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From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:15 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Check out Table of Contents


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/2/02 9:55:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> Clocks that can tell time by the microsecond, synchronized when
> together at their initial frame of reference, have been separated: one
> remaining stationary, whilst the other is flown in a fast jet
> aircraft. The result? The one that underwent accelerations did not
> click away as many microseconds as the motionless one--and even though
> the acceleration resulted in a velocity that was nowhere near the
> speed of light, it DID cause the "ship-time" clock to dilate at
> exactly the amount Einstein's theory postulates--I'm talking about the
> Lorentz contraction equation: ET = ST/(1 - (v/c)^2).
>
>
> Well, as you know, Patrick, nothing is 'stationary' in the universe,
> and time is, like damn near everything else, 'relative.' It's just
> too bad we humans weren't made to, relatively, travel at super high
> velocities, but the STAR TREK theory of a matter/anti-matter reactor
> creating a magnetic field so strong around a craft that it 'warps' the
> space around it and allows it to slice through space at speeds greater
> than light is a good one, but is it possible? (Alright, get ready for
> another 'relatively' long response from Patrick.)
>
> -- Rory
>
> Hi, Rory (hey, I sound like Scooby Doo saying, 'Hi, Laurie!').
> It doesn't matter that "nothing is 'stationary' in the universe, since
> the diverging of two clocks (EARTH-TIME and the accelerating SHIP-
> TIME) happens after the two clocks were initially synchronized whilst
> occupying the same initial "frame-of-reference". When a ship
> accelerates OUT of that initial "frame" it experiences the Lorentz
> contraction as per Einstein's theory. Relative to each other (prior to
> the start of the acceleration), the two objects (the planet Earth and
> the spaceship) WERE stationary--that is, both occupying that initial
> "frame of reference", which can be thought of as a 4-dimensional
> "spacetime" coordinate (X,Y,Z spatial and T for Time).
>
> As for the StarTrekkian "warp drive" idea... is it possible? Well, a
> guy named Miguel Alcubierre came up with something interesting a few
> years back which shows that in theory we can't rule it out. Look up
> his name on any search engine, and I'm sure you'll find the page which
> depicts his equation for the "metric" (I think that's what he called
> it) and a graphic depiction of the encapsulating warpfield curve. I'll
> see if I can locate the specific page which has it.
>
> As you may recall (if you've read all my postings here, or my postings
> over at the "Ansanaut" website Message Board ("goingfaster")), the
> scenario I've cooked up for my POTA novel-in-progress involves a
> "Hassleinian hyperdrive" which does involve warping spacetime around
> spaceships; the warpfield in question instantaneously (when "engaged")
> zips off at a "refracted lightspeed", since the warpfield sorta fools
> the universe into thinking it is a photon... but not just an ordinary
> photon--rather, a photon that has mass.
> The quick depiction of the warpfield is that an array of high-
> intensity lasers all focus their energy onto a central focal point (of
> a "lasing chamber"), and that energy ["E"] is transformed into mass
> ["m"] via Einstein's famous equation ["E = mc^2"]; however, the mass
> created from that laser light comes into existence at a density that
> is so high (due to the hyperfocusing of the photon beams) that it is
> already a black hole (a very very low-mass black hole--nowhere near
> the mass of naturally-created black holes from exploding giant stars).
> This micro-mass black hole is then topologically deformed by various
> other parts of the "warpdrive", so that it spins hellaciously fast,
> its initially spherical event horizon deforming through various stages
> of oblation until it becomes a flat disc--with its ring-shaped
> singularity now a Naked Singularity.
> Then another part of the warpdrive deforms that Naked Singularity into
> a "cyclic cardioid"--a geometrical 3-dimensional figure that sorta
> looks like what an apple-skin would look like provided the apple's
> insides were gone: the singularity would be at the "cusp" of this
> thing (where the apple's "stem" attaches to the apple). From that
> cusp-point, the warpage extends back, conically fanning out, and then
> expands around and in front, so that a near-spherical spatial
> microcosm is surrounded by this warpage, which "pierces" through the
> surrounding spacetime continuum at the speed of the "substance" it was
> initially made out of: Light (albeit, light which has to "lug around"
> a massive spaceship inside it). This is why (in my explanatory
> scenario) it takes Taylor's ship 2006 years (1972 to 3978) to travel
> only 320 lightyears, and Virdon's ship 9 years (1971 to 1980) to
> travel only 4.34 lightyears. The mass of the ship prevents the
> warpfield from propagating at the same speed as an ordinary (massless)
> ray of light.
>
> You did say to get ready for another "relatively" long response!
>
> By the way, in all the stuff I've read about HOW the Star Trek
> warpdrive supposedly works, I have yet to find out "exactly" WHERE the
> warpage originates, HOW it is actually created (and why do you need
> "dilithium crystals"--what's their function?), how you can have ships
> with any number of warp "nacelles" (I've seen blueprints for 1-
> engined, 2, 3, even 4-engined ships), and so on. Chalk it up to
> "technobabble"--a phenomenon that the non-original-series incarnations
> of Trek makes WAY too much use of.
>
> Of course, my above depiction of my "Hassleinian hyperdrive" probably
> sounds like a similar load of "technobabble" to some of you out there!
> Who am I to complain about TNG, DS9, VOY, & now "Enterprise"?
>
> Toodles! (Hey, how the f**k did THAT get there!)
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 2-03-2002
>
>
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>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:02 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hassleinian Hyperdrive

