> In a message dated 10/21/02 11:03:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > Ok... And was Mozart an artist? Or a genius?
> >
> > If genius begets art.... Is the doomsday bomb art?
> >
> > --Helen
>
> I think MozART was both, and NO I don't think the doomsday bomb was

> I guess if you found the prop, fixed it up, put it in an art

> some sucker would buy it as an art piece.
>
> Maybe art is just bullsh*t? Modern art seems to be to most.
>
> -- Rory

> I've been thinking some more about this. Just because something

> you and you think it's good doesn't mean it's art. I believe you

> go around calling everything art, otherwise the term looses all

> think art has to meet a certain criteria, and I think that criteria

> set by experts.

> Here's the reply I just got back from SOTA about those mini busts

> never thought to tell us about!

I got my tape too. Wanted to also thank you. It wouldn't play in my main vcr for some reason, but it works fine on my other one. Thank you very much for sending it. :o)

Thy �very grateful� Pentacle

 Kassidy Rae <valwp@...> wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 October 2002 0:41
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Cripple fight!"
>
> Perhaps that could read, "The movie was a collaborative effort of
> artists with all those involved doing so for a paycheck." Don't
> forget that Mozart was paid to write most of his music, Norman
> Rockwell sold his work to Saturday Evening Post (as a result they
> sold more magazines), and Charles Shultz wrote his syndicated Peanuts
> stip for $$$. All of these were artists, and all were paid to
> create. We studied Planet of the Apes (Sand Hill School, school year
> 2001 - 2002) as both art and literature. Although we dismissed POTA
> 2001 (so I may be sidetracked here), I suppose that it could be
> considered "art" much as one would consider their friend's child's
> reproduction of the Mona Lisa (with a mustache) to be art.
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@y..., thypentacle <thypentacle@y...> wrote:
>
> I got my tape too. Wanted to also thank you. It wouldn't play in
my main vcr for some reason, but it works fine on my other one.
Thank you very much for sending it. :o)
>
> Thy `very grateful' Pentacle
>
> Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:James, James, I got my tape! Look
at that nice, professional looking
> label! And the titles, so neatly done! I've popped the tape in
and
> watched the first few minutes, then had to run in here and tell
you
> THANKS! MUCHO THANKS!
> Kassidy
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------

----- Original Message -----
From: "james611102" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Return" Tape


> You're welcome everyone. Please let me know if any of you has any
> playback problems.
>
> --- In pota@y..., thypentacle <thypentacle@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I got my tape too. Wanted to also thank you. It wouldn't play in
> my main vcr for some reason, but it works fine on my other one.
> Thank you very much for sending it. :o)
> >
> > Thy `very grateful' Pentacle
> >
> > Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:James, James, I got my tape! Look
> at that nice, professional looking
> > label! And the titles, so neatly done! I've popped the tape in
> and
> > watched the first few minutes, then had to run in here and tell
> you
> > THANKS! MUCHO THANKS!
> > Kassidy
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:17 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] To Market, To Market. . .to buy a fat Turkey!

Hey, maybe the studios will begin to wise up.  I wonder how much it cost to market POTA2001?  I'll bet the profit margin on APES was so much less than what Fox had hoped that's why nobody is talking sequel.

To Market, To Market -- To Buy a Fat Pig in a Poke?
Marketing experts have begun questioning the wisdom of studio promotional campaigns which often cost more than the films earn at the box office, the Los Angeles Times reported Sunday. "It is obscene," Peter Sealey, a marketing professor at UC Berkeley who headed marketing at Columbia in the mid-1980s, told the Times. "There's no excuse for the consistent overspending ... it's close to corporate fraud." The newspaper pointed out that Columbia spent $50 million to promote its $120-million Stuart Little 2, which grossed $63 million. When MGM's $110-million Windtalkers opened poorly, it noted, the studio's marketing department allocated millions of dollars for "emergency marketing." It didn't work. The film grossed just $41 million, or $1 million less than it cost to market. In 10 years, the Times pointed out, marketing costs for the average movie have risen from $12 million to $31 million.





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--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I already have the cartoons, James. So just send me some money
and I will
> buy a VHS I don't have. Thanks. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> The seller has this German PLANET poster as a 1968 original, but
can anyone
> here spot what gives this away as a reissue poster?
>
> -- Der Rory

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:02 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art


> I've been meaning to post this for awhile.
>
> Is anyone here familiar with the artist Shag? I am a big fan of his
artwork. I love the retro, cartoonish style and subject matter. Apparently
he is an Apes fan because several of his paintings have featured some of our
favorite simians. He had a gallery show here in Detroit last month, which I
attended. I asked him about Apes and he said he has been a big fan since he
was a kid and his favorite character is Zaius. One of the paintings on
display was this piece:
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
>
> I like the little details on this painting, the fact that the tiki statues
actually look like chimps. I asked how much it was and was told it was not
for sale, that it was already purchased "by the guy who owns the original
Lawgiver statue." I asked if that happened to be Brian from Apemania and was
told that it was. Small world....
>
>
> Here are some other Shag paintings that feature apes:
>
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/Hedonist/trembling.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/Sinners/Zaiusin.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/bananaliq.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/Tryptich.html"
>
>
> I am curious as to what others on this list think of these. Are they art?
I think so...
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> I thought I'd reprint this here for the sake of those new who

