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From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy and Naughton


> Well, you know how I feel about the show. I loved it. I look at the
> dvds and still love it. And yes, I know the scripts were in need of
> help--especially "Tomorrow's Tide". Don't care, loved it anyway. I
> can watch something and even if it's flawed, it doesn't ruin the
> good: the three leads, the music, and always always the apes. You
> can't tell me those guys didn't rise above some of the lines they had
> to work with.
>
> I do know one other thing, and that is Mr. Naughton's son Greg loved
> the show. He loved the set, and riding. Can you imagine how great
> that must have been to a kid?
>
> By the way, if you want to look at a really bad sci-fi series at
> around the same time, check out "Logan's Run". I loved it back then,
> but whew is it poor. Still, I like watching it. Who knows why?
> Don't whiz on my cheese.
>
> Kassidy
>
>
> In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Yeah, he is kind of a fuddy-duddy. Burke was such a laid back
> character,
> > it seems odd for his vessel to be so serious about it. Roddy seemed
> to have
> > the healthiest opinion of it all, acknowledging the problems but
> being
> > graceful about how much people enjoyed them all. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
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> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy and Naughton
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> >
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> > > In a message dated 9/18/02 10:18:42 PM, veetus@e... writes:
> > >
> > > << It's not that he doesn't look back fondly on it (they seemed
> to have a
> > > good time), he seems to think it was kind of cheesy and now he'd
> probably
> > > people focus on his success in musical theatre. Though, as he
> said in the
> > > doc, he can't escape from the POTA. >>
> > >
> > > I wish he wouldn't be such a "fuddy-duddy" about it. I really
> like the
> > show
> > > and I think Pete Burke is probably my favorite character. I think
> Naughton
> > > did a great job given the material he had to work with. Too bad
> he doesn't
> > > share my opinion.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy and Naughton

In a message dated 9/19/02 12:24:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Yeah, he is kind of a fuddy-duddy. Burke was such a laid back character,
it seems odd for his vessel to be so serious about it. Roddy seemed to have
the healthiest opinion of it all, acknowledging the problems but being
graceful about how much people enjoyed them all. - - - Jeff

Roddy never seemed to have a truly nasty thing to say about anyone or anything.  In the interview on the BEHIND S.E. DVD (Do the new guys in the group know about that?  Does Kassidy?) he does call the TV show ill-conceived -- and he's right about that.

By the way, here's what I posted on IMDb.com about the TV series (I haven't got around to commenting on the original movie yet.):
Comments index for "Planet of the Apes" (1974)

haristas
USA

Date: 6 August 2002
Summary: ill-conceived and dull

By the time CBS started airing this show on Friday nights in September 1974, the PLANET OF THE APES had really been milked to death. What had been such a unique, intriguing and fun science fiction concept in 1968 when the original film starring Charlton Heston was released, had by the fourth film sequel in 1973 been intellectually emasculated down to barely interesting kiddie fare. Any possible allegorical or satirical take on apes talking had been explored and there was really no place left to go. The producer, Arthur P. Jacobs, wisely called it quits. But then, in September 1973, the original film was shown for the first time on network TV and had a sixty share of that night's audience. APES was suddenly "hot" again, but the fact remained that there were already five films. The resulting TV series ended up being a rather ill-conceived "Fugitive" formula show that only played lip service to the concept's allegorical possibilities by reminding its audience in every episode of the stupidity of prejudice. This got rather trite fast. Also, the makeup for the apes, which had been done well in the original film, was too often applied rather slapdash here due to the rushed nature of TV production, with the result that suspension of disbelief for anybody over the age of ten became quit difficult if not impossible. Series star, Roddy McDowall, veteran of four of the five APES films, had by this time played a chimpanzee in nearly every conceivable way and so opted primarily for whimsy with the character of Galen here. This began to grate quickly as well. The result was that the audience for this show was mostly kids and that demographic couldn't attract the kind of sponsor dollars the network needed, so the show died a merciful death after only fourteen episodes. Any fans of the show now are those kids that loved it then and are on a nostalgia trip. I saw the original film in 1968 when I was eight years old. It was instantly my favorite movie and remains so today, but this TV series should never have been made.

