed but it was the same comic. Once this comic
finished, PotA continued as a story in Mighty World of Marvel, which was
already going at this point (and in fact had been going since before the
PotA comic). MWoM only changed its name to accomodate PotA's appearance
within its pages, but continued its own numbering rather than adopt that of
the now-defunct PotA comic.

Alan
PS Merry Christmas folks!

.html Hi Jeff,
Happy Xmas. A friend at Fox sent me a copy of the TV series DVD box set, but it was a screener version and not a finished set. Meaning it didn't have the booklet and it says "for screening purposes only" on each disc. So I don't know if the descriptions are the same. I doubt it. I advised a friend at the Fox L.A office that Australia had produced packaging materials for the TV series on VHS and all elements were sent to L.A but as I think I've mentioned before, the domestic and International offices at Fox were quite separate so I doubt the info or materials would have been either requested or passed on. Not exactly a priority release for Fox. Just a quickie to cash in on the hype of the movie.
Had I still been working at Fox when they were preparing the TV series DVDs I would have offered my services and supplied photos of TV series merchandise from my collection to create a some kind of gallery to show the extent of the merchandise that was created for a show that only ran 14 episodes.
Best,
KEN

veetus@... wrote:

  Ken - - -  Did you order the U.S. TV show DVDs? If so, what's your opinion? Are the episode descriptions the same as the Aussie VHS?                                                              - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

 Our dollar is only currently worth about 51 U.S cents. The local price for a DVD varies between AU$25 ( no features) to AU$45 ( for a double disc). The DVDs are replicated locally but from European 'masters' which often means that some special features featured on the U.S versions are sacrificed to make room for european text subtitles. Shrek was only a single disc release here. I buy most of my DVDs from Amazon in America as it often works out to be the same price as it would cost me locally. Plus it's generally sooner..for example POTA'01 isn't scheduled for a retail release ( generally Fox release 'vanilla' versions to rental first before a special ed. retail release) here until Easter next year. Speaking of which, a friend at Fox sent me the U.S version of POTA'01 for Xmas. The special features certainly make a shallow film more interesting, but I must admit I actually fell asleep during the Burton commentary...and I was watching in the afternoon!
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

 In a message dated 12/22/01 4:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
 
 

What I mean is that for what I am spending ($20 for VHS, $40 for DVD over here) I would need to get AT LEAST widescreen or the quality difference would not be worth the extra $20.

I have a DVD collection over around 350 movies and I know the only way these bastards will get me to spend my money again is to release "Super Deluxe Special Edition"s with more extras.  The studios know that too in case no one has noticed.

Michael
 

$40 for a DVD?!!   It that the average price?   It's around $20 here.  Isn't the Australian dollar tied to the U.S. dollar, or is your money worth less?  And are your DVDs domestic or all imports?

-- Rory

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.html Young Frankenstein is one of my favourite movies. The commentary by Brooks is funny . Not that he's particularly  funny, he keeps jumping around all over the place and keeps interrupting his own stories. The Doco is interesting.
Enjoy.
KEN

veetus@... wrote:

  Woopie! Someone gave me the DVD of "Young Frankenstein" for Christmas. Now
I can compare (and listen to the commentary) to see what they used in "The
Legacy" episode.

                                                     - - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: [pota] cool item on Ebay

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047770689
>
> This would have been a cool piece to own.
> Best,
> KEN
>
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Hope you all have a good one!
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

 Well, there's one reason why POTA fans should like Christmas Day.  Rod Serling was born on this day in 1924.

Least we not forget.

Merry Christmas everybody!  I wonder if "Cheesegoatdudeboy" got his TV show boxed set for XMas?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 12:22 PM

Subject: [pota] Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday!

Well, there's one reason why POTA fans should like Christmas Day.  Rod Serling was born on this day in 1924.

Least we not forget.

Merry Christmas everybody!  I wonder if "Cheesegoatdudeboy" got his TV show boxed set for XMas?

-- Rory

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Yeah, Merry Christmas. Apey New Year. And a better
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: "PotA" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA UK series


> "Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...> wrote:
> > So what happened to issues #'s 124-230?
>
> There are none. "PotA & Dracula Lives" was a continuation of the PotA
comic,
> so kept the same numbering, all the way until the last issue, which was
> number 123. The name changed but it was the same comic. Once this comic
> finished, PotA continued as a story in Mighty World of Marvel, which was
> already going at this point (and in fact had been going since before the
> PotA comic). MWoM only changed its name to accomodate PotA's appearance
> within its pages, but continued its own numbering rather than adopt that
of
> the now-defunct PotA comic.
>
> Alan
> PS Merry Christmas folks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

Hi Jeff,
Happy Xmas. A friend at Fox sent me a copy of the TV series DVD box set, but it was a screener version and not a finished set. Meaning it didn't have the booklet and it says "for screening purposes only" on each disc. So I don't know if the descriptions are the same. I doubt it. I advised a friend at the Fox L.A office that Australia had produced packaging materials for the TV series on VHS and all elements were sent to L.A but as I think I've mentioned before, the domestic and International offices at Fox were quite separate so I doubt the info or materials would have been either requested or passed on. Not exactly a priority release for Fox. Just a quickie to cash in on the hype of the movie.
Had I still been working at Fox when they were preparing the TV series DVDs I would have offered my services and supplied photos of TV series merchandise from my collection to create a some kind of gallery to show the extent of the merchandise that was created for a show that only ran 14 episodes.
Best,
KEN

veetus@... wrote:

  Ken - - -  Did you order the U.S. TV show DVDs? If so, what's your opinion? Are the episode descriptions the same as the Aussie VHS?                                                              - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

 Our dollar is only currently worth about 51 U.S cents. The local price for a DVD varies between AU$25 ( no features) to AU$45 ( for a double disc). The DVDs are replicated locally but from European 'masters' which often means that some special features featured on the U.S versions are sacrificed to make room for european text subtitles. Shrek was only a single disc release here. I buy most of my DVDs from Amazon in America as it often works out to be the same price as it would cost me locally. Plus it's generally sooner..for example POTA'01 isn't scheduled for a retail release ( generally Fox release 'vanilla' versions to rental first before a special ed. retail release) here until Easter next year. Speaking of which, a friend at Fox sent me the U.S version of POTA'01 for Xmas. The special features certainly make a shallow film more interesting, but I must admit I actually fell asleep during the Burton commentary...and I was watching in the afternoon!
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

 In a message dated 12/22/01 4:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
 
 

What I mean is that for what I am spending ($20 for VHS, $40 for DVD over here) I would need to get AT LEAST widescreen or the quality difference would not be worth the extra $20.

I have a DVD collection over around 350 movies and I know the only way these bastards will get me to spend my money again is to release "Super Deluxe Special Edition"s with more extras.  The studios know that too in case no one has noticed.

Michael
 

$40 for a DVD?!!   It that the average price?   It's around $20 here.  Isn't the Australian dollar tied to the U.S. dollar, or is your money worth less?  And are your DVDs domestic or all imports?

-- Rory

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Supposed to say "And a better world"...My best to all...all
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA UK series


> Yeah, Merry Christmas. Apey New Year. And a better
> - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> To: "PotA" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA UK series
>
>
> > "Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...> wrote:
> > > So what happened to issues #'s 124-230?
> >
> > There are none. "PotA & Dracula Lives" was a continuation of the PotA
> comic,
> > so kept the same numbering, all the way until the last issue, which was
> > number 123. The name changed but it was the same comic. Once this comic
> > finished, PotA continued as a story in Mighty World of Marvel, which was
> > already going at this point (and in fact had been going since before the
> > PotA comic). MWoM only changed its name to accomodate PotA's appearance
> > within its pages, but continued its own numbering rather than adopt that
> of
> > the now-defunct PotA comic.
> >
> > Alan
> > PS Merry Christmas folks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 12/25/01 2:23:24 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<<
Merry Christmas everybody! I wonder if "Cheesegoatdudeboy" got his TV show
boxed set for XMas?

-- Rory >>

NO! I didn't, but I got some other cool Apes stuff. The Re-Imagining book,
the 'newer' version of the Pierre Boulle novel (with the 2001 Ape on the
front), Dark Horse comic #3 and #4, and my grandma got me the VHS version of
2001 for some reason (bought used of course). Also, my friend says his
grandma has the Apes trash can and he can get it for me. I won't believe it
until I see it.

So, did anyone else get any Apes gifts besides Ryan and I?

(Hey, 'Joe' is much easier to type than 'Cheesegoatdudeboy'.)

-Joe

I forgot...

Merry Christmas to everyone. :)

-Joe

No "Ape" gifts for me (does a Christmas card from Natalie Trundy count?)
but everybody thinks I have everything (far from the truth). A used VHS
might make a good collectible. The trash can is from the
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday!


> In a message dated 12/25/01 2:23:24 PM Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> <<
> Merry Christmas everybody! I wonder if "Cheesegoatdudeboy" got his TV
show
> boxed set for XMas?
>
> -- Rory >>
>
> NO! I didn't, but I got some other cool Apes stuff. The Re-Imagining
book,
> the 'newer' version of the Pierre Boulle novel (with the 2001 Ape on the
> front), Dark Horse comic #3 and #4, and my grandma got me the VHS version
of
> 2001 for some reason (bought used of course). Also, my friend says his
> grandma has the Apes trash can and he can get it for me. I won't believe
it
> until I see it.
>
> So, did anyone else get any Apes gifts besides Ryan and I?
>
> (Hey, 'Joe' is much easier to type than 'Cheesegoatdudeboy'.)
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

This computer is making me feel like Porky Pig. "The trash can is
from...is from...is it from the old ones or the new one?" Th - th- th-
that's all folks! " .

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday!