In a message dated 2/3/02 10:17:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Of course, my above depiction of my "Hassleinian hyperdrive" probably
sounds like a similar load of "technobabble" to some of you out there!
Who am I to complain about TNG, DS9, VOY, & now "Enterprise"?

I've watched every episode of ENTERPRISE so far.  I'm enjoying it.

As you well know, Patrick, the Icarus spacecraft is a highly unlikely one to go at nearly the speed of light -- windows that look out toward the front? -- and more likely a landing craft.  It would have to have somekind of warpfield around it to be traveling through space as seen in the opening of PLANET.  I'm assuming a warpfield protects the craft from the debris it's going to be passing through, and counteracts the increase in mass and length that would destroy the human body?

How would you design a 'fast-as-light' spacecraft, Patrick?  I once saw a concept painting of a craft that had a funnel in front and back.  This spaceship would scoop up the matter it passed through and use it as fuel for thrust, of somekind, that would be expelled out the opposite funnel.  Whenever I dream of the film of Boulle's book that I'd like to see, I imagine a craft of this kind for Professor Antelle's spaceship.  Maybe it wouldn't be appropriate but from the painting I saw it certainly would make a spectacular visual impression as the matter hitting the front funnel puts out a huge lightshow.

-- Rory

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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] We need input. What's new with you?.


> Matt <MTotsky@...> wrote:
> > I know Diamond has the Kubricks out now as well. They are around $12 a
set
> I
> > think.
>
> According to the last issue of Previews, the Kubricks have been held back
> until May (they were supposed to be shipping in Jan/Feb). A two-page
advert
> appeared (twice!) in Previews. (see attachments)
>
> Alan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 7:51
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] What females?

In a message dated 2/3/02 3:47:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Someone spoke recently of the novel of Conquest referring to a female orang
I think?  Anyone help here?

Michael

What's the matter with you, Michael?  There's a female orangutan in the bookstore in CONQUEST -- in the movie!

-- Rory

> apeman@... writes:
>
> << I have seen ONE female gorilla outfit which was a prototype that

> for the 1968 film. It's unclear if it was ever used. >>

Haristas@... wrote:

 Holy Catshit, Batman!   That dumb movie "Cats and Dogs" is getting a sequel.  Now did that make more than POTA 2001?  I don't know, all I do know is I rented it and it was only so-so!  ("Cats and Dogs" too!  Ha! Ha!)

I also rented "Rat Race" over the weekend.  Not too bad, some pretty funny bits.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 11:19 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A plague on Cats and Dogs!

Holy Catshit, Batman!   That dumb movie "Cats and Dogs" is getting a sequel.  Now did that make more than POTA 2001?  I don't know, all I do know is I rented it and it was only so-so!  ("Cats and Dogs" too!  Ha! Ha!)

I also rented "Rat Race" over the weekend.  Not too bad, some pretty funny bits.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 3:14 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!

I've just read on Cinescape.com that a remake of WILLARD starts filming in a month, with Crispin Glover in the title role.

Some of you may remember, like me, the summer of 1971.  ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES was a hit in the early summer, but the rest was ruled by WILLARD, though I've never thought much of the movie.  The summer of '72 saw CONQUEST and a really crappy sequel to WILLARD called BEN.  You might remember the Michael Jackson song from that one.

-- Rory



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Hi guys.  I just wondered if anyone wanted to help here.  I'm writing a story and in it, I want to incorporate something about the religious beliefs of the apes.  Now I haven't actually seen the POTA films in several years (blasphemy), and I remember something about the Lawgiver.  What's his name?

What I'm interested in is an overview of the religion of the apes.  I can refresh this stuff in my memory for myself when I get the dvds next week sometime, but if any of you would care to pontificate, it'd make the story go a little quicker for me.    Is there anything mentioned about religion in the tv series? 

Thanks in advance,

I'll hafta look it up again.

Bri

Kassidy Rae wrote:

 

Hi guys.  I just wondered if anyone wanted to help here.  I'm writing a story and in it, I want to incorporate something about the religious beliefs of the apes.  Now I haven't actually seen the POTA films in several years (blasphemy), and I remember something about the Lawgiver.  What's his name?

