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Group: pota Message: 16411 From: ThyPentacle Date: 3/26/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16412 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 3/26/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
Group: pota Message: 16413 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you bastard!
Group: pota Message: 16414 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline
Group: pota Message: 16415 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
Group: pota Message: 16416 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16417 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: TNG [OP]
Group: pota Message: 16418 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
Group: pota Message: 16419 From: emr1623 Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
Group: pota Message: 16420 From: Melkor Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: Let's wrap it up!
Group: pota Message: 16421 From: thypentacle Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16422 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
Group: pota Message: 16423 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16424 From: thypentacle Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16425 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16426 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Razzie Dazzle
Group: pota Message: 16427 From: thypentacle Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16428 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16430 From: thypentacle Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
Group: pota Message: 16431 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: chimpette pics
Group: pota Message: 16432 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: chimpettes
Group: pota Message: 16433 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette pics
Group: pota Message: 16434 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpettes
Group: pota Message: 16436 From: thypentacle Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpettes
Group: pota Message: 16437 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpettes
Group: pota Message: 16438 From: patriot_ Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes Autographed Framed Print/Poster
Group: pota Message: 16439 From: james611102 Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
Group: pota Message: 16440 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
Group: pota Message: 16441 From: james611102 Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
Group: pota Message: 16442 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
Group: pota Message: 16443 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes Autographed Framed Prin
Group: pota Message: 16444 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: chimpette pics
Group: pota Message: 16445 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Big Apple Comic Conventions
Group: pota Message: 16446 From: james611102 Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
Group: pota Message: 16447 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you bastard!
Group: pota Message: 16448 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you silly!!!!!
Group: pota Message: 16449 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette pics
Group: pota Message: 16450 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: Patrick, you silly!!!!!
Group: pota Message: 16451 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: chimpette pics
Group: pota Message: 16452 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick, you silly!!!!!
Group: pota Message: 16453 From: valwp Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: chimpette pics
Group: pota Message: 16454 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick, you silly!!!!!
Group: pota Message: 16455 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Star Wars Music Video [OT]
Group: pota Message: 16456 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, Massachusetts
Group: pota Message: 16457 From: Rich Handley Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: (no subject)
Group: pota Message: 16458 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, M
Group: pota Message: 16459 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes]
Group: pota Message: 16460 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Spam
Group: pota Message: 16461 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16462 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Spam
Group: pota Message: 16463 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16464 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Spam (OT)
Group: pota Message: 16465 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes]
Group: pota Message: 16466 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16467 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16468 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16469 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16470 From: Eileen Rankin Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, M
Group: pota Message: 16471 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, M
Group: pota Message: 16472 From: Rich Handley Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Blow-by-blow breakdowns of POTA
Group: pota Message: 16473 From: Brian Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: DEEP SPACE APES
Group: pota Message: 16474 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16475 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, M
Group: pota Message: 16476 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16477 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES
Group: pota Message: 16478 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16479 From: emr1623 Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, M
Group: pota Message: 16480 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES
Group: pota Message: 16481 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, M
Group: pota Message: 16482 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES
Group: pota Message: 16483 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES
Group: pota Message: 16484 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Check out eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-05-02 17:45:04 PST ) - Pl
Group: pota Message: 16485 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268
Group: pota Message: 16486 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Spam (OT)
Group: pota Message: 16487 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: When it happened
Group: pota Message: 16488 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Other movies with POTA stars.
Group: pota Message: 16489 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268
Group: pota Message: 16490 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16491 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16492 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16493 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES
Group: pota Message: 16494 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-0
Group: pota Message: 16495 From: sand_hill_school Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16496 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Other movies with POTA stars.
Group: pota Message: 16497 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
Group: pota Message: 16498 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268
Group: pota Message: 16499 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-0
Group: pota Message: 16500 From: thypentacle Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Other movies with POTA stars.
Group: pota Message: 16501 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES
Group: pota Message: 16502 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-0
Group: pota Message: 16503 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-0
Group: pota Message: 16504 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Spam (OT)
Group: pota Message: 16505 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/31/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam (OT)
Group: pota Message: 16506 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 4/1/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Other movies with POTA stars.
Group: pota Message: 16507 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/1/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Other movies with POTA stars.
Group: pota Message: 16508 From: sand_hill_school Date: 4/1/2002
Subject: Re: Spam (OT)
Group: pota Message: 16509 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/1/2002
Subject: What is "Planet of the Apes"?
Group: pota Message: 16510 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/1/2002
Subject: They aren't playing around!
Group: pota Message: 16511 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 4/2/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] They aren't playing around!
Group: pota Message: 16512 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/2/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] And now for something completely different!



Group: pota Message: 16411 From: ThyPentacle Date: 3/26/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
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  LordTZer0@... wrote:


lol I agree that Zira is cute, but Ari is just a little cuter IMHO. :o)   In retrospect though, I wish I had used the word in a different example sentence.



Cutie is in the eye of the beholder.

True. I find them both cute, but there's just something about Ari that draws my attention a bit more than Zira. I think it must be those eyes of Helena's. :o)

 

ThyPentacle

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Group: pota Message: 16412 From: Ken and Heather Taylor Date: 3/26/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
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So Chuck's best loved AND least liked performances have both been in Planet
of the Apes movies.
KEN


<< Great! When I posted it APES had only three votes. Thanks POTA fans. I
think in the long run ol' Chuck is going to be better remembered for APES
than BEN-HUR.

-- Rory >>
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Group: pota Message: 16413 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you bastard!
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  I can't help but think of that TV show a while back, kind of an "X-Files" where they try to connect Roswell to every major political event like the Kennedy assassination, Woodstock, Watergate, etc. I think it was called "Dark Skies". Roswell is too easy. moink!  - - - Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you bastard!

In a message dated 3/26/02 1:21:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


Uh oh... I can just imagine how incredulous Rory's gonna get! Here
comes the shit-storm!

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-26-2002





Jesus H. Christ!  Will someone please rid me of this irksome POTA fan?   Patrick, to say you think too much would be a gross understatement.   What I don't understand now is why you complain about not having enough time to work on your "novel" yet you have more than enough time to write these absurd postings?  Have you no sense of decency?  Why do you plague me so?  Isn't it enough that I have to live with the corruption of the sequels, the TV show, the cartoon, the comics, and that most wretched of bastardizations that Fox gave us last year, but now I have to endure YOU throwing in everything from Roswell to ON THE BEACH into the POTA mix?  Have you no shame, you uber-fan geek boy?  Is there no spark of originality in that thing you call your mind?  YOU MANIAC!!!!  YOU POISON MY GUTS!!!!   WHEN I HATE YOU, I'M REALLY HATING THE DARK SIDE OF MYSELF!  Please show me some mercy and. . . . SHUT UP, YOU FREAK!!!!

-- AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Group: pota Message: 16414 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline
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Perhaps, but again, Zira and Cornelius only had chimp clothes. They
sketched - - sorry, Rory - - the others and maybe some buildings, carts,
etc. And yes, that is a leather chimp outfit at the beginning of "Conquest",
which is cool. Leather represents the rebel. Though it begs the question, if
Armando is so worried about Caesar being suspected of being the child of the
2 talking apes, why would he have him wear their clothing design?
- - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Original vs. Altered Timeline


> I always assumed that Armando saw the clothes that Cornelius and Zira wore
> and had copies made from his own memory. The suit that Caesar wears in the
> beginning of Conquest looks like a variant of the one Cornelius wore.
>
> ABMAC
>
> on 3/24/02 10:11 AM, patrickmichaeltilton at
patrickmichaeltilton@...
> wrote:
>
> > --- In pota@y..., MTotsky@a... wrote:
> >>
> >> In a message dated 3/21/02 5:24:24 PM, LordTZer0@A... writes:
> >>
> >> << Or Armando could have taken Poloroids of the proud parents, but
here's my
> >> theory...some lazy coustume designer got zero budget. >>
> >>
> >> Brilliant T...I think we can all agree that's the real reason why the
> >> costumes are the same, the fun is trying to think of a way work it in
the
> >> story.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >
> > *** There's just one problem (well, probably more than one, but here's
> > THIS particular one): when Breck first questions Armando about his
> > runaway chimp and Armando denies any connection with Zira and
> > Cornelius, Armando says, "You can question my Circus hands!" (i.e. the
> > grunts who help put on an "old-time circus" show). Then Breck replies,
> > "Oh, we will."
> > If Breck's goons, Kolp and Hoskyns, had access to Armando's circus
> > personnel, they also would have had access to all his property--and he
> > probably could have gotten some federal judge to issue a warrant to
> > search any and all of Armando's belongings, wherever they might be
> > (say, in his winter quarters near the Everglades, etc.). If Armando
> > had drawings or polaroids of Ape costume designs drawn by Cornelius,
> > that would look rather suspicious; WHY would he have them unless he
> > had some sort of connection with Cornelius? Since Armando himself
> > suggests that Breck have his circus hands investigated--knowing that
> > any search would probably not end there--it's safe to say that he
> > wouldn't have any incriminating "fashion designs" lying around for
> > investigators to latch onto.
> > Unless, perhaps, Armando destroyed all such incriminating pictures
> > prior to taking his starring attraction into the "city" to roust up
> > some business for his old-hat circus, perhaps in anticipation of any
> > possible suspicions that the Authorities might begin to have for
> > whatever reason...
> > But I doubt it.
> >
> > Patrick Michael Tilton
> > EARTH-TIME 3-24-2002
>
>
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 16415 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
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  "Ben Hur"? Wasn't that the sequel to "Willard"? The one with the Michael Jackson song? Mooble!   - - Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES

In a message dated 3/26/02 5:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, CheeseGOTAS@... writes:


In a message dated 3/25/02 7:00:19 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@...
writes:

<<  PLANET OF THE APES needs your votes!!!!
  >>

It does?  It has 83 votes right now, and in second place with 9 votes is Ben
Hur.  Tell ya something?  Yeah, Apes rules.

-Joe



Great!  When I posted it APES had only three votes.  Thanks POTA fans.  I think in the long run ol' Chuck is going to be better remembered for APES than BEN-HUR.

