>
> > There is a lot of hard work in raising babies, and twins are even

> > demaning.
> >
> Just wait! Think of all the stuff Teenage Twin Girls can get into.
> Wait...better not. Doesn't that sound like a sitcom? Wait.
> I think Mary Kate & Ashley already did that one. Sorry Mike.
> You're SOL.
>

In my opinion, I like all your ideas  BUT CGI apes.  No matter how they imbue CGI with character (or try to) still it has no SOUL. It couldn't reach the level of intensity of say, in the later movie when Zira and Cornelius were shot down.  The actors made you care, and not just the VOICES of the actors - it was their eyes and expressions and presence behind that make-up. 

Of course, it'd probably be better than what we got in 2001.

Kassidy

<I know that part of the appeal (and rightly so) for all of the POTA films has
been the ape makeup and the actors who have worked with it. But given the
technology today, is it really necessary?

> I didn't make up this item below, it's for real (from IMDb.com).

> happens and it's a huge hit, can 'POTA: The Musical' be far behind.

>
> In a message dated 9/26/02 12:42:42 AM, whitty@...

>
> << One thing that terrified me about the new movie was the

> the Orangs looking so realistic. I think it worked OK in POTA 2001
> but I still like my apes as per the original make ups (well, prior

> the poor old rushed TV Series versions). In liked the 2001

> and Chimp MALES (the females...well, enough said). >>
>
> good thing they didn't show us female orangs....!
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> In a message dated 9/25/02 6:21:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > The topic is the first movie.
> >
> > Could it be tidied up by a Special Edition (a la Lucas' Star

> > treatment.
> >
> > Are there any other obvious ones?
> >
>
> I'd say "airbrush" out the foot (and hoofprints) in the sand.

> those that are in the Forbidden Zone during the astronauts trek,

> hoofprints along the shoreline when Taylor sees the Statue of

>

> In a message dated 9/25/02 11:14:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
>
> > They way I would work the language thing is that as Merou (or

> > name is) is first captured he hears the apes speaking in a

> > that I would have sounding something like structure simian hoots

> > and such, but as his captivity stretches on he picks up some

> > we would hear in English. Eventually we'd start hearing the apes

> > more English, which doesn't mean they're speaking it, but means

> > is translating it in his mind, until finally the apes are

> > but English when Merou completely understands the language.
>
> This is a good idea...
>

> In a message dated 9/26/02 7:20:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> > If you had the power to order this done, would you do it?
> >
> > I certainly would, but I would want to somehow assure that the
> > original print remained intact and available so as not to "re-

> > history.
> >
> > Michael
>
> Yes, I'd probably do it... And as you say, also leave an intact

> print for historical sake...
>

> In a message dated 9/26/02 7:43:22 PM Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > I just thought of another one - when Dodge moves.
> >
> > I would like to fix that one too.
> >
> > Any others?
> >
> > Michael
>
> I am surprised Rory didn't mention the part when the gorillas hair

> flips fwd.
>

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 11:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Grease"-ing the studio's palm (OT)

  You'll have to wait for Zanuck's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" remake. It should be soon, he'll have plenty of time, since Fox shot down "Apes 2" and right now he's going, "Holy sh*t, so much for "Reign of Fire 2"". Kassidy Raetc.- - - Jeff

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:44 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Grease"-ing the studio's palm (OT)

In a message dated 9/25/02 10:08:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  The big DVD of the week is "Grease" (Word!) But don't look for anything special or new about it. It's basically a rehash of the 20th anniversary VHS release a few years back. And the director says on www.dvdfile.com

that a spec ed. is planned for 2004. There's a huge promotional push for it, as if it weren't just DVD filler in the meantime. Of course the continuing rerelease of movies has already been a topic here but studio greed is always a fun topic. Another edition of "Apes" coming soon? Why soitainly! Etc./Toodles - - - Jeff