What I'm interested in is an overview of the religion of the apes.  I can refresh this stuff in my memory for myself when I get the dvds next week sometime, but if any of you would care to pontificate, it'd make the story go a little quicker for me.    Is there anything mentioned about religion in the tv series?

Thanks in advance,

Kassidy
 

  Brian....sigh

You are being a big butt.  Aren't you?

Semus? maybe? 

"Chuck the Lawgiver" now that's soooo funny.

All kidding aside, the Great Lawgiver was never referred to as anything BUT that in the films.  I do not know if all of the comicbooks and such that came later gave him a name or not.
(I'm such a terrible fan.  I never read any of the comix cuz the art wasn't true-to-form).
What does the rest of the group know?  Anyone?

Brian

Kassidy Rae wrote:

 

  Brian....sigh

You are being a big butt.  Aren't you?

Semus? maybe?

"Chuck the Lawgiver" now that's soooo funny.

Kassidy
 

  MTotsky@... wrote:

In the original Planet of the Apes novel, the Lawgiver's name was "Haristas."

Sounds like a name you would give to a big know-it-all, huh?

Matt

...and the hits just keep comin' (wipes forehead wearily)  thanks guys!

Kassidy

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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

Semus? maybe? 

Yeah, that's it Shamus!
He was Irish.  You can tell from his red hair.
But seriously.  The Lawgiver doesn't have a name.


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  Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/6/02 10:50:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, valwp@... writes:

 

Kassidy,

I hope you have a copy of Boulle's book.  If so, go read chapter 22.  What it says in there is about as deep as, I guess, Boulle wanted to go into the apes' social and religious attitudes and beliefs.  The movies and TV show didn't go very far into the apes religion at all, except that man was evil, shun him, and all that huggermugger.

-- Rory

Finally someone answers besides these freakin' clowns!  ;) 

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [apeman@...]
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2002 3:12
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

Hey leave my weight outta this!!!

All kidding aside, the Great Lawgiver was never referred to as anything BUT that in the films.  I do not know if all of the comicbooks and such that came later gave him a name or not.
(I'm such a terrible fan.  I never read any of the comix cuz the art wasn't true-to-form).
What does the rest of the group know?  Anyone?

Brian

Kassidy Rae wrote:

 

  Brian....sigh

You are being a big butt.  Aren't you?

Semus? maybe?

"Chuck the Lawgiver" now that's soooo funny.

Kassidy
 

---

  MTotsky@... wrote:

In the original Planet of the Apes novel, the Lawgiver's name was "Haristas."

Sounds like a name you would give to a big know-it-all, huh?

Matt

...and the hits just keep comin' (wipes forehead wearily)  thanks guys!

Kassidy

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2002 6:10
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

  You're probably thinking of Semos, the religious figure of Burton's apes. None of the figures are given names except Haristas in the Boulle book, the Lawgiver in the originals and Semos in the Burton thing. They don't go into religion very much. It's basically a play on Judeo-Christian beliefs using apes instead of people. Oh, and in the TV show they believed in "gods", not God. And though they had the small Lawgiver statue around, they never mentioned him.

                                                             - - - Jeff

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name

Semus? maybe? 

Yeah, that's it Shamus!
He was Irish.  You can tell from his red hair.
But seriously.  The Lawgiver doesn't have a name.


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  Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Hey thanks - I'll use that very one as a matter of fact. 

From: veetus@... [veetus@...]

  Oh, and in the TV show they believed in "gods", not God. And though they had the small Lawgiver statue around, they never mentioned him.

                                                             - - - Jeff

Much appreciated.  I'm glad, because I just used that in part of the story.

kassidy

 

>Hi guys. I just wondered if anyone wanted to help here. I'm writing a

> In a message dated 2/6/02 3:33:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> This summer I got a not especially good copy of The Mole People at the

> Festival. Anyone remember that one?

> No, but I remember that episode of The Tick...
>
> -Joe


>> In a message dated 2/6/02 3:33:58 AM Central Standard Time,
>> LordTZer0@... writes:

>> This summer I got a not especially good copy of The Mole People at the

>> Festival. Anyone remember that one? >>

Click here: Top 250 films

Where do YOU think 'you-know-what' should rank?

