----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

While it's probably futile to write and request a "5 Star" version of Planet, and the director's cut of Conquest, I am going to anyway, just so they know these are in demand titles, at least by some in this group.

I had, but lost, the address from when we were all writing in to request the tv series on dvd. Can anyone in here provide and address to send letters to @ Fox?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: betabo4 [betabo4@...]
> Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 12:13
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] San diego Comic-Con
>
>
> Hi, anyone that collects pota comcis and going to the san diego
> comic con? I am hoping to get some of the older apes stuff while i
> am there. Hooe to meet up with some of you there! Thanks, Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 16:06
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> Natalie Trundy told me that was her, though it could've been another
> character. what does the script say? Etc. - - -
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it means
> > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but it could
> > be a cue).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
> > >
> > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . . yes.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:03 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

Did anyone respond to this other than me?

 

Are you guys afraid of girls or something?

 

I am serious when I say the ladies in this group seem to be responded to far less frequently than the males.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Kassidy Rae [mailto:valwp@...]
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 7:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] picture?

anybody know which movie (or from the tv series, maybe) this came from?

Kassidy

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:03 AM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

Did anyone respond to this other than me?

 

Are you guys afraid of girls or something?

 

I am serious when I say the ladies in this group seem to be responded to far less frequently than the males.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Kassidy Rae [valwp@...]
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 7:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] picture?

anybody know which movie (or from the tv series, maybe) this came from?

Kassidy

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....


> OK then
>
> Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
>
> If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: whitty@... [whitty@...]
> > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 9:44
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it means
> > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but it could
> > be a cue).
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > >
> > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
> > >
> > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . . yes.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
> >
>
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>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> ANYONE?
>
> Did "Lisa" appear anywhere else in the film?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 16:06
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > Natalie Trundy told me that was her, though it could've been
another
> > character. what does the script say?
Etc. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <whitty@c...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it
means
> > > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but
it could
> > > be a cue).
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . .
yes.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@z...> wrote:
> Or maybe you're reading too much into it..Oliver Stone. Maybe
nobody responded because they didn't have the answer?
> Ken.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:03 AM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?
>
>
> Did anyone respond to this other than me?
>
> Are you guys afraid of girls or something?
>
> I am serious when I say the ladies in this group seem to be
responded to far less frequently than the males.
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kassidy Rae [valwp@y...]
> Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 7:29
> To: pota@y...
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] picture?
>
>
> anybody know which movie (or from the tv series, maybe) this
came from?
>
> Kassidy
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:08
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> OK then
> Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
> If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
>
> Whadda ya? NUTS!
>
> Of course! Natalie Trundy played Lisa in both films.
> And you call yourself a POTA fan?
> This must be some kinda joke!
>
>
>
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>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

While it's probably futile to write and request a "5 Star" version of Planet, and the director's cut of Conquest, I am going to anyway, just so they know these are in demand titles, at least by some in this group.

I had, but lost, the address from when we were all writing in to request the tv series on dvd. Can anyone in here provide and address to send letters to @ Fox?

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

  As far as I know the 5-star is on the way, and apparently AMC is having a big POTA weekend in 2003 (the 40th anniversary of Boulle's novel and the 35th of the original; I'm just going to consider it POTA's 40th anniversary). With the Medicoms coming out and all, it's almost like Fox is giving restitution to fans of the original.

  There's also a neat "Ape" issue of "Amazing Model Builder" magazine that just came out, with Caesar on the cover and articles about Apemania's busts, a Dark Horse Thade statue, a "gorilla gallery" and a orangutan emperor (a cross between Senator Nado in Burton's flick and King Louie from "Jungle book"). "Apes" is still alive and kicking. Etc.         - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

While it's probably futile to write and request a "5 Star" version of Planet, and the director's cut of Conquest, I am going to anyway, just so they know these are in demand titles, at least by some in this group.

I had, but lost, the address from when we were all writing in to request the tv series on dvd. Can anyone in here provide and address to send letters to @ Fox?

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken and Heather Taylor [ktaylor@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:18
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

Or maybe you're reading too much into it..Oliver Stone. Maybe nobody responded because they didn't have the answer?

Ken.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 9:03 AM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

Did anyone respond to this other than me?

 

Are you guys afraid of girls or something?

 

I am serious when I say the ladies in this group seem to be responded to far less frequently than the males.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Kassidy Rae [valwp@...]
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 7:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] picture?

anybody know which movie (or from the tv series, maybe) this came from?

Kassidy

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:24
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> What? Yes, Lisa was in "Conquest", played by Natalie Trundy. She's even
> called Lisa by her master getting her hair done. Mystery solved?
> Etc. - - -
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> > OK then
> >
> > Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
> >
> > If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: whitty@... [whitty@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 9:44
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it means
> > > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but it could
> > > be a cue).
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . . yes.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:27
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> Yes. She's first seen in the Bookstore and then in the Beauty Parlor
> fetching a book for Mrs. Reilly. Later she's one of the Apes in the
> Command Post. At the end she's the Ape that says 'no'.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > ANYONE?
> >
> > Did "Lisa" appear anywhere else in the film?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 16:06
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > Natalie Trundy told me that was her, though it could've been
> another
> > > character. what does the script say?
> Etc. - - -
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@c...>
> > > To: <pota@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it
> means
> > > > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but
> it could
> > > > be a cue).
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . .
> yes.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james611102 [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:27
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> Yes. She's first seen in the Bookstore and then in the Beauty Parlor
> fetching a book for Mrs. Reilly. Later she's one of the Apes in the
> Command Post. At the end she's the Ape that says 'no'.
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > ANYONE?
> >
> > Did "Lisa" appear anywhere else in the film?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 16:06
> > > To: pota@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > Natalie Trundy told me that was her, though it could've been
> another
> > > character. what does the script say?
> Etc. - - -
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <whitty@c...>
> > > To: <pota@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:43 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it
> means
> > > > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but
> it could
> > > > be a cue).
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . .
> yes.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Thanks for not making me feel like I'm not a fan in your response
there
> James.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james611102 [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:27
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > Yes. She's first seen in the Bookstore and then in the Beauty
Parlor
> > fetching a book for Mrs. Reilly. Later she's one of the Apes in
the
> > Command Post. At the end she's the Ape that says 'no'.
> >
> > --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > ANYONE?
> > >
> > > Did "Lisa" appear anywhere else in the film?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 16:06
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Natalie Trundy told me that was her, though it could've
been
> > another
> > > > character. what does the script say?
> > Etc. - - -
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <whitty@c...>
> > > > To: <pota@y...>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:43 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that
it
> > means
> > > > > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else,
but
> > it could
> > > > > be a cue).
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > > --- LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that
Lisa?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources
say . . .
> > yes.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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> > >
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> >
> >
> >

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:24
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> What? Yes, Lisa was in "Conquest", played by Natalie Trundy. She's even
> called Lisa by her master getting her hair done. Mystery solved?
> Etc. - - -
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:03 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> > OK then
> >
> > Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
> >
> > If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: whitty@... [whitty@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 9:44
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it means
> > > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but it could
> > > be a cue).
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . . yes.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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> >

>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:20
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

   Gross! Maybe you want to spend your time with girls, Mr. Whitty, but leave us out! Right, guys? I for one don't need cooties! You don't see the apes hanging around with girls, do you? Etc.        - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:03 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

Did anyone respond to this other than me?

 

Are you guys afraid of girls or something?

 

I am serious when I say the ladies in this group seem to be responded to far less frequently than the males.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Kassidy Rae [mailto:valwp@...]
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 7:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] picture?

anybody know which movie (or from the tv series, maybe) this came from?

