Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> > Oh, "I Am Legend". Looks like it's going ahead. The road block was
> > Ah-nuld, but he's agreed to produce, so Will Smith can star and Michael

bay

> > can direct.
>
> I can't wait to read Alan's comments on this!

Will Smith? Michael Bay?

I think I'm going to be sick. Well, at least we have the book and a couple
of decent film versions. I am getting a bit pissed off with all these bloody
remakes though. It's bad enough that Hollywood is churning out so many bad
films these days without them being bad and unoriginal too.

Alan

"Eileen Rankin" <emr1623@...> wrote:

>peeps!!!! check your TIMELINES!!!! First tower of the WTC was completed in
>1970...second one didn't come around till 1972. If the movie was released

in >1970, then filming was probably 1969... no WTC (or at least a bunch of

>scaffolds and cranes and I-Beams).

No, but they'd have a fair idea of how it looked.

Sorry, Rory said he didn't want an argument about this. I'll go quietly...

Alan

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> I have them all to and I have a turntable.
>
> If you can re-ask all questions not answered so far, I will attempt to
> re-answer.

I was curious as to the content of the "Ape Shuffle" and "Planet of the
Apes/Star Trek" records. Any idea what these things are? I am particularly
interested in what on Earth "Escape to Tomorrow" is, on the B-side of Ape
Shuffle.

Alan

"Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:

> Months ago I converted them to both CD and mp3 format but they are a

little

> scratchy. I don't have a web site and haven't used a file sharing program
> since napster, but if I knew a way to make the mp3s available to the group

I

> would.
>
> 14302145 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Battle_Of_Two_Worlds.mp3
> 11233488 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Dawn_Of_The_Tree_People.mp3
> 11962827 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Mountain_Of_The_Delphi.mp3
> 9143806 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Volcano.mp3

I think Yahoo has a files section - depending on the size of the files, you
could upload them there. Please! (I'm desperate - I've never heard any of
the above)

Alan

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

> Blew who, Jeff? Anyway, for the first time in years I didn't bother
> watching more than a few minutes of the Oscars.

I watched the Oscars, as I do every year. It wouldn't be so bad, except that
due to the time difference in the UK I don't go to bed until 6am!

Alan

"Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...> wrote:

> Alan, somebody told me you'd written a fiction about the tv series. Any

chance of emailing it to me? I'd love to read it.

I wish I could, but unfortunately I don't seem to have it anywhere. It was
in an issue of Ape Chronicles, but I can't find my original copy.

If it's any consolation, you're not missing much. It was rubbish.

Alan

>
>> 14302145 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Battle_Of_Two_Worlds.mp3
>> 11233488 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Dawn_Of_The_Tree_People.mp3
>> 11962827 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Mountain_Of_The_Delphi.mp3
>> 9143806 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Volcano.mp3
>
>I think Yahoo has a files section - depending on the size of the files, you
>could upload them there. Please! (I'm desperate - I've never heard any of
>the above)
>
>Alan
>

I've had several requests for these, but I can't seem to access the
files section since I don't have a Yahoo email address. The file sizes
are from 9MB to 14MB.

"Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:

> I've had several requests for these, but I can't seem to access the
> files section since I don't have a Yahoo email address. The file sizes
> are from 9MB to 14MB.

You don't need to have a Yahoo email address, just be registered with them
(a lot of people such as myself are only registered for the purposes of
posting to lists like this).

It doesn't really matter though, as I think the files section can only hold
about 20Mb anyway. And besides, us poor little modem users wouldn't stand a
chance anyway!

Guess I'll just have to keep searching for the records themselves.

Alan

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 4:33
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Time Machine
>
>
> Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> > > Oh, "I Am Legend". Looks like it's going ahead. The road block was
> > > Ah-nuld, but he's agreed to produce, so Will Smith can star
> and Michael
> bay
> > > can direct.
> >
> > I can't wait to read Alan's comments on this!
>
> Will Smith? Michael Bay?
>
> I think I'm going to be sick. Well, at least we have the book and a couple
> of decent film versions. I am getting a bit pissed off with all
> these bloody
> remakes though. It's bad enough that Hollywood is churning out so many bad
> films these days without them being bad and unoriginal too.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

If it's any consolation, you're not missing much. It is rubbish.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 4:36
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Questions on collectibles
>
>
> "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > Months ago I converted them to both CD and mp3 format but they are a
> little
> > scratchy. I don't have a web site and haven't used a file
> sharing program
> > since napster, but if I knew a way to make the mp3s available
> to the group
> I
> > would.
> >
> > 14302145 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Battle_Of_Two_Worlds.mp3
> > 11233488 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Dawn_Of_The_Tree_People.mp3
> > 11962827 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Mountain_Of_The_Delphi.mp3
> > 9143806 Oct 3 2000 Planet_Of_The_Apes-Volcano.mp3
>
> I think Yahoo has a files section - depending on the size of the
> files, you
> could upload them there. Please! (I'm desperate - I've never heard any of
> the above)
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

My twins are being delivered today so I will have a bit of spare time.

Send me your postal via private and I will tape and send to you.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:47
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Questions on collectibles
>
>
> "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > I've had several requests for these, but I can't seem to access the
> > files section since I don't have a Yahoo email address. The file sizes
> > are from 9MB to 14MB.
>
> You don't need to have a Yahoo email address, just be registered with them
> (a lot of people such as myself are only registered for the purposes of
> posting to lists like this).
>
> It doesn't really matter though, as I think the files section can
> only hold
> about 20Mb anyway. And besides, us poor little modem users
> wouldn't stand a
> chance anyway!
>
> Guess I'll just have to keep searching for the records themselves.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 4/2/02 3:51:28 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

<< So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

Michael >>

I liked the re-make of Dune.

-Joe

.htmlIn a message dated 4/2/02 4:51:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

Michael

Jeff would say "The Fly," but I don't see it.  "The Thing" could have been great, but they let the SFX get away, also they forgot about suspense.  I don't know, I guess I can't think of one off hand.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/2/02 4:52:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

If it's any consolation, you're not missing much. It is rubbish.

Michael

Are you talking about the Burton movie?   Actually, I think POTA got the bad rep for being 'cheese' because a lot of what's been done is rubbish.

-- Rory <.html

Attachments :

For those that are interested, here's a pic ( although not a very good one)
of the 'pacifist version' Galen parachutist. I believe there is also a
'pacifist' Zaius, but I've never seen one ( yet ). Also Alan, thanks for
reminding me about that foreign comic, I no longer have your address, please
email me privately so I can get off my bum and send you a photocopy.
Best,
KEN

The one I've seen is with the rifle - but either way, I still find the
notion of a parachutist chimp to be a completely bizarre merchandising
tie-in!

(So bizarre that I just had to buy one, obviously)

Alan
PS Thanks to Ken for the answers to my various memorabilia questions!

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he one I've seen is with the rifle - but either way, I still find the
notion of a parachutist chimp to be a completely bizarre merchandising
tie-in!

Only as bizarre as a chimp hang gliding.

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My twins are being delivered today so I will have a bit of spare time.

I have some spare time.  I'd like to have twins delivered.  Twin girls in their late teens or early twenties, preferably blondes.  Oooooowaaaahhh....  Sorry I couldn't resist.  Congrats!

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/2/2002 3:50:34 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

I'd like to see a good update of Forbidden Planet, or The Day the Earth Stood Still.

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/2/02 7:15:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

I'd like to see a good update of Forbidden Planet, or The Day the Earth Stood Still.



Both of those have been talked about for remakes, but so far nothing has gotten off the ground.

-- Rory<.html

In a message dated 4/2/02 10:39:17 PM, Haristas@... writes:

<< Both of those have been talked about for remakes, but so far nothing has
gotten off the ground. >>

Thank god...why remake the classics? Yes, I admit Forbidden Planet is a bit
campy, but I still love it.

