Amazing! I was at Blockbuster last night and saw that nearly all the POTA
2001 DVDs were out. What did I rent? "Rush Hour 2"! It was okay, but why
that film made so much money is beyond me. I guess people are just really
bored. I still can't get myself to rent "Tomb Raider." I guess this
weekend "Lord of the Rings" will rule the planet.

-- Rory


The proofs in the putting.
Rush Hour 2 made more that Jurassic and POTA in the U.S., but worldwide
Jurassic and POTA blew Rush Hour 2 away.
Personaly I liked Rush Hour 1 much better.

Best.
Al


_____

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:27 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] What the...?

In a message dated 12/19/01 8:46:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Despite being on video for a month, POTA is still climbing the box office at U.S. theatres. According to "Variety", last week it was #38, this week it's #32. It's $500,000 from crossing the $180 million barrier. Although it's not going to pull off a miracle and suddenly pass $200 million (it's still in question whether it'll pass $180 m. at this level). But that's pretty good for a movie you can rent at Blockbuster. "Jurassic Park 3" dropped from #50 to #58.

                                                           - - - Jeff

Amazing!  I was at Blockbuster last night and saw that nearly all the POTA 2001 DVDs were out.  What did I rent?  "Rush Hour 2"!  It was okay, but why that film made so much money is beyond me.  I guess people are just really bored.  I still can't get myself to rent "Tomb Raider."  I guess this weekend "Lord of the Rings" will rule the planet.

-- Rory

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.html In a message dated 12/19/01 8:46:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Despite being on video for a month, POTA is still climbing the box office at U.S. theatres. According to "Variety", last week it was #38, this week it's #32. It's $500,000 from crossing the $180 million barrier. Although it's not going to pull off a miracle and suddenly pass $200 million (it's still in question whether it'll pass $180 m. at this level). But that's pretty good for a movie you can rent at Blockbuster. "Jurassic Park 3" dropped from #50 to #58.

                                                           - - - Jeff



Amazing!  I was at Blockbuster last night and saw that nearly all the POTA 2001 DVDs were out.  What did I rent?  "Rush Hour 2"!  It was okay, but why that film made so much money is beyond me.  I guess people are just really bored.  I still can't get myself to rent "Tomb Raider."  I guess this weekend "Lord of the Rings" will rule the planet.

-- Rory

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I guess this weekend "Lord of the Rings" will rule the planet.

As they used to say in Cream magazine.  Boy Howdy!
I only wish they had put as much into making Apes.
Then everyone would have been happy.
Peter Jackson gets my vote for Apes II.<.html

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Who smokes

I am unaware of any such action, nor would I be disposed to discuss such action, if it did in fact exist.<.html

>From: "colicab743" <ryanc_873@...>
>Subject: New idea for the members and admins
>I think you should create a message board for this community, like
>from http://www.infopop.com or http://www.everyone.net - Infopop is a
>bit exspensive, but it's good (check out http://www.nightly.net for
>an example). Just an idea..

Why bother? We ARE a message board, and we're not paying for it.

>From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
>Subject: RE: What the...?
>Tomb Raider was OK - actually better than POTA because it was an ACTION film
>and it was just that. And Angelina is just SO hot.....

Well, sure she is -- but I still think Tomb Raider might just be the worst
action film I've seen in a decade.

--- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:

>
> These examples I gave here make as much
> sense as you saying I can't think their helmets are ugly
> because I didn't see that movie. I suppose you're gonna say I
> can't say that Ari looks like a freak because I didn't see the
> movie, I've only seen pics of her. Ohh, how dare I form an
> opinion on her look, and Thade's helmet because I didn't see
> them in the movie, only in pictures and at the store...

I really hated the look of the female chimps too, when I first saw
them on an ET video clip last June. After viewing the fim, I didn't
mind the makeups so much because I was so engaged by
Helena Bonham Carter's acting abilities that I didn't care how Ari
looked. Despite the weird makeup job, Carter managed to make
Ari a very appealing and likeable character.

I didn't care for any of Burton's "stylizations" in the film. I really
hated the gloomy design and dark look of Ape City in the film.
I've never been impressed in the least by Burton's live-action
design capabilities -- then again, it seems to me that he mostly
tends to come up with a vague, overall concept and hires others
to do most of the actual designing work. Other than an overall
"gothy" look with pointy elements, I can't even say that Burton's
live-action design work is that distinctive. IMO, Burton's cartoony,
whimsical art style works good with animation, but just doesn't
translate well to live-action.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:04 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] What the...?

I guess this weekend "Lord of the Rings" will rule the planet.

As they used to say in Cream magazine.  Boy Howdy!
I only wish they had put as much into making Apes.
Then everyone would have been happy.
Peter Jackson gets my vote for Apes II.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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There's an interesting blurb at www.movieheadlines.net about how studios
are souring on DVD extras. Once again greed is rearing it's ugly head.
Scwartzenegger was paid $75, 000 to do an audio commentary and 2
participants were paid $10,000 each for another DVD. This plus the coming
return to full frame movies is going to turn DVD into just plain VHS. I say
these studios have to find some creativity and tell these stars to take a
hike. I'd rather hear a director's commentary than Sir Ah-nuld's any
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "tracer_vic" <tracer_vic@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 6:09 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Those helmets & Burton's design work


> --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> >
> > These examples I gave here make as much
> > sense as you saying I can't think their helmets are ugly
> > because I didn't see that movie. I suppose you're gonna say I
> > can't say that Ari looks like a freak because I didn't see the
> > movie, I've only seen pics of her. Ohh, how dare I form an
> > opinion on her look, and Thade's helmet because I didn't see
> > them in the movie, only in pictures and at the store...
>
>
> I really hated the look of the female chimps too, when I first saw
> them on an ET video clip last June. After viewing the fim, I didn't
> mind the makeups so much because I was so engaged by
> Helena Bonham Carter's acting abilities that I didn't care how Ari
> looked. Despite the weird makeup job, Carter managed to make
> Ari a very appealing and likeable character.
>
> I didn't care for any of Burton's "stylizations" in the film. I really
> hated the gloomy design and dark look of Ape City in the film.
> I've never been impressed in the least by Burton's live-action
> design capabilities -- then again, it seems to me that he mostly
> tends to come up with a vague, overall concept and hires others
> to do most of the actual designing work. Other than an overall
> "gothy" look with pointy elements, I can't even say that Burton's
> live-action design work is that distinctive. IMO, Burton's cartoony,
> whimsical art style works good with animation, but just doesn't
> translate well to live-action.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Who smokes

I am unaware of any such action, nor would I be disposed to discuss such action, if it did in fact exist.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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You could be right - but unlike POTA, it IS an action film.

