----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!


> Naw, looks like "The Fall" is based on the Burton stuff. It's still the
> same medieval armor. And check out the axe. Sounds like they wanted to do
a
> series. I wonder how well the novelization sold? We'll have to see how
well
> Quick does with his own stories. He's all we have left!
> - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:47 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!
>
>
> > Amazon.com now has a pick of Quick's new book coming out next month, THE
> > FALL. The cover looks really cool!
> > I was hoping it would be based on the Burton movie characters, but looks
> > like this is yet another re-imagining (I guess they felt those teen
books
> > FORCE/RESITANCE etc. are good enough for Ari, Thade, Attar and friends).
> > Nice to see new Apes material, though!!
> >
> > Dan
> >
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----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!


> Yes, so it looks like "Spidey" will have the best opening weekend ever.
> It's projected to pass the the $100m. mark for the first weekend ever.
> Here's how it stacks up:
>
> 1. Spidey - - - $100+ m.
> 2. that punk "Harry Potter" - - - $90m.
> 3. "Lost World:Jurassic Park" - - - $72 m.
> 4. "POTA" - - - $68 m.
>
> Not bad for our team. Most likely, "Variety" will do a cover story of the
> top 5 weekends ever, including a pic of "Apes", Fox will see it and say,
> "Yeah, we better do a sequel". It will come out and have a $150 m. weekend
> and be brilliant, and the "Ape" fans will live happily ever after. It'll
> happen. Watch. - - Jeff
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <veetus@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!
>
>
> > Naw, looks like "The Fall" is based on the Burton stuff. It's still
the
> > same medieval armor. And check out the axe. Sounds like they wanted to
do
> a
> > series. I wonder how well the novelization sold? We'll have to see how
> well
> > Quick does with his own stories. He's all we have left!
> > - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:47 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!
> >
> >
> > > Amazon.com now has a pick of Quick's new book coming out next month,
THE
> > > FALL. The cover looks really cool!
> > > I was hoping it would be based on the Burton movie characters, but
looks
> > > like this is yet another re-imagining (I guess they felt those teen
> books
> > > FORCE/RESITANCE etc. are good enough for Ari, Thade, Attar and
friends).
> > > Nice to see new Apes material, though!!
> > >
> > > Dan
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----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:27 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Boxed In


> Now you can play along at home. This site boxofficemojo.com tracks movies
> daily, so you can see how much POTA made each day (in the U.S.). If the
link
> works: www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/2001/planetoftheapes.html.
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <veetus@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!
>
>
> > Yes, so it looks like "Spidey" will have the best opening weekend
ever.
> > It's projected to pass the the $100m. mark for the first weekend ever.
> > Here's how it stacks up:
> >
> > 1. Spidey - - - $100+ m.
> > 2. that punk "Harry Potter" - - - $90m.
> > 3. "Lost World:Jurassic Park" - - - $72 m.
> > 4. "POTA" - - - $68 m.
> >
> > Not bad for our team. Most likely, "Variety" will do a cover story of
the
> > top 5 weekends ever, including a pic of "Apes", Fox will see it and say,
> > "Yeah, we better do a sequel". It will come out and have a $150 m.
weekend
> > and be brilliant, and the "Ape" fans will live happily ever after. It'll
> > happen. Watch. - -
Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <veetus@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!
> >
> >
> > > Naw, looks like "The Fall" is based on the Burton stuff. It's still
> the
> > > same medieval armor. And check out the axe. Sounds like they wanted to
> do
> > a
> > > series. I wonder how well the novelization sold? We'll have to see how
> > well
> > > Quick does with his own stories. He's all we have left!
> > > - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...>
> > > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:47 PM
> > > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Amazon.com now has a pick of Quick's new book coming out next month,
> THE
> > > > FALL. The cover looks really cool!
> > > > I was hoping it would be based on the Burton movie characters, but
> looks
> > > > like this is yet another re-imagining (I guess they felt those teen
> > books
> > > > FORCE/RESITANCE etc. are good enough for Ari, Thade, Attar and
> friends).
> > > > Nice to see new Apes material, though!!
> > > >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2002 16:51
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] HOLY FREAKEN SPIDER-MAN!! [OT]
>
>
> Maybe not. If "Spidey" is opening this strong AND it's good (lots of
> repeat biz) it could be the champ. People felt ripped by the last "Star
> Wars" so the casual folk might not go right away and get sucked int othe
> other movies instead. Back in '89 Batman whooped Lucas' own Indiana Jones
> (which even had Sean Connery). But with a new Harry Potter coming out as
> well, looks like this year will be the world championship. Get ready to
> rumble! Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:13 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] HOLY FREAKEN SPIDER-MAN!! [OT]
>
>
> >
> > Well, the boxoffice numbers are in for friday alone: 41 million freaken
> > dollars! WOW! The biggest boxoffice opening in the history of hollywood!
> > Bye Bye Harry Potter, hello Spidey! :o)
> >
> > Just saw it today, totaly awesome! Not your typical superhero
> moive, this
> > baby has a real story to tell. Fantastic, but expected, with all the
> talent
> > behind this movie.
> >
> > 4 out of 4 stars. Two thumbs up!
> > Will see it again.
> >
> > The sad part is, even though Spidey will be better than Star
> Wars by far.
> > Star Wars will be the biggest boxoffice hit this summer because of it's
> geek
> > following.
> >
> > Breaks the heart. :o)
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> >
> > _____

> What you're saying here makes no sense to me. First of all, when Michael said:
>
> Rory will tell you all about Haristas - the original novel's "lawgiver"
>
> You'll notice it's in quotes, and as such, does not mean he is saying he is
> The Lawgiver, but a "lawgiver" (type) figure. Nowhere in his posting did he
> say Haristas is The Lawgiver, but even if he did, he'd be correct, at least
> in some ways. I mean look at that book, and then the film. The characters in
> the film are not really the same as depicted in the book, the film characters
> are based on the literary figures, but not translated to the screen as exact
> counter-parts. If you're going to say, for example, that the Zaius in the
> book is exactly the same as the movie version, that'd be crazy. The novel
> depicted him as basically a bumbling idiot, where as in the movie, he is
> anything but... So you see, Zaius was based on the novel's character, to the
> extent that he was in the scientific field, etc..., but he was not literally
> translated. The same can be said for Haristas, he was a "teacher" so to
> speak, whose teachings were adopted by the ape hierarchy and basically used
> as "gospel." Is that not what the apes did with The Lawgiver's writings? They
> sure did, and to go against his writings is heretical, just as it'd probably
> be considered such if you were to go against the writings of Haristas on the
> planet Soror. So, you see, the Haristas character was "translated" into the
> film to become The Lawgiver.
>
> And, for what you said here:
>
> *** Well, "emr1623", you got "(dim)witty" to chime in; here's the
> "tilt" to clarify some things.
> The ape referred to as "Haristas" in Boulle's novel was not a
> "lawgiver" by any means; his name [H-ARIST-AS] evokes the name of
> ARISTOTLE, whom Dante called "the Master of men who Know". Aristotle--
> though a "pagan"--was considered to be the paragon of Intelligence;
> his views on Science were taken as "gospel" by medieval Christian
> theologians (Thomas Aquinas' "Summa" was written to "marry"
> Aristotelian philosophy to Christian doctrine). When Galileo and
> Copernicus came on the scene and were able to disprove several key
> points of Aristotle's "official science", the Church put its foot
> down; the same sort of thing is par for the course on Soror (Boulle's
> "planet of the apes"), where the Orangutans represent the "orthodoxy"
> which clings to the teachings of Haristas (the simian "Aristotle")
> despite the contradictory contributions of the Chimpanzee scientists
> who, among other things, have discovered Relativity. Boulle never
> mentions Haristas being a "lawgiver" of any sort. Haristas' out-moded
> views are like the Ptolemaic, "Earth-centered" view of the Universe,
> which Copernicus proved to be false.
>
> Your argument that Haristas isn't somewhat of a "lawgiver" figure isn't true
> by my standards. Your argument isn't very strong, and in a way (in my eyes)
> contradicts itself. Look at what you said, and what was carried from the book
> into the film's translation. You state: where the Orangutans represent the
> "orthodoxy" which clings to the teachings of Haristas (the simian
> "Aristotle") despite the contradictory contributions of the Chimpanzee
> scientists
> who, among other things, have discovered Relativity. What is the point here?
> I mean they are that way in the film as well. While they may not dismiss the
> chimpanzees discovering relativity, as it's not a point in the movie, they do
> "dismiss" the chimp's "theory of evolution". Those Orangs in the court scene
> are as "blinded" by anything that'd contradict the Lawgiver's writings and
> the ape world's "official science" as those in the novel are "covering their
> eyes" to anything that'd contradict Haristas. And what you said here:
> Aristotle--though a "pagan"--was considered to be the paragon of
> Intelligence; his views on Science were taken as "gospel" by medieval
> Christian theologians (Thomas Aquinas' "Summa" was written to "marry"
> Aristotelian philosophy to Christian doctrine). When Galileo and Copernicus
> came on the scene and were able to disprove several key points of Aristotle's
> "official science", the Church put its foot down. Well, I basically covered
> what I was going to say to this "point" of your's but I'll add to it. The
> apes hierarchy (as well as the apes population in general) takes the writings
> of The Lawgiver as "gospel", much in the same way the writings of Haristas
> were taken as "gospel" on Soror. One can argue your point here by saying
> (rather than Galileo and Copericus) it's Zira and Cornelius that shake things
> up, and disprove many of the apes laws, "laws" which are based on The
> Lawgiver's word. And they almost face death for doing so. So they went
> against the "official science" of the Planet, "science" based in part on
> ancient writings... and the "official science" of the Apes world certainly
> was going to put it's foot down on them. And as for what you said here:
> Haristas' out-moded views are like the Ptolemaic, "Earth-centered" view of
> the Universe, which Copernicus proved to be false. Again, while not verbatim
> of what was in the book, Zira and Cornelius proved the apes outmoded views to
> be wrong. They contradicted The Lawgiver's word, just as your example of
> Copernicus proved theories wrong.
>
> So, to sum up all of my ramblings, your "examples" of why you think Haristas
> isn't the figure they changed into The Lawgiver, make no sense to me. If
> anything, your statements give even more of an argument as to how he is a
> "lawgiver"of sorts. Almost everything you stated can be seen (at least in
> bits and pieces) in the novel and the film, just made to fit the story lines
> in them. I think you're trying to contradict Whitty only made his point
> stronger.