> I know the TV series DVD set is old news by now, but I never got
> around to
> posting my thoughts.
>
> The bottom line is that I love the damn thing. I think the three
> main
> characters (and actors for that matter) are great. Urko and Zaius
> are cool
> too, I just wish they figured into more of the plots.
>
> I know the shortcomings of the series have been discussed ad
> nauseum, so I
> won't get into that - and besides they really don't bug me that
> much. The
> bottom line is that each episode is great fun. I kind of felt sad at
> the end
> of the final episode, knowing that there are no more adventures for
> these
> cool characters. I wish FOX could have wrapped it up somehow,
> perhaps with a
> TV movie while Roddy was still alive. I think a great ending would
> be the
> Boulle (aka the POTA 2001) ending - Virdon and Burke finally making
> it home,
> but when they return they find that Earth has already been taken
> over by Apes.
>
> I'm glad this set is out on DVD. I actually saw it for the first
> time since I
> was a kid towards the end of 2000. It turned out that one of my
> co-workers
> had the whole thing on VHS so I was finally able to check it out.
> For me it
> was almost like a whole new Apes movie series. It was so fresh. The
> only
> memories I really had from the original run were just a few
> snapshots: Burke
> fighting with Urko in "The Trap" and Virdon and Burke checking out
> those old
> history books in the initial episode, etc. I think I am going to
> make it an
> annual tradition to watch the series around Christmas every year.
>
> POTA: The TV Series is now officially my second favortie Apes
> project, behind
> the original film. Here's my personal list:
>
> 1. POTA: 1968
> 2. POTA: The TV Series
> 3. ESCAPE
> 4. CONQUEST
> 5. BENEATH
> 6. POTA 2001
> 7. BATTLE
>
> I've never seen the cartoon series so I can't comment on that.
>
> Matt

In a message dated 1/27/02 2:47:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I don't blame Naughton, if that's his attitude.  The TV show was only five or six months of his life, it wasn't Shakespeare, and he's done a lot more he no doubt finds much more interesting to talk about.  Maybe if, like the rest of you, he'd been a kid in the seventies and had watched himself and collected his own Mego figure he'd be more into it.  I saw him recently on an episode of A&E's 100 CENTER STREET and he was excellent.  He's a much better actor now than he was in '74.

-- Rory

Lest we all forget, February 8th is the 34th anniversary of the world premiere of a movie called PLANET OF THE APES.  Maybe you remember it?  I was going to scan an ad I copied at the library from the New York Times of PLANET's opening day, but it didn't come out well and you probably wouldn't be able to read the fine print.

Anyway, the play times for PLANET on Feb. 8th at Loew's Capital theatre on Broadway and 51st St. were 10:00, 12:10, 2:25, 4:35, 6:50, 8:50 and 10:50.  (It also played at the 72nd Street Playhouse.)  This Friday I'm going to try and watch PLANET at one of those times.  Anyone else?

And I've attached this before, but here again is what PLANET made in it's first five days.

-- Rory 

   I remember the night they aired "The Gladiator" episode of "Apes" back in Fall '74 (by cracky!). Right after, CBS showed "Willard", maybe it's TV premiere. Since then I've always connected "Apes" and "Willard". I'd always watch them when they were on. I read the book "Willard" was based on ("Ratman's Notebook"). I even had the Michael Jackson "Ben" single! I guess I'm a fan. I've always liked sinister movies with animals. "Jaws" is another. Not the "Lassie" stuff. If I was a film director "Willard is one I might attempt. Question, class: If you were a filmmaker, what remake, comic book or TV show would you do to create a new franchise, one that hasn't been done recently (or hasn't been announced)?                                    - - - - Jeff

 

  That's pretty cool. And Brent and Nova look like Han and Leia in the "Empire Strikes Back" poster. POTA beats "Star Wars" again.

 

                                                                 - - - Jeff

 

 

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Hey, what do you 'primates' think of this poster?  Pretty cool looking, I think.  I like how they put the spaceship into it.

-- Rory

B

Chris Lawless wrote:

I like the addition of the crucified apes and the circular tunnel Brent and Nova are walking through. BTW, can anyone figure out who the person is on the lower right side of the poster? It looks like Brent leaping away from something.  Chris L.  PS to Jeff- I don't remember Han ever choking Leia in Empire...   :-)   
  On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:25:33 -0800 <veetus@...> writes:

  That's pretty cool. And Brent and Nova look like Han and Leia in the "Empire Strikes Back" poster. POTA beats "Star Wars" again.                                                                  - - - Jeff  

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 Click here: eBay item 1504199860 (Ends Jan-29-02 05:40:15 PST ) - BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES JAPAN POSTER

Hey, what do you 'primates' think of this poster?  Pretty cool looking, I think.  I like how they put the spaceship into it.

-- Rory
 

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> In a message dated 2/6/02 1:17:41 AM, veetus@... writes:
>
> << If I was a film director "Willard is one I might attempt. Question, class:
> If you were a filmmaker, what remake, comic book or TV show would you do to
> create a new franchise, one that hasn't been done recently (or hasn't been
> announced)? >>
>
> Well if it was me, I would take a crack at some of the comics properties. The
> Fantastic Four would be at the top of my list, maybe the Avengers or the
> Justice League. I always thought the Watchmen would have made a great film
> (it is even drawn like a movie in my opinion). I always preferred Marvel over
> DC. I hope they don't mess up the upcoming Spiderman, Daredevil and the Hulk
> films. I have no idea why the Batman films had to be such a mess. The
> creators of the Batman: The Animated Series proved that comics stories can
> make powerful tales on the small screen.
>
> I always wondered why they didn't do more Wizard of Oz films. Is it because
> the original film is such a classic? I know there was a Return to Oz film of
> some sort in the 1980s, but I have never seen it. I used to read the original
> set of novels by L. Frank Baum as a kid and thought they would have made
> great movies. There were a bunch of crazy characters in those. There's a
> franchise waiting to happen in my opinion.
>
> And finally, if I was a director with any sort of influence, I would revive
> the POTA TV show and finally wrap the thing up. I would get Harper and
> Naugton to reprise their roles. Perhaps hire Lou Wagner to play Galen or
> create a new role just for him. The Apemania guys could do the makeup and
> Rory Monteith could write the script. It would be grand!
>
> Cool thread Jeff!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:06 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] A gorilla to remember.