> haven't read it (like that beautiful work of art -- or is it

>
> work"? -- Kassidy!).
>
> A Tale of Two Planets by Eric Greene
>
> Planet of the Apes (1968) still courtesy of MPTV.net.
>
> Charleton Heston and Kim Hunter show why the original Apes was more

>
> than the remake.
>
> The original Planet of the Apes grew out of a time of wrenching

> that, in the midst of wars abroad and revolutions at home, demanded

> searching. Today, soul searching has been replaced by soulless

> ..
>
> About the Author
> Eric Greene is a graduate of Stanford Law School and works for the

>
> Southern California. He is the author of Planet of the Apes As

> h
> : Race, Politics, and Popular Culture and can be seen in Behind the

> of
> the Apes, a documentary DVD.
>
>
>
> In Tim Burton's recent version of Planet of the Apes, human-

>
> chimpanzee General Thade disrupts a simian dinner party by grabbing

> ,
> forcing open his mouth and growling down his throat "is there a

> there?" This could have been the heart of the film: a dramatic

> species in the context of an exploration of humanity's relationship

> r
> and nature, intelligence and spirit. Could have been. Regrettably,

>
> question is rhetorical, only pretense. Here Thade is a perfect, if
> unintended, stand in for the filmmakers: not truly interested in

> searching, just trying to make a spectacle.
>
> In 1968 Planet of the Apes, produced by Arthur P. Jacobs and based

> el
> by Pierre Boulle, delighted critics and audiences alike as both an
> imaginative science fiction adventure and a sober political

>
> struggles of the 60s c the fight for racial justice, domestic

>
> the Vietnam War, cynicism toward the political and religious

> ���
> underscored almost every scene, all without losing the excitement,

> d
> visual splendor that people love in Hollywood epics. "The most fun

> d
> have while thinking about a movie," is how one fan described it to

>
> Taking an alternate reality in which human political faults were

> projected onto imaginary apes, spoofed and critiqued, the Apes

> (Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Escape from the..., Conquest of

> Battle for the... ) extended and sharpened the racial-political

>
> addressing issues like urban riots and the Black Power movement

> g
> degrees of subtlety and sympathy. While ostensibly about apes, the

> us
> was always the survival possibilities of a racially fractured

> ..
> (Franklin Schaffner, the director of the first film, argued that he

> trying to make a political film and a social satire more than a

> fiction story, and Paul Dehn and J. Lee Thompson, the writer and

> f
> Conquest of the Planet of the Apes acknowledged that the Watts

> ed
> the inspiration for the slave revolt led by the film's hero).
>
> The studio spin doctors insist on calling this a "re-imagining,"

> remake. When Burton does imagine territory beyond the original his

> ly
> comes alive: striking production design and costumes; delightfully

>
> glimpses of ape life (an ape removing his toupee and dentures; an
> "interracial" orangutan-chimpanzee mating dance; the ape-like

>
> mannerisms); excellent performances by Cary Tagawa (Krull), Paul

> (Limbo) and Tim Roth's compelling, if one-note, Thade; and some

>
> make up by Rick Baker and his associates. (If nothing else they

>
> Oscar for Thade and for the marvelous Orangutan senator at the

> ..)
> There's enough good stuff in the film that it deserved to be better.
>
> Yet for all this, even without comparison to the original, the

>
> surprisingly lifeless, marred by a weak plot, thematic vacuousness

> underdeveloped characters. Had the film-makers risked going further

>
> directions, the film might have felt like a distinct vision ��� as

> posed to
> just a distinct look ��� and succeeded or failed strictly on its

> terms. But
> no one here seems up to the task. In its attempts to "ape" several

>
> of the first Planet of the Apes, this is ultimately just a remake.

> disappointing one at that.
>
> Both films, for instance, depict apes lording it over humans. But

>
> film invokes slavery without confronting it. Unlike in the first

> e
> human slaves here can talk. Giving them the power of speech opened

> ge
> of story options, yet they have created no culture, no politics, no

> n.
> Why are there no Nat Turners or Underground Railroads? Why no

> songs? Even the Hebrew slaves in the Bible had prophecies of a

> hy
> allow the film's humans the power to talk, and give them nothing to

> e
> only advantage these humans have over the original is better hair.
>
> Schaffner used the animal oppression of humans, as well as the