> *** The "more ancient culture" (ours) which the Apes "aped" is not the same culture that has existed "for 1,000's of years". Our culture--the one James insists the Apes based theirs on in every single detail--does not use scrolls (excepting rabbis and theater groups who are doing "period dramas" requiring a scroll as a prop in a production).
>Our culture has been privy to an Industrial Revolution which radically transformed our way of living from the way our ancestors lived those "thousands of years" ago. Whatever elements of our culture were "aped" by the Apes would have been from our culture as it existed when the Nuclear War destroyed it--not from our ancestors' out-moded way of life.


>Here, I can't agree at all. I think you're wrong in saying that the Apes "aped" our culture as it existed when the Nuclear War destroyed our civilization.
>Where is the proof of this? If anything, they did "ape" the "outmoded way of life" of our ancestors. You said it yourself in a post I read. You said something to the extent of them having the tech "we" had in the late 18th and through out the 19th centuries...("horse and wagon" tech.) That "horse and buggy" technology is what I'm seeing when I look at the films and tv series. I mean if what you're saying about them "aping" the culture we have now was true, (or in a few hundred years from now), then it'd be "Monkey Planet" plus. They'd be in planes and cars. They'd be in high tech civilization with computers and electronics galore... I see none of that in Apes... They live in a lower tech society. In the tv series, Councilor Zaius says "Your science and your machines...Very few know your history, and very few will ever know...And your cities...Death and destruction, we don't want them! We don't even want their memory...." That line right there is in direct contradiction to what you stated: Whatever elements of our culture were "aped" by the Apes would have been from our culture as it existed when the Nuclear War destroyed it--not from our ancestors' out-moded way of life. If what you said was true, then the apes would be contacting each other via email, not reflective light signals. And they wouldn't be marching across the desert to invade an unknown enemy, they'd just do a few fly overs and bomb them.

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Pat
>
>You are alienating yourself even further now. There are quite a few homos=
exuals in this group. I am confident about my sexuality, but I beg to ask yo=
u (on behalf of the homosexual men in this group), would it be a bad thing i=
f I have tasted smegma?
>I think maybe an apology to those you may have offended (which, I hate to =
tell you, does not include me) is in order for your equating homosexual acts=
with negative behaviours.
>
>Mick

*** I have no way of knowing how many (if any) homosexuals are in this
group. I don't know how YOU know that there are "quite a few", but it
doesn't bother me one way or the other.
Would it be a "bad thing" for you to have tasted smegma? you "beg to
ask" me: Let me put it this way... it would gross me out, but I've
always believed in the "live-and-let-live" philosophy, the "Golden
Rule". I may not believe necessarily that Jesus was God/the Son of
God/the Messiah/an actual person (rather than a literary fiction), but
I DO think that "Do unto others" (and its corrolary: "Don't do unto
others what you don't want them to do to you") is a great bare-bones
blueprint for the ideal society. If you HAVE tasted smegma, power to
you, whatever floats your boat... but >yech!<!!!
I was not "equating homosexual acts with negative behaviours"--I was
merely speculating about what I thought MAY be your own predilection
for "la fromage du tête des bites" (as a Frenchman might say).
For the record, I was trying to be disgustingly humorous (I probably
failed), tying together "clues" from your past postings regarding
homoerotic comments, "behind the scenes" work in porn, etc., in order
to answer your inquiry regarding "smegma". I used the word "smeggin'"
in an earlier posting primarily to avoid the "F" word equivalent (for
the sake of the kiddies who might find it shocking), taken--obviously-
-from "Red Dwarf"... and I didn't expect you to make "smegma" a topic
for discussion. But, since you did, I thought I'd respond to it... and
almost instantly regretted clicking the "Send" button.
For those of you grossed out by it... appy polly logies to thee and
thine, oh my brothers (as Alex would say).

PMT

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> Sent: Monday, 29 April 2002 0:36
>
> *** You're the one who worked "behind the scenes" in porn (so you
claimed). I suspect that you were a fluffer in gay/trannie porn,
given your stated desire to have another man (i.e. me) lick your sac,
so I imagine that you've tasted smegma on more than one occasion...
with a salty chaser.
>
> PMT

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:

> Okay, I want "in" on this one!!!
>
> Can someone attach a jpeg of the card in question with the two
> gorillas?  I wanna play too!>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 1:11 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Think Quick!

I guess they felt those teen booksFORCE/RESITANCE etc. are good enough for Ari, Thade, Attar and friends

Where can I find out more about them?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] HOLY FREAKEN SPIDER-MAN!! [OT]
>Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:50:54 -0700
>
> Maybe not. If "Spidey" is opening this strong AND it's good (lots of
>repeat biz) it could be the champ. People felt ripped by the last "Star
>Wars" so the casual folk might not go right away and get sucked int othe
>other movies instead. Back in '89 Batman whooped Lucas' own Indiana Jones
>(which even had Sean Connery). But with a new Harry Potter coming out as
>well, looks like this year will be the world championship. Get ready to
>rumble! Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:13 PM
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] HOLY FREAKEN SPIDER-MAN!! [OT]
>
>
> >
> > Well, the boxoffice numbers are in for friday alone: 41 million freaken
> > dollars! WOW! The biggest boxoffice opening in the history of hollywood!
> > Bye Bye Harry Potter, hello Spidey! :o)
> >
> > Just saw it today, totaly awesome! Not your typical superhero moive,
>this
> > baby has a real story to tell. Fantastic, but expected, with all the
>talent
> > behind this movie.
> >
> > 4 out of 4 stars. Two thumbs up!
> > Will see it again.
> >
> > The sad part is, even though Spidey will be better than Star Wars by
>far.
> > Star Wars will be the biggest boxoffice hit this summer because of it's
>geek
> > following.
> >
> > Breaks the heart. :o)
> >
> > Best.
> > Al
> >
> >
> > _____

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:29 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] re: Two Gorillas

--- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> Okay, I want "in" on this one!!!
>
> Can someone attach a jpeg of the card in question with the two
> gorillas?  I wanna play too!>

