.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 2:28:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

Does anyone want me to share my point of view on anything particular in POTA?

Yours eternally,

Kassidy Rae

Do you think that the Ape City set in PLANET, BENEATH and seen in clips on the TV show should have been bigger, and do you think it looks too much like Bedrock?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 5:49:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Give me a break. You always seem to forget that I emailed you
immediately to let you know I was just kidding.

I don't remember ever getting it, but I do remember being a half-an-hour late to work that morning because I just had to find this damned helicopter you were talking about -- and there wasn't one!  YOU STINKER!!!
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.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/2002 8:09:30 AM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

OK can anyone guess where this is from?


My guess is that it's from the television episode "The Liberator"..... <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 7:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

are we a group of academics or a "bunch" of ape fans?

I'd rather be a group of academics, but academics that act like a bunch of baboons!  Right James, you red-assed mandrill?!!!!

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/2002 10:40:04 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

James, these are too easy.  You need to go through sequences a frame at a time to find those ones where you can't really tell what you're looking at.  Anyway, this is from the hunt in PLANET.  You can see the corn under the horses head on the right.  Now, when during the hunt this frame is from is a harder question.  At first I thought it might be the two gorillas going after Taylor with their net between them, but I can see that the gorilla horse"man" in the back has one of those poles (whatever they're called), so I don't know.  Anyway, thanks for taking the time to capture the frame.

You're right.. My guess was WRONG... I didn't even look at the background to see the corn....<.html

Patrick

I have a fair idea what you've concluded about me and I'll take that
as a compliment from someone who makes such generally bizzare
conclusions about almost everything.

Again, I lost interest when I scrolled down and saw the volume of
your post and the agonies you went to in order to make a miniscule
point of limited value.

I agree there is a lot to a name. Some are more obvious than others,
but nearly always there is a link to be drawn between a chosen
character's name and something/someone the author wants related to
that character.

You will get no argument from me here.

My argument is that there is a limited level of sophistication
involved. The author will USUALLY make the parallel rather OBVIOUS
(not something that requires a degree to understand). I think the
amount of research required for your conclusion is too lengthy. But
I could be wrong. It could also be that, being a French author,
Boulle intended a simple parallel to a French audience that is not
too obvious to we non-french speaking folk.

However, I think you just go way too far into areas that are not
appropriate or relevant.

You have again manipulated mathematics to explain a coincidence and
then call it proof. Do you REALLY think Boulle went through all that
tying up of mythical events into a mathematical presentation Patrick?
If you do, you are insane and need help.

Michael

--- "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Another classic PMT posting.
> >
> > Patrick, read up on modern history and you'll discover a kitten
> > says "Merou".
> >
> > Boulle was saying this guy is a pussy.
> >
> > It also sounds a bit like "merangue", a dessert made from egg
> > whites. This means Merou is white, and likes eggs.
> >
> > You are a great competitor in the Conclusions Jump aren't you?
> >
> > Michael
>
> *** Mike, you do NOT want to know what I've concluded about you!
>
> If Boulle were alive today, maybe he'd "clue us in" on any meanings
> he may have had regarding the names of his characters. Since he's
> dead, and since I can read and make conclusions all by my lonesome,
> then I do so. So what? There are those (Dominic Crossan, for one, I
> believe) who think that the naming of Jesus' betrayer as "Judas"

was

> an intention antisemitic addition to the pseudohistorical story

told

> as "gospel". The name "Judas" is just another form of "Judah", the
> eponymous founder of the line of "yehudim"/"Jews", one of the 12

sons

> of Jacob/Israel. Thus, "Judah"/"Judas" stands for ALL Jews... and

the

> one disciple with this name is the villain in the story. What's in

a

> name? It seems, ONE HELL OF A LOT!
> I think comparing/contrasting the name "Merou" with the
> ancient "Merovech" (a name a Frenchman might be familiar with, if
> most others weren't) is valid. The "fish" connection doesn't just

end

> there, though. Jesus wanted his disciples to be "fishers of men",

and

> the symbol of the Fish was a Christian symbol before the Cross was.
> The Greek word for fish ["Ichthys"] is also an acronym for "Iesous
> CHristos THeou hUiou Soter": "Jesus Christ, of God the Son,

Savior".

> A descendant of "Ichthys"/Jesus might very well be portrayed as a
> half-fish/half-man character. And this "Merovech" character who
> arrived at Marseilles in southern Gaul/France, has a name which
> Boulle mysteriously echoes with his "Ulysse MEROU" character.
> There's a difference between "jumping to conclusions" and seeing
> obvious and not-too-obvious parallelisms between different sets of
> data.
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. The naming of "Jesus" is also quite interesting.