Lest we all forget, February 8th is the 34th anniversary of the world premiere of a movie called PLANET OF THE APES.  Maybe you remember it?  I was going to scan an ad I copied at the library from the New York Times of PLANET's opening day, but it didn't come out well and you probably wouldn't be able to read the fine print.

Anyway, the play times for PLANET on Feb. 8th at Loew's Capital theatre on Broadway and 51st St. were 10:00, 12:10, 2:25, 4:35, 6:50, 8:50 and 10:50.  (It also played at the 72nd Street Playhouse.)  This Friday I'm going to try and watch PLANET at one of those times.  Anyone else?

And I've attached this before, but here again is what PLANET made in it's first five days.

-- Rory 

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> There was also an episode of the old 60's Spiderman series where he
> fought the Mole People. One of the more surrealistic episodes for those
> of you who remember that show.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:45:52 EST CheeseGOTAS@... writes:
>
> > No, but I remember that episode of The Tick...
> >
> > -Joe
>
>
> >> In a message dated 2/6/02 3:33:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> >> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> >> This summer I got a not especially good copy of The Mole People at the
> Film
> >> Festival. Anyone remember that one? >>
> ____

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I like the addition of the crucified apes and the circular tunnel Brent and Nova are walking through. BTW, can anyone figure out who the person is on the lower right side of the poster? It looks like Brent leaping away from something.

 

 

Chris L.

 

 

PS to Jeff- I don't remember Han ever choking Leia in Empire...   :-)

 

 

 

 

On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:25:33 -0800 <veetus@...> writes:

  That's pretty cool. And Brent and Nova look like Han and Leia in the "Empire Strikes Back" poster. POTA beats "Star Wars" again.

 

                                                                 - - - Jeff

 

 

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Hey, what do you 'primates' think of this poster?  Pretty cool looking, I think.  I like how they put the spaceship into it.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!


>
> In a message dated 2/6/02 1:17:41 AM, veetus@... writes:
>
> << If I was a film director "Willard is one I might attempt. Question,
class:
> If you were a filmmaker, what remake, comic book or TV show would you do
to
> create a new franchise, one that hasn't been done recently (or hasn't been
> announced)? >>
>
> Well if it was me, I would take a crack at some of the comics properties.
The
> Fantastic Four would be at the top of my list, maybe the Avengers or the
> Justice League. I always thought the Watchmen would have made a great film
> (it is even drawn like a movie in my opinion). I always preferred Marvel
over
> DC. I hope they don't mess up the upcoming Spiderman, Daredevil and the
Hulk
> films. I have no idea why the Batman films had to be such a mess. The
> creators of the Batman: The Animated Series proved that comics stories can
> make powerful tales on the small screen.
>
> I always wondered why they didn't do more Wizard of Oz films. Is it
because
> the original film is such a classic? I know there was a Return to Oz film
of
> some sort in the 1980s, but I have never seen it. I used to read the
original
> set of novels by L. Frank Baum as a kid and thought they would have made
> great movies. There were a bunch of crazy characters in those. There's a
> franchise waiting to happen in my opinion.
>
> And finally, if I was a director with any sort of influence, I would
revive
> the POTA TV show and finally wrap the thing up. I would get Harper and
> Naugton to reprise their roles. Perhaps hire Lou Wagner to play Galen or
> create a new role just for him. The Apemania guys could do the makeup and
> Rory Monteith could write the script. It would be grand!
>
> Cool thread Jeff!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Good answers, Matt. "Watchmen" was attempted by Terry Gilliam and he
> finally deemed it "unfilmable". I hear they are going to attempt it again
> (without Gilliam). "Fantastic 4" has been in the works for years, at one
> time by Chris Columbus (now Mr. Belle of the Ball thanks to "Harry Potter").
> Sounds like they're having trouble getting the budget down. It would be
> tough to get the rights straightened out for an "Avengers" or "Justice
> League" thing, like the problems they're having clearing an "Alien vs.
> Predator" flick. I read they are jumping through hoops just to get "Batman"
> a guest appearance on the Superman "Smallville" show. "Wizard of Oz": a
> couple years ago there was going to be a TV version brought to you by our
> own Tim Burton. It fell through but I bet someone will take a "Wiz" soon in
> our remake-happy times. This is Jeff reporting from Hollywood.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
>
> >
> > In a message dated 2/6/02 1:17:41 AM, veetus@... writes:
> >
> > << If I was a film director "Willard is one I might attempt. Question,
> class:
> > If you were a filmmaker, what remake, comic book or TV show would you do
> to
> > create a new franchise, one that hasn't been done recently (or hasn't been
> > announced)? >>
> >
> > Well if it was me, I would take a crack at some of the comics properties.
> The
> > Fantastic Four would be at the top of my list, maybe the Avengers or the
> > Justice League. I always thought the Watchmen would have made a great film
> > (it is even drawn like a movie in my opinion). I always preferred Marvel
> over
> > DC. I hope they don't mess up the upcoming Spiderman, Daredevil and the
> Hulk
> > films. I have no idea why the Batman films had to be such a mess. The
> > creators of the Batman: The Animated Series proved that comics stories can
> > make powerful tales on the small screen.
> >
> > I always wondered why they didn't do more Wizard of Oz films. Is it
> because
> > the original film is such a classic? I know there was a Return to Oz film
> of
> > some sort in the 1980s, but I have never seen it. I used to read the
> original
> > set of novels by L. Frank Baum as a kid and thought they would have made
> > great movies. There were a bunch of crazy characters in those. There's a
> > franchise waiting to happen in my opinion.
> >
> > And finally, if I was a director with any sort of influence, I would
> revive
> > the POTA TV show and finally wrap the thing up. I would get Harper and
> > Naugton to reprise their roles. Perhaps hire Lou Wagner to play Galen or
> > create a new role just for him. The Apemania guys could do the makeup and
> > Rory Monteith could write the script. It would be grand!
> >
> > Cool thread Jeff!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