Matt

Wow! Congrats, Whittey. Hope everything went alright.
- - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Questions on collectibles


> My twins are being delivered today so I will have a bit of spare time.
>
> Send me your postal via private and I will tape and send to you.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:47
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Questions on collectibles
> >
> >
> > "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > > I've had several requests for these, but I can't seem to access the
> > > files section since I don't have a Yahoo email address. The file
sizes
> > > are from 9MB to 14MB.
> >
> > You don't need to have a Yahoo email address, just be registered with
them
> > (a lot of people such as myself are only registered for the purposes of
> > posting to lists like this).
> >
> > It doesn't really matter though, as I think the files section can
> > only hold
> > about 20Mb anyway. And besides, us poor little modem users
> > wouldn't stand a
> > chance anyway!
> >
> > Guess I'll just have to keep searching for the records themselves.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I guess"Dune" is a remake. I liked it but it was too stagey. A good "Dune"
would be somewhere between the visuals of the movie and the storytelling of
the miniseries. By the way, they announced today in "Variety" that the new
"Dune" miniseries starts filming tomorrow for 4 months. It will be the next
2 books, will be called "Children of Dune" and will clock at 6 hrs. Susan
Sarandon will star (as Wensicia) and it will broadcast in '03. There's going
to be a special edition DVD of the first one this summer. And to think
Arthur Jacobs tried to do this 30 years ago.
Spam. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question


> In a message dated 4/2/02 3:51:28 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> << So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?
>
> Michael >>
>
> I liked the re-make of Dune.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question

In a message dated 4/2/02 4:51:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

Michael

Jeff would say "The Fly," but I don't see it.  "The Thing" could have been great, but they let the SFX get away, also they forgot about suspense.  I don't know, I guess I can't think of one off hand.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Questions on collectibles

In a message dated 4/2/02 4:52:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

If it's any consolation, you're not missing much. It is rubbish.

Michael

Are you talking about the Burton movie?   Actually, I think POTA got the bad rep for being 'cheese' because a lot of what's been done is rubbish.

-- Rory

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.html Didn't Cameron also do that really cool remake of "THEM" back in 1986?  You know, the one with the mute kid with the doll-less head and the big Queen bug living under the city that they had to burn out with flamethrowers just like James Whitmore did in the original?

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Jeff DOES say "The Fly" . Two interesting remakes coming from the James Cameron camp. Steven Soderbergh is doing "Solaris" for Cameron, which should be out at the end of the year. And Dean Devlin says Cameron wants to direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage". Why oh why didn't he do "Apes"? Spam.  - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question

 In a message dated 4/2/02 4:51:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
 
 

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

Michael
 

Jeff would say "The Fly," but I don't see it.  "The Thing" could have been great, but they let the SFX get away, also they forgot about suspense.  I don't know, I guess I can't think of one off hand.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question

In a message dated 4/2/2002 3:50:34 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

I'd like to see a good update of Forbidden Planet, or The Day the Earth Stood Still.


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:19 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] REMAKES

Didn't Cameron also do that really cool remake of "THEM" back in 1986?  You know, the one with the mute kid with the doll-less head and the big Queen bug living under the city that they had to burn out with flamethrowers just like James Whitmore did in the original?

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Jeff DOES say "The Fly" . Two interesting remakes coming from the James Cameron camp. Steven Soderbergh is doing "Solaris" for Cameron, which should be out at the end of the year. And Dean Devlin says Cameron wants to direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage". Why oh why didn't he do "Apes"? Spam.  - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question

 In a message dated 4/2/02 4:51:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
 
 

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

Michael
 

Jeff would say "The Fly," but I don't see it.  "The Thing" could have been great, but they let the SFX get away, also they forgot about suspense.  I don't know, I guess I can't think of one off hand.

-- Rory

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.html I'm pretty sure it was a remake of "THEM":  A swarm of bugs terrorizing a town/settlement.  Army called in to exterminate the bugs.  Flame throwers underneath the city.  A little girl who lost her voice because of fear who carried around a doll missing parts.  Both films had all of those things.  I think Sigorney Weaver played James Whitmore's roll in the '86 version.  It was a big big hit...oh yeah, single word title just like  the original "THEM"...what was the title of Cameron's remake?  Hmmmmmmmmm?  Anyone?

veetus@... wrote:

   Was there a remake of "Them"? That's the one I'd like to do. I don't think Cameron was involved with it. But Devlin and Emmerich have a movie about big spiders coming out this summer, a spoof of "Tarantula".mapS.                                  - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:19 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] REMAKES

 Didn't Cameron also do that really cool remake of "THEM" back in 1986?  You know, the one with the mute kid with the doll-less head and the big Queen bug living under the city that they had to burn out with flamethrowers just like James Whitmore did in the original?

B

veetus@... wrote:

  Jeff DOES say "The Fly" . Two interesting remakes coming from the James Cameron camp. Steven Soderbergh is doing "Solaris" for Cameron, which should be out at the end of the year. And Dean Devlin says Cameron wants to direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage". Why oh why didn't he do "Apes"? Spam.  - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 3:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question

 In a message dated 4/2/02 4:51:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
 
 

So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

Michael
 

Jeff would say "The Fly," but I don't see it.  "The Thing" could have been great, but they let the SFX get away, also they forgot about suspense.  I don't know, I guess I can't think of one off hand.

-- Rory

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By the way - the twins were......GIRLS!!!! I couldn't believe it. Now I
have 4.

They were born at:

TWIN 1: 12.06pm, 2.080kg, 437cm

TWIN 2: 12.09pm, 2.280kg, 434cm

Both healthy and TINY!!!!!

Talk soon

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:52
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Questions on collectibles
>
>
> My twins are being delivered today so I will have a bit of spare time.
>
> Send me your postal via private and I will tape and send to you.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:47
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Questions on collectibles
> >
> >
> > "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > > I've had several requests for these, but I can't seem to access the
> > > files section since I don't have a Yahoo email address. The
> file sizes
> > > are from 9MB to 14MB.
> >
> > You don't need to have a Yahoo email address, just be
> registered with them
> > (a lot of people such as myself are only registered for the purposes of
> > posting to lists like this).
> >
> > It doesn't really matter though, as I think the files section can
> > only hold
> > about 20Mb anyway. And besides, us poor little modem users
> > wouldn't stand a
> > chance anyway!
> >
> > Guess I'll just have to keep searching for the records themselves.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>
>

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My twins are being delivered today so I will have a bit of spare time.

I have some spare time.  I'd like to have twins delivered.  Twin girls in their late teens or early twenties, preferably blondes.  Oooooowaaaahhh....  Sorry I couldn't resist.  Congrats!

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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.html Kongratulations to the Whitty's!

Send pix soon!

Brian

Michael Whitty wrote:

By the way - the twins were......GIRLS!!!!  I couldn't believe it.  Now I
have 4.

They were born at:

TWIN 1: 12.06pm, 2.080kg, 437cm

TWIN 2: 12.09pm, 2.280kg, 434cm

Both healthy and TINY!!!!!

Talk soon

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Whitty [mailto:whitty@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:52
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Questions on collectibles
>
>
> My twins are being delivered today so I will have a bit of spare time.
>
> Send me your postal via private and I will tape and send to you.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Maxwell [mailto:alan@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:47
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Questions on collectibles
> >
> >
> > "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > > I've had several requests for these, but I can't seem to access the
> > > files section since I don't have a Yahoo email address.  The
> file sizes
> > > are from 9MB to 14MB.
> >
> > You don't need to have a Yahoo email address, just be
> registered with them
> > (a lot of people such as myself are only registered for the purposes of
> > posting to lists like this).
> >
> > It doesn't really matter though, as I think the files section can
> > only hold
> > about 20Mb anyway. And besides, us poor little modem users
> > wouldn't stand a
> > chance anyway!
> >
> > Guess I'll just have to keep searching for the records themselves.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

>
>
>

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Come to think of it, I haven't heard of any remake plans for "Day the Earth Stood Still". That's another Fox one. I'm sure it'll be announced soon. 

Just goes to show what kind of idiots are in charge out there.  I hear about them everyday!  The Day The Earth Stood Still was the most inspired Sci-fi flick of it's time!  Making an antiwar film in the middle of the Cold War!  Amazing they got away with it!  Now that takes balls!  And for those of you who think you have me pegged as some kind of war monger...that for you.  Just because I like guns, doesn't mean I think we should use them on people.  Though there are some things worth fighting for.  The right to bear arms comes to mind.  Isn't that odd?  I'd die for some liberals right to tell me I shouldn't be able to own the gun I'd defend his right to tell me that I shouldn't be able to own the gun I'd defend his right with...  Only in America.  Push the button Chuck!  It's a Madhouse!  A MADHOUSE!!!!  But an eclectically furnished one.<.html

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By the way - the twins were......GIRLS!!!!  I couldn't believe it.

Yeah, but are they blonde?

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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

>Burton's got better ape make-up and cooler sets and effects, and

he's by tons and miles a better director than Franklin J. Schaffner,

This person must never have seen Patton or The Boys from Brazil or
The Best Man.

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> By the way - the twins were......GIRLS!!!! I couldn't believe it.

Now I

> have 4.
>
> They were born at:
>
> TWIN 1: 12.06pm, 2.080kg, 437cm
>
> TWIN 2: 12.09pm, 2.280kg, 434cm
>
> Both healthy and TINY!!!!!
>
> Talk soon
>
> Michael

Congrats Michael!!!!

 Alan!