I guess when I saw it I was just in the mood for tits and escapism.....

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Handley [rhandley@...]
> Sent: Friday, 21 December 2001 23:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 840
>
>
> >From: "colicab743" <ryanc_873@...>
> >Subject: New idea for the members and admins
> >I think you should create a message board for this community, like
> >from http://www.infopop.com or http://www.everyone.net - Infopop is a
> >bit exspensive, but it's good (check out http://www.nightly.net for
> >an example). Just an idea..
>
> Why bother? We ARE a message board, and we're not paying for it.
>
> >From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> >Subject: RE: What the...?
> >Tomb Raider was OK - actually better than POTA because it was an
> ACTION film
> >and it was just that. And Angelina is just SO hot.....
>
> Well, sure she is -- but I still think Tomb Raider might just be the worst
> action film I've seen in a decade.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I think the day DVD becomes VHS will be the day DVDs stop selling.

The quality is not THAT much better that it justifies spending on average
twice what the VHS version would cost. Therefore they pack 'em up with
extras to make us feel a little better about it. As soon as they stop
packing up value, attitudes will change.

If, however, they choose to deop the price to the same as VHS, we may have a
problem.

The return to full frame will not be accepted either. It may be an
alternative, but there will still always be widescreen DVD (and probably
widescreen VHS for a while yet too).

I agree that I would rather hear from directors, but you can see the appeal
to some of having Arnie talk (he's so insightful!) for the masses and I can
guarantee the money they paid him will be justified by sales.

I don't think things are really as gloomy as this reporter suggests.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Saturday, 22 December 2001 4:58
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

There's an interesting blurb at www.movieheadlines.net about how studios are
souring on DVD extras. Once again greed is rearing it's ugly head.
Scwartzenegger was paid $75, 000 to do an audio commentary and 2
participants were paid $10,000 each for another DVD. This plus the coming
return to full frame movies is going to turn DVD into just plain VHS. I say
these studios have to find some creativity and tell these stars to take a
hike. I'd rather hear a director's commentary than Sir Ah-nuld's any

- - - Jeff

There's an interesting blurb at www.movieheadlines.net about how studios
are souring on DVD extras. Once again greed is rearing it's ugly head.
Scwartzenegger was paid $75, 000 to do an audio commentary and 2
participants were paid $10,000 each for another DVD. This plus the coming
return to full frame movies is going to turn DVD into just plain VHS. I say
these studios have to find some creativity and tell these stars to take a
hike. I'd rather hear a director's commentary than Sir Ah-nuld's any
- - - Jeff


I hope that full frame comes as an option, because I hate full frame.
So much is lost on either side of the picture. Ever seen SW in full frame?
Man it sucks.

As for commentaries...the more the merry, I don't mind at all.
I only wish they had one on The Grinch DVD.
It could have been the cleaning lady, hell I wouldn't have cared. :o)


Best.
Al


_____

As the penetration of DVD hardware continues to grow, the studios will have no
option but to provide consumers with full screen versions as the majority of
people prefer that format. Let's just hope they consider the consumers who have
embraced and supported the DVD format from the beginning and still provide
widescreen versions ( like they did for Willy Wonka...even if it was a
reactionary decision ) and at least offer an option. Although this will
probably only be economically lucrative for large volume releases.
Best,
KEN

veetus@... wrote:

> There's an interesting blurb at www.movieheadlines.net about how studios
> are souring on DVD extras. Once again greed is rearing it's ugly head.
> Scwartzenegger was paid $75, 000 to do an audio commentary and 2
> participants were paid $10,000 each for another DVD. This plus the coming
> return to full frame movies is going to turn DVD into just plain VHS. I say
> these studios have to find some creativity and tell these stars to take a
> hike. I'd rather hear a director's commentary than Sir Ah-nuld's any
> - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tracer_vic" <tracer_vic@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 6:09 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Those helmets & Burton's design work
>
> > --- In pota@y..., mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > These examples I gave here make as much
> > > sense as you saying I can't think their helmets are ugly
> > > because I didn't see that movie. I suppose you're gonna say I
> > > can't say that Ari looks like a freak because I didn't see the
> > > movie, I've only seen pics of her. Ohh, how dare I form an
> > > opinion on her look, and Thade's helmet because I didn't see
> > > them in the movie, only in pictures and at the store...
> >
> >
> > I really hated the look of the female chimps too, when I first saw
> > them on an ET video clip last June. After viewing the fim, I didn't
> > mind the makeups so much because I was so engaged by
> > Helena Bonham Carter's acting abilities that I didn't care how Ari
> > looked. Despite the weird makeup job, Carter managed to make
> > Ari a very appealing and likeable character.
> >
> > I didn't care for any of Burton's "stylizations" in the film. I really
> > hated the gloomy design and dark look of Ape City in the film.
> > I've never been impressed in the least by Burton's live-action
> > design capabilities -- then again, it seems to me that he mostly
> > tends to come up with a vague, overall concept and hires others
> > to do most of the actual designing work. Other than an overall
> > "gothy" look with pointy elements, I can't even say that Burton's
> > live-action design work is that distinctive. IMO, Burton's cartoony,
> > whimsical art style works good with animation, but just doesn't
> > translate well to live-action.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047770689

This would have been a cool piece to own.
Best,
KEN

"danpiercy" <danpiercy@...> wrote:

> My favs:
>
> Up Above The World So High - perhaps my fav
> Tomorrow's Tide - this one is really good too
> The Interrogation
> The Horse Race

Interesting choices - I'd actually have picked the first three as being
among the series' weaker episodes! "Up Above..." in particular was a real
letdown to end the series on (not that they could do much about it I
suppose).

Alan

<Haristas@...> wrote:

> One of the things I've always disliked about BENEATH was that suddenly

there

> was this gorilla general and an army. In the original book and film the

apes

> only had a police force. What would an isolated society need an army for?

I think it's not an army like you or I would see it, i.e. a separate entity
to the police. I get the impression that the apes perhaps just have one
unified gorilla force that just tend to do all the jobs of the police, the
army, etc.

If I remember correctly, I think there was something similar in "When the
Sleeper Wakes" by HG Wells.

Alan

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 7:53:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, rhandley@... writes:

Well, sure she is -- but I still think Tomb Raider might just be the worst
action film I've seen in a decade.