Here you go.
kassidy

---

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Does whatever a spider can (OT)


> SPIDER-MAN was great--they can finally do comic book superheroes
> right, with SFX CGI work.
>
> I didn't mind the liberties they took with the "original" comic: the
> "organic webshooters" made sense--hell, the entire origin made better
> sense than the "radioactive" spider (a "super spider" with transgenic
> DNA from all sorts of spiders).
> Sam Raimi was the perfect choice for director; his DARKMAN--though not
> based on any comic book--sure as hell felt like a comic book. Raimi
> had the right "feel" for comic book superheroics, and I for one am
> grateful that he got the job.
> Now that they've "set the stage" for further Spidey adventures
> (they've all signed for 2 more, I hear), I'm sure we'll get to hear
> more "quips" from Spidey during the fight scenes. In the context of
> what was going on in this 1st film, clever banter would've been sort
> of inappropriate, I think.
> Favorite moment: after Aunt May slaps Osborn's hand away from the
> Thanksgiving meal... and a "Green Goblin" look of murderous intent
> comes across Willem Dafoe's face--yeesh! I thought he was going to cut
> her up into kibbles and bits with those carving knives! Willem Dafoe
> was an inspired casting choice; I can't think of many other actors out
> there who could've pulled it off.
> The ONE thing that I didn't like about SPIDER-MAN was... the score by
> Danny Elfman. Everybody knows the John Williams score for SUPERMAN--
> you can hum the theme, its recognizable and brilliant--but even though
> Elfman CAN write a recognizable "theme" (his BATMAN score has a
> recognizable "theme" after all), in THIS movie the music feels like a
> sound effect. Hell, I would have preferred an orchestral updated
> version of the Spider-man theme--which they DO include at the very end
> of the end credits. I was as disappointed in Elfman's SPIDER-MAN score
> as I was in his Burton POTA score.
> By the way, Jerry Goldsmith fans might want to go over to the website
> for "Filmscore Monthly": Goldsmith's COMPLETE score for the 1975 flick
> "LOGAN'S RUN" is available in a limited run of 3000 copies. The movie
> was flawed (being only loosely based on the Nolan/Johnson novel),
> although I enjoyed it immensely when it first came out (I was 10 at
> the time); one of the best things about it, though, is the music. I
> recommend it heartily.
>
> I hope SPIDER-MAN II has only one villain in it (preferably Doctor
> Octopus), since the BATMAN sequels' biggest mistake (in my mind) was
> the "two-villains-per-sequel" trend. Doc Ock is enough of a villain to
> carry the second picture.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 5-05-2002
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Nova is a grandma! Dean Zanuck, son of Linda Harrison and Richard Zanuck, and his wife Marisa introduced the world to their son Jack Richard Zanuck, born April 30.
>
> Eric Greene tells me that George Alec Effinger, who novelized the "Apes" TV show, has died.
>
> So, how was your week? Etc.
>
> - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] HOLY FREAKEN SPIDER-MAN!! [OT]


> Well, I hope your right. Although EP2 will be good. I read the comic
> adaption, very good story. Spider-Man is by far the much better Story.
> There's even eye watering scenes in this film, pure genius.
>
> While I was at the movies to see Spidey, they also showed in the coming
> previews, a teaser trailer for the HULK, pretty cool.
>
> And of coure you can see it at:
> www.calima5021.com/hulk.mpg
>
> hehehe...
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] HOLY FREAKEN SPIDER-MAN!! [OT]
> >Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:50:54 -0700
> >
> > Maybe not. If "Spidey" is opening this strong AND it's good (lots of
> >repeat biz) it could be the champ. People felt ripped by the last "Star
> >Wars" so the casual folk might not go right away and get sucked int othe
> >other movies instead. Back in '89 Batman whooped Lucas' own Indiana Jones
> >(which even had Sean Connery). But with a new Harry Potter coming out as
> >well, looks like this year will be the world championship. Get ready to
> >rumble! Etc. - - -
Jeff
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:13 PM
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] HOLY FREAKEN SPIDER-MAN!! [OT]
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well, the boxoffice numbers are in for friday alone: 41 million
freaken
> > > dollars! WOW! The biggest boxoffice opening in the history of
hollywood!
> > > Bye Bye Harry Potter, hello Spidey! :o)
> > >
> > > Just saw it today, totaly awesome! Not your typical superhero moive,
> >this
> > > baby has a real story to tell. Fantastic, but expected, with all the
> >talent
> > > behind this movie.
> > >
> > > 4 out of 4 stars. Two thumbs up!
> > > Will see it again.
> > >
> > > The sad part is, even though Spidey will be better than Star Wars by
> >far.
> > > Star Wars will be the biggest boxoffice hit this summer because of
it's
> >geek
> > > following.
> > >
> > > Breaks the heart. :o)
> > >
> > > Best.
> > > Al
> > >
> > >
> > > _____ > _____

From: patrickmichaeltilton

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:26 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Sorry Roddy!

 

"And now I find
that Eileen thinks that I was "playing the Spelling card" in order to
"win" an argument that I supposedly couldn't win based on the
evidence. I think such a view is unwarranted, and it hurts to know
that anybody actually could think that of me."

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Comings and goings


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Nova is a grandma! Dean Zanuck, son of Linda Harrison and Richard
Zanuck, and his wife Marisa introduced the world to their son Jack Richard
Zanuck, born April 30.
> >
> > Eric Greene tells me that George Alec Effinger, who novelized the
"Apes" TV show, has died.
> >
> > So, how was your week? Etc.
> >
> > - - - Jeff
>
> *** I don't quite know how or why, but the local newspaper's obituary
> column had Effinger's obituary posted on it (in a sort of "celebrity/
> famous person" section, in addition to local deaths). The obituary
> mentioned a chronic drinking problem, though it didn't state that that
> was necessarily the reason for his death.
> GAE's POTA TV novelizations were the very first APES books I ever
> bought; way back before the explosion of the VCR, these were the ONLY
> way I could re-experience the TV episodes for years. Re-runs were
> rare, but it was good to have 8 of the 14 episodes in novel form. I'm
> glad that they were "fuller" novelizations than James Blish's STAR
> TREK novelizations.
> On another Effinger note, I've never read any of his original stuff
> (ye gods, I've got a backlog of books I hope to read by 2010, and I
> probably won't get the opportunity any time soon to read any
> Effinger); has anybody else on this site read his work? Could somebody
> maybe post a list of Effinger originals they HAVE read, with brief
> synopses and reviews? None of the local bookstores in the West Fargo/
> Fargo/Moorhead area have any of his books in stock--not even the used
> book stores.
> Anyway, R.I.P. George... thanks for MAN THE FUGITIVE, ESCAPE TO
> TOMORROW, JOURNEY INTO TERROR, and LORD OF THE APES.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 5-05-2002
>
> P.S. I just read that Isaac Asimov died of AIDS-related causes, due to
> a tainted blood transfusion in the early 1980's. His HIV infection was
> hushed up, due to the stigma attached to that disease. Just knowing
> that he could be alive today--SHOULD be alive today--I don't know
> whether to curse or to cry. His least greatest novel is better than
> most peoples' best. Damn. Damn. Damn! >sob<
>
> PMT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:34 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: Two Gorillas

In a message dated 5/5/2002 11:15:54 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 I don't recall them wearing just the undershirts in the movie. I think that was a TV show convention. I vote the picture is from the TV show. Etc.          - - - Jeff

Well, what Julius wears in the movie is pretty much just an undershirt except for the leather insignia on it.

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On Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 11:13 AM, <veetus@...> wrote:

> I don't recall them wearing just the undershirts in the movie. I think
> that was a TV show convention. I vote the picture is from the TV show.
> Etc. - - - Jeff

The first movie series cards had images of make-ups that were not used in the film (but made it to cards); one of the asian orangs comes to mind.

Anyway, I'll do some digging on my end to see what I can find.  This'll be fun!

Cheers!

