>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:29 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Art of Planet of the Apes" coffee table book.

Can anyone tell me if Fox are still imposing the same restrictions on photos of the originals?  If they are it would make the book near impossible.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [mailto:apeman@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2002 22:19
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] wish list for dvds

As per wish lists:

I've always felt that there should be a really nice "Art of Planet of the Apes" coffee table book made up from production art, behind the scenes fotos, and the shooting script.  This issue has come up in convos before, but no one seems to want to take the reins on it.

B

Kassidy Rae wrote:

 

<By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
when the shit starts flying?

I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
worthy goal, but no input.>

Okay, I thought the list was GREAT but I couldn't think of anything else to add.  So I'll just let you know that when I read it, I kept thinking, damn, that would be nice to have.  I did, however, appreciate you effort, okay dokey?

Kass
I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.

Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
(sounds like a Fox project).

(sarcastic) Michael

--- mlccougar@... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
>
> Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
more or
> less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
you "have" to
> support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
I cannot
> see supporting something just because of the name attached to
it, "in hopes"
> that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
have from
> the get go.)
>
 
 
 

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 05:32:55 -0700
From: 
Subject: Re: Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and

No offense, Michael. That topic is more of a weekend thing. I haven't
deleted it. Lots of topics go uncommented on. Most people don't contribute.
That's just the way it is.
As for Fox, obviously it's just tough to do a good "Apes". The original
(and the book) was inspired, the rest are for other reasons than
inspiration. Look at all the talented people who took a crack at the remake
the last 10 years. They barely had two ideas to rub together. Good movies in
general are few and far between. Etc. - - Jeff
 

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
 

> That's a good point Mr Cougar.
>
> You know, I think Fox realises by now that we will put up with most
> any shit they dish out because we have since the first sequel!
>
> But I guess if POTA 2001 completely flopped out it would have put an
> end to any thought of more POTA projects - not for the right reasons
> but because they would never consider that with all they hold dear
> they mighty have got the FORMULA (key word) wrong!
>
> By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
> comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
> when the shit starts flying?
>
> I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
> to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
> worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
> presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
> worthy goal, but no input.
>
> I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.
>
> Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
> effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
> (sounds like a Fox project).
>
> (sarcastic) Michael
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> > veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
> >
> > Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
> more or
> > less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
> you "have" to
> > support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
> I cannot
> > see supporting something just because of the name attached to
> it, "in hopes"
> > that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
> have from
> > the get go.)
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>
>
>
 
 
 

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:35:47 +1000
From: "Michael Whitty" 
Subject: DVD List and Uninspired Sequels

None taken Jeff!

I look forward to the weekend!

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2002 22:33
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
>
>
> No offense, Michael. That topic is more of a weekend thing. I haven't
> deleted it. Lots of topics go uncommented on. Most people don't
> contribute.
> That's just the way it is.
> As for Fox, obviously it's just tough to do a good "Apes". The original
> (and the book) was inspired, the rest are for other reasons than
> inspiration. Look at all the talented people who took a crack at
> the remake
> the last 10 years. They barely had two ideas to rub together.
> Good movies in
> general are few and far between. Etc. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Last summer's moneymaking "flop", and
>
>
> > That's a good point Mr Cougar.
> >
> > You know, I think Fox realises by now that we will put up with most
> > any shit they dish out because we have since the first sequel!
> >
> > But I guess if POTA 2001 completely flopped out it would have put an
> > end to any thought of more POTA projects - not for the right reasons
> > but because they would never consider that with all they hold dear
> > they mighty have got the FORMULA (key word) wrong!
> >
> > By the way, why is it that no one in this group seems to want to
> > comment/contribute to worthy projects and most of us just chime in
> > when the shit starts flying?
> >
> > I asked 2 days ago for comments on the list I went to great lengths
> > to compile. The goal is to give Fox a coherent request for something
> > worthwhile and to determine if the material exists, is accessible, is
> > presentable, and may be considered for DVD release in the future. A
> > worthy goal, but no input.
> >
> > I also asked for lists of videos released. Nothing.
> >
> > Maybe we should just get back to exchanging insults? It may not be
> > effective, but it sure is an efficient way to achieve communications
> > (sounds like a Fox project).
> >
> > (sarcastic) Michael
> >
> > --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 5/7/2002 7:25:08 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > veetus@... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > As for the new one, I never said we had to "support" it.
> > >
> > > Well, perhaps YOU "yourself" didn't say it, but others have. They
> > more or
> > > less said, "If you want to see, a "proper" APES movie, then
> > you "have" to
> > > support this one so they'll "maybe" do one sometime. I'm sorry, but
> > I cannot
> > > see supporting something just because of the name attached to
> > it, "in hopes"
> > > that "someday" they might decide to do it right (like they should
> > have from
> > > the get go.)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>
>
>
 
 

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:06:20 +1000
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" 
Subject: CURB YOUR HUMAN
 
 
 

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----- Original Message -----
From: <CheeseGOTAS@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Giants?


> In a message dated 5/9/02 5:03:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@...
> writes:
>
> << > Why does it say "Hidden"?
> >
> Best guess? They aren't listed in the liner notes.
> Perhaps they are just Bonus Tracks.
> I checked the discography on CD Now
> and got this for Severe Tire Damage . . . >>
>
> They're SECRET tracks, at the end of the CD. Not listed on the track
order.
>
> -Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:07 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Giants?

You think that's good! 
Redd Kross'  ZIRA (CALL OUT MY NAME) is better still...

I know that one day that she'll be mine
Poor Cornelius -- he'll be crying
So if you ever think of me
And you ever need love, Zira
I promise you the best that you've ever seen
Zira, I never want to see you cry

                         - - -    Redd Kross

  "Cornelius, Cornelius, I miss you ape
I miss your toffee cape. Cornelius, you were
my favorite ape
I've got to get back to that crazy planet that
  they call the planet of the apes"

                             - - - They Might Be Giants

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----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kross?


>
> For those of you interested it was from Redd Kross' Third Eye album. Good
> luck finding it. It's been out of print for some time. But there are
still
> a few CDs around out there. I sent one to Kim and kept a cutout for
myself.
> In fact the cutout bin might be a good place to look. Or you can check
the
> Redd Kross section of places like CD Warehouse that buy used CDs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:14 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pictures not parodies

In a message dated 5/10/2002 6:57:23 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Yeah, I have that, too. And of course there's the Simpsons musical on the "In the Key of Springfield" CD. A good "Apes" coffee table book should have some of these lyrics and some CD covers (like Pearl Jam's unused Zauis cover). If only Devo had done an Ursus song. Etc.                                 - - - Jeff

I wouldn't include any of those type of things in a coffee table book. A book like that should be good photos and text, and not include what are basically a bunch of "parodies." Parodies lower APES, making it even more of a "target" to those who call it "cheesy," "over the top," and sh*t like that. I don't see why any one would want to see mockeries of APES in what should be a legit book (should one ever be compiled ).

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----- Original Message -----
From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Redd Kross?