> on
> amongst ape groups (light apes in charge, dark apes on the bottom

>
> ladder) as allegory to argue that we "civilized" humans were not so

> ed
> after all. Apes and humans in the original series feared and hated

> er
> precisely because, as evolutionary "cousins," each recognized their

> brutality in "the other." Their hostility and violence was directly
> proportional to their need to suppress that recognition. In this

> m,
> the apes and humans see nothing of themselves in each other. They

> es
> only because the story needs a conflict. The struggles are flashy

> organic ��� and thus not emotionally engaging or even frightening.
>
> Both films feature a sympathetic female chimpanzee who puts herself

>
> risk to help the male human astronaut. Again, there was some

> going beyond the earlier movie. The screenplay called for a growing
> attraction between the human protagonist Leo (Mark Wahlberg) and

> chimpanzee human rights activist Ari (Helena Bonham Carter). While

> consummated, their affection required them to ask if their shared

>
> for consciousness outweighed their physical differences. Rumors

> o
> why this subplot was watered down but regardless of the reason, the

>
> was ruined by the execution. Surely over Rick Baker's objection,

> up
> was deliberately designed to make her look more attractive by human
> standards: mascara, lipstick and a ridiculous Italian designer wig

>
> look a good deal more like Jennifer Anniston than a chimpanzee.

>
> while Ari is the most anti-racist character in the movie, her make-

> unintentionally delivers a racist message: trust those who look

> you.
>
> The earlier film established a cross-species empathy between

> Heston's character Taylor and chimpanzee Zira, despite their

> difference. When the grateful Heston asks to kiss her goodbye near

> 's
> ending, Zira exclaims, "all right, but you're so damned ugly!"

>
> the physical difference, rather than denying it, was the

> accomplishment. The characters never pretended that they were not

> y
> "ugly" to each other, but the Apes series interrogated that

> difference and u

> I've been meaning to post this for awhile.
>
> Is anyone here familiar with the artist Shag? I am a big fan of his

>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
>
> I like the little details on this painting, the fact that the tiki

>
>
> Here are some other Shag paintings that feature apes:
>
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/Hedonist/trembling.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/Sinners/Zaiusin.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/bananaliq.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/Tryptich.html"
>
>
> I am curious as to what others on this list think of these. Are

>
> Matt
>
>
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>
>
>

>
>
>

> In a message dated 10/19/02 9:53:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
>
> > The first definition of "art" in the dictionary I have

>
> The late Pauline Kael, who's opinion I value much higher than

>
> There is a difference between movies as art and, say, paintings or

>
> Movies are art of a certain kind, but not high art. Some,

>
> Where's Gene Siskel when we need him?
>
> -- Rory

> In a message dated 10/19/02 7:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > Here's where I "wow" you with my acumen, Rory, and it involves an

>
> The only thing you've "wowed" me with, Patrick, is how much you

>
> The name "Ulysse" is the French form of the Latin form (Ulysses--

>
> You're a riot, Patrick! Go see the movie and you'll know what I

>
> Ulysse--like Ulysses before him--is the type who would eat the

>
> Ummmmmm. . . . NO! What is the point here, Patrick? Certainly not

>
> -- Rory the puzzled

> I never thought of this idea, from a message left on imdb.com.

> think?
>
>
> View: thread | <A

> | <A

> Subject Posted by Date
> Taylor Jumping To Conclusions? *SPOILERS*
> by - <A

>
>
> In the (famous) final scene where Taylor encounters the decaying,

> Statue Of Liberty he drops to his knees in anguish screaming

> effect that (amongst other curses) "they blew it all to Hell".

> film he stated that it could have been a natural cataclysm or

> bombardments that destroyed the geography of this world. What makes

> suddenly realize, or become so sure that it was MAN that caused the
> destruction after all? If not for the subsequent sequels proving

> don't know that that is the conclusion he would have naturally come

> Any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
>
>

> Hey Matt and everyone,
> Yes I would agree it is art. Definitely.
>
> And by the way, I would even say Jackson Pollock is an artist. I

> art history in college, and I took painting, and graphics, and yada
> yada blah blah. You can't just sling paint on a wall and say "I
> paint just like JP". It's just that personally I hate that *()

> And a lot of the pretentious horse hockey that goes with being "an
> artist".
>
> A Piece of Work
>
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> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/19/02 7:03:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Here's where I "wow" you with my acumen, Rory, and it involves

> explication of the meanings of the names of the main character
> (Ulysse) and his "fallen" comrade (Antelle). Antelle comes from the
> Greek word "antelios" (from "anti" + "helios"), meaning "opposite

> sun" or "against the sun".
> >
> > The only thing you've "wowed" me with, Patrick, is how much you
> sound like the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"!
> >
> > The name "Ulysse" is the French form of the Latin form (Ulysses--
> actually "Ulixes" in Cassell's dictionary) of the Greek
> name "Odysseus" (of Homer's "Odyssey"); the name Odysseus comes