Kassidy

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 Hey well if you have to have contact with us to get cooties, probably most of you have nothing to worry about (ouch, now that was just MEAN).  I can't speak for the other women here, but I think Michael has a point in that I don't feel you guys respond overmuch to my queries.  Why?  Maybe because I don't post here much... maybe you think the questions suck.  I think I posted something about collectibles once and there was no reply, and then something about my tv series website... but it's not breaking my heart or anything.  I enjoy reading the posts here, for the most part, not too fond of the fighting (I think some of you should be put in a corner or perhaps just have your asses spanked, but lets not go any further with that one).

  I think this group can be way too SERIOUS about the issues raised here.  I mean, basically the writers screwed up and didn't do the research or take the time to make it right.  That's what all the flubs are about to me, and how you choose to resolve them or not is fine by me.  Or even if you don't BOTHER to resolve them is fine.  HERESY!!!! I know, but I remember the movies from when I was a kid, I took them at face value, and I'd like to keep some of the joy of that intact.  And I think I have. 

Anyway this feels like a boys club for the most part.  But I still am interested in what goes on here.

--- In pota@y..., Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey well if you have to have contact with us to get cooties,
probably most of you have nothing to worry about (ouch, now that was
just MEAN). I can't speak for the other women here, but I think
Michael has a point in that I don't feel you guys respond overmuch
to my queries. Why? Maybe because I don't post here much... maybe
you think the questions suck. I think I posted something about
collectibles once and there was no reply, and then something about
my tv series website... but it's not breaking my heart or anything.
I enjoy reading the posts here, for the most part, not too fond of
the fighting (I think some of you should be put in a corner or
perhaps just have your asses spanked, but lets not go any further
with that one).
> I think this group can be way too SERIOUS about the issues
raised here. I mean, basically the writers screwed up and didn't do
the research or take the time to make it right. That's what all the
flubs are about to me, and how you choose to resolve them or not is
fine by me. Or even if you don't BOTHER to resolve them is fine.
HERESY!!!! I know, but I remember the movies from when I was a kid,
I took them at face value, and I'd like to keep some of the joy of
that intact. And I think I have.
> Anyway this feels like a boys club for the most part. But I still
am interested in what goes on here.
> Kassidy
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------

> Hope you're not offended that I haven't answered any of your posts
> in the past. But I only respond when I have something to say or to
> answer a question put directly to me.
>

--- In pota@y..., "valwp" <valwp@y...> wrote:
> As one flaming liberal to another, no I am not offended ;)
> Kass

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....


> Well yes, that one is, but I still want to know if that was her being
> initiated by Caesar, and I'd appreciate any ideas on how I would genuinely
> prove it either way.
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> Given that Natalie Trundy played Lisa in the movie, if she says that was
her
> in the mating room with Caesar, that should be enough (unless she was
> SUPPOSED to be playing a DIFFERENT character then , which is getting a bit
> Patrick - look, I've invented a word!).
>
> If in the closing titles there is another actress attributed to "Caesar's
> Slut", then we could say it was not Lisa.
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> Any other ideas or contributions?
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> I had ALWAYS assumed it WAS Lisa, but I cannot JUSTIFY that claim.
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> Michael
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:24
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
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> > What? Yes, Lisa was in "Conquest", played by Natalie Trundy. She's
even
> > called Lisa by her master getting her hair done. Mystery solved?
> > Etc. - - -
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:03 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
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> > > OK then
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> > > Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
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> > > If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: whitty@... [whitty@...]
> > > > Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 9:44
> > > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
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> > > > Was the female actually played by Natalie Trundy (not that it means
> > > > it couldn't have still been Lisa played by someone else, but it
could
> > > > be a cue).
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
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> > > > > > The chimp Caesar mated with in Conquest....was that Lisa?
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> > > > > Yeah, I didn't think it was either, though sources say . . . yes.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....


> Just poor memory T.
>
> I am really challenged to get through anything but the original these
days,
> so I often put the question to the group rather than endeavour the pains
of
> a re-watch.
>
> Am I a fan? Well, less every day I think.
>
> I have explained this before, but I'll say it again. POTA was my first
> obsession, one that I grew out of (I mean, there is more to life, right?)
> and then when I turned 30 it reignited a spark. I rewatched the movies,
> finding them a LOT less watchable, and discovered there were some really
> consistent inconsistencies (when I enjoyed these movies as a kid, I was
> NEVER analytical - I was just so damned happy to see them).
>
> I don't know if it was a mid-life crisis or what, but I spent around $15
> 000US on building a collection (I could probably sell it now for about $3
> 000 - thanks to POTA 2001). And I am not so easily entertained these
days.
> Yes I still buy the crap they churn out, but I want more.
>
> But if I have any say in it, the quality of merchandise bearing the POTA
> logo will improve. I will do what I can to help this happen (probably
> nothing really), but I can no longer support the crap that gets a POTA
logo
> slapped on it. And there sure is a lot of this around. And if it does
not
> stop soon, I'm selling up and moving on. If that happens, POTA is doomed,
> because I am such a fan that I tried to like POTA 2001, and there ain't
many
> as foolish as I.
>
> Michael
>
> PS By the way T, I often know the answer to my posts, but put up a topic
> because it is taken for granted and attracts comments. Just because I ask
a
> question, this does not mean I do not know the answer. And I must say I
> think people in this group should feel free to ask whatever question they
> like without fear of an insulting response like the one you just gave. I
> expected more of you.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:08
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > OK then
> > Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
> > If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
> >
> > Whadda ya? NUTS!
> >
> > Of course! Natalie Trundy played Lisa in both films.
> > And you call yourself a POTA fan?
> > This must be some kinda joke!
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:33 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] US Medicoms

Are the US Medicoms in the same packaging?  Are they in any way different to the Japanese ones?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:15
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

  As far as I know the 5-star is on the way, and apparently AMC is having a big POTA weekend in 2003 (the 40th anniversary of Boulle's novel and the 35th of the original; I'm just going to consider it POTA's 40th anniversary). With the Medicoms coming out and all, it's almost like Fox is giving restitution to fans of the original.

  There's also a neat "Ape" issue of "Amazing Model Builder" magazine that just came out, with Caesar on the cover and articles about Apemania's busts, a Dark Horse Thade statue, a "gorilla gallery" and a orangutan emperor (a cross between Senator Nado in Burton's flick and King Louie from "Jungle book"). "Apes" is still alive and kicking. Etc.         - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:32 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

While it's probably futile to write and request a "5 Star" version of Planet, and the director's cut of Conquest, I am going to anyway, just so they know these are in demand titles, at least by some in this group.

I had, but lost, the address from when we were all writing in to request the tv series on dvd. Can anyone in here provide and address to send letters to @ Fox?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:54 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Cooties (OT)

Actually, I hate cooties too.

 

But that only comes from person to person contact....didn't anyone explain that to you Jeff?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:20
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

   Gross! Maybe you want to spend your time with girls, Mr. Whitty, but leave us out! Right, guys? I for one don't need cooties! You don't see the apes hanging around with girls, do you? Etc.        - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:03 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

Did anyone respond to this other than me?

 

Are you guys afraid of girls or something?

 

I am serious when I say the ladies in this group seem to be responded to far less frequently than the males.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Kassidy Rae [mailto:valwp@...]
Sent: Friday, 5 July 2002 7:29
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] picture?

anybody know which movie (or from the tv series, maybe) this came from?

Kassidy

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 7:05 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Cooties and not talking to the ladies

 Hey well if you have to have contact with us to get cooties, probably most of you have nothing to worry about (ouch, now that was just MEAN).  I can't speak for the other women here, but I think Michael has a point in that I don't feel you guys respond overmuch to my queries.  Why?  Maybe because I don't post here much... maybe you think the questions suck.  I think I posted something about collectibles once and there was no reply, and then something about my tv series website... but it's not breaking my heart or anything.  I enjoy reading the posts here, for the most part, not too fond of the fighting (I think some of you should be put in a corner or perhaps just have your asses spanked, but lets not go any further with that one).