And that's how I feel about it.  Sorry Kassidy.

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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Physiological Defects...

Why are you learning Japanese, T?

Because, much like Pat's posts, I can't get through the subtitles in anime.  I get half way through and their on to the next one.  And I refuse to watch dubbed animes, except the ones on Adult Swim.  When I watch them at home, I do it with one finger on the pause button.  What?  Did you think POTA movies were my only obsession?  Hey, if Hollywood isn't interested in my movie there's always Tokyo.  Though I would feel a bit like Christopher Ryan's character on Ab Fab having to do my movie as a cartoon.  Many Animes are quite good.


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:15 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA question

In BENEATH Lou Wagner gets listed at the end credits, but he's only seen in the footage from PLANET at the beginning, yet Roddy McDowall is also in the footage, but not in the credits at the end.  What's up with that?

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:36 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Naughton and Naughton

In a message dated 9/19/02 1:34:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Wow!  I knew he was a Pepper, but I had no idea they were related.  They look
nothing alike.

You didn't know the two Naughtons were brothers, T?  Little brother David is a chimp in one episode.  Which episode is that, Jeff?

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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Physiological Defects...

I find Anime very hard to watch because it all looks like Speed Racer to me, the fast talking and the style of the art.  And why do the Japs never draw their people to look like Japanese?

Hey, I grew up on Speed Racer!  And 8-Man before that.  There's a reason anime characters look the way they do.  Since W.W.II and Disney animated characters with big eyes are seen as friendlier.  And the reason for all the different hair and eye colors is that in makes the character easier to tell apart.  You can make only so many characters with straight black hair and slanty eyes.  There's also a certain amount of cultural self loathing in Japan.  Most of them would love to be tall and tan with blonde hair and blue eyes, as evidenced by the Girlie Girl movement there. Come to think of it that doesn't sound half bad.  But I think Japanese girls are some of the most beautiful in the world just the way they are.  Not sure about the Anime with kid in the ghost world.  I'll have to look into that.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Space Academy

In a message dated 9/19/02 1:47:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I'd love to see "Space Academy", which featured our own Eric Greene.
Anyone seen that show from the late '70's. I have the actual Eric Greene
action figure. It's great. He hates it! - - - Jeff

I've never even heard of it before I was in this group.  Wasn't it a Saturday morning show?  Remember LAND OF THE LOST?  I used to watch that.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:28 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Land of the Lost"

Sid & Marty Krofft's POTA rip-off.



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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Physiological Defects...

In a message dated 9/19/02 1:45:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

But I think Japanese girls are some of the most beautiful in the world just the way they are. 

Hey T, you're talking to a guy whose favorite James Bond movie is YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.  You don't have to tell me about it.

I grew up on Speed Racer too, and Giagantor (or however it's spelled).  What was the one Jap cartoon from the '60s where the characters that travelled around in a big wheel?

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:43 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] 60's Japanimation OT

What was the one Jap cartoon from the '60s where the characters that travelled around in a big wheel?

I don't recall that one.  I was an 8-Man fan.  He looked and sounded like Racer X, except instead of and X on his chest it was an 8.  He was sort of a half robot half human.  And to recharge his powers he reached into his chest behind the 8 and pulled out an energy cigarette and smoked it.  It went off the air, for obvious reasons.  I recently saw an updated 8-Man, but it was lame and not the same.  Kind of like the new Johnny Quest, which, In my humble opinion (contrary to what my 13 year old nephew thinks) sucks compared to the original.  That's what I liked about Johnny Quest and Speed Racer.  They were the only cartoons where if they drove off a cliff they were, usually, dead meat.  They didn't sugar coat the violence.  It wasn't 3 Stooges slaps or Loony Tunes mallets.  Not to take anything away from them.  But the others were just a different flavor.