> I found the "Third Eye" audio cassette at a used music store. That's the
> only copy I ever found and I wouldn't have known about it except for Eric
> Greene's book (bless him). Etc. - - - Jeff
>
> It's a great album, from a great band. For those of you who'd like to
search
> online, it was released in 1990, on Atlantic Records. If you're not
familiar
> with Redd Kross it started as a punk formed by two brothers, Jeff and
Steve
> McDonald, in their early teens, playing shows with bands such as Black
Flag.
> When the two wonder kids grew up their label sent them to music and
singing
> lessons and they gained a more Pop Punk sound and were instrumental in
> bringing Japanese Pop Punk Girl Group, Shonen Knife to the states and
making
> them rock stars here. One of Shonen Knife's member Michie has left the
band
> to have a baby, but the sister Naoko and Atsuko, are still going strong
and
> looking for a new US distribution deal for their new album Strawberry
Sound.
> When Mechie left, Atsuko moved up to bass, and they found a new girl to
play
> drums. The McDonald brothers have appeared in several films including
Gas,
> Food & Lodging and the hilarious Spirit of '76 with teen idol David
Cassidy.
> If any of you have the old copy of Maximum Rock & Roll with the pic from
> Rodney On The Roq's Top 20 Request, you'll see Rodney Biggenheimer of KROQ
> with Steve McDonald and Susanna Hoffs of The Bangles and Shonen Knife, one
of
> whom, Michie, is wearing my band The Caffiends, T-shirt. For those of you
> who aren't familiar with Shonen Knife you can hear their song, Buttercup
(I'm
> a Super Girl) on the Cartoon Network, as a music video, usually folloing
The
> Power Puff Girls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Redd Kross?

And wasn't it Shonen Knife who did a cover of a Carpenters song on the 'If I
were a Carpenter" tribute CD?

It could well be.  One of their covers is The Carpenters song, On Top Of The World.  Others include, The Monkees', Daydream Believer, and The Beatles tune, Boys, as well as, Heatwave.  To keep this more on an Apes topic, who can tell me who wrote the Monkees' hit, Daydream Believer?

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> I wouldn't include any of those type of things in a coffee table

> like that should be good photos and text, and not include what are

> a bunch of "parodies." Parodies lower APES, making it even more of a

> to those who call it "cheesy," "over the top," and sh*t like that. I

> see why any one would want to see mockeries of APES in what should

> book (should one ever be compiled ).

Monday at 10Pm Eastern, AMC is doing a BACKSTORY  show on behind the 2001 Planet of the Apes, for those who care.

Brian

its_a_mad_house wrote:

Just wanted to say a quick hello! I have been looking for a Planet
of the Apes club that had a bit more activity. Wow, looks like I
came to the right place.  Although I consider myself to be an old
school Apes purist, I would like to weigh in by saying I thought Tim
Roth's performance was absolutely kick ass despite the mediocre
script he had to work with. Anyway, thanks for having me, it's great
to be here and I am looking forward to getting involved. Bernard
(its_a_mad_house)

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Do I get a cookie too?

B

LordTZer0@... wrote:

 

Wasn't it Neil Diamond?

You are correct sir!
You win a cookie.
 

 Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly have to be  the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons, probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my opinion.  Bernard

  CheeseGOTAS@... wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:40 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DVD Wish List


> Hi all
>
> Here is the summary of all your contributions as promised.
>
> This is still raw and I would appreciate any comments. Have I missed
> anything?
>
> I have this in a table but I am at work and this is the only format I
> can send. Will send the other later, but let's work on this first eh?
>
>
> Planet
>
> „h Footage in the beginning when the astronauts are travelling through
> the Forbidden Zone - The rope decent. It's noted in Planet of the
> Apes revisited in a letter to Frank Schaffner from Mort Abrams.
>
> „h The astronauts in the Forbidden Zone setting under the dew
> collector (later worn by Dodge when they are in the cornfield scenes.)
>
> „h Scene of Heston swimming across the lake in front of ape city and
> having a little gorilla boy throw rocks at him (shot for the escape
> sequence, but cut for length).
>
> „h Scene of Zira and Lucius being stopped by gorillas as they leave
> Ape City with Taylor.
>
> „h Lucius asking Cornelius who put the scarecrows up. Cornelius
> says "The hunt club." to which Lucius asks, "To scare humans?" and
> Cornelius replying "To scare us too, we're entering the Forbidden
> Zone." Mentioned in both the comic adaptation, as well as the back of
> one of the movie cards. (In the comic, he asks Zira, on the card, he
> asks Cornelius.)
>
> „h Nova Pregnant (I think in "Behind the POTA" they say the pregnancy
> scene was filmed; ¡§shot, but later removed¡¨; "POTA Revisited" says
> the pregnancy scene was filmed and Lou Wagner says Kim Hunter nailed
> it.
>
> „h "Mini-Films" of POTA & Beneath (digest versions of these films
> prepared for movie distributors) includes scenes not shown (eg.
> missing lines of Ursus' speech, Missing lines from Sauna scene).
>
> „h The entire make up test that begins with conceptual sketches Jabobs
> had done by artists, is narrated by someone who tells you about
> the 'proposed' film, and is scored by music from the "Lost in Space"
> TV show.
>
> „h 1968 featurette about the creating of the make up.
>
> „h That's Hollywood (POTA-themed episode of this 80's syndicated
> movie program
>
> „h Saturday Night Live Appearance by Charlton Heston with full Planet
> of the Apes Crew
>
> „h Chuck, John Chambers, William Creber, Mort Abrahams, comments about
> the score from Jerry Goldsmith and what it was like collaborating
> with Franklin J. Schaffner.
>
> „h Longer interviews with some of the stars such as Heston, Linda
> Harrison, etc
>
> Beneath
>
> „h Entire Ursus speech
>
> „h Longer Sauna dialogue
>
> „h Scene of Ursus, Zauis, and the minister debating the invasion (was
> in the comic adaptation, and may not have been shot at all).
>
> „h "Mini-Films" of POTA & Beneath (digest versions of these films
> prepared for movie distributors) includes scenes not show in the
> movie (eg. missing lines of Ursus' speech, Missing lines from the
> Sauna scene )
>
> „h Complete make up test of mutants with crazy eyes, and half ape kid
> from Beneath
>
> „h Commentary track with Ted Post (and an optional director's cut).
>
> Escape
>
> „h Scene at the beginning with Astro Apes witnessing Earth being
> destroyed.
>
> „h Kim Hunter, Natalie Trundy and Bradford Dillman commentary.
>
> Conquest
>
> „h Ape being gunned down at beginning.
>
> „h Generally I believe there was originally a lot more graphic
> violence which was cut out.
>
> „h Ability to select to watch the movie with or without extra footage.
>
> „h A 1972 featurette during production of Conquest
>
> „h Behind the scenes footage from Conquest
>
> „h Commentary track with J. Lee Thompson (and an optional director's
> cut).
>
> Battle
>
> „h Scenes that were included in Japanese Laser Disc.
>
> „h Aldo on the School Bus
>
> „h Ability to select to watch the movie with or without extra footage.
>
> „h Commentary track with J. Lee Thompson (and an optional director's
> cut).
>
> TV
>
> „h Footage from the show (didn¡¦t Roddy take home movies all the
> time?).
>
> „h The legendary "Aged Galen" footage that everyone talks about but no
> one has a copy of.
>
> „h Sci-Fi Channel TV show short intros by Roddy McDowell, talking
> about the Galen character.
>
> „h Interviews and commentary by James Naughton, Ron Harper and Booth
> Coleman.
>
> Return Cartoon
>
> „h An interview with ¡§Return¡¨ creator Doug Wildey, who talks about 3
> episodes that he planned to wrap up the cartoon that were never
> filmed.
>
> „h " In episode 13 the humans finally get to the point where they can
> actually attack something as an organised force. Show 14 would have
> them organising to hit the apes where it hurts, which is the
> munitions dumps and airplane fuel tanks. Show # 15 was where there
> would be a big fight - how the hell I would have done it I don't know
> because you can't hurt anybody - and the final episode is where they
> blow up the ammunition dumps, the gas, and the whole thing. I
> basically brought it to the point where there was an uneasy truce
> between apes and humans where they set up in the forbidden zone; this
> kind of truce thing where the two leaders meet and we wrap up the
> show. Maybe, just maybe, they could've learned from each other".
>
> General:
> „h Isolated music scores for all movies.
> „h A massive gallery of behind-the-scenes photos including rare
> stills! Eg the ones during rehearsal, where Kim has a baret in her
> hair, Linda has her hair tied back in a babushka and talking to the
> director. I like the ones where they¡¦re doing a scene but something
> is out of place like smoking a ciggie or a grip with a light in the
> background. All the production illustrations when they were planning
> to film Boulle's novel before deciding it would be too expensive,
> including the original 13 paintings (which was sold to a private
> collector in '71).
> „h Posters Stills
> „h A boxed set that includes all this, plus the sequels, the TV show,
> and the cartoon series would be fantastic. The Planet of the Apes
> Omnibus.
> „h If there are sequences that were not fully filmed, then we could
> suggest a gathering of all photographs with commentary or something.
> „h All the production art and conceptual illustrations in one package.
> „h Roddy appearing on Carol Burnett. This is available from Columbia
> who are selling a collection of her show, and I believe that it is
> tape 2 in the collection in the 70s in full ape regalia.
> „h Oscar footage
> „h Interviews/possible comics (if they were drawn/drafted) re where
> the comics were going:
> „h I do believe everything was set for an issue #30. It was advertised
> in #29 as a titanic sized issue. "Terror" was certainly to be in it.
> And in #29 "Future History Chronicles" was left hanging. And
> the "King Arthur" series was also left hanging as well. I be willing
> to bet #30 is/was around but probably will never see print.
> „h Costumes/restorations and reproductions ¡V Ape Mania (Brian).
> „h Six different MEGO - PLANET OF THE APES Action Figure Toy TV
> Commercials from 1974-75
> „h Entire collection of all Simpsons POTA related footage.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: bernie johnson