  I think this group can be way too SERIOUS about the issues raised here.  I mean, basically the writers screwed up and didn't do the research or take the time to make it right.  That's what all the flubs are about to me, and how you choose to resolve them or not is fine by me.  Or even if you don't BOTHER to resolve them is fine.  HERESY!!!! I know, but I remember the movies from when I was a kid, I took them at face value, and I'd like to keep some of the joy of that intact.  And I think I have. 

Anyway this feels like a boys club for the most part.  But I still am interested in what goes on here.

Kassidy

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----- Original Message -----
From: <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 7:36 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Listen Here Mate...


> OK Here's a comparison of Lisa from the bookstore scene and the chimpette
from the Ape Management scene. Decide if they are the same or not.
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 7:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

In a message dated 7/6/2002 6:06:22 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Did anyone respond to this other than me?

I myself didn't respond, only because when I looked at the picture, I had no idea of where it came from. My guess would be perhaps "Battle," because of the gorilla's hairstyles. But then again, they had those 'do's in the tv series too, so it's hard to judge.

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

In a message dated 7/6/2002 6:11:53 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 As far as I know the 5-star is on the way, and apparently AMC is having a big POTA weekend in 2003 (the 40th anniversary of Boulle's novel and the 35th of the original; I'm just going to consider it POTA's 40th anniversary). With the Medicoms coming out and all, it's almost like Fox is giving restitution to fans of the original.
 There's also a neat "Ape" issue of "Amazing Model Builder" magazine that just came out, with Caesar on the cover and articles about Apemania's busts, a Dark Horse Thade statue, a "gorilla gallery" and a orangutan emperor (a cross between Senator Nado in Burton's flick and King Louie from "Jungle book"). "Apes" is still alive and kicking. Etc.         - - - Jeff

THANK YOU for the tips. It's about time "PLANET" gets some of the real credit it deserves. It shouldn't be treated as the "red headed stepchild" of Fox studios anymore. It DESERVES to be shining over SW and ST... While that may never happen (getting put up on the same level as those two,) it sure as hell SHOULD BE!

As for the Medicoms... I'm glad they will be released. My question to you (or whoever can answer it) is when will these be released again? Is it in Sept.? I guess I got confused when you started mentioning the waves they'll be released in. Don't get me wrong, I was glad to hear it, but I got thrown off as to how soon each wave will follow the initial batch. I know it's a lot to ask, but could you possibly resend (to the group) the listing of figures for each batch, as well as approximate release dates for them... Thank you.

As far as the model building mag... COOL! I'll be hitting the bookshop a.s.a.p to check that one out. "Hopefully" they'll have it. (If not, is there anyone in the group willing to pick a copy up for me?)

And, I did find the address that we wrote to last summer about the tv series requests. I'll be sending a letter to this one as well... It is:

20th Century Fox
P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, CA
                90213

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

Maybe they just used Trundy made up as a cost cutting measure and she was meant to be a different female at the time of the Ape Management bredding scenes.

There's no way of knowing.  In the book it's not Lisa, but she may have just happend to be in the center for breeding on that particular day.  It sure looks like her, but since she doesn't look that way anywhere else in the film, who knows if she's supposed to be herself or not.  Though until I knew better I though it was someone else, I'm a sentimental guy. I'm willing to belive that fate conspired to somehow bring them together. 
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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

   The Medicoms start in Sept. with Cornelius, Ursus, Lucius and Soldier Ape A. In Oct. it's Zira, Zauis, Urko and the TV Soldier. 4 figures every month and they're doing them all, except the rare ones (Soldier Ape B, etc.) Which is cool, those with rare ones, like my brown Cornelius, still have something. They are around $12.99 each. The question is what stores will carry them. Probably comic shops, hobby stores, maybe Tower and Suncoast.

 Yeah, look at model shops, maybe book stores for the mag. If you can't find it, I'll pick you up one. I got it at Tower. Etc.                                           - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 8:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Fox's Address

In a message dated 7/6/2002 6:11:53 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 As far as I know the 5-star is on the way, and apparently AMC is having a big POTA weekend in 2003 (the 40th anniversary of Boulle's novel and the 35th of the original; I'm just going to consider it POTA's 40th anniversary). With the Medicoms coming out and all, it's almost like Fox is giving restitution to fans of the original.
 There's also a neat "Ape" issue of "Amazing Model Builder" magazine that just came out, with Caesar on the cover and articles about Apemania's busts, a Dark Horse Thade statue, a "gorilla gallery" and a orangutan emperor (a cross between Senator Nado in Burton's flick and King Louie from "Jungle book"). "Apes" is still alive and kicking. Etc.         - - - Jeff

THANK YOU for the tips. It's about time "PLANET" gets some of the real credit it deserves. It shouldn't be treated as the "red headed stepchild" of Fox studios anymore. It DESERVES to be shining over SW and ST... While that may never happen (getting put up on the same level as those two,) it sure as hell SHOULD BE!

As for the Medicoms... I'm glad they will be released. My question to you (or whoever can answer it) is when will these be released again? Is it in Sept.? I guess I got confused when you started mentioning the waves they'll be released in. Don't get me wrong, I was glad to hear it, but I got thrown off as to how soon each wave will follow the initial batch. I know it's a lot to ask, but could you possibly resend (to the group) the listing of figures for each batch, as well as approximate release dates for them... Thank you.

As far as the model building mag... COOL! I'll be hitting the bookshop a.s.a.p to check that one out. "Hopefully" they'll have it. (If not, is there anyone in the group willing to pick a copy up for me?)

And, I did find the address that we wrote to last summer about the tv series requests. I'll be sending a letter to this one as well... It is:

20th Century Fox
P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, CA
                90213

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

Maybe they just used Trundy made up as a cost cutting measure and she was meant to be a different female at the time of the Ape Management bredding scenes.

There's no way of knowing.  In the book it's not Lisa, but she may have just happend to be in the center for breeding on that particular day.  It sure looks like her, but since she doesn't look that way anywhere else in the film, who knows if she's supposed to be herself or not.  Though until I knew better I though it was someone else, I'm a sentimental guy. I'm willing to belive that fate conspired to somehow bring them together. 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: JamesA1102@... [JamesA1102@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 12:37
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Listen Here Mate...
>
>
> OK Here's a comparison of Lisa from the bookstore scene and the
> chimpette from the Ape Management scene. Decide if they are the
> same or not.
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-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 12:47
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

In a message dated 7/6/2002 6:05:17 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

OK then

Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?

If yes - WHEN?  Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?

Michael

Yes, LISA was in Conquest... Her first appearance (if I'm remembering correctly) was at the book store. And the question you're posing is one I've wondered about myself. In my own mind though, I'm not sure if I think that's supposed to be her at the breeding annex. Maybe they just used Trundy made up as a cost cutting measure and she was meant to be a different female at the time of the Ape Management bredding scenes. PURE SPECULATION on my part though....
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-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 12:50
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Picture?

In a message dated 7/6/2002 6:06:22 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Did anyone respond to this other than me?

