----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:51 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA sans Burton

  They started filming the second "Harry" the week the first one came out. I guess that counts as greenlighting a sequel before the first one is a success (as if they had any doubt) but it's not the same as greenlighting a sequel before the first one is filmed. LOTR was all filmed in one big celluloid orgy. But the order of the day is "franchises" and that's why I think Fox is more forgiving of POTA than they would've been in the past. The movies are going to be a lot like tv but the "programs" will be yearly instead of weekly. Familiarity breeds profitability. Toodles!

 

                                                             - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA sans Burton

The only one that shot sequels was "Lord of the Rings",

I'm not sure but I thought that Harry Potter shot some of the sequels as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 17:57
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Another Kubrick in the wall

  A while back someone mentioned they got a "Special Forces" Kubrick to go with their "Conquest" set. Which one was it? The one that best matches the police in "Conquest"?

 

                                                               - - - Jeff

 

--- In pota@y..., "apemonsterman" <apemonsterman@y...> wrote:
> What is generally considered to have been the best/realistic ape
> makeup(s) or suit(s) before 1968's Planet of the Apes and 2001:A
> SPACE ODDESSY?
> Quint R.L

Aint none of you people ever heard of Charles Gemora?

 

In a message dated 1/21/02 5:29:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, apemonsterman@... writes:


Yeah, he was a makeup artist who also played gorillas in a lot of movies from 1932's "Murders in the Rue Morgue" to 1954's "Phantom of the Rue Morgue."   But were his the best ape suits in the business?  I don't know.  Possibly.  But have you ever seen the ape-man in 1925's "The Lost World" played by Bull Montana?  That was a pretty scary makeup.

 

 

OK, here's a bit of trivia for you: does anyone know off the top of their heads the connection between POTA and the 1954 "Phantom of the Rue Morgue"? (no looking it up on the IMDB either- that's cheating).

 

 

Chris L.

>
> what is this and where do you order it?

>>

> In a message dated 1/21/02 3:45:19 AM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << Speaking of remakes . . .
>
> I'm watching The Time Machine on The Sci-fi Channel. I can't wait to see
> what modern filmmakers do with this time traveling Sci-fi classic. I hope
> it's not all bang and flash with little substance, if you know what I mean.
> >>
>
> Yes, looks great. So why was it held back to February again?
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 1/22/02 7:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> apemonsterman@y... writes:
>
>
> > ...and why did he come here to America in 1967 to help work on

> > makeup effects for the 1968 film Planet of the Apes.
> > Is it known if he also brought along any of his old Japanese King
> > Kong gorilla suits?
> > also whatever became of him?
> > This all sounds very mysterious to me.
> > Trust me folks there is a reason Im asking all these seemingly
> > estoteric questions.
> > R.L
> >
> >
> >
>
> He came here to help develop the foam latex and other rubbers used

> film.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
Yeah, he was a makeup artist who also played gorillas in a lot of
movies from
> 1932's "Murders in the Rue Morgue" to 1954's "Phantom of the Rue
Morgue."
> But were his the best ape suits in the business? I don't know.
Possibly.
> But have you ever seen the ape-man in 1925's "The Lost World"
played by Bull
> Montana? That was a pretty scary makeup.
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:33 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Ben Nye

In a message dated 1/22/02 6:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, apemonsterman@... writes:

Would anyone here know if Ben Nye had ever constructed any ape suits
for any movies or television shows before he assisted John Chambers
with the makeup effects for the 1968 film?
I know Ben Nye worked on two famous television shows prior to that,
Irwin Allen's VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA and THE TIME TUNNEL.

I don't know of any 'ape suits' Nye constructed, but I do know that Nye was head of the Twenteith Century Fox makeup department for a couple of decades, and that his most famous creation is probably the fly head worn by David Henison in -- what else? -- "The Fly."  On APES, which was the last thing Nye did at the studio before leaving and turning the department over to Dan Striekpeke, Nye was responsible for designing the colors for each type of ape appliance.  He made literally gallons of castor grease colors that would be used to blend the edges of the appliances into the skin.

-- Rory

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>From: Ken & Heather Taylor <kentaylor@...>
>Subject: Re: Hardcover Annual 1976
>It appears that the previous owner removed all the cut-out pieces such as the
>cut-out figures, masks etc. There are also word puzzles, mazes, joint the

>etc. on these pages.