I read that same commentary at DVDfile.com today, too.  All it makes me wonder is why is Fox not releasing more stuff?  Home video now makes more money (thanks to the DVD craze) for the studios than theatrical exhibition, so why am I still waiting for some Fox titles?  I have on laserdisc a great Fox western called THE COMANCHEROS! with John Wayne.  It's got commentary by most of the surviving stars and John Wayne's son, Patrick.  I also have a laserdisc of THOSE MAGNIFICENT MEN IN THEIR FLYING MACHINES with a director's commentary and a bunch of extras.  Both these discs have beautiful picture transfers and stereo surround sound.  How hard would it be for Fox to put them out on DVD?  Now, I have recently read that starting in January Fox is going to start putting out little Special Editions of its classic titles like HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY and ALL ABOUT EVE, and that there will be new releases of the special editions every month, so maybe this stuff is on the way.  I still don't have a DVD of Fox's JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH.  The laserdisc I have of it is great, but I want DVD!
"I WANT MY DVD'S, NURSE RATSHIT!!!"

-- Rory

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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:08 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?

Who will play Jesus?  Will it be some Lebanese looking dude (as he
actually did appear) or someone who looks like superman again?

Michael


> Me lGibson is trying to get a movie made about Jesus called "The
Passion",which would be in the original languages of the time, I
think Greek and Latin. With no subtitles. He feels people know the
story well enough and he can convey what's going on visually. - - -
Jeff



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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:46 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Maps. Here we go again.

Jeff can ignore this.  I'm posting it for the new guys.  So what is the area that you think Cornelius' map shows?  Have we ever heard from Patrick on this one?


How many think the area below Taylor's hand is supposed to be Long Island?


Well, I think it's a totally different area.   That's Chesapeake Bay on the right.  Taylor travelled north along the shore to find the Statue of Liberty, and just how far up the Atlantic coast is Cornelius' cave?
I would also place the city in CONQUEST someplace around the Chesapeake Bay/Washington DC area.


-- Rory

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Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (OT) Who wants Ice?

Hey, anybody else here like this movie from '68 (Its POTA connection)?  This is another one of those DVDs I'm waiting for.  There are some really great jokes that can be made from this Rock Hudson movie.


                 

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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:23 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Language

Yes, I agree this is a very good and creative idea that should also
WORK.  This has always bugged me about Star Trek - I know there is
mant to be a "translator" that deciphers the language, but why don't
we then see a "Spaghetti Westerns" effect with lip movement?  I mean
does the translator also make their lips move in synch with the
translation???

Michael

--- mlccougar@... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/25/02 11:14:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
>
> > They way I would work the language thing is that as Merou (or
whatever his
> > name is) is first captured he hears the apes speaking in a
strange tongue
> > that I would have sounding something like structure simian hoots
and grunts
> > and such, but as his captivity stretches on he picks up some
words, which
> > we would hear in English.  Eventually we'd start hearing the apes
speaking
> > more English, which doesn't mean they're speaking it, but means
that Merou
> > is translating it in his mind, until finally the apes are
speaking nothing
> > but English when Merou completely understands the language.
>
> This is a good idea...
>




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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] King Kong: The Musical


> Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:
> > I didn't make up this item below, it's for real (from IMDb.com).
> Now if this
> > happens and it's a huge hit, can 'POTA: The Musical' be far behind.
>
> It's not really that far-fetched either - off the top of my head,
> there have already been musicals based on War of the Worlds,
> Thunderbirds and Forbidden Planet so anything goes.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?


> Yeah, or the anus of an older chimpanzee...have you seen how red and
> bloated they are at the zoo? That would suk.
>
> Michael
>
> --- apefan23@... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 9/26/02 12:42:42 AM, whitty@...
> writes:
> >
> > << One thing that terrified me about the new movie was the
> portrayal of
> > the Orangs looking so realistic. I think it worked OK in POTA 2001
> > but I still like my apes as per the original make ups (well, prior
> to
> > the poor old rushed TV Series versions). In liked the 2001
> Gorillas
> > and Chimp MALES (the females...well, enough said). >>
> >
> > good thing they didn't show us female orangs....!
> >
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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet


> Mr Cougar
>
> If you had the power to order this done, would you do it?
>
> I certainly would, but I would want to somehow assure that the
> original print remained intact and available so as not to "re-write"
> history.
>
> Michael
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/25/02 6:21:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > whitty@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > The topic is the first movie.
> > >
> > > Could it be tidied up by a Special Edition (a la Lucas' Star
> Wars)
> > > treatment.
> > >
> > > Are there any other obvious ones?
> > >
> >
> > I'd say "airbrush" out the foot (and hoofprints) in the sand.
> Prints like
> > those that are in the Forbidden Zone during the astronauts trek,
> and the
> > hoofprints along the shoreline when Taylor sees the Statue of
> Liberty...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:31 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet

In a message dated 9/26/02 7:20:35 PM Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

If you had the power to order this done, would you do it?

I certainly would, but I would want to somehow assure that the
original print remained intact and available so as not to "re-write"
history.

Michael

Yes, I'd probably do it... And as you say, also leave an intact original print for historical sake...

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> Didn't Paramount hire a linguist to invent a language for the

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: whitty@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:23 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Language
>
>
> Yes, I agree this is a very good and creative idea that should

> WORK. This has always bugged me about Star Trek - I know there

> mant to be a "translator" that deciphers the language, but why

> we then see a "Spaghetti Westerns" effect with lip movement? I

> does the translator also make their lips move in synch with the
> translation???
>
> Michael
>
> --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/25/02 11:14:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > Haristas@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > They way I would work the language thing is that as Merou (or
> whatever his
> > > name is) is first captured he hears the apes speaking in a
> strange tongue
> > > that I would have sounding something like structure simian

> and grunts
> > > and such, but as his captivity stretches on he picks up some
> words, which
> > > we would hear in English. Eventually we'd start hearing the

> speaking
> > > more English, which doesn't mean they're speaking it, but

> that Merou
> > > is translating it in his mind, until finally the apes are
> speaking nothing
> > > but English when Merou completely understands the language.
> >
> > This is a good idea...
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> They'd want a lot more done then that. They wouldn't go to all

> trouble just to erase hoofprints. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet
>
>
> > Mr Cougar
> >
> > If you had the power to order this done, would you do it?
> >
> > I certainly would, but I would want to somehow assure that the
> > original print remained intact and available so as not to "re-

> > history.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- mlccougar@... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 9/25/02 6:21:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > whitty@... writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > The topic is the first movie.
> > > >
> > > > Could it be tidied up by a Special Edition (a la Lucas' Star
> > Wars)
> > > > treatment.
> > > >
> > > > Are there any other obvious ones?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'd say "airbrush" out the foot (and hoofprints) in the sand.
> > Prints like
> > > those that are in the Forbidden Zone during the astronauts trek,
> > and the
> > > hoofprints along the shoreline when Taylor sees the Statue of
> > Liberty...
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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> Didn't we talk about this a long time ago? I believe my choices

>
> were Christopher Lambert, G�rard Depardieu and best of all, Tch�ky

> o. I
> can just hear him saying..."O' Apes!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > >> They way I would work the language thing is that as Merou (or

>
> >> his name is) is first captured he hears the apes speaking in a

> >> tongue that I would have sounding something like structure

>
> >> and grunts and such, but as his captivity stretches on he picks

>
> >> words, which we would hear in English. Eventually we'd start

> e
> >> apes speaking more English, which doesn't mean they're speaking

>
> >> means that Merou is translating it in his mind, until finally

> re
> >> speaking nothing but English when Merou completely understands

> >> language
> >
>
>

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:36 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet

In a message dated 9/26/02 9:52:57 PM Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 Such as the one that's in, I think, the Library of Congress. "Apes" made the list of preserved films last year so it's now a national treasure.- - - Jeff

I remember nominating the film last year, but I was never aware of the outcome....By becoming a film preserved by the Library of Congress, at least Planet is getting some of the LONG OVERDUE recognition it deserves...

Is there a web sight of some kind that shows the actual votes each film got? Is there any write up on Planet on there?