> Good answers, Matt. "Watchmen" was attempted by Terry Gilliam and he
> finally deemed it "unfilmable". I hear they are going to attempt it again
> (without Gilliam). "Fantastic 4" has been in the works for years, at one
> time by Chris Columbus (now Mr. Belle of the Ball thanks to "Harry Potter").
> Sounds like they're having trouble getting the budget down. It would be
> tough to get the rights straightened out for an "Avengers" or "Justice
> League" thing, like the problems they're having clearing an "Alien vs.
> Predator" flick. I read they are jumping through hoops just to get "Batman"
> a guest appearance on the Superman "Smallville" show. "Wizard of Oz": a
> couple years ago there was going to be a TV version brought to you by our
> own Tim Burton. It fell through but I bet someone will take a "Wiz" soon in
> our remake-happy times. This is Jeff reporting from Hollywood.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
>
> >
> > In a message dated 2/6/02 1:17:41 AM, veetus@... writes:
> >
> > << If I was a film director "Willard is one I might attempt. Question,
> class:
> > If you were a filmmaker, what remake, comic book or TV show would you do
> to
> > create a new franchise, one that hasn't been done recently (or hasn't been
> > announced)? >>
> >
> > Well if it was me, I would take a crack at some of the comics properties.
> The
> > Fantastic Four would be at the top of my list, maybe the Avengers or the
> > Justice League. I always thought the Watchmen would have made a great film
> > (it is even drawn like a movie in my opinion). I always preferred Marvel
> over
> > DC. I hope they don't mess up the upcoming Spiderman, Daredevil and the
> Hulk
> > films. I have no idea why the Batman films had to be such a mess. The
> > creators of the Batman: The Animated Series proved that comics stories can
> > make powerful tales on the small screen.
> >
> > I always wondered why they didn't do more Wizard of Oz films. Is it
> because
> > the original film is such a classic? I know there was a Return to Oz film
> of
> > some sort in the 1980s, but I have never seen it. I used to read the
> original
> > set of novels by L. Frank Baum as a kid and thought they would have made
> > great movies. There were a bunch of crazy characters in those. There's a
> > franchise waiting to happen in my opinion.
> >
> > And finally, if I was a director with any sort of influence, I would
> revive
> > the POTA TV show and finally wrap the thing up. I would get Harper and
> > Naugton to reprise their roles. Perhaps hire Lou Wagner to play Galen or
> > create a new role just for him. The Apemania guys could do the makeup and
> > Rory Monteith could write the script. It would be grand!
> >
> > Cool thread Jeff!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

> From: <MTotsky@a...>
>>I always wondered why they didn't do more Wizard of Oz films. Is it

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!