Brian

veetus@... wrote:

   I don't recall them wearing just the undershirts in the movie. I think that was a TV show convention. I vote the picture is from the TV show. Etc.          - - - Jeff  

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:29 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] re: Two Gorillas

 --- In pota@y..., Brian <apeman@a...> wrote:
> Okay, I want "in" on this one!!!
>
> Can someone attach a jpeg of the card in question with the two
> gorillas?  I wanna play too!>

Here you go.
kassidy
 

B

"Anthony B. McElveen" wrote:

Definitely from the TV series. Look at the rifle. The rifles in the
first movie were tapered quite a bit near the front of the stock.

ABMAC

On Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 11:13  AM, <veetus@...> wrote:

>  I don't recall them wearing just the undershirts in the movie. I think
> that was a TV show convention. I vote the picture is from the TV show.
> Etc. - - - Jeff

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> I got the impression that James believes that (for example)
> the "north-equals-up" Map convention MUST
> have been a carry-over from our present day tendency to orient maps
> (to justify his interpretation of the Map).

> This is from me (Patrick) to Michael; feel free to pass on by,

> if you don't want to read it (for the record, it's NOT an "attack").
>
> *** Michael (if "Mick" offends you--you never said it did or

> so I don't know--then I'll type out "Michael" and, please, could

> use my full first name "Patrick"?)... let's "bury the hatchet",
> please. I enjoy debating the details of POTA for reasons I've gone
> into elsewhere ad nauseum, but I'm not all that fond of the

> going on.
>
> For the record, you've been accusing me of not being able to take
> criticism--which is NOT the case. Just because I may disagree on
> various details of the Saga with others (eg. James, Rory, you),
> doesn't mean that I can't "take" criticism. I cite the details

> feel make my case--which, as you know, is an attempt to reconcile
> supposedly irreconcilable "flub" details. Quite frankly, it would

> foolish of me to "concede" that James' interpretation (say, of the
> Map) is "right" and that my view is "wrong" if I think that the
> entirety of the evidence supports my view.
>
> Aside from what I have felt to be unconstructive criticism on your
> part (which shouldn't matter to anybody else but us), the ONLY real
> "beef" I have with you is what I consider to have been a slanderous
> statement on your part. I do not go out of my way to pick on
> handicapped people, which is what it sure sounded like to me that

> had accused me of (regarding James' spelling problems). And now I

> that Eileen thinks that I was "playing the Spelling card" in order

> "win" an argument that I supposedly couldn't win based on the
> evidence. I think such a view is unwarranted, and it hurts to know
> that anybody actually could think that of me. Haven't I bored some

> you to death out there (eg. "That FUCKING map!") with my voluminous
> citing of the details of the Map? Haven't I cited "chapter and

> of all the extant details to make my case?
> For what it's worth, there's a reason why I didn't conclude that
> James' spelling errors were from dyslexia: when I went to school, I
> was taught that dyslexia was not just "bad spelling" but

> the inversion of letter-order (example: "slat" instead of "salt",

> "pot" for "top"). In other words, the pattern of James'

> did not seem to me (based, as it turns out, on a misrepresentation

> dyslexia to me in my K-12 schooling) to be the result of a

> but seemed to be representative of sloppiness. If it WERE the

> of mere sloppiness, then doesn't it follow that one could also be
> "sloppy" with the details being debated? It SEEMED to me that James
> was just being "sloppy" with his spelling--and based on our
> disagreement regarding that damned Map, it seemed that his

> of the "towards-the-North" line was ALSO a case of sloppiness. He
> considers that line to be "vague"--which I still think is an
> unwarranted conclusion: there's nothing "vague" at all about a
> specific direction.
> Regrettably, my (mis-)understanding of true dyslexia resulted in a
> "misdiagnosis" of James' spelling problems... and I've gone on

> at least twice to apologize for whatever hurt feelings my spelling
> criticisms may have had on James.
> I've dealt with the poor spelling of my high school friends, who

> count on me to proofread their term papers, correcting spelling and
> grammar so that their projects would look more polished than they
> could do on their own. I never considered their bad spelling to

> them bad people: they're friends of mine, and they tend to have a
> less-academic orientation of mind, owning few books and relying on

> book-nut like me to help polish up their papers. It was the example

> my friends (those who didn't spend much time reading anything, even
> newspapers--except for the sports section), which I "went with"

> looked at James' similar spelling gaffes. Regrettably, what didn't
> seem to me as dyslexic spelling actually WAS the result of

> and I felt like crap when James finally divulged that. And I
> apologized. And I now consider myself slightly better educated as

> what dyslexia actually is, rather than what my schooling had led me

> believe it was.
>
> But I did NOT think to myself: "James can't spell--he's probably
> dyslexic... so I'm gonna slam his spelling just to make him feel

> a freak..." etc. It sure seemed to me that you were implying that

> WAS what I was thinking. And THAT, I felt, was a slander. It pissed

> off that ANYONE could interpret the incident that way. And ever

> then it's been getting uglier and uglier and uglier... and I think
> it's high time we "buried the hatchet"--though NOT in each others
> guts.
>
> Contrary to something I've been accused of (on this site), I do NOT
> consider myself to be perfect in any way. I've my share of faults,

> I try to keep them to a minimum in my own way. But I do not enjoy
> being accused of having a fault which I do not have--

> have enough real faults to keep me busy, I don't need any more of
> them.
>
> What do you say, Michael? My "olive branch" is here for you to

> accept or reject... shall we call it a truce? call it "even"? call

> "quits"? I'm game, if you are.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 5-05-2002
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Pat
> >
> >You are alienating yourself even further now. There are quite a

> exuals in this group. I am confident about my sexuality, but I beg

> u (on behalf of the homosexual men in this group), would it be a

> f I have tasted smegma?
> >I think maybe an apology to those you may have offended (which, I

> tell you, does not include me) is in order for your equating

> with negative behaviours.
> >
> >Mick
>
> *** I have no way of knowing how many (if any) homosexuals are in

> group. I don't know how YOU know that there are "quite a few", but

> doesn't bother me one way or the other.
> Would it be a "bad thing" for you to have tasted smegma? you "beg

> ask" me: Let me put it this way... it would gross me out, but I've
> always believed in the "live-and-let-live" philosophy, the "Golden
> Rule". I may not believe necessarily that Jesus was God/the Son of
> God/the Messiah/an actual person (rather than a literary fiction),

> I DO think that "Do unto others" (and its corrolary: "Don't do unto
> others what you don't want them to do to you") is a great bare-

> blueprint for the ideal society. If you HAVE tasted smegma, power

> you, whatever floats your boat... but >yech!<!!!
> I was not "equating homosexual acts with negative behaviours"--I

> merely speculating about what I thought MAY be your own

> for "la fromage du tête des bites" (as a Frenchman might say).
> For the record, I was trying to be disgustingly humorous (I

> failed), tying together "clues" from your past postings regarding
> homoerotic comments, "behind the scenes" work in porn, etc., in

> to answer your inquiry regarding "smegma". I used the

> in an earlier posting primarily to avoid the "F" word equivalent

> the sake of the kiddies who might find it shocking), taken--

> -from "Red Dwarf"... and I didn't expect you to make "smegma" a

> for discussion. But, since you did, I thought I'd respond to it...

> almost instantly regretted clicking the "Send" button.
> For those of you grossed out by it... appy polly logies to thee and
> thine, oh my brothers (as Alex would say).
>
> PMT
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, 29 April 2002 0:36
> >
> > *** You're the one who worked "behind the scenes" in porn (so you
> claimed). I suspect that you were a fluffer in gay/trannie porn,
> given your stated desire to have another man (i.e. me) lick your

> so I imagine that you've tasted smegma on more than one occasion...
> with a salty chaser.
> >
> > PMT

On Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 02:57 PM, james611102 wrote:

> Patrick Michael Tilton
> John Wilkes Booth
> James Earl Ray
> Lee Harvey Oswald
> Mark David Chapman
>
> Anyone else see a common thread here?

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: Two Gorillas

Ah-HAA!  We get closer!  Good call Anthony.  Yes, the first film used the dark "gun-metal" finished rifle stocks.  BENEATH and the TV series used the wood-finish!  Good eye!

B

"Anthony B. McElveen" wrote:

Definitely from the TV series. Look at the rifle. The rifles in the
first movie were tapered quite a bit near the front of the stock.