I myself didn't respond, only because when I looked at the picture, I had no idea of where it came from. My guess would be perhaps "Battle," because of the gorilla's hairstyles. But then again, they had those 'do's in the tv series too, so it's hard to judge.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 13:43
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> Sounds like you're having a mid-Ape crisis. I don't see why
> POTA2001 should
> alter people's views of the originals. They're still the same. Of course
> you're going to find more holes than you did as a kid, but you can find
> holes in anything. But I appreciate the message and the themes more than I
> did as a kid. The older I get, the more dead on those movies
> seem. So I just
> overlook the holes. They're more worthy than most of the crap being
> shovelled our way these days. Etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> > Just poor memory T.
> >
> > I am really challenged to get through anything but the original these
> days,
> > so I often put the question to the group rather than endeavour the pains
> of
> > a re-watch.
> >
> > Am I a fan? Well, less every day I think.
> >
> > I have explained this before, but I'll say it again. POTA was my first
> > obsession, one that I grew out of (I mean, there is more to
> life, right?)
> > and then when I turned 30 it reignited a spark. I rewatched the movies,
> > finding them a LOT less watchable, and discovered there were some really
> > consistent inconsistencies (when I enjoyed these movies as a kid, I was
> > NEVER analytical - I was just so damned happy to see them).
> >
> > I don't know if it was a mid-life crisis or what, but I spent around $15
> > 000US on building a collection (I could probably sell it now
> for about $3
> > 000 - thanks to POTA 2001). And I am not so easily entertained these
> days.
> > Yes I still buy the crap they churn out, but I want more.
> >
> > But if I have any say in it, the quality of merchandise bearing the POTA
> > logo will improve. I will do what I can to help this happen (probably
> > nothing really), but I can no longer support the crap that gets a POTA
> logo
> > slapped on it. And there sure is a lot of this around. And if it does
> not
> > stop soon, I'm selling up and moving on. If that happens, POTA
> is doomed,
> > because I am such a fan that I tried to like POTA 2001, and there ain't
> many
> > as foolish as I.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > PS By the way T, I often know the answer to my posts, but put up a topic
> > because it is taken for granted and attracts comments. Just
> because I ask
> a
> > question, this does not mean I do not know the answer. And I must say I
> > think people in this group should feel free to ask whatever
> question they
> > like without fear of an insulting response like the one you
> just gave. I
> > expected more of you.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:08
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > OK then
> > > Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
> > > If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
> > >
> > > Whadda ya? NUTS!
> > >
> > > Of course! Natalie Trundy played Lisa in both films.
> > > And you call yourself a POTA fan?
> > > This must be some kinda joke!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 14:22
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
>
>
> but you can find holes in anything.
>
> I dunno. I'm still trying to find the holes in The Usual Suspects, and I
> can't.
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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 14:25
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

  That would make a good miniseries story, though. If it isn't Lisa and to find out what happened to the mother and the son. Maybe he wants to be Caesar's heir? Etc.                      - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

Maybe they just used Trundy made up as a cost cutting measure and she was meant to be a different female at the time of the Ape Management bredding scenes.

There's no way of knowing.  In the book it's not Lisa, but she may have just happend to be in the center for breeding on that particular day.  It sure looks like her, but since she doesn't look that way anywhere else in the film, who knows if she's supposed to be herself or not.  Though until I knew better I though it was someone else, I'm a sentimental guy. I'm willing to belive that fate conspired to somehow bring them together. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken and Heather Taylor [ktaylor@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 15:52
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

Maybe it's Lisa's evil twin Ilsa ( the Nazi bitch chimp)?

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

Maybe they just used Trundy made up as a cost cutting measure and she was meant to be a different female at the time of the Ape Management bredding scenes.

There's no way of knowing.  In the book it's not Lisa, but she may have just happend to be in the center for breeding on that particular day.  It sure looks like her, but since she doesn't look that way anywhere else in the film, who knows if she's supposed to be herself or not.  Though until I knew better I though it was someone else, I'm a sentimental guy. I'm willing to belive that fate conspired to somehow bring them together. 
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:58 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Please write to Fox...

KT

 

Do you know this man?

 

Is he the "right guy"?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 15:06
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Please write to Fox...

I am sure it's probably going to fall upon deaf ears at the Fox studio, but I have a "request" to make of those in this group. I have written to Fox to request that they do a "5 Star" edition of "PLANET", as well as a "Director's Cut" of "CONQUEST" and "special editions" of "BENEATH," ESCAPE," and "BATTLE." I also requested that they release "Return to the Planet of the Apes" on dvd as well.

(The "director's cut" of course being J. Lee Thompson's "original" vision of "CONQUEST," before the complaining test audiences in Phoenix whined too much and they edited the film's content... And the "special editions" being those titles with extra footage added. I'm not sure how much unused footage still exists for "BENEATH" & "ESCAPE," but I know there is extra footage for "BATTLE." The extra "BATTLE" footage was used during television airings, and was included in the Japanese laser disc version of the film.)

We have two addresses to write to. My guess is the first address would be the most "useful," but I am trying them both. I don't expect any reply from them, because I sure didn't receive any when I wrote requesting the tv series on dvd... Regardless, here are the addresses:

Michael Dunn, Exec. V.P.-Mktg. & Sls.
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Inc.
2121 Avenue Of The Stars 25th Fl
Los Angeles, CA 90067-5010

                         "Or try:"

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, Ca
               90213

Thank you to all who choose to write to request Fox to do these releases...

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:56 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Holes (OT)


> I found a few in Minority Report today, but what a great movie!
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 14:22
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > but you can find holes in anything.
> >
> > I dunno. I'm still trying to find the holes in The Usual Suspects, and
I
> > can't.
> >
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> >
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> >

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--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I love it when you do that James.
>
> I say they look VERY similar.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JamesA1102@a... [JamesA1102@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 12:37
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Listen Here Mate...
> >
> >
> > OK Here's a comparison of Lisa from the bookstore scene and the
> > chimpette from the Ape Management scene. Decide if they are the
> > same or not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Dead right Mr K
>
> POTA (original) was all about themes - nuclear holocaust, racism
etc.
>
> I am back in love again
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 13:43
> > To: pota@y...
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > Sounds like you're having a mid-Ape crisis. I don't see why
> > POTA2001 should
> > alter people's views of the originals. They're still the same.
Of course
> > you're going to find more holes than you did as a kid, but you
can find
> > holes in anything. But I appreciate the message and the themes
more than I
> > did as a kid. The older I get, the more dead on those movies
> > seem. So I just
> > overlook the holes. They're more worthy than most of the crap
being
> > shovelled our way these days. Etc. - - -
Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 4:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > > Just poor memory T.
> > >
> > > I am really challenged to get through anything but the
original these
> > days,
> > > so I often put the question to the group rather than endeavour
the pains
> > of
> > > a re-watch.
> > >
> > > Am I a fan? Well, less every day I think.
> > >
> > > I have explained this before, but I'll say it again. POTA was
my first
> > > obsession, one that I grew out of (I mean, there is more to
> > life, right?)
> > > and then when I turned 30 it reignited a spark. I rewatched
the movies,
> > > finding them a LOT less watchable, and discovered there were
some really
> > > consistent inconsistencies (when I enjoyed these movies as a
kid, I was
> > > NEVER analytical - I was just so damned happy to see them).
> > >
> > > I don't know if it was a mid-life crisis or what, but I spent
around $15
> > > 000US on building a collection (I could probably sell it now
> > for about $3
> > > 000 - thanks to POTA 2001). And I am not so easily
entertained these
> > days.
> > > Yes I still buy the crap they churn out, but I want more.
> > >
> > > But if I have any say in it, the quality of merchandise
bearing the POTA
> > > logo will improve. I will do what I can to help this happen
(probably
> > > nothing really), but I can no longer support the crap that
gets a POTA
> > logo
> > > slapped on it. And there sure is a lot of this around. And
if it does
> > not
> > > stop soon, I'm selling up and moving on. If that happens, POTA
> > is doomed,
> > > because I am such a fan that I tried to like POTA 2001, and
there ain't
> > many
> > > as foolish as I.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > PS By the way T, I often know the answer to my posts, but put
up a topic
> > > because it is taken for granted and attracts comments. Just
> > because I ask
> > a
> > > question, this does not mean I do not know the answer. And I
must say I
> > > think people in this group should feel free to ask whatever
> > question they
> > > like without fear of an insulting response like the one you
> > just gave. I
> > > expected more of you.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 9:08
> > > > To: pota@y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK then
> > > > Did "Lisa" appear in Conquest?
> > > > If yes - WHEN? Was it the same actor as Caesar's mate?
> > > >
> > > > Whadda ya? NUTS!
> > > >
> > > > Of course! Natalie Trundy played Lisa in both films.
> > > > And you call yourself a POTA fan?
> > > > This must be some kinda joke!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> Lemme ask you a question.
> How did the Romans spell Vinnie Vide Vici if they used V to mean U?
> I've always wondered that.