-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 16416 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
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True. I find them both cute, but there's just something about Ari that draws my attention a bit more than Zira. I think it must be those eyes of Helena's. :o)


True her dark eyes are compelling, if set a bit too far apart.  But Kim's hazel eyes make her unique among chimpettes.  And they have a sparkle that just shines.
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Group: pota Message: 16417 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: TNG [OP]
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Well, I just got my Star Trek Next Generation 1st episode DVD set.
And I must say, they did a hell of a job. DVD quality, 26 episodes from
season 1 and on the 7th Disc, about 5 documenturies from the creation to
interviews to behind the scenes. OUTSTANDING!

They also included a CD-ROM that gives you quicktime trailers on all the 7
season episodes plus the scripts. AMAZING!

And this is only the first season. Can't wait for the following season to be
released next month. The set cost $106.00 at Best Buy, and well worth it. I
only wish Fox had released something like this for the Planet of the Apes
T.V. Series.

It's too bad, Paramount, didn't release Planet of the Apes.

Best.
Al





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Group: pota Message: 16418 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
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Be Hur was meh for me.


Hmmm...what's wrong with this sentence?
Be Hur is obviously Ben Hur, but meh....hmmm
Isn't that what John Lone the Iceman said?

"Meeeeeeeeeeeeh Meh!"  Beetah!  Seka!
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Group: pota Message: 16419 From: emr1623 Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES
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Ben-Her? Yes, that's right Jeff... the one where we find out that
Michael Jackson and his little friend Ben are really
shemales...zoinkies
Eileen



--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> "Ben Hur"? Wasn't that the sequel to "Willard"? The one with the
Michael Jackson song? Mooble! - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON
HESTON MOVIES
>
>
> In a message dated 3/26/02 5:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
CheeseGOTAS@a... writes:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/25/02 7:00:19 AM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@a...
> writes:
>
> << PLANET OF THE APES needs your votes!!!!
> >>
>
> It does? It has 83 votes right now, and in second place with 9
votes is Ben
> Hur. Tell ya something? Yeah, Apes rules.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
> Great! When I posted it APES had only three votes. Thanks POTA
fans. I think in the long run ol' Chuck is going to be better
remembered for APES than BEN-HUR.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
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Group: pota Message: 16420 From: Melkor Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: Let's wrap it up!
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>
>Okay, let's try this as a topic: Say you were given an assignment from Fox
>to wrap up the original series of APES movies and the TV series. Fox sees
>them both as part of the same storyline and they want to just tie up all the
>loose ends and conclude the 'epic' so they can move on with 'new' apes (God
>help us all!). I'm not talking about 'unflubbing all the flubs,' I'm just
>talking about coming up with a logical conclusion to where we were left with
>how things appeared at the very end of BATTLE and with what we saw in the TV
>show. This is how I would tie it all together and conclude it. . . .
>
>The story would begin in 2670 A.D. at the very end of BATTLE with the
>Lawgiver talking to the children of Caesar's society. In this society apes
>and humans have learned to live together. Then a group of mutants appear


There is room for one more story after BATTLE and my story would start like
yours. It would open with the Lawgiver's funeral showing humans and apes
listening to his words on the importance of everyone getting along. Someone
declares his words to be sacred. The mutant government, however, is
isolationist and prohibits contact with the human/ape civilization of
the Lawgiver. When the mutants are attacked by a third culture of
aggressive apes, the mutants win out but almost resort to using the
Alpha-Omega bomb. One of the mutants is in secret contact with a group of
humans/apes, and tells them how the entire world was almost destroyed!
This group works together to destory the Alpha Omega bomb, and after it gets
destroyed the resulting mutant cultural shock overthrows the Mendez dynasty,
rejects the old religion, and establishes contacts with the human/ape culture.


>Jump ahead to 3978 A.D. Taylor's spaceship appears streaking across the
>sky. It crashlands in a lake in an arid desert. But as the ship sinks,
>Taylor and his surviving crew are aided by boaters in the lake, vacationing
>families of both apes and humans.

Perfect. My ending would be the same one too.


I would keep the TV show entirely separate. There would be an entire season
of guerilla war escalating into civil war, then a South African style ending
in the last episode. Due to the continued warfare Zaius and the conservatives
would be overthrown on the High Council by a faction led by Galen's father,
followed by a failed coup on Urko's part. The new council would grant equal
rights to humanity. Zaius would resign and Virden and Burke would be invited
to become the first two human members of the council.

-Tom
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Group: pota Message: 16421 From: thypentacle Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
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  LordTZer0@... wrote:


True. I find them both cute, but there's just something about Ari that draws my attention a bit more than Zira. I think it must be those eyes of Helena's. :o)



True her dark eyes are compelling, if set a bit too far apart.  But Kim's hazel eyes make her unique among chimpettes.  And they have a sparkle that just shines.

Agreed. They're both so cute it's really hard to pick a favorite sometimes! lol  :o)

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Group: pota Message: 16422 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 3/27/2002
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In a message dated 3/27/02 1:16:07 AM Central Standard Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

<< Hmmm...what's wrong with this sentence?
Be Hur is obviously Ben Hur, but meh....hmmm
Isn't that what John Lone the Iceman said?

"Meeeeeeeeeeeeh Meh!" Beetah! Seka! >>

No, Meh is like I could care less, but I still care a little. Between good
and bad. MEH!

-Joe, Meh.
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Group: pota Message: 16423 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
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Agreed. They're both so cute it's really hard to pick a favorite sometimes! lol  :o)


Well, one advantage Ari has, is with her, you wouldn't have to choose. 
She's isn't exactly coy, is she?  None too subtle.  And she is single.
She wouldn't be making furtive glances at fiances after kissing her.
She'd grab you with all four hands!
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Group: pota Message: 16424 From: thypentacle Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
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  LordTZer0@... wrote:


Agreed. They're both so cute it's really hard to pick a favorite sometimes! lol  :o)



 Well, one advantage Ari has, is with her, you wouldn't have to choose. 
 She's isn't exactly coy, is she?  None too subtle.  And she is single.
 She wouldn't be making furtive glances at fiances after kissing her.
 She'd grab you with all four hands!

Yes, I picture Ari being the type that would enjoy being in control and really getting into it with her partner. Like that Doctor said near the beginning of the new movie about that pregnant ape when Leo compliments Pericles on his, um, achievement, "Actually, the female was the aggressive one." I imagine Ari as the sexually aggressive type as well. At least that's the way I picture her taking me anyway. ;o)  Hmmm, just where is that 'perv line' anyway? I think I might have just crossed it again. lol

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Group: pota Message: 16425 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
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Well, I still think going after Nova is more across the line. If you can't
talk to her she's just a sex object. And in the book Zira felt that way as
well. Ulysses was looked on as an ape because he could talk. Nova was
considered an animal and sleeping with her was thought to be beneath him. I
think talking apes would have the same status. Ari may not put Pericles in a
cage, but she's if she's going to shack up with some one it's going to be
Leo.
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Group: pota Message: 16426 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/27/2002
Subject: Razzie Dazzle
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Moulin Rouge, Smoulin Rouge! The winners of this year's Razzies (worst of
the year) were announced and Fox swept it:

"Freddie Got Fingered": Worst Movie, Worst Actor, Worst Director, Worst
Screenplay

"Glitter": Worst Actress

"Planet of the Apes": Worst remake/sequel, Worst Supporting Actor (Heston),
Worst Supporting Actress (Warren)

A little remedy to all the backslapping at Fox over "Moulin Rouge". Keep up
the good work on the DVDs, though . Hoink out! - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES


> In a message dated 3/27/02 1:16:07 AM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> << Hmmm...what's wrong with this sentence?
> Be Hur is obviously Ben Hur, but meh....hmmm
> Isn't that what John Lone the Iceman said?
>
> "Meeeeeeeeeeeeh Meh!" Beetah! Seka! >>
>
> No, Meh is like I could care less, but I still care a little. Between
good
> and bad. MEH!
>
> -Joe, Meh.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 16427 From: thypentacle Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
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  LordTZer0@... wrote:


Well, I still think going after Nova is more across the line.  If you can't
talk to her she's just a sex object.  And in the book Zira felt that way as
well.  Ulysses was looked on as an ape because he could talk.  Nova was
considered an animal and sleeping with her was thought to be beneath him.  I
think talking apes would have the same status.  Ari may not put Pericles in a
cage, but she's if she's going to shack up with some one it's going to be
Leo.

Leo? Screw Leo! What about me?! :o)  Seriously though, I agree with everything else you said, just not the Leo thing. I don't like Leo. Leo needs to die badly. Have I mentioned that I think he's a dick? Oh, OK. lol

ThyPentacle

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Group: pota Message: 16428 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/28/2002
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Have I mentioned that I think he's a dick? Oh, OK. lol


Oh no he isn't...that was a prosthetic for that disco film.
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Group: pota Message: 16430 From: thypentacle Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette officially a word, kinda
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  LordTZer0@... wrote:


Have I mentioned that I think he's a dick? Oh, OK. lol



Oh no he isn't...that was a prosthetic for that disco film.

LOL - Oh, my mistake. :o)

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Group: pota Message: 16431 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: chimpette pics
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Group: pota Message: 16432 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 3/28/2002
Subject: chimpettes
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Group: pota Message: 16433 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette pics
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This is Kira, played by Jacqueline Scott.


I never much cared for Kira.
She's all business, and not in the dominatrix way that Wanda is.
That and she has a huge melon!  Fine for keeping her Dr.'s brain in, but . . .
Rosie O' Donnel has a smaller head.
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Group: pota Message: 16434 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpettes
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Thanks for the pics though.
Hey Pentaclese! Maybe I'll get to those Zira pics this weekend.
Then again, after that crack about her not being as cute, maybe I won't.
Nah, I probably will. Don't expect hi res though. Only real Zira fans rate
that!
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Group: pota Message: 16436 From: thypentacle Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpettes
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Yes Kassidy, thank you very much for those pics, you're the best! :o)

As for the Zira pics, those would be great LordTZer0. Don't worry about sending high rez, I'm not picky. Send me whatever you can whenever you can. I learned long ago that it's best to go with the flow and not take anything too seriously, so I'm pretty easy going in all matters. :o)

ThyPentacle

 

  LordTZer0@... wrote:

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Group: pota Message: 16437 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
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I learned long ago that it's best to go with the flow and not take anything too seriously, so I'm pretty easy going in all matters. :o)


Well, anyone who set up a Chimpette site and has such a good attitude rates med res at least!
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Group: pota Message: 16438 From: patriot_ Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Planet of the Apes Autographed Framed Print/Poster
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Sorry to bother anyone, but I recently won a Planet of the Apes
(2001) autographed movie poster/print in the Blockbuster Planet of
the Apes "Rule the Planet" Sweepstakes. The print is the Type "C"
and measures approximately 27x40. It is professionally framed,
making it a bit larger than the print, in a black metal frame.