> No "Ape" gifts for me (does a Christmas card from Natalie Trundy count?)
> but everybody thinks I have everything (far from the truth). A used VHS
> might make a good collectible. The trash can is from the
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday!
>
>
> > In a message dated 12/25/01 2:23:24 PM Central Standard Time,
> > Haristas@... writes:
> >
> > <<
> > Merry Christmas everybody! I wonder if "Cheesegoatdudeboy" got his TV
> show
> > boxed set for XMas?
> >
> > -- Rory >>
> >
> > NO! I didn't, but I got some other cool Apes stuff. The Re-Imagining
> book,
> > the 'newer' version of the Pierre Boulle novel (with the 2001 Ape on the
> > front), Dark Horse comic #3 and #4, and my grandma got me the VHS
version
> of
> > 2001 for some reason (bought used of course). Also, my friend says his
> > grandma has the Apes trash can and he can get it for me. I won't
believe
> it
> > until I see it.
> >
> > So, did anyone else get any Apes gifts besides Ryan and I?
> >
> > (Hey, 'Joe' is much easier to type than 'Cheesegoatdudeboy'.)
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 12/26/01 12:13:45 AM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< No "Ape" gifts for me (does a Christmas card from Natalie Trundy count?)
but everybody thinks I have everything (far from the truth). A used VHS
might make a good collectible. The trash can is from the
- - - Jeff

>>

...Is from the what? This VHS is weird. My friend rented the VHS a week ago
and his tape was black. My VHS tape is a weird bluish-green (or
greenish-blue) color.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/26/01 12:20:00 AM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

<< This computer is making me feel like Porky Pig. "The trash can is
from...is from...is it from the old ones or the new one?" Th - th- th-
that's all folks! " .

- - - - Jeff >>

Sorry, didn't see this message...

It's from the old one.

-Joe

I don't remember if this was brought up but check out
www.planetoftheapesonline.com . There's some great stuff on there, including
a message board with hilarious topics. A good place to go when things are
slow here. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: "PotA" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA UK series


> "Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...> wrote:
> > So what happened to issues #'s 124-230?
>
> There are none. "PotA & Dracula Lives" was a continuation of the PotA
comic,
> so kept the same numbering, all the way until the last issue, which was
> number 123. The name changed but it was the same comic. Once this comic
> finished, PotA continued as a story in Mighty World of Marvel, which was
> already going at this point (and in fact had been going since before the
> PotA comic). MWoM only changed its name to accomodate PotA's appearance
> within its pages, but continued its own numbering rather than adopt that
of
> the now-defunct PotA comic.
>
> Alan
> PS Merry Christmas folks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Here's a page that has quite a cross-section of review quotes for Burton's
movie (if the link works): www.rottentomatoes.com/movie-1108704 .

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: [pota] Interesting web site


> I don't remember if this was brought up but check out
> www.planetoftheapesonline.com . There's some great stuff on there,
including
> a message board with hilarious topics. A good place to go when things are
> slow here. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> To: "PotA" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA UK series
>
>
> > "Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...> wrote:
> > > So what happened to issues #'s 124-230?
> >
> > There are none. "PotA & Dracula Lives" was a continuation of the PotA
> comic,
> > so kept the same numbering, all the way until the last issue, which was
> > number 123. The name changed but it was the same comic. Once this comic
> > finished, PotA continued as a story in Mighty World of Marvel, which was
> > already going at this point (and in fact had been going since before the
> > PotA comic). MWoM only changed its name to accomodate PotA's appearance
> > within its pages, but continued its own numbering rather than adopt that
> of
> > the now-defunct PotA comic.
> >
> > Alan
> > PS Merry Christmas folks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Well, see, it wasn't a straight single run. The Planet of the Apes series,
which joined with Dracula Lives, was canceled as of 123. However, not
everything had been adapted, and so ofr issues 231-246 of the anthology
Mighty World of Marvel, they finished it out. The latter frequently
changed content, running a variety of U.S. strips. Hope that explains it...

>From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
>Subject: POTA UK series
>So what happened to issues #'s 124-230?
>> Sure -- here's the breakdown...
>> * Planet of the Apes #1-87
>> * Planet of the Apes and Dracula Lives #88-123
>> * Mighty World of Marvel Featuring Hulk and P.O.T.A. #231-246
>> Total: 139 issues between the three titles. In the course of those
>issues,
>> the entire U.S. series was reprinted, and some of the stories (mostly
>the
>> film adaptations) were reprinted twice.
>____

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 Here's a page that has quite a cross-section of review quotes for Burton's
movie (if the link works): www.rottentomatoes.com/movie-1108704 .

                                                          - - - Jeff

Yeah, those were pretty good, sad to say.  Anybody still hungry for a sequel?

-- Rory<.html

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I got POTA 2001 on DVD and the first thing I did was check out the
commentary, which is pretty interesting. Seems like he said, "well we
had budgetary constraints for this part soooo it could have been a
lot better..." a lot.

Again my impression of the film is it just seems hacked together and
the studio locales (especially in the hunt scene) made it seem
horribly small & claustrophobic. Despite this, there are elements I
still like. I guess for me, I knew when they picked Wahlberg for the
lead, they weren't going to try to make much more than an
entertaining action flick, so my expectations were real low.

One thing I noticed on the DVD is how tight all his shots are. No wonder
it reminds me so much of the TV show and that would account for the
claustrophobic feel.

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "danpiercy" <danpiercy@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 4:03 AM
Subject: [pota] Burton commentary


> I got POTA 2001 on DVD and the first thing I did was check out the
> commentary, which is pretty interesting. Seems like he said, "well we
> had budgetary constraints for this part soooo it could have been a
> lot better..." a lot.
>
> Again my impression of the film is it just seems hacked together and
> the studio locales (especially in the hunt scene) made it seem
> horribly small & claustrophobic. Despite this, there are elements I
> still like. I guess for me, I knew when they picked Wahlberg for the
> lead, they weren't going to try to make much more than an
> entertaining action flick, so my expectations were real low.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlHey you Aussie boys!!  What's this I'm hearing about Australia being on fire?   Has Whitty been playing with matches again?

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.html Hey you Aussie boys!!  What's this I'm hearing about Australia being on fire?   Has Whitty been playing with matches again?

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:48 PM

Subject: [pota] Hey Aussies (OT)!

Hi Rory and thanks for your concern.

 

The bushfires actually came to within a kilometre of my back yard.  A lot of my neighbours were evacuated.

 

In Sydney (about 3 1/2 hours drive North of me) things are REALLY bad.  Many homes have been lost - thankfully no lives yet.

 

Ken's place would be safe as he is in the city.  He is, however, visiting relatives at a rural property at the moment so I hope his drive was safe as well as the area he is in and his return trip.

 

We still got a lot of trees here in Oz so when things burn, they burn.  And yes, most of the fires are suspected to have been deliberately lit.

 

If they find the bastards, they will have their backs to the wall if they go to jail.

 

Michael

From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Friday, 28 December 2001 6:20

Hey you Aussie boys!!  What's this I'm hearing about Australia being on fire?   Has Whitty been playing with matches again?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:48 PM

Subject: [pota] Hey Aussies (OT)!

Hi Rory and thanks for your concern.

 

The bushfires actually came to within a kilometre of my back yard.  A lot of my neighbours were evacuated.

 

In Sydney (about 3 1/2 hours drive North of me) things are REALLY bad.  Many homes have been lost - thankfully no lives yet.

 

Ken's place would be safe as he is in the city.  He is, however, visiting relatives at a rural property at the moment so I hope his drive was safe as well as the area he is in and his return trip.

 

We still got a lot of trees here in Oz so when things burn, they burn.  And yes, most of the fires are suspected to have been deliberately lit.

 

If they find the bastards, they will have their backs to the wall if they go to jail.

 

Michael

From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Friday, 28 December 2001 6:20

Hey you Aussie boys!!  What's this I'm hearing about Australia being on fire?   Has Whitty been playing with matches again?

-- Rory

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  things sure would be quiet if we didn't have the assholes.

                                                            - - - Jeff


Yeah, we wouldn't have to hear ourselves fart!   Is that what you meant, Jeff?

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:17 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Hey Aussies (OT)!

In a message dated 12/27/01 5:18:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  things sure would be quiet if we didn't have the assholes.

                                                            - - - Jeff

Yeah, we wouldn't have to hear ourselves fart!   Is that what you meant, Jeff?

-- Rory

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In a message dated 12/26/01 4:25:35 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< Yeah, those were pretty good, sad to say. Anybody still hungry for a
sequel?

-- Rory

>>

I'm dying for one. ;)

-Joe

.htmlClick here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) - Planet of the Apes General Ursus Mask

Hey, this looks pretty cool.  Anyone ever seen this before?  This isn't an Apemania item, is it?

-- Rory <.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:45 PM

Subject: [pota] Check out eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) - Planet of the

Click here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) - Planet of the Apes General Ursus Mask

Hey, this looks pretty cool.  Anyone ever seen this before?  This isn't an Apemania item, is it?

-- Rory

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.html Click here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) - Planet of the Apes General Ursus Mask

Hey, this looks pretty cool.  Anyone ever seen this before?  This isn't an Apemania item, is it?

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Hi Kevin

I notice these items are heavily discunted now.