I got a copy of your story - do you want a copy since you've managed to misplace it?

kassidy

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By the way - the twins were......GIRLS!!!!  I couldn't believe it.

Yeah, but are they blonde?

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Congratulations Michael and family. Welcome to the world, Ladies.

--H

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Actually - all 4 of my girls are.....
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 21:21
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Twins (OT)
>
>
>
>
> By the way - the twins were......GIRLS!!!! I couldn't believe
it.
>
>
> Yeah, but are they blonde?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Congrats Michael!

Matt

Hi Michael,
Congratulations to you and Sally. I thought for sure you were having boys?!
Obviously with all those fingers and toes in there, they could have been
mistaken for boys on the scan. I'll give you a call to get all the gory
details.
Best,
KEN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Twins (OT)


> By the way - the twins were......GIRLS!!!! I couldn't believe it. Now I
> have 4.
>
> They were born at:
>
> TWIN 1: 12.06pm, 2.080kg, 437cm
>
> TWIN 2: 12.09pm, 2.280kg, 434cm
>
> Both healthy and TINY!!!!!
>
> Talk soon
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:52
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Questions on collectibles
> >
> >
> > My twins are being delivered today so I will have a bit of spare time.
> >
> > Send me your postal via private and I will tape and send to you.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 April 2002 7:47
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Questions on collectibles
> > >
> > >
> > > "Melkor" <melkor@...> wrote:
> > > > I've had several requests for these, but I can't seem to access the
> > > > files section since I don't have a Yahoo email address. The
> > file sizes
> > > > are from 9MB to 14MB.
> > >
> > > You don't need to have a Yahoo email address, just be
> > registered with them
> > > (a lot of people such as myself are only registered for the purposes
of
> > > posting to lists like this).
> > >
> > > It doesn't really matter though, as I think the files section can
> > > only hold
> > > about 20Mb anyway. And besides, us poor little modem users
> > > wouldn't stand a
> > > chance anyway!
> > >
> > > Guess I'll just have to keep searching for the records themselves.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
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New spiderman trailer at: www.calima5021.com

This new trialer is preety awesome!

Best.
Al



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I did, too....for Roddy.  I am a big Poseidon Adventure buff, and had tried to watch every movie that all the actors were in.  Thank God that I was a Roddy fan first!!!!

                                     Lynne

I hate it that Roddy was killed so early on in "Poseidon."  What a waste.  Why didn't they let him live and bump off that kid?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 7:58 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Notice Regarding Nonhuman Great Apes in Entertainment

Do you agree?  I saw a thing on Animal Planet where the showed the training for the chimps used in Burton's POTA and I thought it was a little creepy.  The great apes are so human that it makes me very uncomfortable to see them being used in such a manner.  I grew up watching Lancelot Link -- and loving it! -- but I don't think it's so cool now.  I'm not fanatical about it, but I just think it's about time that we recognize that the great apes are somewhere between us and say dogs, cats, and horses, and that maybe we should have a little more respect for their dignity.

-- Rory

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What about "Apes"? It's not good enough any more? Attar could snap
Spiderman's neck like a twig! First Spiderman takes Elfman and now Alex.
Attar no like!

Thanks, Alex. You're...amazing. Spam. - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:25 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Spiderman [OT]


>
> New spiderman trailer at: www.calima5021.com
>
> This new trialer is preety awesome!
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> _____

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> We don't treat each other with respect; we don't treat God with

respect - check out what's going on in Bethlehem. The only thing we
treat with respect is the almighty dollar. Why should animals be any
different? Spam. - -
- Jeff

More wars have been fought, more blood shed and more human suffering
has been inflicted in the name of God than for any King, Emperor,
Dictator or Potentate. Then God's clergy have their followers fly
planes in to buildings, incite race hatered against the poor &
disenfrancised, enrich themselves with TV donations and sexually
abuse our children.

>
>We don't treat each other with respect; we don't treat God with respect -=
>check out what's going on in Bethlehem. The only thing we treat with respe=

I think the root problem in Bethlehem and the rest of the Middle East is
that they treat God with too much respect.

--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:

> I think the root problem in Bethlehem and the rest of the Middle

East is

> that they treat God with too much respect.

Sort of like the Mutants and the bomb in Beneath.
Sorry, but thought it was time to get a POTA reference in;-)

Hey,

I was just curious which of these upcoming blockbusters POTA fans are looking forward to most.

After some soul searching, I think I have to go with Star Wars: AOTC. My reason is simple: for me the Star Wars phenomenon is all about the movies. It started as a film that spawned everything else. I have already seen Episodes I, IV, V, and VI so to not see Episode II (or III for that matter) would make it incomplete. I guess if I had to make a choice to only see two new movies the rest of my life, I would have to choose Episodes II and III for that reason.

That being said, I have to admit that Spiderman is probably my all time favorite character from any medium. Especially the way he was originally conceived by Stan Lee, Steve Ditko and later John Romita. I love the concept of the character: the fact that he's an outsider, the bit about responsibility, the humor, etc. I have loved Spidey since an early age and the upcoming film is one I have waited my whole life for. But that's just it. I have gone 33 years without it and have survived. To me, Spidey is all about the comics: the original run that started in the 60s, went through the 70s and most of the 80s. That's when he was the best. And even though Spidey is all about the comics and I know the basic story, I still am dying to see it on the big screen, but that's just icing on a very sweet cake.

Given this discussion, it's kind of ironic that my enthusiasm for Spiderman was kind of killed by a "clone" saga. Oh well.

How does everyone else feel?

Matt

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I'm retired from web hosting, bud.
I'm just making music videos from time to time, but no longer dealing in web
sites. I'm burned out, bud.

I'll have the Apes DVDs ready by the end of the month.

Best.
Al

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spiderman [OT]
>Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:48:20 -0800
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I think the root problem in Bethlehem and the rest of the Middle East is
that they treat God with too much respect. 

That's the biggest buncha crap I've ever heard in my life!  What they're doing in the Mideast has absolutely nothing to do with God!  If some religion tells you to go kill people and kill yourself, then you've been worshiping Satan!  They should wake the F*** up and smell the F***ing coffee!  I don't know of any legitimate religion that spouts that kind of Shite!  They must be thinking of Kali, not God.  The only excused killing is self-defense, and I think both sides have pushed the limits of that about as far as they can.  Right now it seems to be all about revenge.  That and borders . . . Invade.  Invade!  INVADE!!!!  Had to get an Apes reference in there somewhere.
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.htmlI guess this "ape2boy" is selling off some of his collection.  Anyone know who this guy is?   Anyway, I can't say that I remember this candy.  I seem to have a vague memory of buying a box at a 7-Eleven in 1974 and not liking the candy, but maybe I'm not sure.  Dr. Milo was sure, but I'm not sure I didn't just imagine it.

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The only film I'm interested in seeing is Austin Powers 3.

--- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I was just curious which of these upcoming blockbusters POTA fans
are looking forward to most.
>
> After some soul searching, I think I have to go with Star Wars:
AOTC. My reason is simple: for me the Star Wars phenomenon is all
about the movies. It started as a film that spawned everything else.
I have already seen Episodes I, IV, V, and VI so to not see Episode
II (or III for that matter) would make it incomplete. I guess if I
had to make a choice to only see two new movies the rest of my life,
I would have to choose Episodes II and III for that reason.
>
> That being said, I have to admit that Spiderman is probably my all
time favorite character from any medium. Especially the way he was
originally conceived by Stan Lee, Steve Ditko and later John Romita.
I love the concept of the character: the fact that he's an outsider,
the bit about responsibility, the humor, etc. I have loved Spidey
since an early age and the upcoming film is one I have waited my
whole life for. But that's just it. I have gone 33 years without it
and have survived. To me, Spidey is all about the comics: the
original run that started in the 60s, went through the 70s and most
of the 80s. That's when he was the best. And even though Spidey is
all about the comics and I know the basic story, I still am dying to
see it on the big screen, but that's just icing on a very sweet cake.
>
> Given this discussion, it's kind of ironic that my enthusiasm for
Spiderman was kind of killed by a "clone" saga. Oh well.
>
> How does everyone else feel?
>
> Matt

.htmlWhat the F***! is this?   Planet of the Apes at the O.K. Corral?!!!


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Think its more of a my god is better than your god mentality (Just
like the Apes and Mutants) which proves they are missing the point.
Sort of loving the messager while hating the message.
My philosphy has always been whatever god or deity you believe in
either Jehovah or Christ or Allah or Budda; Superman can still kick
his ass in a fight.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> That's the biggest buncha crap I've ever heard in my life! What
they're
> doing in the Mideast has absolutely nothing to do with God! If
some religion
> tells you to go kill people and kill yourself, then you've been
worshiping
> Satan! They should wake the F*** up and smell the F***ing coffee!
I don't
> know of any legitimate religion that spouts that kind of Shite!
They must be
> thinking of Kali, not God. The only excused killing is self-
defense, and I
> think both sides have pushed the limits of that about as far as
they can.
> Right now it seems to be all about revenge. That and borders . . .
Invade.
> Invade! INVADE!!!! Had to get an Apes reference in there
somewhere.

