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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] More funkified

When leaving for a few days of fun in the Forbidden Zone be sure to stop by the Waffle House.

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From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] More funkified

What I always loved about that map - what happened to Staten Island?

That was gound zero for the bomb, of course.
Where do you thinl the sand to bury the Statue of Liberty came from?

> We have to remember this year to make November 25th a special day.

> a Monday (Blah!) this year. What should we do?
>
> [Unable to display image]
>

> In a message dated 9/24/02 1:23:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > We should all meet in Florida, dressed in full ape regalia, and

> > banners saying "The end is nigh" and "Taylor is coming"
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
> Why Florida? I was thinking more in terms of we all work out when

> watch POTA at the same time, then we all start watching it and get

> check with each other to make sure.... What am I thinking? This

>

> In a message dated 9/24/02 1:38:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > How did you get Taylor to flip the bird?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
> I captured it from that POTA funkified. Now I know you haven't

> What's your problem?
>

> In a message dated 9/24/02 1:51:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > I get NO time to myself at home, so it could be a while......
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
>
> You should be working at work. Are you looking to get fired?!!!!

> get home tell everybody to go to hell, "Daddy's on POTA time!"
>

>
>
>
> Here's another shot of Brent's ship. So, what is the structure

> out of the wreckage? Is it a landing leg?
>
> [Unable to display image]
>
>

> In a message dated 9/24/02 2:07:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > That's a good theory about when I get home, but there are far

> > consequences if I don't pull my weight there.
> >
> >
>
> Worse consequences from whom? The wifey? What have you gotten

> into?
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 11:09 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] 11/25

In a message dated 9/24/02 2:07:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

That's a good theory about when I get home, but there are far worse
consequences if I don't pull my weight there.

Worse consequences from whom?  The wifey?  What have you gotten yourself into?

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From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA "chaloupes"...


> They live on Space Sticks - who needs a kitchen?
>
> And they have a high tech hole in the side of the ship out of which
> they poo and wee.
>
> And that only took me two lines to explain.
>
> Michael
>
> --- "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:
> > --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> > > "how 4 astronauts could survive for 6 months (prior to going into
> their "deep sleep") in the cramped quarters seen in the opening
> scenes. " Haven't you seen pictures on the inside of Mir and Space
> Station Alpha? Cosmonauts have lived inside of Mir for over a year,
> which is just as cramped as Heston's ship.
> >
> > *** There's a lot more room on Mir (or, there WAS until it fried up
> in
> > the atmosphere) and the Space Station than is seen to be available
> on
> > the Taylor-&-Brent-type ships.
> >
> > I'll ask it again: Where's the Bathroom? Where's the Kitchen? Is
> there
> > room in that ship for cargo to sustain 4 people for 6 months (and,
> > presumably, for at least the first month they spend at their
> > destination once they wake up from hibernation)? If you look at the
> > ship in BENEATH, which is probably a "sister-ship" to the one seen
> in
> > PLANET, then there ain't enough room for all those extra
> necessaries.
> > All that junk behind the part visible above the water seems to me
> to
> > consist of 1.) LANDING GEAR (the 3 tripodal legs), 2.) THE ROCKET
> > ENGINE'S EXHAUST BELL (clearly visible in the middle of that
> hexagonal
> > truss to which are connected those 3 landing legs), and 3.) THE
> FUEL
> > TANK ASSEMBLY (after all, the rocket had to have burned fuel to
> slow
> > its descent; too bad something went fubar and made it flop onto
> it's
> > belly, requiring Brent to put out an engine fuel fire with that
> fire
> > extinguisher).
> > Between the "back wall" of what can be seen in the cabin of the
> ship
> > in PLANET (with that pressure hatch in the middle), and the fuel
> tank
> > assembly (which can be seen aft of the side "wings" of the BENEATH
> > ship), there isn't much room there at all--most certainly not for a
> > BATHROOM and a KITCHEN (or should I call them the "Head" and the
> > "Mess" since it's a military mission?) and a CARGO HOLD. Since the
> > tripodal landing legs are where they are, it's obvious that the
> ship
> > Brent (crash)landed was supposed to land with the nosecone pointed
> > straight up in the air, like a Christmas tree on its stand. One
> > wonders, then, how Brent & Skipper were supposed to get out of
> their
> > ship--and I think the answer is that there is a small airlock
> behind
> > that "back wall" of the cabin, and a hatch leading from it to the
> > outside on the underside of the vessel, which could not be used for
> > egress, of course, with the ship flopped onto its belly. It was
> THIS
> > unfortunate circumstance which necessitated Brent leaving the ship
> > through the same forward escape hatch which Taylor's crew had to
> use
> > (since their aftward area was flooded, making his ship angle up in
> the
> > water, neither floating flat--like the capsule in ESCAPE--nor
> bobbing
> > like a buoy straight up).
> >
> > I consider these ANSA ships to be shuttlecraft. They are
> spaceplanes,
> > able to descend from an orbiting ship (like the Galileo 7 from the
> > U.S.S. ENTERPRISE), landing on their tripods, with enough fuel left
> > for at least one more re-ascent into orbit. That should be obvious,
> > because Milo finds one of these ships and is able to reach orbit--
> > AFTER that ship had first landed FROM orbit.
> >
> > Feel free to argue for what you consider to be a more plausible
> > explanation, though.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------ ---------------------
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> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/ySSFAA/9_IolB/TM
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> -~->
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Precious Cargo

In a message dated 9/23/02 7:17:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

My wife told me she thinks I am insane.
I think she has a point.

Michael

And your kids saw you in the shower the next morning and said, "Dad, we knew you were insane, but now we can see your nuts!

On Tuesday, September 24, 2002, at 01:03 AM, Haristas@... wrote:

> Here's another shot of Brent's ship. So, what is the structure
> sticking up out of the wreckage? Is it a landing leg?

> OK, nows here's a picture of Brent's ship after it has crashed. How

> think this ship was landing?