Can you tell me how I can buy them at the discounted price?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Winnik, Kevin [kwinnik@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2001 4:52
> To: 'pota@egroups.com'
> Subject: [pota] Tower Records goes ape for Tim Burton
>
>
>
> Tower Records targets Planet of the Apes
>
> May 31, 2001 - Sacramento, CA. Tower Records prepares for some serious
> monkey business this summer with the release of Tim Burton's re-imagined
> vision of Planet of the Apes. With a summer full of daring
> damsels and more
> dinos, Tower is making a stand for simian rights everywhere. Prepare for
> some exclusive primate products available only from Tower Records.
>
> First up is the bust of Attar, feared ape warrior, standing over an
> impressive 9" tall and sporting a classic snarl. This highly detailed
> sculpture is a collector's dream come true by not only being limited in
> production but to also have a retail of only $39.99. Each bust will come
> packaged in a beautifully illustrated collector's box featuring new movie
> artwork.
>
> Next is every snack lover's necessity, an Attar Ceramic Cookie Jar.
> This exclusive munchable hideaway stands over 12" tall and is
> over 11" wide.
> The jar has a removable helmet for easy access to cookies or bananas, you
> choose. Each jar will come packed in a collector's box and is limited but
> best of all, it will only retail for $39.99 each.
>
> Finally, for the simian who is on the go, Tower Records offers our
> exclusive lunchbox with thermos. Each sturdy metal box features exclusive
> artwork from the film as well as a thermos to carry hot or cold beverages.
> This limited edition lunchbox will be available for only $19.99 while
> supplies last.
>
> Each Planet of the Apes item listed will be exclusive to Tower
> Records and will be made available at all locations across the country as
> well as Tower's website, www.towerrecords.com.
>
> Tower Records has long been recognized throughout the world for its unique
> brand of retailing. Founded in 1960 in Sacramento, CA, the company's
> phenomenal expansion over the four decades has brought the Tower name and
> retail philosophy to eighteen countries globally: United States, Canada,
> England, Ireland, Scotland, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, China (Hong Kong),
> Mexico, Argentina, Israel, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, the
> Philippines,
> Columbia, and Ecuador. Tower Records owns and operates 183 stores
> worldwide
> with 61 franchise operations in seven countries. Tower also has
> an extensive
> online presence at TowerRecords.com.
>
> For more information or sample request contact:
>
> Kevin Winnik
> Director of Trends and Special Projects
> Tower Records
> 916-373-2500 ext. 3218
> <<attarbustfront.jpg>> <<attarjar.jpg>> <<attarjaropen.jpg>>
>
>
> Kevin Winnik
> Director of Trends and Special Projects
> Tower Records
> 916-373-2500 ext. 3218
> 815-364-1436 fax
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote:

> Saw it opening night, dress as JoeBo the Hobbit. Great movie,

and it went by

> quicker than I thought it would. The pace was quick, and there

weren't any

> slow parts. And I'm glad that they took that Tom Bombadil crap

out. It's

> basically 300 pages about a guy who's obviously tripping on

something.

>
> -Joe

You're confusing LORD OF THE RINGS with the Harvard
Lampoon spoof BORED OF THE RINGS--they changed "Tom
Bombadil" to "Tim Benzedrine", etc. And, hey, it ain't 300 pages
worth; it's only about 2 chapters or so. The fact that Sauron's ring
doesn't have ANY effect on him whatsoever is more than a little
hint that this Bombadil guy is more than he seems. I think that
Tolkien intended for us to conclude that Bombadil is an earthly
(or, "middle-earthly") manifestation of ERU, or ILUVATAR: the
"god" of his invented universe.
That's the impression I got, anyway, the 3rd or 4th time I read
LOTR.
Incidentally, despite the liberties this flick takes with its source,
it's a fantastic cinematic adaptation. At least we only have to wait
a year for the next movie!

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> > "Wait: we don't want MARTYRS, do we?" Evidently, Ursus

was not above

> > killing
> > apes who were guilty of some sort of crime--if their city was

under

> > Martial Law, then Ursus would be the absolute authority

under that

> > law, and the chimp protest could be seen as a form of

treason,

> > punishable by death
>
> That make absolutly no sense what so ever!
> Ape shall never kill Ape! Unless they get in the way and start

waving signs

> in my face, and then blast 'em!

Earlier in BENEATH, Ursus asks Zaius, 'What's more dangerous
than famine?"
The humans in "the jungle" have been "eating up [their] food
supplies in the forest" and "migrating to [the apes'] green belts
and ravaging their crops".
The ape civilization is facing a catastrophe of MASS
STARVATION. Ursus is preparing to lead his army out into the
"once-Forbidden Zone" in order to obtain "new, improved,
feeding grounds", because his people will STARVE TO DEATH
unless they can find more places to grow/acquire food.
It's a matter of LIFE and DEATH. Ursus has probably declared
MARTIAL LAW... and here is a bunch of "peace-niks" barring the
way out of Ape City, dead set on preventing Ursus' emergency
mission.
From Ursus' perspective, the behavior of the protesting
chimpanzees is TREASON. The penalty for treason (in most
countries, including the U.S.A. through most of its history) is
death (remember Zaius warning Cornelius that he'll "hang for
high treason" if he persists in pointing guns in his direction?).
Ursus having his soldiers machine-gun unarmed civilians may
be HARSH, granted; but if he believes their actions are no less
than treason, then harsh or not, it makes perfect sense to
someone with his "bully" personality.
Ask yourself how many average Americans think that that
dumbass who went over to Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban
should be shot as a traitor? Probably more than a few!

Just out of curiosity... the "Crocodile Hunter" dude isn't the type of
guy who lights his own farts, now, is he? After what happened to
Kenny in the SOUTH PARK movie, people should be a little more
careful with matches and with their own intestinal gases...

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Hi Rory and thanks for your concern.
>
> The bushfires actually came to within a kilometre of my back
yard. A lot of
> my neighbours were evacuated.
>
> In Sydney (about 3 1/2 hours drive North of me) things are
REALLY bad. Many
> homes have been lost - thankfully no lives yet.
>
> Ken's place would be safe as he is in the city. He is, however,
visiting
> relatives at a rural property at the moment so I hope his drive
was safe as
> well as the area he is in and his return trip.
>
> We still got a lot of trees here in Oz so when things burn, they
burn. And
> yes, most of the fires are suspected to have been deliberately
lit.
>
> If they find the bastards, they will have their backs to the wall if
they go
> to jail.
>
> Michael
>
> From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> Sent: Friday, 28 December 2001 6:20
>
>
> Hey you Aussie boys!! What's this I'm hearing about Australia
being on
> fire? Has Whitty been playing with matches again?
>
> -- Rory

I believe that is an Apemania piece. Looking at the tag it looks like
the Apemania logo in the hard to see upper right corner.

Andy

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Looks like one of Brian's but I am not sure.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2001 8:46
>
>
>
> Click here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) -
Planet of
> the Apes General Ursus Mask
>
> Hey, this looks pretty cool. Anyone ever seen this before? This
isn't an
> Apemania item, is it?
>
> -- Rory

An anonymous seller asked me to spread the word that they are offering
"Roddy #1", the famed outfit worn by Roddy McDowall throughout his ape
career. It's the one where the pocket was added for "Escape" so he could
conceal a gun. In the TV show it was Galen's outfit. The insert is vinyl and
you can't get a better look at it than watching the TV episodes on DVD,
there have been no alterations or modifications. It's the original Fox
prototype (hence the use of the vinyl insert instead of leather) with a Fox
label, not a Western Costume label.Has some sun fading but this is normal
for a costume of that age due to use of unstable dyes at the time. But this
is the real deal. Anyone who's interested can contact me at
veetus@... .
The costume comes with pants but no feet. Thanks.

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "andygarringer" <andygarringer@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:49 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Check out eBay item 1400686427


> I believe that is an Apemania piece. Looking at the tag it looks like
> the Apemania logo in the hard to see upper right corner.
>
> Andy
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Looks like one of Brian's but I am not sure.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> > Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2001 8:46
> >
> >
> >
> > Click here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) -
> Planet of
> > the Apes General Ursus Mask
> >
> > Hey, this looks pretty cool. Anyone ever seen this before? This
> isn't an
> > Apemania item, is it?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 12/31/2001 2:57:08 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

offering
"Roddy #1", 

Where's "Kim #1"?

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I took a peek at Weekly "Variety" to see how well POTA did. In the big
tussle with the dinos, it's currently the winner but not overall as we
thought. For the week of Dec. 14 - 20 POTA made $96, 922 (this is U.S.
theatres, not video) while "Jurassic Park 3" made $25, 190 . POTA's domestic
take overall is $179, 514, 481, it's international take is $178, 302, 073
for a combined worldwide of $357,816,554. Meanwhile JP3 had $181,171,875
domestic, $182,154,127 international and a rousing $363,326,002 worldwide.
Touche! "Lord of the Rings" has made $154.5 million domestic in what, 2
weeks? It's already almost caught up and I hear it's a better movie to boot.
Lesson learned this year: "FX pictures" (as Mr. Zanuck likes to call them)
can have interesting stories without scaring off the customers. The studios
have learned the right lesson this year, if only they'll listen.

Happy New Year to all and dust off those light sabers.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:59 PM
Subject: [pota] History for sale


> An anonymous seller asked me to spread the word that they are offering
> "Roddy #1", the famed outfit worn by Roddy McDowall throughout his ape
> career. It's the one where the pocket was added for "Escape" so he could
> conceal a gun. In the TV show it was Galen's outfit. The insert is vinyl
and
> you can't get a better look at it than watching the TV episodes on DVD,
> there have been no alterations or modifications. It's the original Fox
> prototype (hence the use of the vinyl insert instead of leather) with a
Fox
> label, not a Western Costume label.Has some sun fading but this is normal
> for a costume of that age due to use of unstable dyes at the time. But
this
> is the real deal. Anyone who's interested can contact me at
> veetus@... .
> The costume comes with pants but no feet. Thanks.
>
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "andygarringer" <andygarringer@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:49 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Check out eBay item 1400686427
>
>
> > I believe that is an Apemania piece. Looking at the tag it looks like
> > the Apemania logo in the hard to see upper right corner.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Looks like one of Brian's but I am not sure.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2001 8:46
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Click here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) -
> > Planet of
> > > the Apes General Ursus Mask
> > >
> > > Hey, this looks pretty cool. Anyone ever seen this before? This
> > isn't an
> > > Apemania item, is it?
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:45 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] History for sale

In a message dated 12/31/2001 2:57:08 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

offering
"Roddy #1", 

Where's "Kim #1"?