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From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:11 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] 60's Japanimation OT

  The creator of the original "Jonny Quest" was the main guy behind the "Apes" cartoon. - - - Jeff

 

 

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From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:43 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] 60's Japanimation OT

What was the one Jap cartoon from the '60s where the characters that travelled around in a big wheel?

I don't recall that one.  I was an 8-Man fan.  He looked and sounded like Racer X, except instead of and X on his chest it was an 8.  He was sort of a half robot half human.  And to recharge his powers he reached into his chest behind the 8 and pulled out an energy cigarette and smoked it.  It went off the air, for obvious reasons.  I recently saw an updated 8-Man, but it was lame and not the same.  Kind of like the new Johnny Quest, which, In my humble opinion (contrary to what my 13 year old nephew thinks) sucks compared to the original.  That's what I liked about Johnny Quest and Speed Racer.  They were the only cartoons where if they drove off a cliff they were, usually, dead meat.  They didn't sugar coat the violence.  It wasn't 3 Stooges slaps or Loony Tunes mallets.  Not to take anything away from them.  But the others were just a different flavor.

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Ragin' Rory:  I am fine with your rather LOUD opinion of the tv series until!  In your review you basically said you have to be a retard to have gotten anything out of the show.  Here I must (believe me, I really must) disagree.   If you don't have the ability to see what's good about the show, that's your deal.  MUST YOU come so close to calling people who did enjoy it NAMES?

Having said that, afterwards you called me cool.  So a cool retard I stubbornly remain. 

It would do you good to write James Naughton a letter like that.  Come down off your high horse or I swear I'll point out every overacted, over-wrought line Chuck had in the original movie (don't make me do it, Rory -- while I do recognize that Chuck was a bit over the top, I have the ability to enjoy it regardless)

Michael, there's a guy who sells videos and he does indeed have the complete "Logan's Run" television series for sale.  However, it is taped from a cable station.  Still, it's available if you want to see it- I bought the 2 hour premiere and the first episode from him.  If you want me to get his address to you, let me know?

Kassidy

That's so true. Some of my favorite movies are bad ones. Though I like to call them cheezy. Some of my favorite 'cheezy movies' are: Evil Dead, Quiet Earth, Night of the Comet, Shreck (NOT Shrek, I hate that movie.), and Bad Taste. :o)

 Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/19/02 12:41:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

Well, you know how I feel about the show.  I loved it.  I look at the
dvds and still love it.  And yes, I know the scripts were in need of
help--especially "Tomorrow's Tide".  Don't care, loved it anyway. I
can watch something and even if it's flawed, it doesn't ruin the
good: the three leads, the music, and always always the apes.  You
can't tell me those guys didn't rise above some of the lines they had
to work with.

I do know one other thing, and that is Mr. Naughton's son Greg loved
the show.  He loved the set, and riding. Can you imagine how great
that must have been to a kid?

By the way, if you want to look at a really bad sci-fi series at
around the same time, check out "Logan's Run".  I loved it back then,

> In a message dated 9/19/02 6:07:47 PM Eastern Daylight

> writes:
>
>
> > I LOVED the TV show because as somebody said earlier , it

> > apes...apes...apes...anything about the apes was GREAT! I

> > and
> > they are still great just because it's apes......it's apes I'm tellin'

> >
> >
>
> Some of you TV show fans I just don't understand. One of the

> with the show was NOT ENOUGH APES. We were almost

> problems humans were having. Who cares about humans,

>
> -- Rory

>
>
>
> Ragin' Rory: I am fine with your rather LOUD opinion of the tv

> Having said that, afterwards you called me cool. So a cool retard

> It would do you good to write James Naughton a letter like that.