ABMAC

On Sunday, May 5, 2002, at 11:13  AM, <veetus@...> wrote:

>  I don't recall them wearing just the undershirts in the movie. I think
> that was a TV show convention. I vote the picture is from the TV show.
> Etc.          - - - Jeff

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 1:46 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Let's keep the replies in line with the posts

In a message dated 5/5/2002 3:15:57 PM Central Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

I've noticed before that most killers are called by their full names. I
think it's because the formality is supposed to keep us from
sympathizing with them. Of course, there are lots of good people who use
their full names also. Most people I know have dorky middle names and
prefer not to use them.

How does this relate to Planet of the Apes?

ABMAC

I think it's James' way of taking a poke at Patrick.

But, whatever the reasoning behind it is, it's just another one of those "unrelated" things being brought up in here. I don't know how long you've been in the group, but this is my 3rd time around, and all three times, I've often asked myself the same question: "How does this relate to Planet of the Apes".

There are so many times I've looked at some of the posts and thought "What the f*** is this"? I am glad that a lot of the time if it isn't Ape related, it is denoted as OT (off topic), but that's not always the case. There have been many times where someone will just take a post, and put their new topic (unrelated to the original postings content) as a reply to it. Rather than getting a reply to an Apes related topic, we get someone's thoughts on a very unrelated topic posted as a reply. (A "made up" example would be, a post on the way the Apes government is run being "replied" to with someone's post of SW or something. Like I said, I've not seen that yet, but let's face it, the way some in here post, it wouldn't be unheard of...)

I myself would like to see it if you're going to start a new thread, then at least type in a new subject heading as well, and don't start an unrelated topic over an Apes related post. If it's not Ape related, then just type those two letters OT in the subject line, it'd make it a lot nicer for those that don't want to read about off topic subjects.

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> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Two Gorillas
> Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 08:04:23 +1000
>
> Mr Cougar
>
> You should feel free to be wrong. Exactly my point about the

> people are too worried about making errors then they tend to hold

> contributing.
>
> You are not alone in missing the (not so) obvious and you are in

> company here.
>
> I hope everybody (even Pat!) here feels free to contribute without

> such a big deal if they are not totally correct all the time!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
> Sent: Monday, 6 May 2002 5:43
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] re: Two Gorillas
>
>
> In a message dated 5/5/2002 1:31:18 PM Central Standard Time,

> writes:
>
>
>
> Definitely from the TV series. Look at the rifle. The rifles in

> first movie were tapered quite a bit near the front of the

>
>
> By the way, I forgot to add to my last post on this. While you're

> the gun point you made, I still can't get past the fact that that

> gorilla has the look of a Planet gorilla... My only other way to

> tie it to the films is by saying it might be an out take from

> they still wore the neck pieces, and they also used the brown

> That'd all be grasping at straws and pure conjecture on my part

> won't even say it. I mean chances are that you're 100% right, so

> point I see is right just to save face? I can't .
>
> And yes, I know I did say that I thought it might be film related,

> it still may be (only Beneath related, rather than Planet), my main

> of even bringing the whole dilemma up was to "get some talk" going

> and I'm glad it succeeded. I will still say I'm wrong though, I

> that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>

>
> I'd like to request that Mick and Paddy fight over what it's like

> Irish names and not live in Ireland. Just trying to raise the

> posts.
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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 4:45 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Sorry to all


> OK
>
> This is not an OT because it is relevant to all in the group.
>
> I apologise to EVERYONE, especially Patrick, for the childish
> slanderous postings.
>
> Yes, Patrick, let's bury the hatchet. Email is a very poor
> communication medium and I think there were a lot of
> misunderstandings that led to the mutual hostilities.
>
> Good to see lots of new and better topics!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 Someone was saying earlier that the apes didn't wear hair collars in the series, but I remember at least one who did:  the blind chimp, Fauna.

Kassidy

  Message: 22
   Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:54:23 EDT
   From: mlccougar@...
Subject: Re: re: Two Gorillas
 
The card in question comes after a card showing Galen operating the
reflector, and just before a shot of Urko and Zako riding into the human
village, so it's not really in a reflector "sequence". The cards in sequence
by the reflector come later on (cards 49-52 clearly show the reflector), and
are scenes from the attack of the signal operator from "The Trap" episode.>

One last comment, probably flogging a dead horse, but... it may not be in the reflector sequence, however, I want to say again that the background in that card is exactly the same background as you will find in the reflector sequence from "The Trap".  Go look, I speak truth.

Brian

james611102 wrote:

Patrick Michael Tilton
John Wilkes Booth
James Earl Ray
Lee Harvey Oswald
Mark David Chapman

Anyone else see a common thread here?

--- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
wrote:
> This is from me (Patrick) to Michael; feel free to pass on by,
folks,
> if you don't want to read it (for the record, it's NOT an "attack").
>
> *** Michael (if "Mick" offends you--you never said it did or
didn't,
> so I don't know--then I'll type out "Michael" and, please, could
you
> use my full first name "Patrick"?)... let's "bury the hatchet",
> please. I enjoy debating the details of POTA for reasons I've gone
> into elsewhere ad nauseum, but I'm not all that fond of the
fighting
> going on.
>
> For the record, you've been accusing me of not being able to take
> criticism--which is NOT the case. Just because I may disagree on
> various details of the Saga with others (eg. James, Rory, you),
> doesn't mean that I can't "take" criticism. I cite the details
which I
> feel make my case--which, as you know, is an attempt to reconcile
> supposedly irreconcilable "flub" details. Quite frankly, it would
be
> foolish of me to "concede" that James' interpretation (say, of the
> Map) is "right" and that my view is "wrong" if I think that the
> entirety of the evidence supports my view.
>
> Aside from what I have felt to be unconstructive criticism on your
> part (which shouldn't matter to anybody else but us), the ONLY real
> "beef" I have with you is what I consider to have been a slanderous
> statement on your part. I do not go out of my way to pick on
> handicapped people, which is what it sure sounded like to me that
you
> had accused me of (regarding James' spelling problems). And now I
find
> that Eileen thinks that I was "playing the Spelling card" in order
to
> "win" an argument that I supposedly couldn't win based on the
> evidence. I think such a view is unwarranted, and it hurts to know
> that anybody actually could think that of me. Haven't I bored some
of
> you to death out there (eg. "That FUCKING map!") with my voluminous
> citing of the details of the Map? Haven't I cited "chapter and
verse"
> of all the extant details to make my case?
> For what it's worth, there's a reason why I didn't conclude that
> James' spelling errors were from dyslexia: when I went to school, I
> was taught that dyslexia was not just "bad spelling" but
specifically
> the inversion of letter-order (example: "slat" instead of "salt",
or
> "pot" for "top"). In other words, the pattern of James'
misspellings
> did not seem to me (based, as it turns out, on a misrepresentation
of
> dyslexia to me in my K-12 schooling) to be the result of a
disorder,
> but seemed to be representative of sloppiness. If it WERE the
result
> of mere sloppiness, then doesn't it follow that one could also be
> "sloppy" with the details being debated? It SEEMED to me that James
> was just being "sloppy" with his spelling--and based on our
> disagreement regarding that damned Map, it seemed that his
dismissal
> of the "towards-the-North" line was ALSO a case of sloppiness. He
> considers that line to be "vague"--which I still think is an
> unwarranted conclusion: there's nothing "vague" at all about a
> specific direction.
> Regrettably, my (mis-)understanding of true dyslexia resulted in a
> "misdiagnosis" of James' spelling problems... and I've gone on
record
> at least twice to apologize for whatever hurt feelings my spelling
> criticisms may have had on James.
> I've dealt with the poor spelling of my high school friends, who
would
> count on me to proofread their term papers, correcting spelling and
> grammar so that their projects would look more polished than they
> could do on their own. I never considered their bad spelling to
make
> them bad people: they're friends of mine, and they tend to have a
> less-academic orientation of mind, owning few books and relying on
a
> book-nut like me to help polish up their papers. It was the example
of
> my friends (those who didn't spend much time reading anything, even
> newspapers--except for the sports section), which I "went with"
when I
> looked at James' similar spelling gaffes. Regrettably, what didn't
> seem to me as dyslexic spelling actually WAS the result of
dyslexia...
> and I felt like crap when James finally divulged that. And I
> apologized. And I now consider myself slightly better educated as
to
> what dyslexia actually is, rather than what my schooling had led me
to
> believe it was.
>
> But I did NOT think to myself: "James can't spell--he's probably
> dyslexic... so I'm gonna slam his spelling just to make him feel
like
> a freak..." etc. It sure seemed to me that you were implying that
that
> WAS what I was thinking. And THAT, I felt, was a slander. It pissed
me
> off that ANYONE could interpret the incident that way. And ever
since
> then it's been getting uglier and uglier and uglier... and I think
> it's high time we "buried the hatchet"--though NOT in each others
> guts.
>
> Contrary to something I've been accused of (on this site), I do NOT
> consider myself to be perfect in any way. I've my share of faults,
and
> I try to keep them to a minimum in my own way. But I do not enjoy
> being accused of having a fault which I do not have--
christalmighty, I
> have enough real faults to keep me busy, I don't need any more of
> them.
>
> What do you say, Michael? My "olive branch" is here for you to
either
> accept or reject... shall we call it a truce? call it "even"? call
it
> "quits"? I'm game, if you are.
>
> Patrick Michael Tilton
> EARTH-TIME 5-05-2002
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Pat
> >
> >You are alienating yourself even further now.  There are quite a
few homos=
> exuals in this group. I am confident about my sexuality, but I beg
to ask yo=
> u (on behalf of the homosexual men in this group), would it be a
bad thing i=
> f I have tasted smegma?
> >I think maybe an apology to those you may have offended (which, I
hate to =
> tell you, does not include me) is in order for your equating
homosexual acts=
>  with negative behaviours.
> >
> >Mick
>
> *** I have no way of knowing how many (if any) homosexuals are in
this
> group. I don't know how YOU know that there are "quite a few", but
it
> doesn't bother me one way or the other.
> Would it be a "bad thing" for you to have tasted smegma? you "beg
to
> ask" me: Let me put it this way... it would gross me out, but I've
> always believed in the "live-and-let-live" philosophy, the "Golden
> Rule". I may not believe necessarily that Jesus was God/the Son of
> God/the Messiah/an actual person (rather than a literary fiction),
but
> I DO think that "Do unto others" (and its corrolary: "Don't do unto
> others what you don't want them to do to you") is a great bare-
bones
> blueprint for the ideal society. If you HAVE tasted smegma, power
to
> you, whatever floats your boat... but >yech!<!!!
> I was not "equating homosexual acts with negative behaviours"--I
was
> merely speculating about what I thought MAY be your own
predilection
> for "la fromage du tête des bites" (as a Frenchman might say).
> For the record, I was trying to be disgustingly humorous (I
probably
> failed), tying together "clues" from your past postings regarding
> homoerotic comments, "behind the scenes" work in porn, etc., in
order
> to answer your inquiry regarding "smegma". I used the
word "smeggin'"
> in an earlier posting primarily to avoid the "F" word equivalent
(for
> the sake of the kiddies who might find it shocking), taken--
obviously-
> -from "Red Dwarf"... and I didn't expect you to make "smegma" a
topic
> for discussion. But, since you did, I thought I'd respond to it...
and
> almost instantly regretted clicking the "Send" button.
> For those of you grossed out by it... appy polly logies to thee and
> thine, oh my brothers (as Alex would say).
>
> PMT
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [mailto:patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, 29 April 2002 0:36
> >
> > *** You're the one who worked "behind the scenes" in porn (so you
> claimed). I suspect that you were a fluffer in gay/trannie porn,
> given your stated desire to have another man (i.e. me) lick your
sac,
> so I imagine that you've tasted smegma on more than one occasion...
> with a salty chaser.
> >
> > PMT

