Chris Lawless wrote:

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>HOT and HORNY BITCHES in the comfort of your own home.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Stockford [darren@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2002 22:50
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] A solution to the spam in this group
>
>
>
> >HOT and HORNY BITCHES in the comfort of your own home.
>
> The daily spam that pops up on this group could be stopped quite easily.
> The moderator just needs to change the posting settings from 'anyone' to
> 'members' (sign in to Yahoo, go to the group's home page at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/ - click 'group settings', edit
> 'posting', and choose the 'discussion' option.)
>
> The message archives would still be public (important, I think, as it
> encourages people to check out the group before joining), but it
> would stop
> spammers, unless they've genuinely joined (which I doubt - too much
> hassle). And even if they have, they can be kicked off/
>
> I run a couple of groups myself (set up as above), and have never had any
> trouble with spammers. I've only ever seen it on groups that are set to
> 'anyone...'. This is a fun list, but I think it would be even
> better if we
> could eliminate the ads for porn sites.
>
> Hope I'm not treading on anyone's toes here. It's just a suggestion. :o)
>
> Best wishes -
>
> Darren
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> I always thought the reference to carnivorous gorillas was more in line w=

> some (silly) plot of evolution - they became carnivores then developed vo=

> chords. I always assumed there was a suggestion that nuclear fallout was=

> supposed to have expedited the evolutionary process.
>
> I say this is silly because we all know the first glaring error in the mo=

> series is that evolutiion takes a LOT longer and it should have been set =

> in the future.
>
> That's how I explain the "3955" inconsistency - both time clocks broke we=

> and truley before they reached the actual year of landing (that's a bit
> silly too - that a clock would surge forward like that)
>
> Michael

>Just fixed the settings so that members only can post.

>Y'know, I always thought that was a fountain until you pointed it out.
>Duh.

>>Chris Lawless wrote: 

>>Kind of a weird visual interpretation of the Alpha-Omega

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 1:38
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Carnivorous Gorillas

> -----Original Message-----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 6:01
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Carnivorous Gorillas
>
>
> In a message dated 1/13/02 9:17:34 AM Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@...
> writes:
>
> << How can a spaceship be in two places at the same
> time, in 1973 on earth while also thousands of light-years out in space,
> without, as I contend, there are alternate timelines or
> 'avenues' of time? >>
>
> And how come, when the Apes get back to the 70s, they have space
> helmets and
> nifty suits, which the crew did not have in the original. Huh?
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Ted Post is still alive, as far as I know. Don Taylor ("Escape") died in
> '98, the same year as Roddy.

>Now Patrick Michael Tilton could you please explain to me how, as others in
>this group contend, can Taylor land on a planet of the apes where two
>thousand years before Zira and Cornelius arrived in the very same spaceship
>that Taylor arrives in? How can a spaceship be in two places at the same
>time, in 1973 on earth while also thousands of light-years out in space,
>without, as I contend, there are alternate timelines or 'avenues' of time?

Does anyone know what exactly this book description refers to?  what screenplays?  the cartoon, maybe?  Thanks, Kassidy

Return to the Planet of the Apes Book (1) One: Visions From Nowhere; Book (2) Two: Escape From Terror Lagoon; Book (3) Three: Ma...
by Arrow, William (Based On Screenplays By Larry Spiegel; Jack Kaplan; John Barrett; J. C. Strong; And Bruce Shelly) (Re: Pierre...
First Paperback Printings. Ballantine Books, New York (1976) 
 

Does anyone know what exactly this book description refers to?  what screenplays?  the cartoon, maybe?  Thanks, Kassidy

Return to the Planet of the Apes Book (1) One: Visions From Nowhere; Book (2) Two: Escape From Terror Lagoon; Book (3) Three: Ma...
by Arrow, William (Based On Screenplays By Larry Spiegel; Jack Kaplan; John Barrett; J. C. Strong; And Bruce Shelly) (Re: Pierre...
First Paperback Printings. Ballantine Books, New York (1976) 

<Good guess.  These are the novel adaptation of the "Return to the Planet of the Apes" Cartoon Series.>

 

Thanks for your help.  I knew you guys would tell me quickly just exactly what it is.