The following actors/producers have signed the print:
Mark Wahlberg: Captain Leo Davidson
Tim Roth: General Thade
Helena Bonham Carter: Ari
Paul Giamatti: Limbo
Estella Warren: Daena
Producer: Richard D. Zanuck
Unknown Person in Right Corner (I have no idea as they just said that
various actors, directors and producers would sign the posters, but
did not specify whom.)<br><br>

I can send the original sweepstakes notification letter that I
received when I won the prize for authentication and verification
purposes. This autographed poster has been valued at $500 by the
sweepstakes center.<br><br>

Please email me at sthoke@... if you are interested in
purchasing this autographed poster/print.
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Group: pota Message: 16439 From: james611102 Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
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In 2000, they left out Desmond Llewelyn and DeForrest Kelly. Both
gentleman deserved better.


--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> You're damn right. I'm sorry to say it didn't occur to me. Some
could say,
> "Oh, he wasn't an actor, director, etc." But all they'd have to do
is flash
> the famous "Ape" makeup and people would get it. Plus, the famed
Oscar
> moment with the chimp. They blew
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:03 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
>
>
> > Did I blink? Did I miss something on tonight's Academy Awards
show? How
> could
> > they, during their annual "In Memorium" segment, fail to mention
John
> > Chambers' passing? Someone screwed up there.
> >
> > For me it was a big year for Hollywood deaths. One of my favorite
actors
> > (Jack Lemmon), my favorite TV actor (Carroll O'Conner), my
favorite
> animation
> > director (Chuck Jones), and one of my musical heroes (George
Harrison) all
> > passed away and all got a mention on tonight's Oscars. How could
my
> favorite
> > movie makeup man not?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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Group: pota Message: 16440 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
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In 2000, they left out Desmond Llewelyn and DeForrest Kelly. Both
gentleman deserved better


THat's funny I could be wrong but I seem to remember them being in there.
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Group: pota Message: 16441 From: james611102 Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
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Maybe I blinked LOL. BTW the Yahoo is weired. I wrote that on Monday
and it just got posted this morning.

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> > In 2000, they left out Desmond Llewelyn and DeForrest Kelly. Both
> > gentleman deserved better
>
> THat's funny I could be wrong but I seem to remember them being in
there.
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Group: pota Message: 16442 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed
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  But movies are making more money than ever. The Oscars were pretty bland, but for some reason it didn't bother me. I liked the folks who talked about the movies that hooked them. Tom Cruise's first "impact" film was "2001" at age 6. Who'da guessed? The lucky dog got to star in Kubrick's last movie. Snnock!  - - Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] John Chambers Gets Screwed

In a message dated 3/25/02 11:29:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:





  You're damn right. I'm sorry to say it didn't occur to me. Some could say,
"Oh, he wasn't an actor, director, etc." But all they'd have to do is flash
the famous "Ape" makeup and people would get it. Plus, the famed Oscar
moment with the chimp. They blew
    - - - Jeff




Blew who, Jeff?   Anyway, for the first time in years I didn't bother watching more than a few minutes of the Oscars.  Last years' movies were on the whole so mediocre it was a simple case of "Who cares?"  I'm really getting pissed that movies are getting so bad.

-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 16443 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes Autographed Framed Prin
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You should put it on eBay.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patriot_ [sthoke@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2002 7:29
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes Autographed Framed
> Print/Poster
>
>
> Sorry to bother anyone, but I recently won a Planet of the Apes
> (2001) autographed movie poster/print in the Blockbuster Planet of
> the Apes "Rule the Planet" Sweepstakes. The print is the Type "C"
> and measures approximately 27x40. It is professionally framed,
> making it a bit larger than the print, in a black metal frame.
>
> The following actors/producers have signed the print:
> Mark Wahlberg: Captain Leo Davidson
> Tim Roth: General Thade
> Helena Bonham Carter: Ari
> Paul Giamatti: Limbo
> Estella Warren: Daena
> Producer: Richard D. Zanuck
> Unknown Person in Right Corner (I have no idea as they just said that
> various actors, directors and producers would sign the posters, but
> did not specify whom.)<br><br>
>
> I can send the original sweepstakes notification letter that I
> received when I won the prize for authentication and verification
> purposes. This autographed poster has been valued at $500 by the
> sweepstakes center.<br><br>
>
> Please email me at sthoke@... if you are interested in
> purchasing this autographed poster/print.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 16444 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: chimpette pics
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You are welcome, Thy and Lor!  Only one more girly monkey to go for the tv series - Fauna, the blind one.

kassidy

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Group: pota Message: 16445 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Big Apple Comic Conventions
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  Don't you live near there, Rory? You and James can car pool. Donk!                                      - - - Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:18 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Check out Big Apple Comic Conventions

Click here: Big Apple Comic Conventions

Hey, I just want to give this heads up to anyone living in NYC here (hint, hint, James) but at the Big Apple Comic Convention this weekend will be Linda Harrison, and she'll be in the company of Joe Russo who'll be signing (what else?) his book.  Maybe if James' lungs are all cleaned out he can go.

-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 16446 From: james611102 Date: 3/29/2002
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OK I did my part.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> PLANET OF THE APES needs your votes!!!!
>
>
> <A HREF="http://www.freevote.com/booth/hestonmovies">Click here:
FAVORITE CHARLTON HESTON MOVIES</A>
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Group: pota Message: 16447 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you bastard!
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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
>I can't help but think of that TV show a while back, kind of an >"X-Files" where they try to connect Roswell to every major >political event like the Kennedy assassination, Woodstock, >Watergate, etc. I think it was called "Dark Skies". Roswell is >too easy. moink! - - - Jeff

*** It WAS called "Dark Skies"--a rather good show, and not just a
non-inspired rip-off of "The X-Files".
Think for a minute: if the Roswell Incident DID happen... then it was
a turning point not only for our country, but for the entire human
race--and the public has been kept in the dark about it. Lied to,
supposedly for their own good. There are all sorts of people out there
who imply that the subject is ONLY a laughable, silly thing; but if it
IS true, then it ain't no laughin' matter at all.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 11:30 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you bastard!
>
>In a message dated 3/26/02 1:21:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>Uh oh... I can just imagine how incredulous Rory's gonna get! Here
>comes the shit-storm!
>

> [Rory's fit of apoplexy:]
> Jesus H. Christ! Will someone please rid me of this irksome POTA fan? Patrick, to say you think too much would be a gross understatement. What I don't understand now is why you complain about not having enough time to work on your "novel" yet you have more than enough time to write these absurd postings? Have you no sense of decency? Why do you plague me so? Isn't it enough that I have to live with the corruption of the sequels, the TV show, the cartoon, the comics, and that most wretched of bastardizations that Fox gave us last year, but now I have to endure YOU throwing in everything from Roswell to ON THE BEACH into the POTA mix? Have you no shame, you uber-fan geek boy? Is there no spark of originality in that thing you call your mind? YOU MANIAC!!!! YOU POISON MY GUTS!!!! WHEN I HATE YOU, I'M REALLY HATING THE DARK SIDE OF MYSELF! Please show me some mercy and. . . . SHUT UP, YOU FREAK!!!!
>
> -- AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


*** As HAL-9000 once said, "You should take a stress pill, and think
things over..." Why does your 'shit-fit' not surprise me?

Rory, you seem to think that my referencing of the Roswell episode is
somehow "absurd" and "unoriginal". My reason for pursuing it has to do
with the primary difference between the film POTA and Boulle's novel:
the latter begins in the year 2500 A.D., when an interstellar space
voyage is so far into our future that it isn't necessarily implausible
to imagine it actually happening... but the former (the movie) opens
with Colonel Taylor chatting away during a SHIP-TIME of 7-14-1972, and
he specifically refers to them having left Cape Kennedy six months
earlier--i.e. around 1-14-1972. January 14th, 1972. An interstellar
mission. A spaceship which leaves the launch pad in 1972! Only about 3
and a half to four years later than the date the audience in the
theater first saw this fictional event. PREPOSTEROUS!
It's a conundrum, let's face it. How in the bloody f*cking hell did
the United States (in the fictional "POTA universe") acquire the
ability to create a propulsion system capable of sending a spaceship
hundreds of lightyears across space-time, at relativistic "nearly-the-
speed-of-light" velocities... BEFORE THE YEAR 1972?!
For thematic reasons, the Serling/Wilson script changed the premise
from a 26th Century Frenchman (Ulysse Merou) accompanying an eccentric
Professor and his friend, to CONTEMPORARY AMERICA sending out a
mission led by a man who is disillusioned with his own society (which
was "on the brink" of nuclear war), etc. The cautionary nature of the
novel (Man's "ennui" leading to a fall from civilized status) is
radically altered in the film into the same sort of thing that
Huxley's novel ("Ape and Essence") dealt with: the prospect of our
civilization destroying itself via nuclear weapons, unleashed by our
inner "bestial" nature. But in order for the film version to have it
that the protagonist is an American astronaut from a future only 3 to
4 years away (!!!), they have to present a most implausible scenario--
that the USA in 1972 has somehow developed the ability to accelerate a
spaceship to "near-light" velocity. HOW?!
This is one of the major conundrums I had to face as I began to sift
the alternatives when concocting my over-arching plotline. I had to
ask myself: How could the USA accomplish this? Is it likely that human
ingenuity in the half-century prior to 1972 could produce an
INTERSTELLAR STARDRIVE technology?
Because the "events" in the fictitious "POTA universe" obviously did
not/will not happen, then we are dealing with an alternate universe (a
sub-genre of its own in modern SF), in which the USA somehow DID
acquire the technology to send Taylor (et al.) out across hundreds of
lightyears. But HOW?
Taylor mentions "Cape Kennedy"; this clues us in that President
Kennedy was a part of the "shared past" that our real timeline and the
divergent POTA timeline have in common. Cape Canaveral was renamed
"Cape Kennedy" in honor of the slain President (it was later changed
back to "Cape Canaveral", and the facility was named the "Kennedy
Space Center"). So, John F. Kennedy and his assassination are both
part of the history of the POTA universe. Yet the President in ESCAPE
is NOT Nixon or Ford, which means that the two parallel universes
diverge sometime between 1964 and 1971 or so, in some way.
The atomic bombs which wiped out Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the
product of a project that was first suggested to President
F.D.Roosevelt by Albert Einstein, whose theory of Relativity
(especially the equation "E = mc^2") made it possible. And yet, the
ANSA propulsion system seems to have been developed by that Science
Advisor/expert-on-Time Dr. Otto Hasslein, who doesn't exist in our
"real" universe. How did he acquire his know-how regarding the
technological problem of actually accelerating a ship to the
relativistic velocities that Einstein first postulated?