Hey Jeff, go get your own damned beer.  Grab me one while you're at it.  No Budweiser, though.  I do have standards. 

Ah what the heck.  If that's all you have.

> > How many years separate the two stories? 3955 minus 2018 would
> make 1,937 years. During those two millennia, who's to say that the
> Mendez community from BATTLE stayed put and never left?
>
> Well state some evidence from the films that proves that they moved.

> > We do know that at SOME point the Bomb was moved from its place in the =

>
> A move across town is more believable than a move across the
> country. Or did the Roswell aliens help them move it? Or maybe they
> used their mind powers to hitch a ride on mothership earth?

> > I previously compared this idea of a "move" of the Mendez group (with t=

>
> We're talking about POTA not Raider of the Lost Ark. Stay focused
> Patrick.

> > This would be all "cut and dried" if the filmmakers had indicated that=

>
> I'll give you that in Conquest they wanted to keep their options
> open for future films. But by the end of Battle it's pretty clear
> we're seeing the same ape and mutant settlements as in Beneath.
>

>
> > As for the "Ackerman" and "Breck" streets/avenues, yeah, of course "Ack=

>
> By that argument no city in the US was the city featured in those
> two films. No Breck and Ackerman intersect in any city in the
> country. I've looked this up on streets and trips.
> You know that filmmakers often use fictional street and place names
> in films. By your logic Friends doesn't take place in NYC cause the
> street they live on isn't a real NYC street. Die Hard didn't take
> place in LA cause there's no Nacatomi Plaza there. This is the POTA
> universe not the real world. You do know the difference don't you.
>

> > it was a city that had yet to be built, with its underground cylindrica=

>
> Didn't they have undergroud cylindrical tunnels in Beneath too.
> HHMMM!

> > if they had intended it to actually BE the city of New York, then would=

>
> First they were trying to present a city of the future not present
> day. Plus a location shoot in NYC would have been much more expensive tha=

>
> > The fact that there are absolutely NO familiar NYC landmarks at all in =

>
> There are no familar landmarks to any city shown in either films.
> The evidence is based on the events of the story. Present evidence
> from the stories that lead you to conclude it's elsewhere.

> > You, of course, are free to believe otherwise; but I have yet to see an=

>
> They are totally generic names that could exist in any city. Are
> there any that is specific to any other city?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:56 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Holes (OT)


> I found a few in Minority Report today, but what a great movie!
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 14:22
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> >
> >
> > but you can find holes in anything.
> >
> > I dunno. I'm still trying to find the holes in The Usual Suspects, and
I
> > can't.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:56 AM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

Remember Helen provide a scenario recently where the son is Milo?

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [mailto:veetus@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 14:25
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

  That would make a good miniseries story, though. If it isn't Lisa and to find out what happened to the mother and the son. Maybe he wants to be Caesar's heir? Etc.                      - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....

Maybe they just used Trundy made up as a cost cutting measure and she was meant to be a different female at the time of the Ape Management bredding scenes.

There's no way of knowing.  In the book it's not Lisa, but she may have just happend to be in the center for breeding on that particular day.  It sure looks like her, but since she doesn't look that way anywhere else in the film, who knows if she's supposed to be herself or not.  Though until I knew better I though it was someone else, I'm a sentimental guy. I'm willing to belive that fate conspired to somehow bring them together. 
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----- Original Message -----

From: Ken and Heather Taylor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:03 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Please write to Fox...

Yeah, I've met him a couple of times. He's a nice guy and yes, he's the guy to contact.

KT

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:58 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Please write to Fox...

KT

 

Do you know this man?

 

Is he the "right guy"?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 15:06
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Please write to Fox...

I am sure it's probably going to fall upon deaf ears at the Fox studio, but I have a "request" to make of those in this group. I have written to Fox to request that they do a "5 Star" edition of "PLANET", as well as a "Director's Cut" of "CONQUEST" and "special editions" of "BENEATH," ESCAPE," and "BATTLE." I also requested that they release "Return to the Planet of the Apes" on dvd as well.

(The "director's cut" of course being J. Lee Thompson's "original" vision of "CONQUEST," before the complaining test audiences in Phoenix whined too much and they edited the film's content... And the "special editions" being those titles with extra footage added. I'm not sure how much unused footage still exists for "BENEATH" & "ESCAPE," but I know there is extra footage for "BATTLE." The extra "BATTLE" footage was used during television airings, and was included in the Japanese laser disc version of the film.)

We have two addresses to write to. My guess is the first address would be the most "useful," but I am trying them both. I don't expect any reply from them, because I sure didn't receive any when I wrote requesting the tv series on dvd... Regardless, here are the addresses:

Michael Dunn, Exec. V.P.-Mktg. & Sls.
20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Inc.
2121 Avenue Of The Stars 25th Fl
Los Angeles, CA 90067-5010

                         "Or try:"

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
P.O. Box 900
Beverly Hills, Ca
               90213

Thank you to all who choose to write to request Fox to do these releases...

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken and Heather Taylor" <ktaylor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Holes (OT)


> Unlike MIB2 which is just awful. Man, they should hand out pegs to put on
> your nose as you enter the cinema..it's such a stinker.
> KT
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 5:56 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Holes (OT)
>
>
> > I found a few in Minority Report today, but what a great movie!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2002 14:22
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Listen Here Mate.....
> > >
> > >
> > > but you can find holes in anything.
> > >
> > > I dunno. I'm still trying to find the holes in The Usual Suspects,
and
> I
> > > can't.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:02 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] OT: Roman spelling


--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Lemme ask you a question.
> How did the Romans spell Vinnie Vide Vici if they used V to mean U?
> I've always wondered that.

*** Caius Iulius Cæsar spelled it "Veni, vidi, vici" ("I came, I saw,
I conquered.").
The Romans used the letter "I" for both the vowel "I" and the
consonantal form (pronounced like "Y" but spelled as "I"). In later
years, the letter--when used as a consonant--was spelled as "J"; thus,
the god Jupiter was actually spelled "Iupiter" originally (remember
"Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"? When Indy has to spell "the Name
of God"--Jehovah--he forgets that the Romans spelled it "Iehovah",
pronounced "Yeh-Hoh-Wah".
By the way, "Veni, vidi, vici" is pronounced nowadays as "VEE-nee VEE-
dee VEE-chee", but in Iulius Cæsar's day it was pronounced "WEE-nee
WEE-dee WEE-kee". The letter "C" was always pronounced as a "K" sound,
not as a sibilant (i.e. like "S" or "T + Sh" / "Ch"). Thus, the "name"
CÆSAR was originally pronounced "KY-sarr", as in the Germanic
"Kaiser". Later on, when the letter C began to be pronounced like "S"
(or, for Italians, like the "CH" in "CHurCH"--before "E" or "I"), due
to its similarity to the alternative way of writing the Greek letter
Sigma, names like "Caesar" began to be wretchedly mispronounced. And
now we're stuck with it (>sigh<).