 Alan, is this a comic?  The cover is gorgeous - I'd like to have it for that alone!

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > Chiller Theatre #15 is a PotA issue.
>
> Where can I get mine?
>
>
>
>
> T

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:09 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: That Chiller Mag.

I got this response from Joe Russo when I forwarded him that image of the cover of the mag.

-- Rory

I HAVE this-this mag comes from  NJ not UK!! Published by the guy who
runs the CHILLER THEATRE conventions in  NJ ( I did one as guest in
Oct.) The inside is nothing special,infact I was FURIOUS when I looked
inside because he "stole" 9 photos from POTAR without even sighting us
as the source.I can give you the address if you want to order one.Best
thing is he cover (the actual painting was on display at the con)

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 13:38
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Please God, No!

  I thought something was fishy when I looked at the "Previews" for March and didn't see a POTA comic entry for March. Well, I got the new issue and it's true - - - the POTA comic has been cancelled, the last vestige of the new flick. The final issue will be out next month. Seneca, Esau, Crow... we hardly knew ye. SNIFF!

 

                                                         - - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:09 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: That Chiller Mag.

I got this response from Joe Russo when I forwarded him that image of the cover of the mag.

-- Rory

I HAVE this-this mag comes from  NJ not UK!! Published by the guy who
runs the CHILLER THEATRE conventions in  NJ ( I did one as guest in
Oct.) The inside is nothing special,infact I was FURIOUS when I looked
inside because he "stole" 9 photos from POTAR without even sighting us
as the source.I can give you the address if you want to order one.Best
thing is he cover (the actual painting was on display at the con)

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Michael Whitty wrote:

Here we go again......Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2002 13:38
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Please God, No!
 

  I thought something was fishy when I looked at the "Previews" for March and didn't see a POTA comic entry for March. Well, I got the new issue and it's true - - - the POTA comic has been cancelled, the last vestige of the new flick. The final issue will be out next month. Seneca, Esau, Crow... we hardly knew ye. SNIFF!                                                          - - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 11:09 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: That Chiller Mag.

 I got this response from Joe Russo when I forwarded him that image of the cover of the mag.

-- Rory
 
 

I HAVE this-this mag comes from  NJ not UK!! Published by the guy who
runs the CHILLER THEATRE conventions in  NJ ( I did one as guest in
Oct.) The inside is nothing special,infact I was FURIOUS when I looked
inside because he "stole" 9 photos from POTAR without even sighting us
as the source.I can give you the address if you want to order one.Best
thing is he cover (the actual painting was on display at the con)
 

 
 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: CheeseGOTAS@... [CheeseGOTAS@...]
> Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 3:00
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Please God, No!
>
>
> In a message dated 1/16/02 8:40:38 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> << I thought something was fishy when I looked at the "Previews"
> for March
> and didn't see a POTA comic entry for March. Well, I got the new
> issue and
> it's true - - - the POTA comic has been cancelled, the last
> vestige of the
> new flick. The final issue will be out next month. Seneca, Esau,
> Crow... we
> hardly knew ye. SNIFF!
>
> - - - - Jeff >>
>
> Sad news. I haven't gotten the new one yet, but did they give a
> reason why
> it will be cancelled? It was a very good comic, and it's sad to
> see it go.
>
> I'll have to go complain.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "valwp" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:11 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Alan Maxwell


> Hi, it's Kassidy here. I was wondering if you'd mind if I posted the
> Ron Harper interview that you typed for this group over on Mez's
> site? (the tv series site). Let me know :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: valwp [valwp@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2002 6:12
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Alan Maxwell
>
>
> Hi, it's Kassidy here. I was wondering if you'd mind if I posted the
> Ron Harper interview that you typed for this group over on Mez's
> site? (the tv series site). Let me know :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Please God, No!

The reason would be simple - SALES.

Not a lot of POTA fans out there.....