> the Greek word "odyssomai", which means "to be grieved" or "to be
> wroth at".
> >
> > You're a riot, Patrick! Go see the movie and you'll know what I
> mean. By the way, Merou is supposed to mean a grouper, a lowly
> fish. What do you make of the juxtaposition of Ulysse with Merou,
> Patrick?
> >
> > Ulysse--like Ulysses before him--is the type who would eat the
> forbidden fruit, acquiring Knowledge EVEN IF IT GETS HIM KICKED OUT
> OF THE COZY GARDEN/PRISON. Adam was not fully human until he

> Knowledge, which can ONLY be acquired through rebellion against the
> dictates of a "master" (God, in GENESIS, the "Orthodoxy" in the

> World). Do you get it yet, Rory?
> >
> > Ummmmmm. . . . NO! What is the point here, Patrick? Certainly

> the one on your head, so what the hell are you talking about?
> >
> > -- Rory the puzzled
>
> *** "... a grouper, a lowly fish..." Ever read "DUNE", Rory? Paul
> Atreides adopts the name "Muad'dib" which (if I remember correctly)
> means "a little mouse" associated with one of Arrakis' moons (like
> our "Man in the Moon"). Jesus is supposed to be the "Lamb of God"--
> the Paschal lamb which was slaughtered every Passover, its blood
> smeared on the lintel to keep away the Angel of Death.
> Ah, the name "Merou". A fish? Just ANY kind of fish? Read up on

> French history, Rory, and you'll discover a bizarre mythic ancestor
> to the ancient line of Frankish kings (pre-dating Charlemagne): the
> half-man/half-fish "Merovech" or "Merovee", the eponymous king who
> founded the Merovingian Dynasty. Read the book "The Holy Blood and
> the Holy Grail" by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, & Henry Lincoln
> for an astounding hypothesis concerning the supposed connection of
> modern day secret societies with the Knights Templar, the
> Merovingians (and the potential restoration of their bloodline to
> power in post-Modern France), and the "Grail" literature, which

> interpret as having to do with the Davidic Bloodline... through the
> historical Jesus, and his consort/wife Mary Magdalene.
> The name "Merou" has these sorts of historical connotations--to a
> Frenchman, if not you. The mythic merman Merovech probably

> somebody who came to France from across the Mediterranean; the
> authors of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" (the American title) suggest

> this connects the fall of Jerusalem (circa 70 A.D.) and the fleeing
> of the Royal Family (Mary Magdalene and her "holy child" by Jesus:
> symbolically, the "grail"--the fruit of her womb/chalice, carrying
> the Blood[line] of Jesus in it) to a safe haven, a Jewish diaspora
> community in the Langued'oc region of France.
> Hmmm... a voyage across the Mediterranean Sea, connecting the Holy
> Land with France... "Merovech" possibly being a symbolic
> representation of the Davidic Bloodline of Christ transplanting

> Judea to France (from which the Crusaders marched to reconquer the
> Holy Land from the Saracens)... "Merou" being a voyager through
> the "sea of space" who ultimately seeks to found a bloodline

> Nova & their son, Sirius) which will regain their once-proud

> as the "image of God" (etc.)... and the name "Ulysse", based on
> Ulysses/Odysseus, who also endured a long voyage back home to his
> wife Penelope and their son, Telemachus, to throw out the intruding
> suitors...
> THAT is what I make of the "juxtaposition" of Ulysse and Merou, you
> big ape! I think that Boulle knew his French history better than
> what's-his-name who wrote that book about him & his works which you
> got that "grouper" interpretation from (offhand, I can't remember

> author or title--I'm sure you'll clue me in). Perhaps Boulle knew a
> little something about the secret society discussed in the books by
> Baigent, Leigh, & Lincoln: the "Prieure de Sion"/"Priory of Zion",
> which allegedly seeks to restore a monarchy to France--an offshoot
> branch of the supposedly-sundered Merovingian Dynasty of old.
> Nostradamus, among other things, has a couple quatrains about

> man/half-fish" character... was he, too, making connections with

> Merovingian past of France, and their possible survival as a
> Bloodline throughout the Carolingian era and beyond?
>
> This is probably over the heads of most of the other guys on this
> Discussion Board, and I wouldn't deal with it at all if it didn't
> have something to do with the possible intended meanings of the

> Boulle gave his characters in "La Planete des Singes".
> And if you can't see the "point" I was getting at, regarding the
> cognitive processes at work in a Ulysses-like mind (as opposed to
> an "anti-helios"/"Antelle"-like mind), then perhaps you're cross-
> eyed, or Marty-Feldman-eyed. Go see an ophthalmologist, pronto!
>
> Patrick
>
>
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>
>
>

>
>
>

> The name "Merou" has these sorts of historical connotations--to a
> Frenchman, if not you. The mythic merman Merovech probably

> somebody who came to France from across the Mediterranean; the
> authors of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" (the American title) suggest