Linguistically,

> it is no different than the name "Joshua", the successor of Moses,
> who led the Israelites across the Jordan river and committed mass-
> murder against the Canaanites in order to settle the land that
> Jehovah had "promised" to their ancestor, Abraham. Joshua's full

name

> is "Joshua-ben-Nun", Joshua the son of Nun. The word "nun" in

Hebrew

> means FISH. The letter "nun" in the Hebrew alphabet has a gematria
> value of "50", and the father of the "Noah" character from

Babylonian

> mythology had a name which meant "the number fifty", which would

make

> Joshua/Jesus a "son of the Fish", a "son of 50", and a Noah-figure
> (in whose ship the few survivors of God's judgment will be...) all

in

> one. The half-man/half-fish "god" named Oannes, according to the
> Babylonian myth-historian Berossus, was the one who instructed
> Ziusudra (the Babylonian Noah/Utnapishtim) to build the ark. The
> duration of the "first age" (the time between the First Man/King

and

> the Flood) was said to be 432,000 years; the Biblical chronology

(in

> the Masoretic text) has it at 1,656 years, and both durations are
> tied in with the computations of the great cycle of the Precession

of

> the Equinoxes, thought to be 25,920 years. Every single year, the
> Earth precesses (wobbles like a top) back along the Ecliptic fifty
> arc-seconds, amounting to 72 years per arc-degree, or 2,160 years

(on

> average) through each of the Zodiacal "Ages". The Age of Taurus

ended

> about 2000 B.C., which is why Bull-worship faded away, and the Age

of

> Aries led to the Ram-gods (and the Lamb); the "Christian" Era,
> the "Age of Pisces" we're now in has immense significance for
> astrology afficionados... and the up-coming "Age of Aquarius" is

just

> on the horizon. The "Water Bearer" is set to pour out water (the

last

> judgment of God, as "in the days of Noah"?) upon the Earth, like
> the "bowls of wrath" mentioned in "Revelation". The number of
> the "saved" in Revelation, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of
> Israel, amounts to 144,000 people, which is exactly one-third of
> 432,000, the # of years Berossus gave for the "First Age" of Man.

The

> Hebrew number, 1,656 years amounts to 86,400 weeks (the same number
> of seconds in a day): 86,400 times 7 divided by 365.2422 equals
> 1655.887518... the "leap" days have to be "fudged" a bit, but this

is

> how it all ties together mathematically, folks.
> Curiously, it is during the transition from the Age of Pisces to

the

> Age of Aquarius (sometime around the 27th century) when Mankind on
> Earth reverts to an animal, while Ulysse Merou is off on his voyage
> there-and-back-again to Soror/Betelgeuse.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------ ---------------------

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> Sell a Home for Top $
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/jd3IAA/9_IolB/TM
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

-~->

>
>
>
>

>
>
>

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To bamboozle is usually and attempt to establish false authority.

Michael

I don't need to bamboozle to establish authority around here, my incredible knowledge of all things POTA and superior understanding of it does that for me.  That's why Patrick can't stand me.  Also, because I'm still humble enough to genuflect before the Lord High and Mighty.  That really drives Patrick nuttier than he already is, the lowly pimple on a baboon's buttock that he is.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 1:53:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

If Boulle were alive today

If Boulle were alive today the old French queen would think you were the silliest American twit alive!<.html

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 7:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlccougar@... writes:

My guess is that it's from the television episode "The Liberator".....

Well, if it is from a TV episode it's wider than 4.3:1.
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> Anyway, I'm a terrible speller, and so I try to make sure

everything is correct before I push "send," but sometimes I miss
things. So that's why I've corrected others in the past AND WILL
CONTINUE YOU TO! If I take the trouble others can too, especially
those who think "a lot" is one work.

>
> -- Rory (who checked his spelling and found he forgot the r in

everything!

> [that's the word everything, not every word with an r in it])

DEAR RORY,
IF I TAKE THE TROUBLE OTHERS CAN TOO, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO THINK "A
LOT" IS ONE "WORD"

NOT WORK

NYA NYA NYA NYA

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/2002 6:53:57 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Well, if it is from a TV episode it's wider than 4.3:1.