The notion that a secret government "think-tank" could have been
established in order to "back-engineer" the wreckage from the crashed
"Roswell" extraterrestrial vessel seemed to me to provide a somewhat
more plausible solution to this problem.
What IF the Roswell incident actually happened, the way the
eyewitnesses said it did? Jesse Marcel Sr., who was the first
government official to see the debris, told Stanton Friedman (and
others) before he died that the government's "weather balloon"
explanation was a cover-up, and that he was ordered to back up that
story (he was a good soldier, and he did what he was told at the time,
although at the end of his life he "blew the lid" off that official
lie).
It makes more sense to me that the US government (in the POTA
universe) could have had a team of scientists working on the "top-
secret" project to back-engineer the alien technology that crashed in
early July, 1947... and that one of the geniuses working on it--Dr.
Hasslein--had the brainstorm, the "eureka-moment", to understand HOW
the baffling machinery actually worked. After years of work, the
fictional ANSA group develops the technology until, in late 1971, they
are able to send out the Virdon mission to Alpha Centauri and then the
Orion Mission in early 1972.

You once asked, Rory, WHAT it was I wanted to say in my novel... what
would the point be, or was it just "adventures among the monkeys"? I
answered then that my book would be about all the sorts of things that
interest me (in ADDITION to the source POTA films and TV episodes).
Well, one of the many things that interests me is the whole notion of
extraterrestrial intelligent life, and whether or not "contact" has
ever been made, and what sort of agenda might alien visitors have
regarding the human species. Taylor tells Landon that "somewhere in
the Universe there has to be something better than Man"; in other
words, the POTA scenario already addresses the notion of non-Earthly
intelligence--the "superior" lifeforms that Taylor is searching for.
For reasons that are NEVER explicitly stated, Taylor's mission is out
to a star system that is 320 lightyears away from Earth. Why? Why not
just send them out to one of the nearest stars, like Tau Ceti, or
Epsilon Eridani? Why send them all that way, 320 LY? The fact that the
actual "canon" never clues the audience in on the REASON for the
Taylor mission going to that particular destination in Orion provided
me with the opportunity to develop a plausible reason for such a
voyage. Part of my plot involves the discovery by the US government of
not only the wreckage of a downed alien vessel (and WHY it crashed),
but also the reason those aliens were here in the first place and
WHERE they came from.
Whether you like it or not, Rory (and whoever else out there wants to
scoff at my plot-scenario), something out-of-the-ordinary did indeed
happen in New Mexico in July of 1947; too many witnesses have come
forward to describe having had their lives threatened by the military
for what they had seen and touched (i.e. actual debris from the Brazel
ranch) for it to have been "just" a mistaken weather balloon, or the
government's latest lie of it being a Project MOGUL device. I don't
pretend to know exactly WHAT it was that crashed on the Brazel ranch,
but I do know that the so-called "debunkers" have yet to explain the
death threats made by the military against civilian eye-witnesses, and
that element of the story goes far towards convincing me that
SOMETHING unknown was acquired by the Army, and that they felt it was
important enough to threaten to commit murder in order to keep it
secret. Besides, one of the major themes of the POTA saga concerns the
notion of Governmental Secrecy, and the "official lies" that are told
to the citizenry by those in "authority" over them. Zaius is part of a
group which knows the Truth, yet perpetuates an official Lie; the
State coerces its citizens to follow the "rules" (threatening "heresy"
or "apostacy" against any who might seek to explore in an area that is
"forbidden" to them). Breck never divulged to the people of his City
that he believed the Talking Ape child of the Ape-onauts was still
alive and fomenting rebellion--when the news announcer breaks the
story that "Ape Management is in the hands of the apes", and that they
are being led by a chimp who has acquired the power of speech, and
that he might be the son of Zira and Cornelius, "who came to us out of
the future" (etc.), Breck yells, "That IDIOT! Have him issue a
retraction; tell him that the talking ape has been apprehended and
executed" (etc.). Breck had thought that the problem had been "nipped
in the bud", that Caesar was dead ("But I saw you die!")... and
there's no indication that he had issued a press bulletin describing
the efforts of Kolp and Hoskyns, and Caesar's capture and
electrocution. Again, the government (Breck) keeps the populace in the
dark, keeping "official secrets"--which keeps the people ignorant.
Remember what Zira said when Zaius asked, "Why? Is 'innocence' so
evil?": "IGNORANCE IS!" "There is a TIME for Truth!" "And the Time is
ALWAYS NOW."
For that matter, does Caesar ever tell his mixed-race community about
the taped revelation from his dead parents-from-the-Future, that the
Earth will be destroyed in the year 3950 (as he heard it)? When the
Lawgiver, 600 years after Caesar's death, tells his story, it does
seem that this Knowledge about Earth's fate is included... but could
that be because Virgil (for instance) wrote down his version of the
BATTLE story and passed it down to his pupils, one descendant of which
eventually became the religious leader called "Lawgiver", who wanted
the people to have this knowledge? This theme (of "secrecy" for
reasons of "national security" vs. "full-disclosure" to the People
whose government it is, etc.) is one of the main reasons that the POTA
saga was not just a bunch of silly friggin adventures.

Do YOU, Rory, think that the Gov't has told us the truth about
WHATEVER really happened at Roswell? I, for one, do NOT. I love my
country, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that those in power by
and large want the public to be informed about all sorts of topics
that fall under the rubric of "national security". Our government
STILL has secrets from World War II that we may never know about (the
gov't admits this); the actions of our military over in Afghanistan
(and elsewhere) are, for the most part, hidden from public scrutiny--
whatever our media has passed on to us represents only a small
percentage of what's REALLY happening over there. Our Gov't told us
that JFK was killed by a "lone nut", and that there was no big
conspiracy... and yet the FBI/CIA/etc. files were SEALED until 2012
(or whenever)! It's like a little kid who tries to obviously hide
something behind his back, yet denies having anything.

President JFK (and his assassination) are a part of the "POTA
universe" history; the Roswell incident--which PRE-DATES the JFK
assassination--is ALSO a part of that history... and IF the Roswell
incident really was what the Ufologists say it was--the acquisition by
the US Gov't of ALIEN technology--and if such a scenario helps to
explain not only how the US could send out interstellar spaceships in
the early 1970's but also might account for the destination of
Taylor's mission to Orion (and, perhaps, somehow for the acquisition
by Chimpanzees, Orangutans, and Gorillas of the POWER OF SPEECH prior
to the "advent" of the Ape-onauts), then that's justification enough
to me to address it in my plot. I have YET to see anybody else's
explanation for Mandemus' ability to speak--and he's OLDER than
Caesar, mind you. What do YOU think, Rory, might be the explanation?
Did the enslaved apes get injected with the same "anti-retardation"
drug that they used in "Flowers for Algernon"/"Charly"? C'mon, cough
up a plausible scenario that explains this peculiar problematic detail
of BATTLE, I dares ya!

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-29-2002
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Group: pota Message: 16448 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Patrick, you silly!!!!!
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.htmlIn a message dated 3/29/02 12:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


Think for a minute: if the Roswell Incident DID happen... then it was
a turning point not only for our country, but for the entire human
race--and the public has been kept in the dark about it. Lied to,
supposedly for their own good. There are all sorts of people out there
who imply that the subject is ONLY a laughable, silly thing; but if it
IS true, then it ain't no laughin' matter at all.



Only silly asses think for one millisecond that it really happened.  COME ON!!!!  The next thing you'll tell me is that the great apes will someday rule over man!

However, I did enjoy the DEEP SPACE NINE episode that played with the Roswell "MYTH"!

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 16449 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] chimpette pics
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.htmlIn a message dated 3/29/02 12:14:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, valwp@... writes:


From "The Surgeon".  This is Kira, played by Jacqueline Scott.


Miss Scott is interviewed in the latest issue of FANGORIA.  She talks about doing APES.  She thought the script to THE GOOD SEEDS was one of the funniest things she ever read.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 16450 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: Patrick, you silly!!!!!
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--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/29/02 12:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>>Think for a minute: if the Roswell Incident DID happen... then it was a turning point not only for our country, but for the entire human
race--and the public has been kept in the dark about it. Lied to,
supposedly for their own good. There are all sorts of people out there
who imply that the subject is ONLY a laughable, silly thing; but if it
IS true, then it ain't no laughin' matter at all.

> Only silly asses think for one millisecond that it really happened. COME ON!!!! The next thing you'll tell me is that the great apes will someday rule over man!
> However, I did enjoy the DEEP SPACE NINE episode that played with the Roswell
> "MYTH"!
> -- Rory

Rory... you're so trusting. All governments lie to their constituents.
The phrase "need to know" was coined by people in the military who
felt that only certain people should be "privileged" to have access to
certain information--and that ain't "Joe Citizen".
Face facts: the 1st explanation the Army had regarding the Roswell
event was stated in the press release that Col. Blanchard had Walter
Haut write up--that the Army had recovered a flying disc (one of the
scores of unknown aircraft that had been witnessed by hundreds of
people during the previous month--including the famous Kenneth Arnold
sighting, where he clocked a formation of the mysterious things flying
about 1200 mph over Mt. Rainier. Why the hell would a colonel in the
Army Air Force tell an underling to issue a press release like that
UNLESS he knew it to be true?
The 2nd explanation--after Blanchard's superiors realized that the
Press worldwide now knew that a "flying disc" had been recovered
(which was obviously felt to be NOT in the interests of the armed
forces)--was that somehow a common weather balloon had been mistaken
for a downed flying disc--an admitted lie, since their NEXT
explanation (the 3rd) was that it was a Project MOGUL balloon array.