Probably something they marketed exclusively in Texas LOL.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> What the F***! is this? Planet of the Apes at the O.K. Corral?!!!
>
>
> <A HREF="http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=1718433979">Click here: eBay item 1718433979 (Ends Apr-
07-02 11:56:04 PDT ) - Rare Planet
> of the Apes Bronze Fanner 50</A>

.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/02 6:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The only film I'm interested in seeing is Austin Powers 3.

Even the trailer I saw for that was funny.  I'm looking forward to both Spiderman and Episode 2 of Star Wars, but I don't expect to be blown away by them.   Movies these days are mostly disappointing, and that's because the studios only care about getting teenagers into the theatres.  The situation sucks!<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/02 6:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ktaylor@... writes:

I guess this "ape2boy" is selling off some of his collection.  Anyone know who this guy is?  

Yeah, I know this guy. He's a real nice guy and was a really keen Ape collector. Thanks to him, I've been able to obtain some cool stuff for my collection. From what I can tell, this is about the third time he's sold his collection. I haven't dealt with him for ages so I'm not sure what the circumstances are for this latest batch of auctions.
Best,
KEN



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.htmlIn a message dated 4/4/02 6:33:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Think its more of a my god is better than your god mentality (Just
like the Apes and Mutants) which proves they are missing the point.
Sort of loving the messager while hating the message. 
My philosphy has always been whatever god or deity you believe in
either Jehovah or Christ or Allah or Budda; Superman can still kick
his ass in a fight.

Let's face it: the world will be a better place once mankind grows up and stops thinking in supernatural terms.  What we need is a big ass spaceship from another world to land here and a superior species to tell us to "GET REAL!  You think you're God's Chosen?  Think again."<.html

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What the F***! is this?   Planet of the Apes at the O.K. Corral?!!

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: OT: Spiderman or Star Wars?

In a message dated 4/4/02 6:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The only film I'm interested in seeing is Austin Powers 3.

Even the trailer I saw for that was funny.  I'm looking forward to both Spiderman and Episode 2 of Star Wars, but I don't expect to be blown away by them.   Movies these days are mostly disappointing, and that's because the studios only care about getting teenagers into the theatres.  The situation sucks!

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:36 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1089264898 (Ends Apr-07-02 16:32...

In a message dated 4/4/02 6:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ktaylor@... writes:

I guess this "ape2boy" is selling off some of his collection.  Anyone know who this guy is?  

Yeah, I know this guy. He's a real nice guy and was a really keen Ape collector. Thanks to him, I've been able to obtain some cool stuff for my collection. From what I can tell, this is about the third time he's sold his collection. I haven't dealt with him for ages so I'm not sure what the circumstances are for this latest batch of auctions.
Best,
KEN

Well, maybe I'll just email this guy and ask "What's up, Bud?"

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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What we need is a big ass spaceship from another world to land here and a superior species to tell us to "GET REAL!

Sounds like The Day The Earth Stood Still to me.<.html

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/31/02 12:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, emr1623@m...
> writes:
>
> > what the flock is an anti-vivisectionist? I know vivi is a character on final fantasy nine.
> > Eileen
>
> Ever hear of a dictionary? Anyway, a vivisectionist is someone who does surgical experiments on living animals. If you're someone who thinks animals have a right to be left alone by man, especially when it comes to whether or not they'll submit to going under the knife (which of course they can't knowledgeably consent to), then you care very much that surgery on animals not be done at all, or at least not be of an unethical nature. Those completely against it are anti-vivisectionists. The famous English writer H. G. Wells (maybe you've heard of him?) was an anti-vivisectionist and this led him to write the classic novel "The Island of Dr. Moreau."
>
>I would actually welcome some thoughts from Patrick on this subject.
>
> -- Rory

Since my thoughts are welcome here, then what-the-hey here goes:
How many animals have died as a result of the animal testing that has
gone in in the past 100 years? How many antidotes for diseases have
actually been discovered via the practice of vivisection?
Granted, scientists have discovered all sorts of similarities between
human and non-human animals by "comparative anatomy" (the same sorts
of things that Zira did by comparing Ape and Human anatomy); nowadays,
with the "cracking" of the human genome, we can do a much better job
of discovering what makes each species distinct... WITHOUT committing
the "atrocities" on animals (in ESCAPE, the Chairman of the
Presidential Commission calls Zira's actions "atrocities", although he
suggests that IF she had not known that humans were anything more than
a mere animal then she would not be any different than any present day
human researcher who cuts up frogs & dogs & chimps, etc.).
We have yet to find a cure for AIDS, and it should be noted that HIV
is different than the AIDS-causing virus in apes (SIV, or Simian
Immunodeficiency Virus); there's an article in the latest DISCOVER
magazine about HIV-infected test-chimpanzees who have not acquired
AIDS, and their plight.
There are those who argue that animal testing is absolutely necessary
for the discovery of antidotes/cures for all sorts of diseases out
there. I could see someone arguing that the ONLY animal lifeform which
should be used to test cures meant for humans is... the human animal.
After all, the HUMAN Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) will have a cure (if
at all) that affects HIV in specific--and NOT all other forms of
immunodeficiency viral agents, like SIV. Jerry Lewis' telethons have
raised how many millions of dollars in order to cure MD... and how
long do those suffering from MD have to wait before SOMEONE finally
finds its cure?
The Nazis committed atrocities against Jews (and Gypsies and
homosexuals, etc.) in their death camps and concentration camps, using
them as guinea pigs in horrific experiments. This begs the question:
if the Nazis didn't consider the Jews to be human, then how could
scientific experiments performed on them be considered useful from a
medical standpoint?
What about the hardcore violent criminals languishing in our prisons?
There are serial killers that will never be allowed back on the
streets, and they "enjoy" free lodgings, free food, and free clothing
(while non-criminal homeless people--including veterans--eke out a
life sleeping under bridges, etc.). Why not have scientific
experiments that now are performed on innocent animals (with different
genomic blueprints) be, in the future, performed on those lowlifes who
have forfeited their rights to liberty/the pursuit of happiness/and
life itself? Why not pass some laws that will forewarn potential
perpetrators of violent crimes that IF they should dare commit their
crimes (which violate the rights of others), then they--by doing so--
will have forfeited their rights: society will then have not only the
right but also the duty to imprison them and--if the need is there--
subject them to the Scientists for medical experimentation.
This idea will horrify some out there, but it's not as if SF writers
haven't already addressed this issue with "cautionary tales". Larry
Niven wrote at least one story dealing with this issue (I can't
remember the title, but in one short story he dealt with the idea of
organ-harvesting from criminals in order to supply transplants).

Don't get the idea from this posting, please, that I'm necessarily in
favor of using violent criminals for "animal testing"... although I
must admit that it is a "use" to which these "lifers" could be put
that would actually have a subsidiary benefit to society at large. I
don't like the idea of excessive tax dollars going to fund the free
room-and-board that these criminals get. The threat of imprisonment
has not deterred criminals from doing their crimes--indeed, some gang
members out there consider it a badge of honor (!) to have "done time
in the joint". I wonder how many "gangstas" would dare to commit a
drive-by shooting if they knew that they--if caught, tried, and
convicted--would have forfeited their bodies for medical
experimentation? Imagine "A Clockwork Orange" without Alex's having to
sign the papers granting the State permission to perform the "Ludovico
technique".
Frankly, if a convicted murderer were to go under the knife instead of
an innocent chimpanzee... I wouldn't really lose all that much sleep.
How about you, Rory (or anybody else out there)?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-04-2002

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Jeff DOES say "The Fly" . Two interesting remakes coming from the James Cameron camp. Steven Soderbergh is doing "Solaris" for Cameron, which should be out at the end of the year. And Dean Devlin says Cameron wants to direct a remake of "Fantastic Voyage". Why oh why didn't he do "Apes"? Spam. - - Jeff
>