> Oh, and I believe Fox have the rights for Fantastic 4 and in fact a
completed
> version made in the early 90's starring Jay Underwood is sitting on the
shelf
> never to see the light of day because of the more recent Fox deal. It's
> clobberin' time!
>
> veetus@... wrote:
>
> > Good answers, Matt. "Watchmen" was attempted by Terry Gilliam and he
> > finally deemed it "unfilmable". I hear they are going to attempt it
again
> > (without Gilliam). "Fantastic 4" has been in the works for years, at one
> > time by Chris Columbus (now Mr. Belle of the Ball thanks to "Harry
Potter").
> > Sounds like they're having trouble getting the budget down. It would be
> > tough to get the rights straightened out for an "Avengers" or "Justice
> > League" thing, like the problems they're having clearing an "Alien vs.
> > Predator" flick. I read they are jumping through hoops just to get
"Batman"
> > a guest appearance on the Superman "Smallville" show. "Wizard of Oz": a
> > couple years ago there was going to be a TV version brought to you by
our
> > own Tim Burton. It fell through but I bet someone will take a "Wiz" soon
in
> > our remake-happy times. This is Jeff reporting from Hollywood.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <MTotsky@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/6/02 1:17:41 AM, veetus@... writes:
> > >
> > > << If I was a film director "Willard is one I might attempt. Question,
> > class:
> > > If you were a filmmaker, what remake, comic book or TV show would you
do
> > to
> > > create a new franchise, one that hasn't been done recently (or hasn't
been
> > > announced)? >>
> > >
> > > Well if it was me, I would take a crack at some of the comics
properties.
> > The
> > > Fantastic Four would be at the top of my list, maybe the Avengers or
the
> > > Justice League. I always thought the Watchmen would have made a great
film
> > > (it is even drawn like a movie in my opinion). I always preferred
Marvel
> > over
> > > DC. I hope they don't mess up the upcoming Spiderman, Daredevil and
the
> > Hulk
> > > films. I have no idea why the Batman films had to be such a mess. The
> > > creators of the Batman: The Animated Series proved that comics stories
can
> > > make powerful tales on the small screen.
> > >
> > > I always wondered why they didn't do more Wizard of Oz films. Is it
> > because
> > > the original film is such a classic? I know there was a Return to Oz
film
> > of
> > > some sort in the 1980s, but I have never seen it. I used to read the
> > original
> > > set of novels by L. Frank Baum as a kid and thought they would have
made
> > > great movies. There were a bunch of crazy characters in those. There's
a
> > > franchise waiting to happen in my opinion.
> > >
> > > And finally, if I was a director with any sort of influence, I would
> > revive
> > > the POTA TV show and finally wrap the thing up. I would get Harper and
> > > Naugton to reprise their roles. Perhaps hire Lou Wagner to play Galen
or
> > > create a new role just for him. The Apemania guys could do the makeup
and
> > > Rory Monteith could write the script. It would be grand!
> > >
> > > Cool thread Jeff!
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!


> Not sitting on the shelf. The early '90's "Fantastic 4" is a popular
> bootleg item at conventions. As with "The Star Wars Holiday Special" and
> "The Beatles" cartoons, suppression is not making this stuff go away. It's
> just that the people who could be profiting from official release
> en't. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
>
>
> > Oh, and I believe Fox have the rights for Fantastic 4 and in fact a
> completed
> > version made in the early 90's starring Jay Underwood is sitting on the
> shelf
> > never to see the light of day because of the more recent Fox deal. It's
> > clobberin' time!
> >
> > veetus@... wrote:
> >
> > > Good answers, Matt. "Watchmen" was attempted by Terry Gilliam and he
> > > finally deemed it "unfilmable". I hear they are going to attempt it
> again
> > > (without Gilliam). "Fantastic 4" has been in the works for years, at
one
> > > time by Chris Columbus (now Mr. Belle of the Ball thanks to "Harry
> Potter").
> > > Sounds like they're having trouble getting the budget down. It would
be
> > > tough to get the rights straightened out for an "Avengers" or "Justice
> > > League" thing, like the problems they're having clearing an "Alien vs.
> > > Predator" flick. I read they are jumping through hoops just to get
> "Batman"
> > > a guest appearance on the Superman "Smallville" show. "Wizard of Oz":
a
> > > couple years ago there was going to be a TV version brought to you by
> our
> > > own Tim Burton. It fell through but I bet someone will take a "Wiz"
soon
> in
> > > our remake-happy times. This is Jeff reporting from Hollywood.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <MTotsky@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 7:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 2/6/02 1:17:41 AM, veetus@... writes:
> > > >
> > > > << If I was a film director "Willard is one I might attempt.
Question,
> > > class:
> > > > If you were a filmmaker, what remake, comic book or TV show would
you
> do
> > > to
> > > > create a new franchise, one that hasn't been done recently (or
hasn't
> been
> > > > announced)? >>
> > > >
> > > > Well if it was me, I would take a crack at some of the comics
> properties.
> > > The
> > > > Fantastic Four would be at the top of my list, maybe the Avengers or
> the
> > > > Justice League. I always thought the Watchmen would have made a
great
> film
> > > > (it is even drawn like a movie in my opinion). I always preferred
> Marvel
> > > over
> > > > DC. I hope they don't mess up the upcoming Spiderman, Daredevil and
> the
> > > Hulk
> > > > films. I have no idea why the Batman films had to be such a mess.
The
> > > > creators of the Batman: The Animated Series proved that comics
stories
> can
> > > > make powerful tales on the small screen.
> > > >
> > > > I always wondered why they didn't do more Wizard of Oz films. Is it
> > > because
> > > > the original film is such a classic? I know there was a Return to Oz
> film
> > > of
> > > > some sort in the 1980s, but I have never seen it. I used to read the
> > > original
> > > > set of novels by L. Frank Baum as a kid and thought they would have
> made
> > > > great movies. There were a bunch of crazy characters in those.
There's
> a
> > > > franchise waiting to happen in my opinion.
> > > >
> > > > And finally, if I was a director with any sort of influence, I would
> > > revive
> > > > the POTA TV show and finally wrap the thing up. I would get Harper
and
> > > > Naugton to reprise their roles. Perhaps hire Lou Wagner to play
Galen
> or
> > > > create a new role just for him. The Apemania guys could do the
makeup
> and
> > > > Rory Monteith could write the script. It would be grand!
> > > >
> > > > Cool thread Jeff!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Friday, 8 February 2002 13:52
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!