Marcel--who was THERE, you 'silly ass', Rory--broke his silence well
after his retirement from the service; he stated categorically that
the debris was NOT anything we had developed, and the materials it was
made of defied any rational explanation they could propose (the
uncuttable "foil" material which could be crumpled up yet always
reverted back to its original form, etc.), meaning that they'd ruled
out the Russians as the source of the debris. Marcel didn't want to go
down in history as a friggin idiot who couldn't tell a weather balloon
(of which the Roswell base regularly sent up scores) from a flying
disc--he had to take the "fall", on orders pretending to have somehow
made a stupid mistake.
The government has NOT said that flying saucers don't exist; rather,
they've stated that they don't represent any threat to "national
security". Several writers have proven--via FOIA requests and
interviews--that the CIA has been studying UFO phenomena from the get-
go (the CIA was established that very year: 1947), although it denies
any interest in the matter.

Granted, there's a lotta hooey written about UFOs; but there are well-
researched, responsibly-written books out there (including one called
"Out There" by Howard Blum I think) which cover the evidence. You
should do us all a favor and read 'em before making a carte blanche
statement like "only silly asses think for one millisecond..." etc. If
you've established your view of the matter only by watching that DS9
episode, or by reading Weekly World News, you're depriving yourself.
But, hey, you probably buy into the Warren Commission's conclusions
regarding the JFK assassination (i.e. only Oswald, a "lone gunman");
only a "silly ass" would believe Arlen Specter's theory that a single
undamaged bullet could plow through JFK's body, Gov. Connolly's body &
wrist, etc., all the while zigzagging like a pinball.

Will "great apes" someday rule over Man? Oh, I doubt it... but it
seems as if SOME great apes rule over the yahoo chat-groups.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-29-2002
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Group: pota Message: 16451 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: chimpette pics
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Only one more girly monkey to go for the tv series - Fauna, the blind one.


What about the one's in The Good Seeds someone was talking about?
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Group: pota Message: 16452 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick, you silly!!!!!
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.htmlIn a message dated 3/29/02 4:42:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


Will "great apes" someday rule over Man? Oh, I doubt it... but it
seems as if SOME great apes rule over the yahoo chat-groups.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 3-29-2002


How dare you insult apes?!!!!
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Group: pota Message: 16453 From: valwp Date: 3/29/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: chimpette pics
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>
> What about the one's in The Good Seeds someone was talking about?
Already posted! Check back messages -
Kassidy
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Group: pota Message: 16454 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick, you silly!!!!!
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Well, that's one of the major themes of "Planet of the Apes", governmental
cover-ups. Does the name Dr. Zauis ring a bell? I just think if there's all
this UFO activity, with all our Hubbles and radars...how come we never
see'em? That's why I could never buy into "Star Trek" with all it's aliens.
We seem pretty alone in the universe. At least apes exist. When the
government starts saying apes don't exist, then I'll worry.
- - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:39 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Patrick, you silly!!!!!


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 3/29/02 12:25:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> >>Think for a minute: if the Roswell Incident DID happen... then it was a
turning point not only for our country, but for the entire human
> race--and the public has been kept in the dark about it. Lied to,
> supposedly for their own good. There are all sorts of people out there
> who imply that the subject is ONLY a laughable, silly thing; but if it
> IS true, then it ain't no laughin' matter at all.
>
> > Only silly asses think for one millisecond that it really happened.
COME ON!!!! The next thing you'll tell me is that the great apes will
someday rule over man!
> > However, I did enjoy the DEEP SPACE NINE episode that played with the
Roswell
> > "MYTH"!
> > -- Rory
>
> Rory... you're so trusting. All governments lie to their constituents.
> The phrase "need to know" was coined by people in the military who
> felt that only certain people should be "privileged" to have access to
> certain information--and that ain't "Joe Citizen".
> Face facts: the 1st explanation the Army had regarding the Roswell
> event was stated in the press release that Col. Blanchard had Walter
> Haut write up--that the Army had recovered a flying disc (one of the
> scores of unknown aircraft that had been witnessed by hundreds of
> people during the previous month--including the famous Kenneth Arnold
> sighting, where he clocked a formation of the mysterious things flying
> about 1200 mph over Mt. Rainier. Why the hell would a colonel in the
> Army Air Force tell an underling to issue a press release like that
> UNLESS he knew it to be true?
> The 2nd explanation--after Blanchard's superiors realized that the
> Press worldwide now knew that a "flying disc" had been recovered
> (which was obviously felt to be NOT in the interests of the armed
> forces)--was that somehow a common weather balloon had been mistaken
> for a downed flying disc--an admitted lie, since their NEXT
> explanation (the 3rd) was that it was a Project MOGUL balloon array.
>
> Marcel--who was THERE, you 'silly ass', Rory--broke his silence well
> after his retirement from the service; he stated categorically that
> the debris was NOT anything we had developed, and the materials it was
> made of defied any rational explanation they could propose (the
> uncuttable "foil" material which could be crumpled up yet always
> reverted back to its original form, etc.), meaning that they'd ruled
> out the Russians as the source of the debris. Marcel didn't want to go
> down in history as a friggin idiot who couldn't tell a weather balloon
> (of which the Roswell base regularly sent up scores) from a flying
> disc--he had to take the "fall", on orders pretending to have somehow
> made a stupid mistake.
> The government has NOT said that flying saucers don't exist; rather,
> they've stated that they don't represent any threat to "national
> security". Several writers have proven--via FOIA requests and
> interviews--that the CIA has been studying UFO phenomena from the get-
> go (the CIA was established that very year: 1947), although it denies
> any interest in the matter.
>
> Granted, there's a lotta hooey written about UFOs; but there are well-
> researched, responsibly-written books out there (including one called
> "Out There" by Howard Blum I think) which cover the evidence. You
> should do us all a favor and read 'em before making a carte blanche
> statement like "only silly asses think for one millisecond..." etc. If
> you've established your view of the matter only by watching that DS9
> episode, or by reading Weekly World News, you're depriving yourself.
> But, hey, you probably buy into the Warren Commission's conclusions
> regarding the JFK assassination (i.e. only Oswald, a "lone gunman");
> only a "silly ass" would believe Arlen Specter's theory that a single
> undamaged bullet could plow through JFK's body, Gov. Connolly's body &
> wrist, etc., all the while zigzagging like a pinball.
>
> Will "great apes" someday rule over Man? Oh, I doubt it... but it
> seems as if SOME great apes rule over the yahoo chat-groups.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 3-29-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 16455 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Star Wars Music Video [OT]
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A new Star Wars Music Video at: www.calima5021.com

Alright, so I had nothing else better to do.
Intitled, Anakin Skywalker.

It will be online Saturday Morning.

Best.
Al

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Group: pota Message: 16456 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
Subject: Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, Massachusetts
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Attachments :
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    Group: pota Message: 16457 From: Rich Handley Date: 3/30/2002
    Subject: (no subject)
    .html
    Heads up, everyone...

    Yahoogroups has just made a sneaky change to everybody's Marketing
    Preferences, the result of which will be a load of spam -- they made all of
    the choices "Yes," even if you specified them as "No." I can't believe
    those rat bastards have the right to do this, but they can -- and they have
    -- so make sure to cover yourself a.s.a.p. before you get a barrage of spam
    online, in your postal mail, and on the phone! To change them, go to "My
    Groups," click on "Account Info," verify your password if it asks you to,
    and your Yahoo ID card comes up. Click on "Edit your Marketing Preferences"
    and change all those "Yes"s back to to "No"s, then click on "Save Changes."
    Don't let those assholes force spam down your throat!

    Rich
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    Group: pota Message: 16458 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, M
    .html
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      I met Roger Fouts and Jane Goodall in 2000 and they signed my Eric Greene book. In his book Fouts said "Apes" was a poor representation of apes (he was a consultant of "Greystoke" and wanted to do better) so I didn't bring up the movies, but I know Goodall grew up a fan of Tarzan and Dr. Dolittle. Plock!                                                  - - - Jeff
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 7:24 AM
    Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, Massachusetts

    The Anti-Vivisectionist Society is up in arms!

    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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    Group: pota Message: 16459 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/30/2002
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes]
    .html
    Attachments :
      Now you know why I use a hotmail address.
      You can't spam this baby.

      I can block out any e-mail address in which I please.

      best.
      Al


      >From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
      >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      >To: Flash-Gordon_Buck-Rogers_comics@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com,
      >b5gang@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: [Planet of the Apes]
      >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:03:38 -0500
      >




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      Group: pota Message: 16460 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Spam
      .html
      Do you have anything WITHOUT Spam in it?

      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Rich Handley [handleyr@...]
      > Sent: Sunday, 31 March 2002 2:04
      > To: Flash-Gordon_Buck-Rogers_comics@yahoogroups.com;
      > pota@yahoogroups.com; b5gang@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Planet of the Apes]
      >
      >
      > Heads up, everyone...
      >
      > Yahoogroups has just made a sneaky change to everybody's Marketing
      > Preferences, the result of which will be a load of spam -- they
      > made all of
      > the choices "Yes," even if you specified them as "No." I can't believe
      > those rat bastards have the right to do this, but they can -- and
      > they have
      > -- so make sure to cover yourself a.s.a.p. before you get a
      > barrage of spam
      > online, in your postal mail, and on the phone! To change them, go to "My
      > Groups," click on "Account Info," verify your password if it asks you to,
      > and your Yahoo ID card comes up. Click on "Edit your Marketing
      > Preferences"
      > and change all those "Yes"s back to to "No"s, then click on "Save
      > Changes."
      > Don't let those assholes force spam down your throat!
      >
      > Rich
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 16461 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
      .html
      .htmlIn a message dated 3/30/02 4:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


      Do you have anything WITHOUT Spam in it?