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I thought it was Bonobos that humans were closest to genetically?? It says here http://www.bonobo.org/whatisbo.html" that, "Bonobos and people share 98.4% of the same genetic make-up (DNA)."

 LordTZer0@... wrote:

I'm there man, and I'm almost as hairy already. lol :o)

 Haristas@... wrote:

He he, there's no better way to get rid of stress. Ooooo, that's nice. Work it, baby! ;o)

 Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/27/02 3:37:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thypentacle@... writes:

I thought it was Bonobos that humans were closest to genetically?? It says here http://www.bonobo.org/whatisbo.html"

that, "Bonobos and people share 98.4% of the same genetic make-up (DNA)." 

LOL, actually, the bloated red ass thing isn't my gig, so I'll pass on that idea, thank you. ;o)

 Michael Whitty wrote:

Shhhh.....I was trying not to get "Thy" excited.

 

You've gone and ruined it now......

 

Michael

 

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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?

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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:32 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet

In a message dated 9/26/02 8:43:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I just thought of another one - when Dodge moves.

I would like to fix that one too.

Any others?

Michael

The hatch, of course.  The side panel being open on the spaceship, too.  The rip in Taylor's uniform when they come ashore.  The footprints from other takes in the sand.  The various times we see Roddy McDowall's neck, and others.  The replacement of certain shots with background masks (that would be a challenge).  The covering up any time you see someone's mouth inside the ape mouth.  And getting the original seperate elements of the final shot and recomposing them digitally so the last shot itsn't so grainy.

-- Rory

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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:35 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?

In a message dated 9/26/02 9:21:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcisak@... writes:

Jim Caviezel (the guy in "Frequency" is supposed to play Jesus.

I think Mel Gibson is out of his mind for making a movie in Latin - who's gonna want to see that, except maybe Latin students.

It bothers me a lot more that people believe this mystical stuff in the first place!

-- Rory

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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:26 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet

In a message dated 9/26/02 8:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Mr Cougar

If you had the power to order this done, would you do it?

I certainly would, but I would want to somehow assure that the
original print remained intact and available so as not to "re-write"
history.

Michael

Well, I would use CGI to cover-up all the mistakes in the series, but only for special edition DVDs.

Remember how everyone was upset at first about colorization?  Well, you don't hear much about that now.  Everyone had the choice to just turn the color down on your TV.

-- Rory

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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:04 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet

In a message dated 9/26/02 11:38:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Such as the one that's in, I think, the Library of Congress. "Apes" made the list of preserved films last year so it's now a national treasure.- - - Jeff

I remember nominating the film last year, but I was never aware of the outcome....By becoming a film preserved by the Library of Congress, at least Planet is getting some of the LONG OVERDUE recognition it deserves...

Is there a web sight of some kind that shows the actual votes each film got? Is there any write up on Planet on there?

Where were you when this news broke, Mike?  I made a big thing of it at the time.

-- Rory


Movie News
APES, JAWS Enter Film Registry
25 titles announced by Librarian of Congress.
Dateline: Wednesday, December 19, 2001

By: FRANK KURTZ
By: News Editor
Source: Hollywood Reporter

This year's list of 25 films inducted into the National Film Registry have been announced, and it includes the original PLANET OF THE APES, JAWS, THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD, ANIMAL HOUSE and even ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN.Each year, the Librarian of Congress, James H. Billington, selects 25 film works that are "culturally, historically or esthetically" significant for inclusion in the Registry. By being named to the list, the Library of Congress works to ensure that the designated film is preserved for all time, which could either be through the Library's motion picture preservation program in Dayton, Ohio, or in conjunction with other archives, the studios that own the films and/or independent filmmakers.Here is this year's entire list:

1) ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN (1948)
2) ALL THAT JAZZ (1979)
3) ALL THE KING'S MEN (1949)
4) AMERICA, AMERICA (1963)
5) COLOGNE: FROM THE DIARY OF RAY AND ESTHER (1939)
6) EVIDENCE OF THE FILM (1913)
7) HOOSIERS (1986)
8) THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE (1954)
9) IT (1927)
10) JAM SESSION (1942)
11) JAWS (1975)12) MANHATTAN (1979)
13) MARIAN ANDERSON: THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL CONCERT (1939)
14) MEMPHIS BELLE (1944)
15) THE MIRACLE OF MORGAN'S CREEK (1944)
16) MISS LULU BETT (1921)
17) NATIONAL LAMPOON'S ANIMAL HOUSE (1978)
18) PLANET OF THE APES (1968)
19) ROSE HOBART (1936)
20) SERENE VELOCITY (1970)
21) THE SOUND OF MUSIC (1965)
22) STORMY WEATHER (1943)
23) THE TELL-TALE HEART (1953)
24) THE THIN BLUE LINE (1988)
25) THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD (1951)
To get the full credits of each film, click on this URL: http://lcweb.loc.gov/film/nfr2001.html"






































































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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:35 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?

I thought it was Bonobos that humans were closest to genetically?? It says here http://www.bonobo.org/whatisbo.html" that, "Bonobos and people share 98.4% of the same genetic make-up (DNA)."

 LordTZer0@... wrote:

Yeah, or the anus of an older chimpanzee...have you seen how red and
bloated they are at the zoo?  That would suk.

Uhhh, those are females in estrous, Mike.
Aren't you gals lucky that doesn't happen to you
every month.  Amazing what a chromosome here
and a chromosome there will do.  Speaking of DNA,
They did the test.  Chimps are only 95%, and not 98.

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Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:57 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hollywood Shuffle

Hey everybody, read the item below from DarkHorizons.com and you'll get a hint of how Hollywood works these days.

Superman Cinema has posted up an item about internal reaction to the biggest news of the week: "Warner Bros. are absolutely furious at AICN's review of the script and is in complete panic mode. Heads are rolling and the entire studio is in turmoil. It seems they are scared to death they may have another BATMAN & ROBIN situation on their hands (they do) where negative buzz kills the film before it is even released. This time before it is even shot! The entire project is now in jeopardy and that they may have to throw out the entire script and start over. Someone who HATED the script and fought against it is the one who leaked it. But basically, there are a few people in the company who understand how bad the script is. Btw, the studio heads, many of them have never seen the Donner film and do not know ANYTHING about the origins of SUPERMAN, which explains why they loved the Luthor is an alien concept". Thanks to 'FanHalen'.

Too bad nobody at Fox leaked the script to POTA2001 before it went into production.  It just goes to show what idiots there are in the studios.  They all have MBAs I'm sure, but the don't know movies, they have no sense of history, and they don't know a bad script from a good one.  Oh boy!

-- Rory



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> In a message dated 9/22/02 3:39:06 PM Central Daylight Time,
> thypentacle@y... writes:
>
> << Burton was leaning more towards a womb type of thing I think. Especially the scene when Leo comes out from under the water out of the pod. He wanted the effect to seem similar to being 'born' into the new world. >>
>
> Yeah, he was supposed to be hatching out of an egg. I do think that is rather lame.
>
> -Joe