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wow...busy place

 Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly have to be  the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons, probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my opinion.  Bernard

  CheeseGOTAS@... wrote:

Welcome to the group, Bernie.  What's your favorite Apes movie?

-Joe


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 Jeff, great question! I would have to agree with you and say the lamest part of the new movie was certainy right before the final battle, where Walhberg limply tries to rally the troops. In that scene he had the opportunity to deliver the goods in a Mel Gibson Braveheart like fashion, save the second half of the movie and secure his place as an actor that can bring it on home. It certainly would have better for him to have missed by going way over the top than by coming up so horribly short. I thought Walhberg did an adequate job through the first part of the movie and probably wasn't that bad a choice to play the part of Leo. His subdued style at times had me wishing for a bit more is all.

What was right about the movie you ask? Two words....Tim Roth! His portrayal as General Thade certainly carried the day. So good was his performance its hard to actually pick my favorite. His scenes with Ari were great, when he freaked upon hearing of the humans escape was truly classic, and what a treat it was to watch him interacting with the God- like Heston in a scene that should go down in history. I can only imagine the challenges the ape actors have had in bringing their skills, abilities and emotions through the make up. If Roddy was the true master, its no stretch to meantion Roth in the same breath.  Anyone else care to weigh in? Bernard

  veetus@... wrote:

  Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about the new movie is that most people don't seem to like it but when pressed the answers vary wildly about what they did like. Some hate the Heston scene, others find it the only redeeming quality, etc. Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one thing you hated most. This could be good if people participate.

  I'll go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the music" or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and she rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements (which some hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and it's played well here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives us our best clue to Thade's character ("You care so much for these humans and nothing for me"). This is the only scene in the movie that I can't find anything to complain about. HATE: The scene where Leo is rallying the humans ("Men have had to fight for what they believe in" or something like that). Talk about cliche, and badly done cliche. Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If the character had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have pulled it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might of had something.

  Who's next? Etc.                               - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: bernie johnson

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wow...busy place

 Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly have to be  the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons, probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my opinion.  Bernard

  CheeseGOTAS@... wrote:

Welcome to the group, Bernie.  What's your favorite Apes movie?

-Joe

---

--- In pota@y..., bernie johnson <bernmanufo@y...> wrote:
>
> Jeff, great question! I would have to agree with you and say the
lamest part of the new movie was certainy right before the final
battle, where Walhberg limply tries to rally the troops. In that
scene he had the opportunity to deliver the goods in a Mel Gibson
Braveheart like fashion, save the second half of the movie and secure
his place as an actor that can bring it on home. It certainly would
have better for him to have missed by going way over the top than by
coming up so horribly short. I thought Walhberg did an adequate job
through the first part of the movie and probably wasn't that bad a
choice to play the part of Leo. His subdued style at times had me
wishing for a bit more is all.
> What was right about the movie you ask? Two words....Tim Roth! His
portrayal as General Thade certainly carried the day. So good was his
performance its hard to actually pick my favorite. His scenes with
Ari were great, when he freaked upon hearing of the humans escape was
truly classic, and what a treat it was to watch him interacting with
the God- like Heston in a scene that should go down in history. I can
only imagine the challenges the ape actors have had in bringing their
skills, abilities and emotions through the make up. If Roddy was the
true master, its no stretch to meantion Roth in the same breath.
Anyone else care to weigh in? Bernard
> veetus@e... wrote: Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about
the new movie is that most people don't seem to like it but when
pressed the answers vary wildly about what they did like. Some hate
the Heston scene, others find it the only redeeming quality, etc.
Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one
thing you hated most. This could be good if people participate. I'll
go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the music"
or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so
it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and
she rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements
(which some hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and
it's played well here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives
us our best clue to Thade's character ("You care so much for these
humans and nothing for me"). This is the only scene in the movie that
I can't find anything to complain about. HATE: The scene where Leo is
rallying the humans ("Men have had to fight for what they believe in"
or something like that). Talk about cliche, and badly done cliche.
Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If the character
had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have pulled
it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the
second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might
of had something. Who's next? Etc. - -
- Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: bernie johnson To:
pota@y... Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PMSubject: Re: [Planet of
the Apes] Wow...busy place
>
> Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly
have to be the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons,
probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of
Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next
would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the
Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James
Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top
three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again
because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the
incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in
Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my
opinion. Bernard
> CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote: Welcome to the group, Bernie. What's
your favorite Apes movie?
>
> -Joe
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------

On Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 07:14 PM, <veetus@...> wrote:

> Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one
> thing you hated most.