We're in for the OZ sequels

Speaking of Oz . . . Isn't it funny Michael, all that trouble with the Mad Max video and then they go and release the DVD with the original Australian voice tracks.  Isn't that always the way?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Friday, 8 February 2002 16:55
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
>
>
> Not sitting on the shelf. The early '90's "Fantastic 4" is a popular
> bootleg item at conventions. As with "The Star Wars Holiday Special" and
> "The Beatles" cartoons, suppression is not making this stuff go away. It's
> just that the people who could be profiting from official release
> en't. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken & Heather Taylor" <kentaylor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
>
>
> > Oh, and I believe Fox have the rights for Fantastic 4 and in fact a
> completed
> > version made in the early 90's starring Jay Underwood is sitting on the
> shelf

 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sand_hill_school@... [sand_hill_school@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2002 0:33
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] H sent you a Yahoo! Greeting

> Surprise! You've just received a Yahoo! Greeting

> -----Original Message-----
> From: MTotsky@... [MTotsky@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2002 1:24
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More remakes!
>
>
> In a message dated Fri, 8 Feb 2002 1:02:32 AM Eastern Standard
> Time, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> writes:
>
> <<"The Star Wars Holiday Special" what's that?>>
>
> It was a live action TV show that came out between Star Wars and
> The Empire Strikes Back. It takes place on Chewbacca's home
> planet and features his family (I think his son's name was
> Lumpy). Luke, C3P0 and R2D2 show up as well I think (as do TV
> actors Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman). It is extremely cheesy. I
> had fond memories of it as a kid, but I saw it again about 5
> years ago on a bootleg and it was almost painful to watch. I
> think Lucas just wishes it would be forgotten, although there is
> a section about it in the book "Star Wars Chronicles." It is
> notable because it features the first appearance of Boba Fett in
> an animated piece. I think you can see part of that right now at
> starwars.com in a recent featurette about the evolution of the
> Fett character.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>From: LordTZer0@...
>Subject: Re: More remakes!
>Chewbacca is a Wookie. He lives on the planet Endor with a bunch of little
>Ewoks. That Does Not Make Sense! If that does not make sense, then you

>acquit. Look at the monkey. Look at the monkey. I rest my case.

> Wow - how embarassing for Mr Lucas!

> Well if it was me, I would take a crack at some of the comics properties.

> Fantastic Four would be at the top of my list, maybe the Avengers or the
> Justice League.

> Oh, and I believe Fox have the rights for Fantastic 4 and in fact a

> version made in the early 90's starring Jay Underwood is sitting on the

> never to see the light of day because of the more recent Fox deal. It's
> clobberin' time!

> If you went to the movies a lot as a kid, it's VERY COOL to go find your
> local paper on microfilm and look up when movies played and the ads they

> for them. It's the next best thing to having a time machine.

>I think, based on a few other details I remember, that I'd actually

> work out the exact date and time of the TV screening of Battle that

> hooked me! That'd be nice to know (for me only perhaps).
>
> Alan

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Lawgiver's name
>Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:48:45 EST
>
>In a message dated 2/6/02 3:54:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > You will find various quotes from scriptures scattered through the films
> > ("Beware the beast man") that you can quote from.
> >
> > Paul Williams' character in Battle - was he the first lawgiver?
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>There was only one Lawgiver. As Zaius said in PLANET, "The greatest ape of
>them all." That's why those Medicom Japs called him the "Greatest Ape."
>
>-- Rory (aka Mr. Know-it-all)
>