> Michael, there's a guy who sells videos and he does indeed have the

> Kassidy
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------

The Associated Press
Sept. 17, 2002
SEDONA - Character actor James Gregory, who played Inspector Lugar for eight seasons on television's "Barney Miller," died Monday. He was 90.
Gregory died in his home in Sedona as the result of an undisclosed terminal illness, niece Larain Gregory-LaMonte said Tuesday.
In the late 70's and early 80's, Gregory was well known for his role as Inspector Lugar during eight seasons on "Barney Miller" series. He also appeared in 25 Broadway shows, including a stint as "Biff" in "Death of a Salesman."
Among the actor's 30 film credits were the Elvis Presley vehicle "Clambake" in 1967 and the 1965 western "Sons of Katie Elder" with John Wayne and Dean Martin. In 1962, Gregory played Senator John Iselin in the acclaimed "Manchurian Candidate."
Gregory-LaMonte said Gregory, who had no children of his own, was a "second father" to nieces and nephews and was always gracious towards the many fans who approached him in public.
"We would go out to dinner and people would always say, 'I know who you are,"' she said from Malibu, Calif. "They would reel off the movies they had seen with him, but they wouldn't always remember his name. He always loved it and welcomed it with open arms when anyone would come up to him."
Sedona Funeral Home Manager Phil Harrison said it has not been determined when the funeral will take place.
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Physiological Defects...

In a message dated 9/18/02 9:48:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Was it really a screw-up. When they made Beneath they didn't know
that they'd be making Escape and the others. Its more of a case
where they wrote themselves into a corner because they didn't know
what the future held.

I think it was a screw-up because Dehn didn't seem to read in Boulle's book were it took generations for the apes to take over.  He should have somehow shown that New York City was destroyed in a nuclear war that took place a long time after the astronauts left.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:36 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] James Gregory RIP

In a message dated 9/18/02 10:14:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  If you count Heston's news and the new movie, POTA is cursed! Etc. - - - Jeff

And Arthur P. Jacobs dying of a heart attack at whatever early age he was.  Oh, boy!!!  The next thing you know is there will be a plague on dogs and cats, then a nuclear war, then the earth will belong to those damn dirty apes!!!!  And then things will really get bad.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:40 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy and Naughton

Well, you know how I feel about the show.  I loved it.  I look at the
dvds and still love it.  And yes, I know the scripts were in need of
help--especially "Tomorrow's Tide".  Don't care, loved it anyway. I
can watch something and even if it's flawed, it doesn't ruin the
good: the three leads, the music, and always always the apes.  You
can't tell me those guys didn't rise above some of the lines they had
to work with.

I do know one other thing, and that is Mr. Naughton's son Greg loved
the show.  He loved the set, and riding. Can you imagine how great
that must have been to a kid?

By the way, if you want to look at a really bad sci-fi series at
around the same time, check out "Logan's Run".  I loved it back then,
but whew is it poor.  Still, I like watching it.  Who knows why? 
Don't whiz on my cheese.

Kassidy


In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   Yeah, he is kind of a fuddy-duddy. Burke was such a laid back
character,
> it seems odd for his vessel to be so serious about it. Roddy seemed
to have
> the healthiest opinion of it all, acknowledging the problems but
being
> graceful about how much people enjoyed them all. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy and Naughton
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/18/02 10:18:42 PM, veetus@e... writes:
> >
> > << It's not that he doesn't look back fondly on it (they seemed
to have a
> > good time), he seems to think it was kind of cheesy and now he'd
probably
> > people focus on his success in musical theatre. Though, as he
said in the
> > doc, he can't escape from the POTA. >>
> >
> > I wish he wouldn't be such a "fuddy-duddy" about it. I really
like the
> show
> > and I think Pete Burke is probably my favorite character. I think
Naughton
> > did a great job given the material he had to work with. Too bad
he doesn't
> > share my opinion.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

> >
> >



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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:02 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Physiological Defects...

  The Japanese LOVE POTA. Why don't they get a shot at making a movie? They got to do the action figures and blew us away. And of course they did a better "Godzilla" then we did. - - - Jeff

 

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 10:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Physiological Defects...

Why are you learning Japanese, T?