----- Original Message -----
From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOVE/HATE


> I just can't accept this as an Apes movie, but if I throw out the
> misnaming I'll play the game. The whole movie was cliche.
>
> I liked the scene that sets up Ari's aversion to the mistreatment of
> humans. The slavetrader, Limbo, saying something like, "The last
> thing you want in your home is a human teenager." Cliche, but cute.
> Limbo comes off being somewhat of a Pooh Bear. I liked him.
>
> I definitely agree that the "rallying of troops" was lame. Where did
> he get their support? It wasn't because he could talk -- so could
> others. It wasn't because he was a good leader -- he lost two humans
> leaving Ape City and showed a sort of contempt for them through the
> movie, anyway.
>
> I didn't get the point about the gun. Yeah, it was there. Yeah, I
> suppose it symbolized human violence. (The Apes were very violent so
> there was no point to be made there.) I find a place where they got
> to the point about that. There were too many things branching off
> the story that never went anywhere.
>
> For what it's worth.
>
> --Helen
>
> PS Welcome, Bernie.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., bernie johnson <bernmanufo@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff, great question! I would have to agree with you and say the
> lamest part of the new movie was certainy right before the final
> battle, where Walhberg limply tries to rally the troops. In that
> scene he had the opportunity to deliver the goods in a Mel Gibson
> Braveheart like fashion, save the second half of the movie and secure
> his place as an actor that can bring it on home. It certainly would
> have better for him to have missed by going way over the top than by
> coming up so horribly short. I thought Walhberg did an adequate job
> through the first part of the movie and probably wasn't that bad a
> choice to play the part of Leo. His subdued style at times had me
> wishing for a bit more is all.
> > What was right about the movie you ask? Two words....Tim Roth! His
> portrayal as General Thade certainly carried the day. So good was his
> performance its hard to actually pick my favorite. His scenes with
> Ari were great, when he freaked upon hearing of the humans escape was
> truly classic, and what a treat it was to watch him interacting with
> the God- like Heston in a scene that should go down in history. I can
> only imagine the challenges the ape actors have had in bringing their
> skills, abilities and emotions through the make up. If Roddy was the
> true master, its no stretch to meantion Roth in the same breath.
> Anyone else care to weigh in? Bernard
> > veetus@e... wrote: Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about
> the new movie is that most people don't seem to like it but when
> pressed the answers vary wildly about what they did like. Some hate
> the Heston scene, others find it the only redeeming quality, etc.
> Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one
> thing you hated most. This could be good if people participate. I'll
> go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the music"
> or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so
> it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and
> she rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements
> (which some hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and
> it's played well here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives
> us our best clue to Thade's character ("You care so much for these
> humans and nothing for me"). This is the only scene in the movie that
> I can't find anything to complain about. HATE: The scene where Leo is
> rallying the humans ("Men have had to fight for what they believe in"
> or something like that). Talk about cliche, and badly done cliche.
> Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If the character
> had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have pulled
> it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the
> second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might
> of had something. Who's next? Etc. - -
> - Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: bernie johnson To:
> pota@y... Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PMSubject: Re: [Planet of
> the Apes] Wow...busy place
> >
> > Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly
> have to be the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons,
> probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of
> Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next
> would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the
> Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James
> Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top
> three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again
> because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the
> incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in
> Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my
> opinion. Bernard
> > CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote: Welcome to the group, Bernie. What's
> your favorite Apes movie?
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------

----- Original Message -----
From: "smugster2000" <4print@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOVE/HATE


> I loved the poster! The one with all the Ape Calvalry lined up on
> hoseback. Beautiful, evocative and very 'Burton'. It promised a
> movie we didn't get.
>
> I hated that stupid 'twist' at the end that just added insult to injury.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: bernie johnson

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOVE/HATE

 Jeff, great question! I would have to agree with you and say the lamest part of the new movie was certainy right before the final battle, where Walhberg limply tries to rally the troops. In that scene he had the opportunity to deliver the goods in a Mel Gibson Braveheart like fashion, save the second half of the movie and secure his place as an actor that can bring it on home. It certainly would have better for him to have missed by going way over the top than by coming up so horribly short. I thought Walhberg did an adequate job through the first part of the movie and probably wasn't that bad a choice to play the part of Leo. His subdued style at times had me wishing for a bit more is all.

What was right about the movie you ask? Two words....Tim Roth! His portrayal as General Thade certainly carried the day. So good was his performance its hard to actually pick my favorite. His scenes with Ari were great, when he freaked upon hearing of the humans escape was truly classic, and what a treat it was to watch him interacting with the God- like Heston in a scene that should go down in history. I can only imagine the challenges the ape actors have had in bringing their skills, abilities and emotions through the make up. If Roddy was the true master, its no stretch to meantion Roth in the same breath.  Anyone else care to weigh in? Bernard

  veetus@... wrote:

  Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about the new movie is that most people don't seem to like it but when pressed the answers vary wildly about what they did like. Some hate the Heston scene, others find it the only redeeming quality, etc. Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one thing you hated most. This could be good if people participate.

  I'll go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the music" or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and she rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements (which some hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and it's played well here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives us our best clue to Thade's character ("You care so much for these humans and nothing for me"). This is the only scene in the movie that I can't find anything to complain about. HATE: The scene where Leo is rallying the humans ("Men have had to fight for what they believe in" or something like that). Talk about cliche, and badly done cliche. Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If the character had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have pulled it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might of had something.

  Who's next? Etc.                               - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: bernie johnson

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wow...busy place

 Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly have to be  the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons, probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my opinion.  Bernard

  CheeseGOTAS@... wrote:

Welcome to the group, Bernie.  What's your favorite Apes movie?

-Joe


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

---

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2002 14:53
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOVE/HATE
>
>
> I liked the makeup on everyone except the female chimps, but I still
> prefer Chambers' work.
> What I hated most was Tim Roth's performance (Sorry, Bernie). Charlton
> Heston, as Taylor, was over the top when he needed to be, but Roth never
> quit. He'd have been fragged by his own soldiers long ago. He certainly
> wouldn't have been invited to dinner parties or dating Senator's
> daughters.
>
> ABMAC
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2002, at 07:14 PM, <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one
> > thing you hated most.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2002 17:58
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOVE/HATE
>
>
> Yeah, I agree with you, Helen, on both points. Not only, how did Leo get
> the humans' support, how did they even hear about him? A lot of that stuff
> reminds me of "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome". Remember, with the plane
> sticking out of the desert, and the primitive kids running around it, and
> Mel Gibson is their savior? What's the point of watching them steal horses
> and cross into the "forbidden area"? The other humans didn't seem to have
> any trouble getting there.
> And yeah, too much that leads no where. The movie was originally written
> in 1999, during the hype for "The Phantom Menace" and it has that feel of
> the payoffs coming in the sequels. Writer Broyles, in "Creative
> Screenwriting", said, "I originally called it "The Visitor:
> Episode 1 in the
> Chronicles of Aschlar". It was originally conceived as the first
> of 3 movies
> in a whole new cycle". And of course he originally made Ari a princess.
> Limbo grew on me on the DVD. I hated him in the theatre (a Jar
> Jar kind of
> guy) but there's a dark humor to him I kinda like now. He's one of the few
> characters with a spark to him. Etc. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sand_hill_school" <sand_hill_school@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOVE/HATE
>
>
> > I just can't accept this as an Apes movie, but if I throw out the
> > misnaming I'll play the game. The whole movie was cliche.
> >
> > I liked the scene that sets up Ari's aversion to the mistreatment of
> > humans. The slavetrader, Limbo, saying something like, "The last
> > thing you want in your home is a human teenager." Cliche, but cute.
> > Limbo comes off being somewhat of a Pooh Bear. I liked him.
> >
> > I definitely agree that the "rallying of troops" was lame. Where did
> > he get their support? It wasn't because he could talk -- so could
> > others. It wasn't because he was a good leader -- he lost two humans
> > leaving Ape City and showed a sort of contempt for them through the
> > movie, anyway.
> >
> > I didn't get the point about the gun. Yeah, it was there. Yeah, I
> > suppose it symbolized human violence. (The Apes were very violent so
> > there was no point to be made there.) I find a place where they got
> > to the point about that. There were too many things branching off
> > the story that never went anywhere.
> >
> > For what it's worth.
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> > PS Welcome, Bernie.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., bernie johnson <bernmanufo@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeff, great question! I would have to agree with you and say the
> > lamest part of the new movie was certainy right before the final
> > battle, where Walhberg limply tries to rally the troops. In that
> > scene he had the opportunity to deliver the goods in a Mel Gibson
> > Braveheart like fashion, save the second half of the movie and secure
> > his place as an actor that can bring it on home. It certainly would
> > have better for him to have missed by going way over the top than by
> > coming up so horribly short. I thought Walhberg did an adequate job
> > through the first part of the movie and probably wasn't that bad a
> > choice to play the part of Leo. His subdued style at times had me
> > wishing for a bit more is all.
> > > What was right about the movie you ask? Two words....Tim Roth! His
> > portrayal as General Thade certainly carried the day. So good was his
> > performance its hard to actually pick my favorite. His scenes with
> > Ari were great, when he freaked upon hearing of the humans escape was
> > truly classic, and what a treat it was to watch him interacting with
> > the God- like Heston in a scene that should go down in history. I can
> > only imagine the challenges the ape actors have had in bringing their
> > skills, abilities and emotions through the make up. If Roddy was the
> > true master, its no stretch to meantion Roth in the same breath.
> > Anyone else care to weigh in? Bernard
> > > veetus@e... wrote: Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about
> > the new movie is that most people don't seem to like it but when
> > pressed the answers vary wildly about what they did like. Some hate
> > the Heston scene, others find it the only redeeming quality, etc.
> > Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one
> > thing you hated most. This could be good if people participate. I'll
> > go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the music"
> > or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so
> > it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and
> > she rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements
> > (which some hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and
> > it's played well here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives
> > us our best clue to Thade's character ("You care so much for these
> > humans and nothing for me"). This is the only scene in the movie that
> > I can't find anything to complain about. HATE: The scene where Leo is
> > rallying the humans ("Men have had to fight for what they believe in"
> > or something like that). Talk about cliche, and badly done cliche.
> > Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If the character
> > had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have pulled
> > it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the
> > second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might
> > of had something. Who's next? Etc. - -
> > - Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: bernie johnson To:
> > pota@y... Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PMSubject: Re: [Planet of
> > the Apes] Wow...busy place
> > >
> > > Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly
> > have to be the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons,
> > probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of
> > Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next
> > would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the
> > Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James
> > Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top
> > three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again
> > because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the
> > incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in
> > Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my
> > opinion. Bernard
> > > CheeseGOTAS@a... wrote: Welcome to the group, Bernie. What's
> > your favorite Apes movie?
> > >
> > > -Joe
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------