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/31/01 3:56:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

An anonymous seller asked me to spread the word that they are offering
"Roddy #1",  the famed outfit worn by Roddy McDowall throughout his ape
career. It's the one where the pocket was added for "Escape" so he could
conceal a gun. In the TV show it was Galen's outfit. The insert is vinyl and
you can't get a better look at it than watching the TV episodes on DVD,
there have been no alterations or modifications. It's the original Fox
prototype (hence the use of the vinyl insert instead of leather) with a Fox
label, not a Western Costume label.Has some sun fading but this is normal
for a costume of that age due to use of unstable dyes at the time. But this
is the real deal. Anyone who's interested can contact me at
veetus@... .
The costume comes with pants but no feet. Thanks.

                                                            - - - Jeff

I was watching the TV series this weekend and in "Tomorrow's Tide" I noticed that the outfit McDowall wore didn't match -- the tunic was a different shade of green than the pants and the shoes were yet a different shade, almost brown.  I find it hard to believe that McDowall wore the same complete costume from ESCAPE through to the TV series.  Perhaps the same tunic, but I doubt the rest.  Besides, Who Cares?!!!   It's only his outfit from the original film that's a real prize, made with real leather.  That's got to be worth thousands -- if it still exists.  It was probably worn by David Watson in BENEATH.  After that?  I can see the change from leather to vinyl in ESCAPE and that along with the change they made in Cornelius' hair styling, giving him a 'Zira' curl in the back, which also ended up being the gorillas' hair style for the rest of the series and TV show, really bugs me whenever I look at ESCAPE.

So, anyway. . . how much you think this guy thinks the outfit is worth -- not that I'm going to buy it.

-- Rory<.html

I saw Lord of the Rings last night and I agree Rory, it had incredible FX
and a great plot which was well transferred to script/screen.

Difference being, they took thier TIME to DO it PROPERLY (they thought about
what they MIGHT do with the POTA sequel for about a decade, but then rushed
the business end).

I categorise POTA 2001 with Independence Day (except, sadly, I thought the
latter was more entertaining) as being a quick money spinner with no real
thought given to plot holes or levels of believability - just make the bucks
and sell the merchandise.

I hope somehow somebody intervenes and shows the reverence towards the
future of POTA as was shown to Lord of the Rings. But I doubt it. LOTR is
more popular and the fans would have strung the bastards up had they ruined
it in filming. Fox knows there are not enough genuine ape fans to make
enough noise about their abortion. Shame that.

I was actually actively comparing LOTR to POTA 2001 for most of the movie
and it was very sad. The visuals in LOTR also shat all over what Burton
came up with.

Anyway, let's hope if they green light a sequel they attempt to go for a
record production time (I think this is currently held by Cleoparta - 3
years in the making??) rather than first day Box Office takings.

Michael (Happy 2002)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2002 11:23
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Reality check: POTA in theatres
>
>
> I took a peek at Weekly "Variety" to see how well POTA did. In the big
> tussle with the dinos, it's currently the winner but not overall as we
> thought. For the week of Dec. 14 - 20 POTA made $96, 922 (this is U.S.
> theatres, not video) while "Jurassic Park 3" made $25, 190 .
> POTA's domestic
> take overall is $179, 514, 481, it's international take is $178, 302, 073
> for a combined worldwide of $357,816,554. Meanwhile JP3 had $181,171,875
> domestic, $182,154,127 international and a rousing $363,326,002 worldwide.
> Touche! "Lord of the Rings" has made $154.5 million domestic in what, 2
> weeks? It's already almost caught up and I hear it's a better
> movie to boot.
> Lesson learned this year: "FX pictures" (as Mr. Zanuck likes to call them)
> can have interesting stories without scaring off the customers.
> The studios
> have learned the right lesson this year, if only they'll listen.
>
> Happy New Year to all and dust off those light sabers.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <veetus@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:59 PM
> Subject: [pota] History for sale
>
>
> > An anonymous seller asked me to spread the word that they are offering
> > "Roddy #1", the famed outfit worn by Roddy McDowall throughout his ape
> > career. It's the one where the pocket was added for "Escape" so he could
> > conceal a gun. In the TV show it was Galen's outfit. The insert is vinyl
> and
> > you can't get a better look at it than watching the TV episodes on DVD,
> > there have been no alterations or modifications. It's the original Fox
> > prototype (hence the use of the vinyl insert instead of leather) with a
> Fox
> > label, not a Western Costume label.Has some sun fading but this
> is normal
> > for a costume of that age due to use of unstable dyes at the time. But
> this
> > is the real deal. Anyone who's interested can contact me at
> > veetus@... .
> > The costume comes with pants but no feet. Thanks.
> >
> > - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "andygarringer" <andygarringer@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:49 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Check out eBay item 1400686427
> >
> >
> > > I believe that is an Apemania piece. Looking at the tag it looks like
> > > the Apemania logo in the hard to see upper right corner.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Looks like one of Brian's but I am not sure.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2001 8:46
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Click here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) -
> > > Planet of
> > > > the Apes General Ursus Mask
> > > >
> > > > Hey, this looks pretty cool. Anyone ever seen this before? This
> > > isn't an
> > > > Apemania item, is it?
> > > >
> > > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Patrick

No I don't think it was Dundee or the Croc Hunter, just some stupid kids.

I hope you guys don't think all (or ANY, really) Aussies are like that.
There are really very few bushies left.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Monday, 31 December 2001 2:47
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Hey Aussies (OT)!
>
>
> Just out of curiosity... the "Crocodile Hunter" dude isn't the type of
> guy who lights his own farts, now, is he? After what happened to
> Kenny in the SOUTH PARK movie, people should be a little more
> careful with matches and with their own intestinal gases...
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Rory and thanks for your concern.
> >
> > The bushfires actually came to within a kilometre of my back
> yard. A lot of
> > my neighbours were evacuated.
> >
> > In Sydney (about 3 1/2 hours drive North of me) things are
> REALLY bad. Many
> > homes have been lost - thankfully no lives yet.
> >
> > Ken's place would be safe as he is in the city. He is, however,
> visiting
> > relatives at a rural property at the moment so I hope his drive
> was safe as
> > well as the area he is in and his return trip.
> >
> > We still got a lot of trees here in Oz so when things burn, they
> burn. And
> > yes, most of the fires are suspected to have been deliberately
> lit.
> >
> > If they find the bastards, they will have their backs to the wall if
> they go
> > to jail.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, 28 December 2001 6:20
> >
> >
> > Hey you Aussie boys!! What's this I'm hearing about Australia
> being on
> > fire? Has Whitty been playing with matches again?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] History for sale

In a message dated 12/31/01 3:56:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

An anonymous seller asked me to spread the word that they are offering
"Roddy #1",  the famed outfit worn by Roddy McDowall throughout his ape
career. It's the one where the pocket was added for "Escape" so he could
conceal a gun. In the TV show it was Galen's outfit. The insert is vinyl and
you can't get a better look at it than watching the TV episodes on DVD,
there have been no alterations or modifications. It's the original Fox
prototype (hence the use of the vinyl insert instead of leather) with a Fox
label, not a Western Costume label.Has some sun fading but this is normal
for a costume of that age due to use of unstable dyes at the time. But this
is the real deal. Anyone who's interested can contact me at
veetus@... .
The costume comes with pants but no feet. Thanks.

                                                            - - - Jeff

I was watching the TV series this weekend and in "Tomorrow's Tide" I noticed that the outfit McDowall wore didn't match -- the tunic was a different shade of green than the pants and the shoes were yet a different shade, almost brown.  I find it hard to believe that McDowall wore the same complete costume from ESCAPE through to the TV series.  Perhaps the same tunic, but I doubt the rest.  Besides, Who Cares?!!!   It's only his outfit from the original film that's a real prize, made with real leather.  That's got to be worth thousands -- if it still exists.  It was probably worn by David Watson in BENEATH.  After that?  I can see the change from leather to vinyl in ESCAPE and that along with the change they made in Cornelius' hair styling, giving him a 'Zira' curl in the back, which also ended up being the gorillas' hair style for the rest of the series and TV show, really bugs me whenever I look at ESCAPE.

So, anyway. . . how much you think this guy thinks the outfit is worth -- not that I'm going to buy it.

-- Rory

<.html

Sorry, I've never heard of 'Bored of the Rings' so I don't really know what
you're talking about. Tom Bombadil is still a guy on crack to me.

-Joe

Howdy gang,
Happy new year.
I too saw Lord of the Rings and it made me cranky. I enjoyed the film ( although
I'm not a fan ) but like Michael I couldn't stop thinking while I was watching
it that POTA '01 should have at least half as good as LOTR. LOTR shows up
POTA'01 as the cheapie, thrown together Summer cash-in it was intended to be.
Best,
Ken...feeling even more ripped off than before.