Because, much like Pat's posts, I can't get through the subtitles in anime.  I get half way through and their on to the next one.  And I refuse to watch dubbed animes, except the ones on Adult Swim.  When I watch them at home, I do it with one finger on the pause button.  What?  Did you think POTA movies were my only obsession?  Hey, if Hollywood isn't interested in my movie there's always Tokyo.  Though I would feel a bit like Christopher Ryan's character on Ab Fab having to do my movie as a cartoon.  Many Animes are quite good.


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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:08 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Crazy Jeff

In a message dated 9/19/02 2:01:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

The Japanese LOVE POTA. Why don't they get a shot at making a movie? They got to do the action figures and blew us away. And of course they did a better "Godzilla" then we did. - - - Jeff

I remember when my brother and I saw KING KONG vs. GODZILLA when we were kids.  We laughed our asses off!   Krueger!!!  The Japs had their shot with TIME OF THE APES!!!!   You know, Jeff, between this post and you telling us all the time about how you play with your Krubrick figures, I think it's time you went back on the meds.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 2:28 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] "Land of the Lost"

Sid & Marty Krofft's POTA rip-off.



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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:43 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] 60's Japanimation OT

What was the one Jap cartoon from the '60s where the characters that travelled around in a big wheel?

I don't recall that one.  I was an 8-Man fan.  He looked and sounded like Racer X, except instead of and X on his chest it was an 8.  He was sort of a half robot half human.  And to recharge his powers he reached into his chest behind the 8 and pulled out an energy cigarette and smoked it.  It went off the air, for obvious reasons.  I recently saw an updated 8-Man, but it was lame and not the same.  Kind of like the new Johnny Quest, which, In my humble opinion (contrary to what my 13 year old nephew thinks) sucks compared to the original.  That's what I liked about Johnny Quest and Speed Racer.  They were the only cartoons where if they drove off a cliff they were, usually, dead meat.  They didn't sugar coat the violence.  It wasn't 3 Stooges slaps or Loony Tunes mallets.  Not to take anything away from them.  But the others were just a different flavor.

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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Bashing Boulle?!!!!

In a message dated 9/19/02 9:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I don't blame Dehn for not reading Boulle's book, it wasn't all that great.  And don't forget, a lot of POWs are also pissed at him for Bridge on the River Kwai.

OH, NO!!!!   You haven't just posted what you just posted, have you?  OK, some POWs may have been pissed at "The Bridge Over the River Kwai," that's their problem, but "La Planete des singes" "wasn't all that great"?!!!!

You're MAD!  Hopelessly MAD!!!!!

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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] James Gregory RIP

In a message dated 9/19/02 10:00:28 PM, rcisak@... writes:

<< What I could never understand from RETURN is how three apes from a
civilization that hadn't yet managed to use internal combustion engines
figured out how to run a spacecraft.  And I'm pretty sure that after sitting
in the bottom of a lake, none of the electronics would have worked. >>

Don't you mean ESCAPE? RETURN was the cartoon where apes were drivin' and
flyin' all over the place!



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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series , Logan's Run, etc


> Man..85 emails from POTA group...don't you people have lives?!?!?
>
> here's my catching up thoughts.....
>
> Could we ever convince "them" to put out the cartoon series on DVD? every
> copy i've seen of them are almost unwatchable (because of picture
> quality.....)
>
> I LOVED the TV show because as somebody said earlier , it was
> apes...apes...apes...anything about the apes was GREAT! I watch them now
and
> they are still great just because it's apes......it's apes I'm tellin' ya!
>
> Logan's Run The mOvie...loved it...still do.....
> Logan's Run The TV Show-hated it...don't want to see it again.....
>
> Anybody got a pic of Eric Greene in "Space Academy"? did he used to be an
> actor? what's his story anyhow?
>
> JAPANESE
>
GIRLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> That's all for now........
> tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series , Logan's Run, etc

Could we ever convince "them" to put out the cartoon series on DVD? every
copy i've seen of them are almost unwatchable (because of picture
quality.....)