I liked Carpenter's version of THE THING (it's one of the few movies
he's done that I can actually stand to watch; his VAMPIRES movie--
despite starring James Woods--was wretched), but mostly for Rob
Bottin's magnificent SFX.
As cheesy as it was, I actually enjoyed the De Laurentis remake of
KING KONG. Updating the plot to feature an oil company venture
(Petrox) instead of a Hollywood film crew was so appropo.
Instead of re-making FANTASTIC VOYAGE, they should get the rights to
adapt Asimov's novel FANTASTIC VOYAGE: DESTINATION BRAIN. It's the
same idea (and not really a sequel to the original film/novelization),
but it has other Asimovian ideas in it that tie in to his Robots/
Empire/Foundation series.
The remake of THE FLY was terrific--Jeff Goldblum gave probably his
best performance (i.e. the psychological changes he undergoes after
the gene-splicing with the fly). Yeah, it was gross, but what do you
expect from a horror film with THIS subject matter?
I finally rented SOLARIS... and was astounded that ANYBODY could
consider it "magnificent", let alone "Russia's 2001". It was a
stupendously boring piece of excrement, and although I haven't read
the novel it's based on, I can't imagine myself shelling out money at
the theater to see another version of the story. Although there's
something to be said for remaking the CRAPPY movies, and leaving the
great films alone. That said, then they shouldn't dare to touch
FORBIDDEN PLANET; campy, yes... but magnificent!
Incidentally, Crichton's novel SPHERE (and the so-so flick based on
it) is pretty much a rip-off of FORBIDDEN PLANET, the "sphere" somehow
giving the "brain-boost" to Sam Jackson (et al.) that the Krell
machinery gave to Dr. Morbius. Crichton's novel TIME-LINE (which I've
heard is going to be made into a movie) was, however, quite excellent.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-04-2002

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > We don't treat each other with respect; we don't treat God with
> respect - check out what's going on in Bethlehem. The only thing we
> treat with respect is the almighty dollar. Why should animals be any
> different? Spam. - -
> - Jeff
>
> More wars have been fought, more blood shed and more human suffering
> has been inflicted in the name of God than for any King, Emperor,
> Dictator or Potentate. Then God's clergy have their followers fly
> planes in to buildings, incite race hatered against the poor &
> disenfrancised, enrich themselves with TV donations and sexually
> abuse our children.

If somebody stole your credit card and then used it IN YOUR NAME to
purchase child pornography over the internet... wouldn't you be
pissed? How long would you let it go on, once you found out it was
happening?
Now, this "God" person... why the f*ck does He allow scumbags like
Muhammed Atta (et al.) to commit atrocities in His name? It isn't like
an omnipotent and omniscient being could be blithely unaware of this
sort of thing... and yet He allows it to go on. Either He DOES exist
and gives his tacit approval to such atrocities by NOT interfering...
or He is a figment of human imagination, a mass-illusion that has
messed up the world for millennia. Or... could the "God" idea be just
one of the "tools" that are used against the human race (read William
Bramley's book THE GODS OF EDEN for an interesting take on this
notion)?
"...we don't treat God with respect..." you say; well, "God" hasn't
treated the human race with much respect either. First he supposedly
tells the Israelites "Thou shalt not kill/murder"... and then in the
first book after the Pentateuch (i.e. Joshua), he commands those same
Israelites to commit genocide against the Canaanites. Not very
consistent, this "God" person, is He?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-04-2002

That's why I get bootleg copies and watch them at home. No teenagers!
Just kidding.

I'm only looking forward to Spidy and Star Wars this Spring season.
The summer is going to SUCK big time! :o)

Best.
Al

>From: Haristas@...
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: OT: Spiderman or Star Wars?
>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:35:12 EST
>
>In a message dated 4/4/02 6:20:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>JamesA1102@... writes:
>
>
> > The only film I'm interested in seeing is Austin Powers 3.
> >
> >
> >
>
>Even the trailer I saw for that was funny. I'm looking forward to both
>Spiderman and Episode 2 of Star Wars, but I don't expect to be blown away
>by
>them. Movies these days are mostly disappointing, and that's because the
>studios only care about getting teenagers into the theatres. The situation
>sucks!

_____

Peter Jackson wanted to remake "King Kong" but with the "Godzilla" remake
and the "Mighty Joe Young" remake (with our friends Rick Baker, Ralph Winter
and the "Apes" writers) Universal pulled the plug and Jackson moved on to
"Lord of the Rings". If he'd done "King Kong" who knows what woulda
happened; one of those paradox thingies. Anyway, he still wants to do "Kong"
and he certainly has the clout (and finances; all 3 LOTR are paid for from
the first one and the next ones, already filmed, are pure profit).
Cameron is a big sci-fi buff so it's possible he'd consider that other
"Fantastic Voyage" book. But he's not exactly quick on the draw; he hasn't
directed since "Titanic" 5 years ago. Well, he has an IMAX documentary about
the Titanic coming out and he's directing the last "Dark Angel" of the
season, but no new features. As for "Solaris", I've heard it's boring but I
have the feeling Soderbergh and Cameron loved it. By the way, Soderbergh
says the first film he remembers seeing was "Planet of the Apes".
- - - Jeff

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From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Jeff DOES say "The Fly" . Two interesting remakes coming from the James
Cameron camp. Steven Soderbergh is doing "Solaris" for Cameron, which should
be out at the end of the year. And Dean Devlin says Cameron wants to direct
a remake of "Fantastic Voyage". Why oh why didn't he do "Apes"? Spam. - -
Jeff
> >
> I liked Carpenter's version of THE THING (it's one of the few movies
> he's done that I can actually stand to watch; his VAMPIRES movie--
> despite starring James Woods--was wretched), but mostly for Rob
> Bottin's magnificent SFX.
> As cheesy as it was, I actually enjoyed the De Laurentis remake of
> KING KONG. Updating the plot to feature an oil company venture
> (Petrox) instead of a Hollywood film crew was so appropo.
> Instead of re-making FANTASTIC VOYAGE, they should get the rights to
> adapt Asimov's novel FANTASTIC VOYAGE: DESTINATION BRAIN. It's the
> same idea (and not really a sequel to the original film/novelization),
> but it has other Asimovian ideas in it that tie in to his Robots/
> Empire/Foundation series.
> The remake of THE FLY was terrific--Jeff Goldblum gave probably his
> best performance (i.e. the psychological changes he undergoes after
> the gene-splicing with the fly). Yeah, it was gross, but what do you
> expect from a horror film with THIS subject matter?
> I finally rented SOLARIS... and was astounded that ANYBODY could
> consider it "magnificent", let alone "Russia's 2001". It was a
> stupendously boring piece of excrement, and although I haven't read
> the novel it's based on, I can't imagine myself shelling out money at
> the theater to see another version of the story. Although there's
> something to be said for remaking the CRAPPY movies, and leaving the
> great films alone. That said, then they shouldn't dare to touch
> FORBIDDEN PLANET; campy, yes... but magnificent!
> Incidentally, Crichton's novel SPHERE (and the so-so flick based on
> it) is pretty much a rip-off of FORBIDDEN PLANET, the "sphere" somehow
> giving the "brain-boost" to Sam Jackson (et al.) that the Krell
> machinery gave to Dr. Morbius. Crichton's novel TIME-LINE (which I've
> heard is going to be made into a movie) was, however, quite excellent.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-04-2002
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"You think God belongs only to you? He
doesn't. God is an immortal spirit who belongs
to everybody. To the whole world! You think
you're special? God is not an Israelite."

- - Jesus, "Last Temptation
of Christ" (film)

Who says God has an ego? Maybe He could care less what people did in His
name. If he did we would have heard from Him a long time ago. These events
are not unique. The usual answer is that we are given free will and that's
what gives life and death it's meaning. Whew! This is heavy. Spam. - - Jeff

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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Notice Regarding Nonhuman
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> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > > We don't treat each other with respect; we don't treat God with
> > respect - check out what's going on in Bethlehem. The only thing we
> > treat with respect is the almighty dollar. Why should animals be any
> > different? Spam. - -
> > - Jeff
> >
> > More wars have been fought, more blood shed and more human suffering
> > has been inflicted in the name of God than for any King, Emperor,
> > Dictator or Potentate. Then God's clergy have their followers fly
> > planes in to buildings, incite race hatered against the poor &
> > disenfrancised, enrich themselves with TV donations and sexually
> > abuse our children.
>
> If somebody stole your credit card and then used it IN YOUR NAME to
> purchase child pornography over the internet... wouldn't you be
> pissed? How long would you let it go on, once you found out it was
> happening?
> Now, this "God" person... why the f*ck does He allow scumbags like
> Muhammed Atta (et al.) to commit atrocities in His name? It isn't like
> an omnipotent and omniscient being could be blithely unaware of this
> sort of thing... and yet He allows it to go on. Either He DOES exist
> and gives his tacit approval to such atrocities by NOT interfering...
> or He is a figment of human imagination, a mass-illusion that has
> messed up the world for millennia. Or... could the "God" idea be just
> one of the "tools" that are used against the human race (read William
> Bramley's book THE GODS OF EDEN for an interesting take on this
> notion)?
> "...we don't treat God with respect..." you say; well, "God" hasn't
> treated the human race with much respect either. First he supposedly
> tells the Israelites "Thou shalt not kill/murder"... and then in the
> first book after the Pentateuch (i.e. Joshua), he commands those same
> Israelites to commit genocide against the Canaanites. Not very
> consistent, this "God" person, is He?
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> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-04-2002
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Frankly, if a convicted murderer were to go under the knife instead of
an innocent chimpanzee... I wouldn't really lose all that much sleep.
How about you, Rory (or anybody else out there)?