I'd say there were a lot of fan.  Opening day proved that, maybe less now.
But I don't think there are that may into comicbooks.  Most are older now.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Please God, No!

The reason would be simple - SALES.

Not a lot of POTA fans out there.....

I'd say there were a lot of fan.  Opening day proved that, maybe less now.
But I don't think there are that may into comicbooks.  Most are older now.

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  Haristas@... wrote:

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing:  What interview with Ron Harper?

-- Rory

Hey guys,

You didn't miss a thing.  This is from message #8232 - June of 2001!  I was browsing and found it in our messages

  LordTZer0@... wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hasta La Vista, Burton?

In a message dated 1/18/02 5:16:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

So who do we get in touch with at Fox to give them some ideas from the fans?

I am glad if this is right that Burton is out.  I think they really need to
either do a Battle sequel or a Monkey Planet filming - either continue the
cycle or abandon and recreate it (properly this time).

Forget including Wahlberg and acknowledging the first one - the first one
was garbage and can be left alone and found at video stores next to "Time of
the Apes" that absolutely nobody ever tries to fit into their chronology!!!!

Michael

Alright, Michael!!!   Right on.  Unfortunately so-called "brains" at the studios act like they know everything, actually know nothing and know they know nothing and are scared shitless most of the time, so they try to play it safe and we get crap.  One thing is for sure -- they only listen to fans when the fans are legion and we APES fans are too few.  How can we take initiative when they're in control?

-- Rory
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>>

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hasta La Vista, Burton?


> In a message dated 1/18/02 9:01:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> << Toodles! - - - Jeff
> >>
>
> Is this your new thing?
> TTFN!
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 1/13/02 9:39:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > Taylor tells Landon that they are "320 Lightyears" away from Earth on
> > a planet orbiting a star in the constellation Orion. Of course, WE
> > know that they've actually ended up back on Earth, but HE doesn't know =

> > that when he says this. He's seen the EARTH-TIME clock reading [25
> > November 3978], so he knows they've traveled for 18 months of SHIP-
> > TIME, which corresponds to about "twenty centuries" of EARTH-TIME.
> > Could his ship have somehow gotten sent back to Earth via a similar
> > activation of an "automatic homing device" (just like Virdon's ship)?
> > In the scenario for my novel-in-progress, that's EXACTLY what happens. =

> > His ship IS out there, 320 Lightyears away in space... and an
> > "Automatic Homing Device" is triggered... and his ship zips back the
> > 320 Lightyears to Earth at the same rate of "retrotemporal" time per
> > distance; the math is simple: 4.34 ÷ 320 = 115 ÷ "x" (where "x" is the =

> > number of EARTH-TIME days that Taylor's ship "retrotemporally" goes
> > backwards through Time. "x" turns out to be about 8,479 days. Divide
> > that by the number of days in a year and you get about 23.2 years.
> > Subtract 23.2 years from 3978 (November 25), and you find yourself
> > smack dab in the summer of... 3955 A.D.! The scenario I concocted for
> > my novel project "unflubs" the mistakes Paul Dehn made when he
> > scripted BENEATH.
> >
> >
>
> Now Patrick Michael Tilton could you please explain to me how, as others =

> this group contend, can Taylor land on a planet of the apes where two
> thousand years before Zira and Cornelius arrived in the very same spacesh=

> that Taylor arrives in? How can a spaceship be in two places at the sam=

> time, in 1973 on earth while also thousands of light-years out in space, =

> without, as I contend, there are alternate timelines or 'avenues' of time=

>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> It IS silly.
>
> The clock might AGE 6 months in 5 seconds, but it should not RACE FORWARD -
> or, if it should, then so should the metal and nuts and bolts in the ship
> therefore disintegrate. I realise it is there for dramatic effect, and to
> bring the surge froward in time to the attention of the crew and the
> audience, but I contest that they could have picked an alternative method
> that makes more sense.
>
> I am not saying it is silly that they have hit a time warp, just that the
> time warp make the clock spin and ages nothing else.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 1:38
>
> Incidentally, it isn't "silly" the way the EARTH-TIME clocks tick forward
> faster than the SHIP-TIME clocks. Taylor mentions that they've aged "6
> months" during the same time that the Earth has aged "nearly 700 years" due
> to "Doctor Hasslein's theory of Time in a vehicle traveling nearly the speed
> of light". Taylor is merely saying that they are undergoing TIME DILATION at
> NEAR-LIGHT velocities. Albert Einstein first postulated this nearly 100
> years ago.