> this connects the fall of Jerusalem (circa 70 A.D.) and the fleeing
> of the Royal Family (Mary Magdalene and her "holy child" by Jesus:
> symbolically, the "grail"--the fruit of her womb/chalice, carrying
> the Blood[line] of Jesus in it) to a safe haven, a Jewish diaspora
> community in the Langued'oc region of France.
>
> Uhhh... true, and though some say that the masonic illuminati's

> is to protect the holy bloodline, still others claim that power has

> wrested away by satanic lodges, who worship Lucifer as a god, and

> others are trying to take over the world for their own devilish

> What are you thought on this Patrick?
>
>

> In a message dated 10/22/2002 7:03:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
> > I like the pun on the Power Records episode too!
> >
>
> I must have missed that one.
> What was the quote?
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Der Affen at it!

In a message dated 10/22/02 7:12:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I would say it's the 20th Century Fox logo.

Yeah, that's right.  That logo wasn't used until 1973.  The BATTLE poster has that logo on it.

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----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art


> I've been meaning to post this for awhile.
>
> Is anyone here familiar with the artist Shag? I am a big fan of his
artwork. I love the retro, cartoonish style and subject matter. Apparently
he is an Apes fan because several of his paintings have featured some of our
favorite simians. He had a gallery show here in Detroit last month, which I
attended. I asked him about Apes and he said he has been a big fan since he
was a kid and his favorite character is Zaius. One of the paintings on
display was this piece:
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
>
> I like the little details on this painting, the fact that the tiki statues
actually look like chimps. I asked how much it was and was told it was not
for sale, that it was already purchased "by the guy who owns the original
Lawgiver statue." I asked if that happened to be Brian from Apemania and was
told that it was. Small world....
>
>
> Here are some other Shag paintings that feature apes:
>
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/Hedonist/trembling.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/Sinners/Zaiusin.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/bananaliq.html"
>
> http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/Tryptich.html"
>
>
> I am curious as to what others on this list think of these. Are they art?
I think so...
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:09 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Something to ponder

I never thought of this idea, from a message left on imdb.com.  What do you think?


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Taylor Jumping To Conclusions? *SPOILERS*
by - Squrpleboy (Sat Oct 12 22:56:42) Ignore this User | Report Abuse

In the (famous) final scene where Taylor encounters the decaying, half-buried Statue Of Liberty he drops to his knees in anguish screaming something to the effect that (amongst other curses) "they blew it all to Hell". Earlier in the film he stated that it could have been a natural cataclysm or meteor bombardments that destroyed the geography of this world. What makes him suddenly realize, or become so sure that it was MAN that caused the destruction after all? If not for the subsequent sequels proving him right, I don't know that that is the conclusion he would have naturally come to, IMO. Any thoughts on this?





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----- Original Message -----
From: <veetus@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art


> Thanks, Matt. There was a freebie magazine here that had the "Banana
> Liquier" painting on the cover back in 1999. I sent one to Brian and one
to
> Booth Colman. Brian said on this very group that he doesn't have the
> original Lawgiver. He was outbid. He might have meant Brian Peck of
> "Apemania' (and voice of Zauis on the POTA video game). He has the copy
made
> for Sammy Davis Jr. It's the one at the Chambers tribute and the 30th
party.
> I've seen some Shag collectibles at Tower (stickers, coasters) but nothing
> Apes yet. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:02 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art
>
>
> > I've been meaning to post this for awhile.
> >
> > Is anyone here familiar with the artist Shag? I am a big fan of his
> artwork. I love the retro, cartoonish style and subject matter. Apparently
> he is an Apes fan because several of his paintings have featured some of
our
> favorite simians. He had a gallery show here in Detroit last month, which
I
> attended. I asked him about Apes and he said he has been a big fan since
he
> was a kid and his favorite character is Zaius. One of the paintings on
> display was this piece:
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
> >
> > I like the little details on this painting, the fact that the tiki
statues
> actually look like chimps. I asked how much it was and was told it was not
> for sale, that it was already purchased "by the guy who owns the original
> Lawgiver statue." I asked if that happened to be Brian from Apemania and
was
> told that it was. Small world....
> >
> >
> > Here are some other Shag paintings that feature apes:
> >
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/Hedonist/trembling.html"
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/Sinners/Zaiusin.html"
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/bananaliq.html"
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/Tryptich.html"
> >
> >
> > I am curious as to what others on this list think of these. Are they
art?
> I think so...
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 10/22/02 9:42:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
>
> > Actually I love all Aussie's except you and Pollack. You guys
> > related? Do you get naked and roll around on canvas? Oops, I'm
> > talking about Farrah, aren't I?
> > Well are you related to Farrah then? Does your hair swish when

> > swing your head? Or is that the sound of your empty head?
> >
> > Love,
> > Kassidy
> >
> >
> >
>
> Kassidy, you're a big meanie!
>

> In a message dated 10/22/2002 9:05:32 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > "A Tale of Two Planets" is, if my memory is not COMPLETELY shot,

> > title of one of the Power Records POTA TV Series stories.
> >
> > Michael
>
> I better correct my typo here...
>
> Actually Mr. Whitty, the story you're thinking of is "Battle of Two

>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Medicoms are in da house!