PATRICVS MICHÆLIVS TILTON
TEMPVS TERRÆ VII QVINTILVS MMII

----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:35 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Cooties and not Talking to the Ladies

Hey Jeff, go get your own damned beer.  Grab me one while you're at it.  No Budweiser, though.  I do have standards. 

Ah what the heck.  If that's all you have.

Kassidy

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----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:46 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Breck's city: in California? in New York?


> > How many years separate the two stories? 3955 minus 2018 would
> make 1,937 years. During those two millennia, who's to say that the
> Mendez community from BATTLE stayed put and never left?
>
> Well state some evidence from the films that proves that they moved.

*** You want evidence? Okay, here goes...
1.) Kolp's scout reports that Caesar's "Ape City" is NORTH of their
nuked dwelling place. If Cornelius' map is oriented with "North" on
Top (as James contends), then Ape City should not be to the "Left" of
the Forbidden Zone, but "Above" it; if the Map is oriented with "West"
on Top (as I conclude), then Ape City should be off the Right side of
the map, instead of to the Left, on the other side of the dashed line
separating the "green" inhabited areas from the desert Forbidden Zone.
2.) The post-Nuke devastation of New York City--as seen in BENEATH--
involves either solidified magma/lava (i.e. re-hardened material that
was liquefied by the heat of the nuke explosion) or a dense
accumulation of ash (as happened to Pompeii after Mt. Ætna buried it;
we can know this because of what is seen when Brent and Nova emerge
from the cylindrical air-vent shafts to see the steps of the NEW YORK
PUBLIC LIBRARY building. The cylindrical shaft was hollowed out of a
mass of material that could not have been there PRIOR to the Nuke War,
and could only have gotten there BECAUSE of the War. It was AFTER the
War that the Mutants (whenever they arrived on the scene) tunneled
their way from the hollow subterranean remnants of those buildings
along New York's 5th Avenue (etc.) to the subway tunnels, connecting
the two places with the hollowed-out cylindrical air shafts. When
Brent, after he and Nova travel from Queensboro Plaza through the
ancient subway tunnels, first finds the metal ladder leading up to the
circular opening, he says, "Well, whoever--or whatever--is guiding us,
THEY BREATHE AIR." He says this because he can feel that drawn-in air
whooshing past him into the circular "vent". Although the cylindrical
tunnels in Breck's city (in CONQUEST) were undoubtedly meant to evoke
our memories of these similar looking tunnels in BENEATH, it should be
obvious that the CONQUEST tunnels were built as part of Breck's city
BEFORE the Nuke War, and that the cylindrical tunnels in BENEATH were
delved AFTER the Nuke War. Maybe the Mendez mutant group had a "thing"
for cylindrical tunnels, or perhaps they had a tunnel-boring machine
(much like the types used regularly to carve out tunnels all over the
world--like the "chunnel" connecting Britain and France).
3.) BENEATH's Mendez group dwells in the ruins of well-known landmarks
(Grand Central Station, St. Patrick's Cathedral, the New York Public
Library, etc.), the Bomb itself being kept in St. Patrick's Cathedral.
In BATTLE, Kolp's group lives in the ruins of Breck's city, but never
in either CONQUEST or BATTLE is there ever any mention of any New York
City placename, which indicates that Breck governs a city which did
not exist in 1973 (as New York City did) and was built NEW sometime in
the late 1970's. The reason they filmed it at Century City was NOT to
suggest that it actually WAS Century City (or to suggest that somehow
New York City had become transformed into that new "look"), but
because that newly-built part of L.A. looked "futuristic", and UNLIKE
anything familiar (such as New York City, which has--undoubtedly--the
MOST familiar "look" to it, a look still recognizable in 3955, when
Brent sees its remnants). NOTHING seen in BENEATH looks anywhere near
what we see in CONQUEST--even the cylindrical tunnels bear but a
cursory similarity: in CONQUEST the tunnels have flourescent light
panels along the curved walls, with telephones available along them
(remember MacDonald answering Breck's order that he "get to a
phone"?), yet in BENEATH the tunnels are obviously designed as part of
a ventilation system built AFTER the Mutants got there, well after the
Nuke War.
4.) The Bomb--when we first see it, in the uncut version of BATTLE--is
in a silo-like part of the old APE MANAGEMENT center. This same Bomb
ends up in St. Patrick's Cathedral (which, obviously, was not where
Caesar was brought to be "conditioned" along with all those apes from
Africa and Borneo). The Mutants who moved the Bomb to St. Patrick's
Cathedral also (probably) were the ones who tunneled out the
cylindrical vent-shafts connecting the New York Public Library to the
subway tunnel (where Brent found it). Those Mutants COULD have just
moved the Bomb "across town", as you say; they could just as well have
moved it across the country, especially since the California area in
3085 suffers from periodic earthquakes (as in "The Trap"), which would
be one good reason out of many for them to pack up their stuff and
move somewhere less prone to seismic disruption.

Admittedly, the evidence is circumstantial, but it ain't non-existent.


> > We do know that at SOME point the Bomb was moved from its place in the =
"Ape Management" area (where Kolp's HQ was in BATTLE) to St. Patrick's
Cathe=
dral. Whether or not this "move" was merely across town or (as my scenario
h=
as it) across country, there are NO facts given in BATTLE (or CONQUEST, for
=
that matter) to indicate otherwise.
>
> A move across town is more believable than a move across the
> country. Or did the Roswell aliens help them move it? Or maybe they
> used their mind powers to hitch a ride on mothership earth?

*** What the smeg do these snide nonsequitors have to do with the
discussion? Your attempt to ridicule the idea of a Mutant migration
from California to New York by "linking" it to other parts of my
scenario is a classic example of the "straw man" fallacy of Argument.
As for the believability of a "move" across the country, the history
books are chock full of instances where groups of people for all sorts
of reasons find it in their best interests to uproot themselves and
seek out a better place to live. Whether it be to flee an earthquake
zone, or to avoid an impending invasion, or to acquire easier access
to food, or any of a dozen other reasons, the Mendez group would have
needed just ONE good reason--and that doesn't preclude the possibility
that they may have had MANY reasons to flee the California area. Your
inability to imagine a valid reason doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


> > I previously compared this idea of a "move" of the Mendez group (with t=
heir Bomb) to the theories published by Graham Hancock (and others)
regardi=
ng the Ark of the Covenant.
>
> We're talking about POTA not Raider of the Lost Ark. Stay focused
> Patrick.

*** I WAS talking about POTA, comparing a scenario for the migration
of Mendez' group to various theories regarding a SIMILAR religious
guarded the Ark of the Covenant not just because it was some fancy box
with pretty gold plating--it was said to be the Earthly THRONE of God,
even God Himself (since his Presence allegedly manifested above the
"lid", called the "Mercy Seat", from which God's Voice and Power would
emanate. Similarly, the Mutants worship the Alpha Omega Bomb as "our
God" ("Negro" to Brent) and also as "the instrument of my God" (Mendez
to Ursus). The man-made Ark's destructive capabilities were made
popular to modern day audiences who saw "RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK"; the
Bomb God of BENEATH's Mutants is primarily a man-made weapon of Mass
Destruction. The Temple of Solomon was built for ONE purpose: to house
the Ark of the Covenant within the gold-lined Sanctum Sanctorum ("Holy
of Holies"), served by a priesthood that served and guarded the Ark;
similarly, the Bomb is eventually kept in St. Patrick's Cathedral,
served by the Mendez group whose "only reason for survival" is to be
"the Keepers of the Divine Bomb".
The ancient Israelites worshipped a "God-box" (the Ark) which they
used to massacre their enemies during Joshua's invasion of the land of
the Canaanites. When Paul Dehn came up with the idea of a bunch of
Mutants worshipping a mega-Bomb built in "the twentieth century"
("another lovely souvenir" as Taylor calls it), he was being
satirical, yes... but he wasn't being that far off the mark: the Old
Testament's Ark of the Covenant is a blatant precedent. If YOU can't
see the similarities yet, then you're either blind or you don't want
to see them.