Hey now, I corrected my mistake... I just glanced at the two gorillas on horseback and fired of a reply without really even looking at the picture....<.html

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> >
>
> Do you think that the Ape City set in PLANET, BENEATH and seen in

clips on

> the TV show should have been bigger, and do you think it looks too

much like

> Bedrock?
>
> -- Rory

Of course it looked like the Flintstones, no it didn't bother me in
the original movies, because they had some external shots that looked
good. Like when Chuck is running around in the city in the first
movie, I liked it just fine, because they showed enough of exteriors
for it to work for me.

But the tv show, they just showed that far off scene, blurry, wasn't
it? It didn't look good, anyway. Then they go straight inside a
building. They never showed much of the outside of anything other
than a single house, which was disappointing. Showed a lack of
budget (or the fact that it mostly went into make-up?). But you know
me, it didn't BOTHER me, not really. Just a bit cheesy.

By the way, where the heck do the apes go potty? Where do they put
garbage?
Kassidy

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 7:46:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

It could also be that, being a French author, Boulle intended a simple parallel to a French audience that is not too obvious to we non-french speaking folk.

Not parallel, Mike, parable.  I don't think Patrick means to say that Boulle consciously knew the inferences in and to the story he invented, but instead that Patrick is engaging in a "deconstruction" of his novel (and the film series) to amuse and engage himself, and to show all of us what a bright and BORING!!!!! sod he is!  What Patrick's lengthy posts have given us is the most blatant display of exhibitionistic pseudointellectual masturbation that we can all thank the Lawgiver that we're getting it via the internet, otherwise we'd have all drowned long ago in the putrid cum of his ludicrous ejaculations!!!

Have I made myself clear?

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 8:13:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

DEAR RORY,
IF I TAKE THE TROUBLE OTHERS CAN TOO, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO THINK "A
LOT" IS ONE "WORD"

NOT WORK

NYA NYA NYA NYA

D'OH!!!!!<.html

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if the last one was too easy try this.

YIKES!  That's under the water after the spaceship crashes. <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 8:24:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

This article is a little off topic, but it makes a great point about modern movies and it made me think maybe Apes has a better chance as a TV Series.

http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/LawandOrder.jpg

Any thoughts?

Michael

I couldn't read it, too low-res.  What did it say -- in a nutshell.

-- Rory<.html

Yes.

Thanks for the mantal picture.

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/23/02 7:46:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > It could also be that, being a French author, Boulle intended a

simple

> > parallel to a French audience that is not too obvious to we non-

french

> > speaking folk.
> >
> >
>
> Not parallel, Mike, parable. I don't think Patrick means to say

that Boulle

> consciously knew the inferences in and to the story he invented,

but instead

> that Patrick is engaging in a "deconstruction" of his novel (and

the film

> series) to amuse and engage himself, and to show all of us what a

bright and

> BORING!!!!! sod he is! What Patrick's lengthy posts have given us

is the

> most blatant display of exhibitionistic pseudointellectual

masturbation that

> we can all thank the Lawgiver that we're getting it via the

internet,

> otherwise we'd have all drowned long ago in the putrid cum of his

ludicrous

> ejaculations!!!
>
> Have I made myself clear?
>
> -- Rory
>

I will re-scan and go with a larger version.

Essentially it is saying that with movies these days the bottom line
is $ and this means TV can be a better medium for good acting/drama.

You really should read it all though - it is an interesting read, so
I shall re-do!

Michael

.htmlIn a message dated 10/23/02 9:10:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, valwp@... writes:

By the way, where the heck do the apes go potty?  Where do they put
garbage?
Kassidy

When I was a kid I never thought that Ape City looked like the Flintstones.  Only in the past ten years, since I've heard other people say it have I thought it looks too Flintstonyish.  Maybe Bedrock on acid would be a good description.

As for where do the apes go potty. . . Only someone like you, Kassidio, who's had to potty train a couple little rug rats would think of such a thing.  However, I did ask a while ago if the apes had toilet paper.  Now, I wonder that if they did have toilet paper, given that apes have such hairy asses, what kind of problems would they have with dingle-berries?

This is good serious POTA stuff to ponder.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:24 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pota serious stuff

There have been a couple of questions as to why I am always joking and a complaint that I don't talk POTA.  When I first asked a couple POTA questions to the group in general, I didn't get replies.   It took you guys months (for the most part) to even profess the SLIGHTEST interest in my pota tv web site. 

Don't get me wrong, we've been down this road and discussed that before.  I am merely making a point.  I could care less.