> So in other words, our planet is being orbited by, um,
>well I'd rather not think about it... lol. Imagine it,
>one day, one of our billion dollar space stations is
>going to be damaged by high velocity orbiting turd torpedoes!

Well Mike I have two girls, 2 and 5.  Cannot imagine having four!  I was just going to rush in here and defend you re: the consequences of not working at home, but you already did it yourself.  By the way, that was a nice side-step about the wife... well done.

Jeff are you the toodles guy?  Or the etc guy?  Never mind.  I'll just call you "Goob" from now on. 

Toodles, Mr. Etc.

It's kinda sad really. I guess trashing the planet isn't enough for us, we've gotta trash space as well. :o(

 Alan Maxwell wrote:

>>

> Ayatollah of PotAollh. The Chief Defender of Natalie Trundy. The

> ONLY, the former Toodles, old Veetus and Willie Joe HIMSELF!
> Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeefffffffffffffffffffffff
> KRueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr!!!!!
>
> And don't you forget it.
>
> -- Little ol' me :)

----- Original Message -----

From: whitty@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:36 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] 11/25

I thought all the REAL ape fans lived in Florida...

Like Alex - remember him?

Alex...where are you?

Are you really Rory, created as a pseudonym?  Hmmm.......  Rory is
very good at posting pitures.

How did you get Taylor to flip the bird?

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/24/02 1:23:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > We should all meet in Florida, dressed in full ape regalia, and
hold
> > banners saying "The end is nigh" and "Taylor is coming"
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
> Why Florida?  I was thinking more in terms of we all work out when
we can all
> watch POTA at the same time, then we all start watching it and get
on line to
> check with each other to make sure....  What am I thinking?  This
is silly.
>




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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:57 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA question

OK, nows here's a picture of Brent's ship after it has crashed.  How do you think this ship was landing?  Vertically or Horizontally.  I think it might have been vertically and it landed hard and fell over.  We really don't know how the "Icarus" was supposed to land.




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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:18 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) I Am Legend

Remember a while ago we were talking about I AM LEDEND and the movies based on it.  The idea of doing yet another version seems to still be alive and at Dark Horizons.com this was posted today, a review of the script that started it all.  It would be cool to see this movie made, but these days you know somehow they'd screw it up.


Script Review: I AM LEGEND
Written by Mark Protosevich

Reviewed by Christopher Wehner (9/24/02)

MINOR SPOILERS!

NOTE: The screenplays we review are often in development and may experience many rewrites, some could end up being completely different than what is reviewed here. It is our hope that our reviews generate more interest in the film. Thank you. 

Mark Protosevich's I Am Legend script is based on the novel by Richard Matheson, and is quite simply one of the better screenplays I've read in a long time. It's easily one of the best sci-fi screenplays I've ever read.

Despite the script being very good, it most likely has little chance of ever being seen at a theater near you any time soon. In 1996 Warner Bros. optioned Protosevich's spec screenplay The Cell, and were so impressed with the writing they offered him the opportunity to do the adaptation of Matheson's novel, which they owned the rights to.

Since 1996 numerous Hollywood icons have considered starring, directing, or producing the project. Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted to star and Ridley Scott wanted to direct. Somehow Arnold thought he would be better served doing End of Days and The 6th Day (oh well) and Ridely Scott decided to do Gladiator and Black Hawk Down, which were obviously good moves. Others who were once rumored to be considering the project include Kurt Russel and director Rob Bowman. Last year Will Smith said he was interested, Schwarzenegger now wants to produce, and Michael Bay wants to direct. So what does all this mean? I don't have the foggiest idea. But what I do know is that at least one version of the script is very good.

During the last six years the script has experienced numerous rewrites, apparently most of them by John Logan who Ridely Scott hired (later he would bring Logan in for work on the Gladiator script.) But the script that everyone keeps turning back to is Protosevich's first draft. According to reports, Ridley Scott and John Logan had a very different view of the material than Protosevich.

Warner Bros. almost gave up on the project at least twice since 1997 due do financial problems, budget projections, and script concerns. Other writers rumored to be involved in rewrites include Neil Jimenez and Tracy Torme.

With the prospect that maybe the stars might align for I Am Legend, and the fact that the script just blew me away, I was compelled to write this short article about Protosevich's excellent script.

Richard Matheson's novel took an interesting point of view in regard to vampires, making it one of the most influential vampire novels of the 20th century. Written in 1954 one could say it was almost revolutionary as a horror story. In Matheson's book a lone human being is left on earth (Robert Neville). He is being hunted by pale-skinned, white-fanged creatures with an insatiable thirst for blood. Much like typical vampire legends, they were susceptible to garlic, water, sunlight, crucifixes, and of course a wooden stake through the heart. Neville was very much the tortured hero having lost his wife and daughter to a blood disease that afflicted the entire planet. Neville spends his days gathering supplies and armaments, and his nights confined to his fortified home while the creatures harass him non-stop until sunrise.

Matheson's novel inspired many films (The Last Man on Earth, The Omega Man for example) and he himself even wrote an adaptation of the book. The idea of some kind of blood condition that turns people into these creatures is a plot element that many of the stories share, including Protosevich's script. However, none of these previous efforts equal Protosevich's haunting, mesmerizing, and poignant screenplay about a man who believes he is the last surviving human being on earth, and every night has to fend off demons (both physically and psychologically) and avoid literally going insane or being killed.

The story opens with what I can only guess would be some superimposed text telling of the advancements in Genetic Research that have allowed scientists to use viruses linked to healthy cells to destroy and replace diseased cells in patients afflicted with cancer.

Then a video image, Robert Neville talking, documenting the date "October 17th… 2002." He goes on to tell us when and where he was born, about his wife and his previous life.

The script is set in San Francisco, which is refreshing since everyone seems to want to set it Los Angeles—as if we haven't seen that city destroyed enough times. As Neville does his morning routine we notice he is a physical specimen covered with noticeable "SCARS." Some of them look like bites. He has seen his share of fighting. We later learn he is AB Negative and immune to the virus.