> > This would be all "cut and dried" if the filmmakers had indicated that=
CONQUEST took place in "NEW YORK CITY Region, 2670" instead of "NORTH
AMERI=
CA, 2670" (or, in CONQUEST, "NORTH AMERICA, 1991"). The ambiguity of that
"N=
orth America" bit leaves it open to speculation as to where exactly IN
North=
America those adventures take place.
>
> I'll give you that in Conquest they wanted to keep their options
> open for future films. But by the end of Battle it's pretty clear
> we're seeing the same ape and mutant settlements as in Beneath.
>
*** The apes and Mutants of BATTLE are the ancestors, yes, of the apes
and Mutants of BENEATH; but the "carved rock" Ape City from PLANET and
BENEATH doesn't look anything like the "treefort" Ape City from
BATTLE. Why not? Why aren't there treeforts instead of carved rock
buildings & causeways (etc.) in PLANET? Doesn't that bother you? Two
places, with different architectures, BOTH having the same name ("Ape
City")? Isn't it more likely that the ape community which lived in
treeforts in BATTLE eventually migrated elsewhere--to the New York
area--where they found the hills of rounded rock in the middle of a
forest and decided to hollow them out, carving into them to make
doorways and windows (etc.), and then gave this NEW dwelling place the
SAME name as their former city?
I think it makes more sense, but you're free to think what you want
about it. I'd still like to know how you reconcile the "treefort"-
versus-"carved rock" styles.

>
> > As for the "Ackerman" and "Breck" streets/avenues, yeah, of course "Ack=
erman" ("Department 4SJ"!) was intended as a tribute to the publisher of
"FA=
MOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND", but that's beside the point. Since there
alread=
y is an "Ackerman" street in NYC, on Staten Island, only a single block
lon=
g with no "Breck" avenue intersecting it, then NYC is ruled out as the
city=
in CONQUEST and BATTLE;
>
> By that argument no city in the US was the city featured in those
> two films. No Breck and Ackerman intersect in any city in the
> country. I've looked this up on streets and trips.
> You know that filmmakers often use fictional street and place names
> in films. By your logic Friends doesn't take place in NYC cause the
> street they live on isn't a real NYC street. Die Hard didn't take
> place in LA cause there's no Nacatomi Plaza there. This is the POTA
> universe not the real world. You do know the difference don't you.
>
*** "... no city in the U.S. was the city featured" in CONQUEST and
BATTLE: Why, YES! In the "alternate POTA universe", Breck's city is a
city which DOES NOT EXIST in our "real" universe. It is governed by a
"governor"--not a "mayor": Why? In my scenario, because Breck's city--
unlike "old" cities like NYC, Chicago, Houston, etc.--is part of a
long-term movement on the part of the behind-the-scenes "people who
are REALLY in charge" to advance their distorted version of "America"
into the Future. They've been fooled into thinking that they've got at
least 500 years left (Cornelius and Zira's "secret scroll" pseudo-
chronology of "five centuries" between the Plague and the Ape
Rebellion under "Aldo"), and they know that IF the planet Earth ends
up being over-run with talking monkeys (with humans relegated to
savagery), then MAYBE it's because those wretched humans were the
descendants of those who were left behind after the rest migrated OFF-
PLANET. Their long-term goal would be to get Humanity into Space; this
would require humans growing accustomed to strict control from
Authority (since survival in space stations involves the regulation of
Air, Food, Waste circulation, etc.), and the new "cities" built on a
pre-ordained plan would be testing grounds for the future way of life:
the Governor and his Security Teams in control, and the Citizens
dutifully obeying. Breck's city (and others like it) are meant to be,
then, templates/simulations for Society in preparation for the type of
Society that is intended to exist in well-regulated artificial
habitats in Space (orbital "O'Neill" L-5 type stations, Lunar bases,
Mars bases, asteroid-mining stations, etc.). Breck's city represents
one type of Future--a totalitarian one which happens to exploit people
and apes for their usefulness and cost-effectiveness (which is why
there are labor demonstrations, since it presumably is cheaper to
train an ape to do certain tasks which a Teamster could do as well or
better... but for more money: the Apes are electrically conditioned
not to complain about their being taken advantage of).
I do know the difference between fiction and the real world--were you
implying that "Friends" and "Die Hard" are "the real world"? "Friends"
takes place in a fictional version of New York, and "Die Hard" took
place in a fictional version of Los Angeles. BENEATH takes place in a
fictional version of New York. But CONQUEST and BATTLE (Breck's city)
takes place in a fictional place which is never explicitly named at
all. And the avoidance of any recognizable placenames & landmarks
(unlike BENEATH), among other things, leads me to conclude that this
city is NOT the Big Apple.

> > it was a city that had yet to be built, with its underground cylindrica=
l tunnels,
>
> Didn't they have undergroud cylindrical tunnels in Beneath too.
> HHMMM!

*** See above: in BENEATH, they're VENTILATION SHAFTS, used to draw
air up from the outside surface world into the stagnant "city of the
dead". And they were tunneled into the re-hardened once-melted
materials that filled in NYC as a result of the Nuke War. Look at the
"exit" from the tunnel, as Brent and Nova emerge near the Lion statues
of the New York Public Library. See the old Bus? The wrecked car? See
how it's all melted together? The cylindrical tunnels were carved into
this mess AFTER the Nuke War.

> > if they had intended it to actually BE the city of New York, then would=
n't it have been easier to film it there? Imagine shots of Armando taking
C=
aesar through Times Square, to hand out leaflets for his antiquated circus.
=

>
> First they were trying to present a city of the future not present
> day. Plus a location shoot in NYC would have been much more expensive tha=
n film right next door in Century City.

*** I disagree. One of the reasons ESCAPE was so cheap to make was
because they did location filming in Los Angeles. They could have
easily done the same thing in New York City, with the same cost for
the "futuristic" interior sets as they ended up with. If they wanted
to show Breck's city as New York City "in the future", all it would
have taken was at least ONE shot depicting a NYC landmark (say, Times
Square) with jumpsuit-clad Ape slaves shuffling along, with a
strategically-placed matte painting to give that extra futuristic
"hint" to it. That's all it would have taken... but they didn't. They
wouldn't have needed to film the entire movie in NYC, only certain
establishing shots--and since Fox had a "New York office" (from which
Bill Creber got a photographer to take snapshots for use in BENEATH),
they could have made use of these already-on-the-payroll guys.

>
> > The fact that there are absolutely NO familiar NYC landmarks at all in =
CONQUEST (or BATTLE, for that matter) leads me to conclude that it ISN'T
New=
York.
>
> There are no familar landmarks to any city shown in either films.
> The evidence is based on the events of the story. Present evidence
> from the stories that lead you to conclude it's elsewhere.

*** It's the presence of familiar NYC landmarks (etc.) in BENEATH and
the noticeable LACK of them in CONQUEST/BATTLE that indicates it ain't
NYC.