Now I don't discuss the minute details of WHY they did this or that in POTA because I think for the most part the writers and producers, etc. did not for the most part give a big hairy  WHY.  Mostly, if you've found an inconsistency, it's because it is a screw-up.  I enjoy the movies, and probably will always.  I still have a child-like view of them.  But I don't disect it too much.  I don't believe in fighting over it. I just love it.  I don't know a lot about sci-fi, and I can't tell you shit about the difference between sf and sci-fi. 

I read most of your posts here.  I rarely watch tv anymore. But the posts keep the movies alive for me. 

I'm busy with the children you know, and I'm writing something for a start up business selling e-books that is due to open up probably at the end of the year.  I make my choices.

Now I am being serious, and I am talking POTA.  Does anyone want me to share my point of view on anything particular in POTA? 

Yours eternally,

Kassidy Rae 

PS  My opinion is, IT'S NOT CIRCULAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Good Night! (OT)

In a message dated 10/23/02 9:43:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  They're planning another "Godfather" sequel, without Puzo. (see www.comingsoon.net

). And Drew Barrymore is to star in a sequel to "The Wizard of Oz". Crazy town. - - - Jeff

Yeah, I know, O Lord High and Mighty, but why am I not very excited?

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As a kid I was so crushed by the cancellation of the POTA TV show, so I
tried hard to watch the cartoons but I just couldn't watch it. It just
wasn't the same without the makeup. Now I actually enjoy the cartoons as
part lark and part interesting story. I know more about the world of TV
animation and can accept it as a product of that world. One thing it had on
the live-action series was a continuing storyline, which I prefered. Yeah,
Eric's book points out that Urko looks like Nixon for a minute in one of the
episodes. They could do a lot better with an animated series today. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] "Return" Tape


> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > It's kinda funny.
> > Everyone sounds like Cylones.
> > I love the way the themes are explained at a child's level.
> > Patrick should watch these. Even his giant brain couldn't
> > misconstrue them. But I'm sure he'll say the writers meant
> > something else.
>
> *** Cylones? You mean the 'Cylons' from BATTLESTAR GALACTICA?
> As for the "Return" series, I didn't get mine from James; I ordered a
> set of both the live-action TV show and the animated show from some
> guy on Ebay... paid around $50.00 for 'em. Just half a year prior to
> the TV show being released on DVD! Drat!
> When I was a 10/11-year-old kid watching "Return" on TV, in its
> original airing, I wasn't all that impressed with it. It's easier to
> animate cars and airplanes than to animate horses... so they went the
> cheap route and modernized Ape City, without changing the clothing
> styles, though! I don't HATE it, though; they DID try to do a little
> bit of surreptitious commentary on the real world in it. Urko,
> according to Eric Greene's book, was evocative of Nixon in some ways.
> He had "enemies" (like Breck's "Achilles List" a la Nixon's "enemies
> list") and wanted to escalate a war against the "third-world humans"
> like Nixon in Vietnam.
> But, for the LIFE of me, I still don't know that the f*ck they meant
> when they referred to "Dr. Stanton's theory of Time Thrust"... WHAT?
> Sounds like just a bunch of pseudoscientific gobbledygook; why not
> just drag out "Dr Hasslein's theory of Time in a vehicle travelling
> nearly the speed of light"? As long as we're talking about Relativity
> then I don't have a problem with it--it's the most plausible way
> to "jump" a protagonist (or 3) into the Future. But "Time Thrust"?
> What is that supposed to be?
>
> Patrick
>
> P.S. My brain isn't as giant as the Gestalt mutants B-1 (etc.) in
> Marvel's "TERROR" series. Sometimes Rory gives me a headache that
> feels like it could fill such a volume of grey matter, though...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Mars Attacks" is pretty good. I liked it much better than "Sleepy Hollow"
(which I think Patrick said he liked). But I think Burton needs to broaden
his horizons beyond cheesy movies and black with a smidge of red. He needs
to reinvent HIMSELF. But he's an artist. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Don't pin this pro-Burton love-fest on ME,
veetus!