Neville's only companion is his dog. Together they leave the fortress in a highly modified Range Rover and enter the ruins of San Francisco. Protosevich gives us a haunting and eerie description of a defunct civilization.

Neville enters the city and stops at a radio station for his daily broadcast: "Big Bob Neville here this morning, as I am every morning. Traffic? There is none. Weather? Who cares. News? I'm still alive. What about you?"

He leaves the station and continues his rounds. He tells anyone who is still alive to meet him in the park at high noon, but no one is ever there. He is for all practical purposes, the last man on earth. Surrounded by death, waiting for death, and in a way looking forward to it.

Neville is heavily armed with automatic hand guns and an M-16 machine gun. He stops somewhere downtown to check traps he sets for the monsters—which we come to know as "Hemocytes." In one trap has a dangling human body ensnared, or so it seems. Upon inspection Neville realizes he has fallen into a trap when a sniper in a nearby building opens fire on him. Somehow he avoids being shot and scurries into the building. Unaware that Neville is close by the sniper is cornered in the room. Neville subdues the sniper who is strangely bound up in heavy clothes and has his face almost completely covered. After pinning the sniper to the ground Neville removes a scarf revealing a ghastly sight:

"A demonic visage. Ghostly white flesh so devoid of pigment we can see the blue and purple veins beneath the surface. His eyes are an unearthly cold blue/grey and white. He is completely hairless--nothing on his pate, no brows, no facial hair. His lips a deep ruby red. This thing was once human, but now…"

These creatures are not your typical vampires -- they are not zombies either -- but something horrific and fierce. They posses superhuman strength, are intelligent and fairly sophisticated. Don't think Night of the Living Dead, think more aesthetic. These creatures can regenerate when not mortally wounded. One description after a female Hemocyte drinks the blood of a fallen comrade is chilling: "Dark blood covers her chin and chest, but as she walks, the liquid crawls across her skin into her mouth. It seems to give mass and power to her body and rich color to her translucent skin."

When these creatures come at night they surround Neville's compound (his modified house that stands on a hill) and begin chanting and beating drums. The screenwriter describes it as, "AN EERIE MOAN. Low, resonant. A CHANT. Far in the distance. Beyond the walls, beyond the fence. The MOANING INTESIFIES." Then slowly and methodically they try to get into the house.

Neville is effected by their persistent cries. He plays loud music. He keeps tabs on his visitors by watching monitors while his dog patrols an inside perimeter protected by a barbwire fence and a moat. Whenever an intruder is detected the dog alerts Neville.

The Hemocytes have a leader, a kind of king, who is called Cortman. Not a very demonic name. But as the story unfolds we learn more about him and who he was.

The screenwriter had to overcome some significant obstacles to make this story work. Much like Tom Hank's character in Cast Away, a lot of this story is a one man show. Neville is almost always alone. Whether in his house or roaming the empty streets of San Francisco, he has no one to talk to except his dog. The exposition has to carry the story, and this is a hard thing to pull off.

Protosevich had to keep the narrative moving with a lot of action. He cleverly establishes character by showing us how Neville lives, and what he deals with on a daily basis. The effect is an enthralling story of one man's plight into near madness while trying to avoid death. All the while you wonder why he just doesn't give up and spare himself all the anguish? But the answer to that question reveals one of the themes of the story.

The screenwriter crafted a strong narrative that is engrossing. Neville is the classic tortured hero who discovers that he isn't alone, and by trying to save others he risks his own life. He discovers a women, Anna, who is also AB Negative (as any survivor would have to be) and he takes her in. But he learns she's not the only one. There are more who are kept by the Hemocytes in their underground lairs as a food source.

How Protosevich slowly injects the backstory via video recordings and other materials that Neville makes or watches is effective and actually helps move the story along. Sometimes flashbacks can grind a story to a halt (or pull you too far out of the main narrative) and he avoids that problem. Because the question is so consuming ("How did this happen?"), the slow introduction of the background served to heighten the suspense. I thought Protosvich's interpretation of the virus and how it infects everyone, and how it mutates and spreads, was convincing and almost disturbing. Some very effective writing.

Without revealing major plot elements and other details (which I won't do) I can't really do the entire script justice. I think I have been able to give you a sense of how inventive and dynamic the story is. It's not just a horror story about vampires—for they aren't really vampires at all.

The script is vibrant and literally comes alive on the pages. The screenwriter sets the mood and tone of the story and neatly constructs a theoretical future that is poignant. This script is further evidence that a script need not be just a blueprint for a movie. It can be visual and lucid. It can become something much more.

Until next time.

--Chris





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> Recently Rory asked a question about where you could have gone in

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>
> I actually made a lengthy response that was lost in the electronic
> domain.
>
> Essentially, I believe the first movie contained cues for a sequel
> that were not addressed. One that WAS addressed was the Forbidden
> Zone, but I feel there is still much that could be uncovered there.
>
> One that was NOT addressed was the trial of Cornelius and Zira.
>
> Anyone have any more?
>
> Any ideas on what could have been in the Forbidden Zone other than
> Mutants? Obviously, it was a hot spot for "in your face" evidence

> mankind's prior dominance, so what might you have included in the
> Forbidden Zone if Beneath had not yet been scripted?
>
> I still like the idea of a sequel to the original movie. Maybe

> could be a twist at the end where Brent's ship lands.....
>
> Michael
>
>
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From: Richard Cisak Jr.

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) I Am Legend

Here's the screenplay they're talking about.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:18 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) I Am Legend

Remember a while ago we were talking about I AM LEDEND and the movies based on it.  The idea of doing yet another version seems to still be alive and at Dark Horizons.com this was posted today, a review of the script that started it all.  It would be cool to see this movie made, but these days you know somehow they'd screw it up.


Script Review: I AM LEGEND
Written by Mark Protosevich

Reviewed by Christopher Wehner (9/24/02)

MINOR SPOILERS!