> Good work, Patrick. I'm enjoying the "unflubbing". But what we need is
> Fred MacMurray to invent some "flubber". That would make your job much
> easier. And the point is well taken that you can probably look at any pop
> culture icons and find flubs, maybe even, dare I say it, Harry Potter!
> Toodles!
>
> - - - - Jeff
>
>

> I know it( the Missing Link) was played by former wrestler Bull
> Montana,but would anyone know who did its suit and make up?
> I saw it last week on DVD at my friends house,man that was scary when
> the Missing link jumped in front of the camera,That effect was years
> before its time I think.
> BTW anyone know what happened to that costume?
> You think someone took it out the moth balls and wore it in the woods
> in 1967(i.e the Patterson/Bigfoot footage)?

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:07 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Poll: POTA MVP


> I was just curious what the consensous was regarding who the MVP of the
Planet of the Apes franchise would be? What I mean by this, what single
individual was most responsible for making the POTA saga and phenomenon as
big and great as it is? Here are my nominations:
>
> Pierre Boulle: Since he came up with the original concept, his
contribution is immeasurable. Perhaps someone else may have come up with a
story about an evolved Ape culture at a later date, but chances are it would
have been vastly different.
>
> Arthur Jacobs: His persistance and dedication to getting the POTA film
franchise off the ground is something we should all be indebted to. If it
hadn't been for this dedication, POTA may just be remembered as another
novel by the guy who wrote "Bridge on the River Kwai."
>
> Charlton Heston: He committed to star in the film when it was nothing more
than a series of sketches and a story outline. His clout as one of the
biggest actors around was certainly instrumental in getting the film made,
he even helped get Franklin Schaffner on board to direct the first film. He
was so important that he single handidly sabotaged "Beneath" by refusing to
commit to anything more than a glorified cameo.
>
> Roddy McDowell: He is the face of POTA, the person most people associate
with the franchise. His dedication and enthusiasm helped keep the excitement
alive as long as possible.
>
> John Chambers: His revolutionary makeup helped make the first film a
serious work, rather than a silly adventure among the monkeys. His
contribution should not be underestimated.
>
> Rory Monteith: The self-proclaimed "Greatest POTA Fan Alive" has helped
maintain fan enthusiasm over the years. Rory was already 46 when the
original film was released, and upon seeing it, he was instantly hooked. His
rapid dedication to all of the sequels, the TV series, the cartoons, the
comics and the Burton "reimagining" is a model for us all to follow.
>
>
> Well there you have it. Those are my thoughts. Feel free to nominate
someone else or vote for your favorite. For me it's a toss up between Boulle
and Jacobs, but I would have to give the nod to Jacobs as my POTA MVP.
>
> Toodles,
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Lynne Miller

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Alan Maxwell

What's Her Name here!!  LOL!!!  I made a promise that I wouldn't answer a post over three days old, but then I can't get to a computer only once a week now, so that sorta backfired!!  I've been a bit worried about Mez myself!  I wrote her a while ago and didn't get a post back... I figure between the site and LIFE in general, it has her busy...work is Killing me.

But I read every post(Okay, that may be a lie...I read the ones that MSN doesn't steal away...I refuse to pay for extra storage...at least for now!)

So, I've officially made my post of the month..hopefully it'll be a lot sooner between posts!

I have a question, though...maybe you can help Jeff...I saw a TV version of Escape awhile back.  When Cornelius was shot, the version I saw had him choke, "bastards" before he growls and falls over the edge of the ship.  I may have addressed this before on the list, but it really sounded like Roddy, and the more I see of that scene, there is a blank space right around there where it could have been put in.  Is there a deleted scene?  Has there been anyone else on the list that has seen this?  Maybe Jeff, you could ask Natalie?  This has been driving me nuts since I've seen it!!!

Mez, ..couldn' believe that you have "Scattered Remains" on the reading list.  I have the zine that this came from and wondered if you had seen the other story about Alan Virdon that was also in the zine?  Come back, Mez!!  We need more TV show addicts!!

                                                              Lynne    

                                              (aka W.H. N.)

                                              

>From: LordTZer0@...

>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>To: pota@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Alan Maxwell

>Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:21:30 EST

>

>

> > over on Mez's

> > site?

>

>How the hell is Mez? Long time no see!

>I see her post about as much as What's-her-name?

>That's how long it's been. I can't recall her name.