----- Original Message -----

From: bernie johnson

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] LOVE/HATE

 Jeff, great question! I would have to agree with you and say the lamest part of the new movie was certainy right before the final battle, where Walhberg limply tries to rally the troops. In that scene he had the opportunity to deliver the goods in a Mel Gibson Braveheart like fashion, save the second half of the movie and secure his place as an actor that can bring it on home. It certainly would have better for him to have missed by going way over the top than by coming up so horribly short. I thought Walhberg did an adequate job through the first part of the movie and probably wasn't that bad a choice to play the part of Leo. His subdued style at times had me wishing for a bit more is all.

What was right about the movie you ask? Two words....Tim Roth! His portrayal as General Thade certainly carried the day. So good was his performance its hard to actually pick my favorite. His scenes with Ari were great, when he freaked upon hearing of the humans escape was truly classic, and what a treat it was to watch him interacting with the God- like Heston in a scene that should go down in history. I can only imagine the challenges the ape actors have had in bringing their skills, abilities and emotions through the make up. If Roddy was the true master, its no stretch to meantion Roth in the same breath.  Anyone else care to weigh in? Bernard

  veetus@... wrote:

  Welcome, Bernie. The interesting thing about the new movie is that most people don't seem to like it but when pressed the answers vary wildly about what they did like. Some hate the Heston scene, others find it the only redeeming quality, etc. Here's my topic: name one thing you liked about the new movie and one thing you hated most. This could be good if people participate.

  I'll go first: Let's stick to scenes. People say, "Oh, I like the music" or the makeup or Bonham Carter, but that's not specific enough; so it's scenes. LOVE: My favorite scene is where Thade visits Ari and she rebuffs him. If you can go with the more ape-like movements (which some hated) and think that's the most interesting aspect, and it's played well here. Carter's choices are interesting and it gives us our best clue to Thade's character ("You care so much for these humans and nothing for me"). This is the only scene in the movie that I can't find anything to complain about. HATE: The scene where Leo is rallying the humans ("Men have had to fight for what they believe in" or something like that). Talk about cliche, and badly done cliche. Wahlberg just does not work as the straight hero. If the character had been written like an anti-hero, like heston, he might have pulled it off. Generally, I like the first half of the film and hate the second half. If they could've of built on the first half they might of had something.

  Who's next? Etc.                               - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: bernie johnson

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:23 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wow...busy place

 Thanks for the welcome, my favorite of the bunch would certainly have to be  the original Planet of the Apes for a variety of reasons, probably most notably the incredible over the top performance of Charleston Heston "you cut out his brain you bloody baboon". Next would probably be Conquest, followed by Battle for the Planet of the Apes because I liked Claude Akins portrayal of General Aldo. James Gregory as Ursus was great but not enough to put Beneath into my top three. Escape had a few moments but comes in a distant fifth. Again because I see it bashed alot, I do like to make my case for the incredible jobs that both Tim Roth and Charleton Heston did in Burton's re imagining. As they say on the Iron Chef...thats just my opinion.  Bernard

  CheeseGOTAS@... wrote:

Welcome to the group, Bernie.  What's your favorite Apes movie?

-Joe


Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

---

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Pictures not parodies

In a message dated 5/10/02 6:34:01 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Naw, naw, naw. A "coffee table book" is supposed to be images, not text. I like the books that have the whole cultural spectrum. "Apes" doesn't need a book to convert people. Either they get it or they don't. There's plenty of books to convert people with. Etc. - - - Jeff

In a message dated 5/10/2002 6:57:23 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@...

writes:

Yeah, I have that, too. And of course there's the Simpsons musical on the "In the Key of Springfield" CD. A good "Apes" coffee table book should have some of these lyrics and some CD covers (like Pearl Jam's unused Zauis cover). If only Devo had done an Ursus song. Etc.                                 - - - Jeff

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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:50 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] HATE

And they gave it an "M" rating!

 

They should have gone PG or G, then it might have made more money.

 

Michael

 

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Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2002 22:17
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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] HATE

  

I was finding him very annoying.  At least Binks got a reaction from my kids!
It seems someone thought apes so silly that it should not be taken seriously.

Adults at an Apes movie?  Yeeeaahh, Riiiiiiiiight . . .

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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:00 PM

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what a treat it was to watch him interacting with the God- like Heston in a scene that should go down in history.

Should go down the toilet!  I can't stand that scene.  That was the bathroom break for me.  I'm going to reedit a tape, and that scene along with MCD's "Damned Dirty Human!" line, and all of Paul "Limbo" Giamatti's zingers are going on the proverbial cutting room floor!  When I'm done, that scene will be history as far as I'm concerned.

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Redd Kross?