NOTE: The screenplays we review are often in development and may experience many rewrites, some could end up being completely different than what is reviewed here. It is our hope that our reviews generate more interest in the film. Thank you. 

Mark Protosevich's I Am Legend script is based on the novel by Richard Matheson, and is quite simply one of the better screenplays I've read in a long time. It's easily one of the best sci-fi screenplays I've ever read.

Despite the script being very good, it most likely has little chance of ever being seen at a theater near you any time soon. In 1996 Warner Bros. optioned Protosevich's spec screenplay The Cell, and were so impressed with the writing they offered him the opportunity to do the adaptation of Matheson's novel, which they owned the rights to.

Since 1996 numerous Hollywood icons have considered starring, directing, or producing the project. Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted to star and Ridley Scott wanted to direct. Somehow Arnold thought he would be better served doing End of Days and The 6th Day (oh well) and Ridely Scott decided to do Gladiator and Black Hawk Down, which were obviously good moves. Others who were once rumored to be considering the project include Kurt Russel and director Rob Bowman. Last year Will Smith said he was interested, Schwarzenegger now wants to produce, and Michael Bay wants to direct. So what does all this mean? I don't have the foggiest idea. But what I do know is that at least one version of the script is very good.

During the last six years the script has experienced numerous rewrites, apparently most of them by John Logan who Ridely Scott hired (later he would bring Logan in for work on the Gladiator script.) But the script that everyone keeps turning back to is Protosevich's first draft. According to reports, Ridley Scott and John Logan had a very different view of the material than Protosevich.

Warner Bros. almost gave up on the project at least twice since 1997 due do financial problems, budget projections, and script concerns. Other writers rumored to be involved in rewrites include Neil Jimenez and Tracy Torme.

With the prospect that maybe the stars might align for I Am Legend, and the fact that the script just blew me away, I was compelled to write this short article about Protosevich's excellent script.

Richard Matheson's novel took an interesting point of view in regard to vampires, making it one of the most influential vampire novels of the 20th century. Written in 1954 one could say it was almost revolutionary as a horror story. In Matheson's book a lone human being is left on earth (Robert Neville). He is being hunted by pale-skinned, white-fanged creatures with an insatiable thirst for blood. Much like typical vampire legends, they were susceptible to garlic, water, sunlight, crucifixes, and of course a wooden stake through the heart. Neville was very much the tortured hero having lost his wife and daughter to a blood disease that afflicted the entire planet. Neville spends his days gathering supplies and armaments, and his nights confined to his fortified home while the creatures harass him non-stop until sunrise.

Matheson's novel inspired many films (The Last Man on Earth, The Omega Man for example) and he himself even wrote an adaptation of the book. The idea of some kind of blood condition that turns people into these creatures is a plot element that many of the stories share, including Protosevich's script. However, none of these previous efforts equal Protosevich's haunting, mesmerizing, and poignant screenplay about a man who believes he is the last surviving human being on earth, and every night has to fend off demons (both physically and psychologically) and avoid literally going insane or being killed.

The story opens with what I can only guess would be some superimposed text telling of the advancements in Genetic Research that have allowed scientists to use viruses linked to healthy cells to destroy and replace diseased cells in patients afflicted with cancer.

Then a video image, Robert Neville talking, documenting the date "October 17th… 2002." He goes on to tell us when and where he was born, about his wife and his previous life.

The script is set in San Francisco, which is refreshing since everyone seems to want to set it Los Angeles—as if we haven't seen that city destroyed enough times. As Neville does his morning routine we notice he is a physical specimen covered with noticeable "SCARS." Some of them look like bites. He has seen his share of fighting. We later learn he is AB Negative and immune to the virus.

Neville's only companion is his dog. Together they leave the fortress in a highly modified Range Rover and enter the ruins of San Francisco. Protosevich gives us a haunting and eerie description of a defunct civilization.

Neville enters the city and stops at a radio station for his daily broadcast: "Big Bob Neville here this morning, as I am every morning. Traffic? There is none. Weather? Who cares. News? I'm still alive. What about you?"

He leaves the station and continues his rounds. He tells anyone who is still alive to meet him in the park at high noon, but no one is ever there. He is for all practical purposes, the last man on earth. Surrounded by death, waiting for death, and in a way looking forward to it.

Neville is heavily armed with automatic hand guns and an M-16 machine gun. He stops somewhere downtown to check traps he sets for the monsters—which we come to know as "Hemocytes." In one trap has a dangling human body ensnared, or so it seems. Upon inspection Neville realizes he has fallen into a trap when a sniper in a nearby building opens fire on him. Somehow he avoids being shot and scurries into the building. Unaware that Neville is close by the sniper is cornered in the room. Neville subdues the sniper who is strangely bound up in heavy clothes and has his face almost completely covered. After pinning the sniper to the ground Neville removes a scarf revealing a ghastly sight:

"A demonic visage. Ghostly white flesh so devoid of pigment we can see the blue and purple veins beneath the surface. His eyes are an unearthly cold blue/grey and white. He is completely hairless--nothing on his pate, no brows, no facial hair. His lips a deep ruby red. This thing was once human, but now…"

These creatures are not your typical vampires -- they are not zombies either -- but something horrific and fierce. They posses superhuman strength, are intelligent and fairly sophisticated. Don't think Night of the Living Dead, think more aesthetic. These creatures can regenerate when not mortally wounded. One description after a female Hemocyte drinks the blood of a fallen comrade is chilling: "Dark blood covers her chin and chest, but as she walks, the liquid crawls across her skin into her mouth. It seems to give mass and power to her body and rich color to her translucent skin."

When these creatures come at night they surround Neville's compound (his modified house that stands on a hill) and begin chanting and beating drums. The screenwriter describes it as, "AN EERIE MOAN. Low, resonant. A CHANT. Far in the distance. Beyond the walls, beyond the fence. The MOANING INTESIFIES." Then slowly and methodically they try to get into the house.