> Patrick,
>
> What are you saying? The ship was resurrected and refuellued and flown by 3
> chimps but they couldn't fix the clock? Hmmmmmm.....
>
> And I would have thought we could pick the date 1973 from the US President
> who was......what was his name again?
>
> Michael

>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 1:38
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Carnivorous Gorillas
>
> And... the "time clocks" can't have broken, as you say, since the EARTH-TIME
> clock in the ship that the "Ape-onauts" escape the Alpha Omega Bomb in
> accurately registers the final EARTH-TIME date: 1973.
> Milo reminds Cornelius and Zira about when the clock ticked backwards before
> Lewis Dixon & Stevie Branton arrive to 'test' them. If the clock was busted,
> it shouldn't have accurately read "1973" (as Zira drunkenly tells Hasslein
> when he plies her with "Grape Juice Plus"), and we KNOW that ESCAPE takes
> place in 1973, since the Presidential Commission is "dissolved" by its
> Chairman in "the year of our Lord, Nineteen-Hundred and Seventy-Three" as he
> says before he hits his gavel.
>
> See ya 'round, Mike. Nice chattin' with ya.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 01-13-2002

> So who do we get in touch with at Fox to give them some ideas from the fans?
>
> I am glad if this is right that Burton is out. I think they really need to
> either do a Battle sequel or a Monkey Planet filming - either continue the
> cycle or abandon and recreate it (properly this time).
>
> Forget including Wahlberg and acknowledging the first one - the first one
> was garbage and can be left alone and found at video stores next to "Time of
> the Apes" that absolutely nobody ever tries to fit into their chronology!!!!
>
> Michael
>

> In a message dated 1/19/02 9:16:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > Anyway, that's MY take on it. Feel free to disagree. My scenario I've
> > concocted to reconcile all the details given in the movies & TV
> > episodes; in addition, it has provided me with opportunities to add to
> > the saga logical extrapolations based on this. Whether or not anybody
> > else likes either my scenario or my "extras" based in part upon it,
> > well, I can't worry about that. I hope others will like it, but there
> > are no guarantees in life...
> >
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 01-19-2002
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for your efforts, Patrick, but I can't really accept them as gospel.
> You suggest that Taylor and Brent were both part of the same voyage to
> another star, so that when Taylor is going through his adventure on the
> planet of the apes, Brent and other astronauts are orbiting in a 'mothership'
> the whole time? That's a little screwy to me, but then so is the idea of
> Brent being sent out on a 'rescue mission.' They really never should have
> sent another astronaut to the planet when they decided to do a sequel, but
> then all this 'should haves, could haves' is rather pointless. Good luck
> with your mega-POTA-opus-in-progress. Have any ideas on how Fox can get out
> of the box they've put themselves into with the new movie and any possible
> sequel?
>
> -- Rory