 

  I found the "Third Eye" audio cassette at a used music store. That's the
only copy I ever found and I wouldn't have known about it except for Eric
Greene's book (bless him). Etc.        - - - Jeff

It's a great album, from a great band.  For those of you who'd like to search
online, it was released in 1990, on Atlantic Records.  If you're not familiar
with Redd Kross it started as a punk formed by two brothers, Jeff and Steve
McDonald, in their early teens, playing shows with bands such as Black Flag. 
When the two wonder kids grew up their label sent them to music and singing
lessons and they gained a more Pop Punk sound and were instrumental in
bringing Japanese Pop Punk Girl Group, Shonen Knife to the states and making
them rock stars here.  One of Shonen Knife's member Michie has left the band
to have a baby, but the sister Naoko and Atsuko, are still going strong and
looking for a new US distribution deal for their new album Strawberry Sound. 
When Mechie left, Atsuko moved up to bass, and they found a new girl to play
drums.  The McDonald brothers have appeared in several films including Gas,
Food & Lodging and the hilarious Spirit of '76 with teen idol David Cassidy. 
If any of you have the old copy of Maximum Rock & Roll with the pic from
Rodney On The Roq's Top 20 Request, you'll see Rodney Biggenheimer of KROQ
with Steve McDonald and Susanna Hoffs of The Bangles and Shonen Knife, one of
whom, Michie, is wearing my band The Caffiends, T-shirt.  For those of you
who aren't familiar with Shonen Knife you can hear their song, Buttercup (I'm
a Super Girl) on the Cartoon Network, as a music video, usually folloing The
Power Puff Girls.

 Thought the make-up and costumes were spectacular.  I liked the way they moved, too.

Limbo didn't do it for me.  Seemed very cliched.  A lot of good actors with wasted talent, actually.  Mark Wahlburg's character was cardboard.  I saw a hint of what he could have been, when he said something to the effect of he had to go back, it was all his fault.  I guess because there was finally SOME hint of emotion from the guy.  Tim Roth gets more irritating every time I see it, because of the breathy growling shit.  Distracting.  I mean I like Thade, but OVER THE TOP does't begin to describe it.  I LIKE over the top in a lot of cases.  Bonham Carter, I don't even want to get to, but I'll say this:  either she should have jumped Leo's ass and had done with, or wiped the drool off and went on.  One way or another.  Funny, I think they're all decent actors, normally.  What does that say?

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From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:14 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate

 Thought the make-up and costumes were spectacular.  I liked the way they moved, too.

Limbo didn't do it for me.  Seemed very cliched.  A lot of good actors with wasted talent, actually.  Mark Wahlburg's character was cardboard.  I saw a hint of what he could have been, when he said something to the effect of he had to go back, it was all his fault.  I guess because there was finally SOME hint of emotion from the guy.  Tim Roth gets more irritating every time I see it, because of the breathy growling shit.  Distracting.  I mean I like Thade, but OVER THE TOP does't begin to describe it.  I LIKE over the top in a lot of cases.  Bonham Carter, I don't even want to get to, but I'll say this:  either she should have jumped Leo's ass and had done with, or wiped the drool off and went on.  One way or another.  Funny, I think they're all decent actors, normally.  What does that say?

Kassidy

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From: Ken and Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate

Even though most of us are unanimous in dubbing POTA2001 mediocre at best, it stills seems like the majority of us forked over hard earned bucks for the DVD ( more than it cost to see at the cinema). Now what does THAT say?

Whatever Fox dished out, they got the results they anticipated. As far as a sequel goes, I'm guessing Fox's focus will be on making the X-Men sequel a bigger event in light of Spidey-mania. Or they might ramp up production on another franchise that would need massive re-hyping, 'Independence Day'. They need the 'blah' taste of POTA '01 to dissipate so they can start a fresh.

Best,

KEN

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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:14 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate

 Thought the make-up and costumes were spectacular.  I liked the way they moved, too.

Limbo didn't do it for me.  Seemed very cliched.  A lot of good actors with wasted talent, actually.  Mark Wahlburg's character was cardboard.  I saw a hint of what he could have been, when he said something to the effect of he had to go back, it was all his fault.  I guess because there was finally SOME hint of emotion from the guy.  Tim Roth gets more irritating every time I see it, because of the breathy growling shit.  Distracting.  I mean I like Thade, but OVER THE TOP does't begin to describe it.  I LIKE over the top in a lot of cases.  Bonham Carter, I don't even want to get to, but I'll say this:  either she should have jumped Leo's ass and had done with, or wiped the drool off and went on.  One way or another.  Funny, I think they're all decent actors, normally.  What does that say?

Kassidy

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> Even though most of us are unanimous in dubbing POTA2001 mediocre at

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From: veetus@...

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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 5:01 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate

  I thought "X-Men" was mediocre, too. A friend of mine who talked to X-Director Brian Singer learned that Fox nickel and dimed it to death and insisted he only shoot what was necessary. Singer only did it in anticipation of having the freedom to do it right in the sequel. Fox's strategy is to take a well known property, put in Ralph Winter as their stick figure and pump out the flick. Both "X-Men" and "Apes" were serviceable at the box-office but they could have done so much better if the filmmakers were given breathing room to make better movies. Both also did well on DVD, showing their followings will put up with a lot. Etc.                                                         - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: Ken and Heather Taylor

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Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate

Even though most of us are unanimous in dubbing POTA2001 mediocre at best, it stills seems like the majority of us forked over hard earned bucks for the DVD ( more than it cost to see at the cinema). Now what does THAT say?

Whatever Fox dished out, they got the results they anticipated. As far as a sequel goes, I'm guessing Fox's focus will be on making the X-Men sequel a bigger event in light of Spidey-mania. Or they might ramp up production on another franchise that would need massive re-hyping, 'Independence Day'. They need the 'blah' taste of POTA '01 to dissipate so they can start a fresh.

Best,

KEN

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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:14 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate

 Thought the make-up and costumes were spectacular.  I liked the way they moved, too.

Limbo didn't do it for me.  Seemed very cliched.  A lot of good actors with wasted talent, actually.  Mark Wahlburg's character was cardboard.  I saw a hint of what he could have been, when he said something to the effect of he had to go back, it was all his fault.  I guess because there was finally SOME hint of emotion from the guy.  Tim Roth gets more irritating every time I see it, because of the breathy growling shit.  Distracting.  I mean I like Thade, but OVER THE TOP does't begin to describe it.  I LIKE over the top in a lot of cases.  Bonham Carter, I don't even want to get to, but I'll say this:  either she should have jumped Leo's ass and had done with, or wiped the drool off and went on.  One way or another.  Funny, I think they're all decent actors, normally.  What does that say?

Kassidy

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate


> --- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> > Even though most of us are unanimous in dubbing POTA2001 mediocre at
> best, it stills seems like the majority of us forked over hard earned
> bucks for the DVD ( more than it cost to see at the cinema). Now what
> does THAT say?
>
> An interesting observation Ken, I bought the double disc DVD because I
> still find the MAKING of the film fascinating, far more interesting
> than the movie itself. All those extra features - Make up development,
> Ape movement etc, made it a worthwhile buy for me. I've watched parts
> of disc 2 several times, but the actual movie? I can't get beyond the
> 'branding' scene without nodding off!
>
> How's your new(ish) job by the way
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:45 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate

A friend of mine who talked to X-Director Brian Singer learned that Fox nickel and dimed it to death and insisted he only shoot what was necessary.