Yeah, that's what I hear, and why I haven't been able to get myself to rent it.  Anybody seen "Swordfish"?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 1:03:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 There's an interesting blurb at www.movieheadlines.net about how studios
are souring on DVD extras. Once again greed is rearing it's ugly head.
Scwartzenegger was paid $75, 000 to do an audio commentary and 2
participants were paid $10,000 each for another DVD. This plus the coming
return to full frame movies is going to turn DVD into just plain VHS. I say
these studios have to find some creativity and tell these stars to take a
hike. I'd rather hear a director's commentary than Sir Ah-nuld's any
    - - - Jeff

I don't know about you, but most commentary tracks suck anyway.  I only care about hearing what directors, writers and producers of TRULY great films have to say anyway, and most everybody is dead now.  What a shame Kubrick couldn't have talked about all his films.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 5:21:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I think the day DVD becomes VHS will be the day DVDs stop selling.

The quality is not THAT much better that it justifies spending on average
twice what the VHS version would cost.  

The quality is not that much better?!!!   Now YOU have to send me some of the stuff you're smoking, Whitty.  Then again, maybe not.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 5:36:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

As the penetration of DVD hardware continues to grow, the studios will have no
option but to provide consumers with full screen versions as the majority of
people prefer that format. Let's just hope they consider the consumers who have
embraced and supported the DVD format from the beginning and still provide
widescreen versions ( like they did for Willy Wonka...even if it was a
reactionary decision ) and at least offer an option. Although this will
probably only be economically lucrative for large volume releases.
Best,
KEN

Believe it or not, Joe Russo is still very much pissed they didn't letterbox "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" on DVD.  He writes a book about POTA, but one of his other favorite films is "Chitty..."   Imagine that!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 5:46:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047770689

This would have been a cool piece to own.
Best,
KEN

Not at that price!

-- Rory<.html

"Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...> wrote:

> I hope that full frame comes as an option, because I hate full frame.
> So much is lost on either side of the picture. Ever seen SW in full frame?
> Man it sucks.

It's not as clear cut as that. Some movies in recent years have actually
been filmed full frame (using the "Super35" lens) and consequently the
theatrical releases have actually been stripped along the top and bottom and
it's actually the plain old full frame TV version that gives you the full
picture - in this case you're actually missing lots of the picture by
watching the widescreen version!

Alan

It did have a commentary, but the Grinch stole it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)


>
>
> There's an interesting blurb at www.movieheadlines.net about how studios
> are souring on DVD extras. Once again greed is rearing it's ugly head.
> Scwartzenegger was paid $75, 000 to do an audio commentary and 2
> participants were paid $10,000 each for another DVD. This plus the coming
> return to full frame movies is going to turn DVD into just plain VHS. I
say
> these studios have to find some creativity and tell these stars to take a
> hike. I'd rather hear a director's commentary than Sir Ah-nuld's any
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> I hope that full frame comes as an option, because I hate full frame.
> So much is lost on either side of the picture. Ever seen SW in full frame?
> Man it sucks.
>
> As for commentaries...the more the merry, I don't mind at all.
> I only wish they had one on The Grinch DVD.
> It could have been the cleaning lady, hell I wouldn't have cared. :o)
>
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> _____

Yes, that would be cool. The cover to POTA Magazine
- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: [pota] cool item on Ebay


> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047770689
>
> This would have been a cool piece to own.
> Best,
> KEN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:35 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

In a message dated 12/21/01 5:36:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

As the penetration of DVD hardware continues to grow, the studios will have no
option but to provide consumers with full screen versions as the majority of
people prefer that format. Let's just hope they consider the consumers who have
embraced and supported the DVD format from the beginning and still provide
widescreen versions ( like they did for Willy Wonka...even if it was a
reactionary decision ) and at least offer an option. Although this will
probably only be economically lucrative for large volume releases.
Best,
KEN

Believe it or not, Joe Russo is still very much pissed they didn't letterbox "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" on DVD.  He writes a book about POTA, but one of his other favorite films is "Chitty..."   Imagine that!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:35 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

In a message dated 12/21/01 5:36:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

As the penetration of DVD hardware continues to grow, the studios will have no
option but to provide consumers with full screen versions as the majority of
people prefer that format. Let's just hope they consider the consumers who have
embraced and supported the DVD format from the beginning and still provide
widescreen versions ( like they did for Willy Wonka...even if it was a
reactionary decision ) and at least offer an option. Although this will
probably only be economically lucrative for large volume releases.
Best,
KEN

Believe it or not, Joe Russo is still very much pissed they didn't letterbox "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" on DVD.  He writes a book about POTA, but one of his other favorite films is "Chitty..."   Imagine that!

-- Rory
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

You are correct, sir! A good example is James Cameron, who prefers it that
way for flicks like "Titanic" and I think "True Lies" (and probably the new
POTA if he'd made it).

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)


> "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...> wrote:
> > I hope that full frame comes as an option, because I hate full frame.
> > So much is lost on either side of the picture. Ever seen SW in full
frame?
> > Man it sucks.
>
> It's not as clear cut as that. Some movies in recent years have actually
> been filmed full frame (using the "Super35" lens) and consequently the
> theatrical releases have actually been stripped along the top and bottom
and
> it's actually the plain old full frame TV version that gives you the full
> picture - in this case you're actually missing lots of the picture by
> watching the widescreen version!
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

D'oh! That's supposed to say "POTA Magazine #1"...#1...is this on?
Testing...

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] cool item on Ebay


> Yes, that would be cool. The cover to POTA Magazine
> - - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:54 PM
> Subject: [pota] cool item on Ebay
>
>
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047770689
> >
> > This would have been a cool piece to own.
> > Best,
> > KEN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

It's not as clear cut as that. Some movies in recent years have actually
been filmed full frame (using the "Super35" lens) and consequently the
theatrical releases have actually been stripped along the top and bottom and
it's actually the plain old full frame TV version that gives you the full
picture - in this case you're actually missing lots of the picture by
watching the widescreen version!

Alan


SOME...yes, I believe it. But not MOST.

Best,
Al


_____

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The Interrogation
> The Horse Race

Interesting choices - I'd actually have picked the first three as being
among the series' weaker episodes!

I liked the Interrogation. Beverly Garland should win, or certainly tie for best performance as a female ape in the series.

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 6:49:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, alan@... writes:

It's not as clear cut as that. Some movies in recent years have actually
been filmed full frame (using the "Super35" lens) and consequently the
theatrical releases have actually been stripped along the top and bottom and
it's actually the plain old full frame TV version that gives you the full
picture - in this case you're actually missing lots of the picture by
watching the widescreen version!