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Kassidy Rae wrote:

 

  Message: 22
   Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:54:23 EDT
   From: mlccougar@...
Subject: Re: re: Two Gorillas

The card in question comes after a card showing Galen operating the
reflector, and just before a shot of Urko and Zako riding into the human
village, so it's not really in a reflector "sequence". The cards in sequence
by the reflector come later on (cards 49-52 clearly show the reflector), and
are scenes from the attack of the signal operator from "The Trap" episode.>

One last comment, probably flogging a dead horse, but... it may not be in the reflector sequence, however, I want to say again that the background in that card is exactly the same background as you will find in the reflector sequence from "The Trap".  Go look, I speak truth.

Kassidy
 
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:21 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Two gorillas

  Message: 22
   Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:54:23 EDT
   From: mlccougar@...
Subject: Re: re: Two Gorillas
 
The card in question comes after a card showing Galen operating the
reflector, and just before a shot of Urko and Zako riding into the human
village, so it's not really in a reflector "sequence". The cards in sequence
by the reflector come later on (cards 49-52 clearly show the reflector), and
are scenes from the attack of the signal operator from "The Trap" episode.>

One last comment, probably flogging a dead horse, but... it may not be in the reflector sequence, however, I want to say again that the background in that card is exactly the same background as you will find in the reflector sequence from "The Trap".  Go look, I speak truth.

Kassidy

---

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 11:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Let's keep the replies in line with the posts

In a message dated 5/5/2002 5:28:09 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 I can see related topics. Like I brought up the "Spiderman" box office, which is relevant in that "Apes" was recently a big budget summer flick, or even our opinions of "Spiderman" because it's a similar animal.

In my opinion, I really don't see the "Spiderman" receipts being relevant as an actual Apes related post. I'm not against you guys discussing it in here at all. I'm more or less saying if it's something like that, simply use the subject header  and denote it as such. Even if you're comparing the grosses of it and that 2001 apes, personally, I don't see it as actual Ape "talk", but then again, that might just be me.

As far as your saying that Apes and Spiderman are a "similar animal", I don't see it. "My" Apes (the great one from '68) is not about style and flash (Read that as "There's no substance here at all, so let's cover the inadequate story with special effects). To me, its all about the story in Apes, and while it may be seen as "action/ adventure" piece by some, it's not that way to me. Now that movie from last summer may be in line with Spiderman in that its a big budget sfx flick, but to say that the '68 movie is comparable to a sfx movie isn't plausible to me. Again, that may just be me.

But the name calling is pointless. I understand the wanting to save face when you're

attacked in the group, to respond through the group so everybody sees you can dish it out, but I suggest such matters are done privately. I know that way they won't go on as long.

Here I agree. It's natural to want to save face, but as it looked from some others postings, the only ones "interested" in the flame were those directly involved. I am glad to see that it is coming to an end though.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

  Jeff,

Go flog a dead horse.  (Now he'll be happy the rest of the day - I cannot, however, speak for the horse, even if dead.) 

Did anyone here ever find out how the tv dvds did re: sales?

Anyway,  Looking at the make-up (style of facial prosthetics and coloration) as well as the continuity of the photographic
look of the entire tv card series lends me to agree that it is either a "coffe break shot" or a deleted TV scene.  The hair-collar
(or chin piece as you are referring to it) on the leathered soldier I think is leading folks astray here.

Doesn't the card's text say something about a scout bringing something to Urko's attention.  Urko didn't wear the bulky hair
collars that were used in the film series.  If this card is a rehersal, the gorilla with the rifle could be Urko without his leathers
and costume gloves, but that's speculation (cuz I'm not looking at the card while writing).

My feelings are it's a rehersal shot for the TV show.

Bri

"whitty@..." wrote:

   I agree too but I can also see how it would be possible for the gang
   at Fox to have got this mixed up with the TV show shots because of
   the similarities in the background and because they are apes!

   Brian, do you agree that it is the full chin piece and therefore not
   TV series related?  If anyone would know I think you would.

   Michael

>
>> I already got all 18 from Japan, and paid around $35 for each one. I bought
>>
>> a few at a time, and couldn't resist getting a few more until I had them
>> all.
>> I don't even want to think about what I paid for the whole set.
>
>No need to think about it. I have a calculator right here. $630 bucks, plus
>shipping and handling. He don't feel bad. I've been collecting Japanese
>videos that cost about the same. Luckily, a couple series in the middle that
>only cost 9.95 each. So I'm enjoying it while it lasts. But instead of
>saving money I just double and triple my orders. I still spent a couple
>hundred in the last month.