This is not uncommon.  Hollywood Narrative Standard films usually have a 5:1 shooting ratio.  This means for every minute of script five minutes gets shot.  With not only the retakes from other angles, but entire scenes ending up on the floor either because they just didn't work or they weren't necessary to tell the story, only to surface later in behind the scenes specials and DVDs.  The studio can save a fortune by insisting they only shot what is necessary.  Not only do they save on the overtime and film stock it takes for the extra coverage.  But if they cut a scene they save on cast, crew, scenery, props, lights, location fees, insurance etc . . . You name it.  And gain days on the shooting schedule.

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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Love vs. hate


> I still find the MAKING of the film fascinating, far more interesting than
> the movie itself.
>
> Don't forget POTA is on Backstory on AMC tonight at 10:15 Eastern / 9:15
> Central.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: <LordTZer0@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:44 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] ApesMC Backstabby


>
> Did you hear that guy saying that the audience loved all the catch phrases
> from the first film being in the new movie!?! Like little Easter eggs for
> them . . . My Ass!
>
> DANG YA! DING DANG Y'ALL TA HECK!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 7:44 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] ApesMC Backstabby


>
> Did you hear that guy saying that the audience loved all the catch phrases
> from the first film being in the new movie!?! Like little Easter eggs for
> them . . . My Ass!
>
> DANG YA! DING DANG Y'ALL TA HECK!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:42 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] New Contest

Who is this?

Where did I get this from?

 

http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/AcidJazz.jpg

 

Michael

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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <veetus@...>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?


> Bring on Ridley Scott.
>
> Giger can design the costumes.
>
> First shot, Wahlberg is anally raped and killed (not necessarily in
> that order) where he landed and then into a "Monkey Planet"
> adaptation.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > www.planetoftheapesonline.com says Zanuck told a reliable source
> that Fox
> > is moving on a sequel. These are the guys that do Linda harrison's
> website
> > , so:maybe. Their post is May 5 which was after that interview
> where Zanuck
> > said Fox wasn't interested. Their post says Burton doesn't want to
> do it b
> > ut Zanuck says Fox will move ahead anyway. Sounds believable to me;
> it's no
> > t too much trouble to brainstorm and hire writers; Zanuck sure
> seems to wan
> > t it to happen. The fact that Burton and Zanuck are working on "Big
> Fish" t
> > ogether suggests Burton isn't totally out yet (for the "Batman"
> sequel he k
> > ept saying he didn't want to do it and Warners eventually wooed him
> with a
> > script that interested him). I'm still kinda torn whether I'd want
> Burton b
> > ack. I enjoyed his visuals and stuff. Would he be able to pull it
> off with
> > a good script and a decent schedule? Or is he incapable of doing a
> good sci
> > ence fiction film in any case (which is what I think it needs to be
> first a
> > nd foremost, good science fiction). It'll be interesting to see
> what develo
> > ps. A sequel or a new take. Etc. - - Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2002 16:07
> To: whitty@...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
> Probably no one we'd think of. Some young up and comer. Like Jonathan
> Mostow is doing "Terminator 3" and he's never done sci-fi before.
> They must
> have a reason why they put him in charge of that high pressure situation.
> James Cameron is so tight with Fox I'd like to think he'd steer
> them in the
> right direction. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <veetus@...>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
> > So who IS a good sci-fi director these days?
> >
> > Maybe one of the Star Trek crew?
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > > www.planetoftheapesonline.com says Zanuck told a reliable source
> > that Fox
> > > is moving on a sequel. These are the guys that do Linda harrison's
> > website
> > > , so:maybe. Their post is May 5 which was after that interview
> > where Zanuck
> > > said Fox wasn't interested. Their post says Burton doesn't want to
> > do it b
> > > ut Zanuck says Fox will move ahead anyway. Sounds believable to me;
> > it's no
> > > t too much trouble to brainstorm and hire writers; Zanuck sure
> > seems to wan
> > > t it to happen. The fact that Burton and Zanuck are working on "Big
> > Fish" t
> > > ogether suggests Burton isn't totally out yet (for the "Batman"
> > sequel he k
> > > ept saying he didn't want to do it and Warners eventually wooed him
> > with a
> > > script that interested him). I'm still kinda torn whether I'd want
> > Burton b
> > > ack. I enjoyed his visuals and stuff. Would he be able to pull it
> > off with
> > > a good script and a decent schedule? Or is he incapable of doing a
> > good sci
> > > ence fiction film in any case (which is what I think it needs to be
> > first a
> > > nd foremost, good science fiction). It'll be interesting to see
> > what develo
> > > ps. A sequel or a new take. Etc. - - Jeff

I think Sam Raimi should direct. He did a great job on Spiderman.

Pentaclese

  Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Anyone else got ideas on directors?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2002 16:07
> To: whitty@...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
>   Probably no one we'd think of. Some young up and comer. Like Jonathan
> Mostow is doing "Terminator 3" and he's never done sci-fi before.
> They must
> have a reason why they put him in charge of that high pressure situation.
> James Cameron is so tight with Fox I'd like to think he'd steer
> them in the
> right direction. Etc.           - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <veetus@...>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
> > So who IS a good sci-fi director these days?
> >
> > Maybe one of the Star Trek crew?
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > >   www.planetoftheapesonline.com says Zanuck told a reliable source
> > that Fox
> > >  is moving on a sequel. These are the guys that do Linda harrison's
> > website
> > > , so:maybe. Their post is May 5 which was after that interview
> > where Zanuck
> > >  said Fox wasn't interested. Their post says Burton doesn't want to
> > do it b
> > > ut Zanuck says Fox will move ahead anyway. Sounds believable to me;
> > it's no
> > > t too much trouble to brainstorm and hire writers; Zanuck sure
> > seems to wan
> > > t it to happen. The fact that Burton and Zanuck are working on "Big
> > Fish" t
> > > ogether suggests Burton isn't totally out yet (for the "Batman"
> > sequel he k
> > > ept saying he didn't want to do it and Warners eventually wooed him
> > with a
> > > script that interested him). I'm still kinda torn whether I'd want
> > Burton b
> > > ack. I enjoyed his visuals and stuff. Would he be able to pull it
> > off with
> > > a good script and a decent schedule? Or is he incapable of doing a
> > good sci
> > > ence fiction film in any case (which is what I think it needs to be
> > first a
> > > nd foremost, good science fiction). It'll be interesting to see
> > what develo
> > > ps. A sequel or a new take. Etc. - - Jeff

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From: thypentacle

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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?

I think Sam Raimi should direct. He did a great job on Spiderman.

Pentaclese

  Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Anyone else got ideas on directors?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2002 16:07
> To: whitty@...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
>   Probably no one we'd think of. Some young up and comer. Like Jonathan
> Mostow is doing "Terminator 3" and he's never done sci-fi before.
> They must
> have a reason why they put him in charge of that high pressure situation.
> James Cameron is so tight with Fox I'd like to think he'd steer
> them in the
> right direction. Etc.           - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <veetus@...>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
> > So who IS a good sci-fi director these days?
> >
> > Maybe one of the Star Trek crew?
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > >   www.planetoftheapesonline.com says Zanuck told a reliable source
> > that Fox
> > >  is moving on a sequel. These are the guys that do Linda harrison's
> > website
> > > , so:maybe. Their post is May 5 which was after that interview
> > where Zanuck
> > >  said Fox wasn't interested. Their post says Burton doesn't want to
> > do it b
> > > ut Zanuck says Fox will move ahead anyway. Sounds believable to me;
> > it's no
> > > t too much trouble to brainstorm and hire writers; Zanuck sure
> > seems to wan
> > > t it to happen. The fact that Burton and Zanuck are working on "Big
> > Fish" t
> > > ogether suggests Burton isn't totally out yet (for the "Batman"
> > sequel he k
> > > ept saying he didn't want to do it and Warners eventually wooed him
> > with a
> > > script that interested him). I'm still kinda torn whether I'd want
> > Burton b
> > > ack. I enjoyed his visuals and stuff. Would he be able to pull it
> > off with
> > > a good script and a decent schedule? Or is he incapable of doing a
> > good sci
> > > ence fiction film in any case (which is what I think it needs to be
> > first a
> > > nd foremost, good science fiction). It'll be interesting to see
> > what develo
> > > ps. A sequel or a new take. Etc. - - Jeff

---

----- Original Message -----

From: thypentacle

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?