Alan

The use of "Super35" is usually because of costs.  It cost more to use the Panavision equipment because it must be leased from the company, also their are complications with the anamorphic lens that make it harder to light scenes and thus add to the time of a shoot.  Some directors also prefer the "flat" look of "Super35, but as far as the 2.35:1 aspect ratio goes -- if the film was shown that way in the theatre, it means the director composed the shot for that format, so when you see the 4.3:1 version on TV you're simply being allowed to see more that wasn't important anyway.  I prefer the theatrical version in any event, so if the shot was composed from 2.35:1 then that's what I want to see on my TV.

So there!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 9:43:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Joe Russo is big on colorful 60's stuff like the "Batman" TV show. That's why I'm so surprised he's made such contributions to the lore of POTA and the Doors, two of the bleakest things around (and both personal favorites of mine).

                                                        - - - - Jeff



He's also very much into "The Monkees," and can't wait for the complete TV series coming out on DVD later this year.  I might even buy that myself.

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/01 9:43:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 What I didn't know is that "Chitty..." was created by the same guy that created James Bond. Parlay those two!                                                      - - - - Jeff

Well, Bond and "Chitty" both show an obsession with cars with gadgets.

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--- In pota@y..., "colicab743" <ryanc_873@h...> wrote:

> Well, you all know the rule - Ape shall not kill Ape. You know in
> the 1968 movie where the group is on the beach and Zaius asks
> Cornelius and Zira to reconsider the rash course they've undertaken,
> and tells them that if they keep on pointing guns in their direction,
> they'll "HANG" for high treason, why does Zaius say that when he
> knows that the rule is ape shall not kill ape, and basically saying
> that he'll kill them. I found it wierd, I suggest you watch the
> original and see what I mean.
>
> -ryan

This query is actually quite relevant to today's society, in regards
to the controversial topic of CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
In virtually every society you have a moral code that forbids the
taking of another person's life AGAINST THEIR WILL: i.e. MURDER.
The word usually translated "kill" in the Ten Commandments actually
means "murder"--the intentional taking of another person's life, in
violation of that person's inalienable right to Life, Liberty, etc.
The term "capital" punishment refers implicitly to BEHEADING, since
the Latin word "caput" means "head"--as in the purposeful removing of
it as punishment for some crime. A "capital" punishment, then, is
intended as society's retribution for crimes which are so heinous that
they require the ending of the life of the perpetrator of the crime
via beheading. Of course, nowadays, so-called "capital" crimes aren't
literally dealt with by chopping off heads; we use lethal injection,
firing squads, and "ol' sparky".
The 1st reference to "Ape Shall Not/Never Kill Ape" is in BENEATH,
when Ursus refuses to mercy-kill the (illusory) crucified gorillas.
However, since Zaius himself advocated that said mercy-killing, it
could be said that Ursus is applying the word "kill" inappropriately,
or interpreting the Lawgiver's order as meaning ANY type of ending-of-
life, when the context may mean only the concept of MURDER.
Traditionally, there are two kinds of law: Governmental and
Ecclesiastical (i.e. State and Church). Some societies, of course are
theocratic in nature and only One law is recognized, where Church-law
and State-law are synonymous. When Zaius warns that their persistence
in pointing guns in his direction will get them to "hang for high
treason", he seems to be referring to a State law--since TREASON is a
crime against the State. Earlier, when Cornelius and Zira are
discussing Taylor and his place in Cornelius' "theory" (of
'Evolution'), Cornelius blurts out: "Zira, are you trying to get my
head chopped off?!" I think that after Cornelius proposed his theory
of evolution to "the Academy", and after they said that his idea was
"heresy", his reference to getting his head "chopped off" refers to
the punishment for that "Ecclesiastical crime".
This whole matter of Church/State laws is reflected in BATTLE. There
are 2 specific laws referenced: the "first law" ("A human shall never
say 'No' to an Ape") and "our most sacred law" ("Ape shall never kill
Ape"). The term "most sacred" would suggest that IT is 1st on the list
("most")... but it would have to be a Church/Ecclesiastical law, since
the word "sacred" lends itself to that interpretation. So, then, when
Aldo refers to Teacher having broken the "First Law" with his own
mouth (saying "No" to an Ape), that law must be the "first" of the
State/Governmental laws. Later on, Aldo reminds Caesar, Virgil and
MacDonald that going to the (bombed out) City is "forbidden"--and
Caesar replies, "I know... I forbade it." Caesar is the undisputed
leader of the community, the head of both Church and State. Remember
his tirade at the end of CONQUEST, when he tells the prior MacDonald,
"We shall build our own armies, our own religion, our own Dynasty!"
Evidently, Caesar instituted two types of government: a Civil
government (i.e. State) and an Ecclesiastical government (a "Church"),
each with its set of "laws", some of which apply only to humans (since
the "first law" prohibits only humans from saying the word 'No' to an
Ape, and not vice versa.
On another note, remember the "chimpanzee protest" scene of BENEATH,
when Ursus almost has his soldiers gun down the chimps blocking the
Army's route out of Ape City? Zaius prevents this, saying, "Wait: we
don't want MARTYRS, do we?" Evidently, Ursus was not above killing
apes who were guilty of some sort of crime--if their city was under
Martial Law, then Ursus would be the absolute authority under that
law, and the chimp protest could be seen as a form of treason,
punishable by death (just as when, during an emergency, the National
Guard can "shoot on sight" any looters they catch in the act: State-
sanctioned killing during times of crisis that is NOT considered
murder). Zaius warns Ursus that having his soldiers kill the
treasonous chimps may be justifiable (from a legalistic standpoint),
but would NOT be politically expedient, since the reaction of the rest
of the community might very well be more than he is willing to
confront ("martyrdom" being a status that others confer on those who
die for a [religious] principle).
Interestingly, for all the comparisons of the "chimp protest" scene in
BENEATH with the protests regarding VietNam, there is one major
difference: the protestors of the VietNam War would have been the
demographic that was drafted/forced into fighting the "enemy". In
BENEATH, however, it is plain that only the GORILLA faction functions
as the Ape military. No chimpanzees were being forced to fight the
unknown "enemy" in the Forbidden Zone; but, the gorilla army did
represent the entire Ape civilization, so the chimpanzee pacifists had
every right to protest the violence that would be committed on behalf
of ALL apes--chimpanzees included.