In a message dated 10/22/02 10:56:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hey, Tower has the Medicoms in, $12.99 each. Looks like stores are getting the first 2 sets (probably will depend on how these sell whether they order other sets). I picked up my bro Urko; wouldn't have bought him at the old price. The ones in this shipment are Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Ursus, Urko, TV Soldier, Movie Soldier A (the rare B won't be available; none of the rare ones will. hang onto them). These may reignite the Ape flame. - - - Jeff

Well, this is very nice news.  Now you can start building up your gorilla army, but as for re-igniting the flame?  Why don't we all bend over, stick a bic lighter between our cheeks and let 'em rip?
With all the beers T downs he'll light up all of Texas.

-- Arty Farty

Arty Farty had a party,
everyone in town was there.
Tootie Fruity lit a beauty,
everyone went out for air.

My mother taught me that one.

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----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Medicoms are in da house!


>
> In a message dated 10/22/02 11:34:02 PM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> << Arty Farty had a party,
> everyone in town was there.
> Tootie Fruity lit a beauty,
> everyone went out for air.
>
> My mother taught me that one. >>
>
> That explains alot actually....
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Medicoms are in da house!


>
> In a message dated 10/22/02 11:34:02 PM, Haristas@... writes:
>
> << Arty Farty had a party,
> everyone in town was there.
> Tootie Fruity lit a beauty,
> everyone went out for air.
>
> My mother taught me that one. >>
>
> That explains alot actually....
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <MTotsky@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Medicoms are in da house!


>
> In a message dated 10/23/02 12:21:53 AM, veetus@... writes:
>
> << Uh oh, you said the "al" word! Apologize, Matt, and go home while you
> still have a home to go to. I'll put in a good word for you with Rory.. >>
>
> I did that purposely. I know the little things to set Rory off. But you
had
> to go and blow it for me, didn't you Jeff?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes in Art


> Dear Michael, I love lots of Aussie's. I like Hugh whats-his-face
> and Olivia what's her name. OH ALL RIGHT, YOU'VE CAUGHT ME... where
> did you say you are on the map, now? I heard they were going to
> rename your home town Kanga-ville.
>
> Actually I love all Aussie's except you and Pollack. You guys
> related? Do you get naked and roll around on canvas? Oops, I'm
> talking about Farrah, aren't I?
> Well are you related to Farrah then? Does your hair swish when you
> swing your head? Or is that the sound of your empty head?
>
> Love,
> Kassidy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Good Night! (OT)

In a message dated 10/23/02 1:00:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

M. Night Shyamalan

his list of 10 favorite movies and why

"The Godfather" - - "Best film ever made. End of discussion".
  "The Exorcist" - - "Scariest movie ever made".
  "Jaws" - - "Balancing act of fear, fun and excitement".
  "Raiders of the Lost Ark" - - "Best adventure film ever made" (Night was
offered the chance to write "Indiana Jones 4" and turned it down)
  "Silence of the Lambs" - - "Best psychological thriller ever made".
  "Rocky" - - "Most inspiring film I've ever seen"
  "Dead Poet's Society" - - "The film that best connects with who I am"
  "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" - - "Best dramatic film ever made"
  "Star Wars" - - "Best sci-fi film ever made" (D'oh!)
  "Psycho" - - "Greatest break in film structure and greatest twist in one
film"
 
A pretty bland list, if you ask me.  He's got the same plastic imagination Schpealberg does.  Won't be expecting anything great from him.  "The Godfather" best film?!!!  I was watching some of it the other night, and I've decided that Marlon Brando in it is TERRIBLE!

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: JamesA1102@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:08 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz

OK can anyone guess where this is from?


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> It took you long enough to ask....
>
> We are a home school -- a little eccentric, maybe. I would have

>
>(My phobia is that Patrick is going to start correcting my posts! --
> "Hi Patrick.")
>
> --Helen

>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/19/02 1:24:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> > > Gosh **blush**. You remember me.
> > >
> > > I'm around.
> > >
> > > Helen
> >
> > I've always wondered, Helen, what is the Sand Hill School?
> >
> > -- Rory

> Since we're on the subject I pulled out the "Starlog" interview

> The "Starlog" is #291, October 2001. These are quotes from Burton:
>
> "You would have a better chance of surviving jumping off the

>
> "It's such a classic and it's so much of it's time that there's no

>
> "It's all about reversal. That's what I love about the material;