>
>Patrick Michael Tilton
>John Wilkes Booth
>James Earl Ray
>Lee Harvey Oswald
>Mark David Chapman
>
>Anyone else see a common thread here?
>

>n dish it out, but I suggest such matters are done privately. I know that w=
>ay they won't go on as long. Who elected me hall monitor? I dunno. Etc. =
> - - - Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian [apeman@...]
> Sent: Monday, 6 May 2002 23:50
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Lame fan-made mask being sold as real-deal
>
>
> Hey Ken Taylor,
>
> Might you know the truth behind this mask that supposedly came from
> FOX's Aussie museum?
> It's obviously fan made, (poor sculpt, synthetic hair, etc.) but the
> London folks are flaunting it as a real movie item.
>
> You ever seen this before?
>
> <http://www.propstore.co.uk/product_info.php?pid=1072&PHPSESSID=50

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:49 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Lame fan-made mask being sold as real-deal


> Hey Ken Taylor,
>
> Might you know the truth behind this mask that supposedly came from
> FOX's Aussie museum?
> It's obviously fan made, (poor sculpt, synthetic hair, etc.) but the
> London folks are flaunting it as a real movie item.
>
> You ever seen this before?
>
>
<http://www.propstore.co.uk/product_info.php?pid=1072&PHPSESSID=50fd73b01aff
6b6282e42800f17116cd>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> When Fox first opened their studios here, there was a 'Backlot'

> opened to the public. It was no 'Universal Studios Tour' by

> rides), more like a working exhibit on the behind the scenes of

> making. Like Universal, they had demonstrations on how sound

> make up were done. It was pretty cheesy as they rushed people

> only gave kids 'scraped' knees and elbows ( which they could get

> the real world). As part of the show they would dress volunteers up

> monsters by slapping a mask over their heads. It looks like the

> they used, among others. It may have been created specifically for

> exhibit, but it certainly isn't from any of the Ape movies, as

> rightly suspected. Not surprisingly, the 'Backlot' attraction
> unceremoniously closed down about 8 months ago after being open for

> than two years. The land is being redeveloped into more (

> studio space.
> Best,
> KEN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:49 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Lame fan-made mask being sold as real-

>
>
> > Hey Ken Taylor,
> >
> > Might you know the truth behind this mask that supposedly came

> > FOX's Aussie museum?
> > It's obviously fan made, (poor sculpt, synthetic hair, etc.) but

> > London folks are flaunting it as a real movie item.
> >
> > You ever seen this before?
> >
> >
> <http://www.propstore.co.uk/product_info.php?

> 6b6282e42800f17116cd>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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--- In pota@y..., "Melkor" <melkor@m...> wrote:
> Sorry James but people are tired of seeing these kinds of posts.
>
> >
> >Patrick Michael Tilton
> >John Wilkes Booth
> >James Earl Ray
> >Lee Harvey Oswald
> >Mark David Chapman
> >
> >Anyone else see a common thread here?
> >
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Lame fan-made mask still MIGHT be real-deal?


> The presenter did actually claim it was a genuine background mask.
> When I asked why he thought so, he said it was sent to them by Fox in
> the US with that information and it was appropriately insured for a
> lot because it is supposedly one of very few that actually survived.
> He did not convince me, but he was certainly convinced.
>
> Is it possible this could be a Conquest background mask (there must
> have been a lot of those)? Isn't there a photo in a Marvel mag of a
> bunch of background masks?
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...> wrote:
> > When Fox first opened their studios here, there was a 'Backlot'
> attraction
> > opened to the public. It was no 'Universal Studios Tour' by
> comparison ( no
> > rides), more like a working exhibit on the behind the scenes of
> movie
> > making. Like Universal, they had demonstrations on how sound
> effects and
> > make up were done. It was pretty cheesy as they rushed people
> through and
> > only gave kids 'scraped' knees and elbows ( which they could get
> for free in
> > the real world). As part of the show they would dress volunteers up
> as
> > monsters by slapping a mask over their heads. It looks like the
> ape mask
> > they used, among others. It may have been created specifically for
> the
> > exhibit, but it certainly isn't from any of the Ape movies, as
> you've
> > rightly suspected. Not surprisingly, the 'Backlot' attraction
> > unceremoniously closed down about 8 months ago after being open for
> less
> > than two years. The land is being redeveloped into more

> profitable )
> > studio space.
> > Best,
> > KEN
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:49 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Lame fan-made mask being sold as real-
> deal
> >
> >
> > > Hey Ken Taylor,
> > >
> > > Might you know the truth behind this mask that supposedly came
> from
> > > FOX's Aussie museum?
> > > It's obviously fan made, (poor sculpt, synthetic hair, etc.) but
> the
> > > London folks are flaunting it as a real movie item.
> > >
> > > You ever seen this before?
> > >
> > >
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> > 6b6282e42800f17116cd>
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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:49 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and discussing OT movies (Some OT by me)

I think the popularity of the original is about the story, too. That's why the new one didn't do as well as they wanted. On the other hand, if it wasn't for the anticipation of the new one, I don't think Fox would've produced the doc "Behind the POTA."

I don't agree. I mean that documentary was produced by AMC (and Fox) for the 30th Anniversary of APES. When it was produced in '98, I believe that new movie was still on the "backburner," if even being considered at that point in time. That new one was all "talk" at that time, so why produce it in anticipation of something that may not even come to see the light of day? I just don't buy it.

I'll give you this point though, while I myself do not believe at all that the documentary was produced as anything but a tie in to AMC airing the films, the deluxe (2 disc) edition "may" have been done to "cash in" on the new thing.


I don't think we'd have the TV show on DVD. The new movie seems to have spiked sales of the original on DVD, so that might give Fox more reason to do better with the upcoming 5-star edition. So perhaps it benefited the original fans too.

Here, I'll kind of agree. Fox seen an opportunity to make a quick buck off Apes, so they went for it. They lived up to the what I think, they forget about APES, until a quick buck is to be made off of it. I only wish they had had enough $$$ in their eyes to want to make a quick buck off the cartoon too. ( This part is somewhat OT: I know sometime back, I did a posting where I said the cartoon is not "real" Apes. Well, after viewing them again after all these years, as well as reading the novels, I have had a slight change of thinking. I will write my post on my "re-evalution" of RETURN at a later time. And I had always wanted to clarify one thing, when I say I don't think something is "real" APE, I always meant it as it isn't what I consider "canon", and I see it as "Un-APElike". I never meant it as some seemed to have thought, that I was saying if you like these "uncanon" things you're not a real Apes fan, I just mean it as I don't see it as "real" APES material. I never meant it as judging ones fandom. Way off topic here, perhaps so, but I thought I'd clarify that now.)

Anyway, if it did boost sales of the real one, good, I really hope it did. At the stores here though, neither one is a huge mover from what I can tell, so I can't say how one's sales compare to the other. And, if it did boost sales as you suggest, then it also says what I was saying all along: "Nothing will beat the real deal."  


And I see discussing the state of movies as relevant to "Apes" as discussing Aristotle in relation to Haristas or the geography of New York to Cornelius' map. Like it or not, the new one still peppers people's perception of POTA as a whole, just as "Spiderman"'s success will impact Fox's decision about a sequel. Etc.        

Well think what you want, but I don't agree with you on this one at all. You seem to be thinking I told you not to discuss current movies in here. If I did, I'd like to see it. All I ever asked was that if you're going to discuss a non APES movie, go right ahead, but just denote it as OT. I'm speaking for myself (anyway,) I don't give a rat's a** about the new SW, or LOTR, or most of the other's non APES movies you discuss. Your argument that  discussing non APES films, etc.. is as relevant as the map debate, or the HARISTAS discussion doesn't hold water with me. At least they ARE APES "related". Those topics  HAVE a place in this group. What is this group supposed to be about? Last time I checked it was supposed to be about POTA, and aspects of the movies and tv series. This isn't the Entertainment Tonight/ Hollywood Reporter egroup is it? From the looks of it a lot of the time, it does look that way.