Whatever happened to Alex's DVD projects?
Anyone heard from him lately?  I know he was
having some difficulties with the cartoons.  But
what about the POTA Extars and Beneath Uncut?

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:34 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Land of the Lost"

I hated that show - in grammar school, everyone turned my last name into "Sleestack"

And so it shall be, from now on.
Take it easy there, Sleestack.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Old TV shows

In a message dated 9/19/02 10:04:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

When I was a kid, I was completely hooked on the Six Million Dollar Man, so much so, that I made my mother get me a leisure suit, because that's what Steve Austin wore.  A few years ago, I happened to catch a re-run on the Sci-Fi Channel. Blechhh - I had lousy taste as a kid! :)

Now this is going WAY back, but when I was a kid I used to love THE MAN FROM U.N.C.L.E.   I even had Napoleon Solo and Illya Kuryakin dolls, but now when I see it -- LAME!

By the way, APES associate producer Mort Abrahams also produced a few seasons of THE MAN FROM UNCLE.  I wanted to get that in before Jeff did.

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Mighty Patrick

In a message dated 9/19/02 10:00:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

What I could never understand from RETURN is how three apes from a civilization that hadn't yet managed to use internal combustion engines figured out how to run a spacecraft.  And I'm pretty sure that after sitting in the bottom of a lake, none of the electronics would have worked.

Of course, but you're not supposed to think about that.  HOWEVER, I'm sure the mighty PATRICK MICHAEL TILTON has thought about it, and if we're very, very lucky he will give us his musings on this subject.  Stay tuned.

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series, Rory dear, Logan's Run, etc

In a message dated 9/19/02 7:31:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Yes, Rory sure can be mean can't he?  But I guess a cool retard beats
an uncool retard....

Kassidy, thanks for the kind offer but I'll wait for the official
release of the Logan's Run TV Series (particularly since you say it
is garbage).

You know, I struggle to watch poor quality TV these days.  Thanks to
DVD, I would almost forego watching something unless it is of
excellent quality.

You would have to be a complete retard to watch low quality TV, but
you would be very cool for bing brave enough to do so.

Michael

I guess i do sound mean in these posting, but I'm just bluntly saying what I think.  People who tell the truth as they see it always have problems because other people don't find it pleasant, but I'm willing to pay the price, which is in this group is to just take the same treatment from someone else.  I can deal with it.  This makes these postings more interesting, I think.  I've never been out to silence anyone.  Look at Patrick, I've screwed with him plenty, but I still find him interesting.

As for watching poor quality video. . . . I first got spoiled by laserdisc, now with DVD I really can't stand to look at dubbed stuff.  I still have a VHS VCR and record shows in SP, but that's as low as I go.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:17 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series, Rory dear, Logan's Run, etc

In a message dated 9/19/02 8:42:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

So, I don't know if this has been discussed before (probably), but
WAS there anywhere left to go with POTA by the time it became a tv
series?   

They coulda delved deeper into the Apes culture itself for a start... It also coulda showed more of the de-evolution of humanity (had they had them mutes to begin with though, then this option would be moot...)

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Bashing Boulle?!!!!

In a message dated 9/19/02 9:54:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

I don't blame Dehn for not reading Boulle's book, it wasn't all that great.  And don't forget, a lot of POWs are also pissed at him for Bridge on the River Kwai.

OH, NO!!!!   You haven't just posted what you just posted, have you?  OK, some POWs may have been pissed at "The Bridge Over the River Kwai," that's their problem, but "La Planete des singes" "wasn't all that great"?!!!!

You're MAD!  Hopelessly MAD!!!!!

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:27 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series, Rory dear, Logan's Run, etc

I still have a VHS VCR and record shows in SP, but that's as low as I go.

Don't worry Rory...DVR is on the way.  People are already cracking open their TiVo's and hotrodding them to record for 200 hours!

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> Oh, no, what did I start?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Mighty Patrick
>
>
> In a message dated 9/19/02 10:00:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>
>
>
> What I could never understand from RETURN is how three apes

>
>
>
> Of course, but you're not supposed to think about that. HOWEVER,

>
>
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>
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----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Mighty Patrick

Tell 'em about the mothership Patrick!