Michael Whitty wrote:

> I saw Lord of the Rings last night and I agree Rory, it had incredible FX
> and a great plot which was well transferred to script/screen.
>
> Difference being, they took thier TIME to DO it PROPERLY (they thought about
> what they MIGHT do with the POTA sequel for about a decade, but then rushed
> the business end).
>
> I categorise POTA 2001 with Independence Day (except, sadly, I thought the
> latter was more entertaining) as being a quick money spinner with no real
> thought given to plot holes or levels of believability - just make the bucks
> and sell the merchandise.
>
> I hope somehow somebody intervenes and shows the reverence towards the
> future of POTA as was shown to Lord of the Rings. But I doubt it. LOTR is
> more popular and the fans would have strung the bastards up had they ruined
> it in filming. Fox knows there are not enough genuine ape fans to make
> enough noise about their abortion. Shame that.
>
> I was actually actively comparing LOTR to POTA 2001 for most of the movie
> and it was very sad. The visuals in LOTR also shat all over what Burton
> came up with.
>
> Anyway, let's hope if they green light a sequel they attempt to go for a
> record production time (I think this is currently held by Cleoparta - 3
> years in the making??) rather than first day Box Office takings.
>
> Michael (Happy 2002)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 January 2002 11:23
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] Reality check: POTA in theatres
> >
> >
> > I took a peek at Weekly "Variety" to see how well POTA did. In the big
> > tussle with the dinos, it's currently the winner but not overall as we
> > thought. For the week of Dec. 14 - 20 POTA made $96, 922 (this is U.S.
> > theatres, not video) while "Jurassic Park 3" made $25, 190 .
> > POTA's domestic
> > take overall is $179, 514, 481, it's international take is $178, 302, 073
> > for a combined worldwide of $357,816,554. Meanwhile JP3 had $181,171,875
> > domestic, $182,154,127 international and a rousing $363,326,002 worldwide.
> > Touche! "Lord of the Rings" has made $154.5 million domestic in what, 2
> > weeks? It's already almost caught up and I hear it's a better
> > movie to boot.
> > Lesson learned this year: "FX pictures" (as Mr. Zanuck likes to call them)
> > can have interesting stories without scaring off the customers.
> > The studios
> > have learned the right lesson this year, if only they'll listen.
> >
> > Happy New Year to all and dust off those light sabers.
> > - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:59 PM
> > Subject: [pota] History for sale
> >
> >
> > > An anonymous seller asked me to spread the word that they are offering
> > > "Roddy #1", the famed outfit worn by Roddy McDowall throughout his ape
> > > career. It's the one where the pocket was added for "Escape" so he could
> > > conceal a gun. In the TV show it was Galen's outfit. The insert is vinyl
> > and
> > > you can't get a better look at it than watching the TV episodes on DVD,
> > > there have been no alterations or modifications. It's the original Fox
> > > prototype (hence the use of the vinyl insert instead of leather) with a
> > Fox
> > > label, not a Western Costume label.Has some sun fading but this
> > is normal
> > > for a costume of that age due to use of unstable dyes at the time. But
> > this
> > > is the real deal. Anyone who's interested can contact me at
> > > veetus@... .
> > > The costume comes with pants but no feet. Thanks.
> > >
> > > - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "andygarringer" <andygarringer@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:49 AM
> > > Subject: [pota] Re: Check out eBay item 1400686427
> > >
> > >
> > > > I believe that is an Apemania piece. Looking at the tag it looks like
> > > > the Apemania logo in the hard to see upper right corner.
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Looks like one of Brian's but I am not sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Haristas@a... [Haristas@a...]
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2001 8:46
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Click here: eBay item 1400686427 (Ends Jan-02-02 08:40:23 PST ) -
> > > > Planet of
> > > > > the Apes General Ursus Mask
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, this looks pretty cool. Anyone ever seen this before? This
> > > > isn't an
> > > > > Apemania item, is it?
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Rory
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote:

> Sorry, I've never heard of 'Bored of the Rings' so I don't really know what
> you're talking about. Tom Bombadil is still a guy on crack to me.
>
> -Joe

Get your ass to a bookstore: PRONTO!
"Bored of the Rings" is probably the funniest book I've ever read.
Well, maybe not THE funniest... but it ranks up there in the top 25 or
so. BOTR was recently re-issued, probably to cash in on the LOTR movie
interest. Read it! You'll laugh your nuggets off.

-Patrick

.htmlIn a message dated 12/31/01 9:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Now see here, young man! For the record, this was the prototype for all the others, the leather ones were manufactured by Western Costume but the vinyl one was the original made by Fox. I didn't say it was the only one Roddy wore (he had about 9 in rotation for the first film) but it's unique, unique I say! And as far as I can tell, the top was the only one he wore in the TV show, as well as publicity (check out that sweet, cracking vinyl).

For you, Rory, he's willing to part with it for $10,000. That's a bargain but a limited time only.

                                                          - - - - Jeff




$10,000 dollars?   Is that all?  I better get out my check book.

I just watched the original again (In fact, last night the last movie of 2001 I watched was, what else?, 2001.  Then this morning the first movie of 2002 I watch is the original POTA.  Hopefully this'll be good luck for the new year.).  Anyway, The whatever you call it on McDowall's tunic is a nice brown leather.  You can see how much cheaper the vinyl looks starting in ESCAPE.   Fox made the leather ones, I would think -- I also noticed how much better the original gorilla leather jackets are from what you start seeing in the mass-produced vinyl knockoffs in BENEATH.

Anyway, enough about this.  None of us have $10,000 to spend on a stinky old ape suit.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 1/1/02 4:58:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

Howdy gang,
Happy new year.
I too saw Lord of the Rings and it made me cranky. I enjoyed the film ( although
I'm not a fan ) but like Michael I couldn't stop thinking while I was watching
it that POTA '01 should have at least half as good as LOTR. LOTR shows up
POTA'01 as the cheapie, thrown together Summer cash-in it was intended to be.
Best,
Ken...feeling even more ripped off than before.

It makes it hard to believe that Fox spent nearly $150 Million on the new APES!   Oh well, we've been through all this enough.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 1/1/02 8:48:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Get your ass to a bookstore: PRONTO!
"Bored of the Rings" is probably the funniest book I've ever read.
Well, maybe not THE funniest... but it ranks up there in the top 25 or
so. BOTR was recently re-issued, probably to cash in on the LOTR movie
interest. Read it! You'll laugh your nuggets off.

-Patrick

Joe only has fifteen-year-old nuggets.  Leave him alone -- he'll need them if he goes to college.

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:43 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] History for sale

In a message dated 12/31/01 9:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Now see here, young man! For the record, this was the prototype for all the others, the leather ones were manufactured by Western Costume but the vinyl one was the original made by Fox. I didn't say it was the only one Roddy wore (he had about 9 in rotation for the first film) but it's unique, unique I say! And as far as I can tell, the top was the only one he wore in the TV show, as well as publicity (check out that sweet, cracking vinyl).

For you, Rory, he's willing to part with it for $10,000. That's a bargain but a limited time only.

                                                          - - - - Jeff

$10,000 dollars?   Is that all?  I better get out my check book.

I just watched the original again (In fact, last night the last movie of 2001 I watched was, what else?, 2001.  Then this morning the first movie of 2002 I watch is the original POTA.  Hopefully this'll be good luck for the new year.).  Anyway, The whatever you call it on McDowall's tunic is a nice brown leather.  You can see how much cheaper the vinyl looks starting in ESCAPE.   Fox made the leather ones, I would think -- I also noticed how much better the original gorilla leather jackets are from what you start seeing in the mass-produced vinyl knockoffs in BENEATH.

Anyway, enough about this.  None of us have $10,000 to spend on a stinky old ape suit.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

I don't know if it will be Joe's cup of tea.

Do you like Shakespeare Joe? The writer I mean....

LOTR is far from boring. It is one of THE best yarns ever spun in the age
old tradition of storytelling. I have read the Hobbit (and I don't think
many new generations would be thrilled by its pace) and the trilogy. There
is much to be learned from how to adapt a fine story to the silver screen!!!
Trust me Joe, or go and find out yourself. I am almost positive you will
not be bored watching the movie.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2002 0:48
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: LOTR (OT)
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote:
> > Sorry, I've never heard of 'Bored of the Rings' so I don't
> really know what
> > you're talking about. Tom Bombadil is still a guy on crack to me.
> >
> > -Joe
>
> Get your ass to a bookstore: PRONTO!
> "Bored of the Rings" is probably the funniest book I've ever read.
> Well, maybe not THE funniest... but it ranks up there in the top 25 or
> so. BOTR was recently re-issued, probably to cash in on the LOTR movie
> interest. Read it! You'll laugh your nuggets off.
>
> -Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 1/1/02 1:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I too watched "2001" last night, though I haven't got the remastered DVD yet. Is it really that good?

It's not that much better than the old one, unless you have surround sound (the mix has been improved) and a 16X9 display, then the new one is a must.  The picture has slightly better color on the new version if you're watching it on a regular TV.

Now that 2001 has a 16X9 enhanced transfer for DVD, the original POTA has some catching up to do.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 1/1/02 7:48:41 AM Central Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

<< Get your ass to a bookstore: PRONTO!
"Bored of the Rings" is probably the funniest book I've ever read.
Well, maybe not THE funniest... but it ranks up there in the top 25 or
so. BOTR was recently re-issued, probably to cash in on the LOTR movie
interest. Read it! You'll laugh your nuggets off.

-Patrick >>

Sounds like a cool book. Thanks for telling me about it. I'll pick it up
soon. ;)

-Joe

In a message dated 1/1/02 9:47:45 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< Joe only has fifteen-year-old nuggets. Leave him alone -- he'll need them
if
he goes to college.

-- Rory

>>

That's 16, gramps. I'm sure yours fell off a long time ago.

-Joe

In a message dated 1/1/02 2:56:27 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< Do you like Shakespeare Joe? The writer I mean....

LOTR is far from boring. It is one of THE best yarns ever spun in the age
old tradition of storytelling. I have read the Hobbit (and I don't think
many new generations would be thrilled by its pace) and the trilogy. There
is much to be learned from how to adapt a fine story to the silver screen!!!
Trust me Joe, or go and find out yourself. I am almost positive you will
not be bored watching the movie.

Michael

>>

Well, I do like the books, but I'm not too fond of 'The Fellowship of the
Ring'. That book is too boring for my tastes. I'm not a big fan of
Shakespeare, and what movie are you talking about? I've seen LotR...

-Joe

In a message dated 1/1/02 2:56:27 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< LOTR is far from boring. >>

Some parts are, some parts aren't, for me, atleast. Like, I can't stand the
first 100 pages of The Fellowship, so whenever I read the books, I always
skip those pages.

-Joe

.htmlIn a message dated 1/1/02 6:07:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

That's 16, gramps.  I'm sure yours fell off a long time ago.