> Have you seen the size of the "bathroom" and "kitchen" in space shuttle? The two of them together could easily fit in an airline bathroom.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA "chaloupes"...
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Richard Cisak Jr." <rcisak@o...> wrote:
> > "how 4 astronauts could survive for 6 months (prior to going into their "deep sleep") in the cramped quarters seen in the opening scenes. " Haven't you seen pictures on the inside of Mir and Space Station Alpha? Cosmonauts have lived inside of Mir for over a year, which is just as cramped as Heston's ship.
>
> *** There's a lot more room on Mir (or, there WAS until it fried up in
> the atmosphere) and the Space Station than is seen to be available on
> the Taylor-&-Brent-type ships.
>
> I'll ask it again: Where's the Bathroom? Where's the Kitchen? Is there
> room in that ship for cargo to sustain 4 people for 6 months (and,
> presumably, for at least the first month they spend at their
> destination once they wake up from hibernation)? If you look at the
> ship in BENEATH, which is probably a "sister-ship" to the one seen in
> PLANET, then there ain't enough room for all those extra necessaries.
> All that junk behind the part visible above the water seems to me to
> consist of 1.) LANDING GEAR (the 3 tripodal legs), 2.) THE ROCKET
> ENGINE'S EXHAUST BELL (clearly visible in the middle of that hexagonal
> truss to which are connected those 3 landing legs), and 3.) THE FUEL
> TANK ASSEMBLY (after all, the rocket had to have burned fuel to slow
> its descent; too bad something went fubar and made it flop onto it's
> belly, requiring Brent to put out an engine fuel fire with that fire
> extinguisher).
> Between the "back wall" of what can be seen in the cabin of the ship
> in PLANET (with that pressure hatch in the middle), and the fuel tank
> assembly (which can be seen aft of the side "wings" of the BENEATH
> ship), there isn't much room there at all--most certainly not for a
> BATHROOM and a KITCHEN (or should I call them the "Head" and the
> "Mess" since it's a military mission?) and a CARGO HOLD. Since the
> tripodal landing legs are where they are, it's obvious that the ship
> Brent (crash)landed was supposed to land with the nosecone pointed
> straight up in the air, like a Christmas tree on its stand. One
> wonders, then, how Brent & Skipper were supposed to get out of their
> ship--and I think the answer is that there is a small airlock behind
> that "back wall" of the cabin, and a hatch leading from it to the
> outside on the underside of the vessel, which could not be used for
> egress, of course, with the ship flopped onto its belly. It was THIS
> unfortunate circumstance which necessitated Brent leaving the ship
> through the same forward escape hatch which Taylor's crew had to use
> (since their aftward area was flooded, making his ship angle up in the
> water, neither floating flat--like the capsule in ESCAPE--nor bobbing
> like a buoy straight up).
>
> I consider these ANSA ships to be shuttlecraft. They are spaceplanes,
> able to descend from an orbiting ship (like the Galileo 7 from the
> U.S.S. ENTERPRISE), landing on their tripods, with enough fuel left
> for at least one more re-ascent into orbit. That should be obvious,
> because Milo finds one of these ships and is able to reach orbit--
> AFTER that ship had first landed FROM orbit.
>
> Feel free to argue for what you consider to be a more plausible
> explanation, though.
>
> Patrick
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> Hold everything!
>
> My wife gave me a lift home yesterday.
>
> She looked in the back of the car and said "these 4 kids are the most
> precious cargo in the car!"
>
> I immediately started looking for the kitchen and the toilet.
>
> I then asked why the car was not 20 foot long.
>
> My wife told me she thinks I am insane.
>
> I think she has a point.
>
> Michael

> OK, nows here's a picture of Brent's ship after it has crashed. How do you think this ship was landing? Vertically or Horizontally. I think it might have been vertically and it landed hard and fell over. We really don't know how the "Icarus" was supposed to land.
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> Here's another shot of Brent's ship. So, what is the structure sticking up out of the wreckage? Is it a landing leg?
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> Judging by the lifting body shape, and the small control surfaces, I'd guess that it's supposed to land like a space shuttle.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:57 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA question
>
>
> OK, nows here's a picture of Brent's ship after it has crashed. How do you think this ship was landing? Vertically or Horizontally. I think it might have been vertically and it landed hard and fell over. We really don't know how the "Icarus" was supposed to land.