Patrick Michael Tilton
22 December 2001

--- In pota@y..., "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:

> <Haristas@a...> wrote:
> > One of the things I've always disliked about BENEATH was that suddenly
> there
> > was this gorilla general and an army. In the original book and film the
> apes
> > only had a police force. What would an isolated society need an army for?
>
> I think it's not an army like you or I would see it, i.e. a separate entity
> to the police. I get the impression that the apes perhaps just have one
> unified gorilla force that just tend to do all the jobs of the police, the
> army, etc.
>
> If I remember correctly, I think there was something similar in "When the
> Sleeper Wakes" by HG Wells.
>
> Alan

Why is there a gorilla army? Well, we can assume that Ursus (in
BENEATH) is the latest in a line of "generals" who command the armed
forces of the simian society. Presumably, they have enemies. Who?
I think that in between 3085 and 3955 (closer to the former time),
there is a major "race war" between humans and apes--the humans
rebelling against their enslaved status in the Ape civilization. The
Apes had the guns, and won the war, further subjugating humans to the
point that they were no longer slaves, but considered nothing but
beasts... literally "de-human-ized".
And let us not forget that in the New York/New Jersey area there
exists (prior to the oldest remnants of the "lawgiver culture" there
1,200 years before PLANET) a population of "carnivorous gorillas",
reminiscent (in a way) of the "assimians" or "assissimians" from
MARVEL's "TERROR ON THE PLANET OF THE APES" series (remember when
Maguanas and his clan are going to cook & eat Alexander and Malaguena
before Jason and Lightsmith rescue them?). Imagine an ape society
basically just like that which seems to exist from the time of BATTLE
through to the TV series and into PLANET and BENEATH (with next to no
scientific innovation throughout that nearly 2000-year period),
migrating from the California area (where BATTLE--I think--takes
place, as does the TV show) to the New York/New Jersey area; if there
is a violent breed of carnivorous gorillas there, they might even be
cannibals, in which case the "civilized" ape society would feel
justified in warring against them, viewing the carnivore/cannibals as
"sub-simian", just as western culture tended to view as "sub-human"
many of the tribal cultures of the Americas.

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The Interrogation
> The Horse Race

Interesting choices - I'd actually have picked the first three as being
among the series' weaker episodes!

I liked the Interrogation. Beverly Garland should win, or certainly tie for best performance as a female ape in the series.


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.html In a message dated 12/21/01 5:21:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I think the day DVD becomes VHS will be the day DVDs stop selling.

The quality is not THAT much better that it justifies spending on average
twice what the VHS version would cost.  

The quality is not that much better?!!!   Now YOU have to send me some of the stuff you're smoking, Whitty.  Then again, maybe not.

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.html I can only recall two good things about Swordfish, and they both belonged to Halle Berry.
Actually I quite enjoyed it when I was watching it but like most movies these days, it was pretty forgettable. Certainly not a keeper..IMO.
Best,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

 I did and really enjoyed it (far more than I enjoyed Tomb Raider) although again it has had poor reviews.I thought it was a very good action movie with some interesting twists and I really liked the thought that went into the director's choice of the final scene (listen to his commentary about the alternative endings and you will wish Burton thought about POTA as much!!).Michael 

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Sent: Saturday, 22 December 2001 10:18

Anybody seen "Swordfish"?

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Swordfish (OT)

I can only recall two good things about Swordfish, and they both belonged to Halle Berry.
Actually I quite enjoyed it when I was watching it but like most movies these days, it was pretty forgettable. Certainly not a keeper..IMO.
Best,
KEN

Michael Whitty wrote:

 I did and really enjoyed it (far more than I enjoyed Tomb Raider) although again it has had poor reviews.I thought it was a very good action movie with some interesting twists and I really liked the thought that went into the director's choice of the final scene (listen to his commentary about the alternative endings and you will wish Burton thought about POTA as much!!).Michael 

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Sent: Saturday, 22 December 2001 10:18

Anybody seen "Swordfish"?

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:29 PM

Subject: [pota] Swordfish (OT)

I did and really enjoyed it (far more than I enjoyed Tomb Raider) although again it has had poor reviews.

 

I thought it was a very good action movie with some interesting twists and I really liked the thought that went into the director's choice of the final scene (listen to his commentary about the alternative endings and you will wish Burton thought about POTA as much!!).

 

Michael

 

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Anybody seen "Swordfish"?

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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:43 PM

Subject: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

What I mean is that for what I am spending ($20 for VHS, $40 for DVD over here) I would need to get AT LEAST widescreen or the quality difference would not be worth the extra $20.

 

I have a DVD collection over around 350 movies and I know the only way these bastards will get me to spend my money again is to release "Super Deluxe Special Edition"s with more extras.  The studios know that too in case no one has noticed.

 

Michael

 

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Sent: Saturday, 22 December 2001 10:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 12/21/01 5:21:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I think the day DVD becomes VHS will be the day DVDs stop selling.

The quality is not THAT much better that it justifies spending on average
twice what the VHS version would cost.  

The quality is not that much better?!!!   Now YOU have to send me some of the stuff you're smoking, Whitty.  Then again, maybe not.

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/01 4:36:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I did and really enjoyed it (far more than I enjoyed Tomb Raider) although again it has had poor reviews.

I thought it was a very good action movie with some interesting twists and I really liked the thought that went into the director's choice of the final scene (listen to his commentary about the alternative endings and you will wish Burton thought about POTA as much!!).

Michael



Yeah, I'll probably rent this one.

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/01 4:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

What I mean is that for what I am spending ($20 for VHS, $40 for DVD over here) I would need to get AT LEAST widescreen or the quality difference would not be worth the extra $20.

I have a DVD collection over around 350 movies and I know the only way these bastards will get me to spend my money again is to release "Super Deluxe Special Edition"s with more extras.  The studios know that too in case no one has noticed.

Michael



$40 for a DVD?!!   It that the average price?   It's around $20 here.  Isn't the Australian dollar tied to the U.S. dollar, or is your money worth less?  And are your DVDs domestic or all imports?

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/01 4:52:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

I can only recall two good things about Swordfish, and they both belonged to Halle Berry.
Actually I quite enjoyed it when I was watching it but like most movies these days, it was pretty forgettable. Certainly not a keeper..IMO.
Best,
KEN

That's true of most movies these days -- forgettable -- but I'll probably get around to renting "Swordfish" soon as there ain't shit on TV around the holidays.

Hey, I saw "Lord of the Rings" today.  Pretty damn good, though it did go on a bit long, still it was very well made and should be very popular.

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/01 6:48:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

    I rented the movie Fox is "proud" of this year, "Moulin Rouge". I enjoyed it but it's not for everyone. POTA was Fox's biggest hit this year but the head of the studio said M.R. was the most gratifying because there are many people who are passionate about it. Box-office wise, it did OK but not great (musicals tend to be poison). I guess POTA was the designated bread winner; maybe next time Fox will let POTA "retire" into a good movie and put the pressure elsewhere.