Neville is effected by their persistent cries. He plays loud music. He keeps tabs on his visitors by watching monitors while his dog patrols an inside perimeter protected by a barbwire fence and a moat. Whenever an intruder is detected the dog alerts Neville.

The Hemocytes have a leader, a kind of king, who is called Cortman. Not a very demonic name. But as the story unfolds we learn more about him and who he was.

The screenwriter had to overcome some significant obstacles to make this story work. Much like Tom Hank's character in Cast Away, a lot of this story is a one man show. Neville is almost always alone. Whether in his house or roaming the empty streets of San Francisco, he has no one to talk to except his dog. The exposition has to carry the story, and this is a hard thing to pull off.

Protosevich had to keep the narrative moving with a lot of action. He cleverly establishes character by showing us how Neville lives, and what he deals with on a daily basis. The effect is an enthralling story of one man's plight into near madness while trying to avoid death. All the while you wonder why he just doesn't give up and spare himself all the anguish? But the answer to that question reveals one of the themes of the story.

The screenwriter crafted a strong narrative that is engrossing. Neville is the classic tortured hero who discovers that he isn't alone, and by trying to save others he risks his own life. He discovers a women, Anna, who is also AB Negative (as any survivor would have to be) and he takes her in. But he learns she's not the only one. There are more who are kept by the Hemocytes in their underground lairs as a food source.

How Protosevich slowly injects the backstory via video recordings and other materials that Neville makes or watches is effective and actually helps move the story along. Sometimes flashbacks can grind a story to a halt (or pull you too far out of the main narrative) and he avoids that problem. Because the question is so consuming ("How did this happen?"), the slow introduction of the background served to heighten the suspense. I thought Protosvich's interpretation of the virus and how it infects everyone, and how it mutates and spreads, was convincing and almost disturbing. Some very effective writing.

Without revealing major plot elements and other details (which I won't do) I can't really do the entire script justice. I think I have been able to give you a sense of how inventive and dynamic the story is. It's not just a horror story about vampires—for they aren't really vampires at all.

The script is vibrant and literally comes alive on the pages. The screenwriter sets the mood and tone of the story and neatly constructs a theoretical future that is poignant. This script is further evidence that a script need not be just a blueprint for a movie. It can be visual and lucid. It can become something much more.

Until next time.

--Chris





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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 5:42 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] 11/25

In a message dated 9/24/02 8:30:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

We should all write to AMC and ask them to re-run the marathon weekend again.

There's a guy here who says that AMC already has something like that planned for next year, but I think he's pulling our legs.  His name is James and we haven't heard from him lately.  I think because we all knew he was BSing us.

-- Rory

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From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy


> Hi Little 'ol Rory ;)
> Yeah, that's what I said.
> "Goob" it is.
> Kassidy
>
>
>
> Hey, he's the Grand and Mighty High (Mighty High!) Potentate of
> PotAdom. The
> > Ayatollah of PotAollh. The Chief Defender of Natalie Trundy. The
> ONE, the
> > ONLY, the former Toodles, old Veetus and Willie Joe HIMSELF!
> > Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeefffffffffffffffffffffff
> > KRueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr!!!!!
> >
> > And don't you forget it.
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> > -- Little ol' me :)
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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Unanswered Questions


> Here I am answering my own question....sort of.
>
> The big question for me was "How did apes overtake mankind?".
>
> I much prefer the idea of manking devolving as "lower" primates
> evolve.
>
> How would you have explained it?
>
> With gentics? Nuclear mutation?
>
> Remember, I'm thinking in terms of no sequels yet existing.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:
> > Recently Rory asked a question about where you could have gone in
> the
> > TV series that had not already been covered.
> >
> > I actually made a lengthy response that was lost in the electronic
> > domain.
> >
> > Essentially, I believe the first movie contained cues for a sequel
> > that were not addressed. One that WAS addressed was the Forbidden
> > Zone, but I feel there is still much that could be uncovered there.
> >
> > One that was NOT addressed was the trial of Cornelius and Zira.
> >
> > Anyone have any more?
> >
> > Any ideas on what could have been in the Forbidden Zone other than
> > Mutants? Obviously, it was a hot spot for "in your face" evidence
> of
> > mankind's prior dominance, so what might you have included in the
> > Forbidden Zone if Beneath had not yet been scripted?
> >
> > I still like the idea of a sequel to the original movie. Maybe
> there
> > could be a twist at the end where Brent's ship lands.....
> >
> > Michael
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> came to be. Boulle doesn't get very detailed. - - - Jeff
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Unanswered Questions
>
>
> > Here I am answering my own question....sort of.
> >
> > The big question for me was "How did apes overtake mankind?".
> >
> > I much prefer the idea of manking devolving as "lower" primates
> > evolve.
> >
> > How would you have explained it?
> >
> > With gentics? Nuclear mutation?
> >
> > Remember, I'm thinking in terms of no sequels yet existing.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- "whitty@..." <whitty@...> wrote:
> > > Recently Rory asked a question about where you could have gone

> > the
> > > TV series that had not already been covered.
> > >
> > > I actually made a lengthy response that was lost in the

> > > domain.
> > >
> > > Essentially, I believe the first movie contained cues for a

> > > that were not addressed. One that WAS addressed was the

> > > Zone, but I feel there is still much that could be uncovered

> > >
> > > One that was NOT addressed was the trial of Cornelius and Zira.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any more?
> > >
> > > Any ideas on what could have been in the Forbidden Zone other

> > > Mutants? Obviously, it was a hot spot for "in your face"

> > of
> > > mankind's prior dominance, so what might you have included in

> > > Forbidden Zone if Beneath had not yet been scripted?
> > >
> > > I still like the idea of a sequel to the original movie. Maybe
> > there
> > > could be a twist at the end where Brent's ship lands.....
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
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> just have to accept my godhood. Etc./Toodles - - - Jeff