Sweet 16.  Isn't that cute?  Doesn't that make you misty?  Get back to your school work and stop thinking about my nuggets, sonny!  And get the TV series on DVD already, you Cheesegoat you!<.html

In a message dated 1/1/02 5:10:47 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<< And get the TV series
on DVD already, you Cheesegoat you! >>

I was talking to Loc about this last night. I'll be getting it soon, since
my grandma gave me 100 bucks for Christmas. Woo-hoo!

-Joe

.htmlIn a message dated 1/1/02 6:15:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:

<< And get the TV series
on DVD already, you Cheesegoat you! >>

I was talking to Loc about this last night.  I'll be getting it soon, since
my grandma gave me 100 bucks for Christmas.  Woo-hoo!

Very good, Joe, old boy!<.html

Since this is now unofficially a "Lord of the Rings" group I was wondering
who was familiar with the proud LOTR tradition in POTA. Director Peter
Jackson was going to do POTA with Roddy...The Terry Hayes script for Oliver
Stone was chock full of refs, including naming the location Middle Earth and
calling the good ape Stryder and the human friend of our hero Aragorn (both
names refer to the same character in LOTR). And in an early issue of the
Adventure POTA comics, "The Hobbit" is read. Apparently both POTA and LOTR
are faves of some of our stellar folk. And now both movies came out the same
year, despite long developments. And both had perhaps their greatest
popularity during the '60's counterculture. Makes me misty, indeed! Rock
on!

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] LOTR (OT)


> In a message dated 1/1/02 2:56:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << Do you like Shakespeare Joe? The writer I mean....
>
> LOTR is far from boring. It is one of THE best yarns ever spun in the
age
> old tradition of storytelling. I have read the Hobbit (and I don't think
> many new generations would be thrilled by its pace) and the trilogy.
There
> is much to be learned from how to adapt a fine story to the silver
screen!!!
> Trust me Joe, or go and find out yourself. I am almost positive you will
> not be bored watching the movie.
>
> Michael
> >>
>
> Well, I do like the books, but I'm not too fond of 'The Fellowship of the
> Ring'. That book is too boring for my tastes. I'm not a big fan of
> Shakespeare, and what movie are you talking about? I've seen LotR...
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 12/31/2001 7:27:15 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

the change from leather to vinyl in ESCAPE and that along with the change they made in Cornelius' hair styling, giving him a 'Zira' curl in the back, which also ended up being the gorillas' hair style for the rest of the series and TV show, really bugs me whenever I look at ESCAPE.

It make sense if you think about it.  The astronauts didn't get shaves and haircuts when they were in stases.  And there wasn't any reason to cut it when they landed.  It was the 70's!<.html

Earlier I mentioned the "Lord of the Rings" references in Terry Hayes'
POTA script for Oliver Stone. Tonight I was listening to my favorite radio
host, L.A.'s Jim Ladd, and he played a set of Led Zepplin songs that relate
to "Lord of the Rings". In the POTA script the main character (to have been
played by Ah-nuld) was named Robert Plant (like the Led Zep singer). I
thought those choices were random, I didn't know the Zep was into LOTR. I
guess Hayes is a true Led Zep fan to know that stuff. The Ah-nuld character
is also called Will Robinson (as in "Lost in Space") but I haven't figured
out the connection there.
Who cares? I dunno, I just thought I'd throw that out there with all the
LOTR talk. By the way, the Zep songs are: "The Immigrant Song", "Misty
Mountain Hop", "Ramble On", and "The Battle of Evermore". Thanks for your
attention. Peace.

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: [pota] LOTR meets POTA


> Since this is now unofficially a "Lord of the Rings" group I was
wondering
> who was familiar with the proud LOTR tradition in POTA. Director Peter
> Jackson was going to do POTA with Roddy...The Terry Hayes script for
Oliver
> Stone was chock full of refs, including naming the location Middle Earth
and
> calling the good ape Stryder and the human friend of our hero Aragorn
(both
> names refer to the same character in LOTR). And in an early issue of the
> Adventure POTA comics, "The Hobbit" is read. Apparently both POTA and LOTR
> are faves of some of our stellar folk. And now both movies came out the
same
> year, despite long developments. And both had perhaps their greatest
> popularity during the '60's counterculture. Makes me misty, indeed! Rock
> on!
>
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] LOTR (OT)
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> > In a message dated 1/1/02 2:56:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> > whitty@... writes:
> >
> > << Do you like Shakespeare Joe? The writer I mean....
> >
> > LOTR is far from boring. It is one of THE best yarns ever spun in the
> age
> > old tradition of storytelling. I have read the Hobbit (and I don't
think
> > many new generations would be thrilled by its pace) and the trilogy.
> There
> > is much to be learned from how to adapt a fine story to the silver
> screen!!!
> > Trust me Joe, or go and find out yourself. I am almost positive you
will
> > not be bored watching the movie.
> >
> > Michael
> > >>
> >
> > Well, I do like the books, but I'm not too fond of 'The Fellowship of
the
> > Ring'. That book is too boring for my tastes. I'm not a big fan of
> > Shakespeare, and what movie are you talking about? I've seen LotR...
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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I wonder if Paula will be willing to sell a Kim by the time I have enough
money to make her interested in selling one. I'd consider Apemania, but the
weave on the hobble skirt is all wrong. I asked Brian about that and he said
it's as close as they could get with fabric presently available. I believe
that Kim # 1 is currently on display in a Canadian Planet Hollywood -Toronto
or Quebec, I think. Anyone know?

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For the record, this was the prototype for all the others, the leather ones were manufactured by Western Costume but the vinyl one was the original made by Fox.

The amazing thing about Kim # 1 is the color.  Kim # 2 and even Roddy #1 hasn't got the richness of color it has.  It even dificult to discribe it.  It sort of a cross between Avacado, Olive, Artichoke and Jade. You might find something close on a Pantone PMS color chart.  But it changes with the light, and you can see browns and even orange in it.<.html

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didn't know the Zep was into LOTR.

Whaddaya kiddin' me?

And Gollum and the bla bla bla.
Zep like to say that their music isn't LOTR influenced, but it's right there in the lyrics.  Who are they kidding?  I'll have to check the script but I don't think the Hayes character was namend Robert Plant.

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.htmlSo, where has everyone in the group gone?  Somewhere in the universe you must all still be around.  Maybe those in Australia have succumbed to the smoke.

Anyway, I'm sure it won't surprise anyone that Mlccougar has left the group again.  He I.M.ed me the other day to tell me how bored he is with it all.  Well, there has to be some lull in POTA fandom.  There's nothing really going on.

One thing I was arguing with cougar about the other night is whether or not BENEATH is a mess of a movie.  I know this is ancient history, but I believe the movie is a half-baked mess.  Cougar disagrees, though he thinks Franciscus was a poor Heston standin.  I have no problems with Franciscus.  Mine are all with the script.

Anyway, what's the consensus here?   BENEATH: A mess.  Yes or No?

In a related matter. . . . Last night I watched 1971's "The Andromeda Strain."  I noticed for the first time that ninety minutes into the movie a helicopter flies over Red Rock Canyon, over the very spot where the gorilla army marches in the desert in BENEATH.  You get a good view of what the area looks like, and the helicopter then lands and you see more of the canyon.

-- Rory<.html

Hey Rory (and everyone else),

I'm still here! I have a few topic starters that I want to throw out there, but I just haven't gotten around to it. I guess that's my New Year's resolution.

Anyways, I do agree with you Rory, BENEATH is a mess. I've always felt that way. If it wasn't for BATTLE being so lame, BENEATH would be the turkey of the lot. I think BENEATH is more of a mess than POTA 2001.

Despite that, BENEATH is probably the most entertaining mess of a movie ever made. There's a lot going on there. I do enjoy it, even though it makes me cringe at times (the Prayer to the Bomb scene is corny beyond belief). And it is the first movie to ever scare the crap out of me. I was pretty young when I first saw the mutant reveal scene on TV. It freaked me out.

Again Rory, I agree with you about the script. It is the main thing wrong with the movie. Franciscus is OK, but no Heston. Really I blame a lot of what's wrong with BENEATH on Heston. If he would have agreed to star in the sequel rather than do a glorified cameo, they probably could have come up with something much better.

Matt (back from the Forbidden Zone)

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:33 AM

Subject: [pota] Me ego's squashed! I feel lonely.

So, where has everyone in the group gone?  Somewhere in the universe you must all still be around.  Maybe those in Australia have succumbed to the smoke.

Anyway, I'm sure it won't surprise anyone that Mlccougar has left the group again.  He I.M.ed me the other day to tell me how bored he is with it all.  Well, there has to be some lull in POTA fandom.  There's nothing really going on.

One thing I was arguing with cougar about the other night is whether or not BENEATH is a mess of a movie.  I know this is ancient history, but I believe the movie is a half-baked mess.  Cougar disagrees, though he thinks Franciscus was a poor Heston standin.  I have no problems with Franciscus.  Mine are all with the script.

Anyway, what's the consensus here?   BENEATH: A mess.  Yes or No?

In a related matter. . . . Last night I watched 1971's "The Andromeda Strain."  I noticed for the first time that ninety minutes into the movie a helicopter flies over Red Rock Canyon, over the very spot where the gorilla army marches in the desert in BENEATH.  You get a good view of what the area looks like, and the helicopter then lands and you see more of the canyon.