>
> "I don't consider (POTA2001) either left or right-wing. To me,

>
> "I like people to act like animals. Something about that appeals

>
> "The ultimate idea in the POTA mythology is that the apes act

>
> "I felt a little something for each character...since the movie

>
> "Before movies, people used to listen to weird campfire stories

>
> OK, "The Directors" series is made by the American Film

>
> Michael Keaton: "He's one of the only people I know, one of the

>
> Burton: "I wouldn't know a good script if it bit me in the face. I

>
> Keaton: "'Batman' was incredibly difficult and what people don't

>
> Martin Landau: "He's a visionary, and the things that interest him

>
> Let's sum up: You hire Burton, you're going to get a Burton

>
> The actual reason the natives took the clothing is probably an

>
> I'm sure whatever the original reason for suppression of the power

>
> It's kinda funny.
> Everyone sounds like Cylones.
> I love the way the themes are explained at a child's level.
> Patrick should watch these. Even his giant brain couldn't
> misconstrue them. But I'm sure he'll say the writers meant
> something else.

> -- Rory (who checked his spelling and found he forgot the r in

> [that's the word everything, not every word with an r in it])

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> And you believed that? HA! James is a fibber! If he's dyslexic
it must be
> maps that he sees backwards! HA! HA! HA! (James, you monkey
poop, you!)

> *** Is this the face that launched a thousand ships?
> Hi, Helen.

> The name "Merou" has these sorts of historical connotations--to a

>
> Uhhh... true, and though some say that the masonic illuminati's

> What are your thoughts on this, Patrick?

> Another classic PMT posting.
>
> Patrick, read up on modern history and you'll discover a kitten
> says "Merou".
>
> Boulle was saying this guy is a pussy.
>
> It also sounds a bit like "merangue", a dessert made from egg
> whites. This means Merou is white, and likes eggs.
>
> You are a great competitor in the Conclusions Jump aren't you?
>
> Michael

> In a message dated 10/23/02 11:35:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > *** Let it be known throughout all the planet of the talkin'

> >
> > P.M.T.
> Patrick
>
> Has it ever occurred to you, Patrick, that maybe if you did fool

>
> Anyway, "Mars Attacks"?!!! Yikes! That movie stinks! It's not

>
> -- Rory

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Topics in this digest:

1. Medium
From: "Michael Whitty"
2. Re: Good Night! (OT)
From: Haristas@...
3. Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz
From: JamesA1102@...
4. Re: Re: Apes in Art
From:
5. Re: Good Night! (OT)
From:
6. Re: Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz
From:
7. Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk... Hi!
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
8. Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME, veetus!
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
9. Re: Shiny Things
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
10. Re: Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz
From: Haristas@...
11. Re: Re: Apes in Art
From: Haristas@...
12. Re: Good Night! (OT)
From: Haristas@...
13. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
From: Haristas@...
14. Re: Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME, veetus!
From: Haristas@...
15. Re: "Return" Tape
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
16. Re: "Return" Tape
From: Haristas@...
17. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
From: "sand_hill_school"
18. Two-Minute Warning
From: Haristas@...
19. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
From: "james611102"
20. Re: Shiny Things
From: Haristas@...
21. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
From: Haristas@...
22. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk... Hi!
From: "sand_hill_school"
23. Secret Governments on the Planet of the Apes
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
24. Re: Oh please!
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
25. Re: Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME, veetus!
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"


Message: 1
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:18:12 +1000
From: "Michael Whitty"
Subject: Medium

This article is a little off topic, but it makes a great point about modern
movies and it made me think maybe Apes has a better chance as a TV Series.

http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/LawandOrder.jpg

Any thoughts?

Michael


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"Dead Poet's Society" - - "The film that best connects with who I am"
"One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" - - "Best dramatic film ever made"
"Star Wars" - - "Best sci-fi film ever made" (D'oh!)
"Psycho" - - "Greatest break in film structure and greatest twist in one
film"

A pretty bland list, if you ask me. He's got the same plastic imagination
Schpealberg does. Won't be expecting anything great from him. "The
Godfather" best film?!!! I was watching some of it the other night, and I've
decided that Marlon Brando in it is TERRIBLE!

-- Rory


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:08:50 EDT
From: JamesA1102@...
Subject: Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz

OK can anyone guess where this is from?
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:40:05 -0700
From:
Subject: Re: Re: Apes in Art

Kassidy, can't you ever be serious? Love, Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kassidy Rae"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:41 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Apes in Art


> Dear Michael, I love lots of Aussie's. I like Hugh whats-his-face
> and Olivia what's her name. OH ALL RIGHT, YOU'VE CAUGHT ME... where
> did you say you are on the map, now? I heard they were going to
> rename your home town Kanga-ville.
>
> Actually I love all Aussie's except you and Pollack. You guys
> related? Do you get naked and roll around on canvas? Oops, I'm
> talking about Farrah, aren't I?
> Well are you related to Farrah then? Does your hair swish when you
> swing your head? Or is that the sound of your empty head?
>
> Love,
> Kassidy
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>




Message: 5
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:44:26 -0700
From:
Subject: Re: Good Night! (OT)

They're planning another "Godfather" sequel, without Puzo. (see www.comingsoon.net ). And Drew Barrymore is to star in a sequel to "The Wizard of Oz". Crazy town. - - - Jeff

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 06:48:30 -0700
From:
Subject: Re: Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz

I forget which one, but one of the "Star Wars" films? - - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: JamesA1102@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:08 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz


OK can anyone guess where this is from?