      I like spam!  SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!

      Actually, we already get a lot of spam here -- they're called Patrick's postings!!!  

      E CHU TA!  PATRICK!

      -- Rory
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      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 16462 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Spam
      .html
      .html
      All right then I'll have Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam, eggs and Spam without any eggs please.
       
       
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
      Sent: Sunday, 31 March 2002 7:51
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam

      In a message dated 3/30/02 4:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


      Do you have anything WITHOUT Spam in it?



      I like spam!  SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!

      Actually, we already get a lot of spam here -- they're called Patrick's postings!!!  

      E CHU TA!  PATRICK!

      -- Rory


      Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 16463 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
      .html
      .htmlNo, I'm having the spam without any eggs!  You have it without bacon!  Then we'll have for dessert..... SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!

      I want some SPAM!   Spam on toast with no eggs, but with a bit of sausage and some more spam!  And make sure you put extra spam on my spam.

      (You know, actually I've never had spam in me life, but I'm sure I'd hate it if I did.)

      SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!
      <.html
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 16464 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Spam (OT)
      .html
      .html
      Actually, it isn't that bad.  Just a tinned "braides" meat of the pork variety I believe.
       
      Michael
       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
      Sent: Sunday, 31 March 2002 8:10
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam

      No, I'm having the spam without any eggs!  You have it without bacon!  Then we'll have for dessert..... SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!

      I want some SPAM!   Spam on toast with no eggs, but with a bit of sausage and some more spam!  And make sure you put extra spam on my spam.

      (You know, actually I've never had spam in me life, but I'm sure I'd hate it if I did.)

      SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!
      <.html
      <.html
      Group: pota Message: 16465 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes]
      .html
      Thanks for the heads up!
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      Group: pota Message: 16466 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
      .html
      I'd prefer green eggs and spam myself.

      Best.
      Al


      >From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
      >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
      >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
      >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:01:38 +1000
      >
      >All right then I'll have Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam,Spam, Spam,Spam,
      >Spam,Spam, Spam, eggs and Spam without any eggs please.
      >
      >
      >
      >-----Original Message-----
      >From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
      >Sent: Sunday, 31 March 2002 7:51
      >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
      >
      >
      >In a message dated 3/30/02 4:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
      >whitty@... writes:
      >
      >
      >
      > Do you have anything WITHOUT Spam in it?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >I like spam! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!
      >
      >Actually, we already get a lot of spam here -- they're called Patrick's
      >postings!!!
      >
      >E CHU TA! PATRICK!
      >
      >-- Rory
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
      >




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      Group: pota Message: 16467 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
      .html
      I like mayonaise on my Spam sandwiches. And lettuce! How about you? Spam
      was very popular during WWII. Poink! - - - Jeff


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
      To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 2:45 PM
      Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Spam


      > Do you have anything WITHOUT Spam in it?
      >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Rich Handley [handleyr@...]
      > > Sent: Sunday, 31 March 2002 2:04
      > > To: Flash-Gordon_Buck-Rogers_comics@yahoogroups.com;
      > > pota@yahoogroups.com; b5gang@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes]
      > >
      > >
      > > Heads up, everyone...
      > >
      > > Yahoogroups has just made a sneaky change to everybody's Marketing
      > > Preferences, the result of which will be a load of spam -- they
      > > made all of
      > > the choices "Yes," even if you specified them as "No." I can't believe
      > > those rat bastards have the right to do this, but they can -- and
      > > they have
      > > -- so make sure to cover yourself a.s.a.p. before you get a
      > > barrage of spam
      > > online, in your postal mail, and on the phone! To change them, go to "My
      > > Groups," click on "Account Info," verify your password if it asks you
      to,
      > > and your Yahoo ID card comes up. Click on "Edit your Marketing
      > > Preferences"
      > > and change all those "Yes"s back to to "No"s, then click on "Save
      > > Changes."
      > > Don't let those assholes force spam down your throat!
      > >
      > > Rich
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >

      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Group: pota Message: 16468 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/30/2002
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        Hey, I think I have a new sign-off instead of Toodles! Spam.                                                - - - Jeff
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
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      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam

      No, I'm having the spam without any eggs!  You have it without bacon!  Then we'll have for dessert..... SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!

      I want some SPAM!   Spam on toast with no eggs, but with a bit of sausage and some more spam!  And make sure you put extra spam on my spam.

      (You know, actually I've never had spam in me life, but I'm sure I'd hate it if I did.)

      SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!


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      Group: pota Message: 16469 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/30/2002
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        I like mayonaise on my Spam sandwiches. And lettuce! How about you? Spam
      was very popular during WWII. Poink! 


      Not Fargin' way!
      Yuk!  I used to have to eat those Glop Sandwiches in military school once a week!
      More lettuce and mayo than ham chunks.  ish!
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      Group: pota Message: 16470 From: Eileen Rankin Date: 3/30/2002
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      what the flock is an anti-vivisectionist?  I know vivi is a character on final fantasy nine.
      Eileen 
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Haristas@...
      Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:26 AM
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, Massachusetts
       
      The Anti-Vivisectionist Society is up in arms!


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      Group: pota Message: 16471 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 3/30/2002
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      In a message dated 3/30/02 11:28:44 PM Central Standard Time, emr1623@...
      writes:

      << what the flock is an anti-vivisectionist? I know vivi is a character on
      final fantasy nine.
      Eileen >>

      Final Fantasy smells.

      -Joe
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      Group: pota Message: 16472 From: Rich Handley Date: 3/30/2002
      Subject: Blow-by-blow breakdowns of POTA
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      Does anyone here have a detailed breakdown of the five POTA films and TV
      episodes that they might be able to email me? I'm looking for an extremely
      detailed breakdown -- the more detailed, the better. Thanks!

      Also, did anyone here get a copy of that Spanish POTA comic Ken Taylor
      mentioned a while back that had a story set in the TV era? I'd love to get
      a copy of that.

      Thanks in advance!
      Rich
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      Group: pota Message: 16473 From: Brian Date: 3/30/2002
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        Hey Kids,

        Apemania's General Ursus and some soldiers crashed a hollywood party in Studio
        City last weekend.
        Okay, so it wasn't much of a crash being that they were invited.
        Chase Masterson from "Deep Space Nine" shared cake with the ol' Gen.
        Okay, maybe he forced it away from her, but who's gunna argue with a 300 lb
        gorilla?

        Watch your treats tomorrow!

        HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!!!!

        Brian
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        Group: pota Message: 16474 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 3/31/2002
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        --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
        > In a message dated 3/30/02 4:45:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
        > whitty@c... writes:
        >
        >
        > > Do you have anything WITHOUT Spam in it?
        > >

        > I like spam! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM!
        >
        > Actually, we already get a lot of spam here -- they're called Patrick's postings!!!
        >
        > E CHU TA! PATRICK!
        >
        > -- Rory

        Stupendous
        Planet of the
        Apes
        Messages

        Yeah, my postings are S.P.A.M.!!!
        GE ZOON TIGHT! RORY!

        Patrick Michael Tilton
        EARTH-TIME 3-31-2002
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        Group: pota Message: 16475 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
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        .htmlIn a message dated 3/31/02 12:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, emr1623@... writes:


        what the flock is an anti-vivisectionist?  I know vivi is a character on final fantasy nine.
        Eileen



        Ever hear of a dictionary?    Anyway, a vivisectionist is someone who does surgical experiments on living animals.   If you're someone who thinks animals have a right to be left alone by man, especially when it comes to whether or not they'll submit to going under the knife (which of course they can't knowledgeably consent to), then you care very much that surgery on animals not be done at all, or at least not be of an unethical nature.  Those completely against it are anti-vivisectionists.  The famous English writer H. G. Wells (maybe you've heard of him?) was an anti-vivisectionist and this led him to write the classic novel "The Island of Dr. Moreau."

        I would actually welcome some thoughts from Patrick on this subject.

        -- Rory
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        Group: pota Message: 16476 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
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        .htmlIn a message dated 3/30/02 8:16:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


        Spam was very popular during WWII. Poink!                    - - - Jeff

        So was shooting people.  POINK!!
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        Group: pota Message: 16477 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
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          .htmlOh, I'd like to monkey around with that Chase Masterson.

          You guys really need to put Ursus on a diet.  Have you no pity for the horse he has to ride on?

          Are you folks at Apemania still hearing from some at these appearences that the new movie "sucked"?   Oh, the humiliation!

          Hey, it's Easter!  Book this movie for Easter!

          -- Rory
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          Group: pota Message: 16478 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
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          .htmlIn a message dated 3/31/02 8:16:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


          Yeah, my postings are S.P.A.M.!!!
          GE ZOON TIGHT!  RORY!

          Patrick Michael Tilton
          EARTH-TIME 3-31-2002





          Okay, Patrick, let's stop being the Israel and Palestine of this group.  Got any thoughts on vivisection -- and please, don't bring Roswell into it.

          -- Rory
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          Group: pota Message: 16479 From: emr1623 Date: 3/31/2002
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          what's a dictionary? Anyway, thanks for the explanation...
          what do I need a dictionary for anyway? I got you to do the legwork,
          didn't I? Seriously tho, thanks.
          As for the rest of what you said... I don't like to spend a lot of
          time thinking about animal experimentation, it saddens me. BUT (and
          there's always a but...) 4 weeks ago my father recieved an aortic
          stent graft (and he jokes about it coming from a baboon... it's
          actually a metal alloy), anyway, I am thankful he's still around to
          joke about anything at all. Furthermore, I would like to give my
          thanks and condolences to any animal that may have been used in
          testing of such procedures. Will I loose sleep over the quandry? NO!
          -Eileen (some call me cold bitch... I call myself a realist)

          h.g. wells? did he write books or something? Val Kilmer, Michael
          York, Marlon Brando (could he get any fatter?)
          THE HORROR... THE HORROR... ooops, wrong movie LOL


          --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
          > In a message dated 3/31/02 12:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
          emr1623@m...
          > writes:
          >
          >
          > > what the flock is an anti-vivisectionist? I know vivi is a
          character on
          > > final fantasy nine.
          > > Eileen
          > >
          > >
          >
          > Ever hear of a dictionary? Anyway, a vivisectionist is someone
          who does
          > surgical experiments on living animals. If you're someone who
          thinks
          > animals have a right to be left alone by man, especially when it
          comes to
          > whether or not they'll submit to going under the knife (which of
          course they
          > can't knowledgeably consent to), then you care very much that
          surgery on
          > animals not be done at all, or at least not be of an unethical
          nature. Those
          > completely against it are anti-vivisectionists. The famous English
          writer H.
          > G. Wells (maybe you've heard of him?) was an anti-vivisectionist
          and this led
          > him to write the classic novel "The Island of Dr. Moreau."
          >
          > I would actually welcome some thoughts from Patrick on this subject.
          >
          > -- Rory
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          Group: pota Message: 16480 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
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          Haristas@... wrote:

           Oh, I'd like to monkey around with that Chase Masterson.
          Yeah, she's a real "swinger".  Heheheh
           

          You guys really need to put Ursus on a diet.  Have you no pity for the horse he has to ride on?