Michael


--- "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@...> wrote:
> Oh, no, what did I start?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Haristas@...
>   To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Mighty Patrick
>
>
>   In a message dated 9/19/02 10:00:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rcisak@... writes:
>
>
>
>     What I could never understand from RETURN is how three apes
from a civilization that hadn't yet managed to use internal
combustion engines figured out how to run a spacecraft.  And I'm
pretty sure that after sitting in the bottom of a lake, none of the
electronics would have worked.
>
>
>
>   Of course, but you're not supposed to think about that.  HOWEVER,
I'm sure the mighty PATRICK MICHAEL TILTON has thought about it, and
if we're very, very lucky he will give us his musings on this
subject.  Stay tuned.
>        
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> Naw, I can watch it all. Someone sent me the old "Quark" TV show

> ooks horrendous (wasn't as funny as I remembered it, either) but I

> it. I have to really love a movie to rebuy it on DVD if I already

> on VHS. I have the complete run of "Soap" on VHS I'm currently

> h since it's the 25th anniversary. Can't wait for the DVDs. - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series, Rory dear, Logan's

>
>
> In a message dated 9/19/02 7:31:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> one.com.au writes:
>
>
>
> Yes, Rory sure can be mean can't he? But I guess a cool retard

> an uncool retard....
>
> Kassidy, thanks for the kind offer but I'll wait for the

> release of the Logan's Run TV Series (particularly since you

> is garbage).
>
> You know, I struggle to watch poor quality TV these days.

> DVD, I would almost forego watching something unless it is of
> excellent quality.
>
> You would have to be a complete retard to watch low quality TV,

> you would be very cool for bing brave enough to do so.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> I guess i do sound mean in these posting, but I'm just bluntly

> t I think. People who tell the truth as they see it always have

> ecause other people don't find it pleasant, but I'm willing to pay

> e, which is in this group is to just take the same treatment from

> lse. I can deal with it. This makes these postings more

> ink. I've never been out to silence anyone. Look at Patrick, I've

> with him plenty, but I still find him interesting.
>
> As for watching poor quality video. . . . I first got spoiled by

> c, now with DVD I really can't stand to look at dubbed stuff. I

> a VHS VCR and record shows in SP, but that's as low as I go.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>

> Mothership? Mothership? This I gotta hear!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: whitty@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Mighty Patrick
>
>
> Tell 'em about the mothership Patrick!
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@...> wrote:
> > Oh, no, what did I start?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@...
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Mighty Patrick
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/19/02 10:00:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rcisak@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > What I could never understand from RETURN is how three apes
> from a civilization that hadn't yet managed to use internal
> combustion engines figured out how to run a spacecraft. And I'm
> pretty sure that after sitting in the bottom of a lake, none of

> electronics would have worked.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course, but you're not supposed to think about that.

> I'm sure the mighty PATRICK MICHAEL TILTON has thought about it,

> if we're very, very lucky he will give us his musings on this
> subject. Stay tuned.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of

>

----- Original Message -----
From: <kidro85@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:24 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Dvds from Alex


> I also heard that battle is the only DVD he made, but did anybody recieve
one
> yet?
> Urko
>
>
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>
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>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:40 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series, Rory dear, Logan's Run, etc

In a message dated 9/19/02 11:37:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Naw, I can watch it all. Someone sent me the old "Quark" TV show and it looks horrendous (wasn't as funny as I remembered it, either) but I can take it. I have to really love a movie to rebuy it on DVD if I already have it on VHS. I have the complete run of "Soap" on VHS I'm currently going through since it's the 25th anniversary. Can't wait for the DVDs. - - Jeff

They're re-running SOAP on the TV Land cable channel.

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> In a message dated 9/19/02 11:38:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> rcisak@... writes:
>
>
> > Mothership? Mothership? This I gotta hear!
> >
>
> That was the one from Patrick that really sent me over the edge.