-- Rory

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"M'Totsky" (whoever) is absolutely right when he blames Heston for
BENEATH's flaws. Heston COULD have said, "Listen, Dick [Zanuck], you
ponied up the dough for PLANET, and it's a smash, and I know you guys
feel you HAVE to make a sequel. I don't think any sequel can do
justice to the original. However... IF you can come up with a boffo
script that tells a great story and somehow DOES do justice to APES
#1... THEN I'll gladly do it..."
Or something along those lines.
Having said that, let me say here that GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS that Mort
Abrahams (et al.) had to work with, having to 'work around' Heston's
willingness to appear ONLY in a glorified cameo, they ended up making
a movie that--despite its flaws--is still a terrific film. Even
Maurice Evans (and at least one of its original reviewers) thought
that BENEATH was in some ways SUPERIOR to the original movie.
Do I think BENEATH is better than PLANET? Well, no, for obvious
reasons. BUT it IS a movie that packs quite a punch. I was about seven
years old when it first aired on TV, and as much as PLANET riveted me
to the screen, BENEATH gripped me even more. The mutant "Mass of the
Bomb" sequence made going to (or, being forced to go to) church quite
a surreal experience for me as a kid--I half expected the entire
congregation to peel off latex masks and expose their 'Gray's Anatomy'
mutant features!
In PLANET, we had a big hunt scene. In BENEATH we have the gorilla
army mowing down obviously non-animal, robe-garbed humans in the
'streets' of their underground city. When Brent gets blasted with
machinegun fire, it amazes me that the flick was rated G. Nowadays,
it'd be lucky to get a PG rating for that kind of explicit violence.
The 'crucified gorillas' scene, too, was quite a stunner. Lately, I'm
reminded of the footage of a US soldier's corpse being dragged through
the streets of Mogadishu for a similar use of visual propaganda,
intended to horrify the 'enemy'.
Eric Greene's book, PLANET OF THE APES AS AMERICAN MYTH, goes into a
lot of great detail explaining many of the relevant contemporary
themes that BENEATH addressed for its 1969/1970 audience. The
"doomsday bomb" destruction of the world--regardless of the reason it
was given this ending--still gets people talking; in Eric Greene's
book, he calls it a "racial apocalypse"--the perhaps inevitable
outcome of escalating trends in racial hatred/war/genocide.
Is BENEATH truly a "mess" as some seem to think? Structurally, it has
problems--all due to the fact that the screenwriter had to work around
the Heston-minimal-participation thing. At the crux of it, though,
they basically had to get a new protagonist (Brent) into an awareness
of the Ape culture (which has undergone a shift since the ending of
PLANET, with Ursus having taken power and gotten the 'war machine'
ready for an invasion) and then have him exposed to the Mutant culture
prior to the clash of those two forces. The Mutant culture is the
center of BENEATH, which--like PLANET--is, at heart, a satire. As L.
Ron Hubbard said in his intro to the 1st volume of his "MISSION EARTH"
dekalogy ("The Invaders Plan"), satire--in the Chinese language--is
more literally translated from the chinese language as "laughter with
knives". The "Mass of the Bomb" IS laughable... but the laughter is a
nervous sort of laughter. Imagine how the Pope (and other Catholics)
reacted to seeing St. Patrick's Cathedral being used two millennia in
the future as the site where "the instrument of [the Mutants'] God" is
worshipped. The ceremony presided over by Mendez XXVI is a vicious
parody of a Catholic Mass, intended to show--in a way--that the
'official Church' [or 'churches'] of OUR society had somehow been
complicit in the Cold War society's mentality which justified the
construction of thousands of nuclear bombs (in an "arms race") which--
if used--could ONLY result in the total annihilation of our own
civilization. Mendez XXVI's society WORSHIPS the bomb; our own society
seemed to have a similar (if less blatant) opinion: Mendez refers to
the Alpha Omega bomb as "a holy weapon of peace", whereas we have
given the name "peacekeeper" to a class of missiles.
Sorta like "destroying the village in order to save it"!
Yeah, BENEATH could have been better; there isn't as much of Zira &
Cornelius in it as there could have been--though they DO contribute
just what the film's plot requires them to. Brent could have been
given more depth than he had (in contrast to Taylor, whose personality
is integral to the plot of PLANET). But, again, had Heston been
willing to devote himself to STARRING in a sequel (pending script
approval), rather than just appearing briefly, the Brent-shortcomings
would not be an issue.
All 5 films have flaws (I have yet to see ANY movie that is absolutely
perfect--and the sci-fi genre is more prone to flaws than other types
do to the 'science' part of the equation--if the Science is a mess,
than the 'suspension of disbelief' just isn't there); I think we tend
to notice BENEATH's flaws more because Heston (who STARRED in the 1st
flick) is IN this sequel... but only for a little bit at the beginning
and a little bit more at the ending. This flaw is so OBVIOUS that we
tend to notice it more, I think.
I hate to be one of those guys who rate the 5 films in order of "best
to worst" since I love 'em all, despite their flaws. Let me just say
that although they ALL had an effect on me, BENEATH had the most
profound and shocking effect on me when I first saw it... and for
YEARS afterward. Not that this makes it the "best" of the APES films
(I won't play that game), but it does make it (for me) the most
intense.

> I'd say yes, "Beneath" is a mess and is probably the "Apes" movie that reminds me the most of Burton's flick (though as I said Burton's opus is more like the TV show). The "Beneath" script is half-baked but has some cool visuals but is also mostly a retread of the original. And hey, doesn't that describe Burton's effort to a tee? The whole isn't greater than the sum of it's parts.
>
> As for Cougar, I don't see the point. It's not like this is a subscription service. This group doesn't get more interesting if you don't belong to it. It's like with Alex, some people just enjoy quitting things I guess. Why don't they just stick around and enjoy the good with the boring?
>
> - - - Jeff
>

> One thing I was arguing with cougar about the other night is whether or not BENEATH is a mess of a movie. I know this is ancient history, but I believe the movie is a half-baked mess. Cougar disagrees, though he thinks Franciscus was a poor Heston standin. I have no problems with Franciscus. Mine are all with the script.
>
> Anyway, what's the consensus here? BENEATH: A mess. Yes or No?
>
> In a related matter. . . . Last night I watched 1971's "The Andromeda Strain." I noticed for the first time that ninety minutes into the movie a helicopter flies over Red Rock Canyon, over the very spot where the gorilla army marches in the desert in BENEATH. You get a good view of what the area looks like, and the helicopter then lands and you see more of the canyon.
>
> -- Rory
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Service.

Yeah, It's kind of funny to look back now at Heston's egotistical theory that killing him off ( and the world) would end the Planet of the Apes. The audience wanted more...and more. Remember what they say about wishing too hard for what you want....
Best,
KEN

What a lot of silly mistakes.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken & Heather Taylor [kentaylor@...]
> Sent: Friday, 4 January 2002 17:10
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] just when you thought we'd picked it to pieces....
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I agree...Beneath wasn't that bad. It certainly no Battle. In a way it's
like Conquest. They both suffer from some crap looking apes. They're both
built around a race war. Boy! Burton's Apes doe fit nicely in here doesn't
it. But I thought the Bomb worship song was down right creepy. And not
unlike today's Doomsday cults. What was laughable was the Wurlitzer organ
sound effect whenever they used their mind control. That's King Ghidora's
voice! I was nine when it came out and being in the midst of the cold war,
and movies where the world blew up had a profound effect on me, even comedies
like Dr. Strangelove, when Slim Pickens rode that H-bomb.
Of course Linda Harrison liked it . . . She finally got a line. And Evans
had more lines than ever. To this day Kim didn't care much for it, but she
had fewer scenes than Heston, so she did it anyway. The upside-down
crucified gorillas were effective, but could have been more so if they'd done
some full body burns, instead of that cheap fire effect. Trying to keep that
G rating has been an albatross around the neck of ape films from the
beginning. It turned them into the Matinee Serial Stuff that they were
trying not to be when they were first shopping the idea to the studios. Sure
they need the big audiences to offset the budgets on SF films. But I believe
that the Alien pictures had respectable numbers at the box-office. I'd like
to do an Apes film with as much sex and violence as possible. Not only might
the critics take it seriously but the Ewoks factor will be nil. Thank God
Burton didn't use the spider monkeys!

.htmlIn a message dated 1/3/02 9:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

I hate to be one of those guys who rate the 5 films in order of "best
to worst" since I love 'em all, despite their flaws. Let me just say
that although they ALL had an effect on me, BENEATH had the most
profound and shocking effect on me when I first saw it... and for
YEARS afterward. Not that this makes it the "best" of the APES films
(I won't play that game), but it does make it (for me) the most
intense.

Yeah, Joe Russo, too, has this great love of BENEATH that lets him forgive all of its flaws.  But for me, I was 8 when I first saw PLANET and that was the most intense movie for me.  By the time BENEATH came out I was almost 11, and so right from the very first I could see that BENEATH wasn't as good as PLANET.  Also, I very much like that PLANET is mostly a 'misanthrope's misadventure' with Heston being this very strong presence.  He really did cripple BENEATH before one frame was shot.

-- Rory<.html

"patrickmichaeltilton" wrote a thoughtful and intelligent commentary
about BENEATH. BENEATH was the first of the Apes movies that I ever
saw. I was relatively young, and it was a bit too bold for my
liking. I thought it was ugly and didn't get the point. If I had
seen the first Apes movie, I may have felt differently. I did see
RETURN when it came out, and LOVED the story. I didn't become an
Apes appreciator until years later, really.

I'm not a sci-fi scholar by any means. This year we've chosen to
take a look at cult science fiction in our art and literature
programs. We began with the Asimov Robot Books and are concentrating
now on Apes. This will be the main focus of our program. The great
news is that the Apes movies are so DEEP, superficially. The
characters are LIKEABLE. The violence is COMIC-LIKE, so although
heavy it is quite watchable. There is an obvious SOCIAL STATEMENT.
They include fine elements of SCIENCE FICTION. We are HUGE Apes
fans.

BENEATH is wonderful material to work with. While the other Apes
movies are Platonian in a way and make for excellent social
discussion, BENEATH is the best (or at least the easiest and most
obvious) example of the social/cultural condition of mankind at the
time of their popularity. Not as watchable, really, but excellent
discussion (as you will note by the length of time and amount of
space recently devoted to this topic in recent weeks.)