>I think it was &nsbp...Sorry Lynne, I couldn't resist.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 4:52 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1504199860 (Ends Jan-29-02 05:40:15 PST ) - BENEATH THE P

Click here: eBay item 1504199860 (Ends Jan-29-02 05:40:15 PST ) - BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES JAPAN POSTER

Hey, what do you 'primates' think of this poster?  Pretty cool looking, I think.  I like how they put the spaceship into it.

-- Rory

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>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Poll: POTA MVP
>Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:11:58 -0800
>
> Personally, I would vote for whoever came up with "Toodles", because
>there
>has never been a better way to end an "Apes" e-mail. Beyond that, I would
>say Arthur Jacobs. Yeah, without Boulle there would be no "Apes" but
>without
>Jacobs there would be no "Apes" work of the others. POTA was only made
>because it piggybacked on his reputation as Fox slobbered for that
>lucrative
>"Dr. Dolittle". There's also Jacobs' importance to the sequels and he
>initiated the TV show. The only thing he screwed up on was foreseeing the
>merchandise. Apjac all the way. Toodles!
> - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <MTotsky@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:07 PM
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Poll: POTA MVP
>
>
> > I was just curious what the consensous was regarding who the MVP of the
>Planet of the Apes franchise would be? What I mean by this, what single
>individual was most responsible for making the POTA saga and phenomenon as
>big and great as it is? Here are my nominations:
> >
> > Pierre Boulle: Since he came up with the original concept, his
>contribution is immeasurable. Perhaps someone else may have come up with a
>story about an evolved Ape culture at a later date, but chances are it
>would
>have been vastly different.
> >
> > Arthur Jacobs: His persistance and dedication to getting the POTA film
>franchise off the ground is something we should all be indebted to. If it
>hadn't been for this dedication, POTA may just be remembered as another
>novel by the guy who wrote "Bridge on the River Kwai."
> >
> > Charlton Heston: He committed to star in the film when it was nothing
>more
>than a series of sketches and a story outline. His clout as one of the
>biggest actors around was certainly instrumental in getting the film made,
>he even helped get Franklin Schaffner on board to direct the first film. He
>was so important that he single handidly sabotaged "Beneath" by refusing to
>commit to anything more than a glorified cameo.
> >
> > Roddy McDowell: He is the face of POTA, the person most people associate
>with the franchise. His dedication and enthusiasm helped keep the
>excitement
>alive as long as possible.
> >
> > John Chambers: His revolutionary makeup helped make the first film a
>serious work, rather than a silly adventure among the monkeys. His
>contribution should not be underestimated.
> >
> > Rory Monteith: The self-proclaimed "Greatest POTA Fan Alive" has helped
>maintain fan enthusiasm over the years. Rory was already 46 when the
>original film was released, and upon seeing it, he was instantly hooked.
>His
>rapid dedication to all of the sequels, the TV series, the cartoons, the
>comics and the Burton "reimagining" is a model for us all to follow.
> >
> >
> > Well there you have it. Those are my thoughts. Feel free to nominate
>someone else or vote for your favorite. For me it's a toss up between
>Boulle
>and Jacobs, but I would have to give the nod to Jacobs as my POTA MVP.
> >
> > Toodles,
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>

> I was just curious what the consensous was regarding who the MVP of

> .....For me it's a toss up between Boulle and Jacobs, but I would

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:

For me it's a toss up between Boulle and
Jacobs, but I would have to give the nod to Jacobs as my POTA MVP.

________________
Agreed. With a serious glance to Kim Hunter, as a strong actress in
a timely role.

--Helen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
> Sent: Friday, 25 January 2002 13:17
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Poll: POTA MVP
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
>
> For me it's a toss up between Boulle and
> Jacobs, but I would have to give the nod to Jacobs as my POTA MVP.
>
> ________________
> Agreed. With a serious glance to Kim Hunter, as a strong actress in
> a timely role.
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:30 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Top 250 films

Click here: Top 250 films

Where do YOU think 'you-know-what' should rank?

-- Rory

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>From: Haristas@...
>Subject: Check out Table of Contents
>What do you guys (and gals) make of this site?

> <A HREF="http://goingfaster.com/icarus/tableofcontents.htmlquot;>Click

>
> What do you guys (and gals) make of this site?
>
> -- Rory

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Top 250 films

Is LOTR really that good (I haven't seen it yet). Will it go down in history
as a "classic"? Or is it #2 on this list because it is the flavor of the
moment?

Matt

Oh yeah, I forgot. . . . definately "flavor of the moment," though I do have to admit that LOTR has got to be one of the greatest movies ever made. . . .