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 1:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: We know what?
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Patrick,
> >
> > What are you saying? The ship was resurrected and refuellued
> and flown by 3
> > chimps but they couldn't fix the clock? Hmmmmmm.....
> >
> > And I would have thought we could pick the date 1973 from the
> US President
> > who was......what was his name again?
> >
> > Michael
>
> Michael,
> The ship that Milo finds (and that he, Zira and Cornelius fly up to
> low-Earth orbit in) is NOT the same ship that Taylor hibernated in.
> The PLANET ship did NOT have a "gull-wing-hatch" (out of which the
> "Ape-onauts" climb after the ship is beached), but the ESCAPE ship
> DOES. They are TWO SEPARATE SHIPS. Whoever landed the ship that Milo
> finds left behind the 3 EVA suits (which the apes find and put on).
> This ship--actually a shuttlecraft, in my scenario--was the only one
> of the three to successfully land the way it was supposed to land: on
> its tripodal landing struts--it didn't need to be "resurrected" (you
> must be referring to the PLANET ship which sunk in Dead Lake, but this
> ship isn't the same ship). And this "third ship" had enough fuel to
> re-achieve orbit, having been designed that way. The clocks on this
> ship don't need fixing, since they work just fine--it accurately
> depicts the final EARTH-TIME (1973) after the trip back through time
> from Doomsday (3955), as evidenced by the Chairman of the Presidential
> Commission of Inquiry banging his gavel "in the year of our Lord 1973"
> etc.
> At any rate, that's how I explain away the notorious flubs of Paul
> Dehn!
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 01-19-2002
>
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > > Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 1:38
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Carnivorous Gorillas
> >
> > And... the "time clocks" can't have broken, as you say, since
> the EARTH-TIME
> > clock in the ship that the "Ape-onauts" escape the Alpha Omega Bomb in
> > accurately registers the final EARTH-TIME date: 1973.
> > Milo reminds Cornelius and Zira about when the clock ticked
> backwards before
> > Lewis Dixon & Stevie Branton arrive to 'test' them. If the
> clock was busted,
> > it shouldn't have accurately read "1973" (as Zira drunkenly
> tells Hasslein
> > when he plies her with "Grape Juice Plus"), and we KNOW that
> ESCAPE takes
> > place in 1973, since the Presidential Commission is "dissolved" by its
> > Chairman in "the year of our Lord, Nineteen-Hundred and
> Seventy-Three" as he
> > says before he hits his gavel.
> >
> > See ya 'round, Mike. Nice chattin' with ya.
> >
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 01-13-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

  Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

<1976 hardcover POTA annual>  

what is this and where do you order it?

> Quick question...
>
> My edition of the 1976 hardcover POTA annual is missing what I estimate to
> be ten pages between the stories "The Captive" and "Raiding Party." Can
> someone tell me what I'm missing on those pages? I'm debating whethre or
> not to buy another copy. Thanks!
>
> Rich
>
>
>
>

> Hi, it's Kassidy here. I was wondering if you'd mind if I posted the
> Ron Harper interview that you typed for this group over on Mez's
> site? (the tv series site). Let me know :)

> Firstly, they should have abandoned the new look stuff on that planet and
> gone with classic (but Fox may have restricted that).
>
> Also, they should have made it tie in with some of the movies - like a

> about the building of Taylor's ship by Milo, Cornelius and Zira. That

> be worth buying.
>
> Even a wrap up/revisit of the TV Series. Something to encourage fans to
> buy.
>
> They could have bought some fan-fic to base it on and have the authors
> explain various things

>>

----- Original Message -----
From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA sans Burton


> It would be a shame if all the characters of POTA2001 were dismissed and
not
> used again. Personally speaking, I very much enjoyed Burton's movie and
> didn't have a problem with it. If the next POTA film does start a new
saga
> from scratch, maybe FOX would consider using Attar, Thade & friends for a
> new Saturday morning cartoon. Storylines could take place before Leo
landed
> and explain some of the questions that irritate those who haded POTA 2001:
> Where did the horses come from? Why were the humans so defiant, as
opposed
> to the petrified humans in the original? More detail on what went wrong
> with Krull & Attar's friendship, etc. etc.
>
> If a film from scratch is made, with a brand new story and new characters,
I
> hope that it takes place on a planet of apes like POTA2001 and the
original
> did, and not modern earth. I don't hate them, but ESCAPE and CONQUEST are
> my least favourites of the original films.
>
> I have a good friend in L.A. who is an actor and inquired last summer to
his
> agent about auditioning for the sequel when the time came. His agent
told
> him that the sequel was already in the can. Not uncommon, since Lord Of
The
> Rings did it, but I found it tough to swallow though he says his agent
> swears by it. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Kassidy Rae [valwp@...]