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> � Dark Horse, Tony Millionaire
> Tony Millionaire's second children's book, SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS

>
>
> Book News
> Millionaire's New SOCK MONKEY out today
> SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS DOOR KNOB ships from Dark Horse
>
> Acclaimed cartoonist and illustrator Tony Millionaire's most recent

> SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS DOOR KNOB, hits shelves today from Dark

> ..
> The book features Millionaire's characters Sock Monkey and Mr. Crow

> a
> prior book, SOCK MONKEY: A CHILDREN'S BOOK. The characters are also

> d
> in the Dark Horse comic book title SOCK MONKEY. Millionaire is also

> author and artist of the syndicated alternative feature strip,

>
> Millionaire's work is characterized by detailed, old-fashioned-

>
> and ink drawings. The plot of this book, which is intended for

> concerns the Sock Monkey's interest in and concern over a glass

> s
> the seasons of the year change, shifting the lighting conditions

>
> house. The book is hardcover, 40 pages long, and priced at $14.95.
>
> Sock Monkey?!!! I thought that was something the High Potentate

> entertain himself!
>
> -- Rory
>

> <A HREF"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

> THE APES HELICOPTER MOC 70'S AZRAK</A>
>
> This is sitting on a very affordable price and I would say it is

> a common item.
>
> I paid $200 for mine.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
> You paid $200 for that?!!! You crazy Aussie! You've got kids to

>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > That's alright, Kassidy Rae of Sunshine. You don't have to like
> me. You
> > just have to accept my godhood. Etc./Toodles - - - Jeff
>
> Your....hack, cough. Ack. 'Scuse me, must of had a fur ball. Yeah,
> sure, whatever you say. I prostrate myself before the Goob. Etc.
>
> K.R.o.S.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:23 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kassidy

In a message dated 9/25/02 7:54:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
That's alright, Kassidy Rae of Sunshine. You don't have to like
me. You just have to accept my godhood. Etc./Toodles - - - Jeff

Your....hack, cough.  Ack.  'Scuse me, must of had a fur ball.  Yeah,
sure, whatever you say.  I prostrate myself before the Goob. Etc.

K.R.o.S.

You should prostrate yourself before the High Potentate of PotAdom.  I'm truly not kidding when I say Jeff is probably the most devoted of POTA fans.  You guys wouldn't believe what he's been though, and all because of his love of POTA.

What a nut!

Sincerely,
Rory Monteith

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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:22 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Rare ebay item


> This is sitting on a very affordable price and I would say it is not
> a common item.
>
> I paid $200 for mine.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1769132722
>
> Michael
>
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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:29 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Topics

In a message dated 9/25/02 7:07:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Well, I think I've done my bit in attempting to get you guys back on
to POTA chatting.

Rory, James is probably getting shitty about the absence of any
substantial chatting on topic going on here.  I know you have been
trying to get us yapping on topic, but face it, when you have to
resort to the Sock Monkey for news, things are getting bad.

I have said it before and I'll say it again...in times like these a
bit of structure is called for.  Even if we drag up old topics, we
are ON topic and that is important.

I think the mothership got hold of the 2 new guys!

Michael

Alright, first off there's not a lot going on in the world of POTAdom these days.  The Medicoms don't seem to be coming out on time, there's no new DVD news, new comics news, sequel news or anything except the original series cast and crew who are now dying off.  I'd like this group to be open to discussing anything as long as it in some way can be related to POTA.  Why limit ourselves and why bother hashing out the same old debates on timelines and maps and such.  The arguments usually end up with everyone just keeping to their own opinions and then I start to go crazy and rag on everybody, which I do anyway just for the fun of it.  Now, POTA is a movie, a DVD, and a TV show, and a cartoon, and comics and books, SOOOOOO I think we can talk about any movie, DVD, TV show, comic, cartoon or whatever.  The connection to POTA doesn't even have to be that big.

Anybody got a problem with this?

-- Rory

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet

In a message dated 9/25/02 7:19:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

James, could you throw in one of your notorious maps please?

James is probably still ignoring us, but here's the map with somebody's idea of where things are.  I think this is crazy, that the Atlantic Ocean is the body of water at the bottom and the map is being held sideways.  It's the map in PLANET, so it doesn't work for BENEATH because they didn't know there was going to be a sequel.  And for the benefit of the new guys I think the "inland sea" that Taylor's spaceship crashlands into is what's left of Chesapeake Bay, and that Ape City is in what was north North Carolina.

OK, let's thrash this out again.



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----- Original Message -----
From: <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Topics


> Well, I think I've done my bit in attempting to get you guys back on
> to POTA chatting.
>
> Rory, James is probably getting shitty about the absence of any
> substantial chatting on topic going on here. I know you have been
> trying to get us yapping on topic, but face it, when you have to
> resort to the Sock Monkey for news, things are getting bad.
>
> I have said it before and I'll say it again...in times like these a
> bit of structure is called for. Even if we drag up old topics, we
> are ON topic and that is important.
>
> I think the mothership got hold of the 2 new guys!
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
> > [Unable to display image]
> > © Dark Horse, Tony Millionaire
> > Tony Millionaire's second children's book, SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS
> DOORKNOB
> >
> >
> > Book News
> > Millionaire's New SOCK MONKEY out today
> > SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS DOOR KNOB ships from Dark Horse
> >
> > Acclaimed cartoonist and illustrator Tony Millionaire's most recent
> book,
> > SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS DOOR KNOB, hits shelves today from Dark
> Horse Comics
> > ..
> > The book features Millionaire's characters Sock Monkey and Mr. Crow
> as did
> > a
> > prior book, SOCK MONKEY: A CHILDREN'S BOOK. The characters are also
> feature
> > d
> > in the Dark Horse comic book title SOCK MONKEY. Millionaire is also
> the
> > author and artist of the syndicated alternative feature strip,
> DRINKY CROW.
> >
> > Millionaire's work is characterized by detailed, old-fashioned-
> seeming pen
> >
> > and ink drawings. The plot of this book, which is intended for
> children,
> > concerns the Sock Monkey's interest in and concern over a glass
> door knob a
> > s
> > the seasons of the year change, shifting the lighting conditions
> within the
> >
> > house. The book is hardcover, 40 pages long, and priced at $14.95.
> >
> > Sock Monkey?!!! I thought that was something the High Potentate
> uses to
> > entertain himself!
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet

In a message dated 9/25/02 7:19:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

James, could you throw in one of your notorious maps please?