> there was a Mothership in orbit around the planet all during

> adventure in the first film, and that that's where Brent's ship

> from. It's crazy, I tell you.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series, Rory dear, Logan's Run, etc


> "Soap" was hilarious. I recall that show as one of the first
> American "comedies" that actually made me laugh. Prior to that the
> British got all my giggles, but these days the US Shows are excellent.
>
> Michael
>
> --- <veetus@...> wrote:
> > Naw, I can watch it all. Someone sent me the old "Quark" TV show
> and it l
> > ooks horrendous (wasn't as funny as I remembered it, either) but I
> can take
> > it. I have to really love a movie to rebuy it on DVD if I already
> have it
> > on VHS. I have the complete run of "Soap" on VHS I'm currently
> going throug
> > h since it's the 25th anniversary. Can't wait for the DVDs. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@...
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] tv series, Rory dear, Logan's
> Run, etc
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/19/02 7:31:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@cyber
> > one.com.au writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, Rory sure can be mean can't he? But I guess a cool retard
> beats
> > an uncool retard....
> >
> > Kassidy, thanks for the kind offer but I'll wait for the
> official
> > release of the Logan's Run TV Series (particularly since you
> say it
> > is garbage).
> >
> > You know, I struggle to watch poor quality TV these days.
> Thanks to
> > DVD, I would almost forego watching something unless it is of
> > excellent quality.
> >
> > You would have to be a complete retard to watch low quality TV,
> but
> > you would be very cool for bing brave enough to do so.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess i do sound mean in these posting, but I'm just bluntly
> saying wha
> > t I think. People who tell the truth as they see it always have
> problems b
> > ecause other people don't find it pleasant, but I'm willing to pay
> the pric
> > e, which is in this group is to just take the same treatment from
> someone e
> > lse. I can deal with it. This makes these postings more
> interesting, I th
> > ink. I've never been out to silence anyone. Look at Patrick, I've
> screwed
> > with him plenty, but I still find him interesting.
> >
> > As for watching poor quality video. . . . I first got spoiled by
> laserdis
> > c, now with DVD I really can't stand to look at dubbed stuff. I
> still have
> > a VHS VCR and record shows in SP, but that's as low as I go.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 11:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Mighty Patrick

In a message dated 9/19/02 11:38:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

Mothership? Mothership?  This I gotta hear!

That was the one from Patrick that really sent me over the edge.  He says there was a Mothership in orbit around the planet all during Taylor's adventure in the first film, and that that's where Brent's ship came down from.  It's crazy, I tell you.

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> In a message dated 9/19/02 11:25:12 AM Central Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
>
> > So, I don't know if this has been discussed before (probably),

> > WAS there anywhere left to go with POTA by the time it became a

> > series?
> >
>
> They coulda delved deeper into the Apes culture itself for a

> coulda showed more of the de-evolution of humanity (had they had

> to begin with though, then this option would be moot...)
>

> In a message dated 9/19/02 5:07:14 PM Central Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
>
> > Could we ever convince "them" to put out the cartoon series on

> > copy i've seen of them are almost unwatchable (because of picture
> > quality.....)
>
> I have written several letters to Fox on this subject, and I've yet

> any type of reply from them... Actually, I included that request as

> "after- thought" to the main reason I wrote them, that being to

> "5-STAR" version of Planet, and a "Directors cut" of Conquest (and

> death of J. Lee, this probably won't become a reality, unless they

> something with him before his passing... That, or if they'd release

> original cut they showed to the test audiences... I'd guess they'd

> cut in their vaults somewhere...)
>
> Anyway, if you want to convince "them," all ya can do is write

> probably falling upon deaf ears for the most part, but it's about

> do...
>
> Michael Dunn, Exec. VP. Mktg. & Sales
> 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment Inc.
> 2121 Avenue of the Stars, 25th floor
> Los Angeles, CA 90067-5010
>
> Fox Home Entertainment
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