          Horse?  He ate that too!
           

          Are you folks at Apemania still hearing from some at these appearences that the new movie "sucked"?   Oh, the humiliation!

          What new movie?  Oh, that's what it was?  Coulda fooled me.  In all seriousness, the APEMANIA gang has to support the new film (allbeit) in humorous ways because we are part of the same franchise.
           

          Hey, it's Easter!  Book this movie for Easter!

          Easter?  What's that?  A star? A Planet?  What?
           

          -- Rory
           

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          Group: pota Message: 16481 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
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            Patrick says "Island of Dr. Moreau" took place before "Conquest" but after "Escape". Cornelius and Zira gave Moreau the idea. Spam.           - - Jeff
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
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          In a message dated 3/31/02 12:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, emr1623@... writes:


          what the flock is an anti-vivisectionist?  I know vivi is a character on final fantasy nine.
          Eileen



          Ever hear of a dictionary?    Anyway, a vivisectionist is someone who does surgical experiments on living animals.   If you're someone who thinks animals have a right to be left alone by man, especially when it comes to whether or not they'll submit to going under the knife (which of course they can't knowledgeably consent to), then you care very much that surgery on animals not be done at all, or at least not be of an unethical nature.  Those completely against it are anti-vivisectionists.  The famous English writer H. G. Wells (maybe you've heard of him?) was an anti-vivisectionist and this led him to write the classic novel "The Island of Dr. Moreau."

          I would actually welcome some thoughts from Patrick on this subject.

          -- Rory


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          Group: pota Message: 16482 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
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            I've been watching "Ben Hur" for Easter. Sure is hokey, but the DVD has a good documentary about it. On a par with "Behind the POTA". Spam.    - - Jeff
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:57 AM
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES

          Oh, I'd like to monkey around with that Chase Masterson.

          You guys really need to put Ursus on a diet.  Have you no pity for the horse he has to ride on?

          Are you folks at Apemania still hearing from some at these appearences that the new movie "sucked"?   Oh, the humiliation!

          Hey, it's Easter!  Book this movie for Easter!

          -- Rory


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          Group: pota Message: 16483 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
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          .htmlIn a message dated 3/31/02 1:52:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


          I've been watching "Ben Hur" for Easter. Sure is hokey, but the DVD has a good documentary about it. On a par with "Behind the POTA". Spam.    - - Jeff




          Ben-Hur?   Is that the one where Chuck is really gay, but he won't 'give in' to Stephen Boyd, so Stephen decides to be a real bitch and make Chuck row a boat all day with a lot of other sweaty, half-naked men, that is, until the ship's captain finds he really 'likes' Chuck a lot adopts him as his 'son'?  The one where Gore Vidal helped write the screenplay?

          Never seen it.

          Now, don't forget that "The Ten Commandments" is also on tonight.  Talk about hokey!  "Moses!  Moses!  You stubborn, splendid, adorable fool!"   And Edward G. Robinson (the 'could-have-been' Dr. Zaius) as Dathan:  "To hell with you, Moses!  Yeah!  We're praying to this Golden Calf, see!  Yeah!"

          Oh, the films of Chuck!

          -- Rory
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          Group: pota Message: 16484 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/31/2002
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          Group: pota Message: 16485 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
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            Haristas@... wrote:

             Wow!  This looks like the best I've seen so far.
             

            Click here: eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-05-02 17:45:04 PST ) - Planet of the Apes CORNELIUS resin bust NEW!!
             
             


            BEST NUTHIN'!  Wait 'til you see version #2 that'll be ready this summer.
            A long time coming for both versions, but we really wanted these to look right.

            Happy Easter everyone!

            Brian
             

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            Group: pota Message: 16486 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
            Subject: Spam (OT)
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            And I hear there was a lot of buggery too.  Phtang!
             
            Michael
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
            Sent: Monday, 1 April 2002 1:46
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam

            In a message dated 3/30/02 8:16:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


            Spam was very popular during WWII. Poink!                    - - - Jeff

            So was shooting people.  POINK!!


            Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .
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            Group: pota Message: 16487 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
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            Was this before or after Cornelius laid down a few pencil sketches? Eki, eki, eki, eki, zboing......gni!
             
            Michael
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
            Sent: Monday, 1 April 2002 4:56
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, Massachusetts

              Patrick says "Island of Dr. Moreau" took place before "Conquest" but after "Escape". Cornelius and Zira gave Moreau the idea. Spam.           - - Jeff
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 7:44 AM
            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fwd: (GAPNews) Upcoming Event in Boston, Massachusetts

            In a message dated 3/31/02 12:28:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, emr1623@... writes:


            what the flock is an anti-vivisectionist?  I know vivi is a character on final fantasy nine.
            Eileen



            Ever hear of a dictionary?    Anyway, a vivisectionist is someone who does surgical experiments on living animals.   If you're someone who thinks animals have a right to be left alone by man, especially when it comes to whether or not they'll submit to going under the knife (which of course they can't knowledgeably consent to), then you care very much that surgery on animals not be done at all, or at least not be of an unethical nature.  Those completely against it are anti-vivisectionists.  The famous English writer H. G. Wells (maybe you've heard of him?) was an anti-vivisectionist and this led him to write the classic novel "The Island of Dr. Moreau."

            I would actually welcome some thoughts from Patrick on this subject.

            -- Rory





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            Group: pota Message: 16488 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
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            Did anyone else go through that?  The desire to watch all things Chuck, all things Roddy and all things Kim (just to name a select few) because they starred in POTA?  I think it could have had something to do with me needing an excuse to stay up late and watch movies, but I really just loved the movies because they had POTA stars in them.  How about that?
             
            Michael
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
            Sent: Monday, 1 April 2002 6:04
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] DEEP SPACE APES

            In a message dated 3/31/02 1:52:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


            I've been watching "Ben Hur" for Easter. Sure is hokey, but the DVD has a good documentary about it. On a par with "Behind the POTA". Spam.    - - Jeff




            Ben-Hur?   Is that the one where Chuck is really gay, but he won't 'give in' to Stephen Boyd, so Stephen decides to be a real bitch and make Chuck row a boat all day with a lot of other sweaty, half-naked men, that is, until the ship's captain finds he really 'likes' Chuck a lot adopts him as his 'son'?  The one where Gore Vidal helped write the screenplay?

            Never seen it.

            Now, don't forget that "The Ten Commandments" is also on tonight.  Talk about hokey!  "Moses!  Moses!  You stubborn, splendid, adorable fool!"   And Edward G. Robinson (the 'could-have-been' Dr. Zaius) as Dathan:  "To hell with you, Moses!  Yeah!  We're praying to this Golden Calf, see!  Yeah!"

            Oh, the films of Chuck!

            -- Rory


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            Group: pota Message: 16489 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
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            Wow, if I knew who made these I'd suck up big time.
             
            Michael
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Brian [apeman@...]
            Sent: Monday, 1 April 2002 6:48
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268

             

            Haristas@... wrote:

             Wow!  This looks like the best I've seen so far.
             

            Click here: eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-05-02 17:45:04 PST ) - Planet of the Apes CORNELIUS resin bust NEW!!
             
             


            BEST NUTHIN'!  Wait 'til you see version #2 that'll be ready this summer.
            A long time coming for both versions, but we really wanted these to look right.

            Happy Easter everyone!

            Brian
             

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            Group: pota Message: 16490 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
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            .htmlIn a message dated 3/31/2002 7:17:00 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


            GE ZOON TIGHT!


            That's Gesundheit.
            Get it right.
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            Group: pota Message: 16491 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
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            Spam was very popular during WWII. Poink!     


            What does it mean?
            Shoulder Pork Ham?
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            Group: pota Message: 16492 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
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            Got any thoughts on vivisection -- and please, don't bring Roswell into it.


            There is no mystery to the cow mutilations.  They used to do the nuclear testing in that NM, specifically Los Alamos.  So, all through Northern New Mexico and Southern Colorado The Government fly's the black helos and snags a cow here and there.  They have a laser scalpel kit and they take eyes, tongue, balls and bung . . . Whatever they need to test for radiation.  What else can they do?  Mr. Farmer, could we please cut up some of your cows to test for RADIATION?  There'd be a panic!  I guess they could buy them.  But that's be kind of suspicious.  Guys in suits buying one cow from everyone's herds.  Then when they're done they dump the cow out of the helicopter.  No footprints, no blood, nothing!  Simple as that.  And as you know Black helos make no noise.  Either that or it's ALIENS!!!   Ahhhhhh...  Or Spontaneous Bovine Disintegration.
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            Group: pota Message: 16493 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
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            Sure is hokey, but the DVD has a good documentary about it. On a par with "Behind the POTA".


            I was thinking of getting the POTA DVD boxed set, but for a few dollars more I could get a DVD player!  Maybe I should wait for a price reduction, that or for the next movie to come out, when they'll release the super expanded edition with surviving star commentary and producer & director commentary from beyond the grave!
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            Group: pota Message: 16494 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
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            Wow!  This looks like the best I've seen so far.