James is probably still ignoring us, but here's the map with somebody's idea of where things are.  I think this is crazy, that the Atlantic Ocean is the body of water at the bottom and the map is being held sideways.  It's the map in PLANET, so it doesn't work for BENEATH because they didn't know there was going to be a sequel.  And for the benefit of the new guys I think the "inland sea" that Taylor's spaceship crashlands into is what's left of Chesapeake Bay, and that Ape City is in what was north North Carolina.

OK, let's thrash this out again.



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> Speaking of the map, either it's a really bad one, or they are
> missing/adding lots of stuff.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <whitty@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:05 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Topics
>
>
> > Well, I think I've done my bit in attempting to get you guys back

> > to POTA chatting.
> >
> > Rory, James is probably getting shitty about the absence of any
> > substantial chatting on topic going on here. I know you have been
> > trying to get us yapping on topic, but face it, when you have to
> > resort to the Sock Monkey for news, things are getting bad.
> >
> > I have said it before and I'll say it again...in times like these

> > bit of structure is called for. Even if we drag up old topics, we
> > are ON topic and that is important.
> >
> > I think the mothership got hold of the 2 new guys!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- Haristas@... wrote:
> > > [Unable to display image]
> > > � Dark Horse, Tony Millionaire
> > > Tony Millionaire's second children's book, SOCK MONKEY: THE

> > DOORKNOB
> > >
> > >
> > > Book News
> > > Millionaire's New SOCK MONKEY out today
> > > SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS DOOR KNOB ships from Dark Horse
> > >
> > > Acclaimed cartoonist and illustrator Tony Millionaire's most

> > book,
> > > SOCK MONKEY: THE GLASS DOOR KNOB, hits shelves today from Dark
> > Horse Comics
> > > ..
> > > The book features Millionaire's characters Sock Monkey and Mr.

> > as did
> > > a
> > > prior book, SOCK MONKEY: A CHILDREN'S BOOK. The characters are

> > feature
> > > d
> > > in the Dark Horse comic book title SOCK MONKEY. Millionaire is

> > the
> > > author and artist of the syndicated alternative feature strip,
> > DRINKY CROW.
> > >
> > > Millionaire's work is characterized by detailed, old-fashioned-
> > seeming pen
> > >
> > > and ink drawings. The plot of this book, which is intended for
> > children,
> > > concerns the Sock Monkey's interest in and concern over a glass
> > door knob a
> > > s
> > > the seasons of the year change, shifting the lighting conditions
> > within the
> > >
> > > house. The book is hardcover, 40 pages long, and priced at

> > >
> > > Sock Monkey?!!! I thought that was something the High Potentate
> > uses to
> > > entertain himself!
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Grease"-ing the studio's palm (OT)

In a message dated 9/25/02 10:08:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  The big DVD of the week is "Grease" (Word!) But don't look for anything special or new about it. It's basically a rehash of the 20th anniversary VHS release a few years back. And the director says on www.dvdfile.com

that a spec ed. is planned for 2004. There's a huge promotional push for it, as if it weren't just DVD filler in the meantime. Of course the continuing rerelease of movies has already been a topic here but studio greed is always a fun topic. Another edition of "Apes" coming soon? Why soitainly! Etc./Toodles - - - Jeff

I read that same commentary at DVDfile.com today, too.  All it makes me wonder is why is Fox not releasing more stuff?  Home video now makes more money (thanks to the DVD craze) for the studios than theatrical exhibition, so why am I still waiting for some Fox titles?  I have on laserdisc a great Fox western called THE COMANCHEROS! with John Wayne.  It's got commentary by most of the surviving stars and John Wayne's son, Patrick.  I also have a laserdisc of THOSE MAGNIFICENT MEN IN THEIR FLYING MACHINES with a director's commentary and a bunch of extras.  Both these discs have beautiful picture transfers and stereo surround sound.  How hard would it be for Fox to put them out on DVD?  Now, I have recently read that starting in January Fox is going to start putting out little Special Editions of its classic titles like HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY and ALL ABOUT EVE, and that there will be new releases of the special editions every month, so maybe this stuff is on the way.  I still don't have a DVD of Fox's JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH.  The laserdisc I have of it is great, but I want DVD!
"I WANT MY DVD'S, NURSE RATSHIT!!!"

-- Rory

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I'm all for another POTA film, but for the love of god please don't use CGI anything. It's too expensive and still looks fake. Computers, though great for web surfin, don't have the ability to create anything that looks truly real, YET. Give it 50 years and we'll see.

CGI = Completely Generic Imaging

 MTotsky@... wrote:

I know that part of the appeal (and rightly so) for all of the POTA films has
been the ape makeup and the actors who have worked with it. But given the
technology today, is it really necessary?

How about a new film (let's say it's a faithful version of Boulle's novel)
with CGI apes that look just like the ones you'd see at the zoo? I'm sure
this is what Boulle intended when he wrote his book. The costumes and the
look of the film would be very close to the drawing and sketches that Arthur
Jacobs used when pitching the original film (as seen in the "Behind"
documentary). In addition, the apes would not speak English, but rather an
original language (with subtitles) created specifically for the film. Also,
the film would be rated R, so nudity and extended violence would be fair

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?