I guess that's one way for them to give something back to humanity, though I don't know how humane it is.  Then again doing it to apes seems less so.  It certainly would be more of a deturant than the death penalty!
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Wow Pat!
They're getting down to a readable length.
I'm proud of you. Then again they're long because of the wide margins.

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Cameron is a big sci-fi buff so it's possible he'd consider that other
"Fantastic Voyage" book.

Forbidden Planet on aTMC tonight, 2 AM EST.

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And what a spin it is! :o)

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HIGH RES 30 megs 2:52 minutes

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Enjoy!

Best.
Al



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I finally rented SOLARIS... and was astounded that ANYBODY could
consider it "magnificent", let alone "Russia's 2001". It was a
stupendously boring piece of excrement, and although I haven't read
the novel it's based on, I can't imagine myself shelling out money at
the theater to see another version of the story. 

That's a film I've been wanting to see for years, but I'd want to see it letterboxed and all.  I haven't bought it because I'm not sure it would be something I like.  My guess now is I'd probably not like it either, but I'll have to give it a look sometime -- I'll just never buy it.

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I read that. It's more like "Time of the Apes". The best ideas may be
stolen, but the one who does them right gets the prize.
Spam. - - Jeff

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  I read that. It's more like "Time of the Apes". The best ideas may be
stolen, but the one who does them right gets the prize.
Spam.              - - Jeff


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The constitution protects even the worst criminals against "cruel and
unusual punishment" so I don't think that would work. Plus it
wouldn't be any more of a deterent than the death penalty which
numberous studies have proved is no deterent at all. And if we're
respecting god's will there is a commandment that say "Thall shalt
not kill" and I don't recall any there exceptions to it. Hey, 'Ape
Shall Never Kill Ape' wouldn't it be a better world if everyone
believed 'Human Shall Never Kill Human'.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > Frankly, if a convicted murderer were to go under the knife
instead of
> > an innocent chimpanzee... I wouldn't really lose all that much
sleep.
> > How about you, Rory (or anybody else out there)?
>
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> I guess that's one way for them to give something back to humanity,
though I
> don't know how humane it is. Then again doing it to apes seems
less so. It
> certainly would be more of a deturant than the death penalty!

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Frankly, if a convicted murderer were to go under the knife instead of
an innocent chimpanzee... I wouldn't really lose all that much sleep.
How about you, Rory (or anybody else out there)?

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-04-2002

Well, I guess if I HAD to choose I'd pick the murderer over the innocent chimp, and I'd lose no sleep over it, but I don't see others letting that happen since it would imply that human life isn't more valuable than that of the other great apes and most people are ready to accept that.  I know some people would be willing to die in the place of their pets or favorite animals, but most of humanity feeling that way?  No.  People still cling to the idea that we're something special (much like the belief in God and that he cares about us).

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"Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...> wrote:

> I got a copy of your story - do you want a copy since you've managed to

misplace it?

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not that bothered really.

Where did you get it from then?

Alan

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:

> So has there been a GOOD sci-fi remake film?

The only two I can think of are THE THING and TIME OF THE APES. But the
latter was made for TV, so it probably doesn't count.

Alan

"Mike Le Master" <mslpel5@...> wrote:

>Where did you get this book from to read it? I've been looking all over

for >it and don't really wanna spend 50 bucks off eBay for it.

Try this site:

http://www.abebooks.com/

It's useful for picking up old books like this. They currently have about 50
copies of it, in various printings, condition and prices.

Alan

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Where did you get this book from to read it?

What book?  Where?

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TIME OF THE APES. But the
latter was made for TV, so it probably doesn't count.

Time of the Apes wasn't in theaters in Japan?
Are you sure?

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Where did you get this book from to read it?  I've been looking all over for it and don't really wanna spend 50 bucks off eBay for it.

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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:24 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] All the best ideas are stolen....

  I read that. It's more like "Time of the Apes". The best ideas may be
stolen, but the one who does them right gets the prize.
Spam.              - - Jeff


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TIME OF THE APES. But the
latter was made for TV, so it probably doesn't count.

Time of the Apes wasn't in theaters in Japan?
Are you sure?

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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:36 PM

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In a message dated 4/4/02 6:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ktaylor@... writes:

I guess this "ape2boy" is selling off some of his collection.  Anyone know who this guy is?  

Yeah, I know this guy. He's a real nice guy and was a really keen Ape collector. Thanks to him, I've been able to obtain some cool stuff for my collection. From what I can tell, this is about the third time he's sold his collection. I haven't dealt with him for ages so I'm not sure what the circumstances are for this latest batch of auctions.
Best,
KEN

Well, maybe I'll just email this guy and ask "What's up, Bud?"

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 Subject: Re: Al's tv series fic

"Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...> wrote:

> I got a copy of your story - do you want a copy since you've managed to

misplace it?

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not that bothered really.

Where did you get it from then?

Alan

From somebody who had a copy of Ape Chronicles

Somethin' must be up!
Now they're showing Jouney To The Center Of The Earth on AMC.
I think Time Machine started all this.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/4/02 10:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:

I finally rented SOLARIS... and was astounded that ANYBODY could
consider it "magnificent", let alone "Russia's 2001". It was a
stupendously boring piece of excrement, and although I haven't read
the novel it's based on, I can't imagine myself shelling out money at
the theater to see another version of the story.


That's a film I've been wanting to see for years, but I'd want to see
it letterboxed and all. I haven't bought it because I'm not sure it
would be something I like. My guess now is I'd probably not like it
either, but I'll have to give it a look sometime -- I'll just never
buy it.

-- Rory

***The copy I rented was letterboxed and had its original soundtrack
(i.e. original Russian language, with English subtitling). It's on a
2-tape set, total running time around 2:45. I rented that and 4 other
flicks, for a 'five-for-five-bucks' deal, so the actual amount of cash
I spent on SOLARIS was just one lousy buck... but I still felt ripped
off, it was so boringly horrendous. The ONLY thing I found enjoyable
about it was whenever some character said a word that translated into
English that reminded me of Anthony Burgess' book (and Kubrick's film)
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE; for example, whenever somebody said "chelloveck"
the English subtitle said "man". Burgess invented (for his novel) an
interested slang language for his droogie hooligans called "nadsat",
which included a large number of Russian words (like "chelloveck",
etc.). I read the novel when I was in my Junior year at high school, a
friend of mine having turned me onto it; he and I (and the other
friends we got to read it) picked up a fair amount of "nadsat" and
used it to talk in code--mostly to insult our teachers without them
having a clue that they were being disparaged. Of course, it backfired
once: my Senior-year English teacher--whom I casually referred to as a
"grazny vonny soomka" (nadsat for "dirty smelly old-hag")--
nonchalantly replied, "Oh, you've read Burgess, have you? He's an
interesting writer, wouldn't you agree?" My jaw hit the floor--not
only at the fact that she "one-upped" me, but that she didn't take
offense at being called a "dirty smelly old bag". I think she was just
happy that I was actually reading books other than the books I HAD to
read for class. Come to think of it, she was astounded to see me
reading Dante's PURGATORIO after our class had covered the INFERNO
(which was the only portion of the DIVINE COMEDY that we were required
to read); I think it was a first for her--most of the 17-year-old
students she taught weren't bookish, and usually didn't dig the stuff
we read in class.
Maybe someday I'll pick up a copy of Stanislaw Lem's book SOLARIS,
just to see how different it is from that godawful cinematic waste of
time that was based on it. Someday... maybe.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-06-2002

*** "...cruel and unusual punishment..." Let's define our terms.
"Cruel" is a matter of taste. Some think that life-imprisonment is
cruel (and for non-violent crimes, I would agree); others think it
isn't harsh enough, let alone cruel. One COULD define "cruel" as any
punishment that actually involves inflicting physical pain... which
wouldn't be a problem if the condemned criminal were to have an
anaesthetic pumped into his bloodstream prior to the actual organ-
harvesting procedure.