I think Sam Raimi should direct. He did a great job on Spiderman.

Pentaclese

  Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Anyone else got ideas on directors?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 May 2002 16:07
> To: whitty@...
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
>   Probably no one we'd think of. Some young up and comer. Like Jonathan
> Mostow is doing "Terminator 3" and he's never done sci-fi before.
> They must
> have a reason why they put him in charge of that high pressure situation.
> James Cameron is so tight with Fox I'd like to think he'd steer
> them in the
> right direction. Etc.           - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <veetus@...>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Apes", part deux?
>
>
> > So who IS a good sci-fi director these days?
> >
> > Maybe one of the Star Trek crew?
> >
> > --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > >   www.planetoftheapesonline.com says Zanuck told a reliable source
> > that Fox
> > >  is moving on a sequel. These are the guys that do Linda harrison's
> > website
> > > , so:maybe. Their post is May 5 which was after that interview
> > where Zanuck
> > >  said Fox wasn't interested. Their post says Burton doesn't want to
> > do it b
> > > ut Zanuck says Fox will move ahead anyway. Sounds believable to me;
> > it's no
> > > t too much trouble to brainstorm and hire writers; Zanuck sure
> > seems to wan
> > > t it to happen. The fact that Burton and Zanuck are working on "Big
> > Fish" t
> > > ogether suggests Burton isn't totally out yet (for the "Batman"
> > sequel he k
> > > ept saying he didn't want to do it and Warners eventually wooed him
> > with a
> > > script that interested him). I'm still kinda torn whether I'd want
> > Burton b
> > > ack. I enjoyed his visuals and stuff. Would he be able to pull it
> > off with
> > > a good script and a decent schedule? Or is he incapable of doing a
> > good sci
> > > ence fiction film in any case (which is what I think it needs to be
> > first a
> > > nd foremost, good science fiction). It'll be interesting to see
> > what develo
> > > ps. A sequel or a new take. Etc. - - Jeff

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Do the Deux!

They noted the "mixed reviews" but otherwise kept it upbeat. Thank you AMC. Etc.

Hey Jeff,
My tape chopped the ending was that all they said?

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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DIAMOND makes the announcement


> Hey Gang!
>
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>
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> BY E-MAIL: sandrew@...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Thursday, 16 May 2002 23:08
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox no "Angel" (OT)
>
>
> D'oh! Even James Cameron, the jewel in Fox's crown, isn't safe. They've
> cancelled his TV show "Dark Angel". The only thing he's done
> since "Titanic"
> that's come to light (created it, oversaw it, wrote the first ep, directed
> the last ep), that's no way to treat a lady, no way to treat your
> baby. Can
> we expect any mercy when it comes to POTA?
> - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:53 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DIAMOND makes the announcement
>
>
> > Hey Gang!
> >
> > Here's the news hot off the press:
> >
> > *****IMPORTED CLASSIC PLANET OF THE APES ACTION FIGURES HIT THE U.S.
> MARKET!
> > Diamond Select Toys, in cooperation with Twentieth Century Fox Licensing
> and
> > Merchandising (Fox L&M) and the popular toy manufacturer
> Medicom of Japan,
> > is giving fans of the original Planet of the Apes a chance to
> revisit the
> > nostalgically popular dystopian future with this first wave of four
> Classic
> > Planet of the Apes Japanese Action Figures, available through Diamond
> Comic
> > Distributors!
> >
> <http://www.diamondcomics.com/Press_release/press_rls_diamd05_02.h

>
>
> For more information on any of these exciting developments, please click

> the links provided, or call today!
>
> CONTACT:
> Andrew Smith, Marketing Communications Supervisor
> BY PHONE: (410) 560-7100
> BY E-MAIL: sandrew@...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Friday, 17 May 2002 5:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox no "Angel" (OT)
>
>
>
> I actually watched that show! Not only did it have make-up, and
> Transgenic
> Fu, but it had that hot little minky Jessica Alba! Best show
> they've done in
> a long time! But I'm sure it was expensive to make. No more
> Dark Angel? No
> more X-Files? Now why should I watch Fox again? Oh yeah, The
> Simpsons . . .
> I heard they are going to cancel that in the not too distant
> future. Just
> think how great their bottom line will look when they don't have
> to pay for
> all these expensive shows! Cha-ching! The stupid assholes.
>
> D'oh! Even James Cameron, the jewel in Fox's crown, isn't safe. They've
> cancelled his TV show "Dark Angel". The only thing he's done
> since "Titanic"
> that's come to light (created it, oversaw it, wrote the first ep, directed
> the last ep), that's no way to treat a lady, no way to treat your
> baby. Can
> we expect any mercy when it comes to POTA?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <apeman@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] DIAMOND makes the announcement


> Hey Gang!
>
> Here's the news hot off the press:
>
> *****IMPORTED CLASSIC PLANET OF THE APES ACTION FIGURES HIT THE U.S.
MARKET!
> Diamond Select Toys, in cooperation with Twentieth Century Fox Licensing
and
> Merchandising (Fox L&M) and the popular toy manufacturer Medicom of Japan,
> is giving fans of the original Planet of the Apes a chance to revisit the
> nostalgically popular dystopian future with this first wave of four
Classic
> Planet of the Apes Japanese Action Figures, available through Diamond
Comic
> Distributors!
>
<http://www.diamondcomics.com/Press_release/press_rls_diamd05_02.htmlplanet
>
>
> For more information on any of these exciting developments, please click
on
> the links provided, or call today!
>
> CONTACT:
> Andrew Smith, Marketing Communications Supervisor
> BY PHONE: (410) 560-7100
> BY E-MAIL: sandrew@...
>
> DIAMOND COMIC DISTRIBUTORS
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>From: Brian <apeman@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
>Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Calima 5021" <calima5021com@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms


> Great news!
> Thanks,Brian.
>
> As for Star Wars Episode 2, finaly saw it, AND IT SUCKS!
> After watching EP2, Jar Jar, seems to be the new star of Episode 1.
> God knows, at least EP1 was better than this crap. :o)
>
> What a boring ass movie. And the CGI overdose made it even worst.
>
> Spidey and Apes rule. :o)
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: Brian <apeman@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Calima 5021 [calima5021com@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 19 May 2002 6:45
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
>
>
> Great news!
> Thanks,Brian.
>
> As for Star Wars Episode 2, finaly saw it, AND IT SUCKS!
> After watching EP2, Jar Jar, seems to be the new star of Episode 1.
> God knows, at least EP1 was better than this crap. :o)
>
> What a boring ass movie. And the CGI overdose made it even worst.
>
> Spidey and Apes rule. :o)
>
> Best.
> Al
>
>
>
> >From: Brian <apeman@...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicoms
> >Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:26:38 -0700
> >
>
>
>
>
> _____