                                                       - - - - Jeff



Oh yeah, this is something else I need to rent, but I doubt I'll like it much.

Anyway, before I saw "Lord of the Rings today I saw a trailer for "The Time Machine."  It looks like it could be pretty good, but I also saw one for "Rollerball" and that looks pretty bad.  And I also saw the 'teaser' for "Goldmember."  It has 'Mini-Me' dressed up like Austin Powers and dancing around London.  Very funny.

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/22/01 6:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 I got suckered a few times, now I'm not so hot to replace my VHSs on DVD. Unless it says "special edition" (or POTA) or is a new movie, I wait. The original release of movies tend to be glorified VHS. For example, I've got a nice James Cameron collection but I'm not going to bite for "True Lies" and "Titanic" until the special eds arrive (and they're coming!).

                                                     - - - - Jeff



Could someone please explain to me what's so good about "True Lies," other than it's got 'Chuck' in it?

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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> Hey, I saw "Lord of the Rings" today. Pretty damn good, though it

did go on

> a bit long, still it was very well made and should be very popular.

me:

I thought the 3 hours passed like 1; w/the book being 600 pages long
there was so much to cover in such little time. The pace was very
quick, I thought. I did enjoy it and will probably see it again.

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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 4:22 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

In a message dated 12/22/01 6:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 I got suckered a few times, now I'm not so hot to replace my VHSs on DVD. Unless it says "special edition" (or POTA) or is a new movie, I wait. The original release of movies tend to be glorified VHS. For example, I've got a nice James Cameron collection but I'm not going to bite for "True Lies" and "Titanic" until the special eds arrive (and they're coming!).

                                                     - - - - Jeff

Could someone please explain to me what's so good about "True Lies," other than it's got 'Chuck' in it?

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.html Our dollar is only currently worth about 51 U.S cents. The local price for a DVD varies between AU$25 ( no features) to AU$45 ( for a double disc). The DVDs are replicated locally but from European 'masters' which often means that some special features featured on the U.S versions are sacrificed to make room for european text subtitles. Shrek was only a single disc release here. I buy most of my DVDs from Amazon in America as it often works out to be the same price as it would cost me locally. Plus it's generally sooner..for example POTA'01 isn't scheduled for a retail release ( generally Fox release 'vanilla' versions to rental first before a special ed. retail release) here until Easter next year. Speaking of which, a friend at Fox sent me the U.S version of POTA'01 for Xmas. The special features certainly make a shallow film more interesting, but I must admit I actually fell asleep during the Burton commentary...and I was watching in the afternoon!
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

 In a message dated 12/22/01 4:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
 
 

What I mean is that for what I am spending ($20 for VHS, $40 for DVD over here) I would need to get AT LEAST widescreen or the quality difference would not be worth the extra $20.

I have a DVD collection over around 350 movies and I know the only way these bastards will get me to spend my money again is to release "Super Deluxe Special Edition"s with more extras.  The studios know that too in case no one has noticed.

Michael
 

$40 for a DVD?!!   It that the average price?   It's around $20 here.  Isn't the Australian dollar tied to the U.S. dollar, or is your money worth less?  And are your DVDs domestic or all imports?

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"Titanic" until the special eds arrive (and they're coming!).

Titanic?
Moulin Rouge?
Are you gay?
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Sorry, Jeff.
That would have been more fun if replying to Rory.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

.html In a message dated 12/22/01 4:52:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, kentaylor@... writes:

I can only recall two good things about Swordfish, and they both belonged to Halle Berry.
Actually I quite enjoyed it when I was watching it but like most movies these days, it was pretty forgettable. Certainly not a keeper..IMO.
Best,
KEN

That's true of most movies these days -- forgettable -- but I'll probably get around to renting "Swordfish" soon as there ain't shit on TV around the holidays.

Hey, I saw "Lord of the Rings" today.  Pretty damn good, though it did go on a bit long, still it was very well made and should be very popular.

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.html In a message dated 12/22/01 6:48:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

    I rented the movie Fox is "proud" of this year, "Moulin Rouge". I enjoyed it but it's not for everyone. POTA was Fox's biggest hit this year but the head of the studio said M.R. was the most gratifying because there are many people who are passionate about it. Box-office wise, it did OK but not great (musicals tend to be poison). I guess POTA was the designated bread winner; maybe next time Fox will let POTA "retire" into a good movie and put the pressure elsewhere.

                                                       - - - - Jeff



Oh yeah, this is something else I need to rent, but I doubt I'll like it much.

Anyway, before I saw "Lord of the Rings today I saw a trailer for "The Time Machine."  It looks like it could be pretty good, but I also saw one for "Rollerball" and that looks pretty bad.  And I also saw the 'teaser' for "Goldmember."  It has 'Mini-Me' dressed up like Austin Powers and dancing around London.  Very funny.

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.html In a message dated 12/22/01 6:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 I got suckered a few times, now I'm not so hot to replace my VHSs on DVD. Unless it says "special edition" (or POTA) or is a new movie, I wait. The original release of movies tend to be glorified VHS. For example, I've got a nice James Cameron collection but I'm not going to bite for "True Lies" and "Titanic" until the special eds arrive (and they're coming!).

                                                     - - - - Jeff



Could someone please explain to me what's so good about "True Lies," other than it's got 'Chuck' in it?

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Sent: Sunday, 23 December 2001 18:09 

 
The special features certainly make a shallow film more interesting, but I must admit I actually fell asleep during the Burton commentary...and I was watching in the afternoon!
Best,
KEN

 

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Careful....Rory and I are a couple. So stop being a bitch to my babe.

Guys, we really need a topic.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 23 December 2001 20:09
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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>
>
>
> Sorry, Jeff.
> That would have been more fun if replying to Rory.
> Not that there's anything wrong with that.

What's up?

I know some folks on this list participated in the POTA street team
group for the 2001 DVD release.

Did you get your 'free DVD' yet?

Best Wishes!
J.

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Speaking of which, a friend at Fox sent me the U.S version of POTA'01 for Xmas. The special features certainly make a shallow film more interesting, but I must admit I actually fell asleep during the Burton commentary...and I was watching in the afternoon!
Best,
KEN

Well, I can certainly understand that!

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I saw Moulin Rouge yesterday for the first time.

Smoke up before you watch.  If nothing else, it is different.  Visually amazing too.  Now I know why everyone I asked "Well, what is a SIMILAR movie?" could not respond.

Let me know what you think Rory.

Michael



I expect that once I start watching it I'll be counting the minutes until it's over.  I just hope it doesn't turn me gay, because that sure would get T excited.  Nothing worse than a happy Texican T!