"Unusual" depends on what society decides the "usual" punishment (for
a given crime) should be. Society (through legislation) COULD decide
to make the "usual" punishment for, say, murder (and child
molestation, and torture, etc.) to be Death... AND the harvesting of
his/her organs as reparations to victims of violent crime (as when an
innocent bystander is shot, and needs a new kidney or liver--why not
that of the creep who fired the shot?). If every single perpetrator
arrested and tried for the worst crimes (murder, etc.) would be
treated the same--given identical punishment--then whatever that
punishment is would be the "usual" one. The reason the Constitution
protects us from "unusual" punishments is because there can be no
fairness if only SOME people are subjected to a certain kind of
punishment, and not ALL; in other words, if some perpetrators are
given favorable treatment, then other perps could be said to be given
a punishment that is not actually the "usual" one. If every
perpetrator could anticipate having his/her organs harvested as
punishment for their acts of murder, then that punishment would be the
"usual" punishment.

The word "punishment" actually derives from the Latin word for "pain"
(as does the English word "pain"), "poen-". The words "penitence"/
"penitentiary" also derive from this root. The idea (at least
etymologically) is that "punishment" SHOULD be the infliction of pain,
as retribution for some misdeed. That's why so many countries
(including ours at one point) practiced flogging; even a self-
punishing, "penitent" monk would flog himself, inflicting pain on
himself as punishment for his evil/sinful thoughts (think of that
scene in THE NAME OF THE ROSE, where the homosexual monk lashes his
own back).

As for the deterrence factor, frankly, it doesn't matter to me whether
or not these hypothetical punishments deter others from committing
crimes. If only ONE person is deterred, then it's worth it (and
there's really no way to know how much or little of a deterrent any
punishment may be without being able to read the minds of random
citizens, and checking out their brainwave patterns to see whether or
not they willingly repressed the urge to commit murder/molestation/
rape/etc. due to a fear of the well-known punishment (i.e. organ
harvesting, medical experimentation, etc.). It is a fact that a
condemned prisoner who is either put to death or "used" for
experiments will NEVER have the opportunity to be a recidivist (i.e. a
repeat offender); if once-blind people are enjoying sight again,
having acquired the harvested corneas of convicted murderers, then it
follows that the murderer won't be able to see any would-be next
victims.

As for "god's will" and the "Don't kill" commandment, I already
pointed out that in the book of Joshua, YHWH Elohim Himself makes a
blatant exception to that rule when he commands Joshua and the
Israelites who follow him across the river Jordan to slaughter all the
Canaanite inhabitants of the "promised land". Later on, "god" bestows
His favor on David after taking it away from Saul, whose only "sin"
was in being merciful to the Amalekites (whom "god" wanted slaughtered
completely--men, women, children, and their cattle!).

Would "Human Shall Never Kill Human" really be a good "law"? Aren't
there exceptions? I think so. "Murder" is the unlawful/wrongful ending
of another person's life; the word "kill" does NOT only mean "murder".
The word "execution" means the lawful/righteous ending of another
person's life. When a kidnapper threatens to slaughter a schoolroom
full of kindergartners, it is right and lawful for a sniper to kill
the bastard--in this case, "killing" is not wrong at all. When
soldiers (like our boys over in Afghanistan) kill the enemy (the al-
Qaeda terrorists), those killings are not murder; in the long run, by
killing terrorists, our soldiers will have saved the lives of all
those who would have been the next victims of those creeps.

The Constitution's Bill of Rights was written to safeguard the rights
of the people from the encroachment of unwarranted government
intrusion. The "rights" spoken of are considered (in the Declaration)
to have been an endowment to every person from "their Creator" (i.e.
whether "God"--for a Theist--or the Force of Nature, for a Skeptic).
Every person has inalienable (i.e. unable-to-be-taken-away) rights to
Life, to Liberty, to the Pursuit of Happiness (and to others, such as
Privacy, the ownership of Property, etc.). The only way a person can
lose those rights is if either (1) he/she is murdered (i.e. someone
else violates those rights), or (2) he/she FORFEITS those rights, by
having violated the inalienable rights of another. Executing a
murderer is NOT a violation of the rights of a criminal, because a
murderer FORFEITS his/her rights when he/she commits that crime.
Similarly, if society should decide that organ-harvesting should be
the "usual" punishment for certain heinous crimes, then those
criminals subjected to that punishment will have no basis to argue
that his/her "rights" are being violated, since those rights he/she
once had were voluntarily forfeited the moment he/she committed the
crime (which did violate the rights of his/her victim).

Incidentally, I'm looking forward to the Spielberg/Cruise flick
"MINORITY REPORT", which is based on a Philip K. Dick story... where
people are considered criminals if a "mind-scan" of sorts can tell
that a person WILL commit a crime (i.e. has a propensity to do the
act), with no regard for the fact that the "crime" is never so much as
attempted. Clearly, this "Dickian" twist is unwarranted in real
society, but it should make for a damned interesting movie.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 4-06-2002

--- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
The constitution protects even the worst criminals against "cruel and
unusual punishment" so I don't think that would work. Plus it
wouldn't be any more of a deterent than the death penalty which
numberous studies have proved is no deterent at all. And if we're
respecting god's will there is a commandment that say "Thou shalt
not kill" and I don't recall any exceptions to it. Hey, 'Ape
Shall Never Kill Ape' wouldn't it be a better world if everyone
believed 'Human Shall Never Kill Human'.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

Frankly, if a convicted murderer were to go under the knife
instead of an innocent chimpanzee... I wouldn't really lose all that
much sleep.
How about you, Rory (or anybody else out there)?

>I guess that's one way for them to give something back to humanity, though I don't know how humane it is. Then again doing it to apes seems less so. It certainly would be more of a deturant [deterrent] than the death penalty!

>From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
>Subject: Re: Al's tv series fic
>"Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...> wrote:
>> I got a copy of your story - do you want a copy since you've managed to
>misplace it?
>Thanks for the offer, but I'm not that bothered really.

Hi, Alan,

I'm curious about this story and I think I missed an email somewhere -- did
you publish a Planet of the Apes story? If so, was it to a licensed
publication or a fanzine?

For that matter [to everyone on the group], have there ever been any
licensed Apes short stories published, other than the ones in the three
hardcover British annuals?

Thanks,
Rich

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

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Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:21 PM

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You know ape2boy too - it is Anthony George (I call him "boy george").

 

Who has the sucker?

 

Whittey Whitty

 

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From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 10:25
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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  Where does it say he's selling off his collection? I know a guy who has an unopened choclate "Apes" sucker. That's pretty rare. Whittey knows him too. Spam.                                                  - - - Jeff

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:36 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1089264898 (Ends Apr-07-02 16:32...

In a message dated 4/4/02 6:27:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ktaylor@... writes:

I guess this "ape2boy" is selling off some of his collection.  Anyone know who this guy is?  

Yeah, I know this guy. He's a real nice guy and was a really keen Ape collector. Thanks to him, I've been able to obtain some cool stuff for my collection. From what I can tell, this is about the third time he's sold his collection. I haven't dealt with him for ages so I'm not sure what the circumstances are for this latest batch of auctions.
Best,
KEN

Well, maybe I'll just email this guy and ask "What's up, Bud?"

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"Inferno"? Would you be referring to "The Towering Inferno"? Yes, that is
a fine film. I'm surprised my teacher was familiar with it, but I think she
was just happy I was watching movies besides the ones I HAD to
m. - - - Jeff

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From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A new Question