> Here I am answering my own question....sort of.
>
> The big question for me was "How did apes overtake mankind?".
>
> I much prefer the idea of mankind devolving as "lower" primates
> evolve.
>
> How would you have explained it?
>
> With genetics? Nuclear mutation?
>
> Remember, I'm thinking in terms of no sequels yet existing.
>
> Michael

>
>
> --- "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Recently Rory asked a question about where you could have gone in
> the
> > TV series that had not already been covered.
> >
> > I actually made a lengthy response that was lost in the electronic
> > domain.
> >
> > Essentially, I believe the first movie contained cues for a sequel
> > that were not addressed. One that WAS addressed was the Forbidden
> > Zone, but I feel there is still much that could be uncovered there.
> >
> > One that was NOT addressed was the trial of Cornelius and Zira.
> >
> > Anyone have any more?
> >
> > Any ideas on what could have been in the Forbidden Zone other than
> > Mutants? Obviously, it was a hot spot for "in your face" evidence
> of
> > mankind's prior dominance, so what might you have included in the
> > Forbidden Zone if Beneath had not yet been scripted?
> >
> > I still like the idea of a sequel to the original movie. Maybe
> there
> > could be a twist at the end where Brent's ship lands.....
> >
> > Michael

> This is sitting on a very affordable price and I would say it is not
> a common item.
>
> I paid $200 for mine.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1769132722
>
> Michael

> In a message dated 9/25/02 7:19:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
>
> > James, could you throw in one of your notorious maps please?
> >
> >
> James is probably still ignoring us, but here's the map with somebody's idea of where things are. I think this is crazy, that the Atlantic Ocean is the body of water at the bottom and the map is being held sideways. It's the map in PLANET, so it doesn't work for BENEATH because they didn't know there was going to be a sequel. And for the benefit of the new guys I think the "inland sea" that Taylor's spaceship crashlands into is what's left of Chesapeake Bay, and that Ape City is in what was north North Carolina.
>
> OK, let's thrash this out again.
>
> [Unable to display image]

> Yeah, I read this story, too. I hope those chimps live out the rest of their lives happily.
>
> -- Rory

> Thank you for that, Mr. Lucas. I still think they have yet to make a CGI character that's as engaging as, say, Zira or Caesar. The makeup in the new one worked fine for me, the problem was the script and all the CGI in the world wouldn't cover that. As for doing it in the apes' original language, Mel Gibson is trying to get a movie made about Jesus called "The Passion", which would be in the original languages of the time, I think Greek and Latin. With no subtitles. He feels people know the story well enough and he can convey what's going on visually. - - - Jeff
>

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:46 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] How about this for a POTA film?
>
>
> > I know that part of the appeal (and rightly so) for all of the POTA films
> has
> > been the ape makeup and the actors who have worked with it. But given the
> > technology today, is it really necessary?
> >
> > How about a new film (let's say it's a faithful version of Boulle's novel)
> > with CGI apes that look just like the ones you'd see at the zoo? I'm sure
> > this is what Boulle intended when he wrote his book. The costumes and the
> > look of the film would be very close to the drawing and sketches that
> Arthur
> > Jacobs used when pitching the original film (as seen in the "Behind"
> > documentary). In addition, the apes would not speak English, but rather an
> > original language (with subtitles) created specifically for the film.
> Also,
> > the film would be rated R, so nudity and extended violence would be fair
> > game. Who's with me on this one? I'm particularly interested in hearing
> the
> > opinions on the CGI apes, rather than makeup.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> In a message dated 9/25/02 11:48:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MTotsky@a...
> writes:
>
>
> > In addition, the apes would not speak English, but rather an original language (with subtitles) created specifically for the film. Also, the film would be rated R, so nudity and extended violence would be fair game.
> >
>
> I'm with you all the way, but we don't work for Fox. They way I would work the language thing is that as Merou (or whatever his name is) is first captured he hears the apes speaking in a strange tongue that I would have sounding something like structure simian hoots and grunts and such, but as his captivity stretches on he picks up some words, which we would hear in English. Eventually we'd start hearing the apes speaking more English, which doesn't mean they're speaking it, but means that Merou is translating it in his mind, until finally the apes are speaking nothing but English when Merou completely understands the language.
>
> I would also have the humans naked animals as they are in the book, but I would use CGI to create shadows on them all the time so you don't have to look at everyone's private parts. I would also love to see that mating sequence from the book when the males have to dance around the females.
>
> I would make a very adult, meaning intelligent, movie, but would that bore the kids that the studio wants to go see the movie again and again?
>
> -- Rory