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Careful....Rory and I are a couple.  So stop being a bitch to my babe.

Guys, we really need a topic.

Michael

Here's one.  Just why did Dr. Zaius do such a good job on T's frontal lobotomy?

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Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 7:33 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Fox's favorite

In a message dated 12/23/01 6:14:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I saw Moulin Rouge yesterday for the first time.

Smoke up before you watch.  If nothing else, it is different.  Visually amazing too.  Now I know why everyone I asked "Well, what is a SIMILAR movie?" could not respond.

Let me know what you think Rory.

Michael

I expect that once I start watching it I'll be counting the minutes until it's over.  I just hope it doesn't turn me gay, because that sure would get T excited.  Nothing worse than a happy Texican T!

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"Titanic" until the special eds arrive (and they're coming!).

Titanic?
Moulin Rouge?
Are you gay?
Notthat there's anything wrong with that.

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Rip off! No DVD, I tried to e-mail them and it appears the address no
longer exists. Maybe I should contact Fox and see if they are legit?

- - - Jeff

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Subject: [pota] Question about POTA 'street team'


> What's up?
>
> I know some folks on this list participated in the POTA street team
> group for the 2001 DVD release.
>
> Did you get your 'free DVD' yet?
>
> Best Wishes!
> J.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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 I also own "The Rocky Horror Picture Show". Would you like to come over and watch it, T? It's chilly outside. I have a nice warm fire.

                                                        - - - - Jeff




I don't own it, but I like "Rocky Horror" too.  I guess that makes me extra special gay, eh Lord Teeheheh?

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 Rip off! No DVD, I tried to e-mail them and it appears the address no
longer exists. Maybe I should contact Fox and see if they are legit?

                                                           - - - Jeff

Lousy human bastards!  I knew it was too good to be true.  Well, I'm glad I didn't waste my time on that project.  I'd do it for the original and wouldn't care if I got a freebee or not, but not the Burton thing.

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In a message dated 12/23/01 2:01:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Rip off! No DVD, I tried to e-mail them and it appears the address no
longer exists. Maybe I should contact Fox and see if they are legit?

                                                           - - - Jeff

Lousy human bastards!  I knew it was too good to be true.  Well, I'm glad I didn't waste my time on that project.  I'd do it for the original and wouldn't care if I got a freebee or not, but not the Burton thing.

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That should have been step one.

So what did they get out of you?

Michael

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From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 24 December 2001 6:04

Maybe I should contact Fox and see if they are legit?

- - - Jeff

So what happened to issues #'s 124-230?

Chris L.


On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:54:12 -0500 Rich Handley <rhandley@...>
writes:

> Sure -- here's the breakdown...
> * Planet of the Apes #1-87
> * Planet of the Apes and Dracula Lives #88-123
> * Mighty World of Marvel Featuring Hulk and P.O.T.A. #231-246
> Total: 139 issues between the three titles. In the course of those

issues,

> the entire U.S. series was reprinted, and some of the stories (mostly

the

> film adaptations) were reprinted twice.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 12:29 PM

Subject: [pota] Question about POTA 'street team'

May I be so bold as to say "I told you so"?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [mailto:Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 24 December 2001 6:33
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Question about POTA 'street team'

In a message dated 12/23/01 2:01:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 Rip off! No DVD, I tried to e-mail them and it appears the address no
longer exists. Maybe I should contact Fox and see if they are legit?

                                                           - - - Jeff

Lousy human bastards!  I knew it was too good to be true.  Well, I'm glad I didn't waste my time on that project.  I'd do it for the original and wouldn't care if I got a freebee or not, but not the Burton thing.

-- Rory

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I gave them the e-mail addresses of all my UK and Australian friends.

Naw, I e-mailed 3 websites they gave me the addresses to and gave it a
mention on their boards. Nothing major. I've been promoting "Apes" a long
time. Nothing I can't live with.

- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [pota] Question about POTA 'street team'


> That should have been step one.
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> Michael
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> Sent: Monday, 24 December 2001 6:04
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So stop being a bitch to my babe.

It just that it's an interesting kind of fun when Rory gets riled up.
WHen he started hating POTAY2K1 less, I thought, Fun's over!

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Did you get your 'free DVD' yet?

I think only one person in the whole group proved he'd pestered enough people to rate getting a feebie.

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.htmlNothing worse than a happy Texican T!

-- Rory

Easy there, Rosy!

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/23/01 7:43:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Nothing worse than a happy Texican T!

-- Rory

Easy there, Rosy!

At least I don't live in a state where every thing is painted pink and turquoise!


Just for your information, T, I think Florida SUCKS!!!   And have you ever noticed the state's shaped like a penis?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/23/01 7:38:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

So stop being a bitch to my babe.

It just that it's an interesting kind of fun when Rory gets riled up.
WHen he started hating POTAY2K1 less, I thought, Fun's over!



Just to please you I'll go back to hating it BIG TIME!

-- Rosy<.html

Escape from the Planet of the Apes is on right now on 'HBO Family' channel.

Never thought I'd ever see a Planet of the Apes movie on any cable pay
channel.

Amazing.

Best.
Al



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Just for your information, T, I think Florida SUCKS!!!   And have you ever noticed the state's shaped like a penis?

That's okay Rory.  I just didn't want to be the one to say it.  At least you have the ocean.  Texas isn't all paradise either.  I have to drive six hours just to get to that glorified mud hole the Gulf of Mexico.  Oh I could drive 12 hours to Padre Island.  Where the water isn't brown like in Galveston.  It's Green!  But to see true blue water I'd have to drive to, you guessed it, Florida!   And as far as moutains go, The Big Bend Country is nearly as far and the hills of Oklahoma are nearly as big, and closer.  If you like places that are nearly all flat, it's th place to be.  On thing about living in the Metroplex...   It makes other places seem interesting by comparison.<.html

I think I have seen them on Cinemax occasionally.
Premium channels ain't what they used to be.
But if I had to pay to see old movies Ape are my choice.

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 11:22 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Escape

I think I have seen them on Cinemax occasionally.
Premium channels ain't what they used to be.
But if I had to pay to see old movies Ape are my choice.


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It's awesome! The documentary is fantastic, and just the whole
layout of the discs and the box is bloody good!

-ryan

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Ruiz [prophecysite@...]
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2001 11:43
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA 2001 Second Line Figures

For those looking for the second line of POTA 2001 figures, get 'em while their hot!

 

The last three figures, KRULL, COMMANDER, and the Space Chimp with pod (hell of a complex name) are at this web site.