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 4/4/02 10:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> I finally rented SOLARIS... and was astounded that ANYBODY could
> consider it "magnificent", let alone "Russia's 2001". It was a
> stupendously boring piece of excrement, and although I haven't read
> the novel it's based on, I can't imagine myself shelling out money at
> the theater to see another version of the story.
>
>
> That's a film I've been wanting to see for years, but I'd want to see
> it letterboxed and all. I haven't bought it because I'm not sure it
> would be something I like. My guess now is I'd probably not like it
> either, but I'll have to give it a look sometime -- I'll just never
> buy it.
>
> -- Rory
>
> ***The copy I rented was letterboxed and had its original soundtrack
> (i.e. original Russian language, with English subtitling). It's on a
> 2-tape set, total running time around 2:45. I rented that and 4 other
> flicks, for a 'five-for-five-bucks' deal, so the actual amount of cash
> I spent on SOLARIS was just one lousy buck... but I still felt ripped
> off, it was so boringly horrendous. The ONLY thing I found enjoyable
> about it was whenever some character said a word that translated into
> English that reminded me of Anthony Burgess' book (and Kubrick's film)
> A CLOCKWORK ORANGE; for example, whenever somebody said "chelloveck"
> the English subtitle said "man". Burgess invented (for his novel) an
> interested slang language for his droogie hooligans called "nadsat",
> which included a large number of Russian words (like "chelloveck",
> etc.). I read the novel when I was in my Junior year at high school, a
> friend of mine having turned me onto it; he and I (and the other
> friends we got to read it) picked up a fair amount of "nadsat" and
> used it to talk in code--mostly to insult our teachers without them
> having a clue that they were being disparaged. Of course, it backfired
> once: my Senior-year English teacher--whom I casually referred to as a
> "grazny vonny soomka" (nadsat for "dirty smelly old-hag")--
> nonchalantly replied, "Oh, you've read Burgess, have you? He's an
> interesting writer, wouldn't you agree?" My jaw hit the floor--not
> only at the fact that she "one-upped" me, but that she didn't take
> offense at being called a "dirty smelly old bag". I think she was just
> happy that I was actually reading books other than the books I HAD to
> read for class. Come to think of it, she was astounded to see me
> reading Dante's PURGATORIO after our class had covered the INFERNO
> (which was the only portion of the DIVINE COMEDY that we were required
> to read); I think it was a first for her--most of the 17-year-old
> students she taught weren't bookish, and usually didn't dig the stuff
> we read in class.
> Maybe someday I'll pick up a copy of Stanislaw Lem's book SOLARIS,
> just to see how different it is from that godawful cinematic waste of
> time that was based on it. Someday... maybe.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-06-2002
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I read some where that a rapist or molester or something wants to be
castrated and released and there's controversy over whether they should do
that. What kind of punishments would they have on the Planet of the Apes?
They don't really mention any, except hanging. I think they would force
someone to slip on a banana peel. Spam. - - Jeff

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> *** "...cruel and unusual punishment..." Let's define our terms.
> "Cruel" is a matter of taste. Some think that life-imprisonment is
> cruel (and for non-violent crimes, I would agree); others think it
> isn't harsh enough, let alone cruel. One COULD define "cruel" as any
> punishment that actually involves inflicting physical pain... which
> wouldn't be a problem if the condemned criminal were to have an
> anaesthetic pumped into his bloodstream prior to the actual organ-
> harvesting procedure.
>
> "Unusual" depends on what society decides the "usual" punishment (for
> a given crime) should be. Society (through legislation) COULD decide
> to make the "usual" punishment for, say, murder (and child
> molestation, and torture, etc.) to be Death... AND the harvesting of
> his/her organs as reparations to victims of violent crime (as when an
> innocent bystander is shot, and needs a new kidney or liver--why not
> that of the creep who fired the shot?). If every single perpetrator
> arrested and tried for the worst crimes (murder, etc.) would be
> treated the same--given identical punishment--then whatever that
> punishment is would be the "usual" one. The reason the Constitution
> protects us from "unusual" punishments is because there can be no
> fairness if only SOME people are subjected to a certain kind of
> punishment, and not ALL; in other words, if some perpetrators are
> given favorable treatment, then other perps could be said to be given
> a punishment that is not actually the "usual" one. If every
> perpetrator could anticipate having his/her organs harvested as
> punishment for their acts of murder, then that punishment would be the
> "usual" punishment.
>
> The word "punishment" actually derives from the Latin word for "pain"
> (as does the English word "pain"), "poen-". The words "penitence"/
> "penitentiary" also derive from this root. The idea (at least
> etymologically) is that "punishment" SHOULD be the infliction of pain,
> as retribution for some misdeed. That's why so many countries
> (including ours at one point) practiced flogging; even a self-
> punishing, "penitent" monk would flog himself, inflicting pain on
> himself as punishment for his evil/sinful thoughts (think of that
> scene in THE NAME OF THE ROSE, where the homosexual monk lashes his
> own back).
>
> As for the deterrence factor, frankly, it doesn't matter to me whether
> or not these hypothetical punishments deter others from committing
> crimes. If only ONE person is deterred, then it's worth it (and
> there's really no way to know how much or little of a deterrent any
> punishment may be without being able to read the minds of random
> citizens, and checking out their brainwave patterns to see whether or
> not they willingly repressed the urge to commit murder/molestation/
> rape/etc. due to a fear of the well-known punishment (i.e. organ
> harvesting, medical experimentation, etc.). It is a fact that a
> condemned prisoner who is either put to death or "used" for
> experiments will NEVER have the opportunity to be a recidivist (i.e. a
> repeat offender); if once-blind people are enjoying sight again,
> having acquired the harvested corneas of convicted murderers, then it
> follows that the murderer won't be able to see any would-be next
> victims.
>
> As for "god's will" and the "Don't kill" commandment, I already
> pointed out that in the book of Joshua, YHWH Elohim Himself makes a
> blatant exception to that rule when he commands Joshua and the
> Israelites who follow him across the river Jordan to slaughter all the
> Canaanite inhabitants of the "promised land". Later on, "god" bestows
> His favor on David after taking it away from Saul, whose only "sin"
> was in being merciful to the Amalekites (whom "god" wanted slaughtered
> completely--men, women, children, and their cattle!).
>
> Would "Human Shall Never Kill Human" really be a good "law"? Aren't
> there exceptions? I think so. "Murder" is the unlawful/wrongful ending
> of another person's life; the word "kill" does NOT only mean "murder".
> The word "execution" means the lawful/righteous ending of another
> person's life. When a kidnapper threatens to slaughter a schoolroom
> full of kindergartners, it is right and lawful for a sniper to kill
> the bastard--in this case, "killing" is not wrong at all. When
> soldiers (like our boys over in Afghanistan) kill the enemy (the al-
> Qaeda terrorists), those killings are not murder; in the long run, by
> killing terrorists, our soldiers will have saved the lives of all
> those who would have been the next victims of those creeps.
>
> The Constitution's Bill of Rights was written to safeguard the rights
> of the people from the encroachment of unwarranted government
> intrusion. The "rights" spoken of are considered (in the Declaration)
> to have been an endowment to every person from "their Creator" (i.e.
> whether "God"--for a Theist--or the Force of Nature, for a Skeptic).
> Every person has inalienable (i.e. unable-to-be-taken-away) rights to
> Life, to Liberty, to the Pursuit of Happiness (and to others, such as
> Privacy, the ownership of Property, etc.). The only way a person can
> lose those rights is if either (1) he/she is murdered (i.e. someone
> else violates those rights), or (2) he/she FORFEITS those rights, by
> having violated the inalienable rights of another. Executing a
> murderer is NOT a violation of the rights of a criminal, because a
> murderer FORFEITS his/her rights when he/she commits that crime.
> Similarly, if society should decide that organ-harvesting should be
> the "usual" punishment for certain heinous crimes, then those
> criminals subjected to that punishment will have no basis to argue
> that his/her "rights" are being violated, since those rights he/she
> once had were voluntarily forfeited the moment he/she committed the
> crime (which did violate the rights of his/her victim).
>
> Incidentally, I'm looking forward to the Spielberg/Cruise flick
> "MINORITY REPORT", which is based on a Philip K. Dick story... where
> people are considered criminals if a "mind-scan" of sorts can tell
> that a person WILL commit a crime (i.e. has a propensity to do the
> act), with no regard for the fact that the "crime" is never so much as
> attempted. Clearly, this "Dickian" twist is unwarranted in real
> society, but it should make for a damned interesting movie.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 4-06-2002
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "james611102" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> The constitution protects even the worst criminals against "cruel and
> unusual punishment" so I don't think that would work. Plus it
> wouldn't be any more of a deterent than the death penalty which
> numberous studies have proved is no deterent at all. And if we're
> respecting god's will there is a commandment that say "Thou shalt
> not kill" and I don't recall any exceptions to it. Hey, 'Ape
> Shall Never Kill Ape' wouldn't it be a better world if everyone
> believed 'Human Shall Never Kill Human'.
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Frankly, if a convicted murderer were to go under the knife
> instead of an innocent chimpanzee... I wouldn't really lose all that
> much sleep.
> How about you, Rory (or anybody else out there)?
>
> >I guess that's one way for them to give something back to humanity,
though I don't know how humane it is. Then again doing it to apes seems
less so. It certainly would be more of a deturant [deterrent] than the
death penalty!
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There's been quite a few in "Ape Chronicles" and "Ape Crazy". Licensed? Ha
ha ha ha! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...>
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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1007


> >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
> >Subject: Re: Al's tv series fic
> >"Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...> wrote:
> >> I got a copy of your story - do you want a copy since you've managed to
> >misplace it?
> >Thanks for the offer, but I'm not that bothered really.
>
>
> Hi, Alan,
>
> I'm curious about this story and I think I missed an email somewhere --
did
> you publish a Planet of the Apes story? If so, was it to a licensed
> publication or a fanzine?
>
> For that matter [to everyone on the group], have there ever been any
> licensed Apes short stories published, other than the ones in the three
> hardcover British annuals?
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
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