> > You, of course, are free to believe otherwise; but I have yet to see an=
y proof. Are there NY tags on the license plates of the Bus and Jeeps that
=
Kolp's army drives over to Caesar's "Ape City" with? One other thing:
throu=
ghout CONQUEST and BATTLE there are various designations of places in the
c=
ity (such as "the southeast plaza", etc.), yet nobody ever makes any
refere=
nce to a placename that can be connected with New York City, such as
"Times=
Square", "Greenwich Village", the Bronx, etc. If there were just ONE,
then=
I'd have a hell of a time explaining that one away as NOT being in New
Yor=
k.
>
> They are totally generic names that could exist in any city. Are
> there any that is specific to any other city?

*** Look at the list of specific placenames above! Do you know of any
"Greenwich Village" OTHER than the one in New York? "Times Square",
"the Bronx", "Avenue of the Americas", "Wall Street"... the list goes
on. Everybody knows that you're talking about New York City when you
name any one of these well-known placenames. Every major city has
numbered avenues and streets (eg. "Fifth Avenue"), but only New York
has an "Avenue of the Americas".

Patrick Michael Tilton
7-07-2002

> --- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
>
> > > Does London look like it did 2000 years ago?
> > [*** No... but if BATTLE takes place in the exact same "Ape City" as in PLANET, then you have to account for the "stone city" aspect of it. I don't see any of that in BATTLE, not even the "raw materials" with which to carve out such a city. Caesar's people built tree-forts in a big cluster out in some forest, and named it "Ape City". Nearly 2,000 years later there's a place also called "Ape City" (actually, only by Brent, and NOT by any apes, as far as I can recall) where there are NO tree-forts, and where the Apes have carved out dwellings into solid rock.]
> >
> > Does Rome or any other city in the world look like it did 2000 years ago? No. So your first arguement is specious.
>
> It's 2000 years, if the mutants can walk across country with the Alpha-Omega bomb in that time; surely the Ape could develop enough to move up from tree forts to the city seen in Planet.

> And where is the "Forbidden City" on the west coast?
>
> [*** In my scenario, it's built as an overlying "arcology" on the site of the small towns of San Simeon and Cambria, between San Francisco and Los Angeles.]
>
> No one give a rats ass about your scenario. For a smart guy I have thought you would of figured that out by now. Either state evidence from the films to support your arguement or concede the point.

> > > How come it is never mentioned or seen in the TV series?
> >
> > [*** Why would it be? If Virdon, Burke & Galen had never travelled
> > directly between San Fran and LA, they never would have run into it.
> > So what if no other character mentions it--why should they?
>
> Virdon & Burke are looking for other humans that might posses technology. Surely they grilled Galen about the area. If there were someplace called the Forbidden City; don't you think they'd seek it out.

> > Look at the "skulls" on Urko's wall map, and you'll see that there are plenty of places where there could be a "Forbidden" City/Zone/place.]
>
> Those skulls are to the east and south nowhere near California.

> > > The simian settlement there is clearly called "Central City".
> >
> > [*** I never said that the tree-fort village of Caesar's in BATTLE was the same place later seen in the TV show and named "Central City". In my scenario, Caesar's "Ape City" and Urko's "Central City" are two different places, both in California yet hundreds of miles apart.]
>
> Then how come Ape City is not on Urko's map?

> > > Since your interpretation of Cornelius' map is all wrong (Zaius does refer to the Forbidden Zone twice as 'our eastern desert' in Planet) the rest of your arguement doesn't hold water.
> >
> > [*** Zaius calls it "our eastern desert", yes... which implies
> > (perhaps) that there is also a "western desert" not visible on the map
>
> It implies no such thing.

>
>
>
> > Cornelius shows Taylor. And BOTH of those deserts could be "north" of Ape City; if there were a mountain range separating the two deserts, then it would be logical for him to differentiate between the two--he could call them the "Northwest" and "Northeast" deserts... or he could just call them the "Western" and "Eastern" deserts, since the "north" part would be unnecessary. Zaius never says that the desert in question is "towards the East"; he calls it "our eastern desert", and there's a difference.]
>
> No way you're just making stuff up to prove your point. Or as a good lawyer would say "Assuming facts not in evidence". And LordT told you about assuming.

>
> >
> > And, James, why don't you address the below-quoted bit from BATTLE, where Kolp's scout says that Ape City is "to the North"? According to your interpretation of Cornelius' map, Kolp's city would have to be SOUTH of Ape City, "below" it--but the ape-inhabited area of Cornelius' map has an OCEAN "below" it (in the "southern" direction as you read the Map; whereas I would say that it is due EAST of Ape City). How do you fit in what Kolp's scout says? C'mon, gimme an answer!
> >
>
> Kolps scout never says that Ape City is to the north. He never specifies that when he comes back to report. He does state that Caeser, Virgil and McDonald headed north when they left the Forbidden City. As shown on the attached, this would have been the quickest route back to the greenbelt.

----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:36 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Breck's city: in California? in New York?

In a message dated 7/7/2002 9:47:21 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

4.) The Bomb--when we first see it, in the uncut version of BATTLE--is
in a silo-like part of the old APE MANAGEMENT center.

I am pretty sure that they are not "supposed to be" headquartered in what was Ape Management. I'm guessing they used that set just to save money.

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> But Nautius Maximus was a Roman!
>
> Michael

> --- In pota@y..., "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> >
> You seem to think that that peninsula between the lake and the sea is Long Island, when the topography of this part of the world is drastically different.
>
> It's not drastically different its very similar. See attached.

> > Yes after a nuclear war, 2000 years of erosion plus the fact that the apes knowledge of the terrain was limited. Look at the maps made by the early explorers of America. They are not completely accurate either.
> >
> > *** Cornelius was the only ape with any firsthand knowledge of the terrain, since Zaius said the Forbidden Zone "has never been explored" to Taylor. Cornelius DID explore it, and his knowledge was extensive enough.
>
> How do you know that? Can you read Cornelius' mind through the movie screen. He says he can draw map but since we never see him do so; how do we know he's any good at it.

>
> > *** Up WHAT coast? The last time Zaius & Cornelius saw Taylor (in PLANET), Taylor was heading "towards the north" along a stretch of beach which extended to the RIGHT on Cornelius' map. There was a cliff

> >
> > Patrick
>
>
> Again you're neglecting 2,000 year of topagraphical shifts plus the initial effects of the nuclear blast. You keep saying the Forbidden Zone is in the North but other than a vague line in Beneath refering not to the relation of the Forbidden Zone to Ape City but the last place Cornelius saw Taylor.(And the way the scene is constructed he was pointing to a position on the map at the time); you never state any facts from the films to prove your point.
> Feel free to use the attached map, and even turn it sideways if you want and show us all where you think everything is and what area from now it's supposed to represent.
> I bet you won't cause none of your theories hold any water.

> In a message dated 7/3/2002 3:11:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > *** The "Ape City" in BATTLE is a comprised of tree-forts, built in a forest. The "Ape City" in PLANET & BENEATH is like the troglodyte city in Cappodocia (where POTA's production designer, Bill Creber, got the idea), carved into solid rock.
>
> Where is it ever mentioned the Ape's city in Planet & Beneath is "carved into solid rock?" I'm not specifically asking you Patrick, this is an open question to the group.
>
> I always thought the Ape's city was more or less supposed to be made of an adobe type substance.

Out of beer?  And you call yourself a man.  I say we throw you out of the group. 

What do you forgive me for?  I don't accept your forgiveness. And don't call me a "guy". 

I'll go to the store, but I'm not coming back. (I'll bet you've heard that before)

> There's no real flubs with the geographical settings. The issues are
> purely manufactured.

> Hey well if you have to have contact with us to get cooties,

>That would make a good miniseries story, though.
>If it isn't Lisa and to find out what happened
>to the mother and the son. Maybe he wants to be
>Caesar's heir? Etc. - - - Jeff