. . . about little trolls trying to get rid of a ring.   Now why that's such a big deal, I don't know.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 3:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Movies! Movies! Movies!

Okay, since no one seems to have anything POTA to say, let's talk movies.  I've finally got around to renting the DVDs of TOMB RAIDER, SWORDFISH and JEEPERS CREEPERS.   I was pretty bored with them all, especially JEEPERS CREEPERS where the dialogue between the brother and sister was more of a horror to sit through than the intended scary bits -- and those didn't scare me one bit!

I haven't been able to get myself to rent MOULIN ROUGE 'cause I know I won't be able to take it.  Pass on that completely, especially since it shows the kind of mentality at Fox right now.  BLAH!

Tonight I've rented THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS (aka Jeff's sex-life).   I wanted to rent GHOSTS OF MARS but all copies were out.  It was really a choice between dumb and dumber there.

I'm kind of looking forward to renting RAT RACE when it comes out on DVD this week.  I sure hope it's as funny as I've heard, kind of a second-rate MAD MAD WORLD.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:01 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Top 250 films

In a message dated 1/25/02 10:30:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  What are you talking about, Rory? "Lord of the Rings" is #2. That's not good enough? You want it to be #1? Toodles!

                                                           - - - - Jeff

You silly ass!  Can't you take anything seriously?  Toodles!

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] TV Series: My Thoughts


> I know the TV series DVD set is old news by now, but I never got around to
> posting my thoughts.
>
> The bottom line is that I love the damn thing. I think the three main
> characters (and actors for that matter) are great. Urko and Zaius are cool
> too, I just wish they figured into more of the plots.
>
> I know the shortcomings of the series have been discussed ad nauseum, so I
> won't get into that - and besides they really don't bug me that much. The
> bottom line is that each episode is great fun. I kind of felt sad at the
end
> of the final episode, knowing that there are no more adventures for these
> cool characters. I wish FOX could have wrapped it up somehow, perhaps with
a
> TV movie while Roddy was still alive. I think a great ending would be the
> Boulle (aka the POTA 2001) ending - Virdon and Burke finally making it
home,
> but when they return they find that Earth has already been taken over by
Apes.
>
> I'm glad this set is out on DVD. I actually saw it for the first time
since I
> was a kid towards the end of 2000. It turned out that one of my co-workers
> had the whole thing on VHS so I was finally able to check it out. For me
it
> was almost like a whole new Apes movie series. It was so fresh. The only
> memories I really had from the original run were just a few snapshots:
Burke
> fighting with Urko in "The Trap" and Virdon and Burke checking out those
old
> history books in the initial episode, etc. I think I am going to make it
an
> annual tradition to watch the series around Christmas every year.
>
> POTA: The TV Series is now officially my second favortie Apes project,
behind
> the original film. Here's my personal list:
>
> 1. POTA: 1968
> 2. POTA: The TV Series
> 3. ESCAPE
> 4. CONQUEST
> 5. BENEATH
> 6. POTA 2001
> 7. BATTLE
>
> I've never seen the cartoon series so I can't comment on that.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> In a message dated 1/26/02 12:33:20 AM, Haristas@a... writes:
>
> << What do you guys (and gals) make of this site? >>
>
> Since when was it established that Dodge was a civilian?
>
> Matt

  MTotsky@... wrote:

<I know the TV series DVD set is old news by now, but I never got around to posting my thoughts.
The bottom line is that I love the damn thing. I think the three main characters (and actors for that matter) are great. Urko and Zaius are cool too, I just wish they figured into more of the plots.>

I love it, too - have always loved it, since I was a kid.  The three main characters are all terrific actors.  Like you said, all the bad stuff has already been talked about, and I don't care either.  Urko is a goldmine -way over the top.  Zaius is wonderful.  And so were some of the guest star apes (let us not talk about the female human guest stars - phew!) I've already watched the dvd twice.  I'm doing a fan fic story if you're interested - it's on fanfic.net. under POTA movies (no headings for the tv series).

An acquaintance I know is going to James Naughton's show this weekend in Orange County.  And I also heard he doesn't like to talk about the ape thing - that he only took the job because he was broke.  Heresy!

<I wish FOX could have wrapped it up somehow, perhaps with a
TV movie while Roddy was still alive. I think a great ending would be the Boulle (aka the POTA 2001) ending - Virdon and Burke finally making it home,but when they return they find that Earth has already been taken over by Apes.>

That's a good one, or just anything besides what they did - left us hanging!

Kassidy

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