And, if what you say is true, that that abomination from last summer is what people's perceptions of Apes will be peppered with, that's too bad. If that is what they will look at and think "That's what APES is," I'm sure they'll say "No Thanks" and move on. Thankfully they did. Go ahead and say "How can you say that, you gotta support APES if you want new APES material, etc." I would have whole heartedly supported an APES movie. That thing they made wasn't, and never will be. They took a good name, and slung it thru the mud. I could not, and would not support any movie that takes on something's name, but isn't what the name implies to me. I mean just because it was called POTA doesn't make it so. And to "support it" thinking we'll get more APES material in the future isn't true. I mean all it'd do as far as getting us anything new would maybe get us more of the new crap. If that thing from last year had lived up to expectations, do you think FOX's next move would be to make a movie based in the timelines of (or leading to) the originals? No way...All it'd do is get us more of like they had in the one from last year.

And finally,  Fox (and all studios) see dollar signs from what they're backing. I got the feeling they wouldn't make another movie with the APES name attached to it, because of the "stigma" attached to it. It may have made money, but is still a flop in their eyes, so Spiderman making all the money in the world won't change that. All Fox will do is start a superhero franchise to cash in on a craze (if there is going to be one.) I myself don't think APES will be it's new "cash cow."

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:49 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and discussing OT ...

I got the feeling they wouldn't make another movie with the APES name attached to it, because of the "stigma" attached to it.

From what I understand an "stigma" that is attached to it is Fox's own fault, and always has been.  On the original series they kept cutting the budget.  On the new one they gave them an unworkable deadline that had Burton cutting until the last possible moment.  Granted you can't polish a turd but I would have given that one a couple more goes in the turd polishing machine.  If fox release a stinkburger under their name then they should know when it was their own fault, they should learn from their mistakes.  Unfortunately the film business is much like the music biz.  If something's sales decline they tend to fire everyone but the suit!  If they do he has another job before his shoes need a shine.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

> In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
>
> Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They

> less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then

> support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but

> see supporting something just because of the name attached to

> that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should

> the get go.)
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and


> That's a good point Mr Cougar.
>
> You know, I think Fox realises by now that we will put up with most
> any shit they dish out because we have since the first sequel!
>
> But I guess if POTA 2001 completely flopped out it would have put an
> end to any thought of more POTA projects - not for the right reasons
> but because they would never consider that with all they hold dear
> they mighty have got the FORMULA (key word) wrong!
>
> By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
> comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
> when the shit starts flying?
>
> I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
> to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
> worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
> presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
> worthy goal, but no input.
>
> I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.
>
> Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
> effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
> (sounds like a Fox project).
>
> (sarcastic) Michael
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> > veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
> >
> > Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
> more or
> > less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
> you "have" to
> > support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
> I cannot
> > see supporting something just because of the name attached to
> it, "in hopes"
> > that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
> have from
> > the get go.)
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2002 22:33
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
>
>
> No offense, Michael. That topic is more of a weekend thing. I haven't
> deleted it. Lots of topics go uncommented on. Most people don't
> contribute.
> That's just the way it is.
> As for Fox, obviously it's just tough to do a good "Apes". The original
> (and the book) was inspired, the rest are for other reasons than
> inspiration. Look at all the talented people who took a crack at
> the remake
> the last 10 years. They barely had two ideas to rub together.
> Good movies in
> general are few and far between. Etc. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
>
>
> > That's a good point Mr Cougar.
> >
> > You know, I think Fox realises by now that we will put up with most
> > any shit they dish out because we have since the first sequel!
> >
> > But I guess if POTA 2001 completely flopped out it would have put an
> > end to any thought of more POTA projects - not for the right reasons
> > but because they would never consider that with all they hold dear
> > they mighty have got the FORMULA (key word) wrong!
> >
> > By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
> > comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
> > when the shit starts flying?
> >
> > I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
> > to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
> > worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
> > presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
> > worthy goal, but no input.
> >
> > I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.
> >
> > Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
> > effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
> > (sounds like a Fox project).
> >
> > (sarcastic) Michael
> >
> > --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > veetus@... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
> > >
> > > Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
> > more or
> > > less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
> > you "have" to
> > > support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
> > I cannot
> > > see supporting something just because of the name attached to
> > it, "in hopes"
> > > that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
> > have from
> > > the get go.)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

<By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
when the shit starts flying?

I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
worthy goal, but no input.>

Okay, I thought the list was GREAT but I couldn't think of anything else to add.  So I'll just let you know that when I read it, I kept thinking, damn, that would be nice to have.  I did, however, appreciate you effort, okay dokey?

Kass
I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.

Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
(sounds like a Fox project).

(sarcastic) Michael

--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
>
> Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They

> less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then

> support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but

> see supporting something just because of the name attached to

> that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should

> the get go.)
>

I've always felt that there should be a really nice "Art of Planet of the Apes" coffee table book made up from production art, behind the scenes fotos, and the shooting script.  This issue has come up in convos before, but no one seems to want to take the reins on it.

B

Kassidy Rae wrote:

 

<By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
when the shit starts flying?

I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
worthy goal, but no input.>

Okay, I thought the list was GREAT but I couldn't think of anything else to add.  So I'll just let you know that when I read it, I kept thinking, damn, that would be nice to have.  I did, however, appreciate you effort, okay dokey?

Kass
I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.

Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
(sounds like a Fox project).

(sarcastic) Michael

--- mlccougar@... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
>
> Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
more or
> less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
you "have" to
> support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
I cannot
> see supporting something just because of the name attached to
it, "in hopes"
> that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
have from
> the get go.)
>
 
 
 

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 05:32:55 -0700
From: 
Subject: Re: Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and

No offense, Michael. That topic is more of a weekend thing. I haven't
deleted it. Lots of topics go uncommented on. Most people don't contribute.
That's just the way it is.
As for Fox, obviously it's just tough to do a good "Apes". The original
(and the book) was inspired, the rest are for other reasons than
inspiration. Look at all the talented people who took a crack at the remake
the last 10 years. They barely had two ideas to rub together. Good movies in
general are few and far between. Etc. - - Jeff
 

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
 

> That's a good point Mr Cougar.
>
> You know, I think Fox realises by now that we will put up with most
> any shit they dish out because we have since the first sequel!
>
> But I guess if POTA 2001 completely flopped out it would have put an
> end to any thought of more POTA projects - not for the right reasons
> but because they would never consider that with all they hold dear
> they mighty have got the FORMULA (key word) wrong!
>
> By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
> comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
> when the shit starts flying?
>
> I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
> to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
> worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
> presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
> worthy goal, but no input.
>
> I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.
>
> Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
> effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
> (sounds like a Fox project).
>
> (sarcastic) Michael
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> > veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
> >
> > Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
> more or
> > less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
> you "have" to
> > support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
> I cannot
> > see supporting something just because of the name attached to
> it, "in hopes"
> > that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
> have from
> > the get go.)
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
 
 

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:35:47 +1000
From: "Michael Whitty" 
Subject: DVD List and Uninspired Sequels

None taken Jeff!

I look forward to the weekend!

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2002 22:33
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
>
>
> No offense, Michael. That topic is more of a weekend thing. I haven't
> deleted it. Lots of topics go uncommented on. Most people don't
> contribute.
> That's just the way it is.
> As for Fox, obviously it's just tough to do a good "Apes". The original
> (and the book) was inspired, the rest are for other reasons than
> inspiration. Look at all the talented people who took a crack at
> the remake
> the last 10 years. They barely had two ideas to rub together.
> Good movies in
> general are few and far between. Etc. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
>
>
> > That's a good point Mr Cougar.
> >
> > You know, I think Fox realises by now that we will put up with most
> > any shit they dish out because we have since the first sequel!
> >
> > But I guess if POTA 2001 completely flopped out it would have put an
> > end to any thought of more POTA projects - not for the right reasons
> > but because they would never consider that with all they hold dear
> > they mighty have got the FORMULA (key word) wrong!
> >
> > By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
> > comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
> > when the shit starts flying?
> >
> > I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
> > to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
> > worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
> > presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
> > worthy goal, but no input.
> >
> > I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.
> >
> > Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
> > effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
> > (sounds like a Fox project).
> >
> > (sarcastic) Michael
> >
> > --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > veetus@... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
> > >
> > > Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
> > more or
> > > less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
> > you "have" to
> > > support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
> > I cannot
> > > see supporting something just because of the name attached to
> > it, "in hopes"
> > > that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
> > have from
> > > the get go.)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
 

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:06:20 +1000
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" 
Subject: CURB YOUR HUMAN
 
 
 

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