            Wow!  Well done Bri...But will your crew also be offering a Zira as well?
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            Group: pota Message: 16495 From: sand_hill_school Date: 3/31/2002
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            --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
            >
            > > Spam was very popular during WWII. Poink!
            >
            > What does it mean?
            > Shoulder Pork Ham?

            Actually, I looked this up on http://www.spam.com/sp/sp_fq.htm . Here
            you will find excerpts from an interview with SPAMMY.

            SPAMMY: "Jay C. Hormel wanted a name as distinctive as the taste, so
            he held a contest. Kenneth Daigneau, an actor and brother of a Hormel
            vice president, pocketed the $100 prize."

            On www.spam.com there is a TIMELINE (Patrick and Rory, et al) that
            you might find interesting.

            I like it fried in BUTTER with those instant mashed potatoes and
            overcooked corn -- just like we used to get in the hot lunch program
            in grade school.

            -- Helen
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            Group: pota Message: 16496 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
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            The desire to watch all things Chuck, all things Roddy and all things Kim


            I have all things Kim...well except for a few new films, like A Price Above Rubies, MIGOG&E. I taped that and then taped something over it.  I'll buy them sometime.  And some of the TV movies like Bad Ronald and Born Innocent.  And of course the impossible to finds, like Anything Goes and You Came along.  But I do have almost everything even some of her TV guest appearances, like Colombo and The Magician, and her very first films. But there sill some holes to fill.  If anyone has the American version of A Canterbury Tale, I'm still looking.  And that training film she did for the Army Air Corps with William Holden.
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            Group: pota Message: 16497 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/31/2002
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            I like it fried in BUTTER


            Mmmm, Helen.....I can feel my arteries cloging already!  :P
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            Group: pota Message: 16498 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
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            .html (In my worst Bernie Kopell voice:) "Tis iz KAOS!!  Vee dunt 'suck up' heeaire!"

            Michael Whitty wrote:

             Wow, if I knew who made these I'd suck up big time. Michael 
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Brian [mailto:apeman@...]
            Sent: Monday, 1 April 2002 6:48
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268
             

            Haristas@... wrote:

             Wow!  This looks like the best I've seen so far.
             

            Click here: eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-05-02 17:45:04 PST ) - Planet of the Apes CORNELIUS resin bust NEW!!
             
             


            BEST NUTHIN'!  Wait 'til you see version #2 that'll be ready this summer.
            A long time coming for both versions, but we really wanted these to look right.

            Happy Easter everyone!

            Brian
             

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            Group: pota Message: 16499 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
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            .html Quite a few are on the block now.  Stay tuned...

            LordTZer0@... wrote:

             
            Wow!  This looks like the best I've seen so far.


            Wow!  Well done Bri...But will your crew also be offering a Zira as well?
             
             

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            Group: pota Message: 16500 From: thypentacle Date: 3/31/2002
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              LordTZer0@... wrote:


            The desire to watch all things Chuck, all things Roddy and all things Kim



            I have all things Kim...well except for a few new films, like A Price Above Rubies, MIGOG&E. I taped that and then taped something over it.  I'll buy them sometime.  And some of the TV movies like Bad Ronald and Born Innocent.  And of course the impossible to finds, like Anything Goes and You Came along.  But I do have almost everything even some of her TV guest appearances, like Colombo and The Magician, and her very first films. But there sill some holes to fill.  If anyone has the American version of A Canterbury Tale, I'm still looking.  And that training film she did for the Army Air Corps with William Holden.

            >>>If anyone has the American version of A Canterbury Tale, I'm still looking.

            Is that the one where Patrick Stewart plays a ghost??

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            Group: pota Message: 16501 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
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              It's odd that Heston did the "Apes" documentary but not the "Ben Hur" one. And I guess they had to pay him to do th "Ben Hur" commentary. I'd think he'd be more interested in promoting "Ben Hur" as his legacy. Maybe he figured since he was an "Apes" profit participant he should participate. Spam.    - - Jeff
             
             
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            In a message dated 3/31/02 1:52:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:


            I've been watching "Ben Hur" for Easter. Sure is hokey, but the DVD has a good documentary about it. On a par with "Behind the POTA". Spam.    - - Jeff




            Ben-Hur?   Is that the one where Chuck is really gay, but he won't 'give in' to Stephen Boyd, so Stephen decides to be a real bitch and make Chuck row a boat all day with a lot of other sweaty, half-naked men, that is, until the ship's captain finds he really 'likes' Chuck a lot adopts him as his 'son'?  The one where Gore Vidal helped write the screenplay?

            Never seen it.

            Now, don't forget that "The Ten Commandments" is also on tonight.  Talk about hokey!  "Moses!  Moses!  You stubborn, splendid, adorable fool!"   And Edward G. Robinson (the 'could-have-been' Dr. Zaius) as Dathan:  "To hell with you, Moses!  Yeah!  We're praying to this Golden Calf, see!  Yeah!"

            Oh, the films of Chuck!

            -- Rory


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            Group: pota Message: 16502 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 3/31/2002
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                "Apes" is so yesterday. How are your Harry Potter busts coming? Spam.                     - - Jeff
               
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Brian
              Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 4:25 PM
              Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Check out eBay item 1088730268 (Ends Apr-05-02 17:45...

              Quite a few are on the block now.  Stay tuned...

              LordTZer0@... wrote:

               
              Wow!  This looks like the best I've seen so far.


              Wow!  Well done Bri...But will your crew also be offering a Zira as well?
               
               

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              Group: pota Message: 16503 From: Brian Date: 3/31/2002
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              veetus@... wrote:

                 "Apes" is so yesterday. How are your Harry Potter busts coming? Spam.                     - - Jeff 

               

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              Group: pota Message: 16504 From: Michael Whitty Date: 3/31/2002
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              Is this when I tell you I'm a lumberjack?

              Michael

              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
              > Sent: Monday, 1 April 2002 8:30
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              > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Spam
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              > --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
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              > > > Spam was very popular during WWII. Poink!
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              > > What does it mean?
              > > Shoulder Pork Ham?
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              > Actually, I looked this up on http://www.spam.com/sp/sp_fq.htm . Here
              > you will find excerpts from an interview with SPAMMY.
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              > SPAMMY: "Jay C. Hormel wanted a name as distinctive as the taste, so
              > he held a contest. Kenneth Daigneau, an actor and brother of a Hormel
              > vice president, pocketed the $100 prize."
              >
              > On www.spam.com there is a TIMELINE (Patrick and Rory, et al) that
              > you might find interesting.
              >
              > I like it fried in BUTTER with those instant mashed potatoes and
              > overcooked corn -- just like we used to get in the hot lunch program
              > in grade school.
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              Group: pota Message: 16505 From: Calima 5021 Date: 3/31/2002
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                You are a lumberjack, as much as I am a bootlicker.
                Old joke.

                Best.
                Al


                >From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
                >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Spam (OT)
                >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:29:27 +1000
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                Group: pota Message: 16506 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 4/1/2002
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                .htmlIs that the one where Patrick Stewart plays a ghost??


                I doubt it.  This was over fifty years ago.


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                Group: pota Message: 16507 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/1/2002
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                .htmlIn a message dated 3/31/02 4:40:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


                Did anyone else go through that?  The desire to watch all things Chuck, all things Roddy and all things Kim (just to name a select few) because they starred in POTA?  I think it could have had something to do with me needing an excuse to stay up late and watch movies, but I really just loved the movies because they had POTA stars in them.  How about that?


                Michael



                Yes, I very much did that too growing up.  I'd watch anything if it had Roddy McDowall in it.  I also think that the obsession with PLANET is what turned me into a film buff because one thing would lead to another and another and another, a whole nest of movies.

                -- Rory
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                Group: pota Message: 16508 From: sand_hill_school Date: 4/1/2002
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                > Is this when I tell you I'm a lumberjack?
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                > Michael
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                Fair go? Mate, you're not pulling my leg, are you?

                --Helen
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                Group: pota Message: 16509 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/1/2002
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                Hey, POTA was a catagory on "Jeopardy" tonight. The answers were:
                1. Who is Charlton Heston?
                2. Who is Michael Clarke Duncan?
                3. Who is Roddy McDowell?
                4. What is "Bridge on the River Kwai"?
                And I foret the other one.Tomorrow on AMC is a special on '60's movies.
                Spam. - - Jeff



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                From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
                To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:29 PM
                Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spam (OT)


                > > Is this when I tell you I'm a lumberjack?
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                Group: pota Message: 16510 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/1/2002
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                The mag "Tomart's Action Figure Digest" published their poll results for
                2001. Voted "Least Interesting Action Figure Line" was ..."Planet of the
                Apes". They say, "Traditionally, the lines that sell well to kids - but lack
                collector appeal - rank tops in this catagory. This year the top vote-getter
                was a line that had a strong collector following". The mag guessed the
                disappointing film and "poor production value" were to blame. Also worst
                were:2. Pokemon 3. Eminem 4. Harry Potter ; another Tim Burton-flavored
                line, "Beetlejuice", placed #7 (maybe "Apes" has rendered all things Tim
                Burton "uncool").

                They also had votes for figures that "fizzled". Eminem was #1, Harry Potter
                #2. "Beelejuice" #7. Leo Davidson was #10 and Attar #11.

                What lines were voted "Best"? I'm glad you asked: 1. "Tortured Souls" 2.
                "Spawn" 3. "Movie Maniacs" 4. Simpsons 5. "Star Wars"
                I still say that, divorced from the film, the "Ape" figures looked good.
                What's wrong with them? They looked like the characters. As American figures
                go they were fine. I think all the bad blood is coming from the movie.
                - - Jeff


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                To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:29 PM
                Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Spam (OT)


                > > Is this when I tell you I'm a lumberjack?
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                Group: pota Message: 16511 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 4/2/2002
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                What's wrong with them?


                2 words . . . Ari's hair.
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                Group: pota Message: 16512 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/2/2002
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                "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
                > Are you referring to the version with a rifle or the extremely rare
                > "pacifist" version?

                The one I've seen is with the rifle - but either way, I still find the
                notion of a parachutist chimp to be a completely bizarre merchandising
                tie-in!

                (So bizarre that I just had to buy one, obviously)

                Alan
                PS Thanks to Ken for the answers to my various memorabilia questions!
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