 

Just type "Planet of the Apes" and you'll see them. Two pages worth of figures.

 

http://www.toybliss.com/

 

Best.

Al

 

P.S. I would get them but right now I have a costly computer and DVD recorder to deal with. But worth it for me.

 

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/24/2001 3:22:02 AM Central Standard Time, ryanc_873@... writes:

It's awesome!  The documentary is fantastic, and just the whole
layout of the discs and the box is bloody good!

-ryan

Did you manage to find the 2 dvd set of the Behind documentary yet? It is twice as good as the one with the box set....Not only does it include the entire show that is on the dvd included with the movie box, but also the Nato feature, featurettes, and dailies (out takes, no audio on these though,) and the kicker, a very extensive interview with Roddy.

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.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/2001 5:13:07 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

> My favs:
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> Up Above The World So High - perhaps my fav
> Tomorrow's Tide - this one is really good too
> The Interrogation
> The Horse Race

Interesting choices - I'd actually have picked the first three as being
among the series' weaker episodes!

I'd say "The Interrogation" is really pretty good up until the "cartoonish" escape at the end. Other than that, I like it. I do agree though that "UATWSH" is really a very weak episode, and certainly a sad one to have ended with.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 12/21/2001 5:11:43 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

> One of the things I've always disliked about BENEATH was that suddenly
there
> was this gorilla general and an army.  In the original book and film the
apes
> only had a police force.  What would an isolated society need an army for?

I think it's not an army like you or I would see it, i.e. a separate entity
to the police. I get the impression that the apes perhaps just have one
unified gorilla force that just tend to do all the jobs of the police, the
army, etc.

If I remember correctly, I think there was something similar in "When the
Sleeper Wakes" by HG Wells.

Alan

I agree with you on this one. I also think of the gorilla forces as one united force doing all jobs of the security/military. As for the initial comment of "suddenly there was this general and an army...." Well, just because they weren't featured in the first movie, that doesn't mean they weren't there all the while.<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 24, 2001 12:48 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] finished viewing TV series DVDs

In a message dated 12/21/2001 5:13:07 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

> My favs:
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> Up Above The World So High - perhaps my fav
> Tomorrow's Tide - this one is really good too
> The Interrogation
> The Horse Race

Interesting choices - I'd actually have picked the first three as being
among the series' weaker episodes!

I'd say "The Interrogation" is really pretty good up until the "cartoonish" escape at the end. Other than that, I like it. I do agree though that "UATWSH" is really a very weak episode, and certainly a sad one to have ended with.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken & Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:08 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] DVDevils (off topic)

Our dollar is only currently worth about 51 U.S cents. The local price for a DVD varies between AU$25 ( no features) to AU$45 ( for a double disc). The DVDs are replicated locally but from European 'masters' which often means that some special features featured on the U.S versions are sacrificed to make room for european text subtitles. Shrek was only a single disc release here. I buy most of my DVDs from Amazon in America as it often works out to be the same price as it would cost me locally. Plus it's generally sooner..for example POTA'01 isn't scheduled for a retail release ( generally Fox release 'vanilla' versions to rental first before a special ed. retail release) here until Easter next year. Speaking of which, a friend at Fox sent me the U.S version of POTA'01 for Xmas. The special features certainly make a shallow film more interesting, but I must admit I actually fell asleep during the Burton commentary...and I was watching in the afternoon!
Best,
KEN

Haristas@... wrote:

 In a message dated 12/22/01 4:50:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
 
 

What I mean is that for what I am spending ($20 for VHS, $40 for DVD over here) I would need to get AT LEAST widescreen or the quality difference would not be worth the extra $20.

I have a DVD collection over around 350 movies and I know the only way these bastards will get me to spend my money again is to release "Super Deluxe Special Edition"s with more extras.  The studios know that too in case no one has noticed.

Michael
 

$40 for a DVD?!!   It that the average price?   It's around $20 here.  Isn't the Australian dollar tied to the U.S. dollar, or is your money worth less?  And are your DVDs domestic or all imports?

-- Rory

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Not only does it include the entire show that is on the dvd included with the movie box, but also the Nato feature, featurettes, and dailies (out takes, no audio on these though,) and the kicker, a very extensive interview with Roddy.

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Great, great news. Spectacular! But... I'm not all for 'Animal House.'
It's totally dick. I don't see why it is loved by so many people.

Oh, I'm back. Sorry for being gone for a week.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/19/01 1:26:23 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< I think that if Stewart had survived she'd have seen plenty of
penis-headed
mutants because the apes would have only seen her as a female for breeding
purposes. Blonds were pretty scarce on the planet of the apes. Hey, maybe
this is the plot of "Playmate of the Apes"?

-- Rory

>>

Ha, I forgot about that 'movie'. Looking at the title, I doubt that it will
have much of a story.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/19/01 2:31:57 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< I suspect young Joe (cheesegotas) has a stash too....come on out Joe and
bring your gear!

Michael >>

You know, I slapped my forhead when I read this. I'm pretty sure some of the
people here (*Cough* RORY *Cough*) do a lot more drugs than I do. I hardly
ever even smoke a cigerette.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/22/01 6:22:06 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< And I also saw the 'teaser' for
"Goldmember." It has 'Mini-Me' dressed up like Austin Powers and dancing
around London. Very funny. >>

Yeah, I also so that at LotR. I kept thinking to my self 'This is so wrong'
but it was so funny. Heh.

-Joe

Saw it opening night, dress as JoeBo the Hobbit. Great movie, and it went by
quicker than I thought it would. The pace was quick, and there weren't any
slow parts. And I'm glad that they took that Tom Bombadil crap out. It's
basically 300 pages about a guy who's obviously tripping on something.

-Joe

In a message dated 12/23/01 8:43:16 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

<< Just for your information, T, I think Florida SUCKS!!! And have you ever
noticed the state's shaped like a penis?

-- Rory

>>

Oh my God, it is! I've never noticed that. What's Iowa shaped like?

-Joe

Woopie! Someone gave me the DVD of "Young Frankenstein" for Christmas. Now
I can compare (and listen to the commentary) to see what they used in "The
Legacy" episode.

- - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: [pota] cool item on Ebay


> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047770689
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> Best,
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"Wait: we don't want MARTYRS, do we?" Evidently, Ursus was not above killing
apes who were guilty of some sort of crime--if their city was under
Martial Law, then Ursus would be the absolute authority under that
law, and the chimp protest could be seen as a form of treason,
punishable by death

That make absolutly no sense what so ever!
Ape shall never kill Ape!  Unless they get in the way and start waving signs in my face, and then blast 'em!

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