<1976 hardcover POTA annual>  

what is this and where do you order it

>
> > The Gerard Depardieu
> > version of "CYRANO DE BERGERAC" is the best film adaptation of the
> > original Rostand play
>
> I have to call Bullshit on that. The Jose Ferrer version is the best.
> What do they do in the Depardieu version when he's about to have his fight
> with the hundred men? They fade out! And not without good reason. The guy
> can't fence! I never felt so ripped off by a movie in my life. And not only
> can Ferrer fence, he can act! He can reason! And he's not a rapist.
> Depardieu can't say any of that!

>
> > hey, it's in the original French verse!, or am
> > I the only Francophile American who appreciates that?
>
> Yes, you are...
> Don't get me started on those snail-eating, backstabbing bunch of cowards=

> Frogs! But, just because somthings French doesn't make it good. Breathl=

> is the biggest pile of steaming shit I ever Had to sit through, Twice! A=

> least after the second time the Prof. read a review of it calling it the =

> piece of shit I always felt it to be, and c
> onfirming the fact that I'm not the only one who feels this way. But jus=

> because something's French doesn't make it bad either. The books Planet =

> the Apes and the 3 Musketeers come to minds. Both classics in their own =

> right. We discussed a French adaptation of Apes years ago and I stand by=

> original casting suggestions. Which if I recall, to save you a trip thro=

> the archives, was <A HREF="http://us.imdb.com/Name?Karyo,+Tch%E9ky">Tchék=

> and <A HREF="http://us.imdb.com/Name?Bujold,+Genevi%E8ve">Geneviève Bujol=

> Patrick
>
> Until the final line I thought maybe you were starting to believe this
> creative slant regarding which ship is was, but thankfully you do realise
> the "flub"!!!
>
> Hope you are not reading me wrong - I love hearing your creative
> explanations (though I must agree with some "the simpler the better"), and
> it is with a great deal of endearing cheek that I sometimes say "explain
> that one, Patrick".
>
> Michael
>

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 1:36
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: We know what?
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Patrick,
> > >
> > > What are you saying? The ship was resurrected and refuellued
> > and flown by 3
> > > chimps but they couldn't fix the clock? Hmmmmmm.....
> > >
> > > And I would have thought we could pick the date 1973 from the
> > US President
> > > who was......what was his name again?
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> > Michael,
> > The ship that Milo finds (and that he, Zira and Cornelius fly up to
> > low-Earth orbit in) is NOT the same ship that Taylor hibernated in.
> > The PLANET ship did NOT have a "gull-wing-hatch" (out of which the
> > "Ape-onauts" climb after the ship is beached), but the ESCAPE ship
> > DOES. They are TWO SEPARATE SHIPS. Whoever landed the ship that Milo
> > finds left behind the 3 EVA suits (which the apes find and put on).
> > This ship--actually a shuttlecraft, in my scenario--was the only one
> > of the three to successfully land the way it was supposed to land: on
> > its tripodal landing struts--it didn't need to be "resurrected" (you
> > must be referring to the PLANET ship which sunk in Dead Lake, but this
> > ship isn't the same ship). And this "third ship" had enough fuel to
> > re-achieve orbit, having been designed that way. The clocks on this
> > ship don't need fixing, since they work just fine--it accurately
> > depicts the final EARTH-TIME (1973) after the trip back through time
> > from Doomsday (3955), as evidenced by the Chairman of the Presidential
> > Commission of Inquiry banging his gavel "in the year of our Lord 1973"
> > etc.
> > At any rate, that's how I explain away the notorious flubs of Paul
> > Dehn!
> >
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 01-19-2002
> >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > > > Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 1:38
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Carnivorous Gorillas
> > >
> > > And... the "time clocks" can't have broken, as you say, since
> > the EARTH-TIME
> > > clock in the ship that the "Ape-onauts" escape the Alpha Omega Bomb in
> > > accurately registers the final EARTH-TIME date: 1973.
> > > Milo reminds Cornelius and Zira about when the clock ticked
> > backwards before
> > > Lewis Dixon & Stevie Branton arrive to 'test' them. If the
> > clock was busted,
> > > it shouldn't have accurately read "1973" (as Zira drunkenly
> > tells Hasslein
> > > when he plies her with "Grape Juice Plus"), and we KNOW that
> > ESCAPE takes
> > > place in 1973, since the Presidential Commission is "dissolved" by its
> > > Chairman in "the year of our Lord, Nineteen-Hundred and
> > Seventy-Three" as he
> > > says before he hits his gavel.
> > >
> > > See ya 'round, Mike. Nice chattin' with ya.
> > >
> > > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > > EARTH-TIME 01-13-2002
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:25 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: We know what?


> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Patrick
> >
> > Until the final line I thought maybe you were starting to believe this
> > creative slant regarding which ship is was, but thankfully you do
realise
> > the "flub"!!!
> >
> > Hope you are not reading me wrong - I love hearing your creative
> > explanations (though I must agree with some "the simpler the better"),
and
> > it is with a great deal of endearing cheek that I sometimes say "explain
> > that one, Patrick".
> >
> > Michael
> >
> Just as long as you don't say something with TWO endearing cheeks,
> like Ace Ventura used to!
> Hey, remember how George Lucas f*cked up royally when he had Han Solo
> tell Obi Wan & Luke how the Millennium Falcon was "the ship that made
> the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs"? (I'm quoting from memory
> here... I can't guarantee it's 100% accurate). George thought that a
> "parsec" was a unit of TIME, not realizing that it's a unit of
> DISTANCE equal to 3.26 Lightyears; whoever it was (probably Alan Dean
> Foster) who wrote the novelization based on the screenplay changed
> "parsecs" to "standard time parts"--correcting Lucas' mistake.
> However... in one of the zillions of STAR WARS knock-offs in the SF
> section of the bookstore, one of the authors has "unflubbed" Lucas'
> "flub", implying that Han was referring to units of distance for a
> reason--that the Kessel Run involved navigating a tricky passage
> through a part of their Galaxy littered with Black Holes... and the
> shortest distance through that dangerzone had to be traveled in the
> shortest possible time at the fastest possible velocity (or SOMETHING
> like that!).
> I'm treating the "mistakes" in the POTA saga in the same way:
> "unflubbing the flubs" in order to make it all make more sense. It's
> just an incredibly lucky coincidence that the 3978-vs-3955 chronometer
> "mistake" can be made sense of through the use of the TV series'
> opening credit sequence (and the EARTH-TIME chronometer reading just
> before their capture by Urko: 3-21-3085). I've taken an unintended
> coincidence and found out a way to reconcile all these bizarre details
> as if they were not originally the mistakes they actually were.
> It might be a zany modus operandi, but what the f*ck, it works for me!
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 01-20-2002
>
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 1:36
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: We know what?
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > > Patrick,
> > > >
> > > > What are you saying? The ship was resurrected and refuellued
> > > and flown by 3
> > > > chimps but they couldn't fix the clock? Hmmmmmm.....
> > > >
> > > > And I would have thought we could pick the date 1973 from the
> > > US President
> > > > who was......what was his name again?
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > >
> > > Michael,
> > > The ship that Milo finds (and that he, Zira and Cornelius fly up to
> > > low-Earth orbit in) is NOT the same ship that Taylor hibernated in.
> > > The PLANET ship did NOT have a "gull-wing-hatch" (out of which the
> > > "Ape-onauts" climb after the ship is beached), but the ESCAPE ship
> > > DOES. They are TWO SEPARATE SHIPS. Whoever landed the ship that Milo
> > > finds left behind the 3 EVA suits (which the apes find and put on).
> > > This ship--actually a shuttlecraft, in my scenario--was the only one
> > > of the three to successfully land the way it was supposed to land: on
> > > its tripodal landing struts--it didn't need to be "resurrected" (you
> > > must be referring to the PLANET ship which sunk in Dead Lake, but this
> > > ship isn't the same ship). And this "third ship" had enough fuel to
> > > re-achieve orbit, having been designed that way. The clocks on this
> > > ship don't need fixing, since they work just fine--it accurately
> > > depicts the final EARTH-TIME (1973) after the trip back through time
> > > from Doomsday (3955), as evidenced by the Chairman of the Presidential
> > > Commission of Inquiry banging his gavel "in the year of our Lord 1973"
> > > etc.
> > > At any rate, that's how I explain away the notorious flubs of Paul
> > > Dehn!
> > >
> > > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > > EARTH-TIME 01-19-2002
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, 14 January 2002 1:38
> > > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Carnivorous Gorillas
> > > >
> > > > And... the "time clocks" can't have broken, as you say, since
> > > the EARTH-TIME
> > > > clock in the ship that the "Ape-onauts" escape the Alpha Omega Bomb
in
> > > > accurately registers the final EARTH-TIME date: 1973.
> > > > Milo reminds Cornelius and Zira about when the clock ticked
> > > backwards before
> > > > Lewis Dixon & Stevie Branton arrive to 'test' them. If the
> > > clock was busted,
> > > > it shouldn't have accurately read "1973" (as Zira drunkenly
> > > tells Hasslein
> > > > when he plies her with "Grape Juice Plus"), and we KNOW that
> > > ESCAPE takes
> > > > place in 1973, since the Presidential Commission is "dissolved" by
its
> > > > Chairman in "the year of our Lord, Nineteen-Hundred and
> > > Seventy-Three" as he
> > > > says before he hits his gavel.
> > > >
> > > > See ya 'round, Mike. Nice chattin' with ya.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > > > EARTH-TIME 01-13-2002
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:25 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hasta La Vista, Burton?