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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:15:18 -0000
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
with "Handbasket" & "Wheels" & "Bakk".

Patrick

>
> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/19/02 1:24:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> > > Gosh **blush**. You remember me.
> > >
> > > I'm around.
> > >
> > > Helen
> >
> > I've always wondered, Helen, what is the Sand Hill School?
> >
> > -- Rory



Message: 8
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:33:08 -0000
From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
Subject: Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME, veetus!

--- In pota@y..., wrote:
Message: 10
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:38:38 EDT
From: Haristas@...
Subject: Re: Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz

In a message dated 10/23/02 9:47:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:


> I forget which one, but one of the "Star Wars" films? - - - Jeff
>
>

James, these are too easy. You need to go through sequences a frame at a
time to find those ones where you can't really tell what you're looking at.
Anyway, this is from the hunt in PLANET. You can see the corn under the
horses head on the right. Now, when during the hunt this frame is from is a
harder question. At first I thought it might be the two gorillas going after
Taylor with their net between them, but I can see that the gorilla horse"man"

There have been a couple of questions as to why I am always joking and a complaint that I don't talk POTA.  When I first asked a couple POTA questions to the group in general, I didn't get replies.   It took you guys months (for the most part) to even profess the SLIGHTEST interest in my pota tv web site. 

Don't get me wrong, we've been down this road and discussed that before.  I am merely making a point.  I could care less.

Now I don't discuss the minute details of WHY they did this or that in POTA because I think for the most part the writers and producers, etc. did not for the most part give a big hairy  WHY.  Mostly, if you've found an inconsistency, it's because it is a screw-up.  I enjoy the movies, and probably will always.  I still have a child-like view of them.  But I don't disect it too much.  I don't believe in fighting over it. I just love it.  I don't know a lot about sci-fi, and I can't tell you shit about the difference between sf and sci-fi. 

I read most of your posts here.  I rarely watch tv anymore. But the posts keep the movies alive for me. 

I'm busy with the children you know, and I'm writing something for a start up business selling e-books that is due to open up probably at the end of the year.  I make my choices.

Now I am being serious, and I am talking POTA.  Does anyone want me to share my point of view on anything particular in POTA? 

Yours eternally,

Kassidy Rae 

PS  My opinion is, IT'S NOT CIRCULAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Okay, Mr. There's-a-helicopter-in-PLANET!

> In a message dated 10/23/02 11:24:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
>
> > But after pointing out James' spelling errors, he pointed out
> > (to Michael, not to me directly) that he'd been diagnosed with
> > dyslexia, which "makes it hard sometimes" (as he said, if I

> > him right).
>
> Patrick
>
>
> And you believed that? HA! James is a fibber! If he's dyslexic

> maps that he sees backwards! HA! HA! HA! (James, you monkey poop,

>
> Anyway, I'm a terrible speller, and so I try to make sure

> correct before I push "send," but sometimes I miss things. So

> I've corrected others in the past AND WILL CONTINUE YOU TO! If I

> trouble others can too, especially those who think "a lot" is one

>
> -- Rory (who checked his spelling and found he forgot the r in

> [that's the word everything, not every word with an r in it])
>

>
>
>
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Medium
> From: "Michael Whitty"
> 2. Re: Good Night! (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 3. Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz
> From: JamesA1102@...
> 4. Re: Re: Apes in Art
> From:
> 5. Re: Good Night! (OT)
> From:
> 6. Re: Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz
> From:
> 7. Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk... Hi!
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> 8. Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME, veetus!
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> 9. Re: Shiny Things
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> 10. Re: Re: POTA Movie Cap Object Quiz
> From: Haristas@...
> 11. Re: Re: Apes in Art
> From: Haristas@...
> 12. Re: Good Night! (OT)
> From: Haristas@...
> 13. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
> From: Haristas@...
> 14. Re: Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME, veetus!
> From: Haristas@...
> 15. Re: "Return" Tape
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> 16. Re: "Return" Tape
> From: Haristas@...
> 17. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
> From: "sand_hill_school"
> 18. Two-Minute Warning
> From: Haristas@...
> 19. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
> From: "james611102"
> 20. Re: Shiny Things
> From: Haristas@...
> 21. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk......
> From: Haristas@...
> 22. Re: Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels... Helen Bakk... Hi!
> From: "sand_hill_school"
> 23. Secret Governments on the Planet of the Apes
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> 24. Re: Oh please!
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
> 25. Re: Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME, veetus!
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton"
>
>
>
>