Actually there's some interesting developments on DVD re: ratings. For
big movies like "Pearl Harbor" and "Lord of the Rings" (and "Apes") the
studios insist on a PG-13 rating. Some blame that on the watered down feel
of Burton's film. But both "Pearl Harbor" and "Rings" are coming out with
darker, more violent versions on DVD, more like the directors' intention.
DVD frees up the film maker to say, "Let's film it, we can put it on the
DVD". Studios can relate to that, another demographic to buy a DVD. If there
were DVDs at the time of "Conquest" maybe we would have both the theatrical
and director's version.



- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Me ego's squashed! I feel lonely.


>
>
> I agree...Beneath wasn't that bad. It certainly no Battle. In a way
it's
> like Conquest. They both suffer from some crap looking apes. They're
both
> built around a race war. Boy! Burton's Apes doe fit nicely in here
doesn't
> it. But I thought the Bomb worship song was down right creepy. And not
> unlike today's Doomsday cults. What was laughable was the Wurlitzer organ
> sound effect whenever they used their mind control. That's King Ghidora's
> voice! I was nine when it came out and being in the midst of the cold
war,
> and movies where the world blew up had a profound effect on me, even
comedies
> like Dr. Strangelove, when Slim Pickens rode that H-bomb.
> Of course Linda Harrison liked it . . . She finally got a line. And Evans
> had more lines than ever. To this day Kim didn't care much for it, but
she
> had fewer scenes than Heston, so she did it anyway. The upside-down
> crucified gorillas were effective, but could have been more so if they'd
done
> some full body burns, instead of that cheap fire effect. Trying to keep
that
> G rating has been an albatross around the neck of ape films from the
> beginning. It turned them into the Matinee Serial Stuff that they were
> trying not to be when they were first shopping the idea to the studios.
Sure
> they need the big audiences to offset the budgets on SF films. But I
believe
> that the Alien pictures had respectable numbers at the box-office. I'd
like
> to do an Apes film with as much sex and violence as possible. Not only
might
> the critics take it seriously but the Ewoks factor will be nil. Thank God
> Burton didn't use the spider monkeys!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:06 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Me ego's squashed! I feel lonely.

In a message dated 1/3/02 9:56:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

I hate to be one of those guys who rate the 5 films in order of "best
to worst" since I love 'em all, despite their flaws. Let me just say
that although they ALL had an effect on me, BENEATH had the most
profound and shocking effect on me when I first saw it... and for
YEARS afterward. Not that this makes it the "best" of the APES films
(I won't play that game), but it does make it (for me) the most
intense.

Yeah, Joe Russo, too, has this great love of BENEATH that lets him forgive all of its flaws.  But for me, I was 8 when I first saw PLANET and that was the most intense movie for me.  By the time BENEATH came out I was almost 11, and so right from the very first I could see that BENEATH wasn't as good as PLANET.  Also, I very much like that PLANET is mostly a 'misanthrope's misadventure' with Heston being this very strong presence.  He really did cripple BENEATH before one frame was shot.

-- Rory

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How is the TV series doing on DVD?

I love the damn thing. I am so glad it's out.

More later...

Matt

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:

> that although they ALL had an effect on me, BENEATH had the most
> profound and shocking effect on me when I first saw it... and for
> YEARS afterward.

me:

this is definetly true for me as well. as a kid, Ursus & the gorilla
war machine, the underground taverns, the mysterious disappearance of
Taylor and the mutants were so damn cool. also as a kid who was into
playing war, I think the added violence kind of appealed to me (is it
bad to admit that?) as well. I also loved the ending, it's so final.
It's my least favorite now.

.htmlIn a message dated 1/4/02 10:53:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I'm not a sci-fi scholar by any means.  This year we've chosen to
take a look at cult science fiction in our art and literature
programs.  We began with the Asimov Robot Books and are concentrating
now on Apes.  This will be the main focus of our program.  The great
news is that the Apes movies are so DEEP, superficially.  The
characters are LIKEABLE.  The violence is COMIC-LIKE, so although
heavy it is quite watchable. There is an obvious SOCIAL STATEMENT.  
They include fine elements of SCIENCE FICTION.  We are HUGE Apes
fans.  

You might want to take note of the amount of guns and gun fire in all the films.  They're definately AMERICAN movies.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 1/4/02 1:00:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Let's face it, we are what we watch when we're little. The first one I saw was "Escape" so I'm very forgiving of it's flaws too. Most feel it's the best sequel but I even like it better than the original. I  saw the TV show early too, so I like it better than most do. Childhood rules!

                                                            - - - Jeff



If I'd seen one of the sequels first when I was around 7 to 10 years old, I'd probably like that one best too.  I do agree that ESCAPE is the best of the sequels, but only because it has the most clever and literate script.  This is what I value more than cool action or characters who are like supermen.  I see all the flaws in PLANET, but that was THE movie that did it for me when I was eight, so that's that.  The sequels bug me now because their inadequacies bugged me back when they were new!  They've been bugging me for thirty years.  That's a whole lotta buggin' goin' on!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 1/4/02 1:09:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, danpiercy@... writes:

this is definetly true for me as well. as a kid, Ursus & the gorilla
war machine, the underground taverns, the mysterious disappearance of
Taylor and the mutants were so damn cool. also as a kid who was into
playing war, I think the added violence kind of appealed to me (is it
bad to admit that?) as well. I also loved the ending, it's so final.
It's my least favorite now.

So, you were a kind of a little Nazi as a kid, but now you've mellowed?  Just kidding.  I still think Ursus is sort of cool, but in the very same way those Nazis in their uniforms looked cool.  Hey, here's another topic:  General Ursus, cool or a bone-headed fascist?  Imagine sending him after the Taliban -- "Your god didn't save 'ya, did he?"

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 1/4/02 1:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, MTotsky@... writes:

How is the TV series doing on DVD?

I love the damn thing. I am so glad it's out.

More later...

Matt

So, I take it you got it for Christmas, Matt?   Hey, does your son have any opinion on APES yet, or is he still too young?

-- Rory<.html

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General Ursus, cool or a bone-headed fascist?  Imagine sending him after the Taliban -- "Your god didn't save 'ya, did he?"

Flashback to Navy SEALs with Charlie Sheen!  Remember?  When he's stuck in a hole in the roof and talking in his sleave mic to the sniper, God with the 50cal, so called because he takes the God position . . . most high.
"Your God does not save you now!"  then BLAMMO!!
Instant ragdoll!  Not a great movie, but a fun one.
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Hello "Sand Hill School".

Just a quick clarifier - when you say you saw "Return", do you mean "Escape"
which is the movie where 3 apes come to earth in the 70's or do you mean the
cartoon series (which is Return)?

Welcome to the group!!!

Michael (in Australia).

-----Original Message-----
From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2002 2:52

I did see RETURN when it came out, and LOVED the story. I didn't become an
Apes appreciator until years later, really.

.htmlHi!  Can't remember if I've introduced myself to this list yet.  If I haven't, then I'm Kim and I got interested in POTA because I'm a big fan of Roddy's.  Cornelius and Galen, therefore, are my favorite Apes characters :)

The TV series looks great.  We got a DVD player for Christmas, so that was one of my first purchases.

Kim

"Live your life as you see fit. That's not selfish. Selfish is to demand that others live their lives as you see fit." -Anthony DeMello
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From: iap64@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:16 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDs

Hi!  Can't remember if I've introduced myself to this list yet.  If I haven't, then I'm Kim and I got interested in POTA because I'm a big fan of Roddy's.  Cornelius and Galen, therefore, are my favorite Apes characters :)

The TV series looks great.  We got a DVD player for Christmas, so that was one of my first purchases.

Kim

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.htmlIn a message dated 1/4/02 5:19:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, iap64@... writes:

I'm Kim and I got interested in POTA because I'm a big fan of Roddy's.  

Hi Kim.  Too bad you weren't in the group earlier.  There used to be a woman here named JoAndra.  She was a big Roddy McDowall fan too, but she left the group because we used a word she didn't like.  Anyway, I still talk to her every so often, so if you want to meet another female Roddy fan on the web let me know.

Another DVD you might want to pick up or look for as a rental at Blockbuster, Kim, is the "Behind the Planet of the Apes" Special Edition disc.  There's two hours of Roddy just answering questions about APES.

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> Let's face it, we are what we watch when we're little. The first one I

saw >was "Escape" so I'm very forgiving of it's flaws too. Most feel it's
the best >sequel but I even like it better than the original. I saw the TV
show early >too, so I like it better than most do. Childhood rules!

I think you've hit the nail on the head there - Battle was the first one
that I saw and consequently I'm one of the few people who never criticise
it! Conversely I think Escape is the weakest of the sequels - but while I
can usually offer reasons why I think this, I suspect it could be more to do
with the fact that I didn't see it until quite a while after the others, and
probably years after I saw Battle.

For what it's worth, I absolutely love Beneath.

Alan

In a message dated 1/4/02 6:08:13 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< nother DVD you might want to pick up or look for as a rental at
Blockbuster,
Kim, is the "Behind the Planet of the Apes" Special Edition disc. There's
two hours of Roddy just answering questions about APES. >>

Yeah, it's pretty cool but would be better if you could hear the questions.

Matt

In a message dated 1/4/02 2:32:46 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< So, I take it you got it for Christmas, Matt? Hey, does your son have
any
opinion on APES yet, or is he still too young? >>

Actually I got it for my birthday, which was at the end of November. But like
you Rory, I have been watching the TV series over a period of time, instead
of all at once. I am up to "The Horse Race" right now.

My son likes APES, but for no other reason than I do. He likes everything I
do: Beatles, Star Wars, KISS, etc. He is like my own "Mini Me." He just knows
about APES because of the toys and stuff that I have around and the POTA 2001
commercials that were airing over the summer. I still think he's too young
for it (he's only 3 1/2), but I will introduce him to it when the time is
right. Perhaps the TV series would be the right thing to start with.

Matt