In a message dated 1/20/02 9:01:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

I'm not gonna defend Depardieu's rapist past, so let's drop that,
please

Well, before we do let me say that back in the '70s after I saw Depardieu in a French film called "Going Places" I used to fantasize about doing a faithful adaptation of Boulle's POTA (I had ever since I first read the book when I was 14.), and I always saw Depardieu has a perfect Merou.  This fantasy went on for years.  Now, of course, he's too old and FAT.  Who wants to see him naked!  It's supposed to be a Sci-Fi movie, not a horror picture!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 6:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hasta La Vista, Burton?

In a message dated 1/20/02 9:13:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Say what you want about the French, but if it weren't for them, we
probably wouldn't have defeated the Brits during our War of
Independence--Ben Franklin's popularity with the French (he was the
only American international "superstar" at the time) helped garner
their military support against King George III. And, in the 1880's it
was the French who gave to the US of A our most iconic monument (and
something that every PLANET OF THE APES fan should have strong
feelings about): the Statue of Liberty!
Is "everything that is French good"? Of course not! Just as much of
what America produces is crap (didn't Theodore Sturgeon once say that
99% of EVERYTHING is shit?). Being a Francophile doesn't mean that I
love everything ever done by a Frenchman in the history of the world.
There are particular works of architecture/art/literature/etc. that
were the products of the French that I DO find wonderful, though.
And to call ALL French persons "frogs" is sorta like calling ALL
persons of Germanic descent "nazis", isn't it?
Relax... I know you weren't implying that!

Yeah, I visited Paris for a week exactly a year ago.   France is cool.  Sure the French have done things in the past they should be ashamed of, but hey!  We had slavery here!  And remember that it was France that produced Voltaire.  So there!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA sans Burton

His agent told him that the sequel was already in the can.

It possible, though unlikely.  I doubt they could keep it a secret.  If they had shot it already the fact that Apes opened better than expected but didn't have the legs they expected should give them cause for pause.  If they had pre-shot a sequel to the first one, there's little doubt that they'd shelve it and shoot something else or at least reshoot key scenes.  It could be your friend's agent just didn't think it would be good for his career, or didn't think enough of him to have him try for it.  More than likely though the agent doesn't have enough clout to get him an audition and doesn't want his client to know it.




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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA sans Burton

The only one that shot sequels was "Lord of the Rings",

I'm not sure but I thought that Harry Potter shot some of the sequels as well.