> I know that part of the appeal (and rightly so) for all of the POTA films
has
> been the ape makeup and the actors who have worked with it. But given the
> technology today, is it really necessary?
>
> How about a new film (let's say it's a faithful version of Boulle's novel)
> with CGI apes that look just like the ones you'd see at the zoo? I'm sure
> this is what Boulle intended when he wrote his book. The costumes and the
> look of the film would be very close to the drawing and sketches that
Arthur
> Jacobs used when pitching the original film (as seen in the "Behind"
> documentary). In addition, the apes would not speak English, but rather an
> original language (with subtitles) created specifically for the film.
Also,
> the film would be rated R, so nudity and extended violence would be fair
> game. Who's with me on this one? I'm particularly interested in hearing
the
> opinions on the CGI apes, rather than makeup.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 9/25/02 11:46:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
>
> > In a message dated 9/25/02 12:26:46 PM, Haristas@... writes:
> >
> > << !'m truly not kidding when I say Jeff is probably the most

> > POTA
> > fans.
> > You guys wouldn't believe what he's been though, and all because

> > love
> > of POTA. >>
> >
> > Oh, do tell!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
>
> I'm like Roddy, I don't tell. However, I have been known to hint.
>

> Me lGibson is trying to get a movie made about Jesus called "The

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?


> I know that part of the appeal (and rightly so) for all of the POTA films
has
> been the ape makeup and the actors who have worked with it. But given the
> technology today, is it really necessary?
>
> How about a new film (let's say it's a faithful version of Boulle's novel)
> with CGI apes that look just like the ones you'd see at the zoo? I'm sure
> this is what Boulle intended when he wrote his book. The costumes and the
> look of the film would be very close to the drawing and sketches that
Arthur
> Jacobs used when pitching the original film (as seen in the "Behind"
> documentary). In addition, the apes would not speak English, but rather an
> original language (with subtitles) created specifically for the film.
Also,
> the film would be rated R, so nudity and extended violence would be fair
> game. Who's with me on this one? I'm particularly interested in hearing
the
> opinions on the CGI apes, rather than makeup.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?


> Who will play Jesus? Will it be some Lebanese looking dude (as he
> actually did appear) or someone who looks like superman again?
>
> Michael
>
>
> > Me lGibson is trying to get a movie made about Jesus called "The
> Passion",which would be in the original languages of the time, I
> think Greek and Latin. With no subtitles. He feels people know the
> story well enough and he can convey what's going on visually. - - -
> Jeff
>
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?


>
> In a message dated 9/26/02 12:06:51 AM, veetus@... writes:
>
> << The makeup in the new
> one worked fine for me, the problem was the script and all the CGI in the
> world wouldn't cover that. >>
>
> I'm not saying tht I have a problem with the makeup (in the originals or
in
> POTA: 2001), it's just that they don't look like "real" apes (like at the
zoo
> or on Animal Planet). The only way it you could do that would by CGI. It
> would be a true "reimagining." Actors and makeup will always draw
comparisons
> to the original.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:14 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?

In a message dated 9/25/02 11:48:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@... writes:

In addition, the apes would not speak English, but rather an
original language (with subtitles) created specifically for the film. Also,
the film would be rated R, so nudity and extended violence would be fair
game. 

I'm with you all the way, but we don't work for Fox.  They way I would work the language thing is that as Merou (or whatever his name is) is first captured he hears the apes speaking in a strange tongue that I would have sounding something like structure simian hoots and grunts and such, but as his captivity stretches on he picks up some words, which we would hear in English.  Eventually we'd start hearing the apes speaking more English, which doesn't mean they're speaking it, but means that Merou is translating it in his mind, until finally the apes are speaking nothing but English when Merou completely understands the language.

I would also have the humans naked animals as they are in the book, but I would use CGI to create shadows on them all the time so you don't have to look at everyone's private parts.  I would also love to see that mating sequence from the book when the males have to dance around the females.

I would make a very adult, meaning intelligent, movie, but would that bore the kids that the studio wants to go see the movie again and again?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Jeff's Sacrifices

In a message dated 9/26/02 12:08:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Are you saying Jeff "took one for the team" from the notorious Roddy?

If so, I hope that photo was not real or Jeff would have suffered
intense pain.

Michael

You have a really sick imagination there, Michael.  No! No! Good God, No!

-- Rory

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> If they look too real it might take people out of the movie and

> "Lancelot Link". I think having actors in makeup gives the audience

> of comfort zone. Kassidy Raetc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?
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>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/26/02 12:06:51 AM, veetus@...

> >
> > << The makeup in the new
> > one worked fine for me, the problem was the script and all the

> > world wouldn't cover that. >>
> >
> > I'm not saying tht I have a problem with the makeup (in the

> in
> > POTA: 2001), it's just that they don't look like "real" apes

> zoo
> > or on Animal Planet). The only way it you could do that would by

> > would be a true "reimagining." Actors and makeup will always draw
> comparisons
> > to the original.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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> They already bored the kids, who didn't see it again and again or

> the toys. Fox played it too safe and pleased no one. Kassidy Raetc.-

> ff
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> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?
>
>
> In a message dated 9/25/02 11:48:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ..com writes:
>
>
>
> In addition, the apes would not speak English, but rather an
> original language (with subtitles) created specifically for the

> lso,
> the film would be rated R, so nudity and extended violence

> r
> game.
>
>
>
> I'm with you all the way, but we don't work for Fox. They way I

> rk the language thing is that as Merou (or whatever his name is) is

> aptured he hears the apes speaking in a strange tongue that I would

> unding something like structure simian hoots and grunts and such,

> s captivity stretches on he picks up some words, which we would

> lish. Eventually we'd start hearing the apes speaking more

> doesn't mean they're speaking it, but means that Merou is

> his mind, until finally the apes are speaking nothing but English

> ou completely understands the language.
>
> I would also have the humans naked animals as they are in the

> would use CGI to create shadows on them all the time so you don't

> look at everyone's private parts. I would also love to see that

> uence from the book when the males have to dance around the females.
>
> I would make a very adult, meaning intelligent, movie, but would

> e the kids that the studio wants to go see the movie again and

>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
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