> --- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/23/02 11:35:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > *** Let it be known throughout all the planet of the talkin'
> monkeys that I, Patrick M[ichael]. T[ilton]., did NOT put my
> imprimatur on the above passage! Burton's flicks are half-&-half;
> some I like ("Mars Attacks" & "Sleepy Hollow") and some I'm not all
> that hyped on ("Batman Returns" & "Planet of the Apes 2K"). Dyslexia,
> hey, I'll let that slide... but FORGERY? If we start down that dark
> road, well, you don't wanna know what kinds of forgeries I might be
> capable of! So, beware, you beast, Veetus, for ye is the Dabble's
> pawn...
> > >
> > > P.M.T.
> > Patrick
> >
> > Has it ever occurred to you, Patrick, that maybe if you did fool
> around a little you might be more interesting? But then you've
> rarely displayed much of an appreciation for mocking as a form of
> endearment, you stinker!
> >
> > Anyway, "Mars Attacks"?!!! Yikes! That movie stinks! It's not
> as boring as POTA 2K, but it's bad just the same.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> *** I thought "Mars Attacks" was a laff-riot. I can remember those
> commercials from the 70's of Slim Whitman records allegedly out-
> selling the Beatles (!). Where? What backwater hick-country in
> Alabammy sold more 45's of Slim than of the Fab Four? The idea that
> those yodeling monstrosities are the only way to kill off the
> Martians had me screaming with laughter. I admit, I was only one of a
> few in the theater who "got" that joke... but, still!
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Helen A. Handbasket... Helen Wheels...

In a message dated 10/23/02 7:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

To bamboozle is usually and attempt to establish false authority.

Michael

I don't need to bamboozle to establish authority around here, my incredible knowledge of all things POTA and superior understanding of it does that for me.  That's why Patrick can't stand me.  Also, because I'm still humble enough to genuflect before the Lord High and Mighty.  That really drives Patrick nuttier than he already is, the lowly pimple on a baboon's buttock that he is.

-- Rory

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Here's a tip Pat in your quest to find God, or to disprove if you like.  You're good with minutia.  Focus on one area of interest.  As I said, it's subtle, but eventually you will find too many coincidences, or co-inky-dinks as they say, to be a coincidence.  Most people know that the NY lotto numbers on the pick 3 on the anniversary of 9-11 were in fact 911.  But not as many know that the winning number on the day that flight 587 crashed in Queens, NY., in two separate drawing I might add, were 5-8-7 and 5-7-8.  Why didn't this trivia tidbit escape me?  Because of the date it happened on, 11-12-2002 -- Kim's birthday.  The signs are everywhere.  I wouldn't focus that giant brain of yours strictly on numbers though, or you might end up like that guy in the movie Pi.<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 6:35 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Oh please!

Here's a tip Pat in your quest to find God, or to disprove if you like.  You're good with minutia.  Focus on one area of interest.  As I said, it's subtle, but eventually you will find too many coincidences, or co-inky-dinks as they say, to be a coincidence.  Most people know that the NY lotto numbers on the pick 3 on the anniversary of 9-11 were in fact 911.  But not as many know that the winning number on the day that flight 587 crashed in Queens, NY., in two separate drawing I might add, were 5-8-7 and 5-7-8.  Why didn't this trivia tidbit escape me?  Because of the date it happened on, 11-12-2002 -- Kim's birthday.  The signs are everywhere.  I wouldn't focus that giant brain of yours strictly on numbers though, or you might end up like that guy in the movie Pi.

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HHHMMMmmmm....Pi

Yeah, "Pi" (1998).  I've never seen this movie.  How is it?  I know it's contrasty, grainy black and white, low-budget, but was it interesting or boring?

-- Rory <.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/24/02 5:43:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Is this OT?  No.  Did anyone see James Naughton play an evil psychologist in an episode in Season 1?

Yeah, I did.  So far this season though I've been giving "L&O:CI" a pass in favor of "The Sopranos" on HBO at the same time.  I could tape the show but they'll all be rerun anyway so I'll see them later.

You Aussies gotten any "Sopranos" yet?

My favorite cop show still on the air remains "NYPD Blue," which is shot on the Fox lot on the same stages that PLANET was shot on.  The New York Street in the show was built for "Hello Dolly" over thirty years ago.  So far this season the show is still excellent.

I'm still pissed "Homicide: Life on the Streets" got canceled.  That used to be great.  Vincent D'Onofrio played a guy on that show that got his body cut in half by a subway train -- and lived for a while.  Did anybody see that?

That's all I pretty much watch, cop shows, "E.R." and "The Sopranos."   Other than that it's news or movies.

-- Rory <.html

Did he have to go to Evil Graduate School to get his degree?

--- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK
>
> Hope you can read this.
>
> Is this OT? No. Did anyone see James Naughton play an evil
psychologist in
> an episode in Season 1?
>
> http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/CrimIntent.jpg
>
> Michael

I don't know but he was a very naughty boy.

Every time I see him now I think of him behind the bushes....

Michael

--- "james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> Did he have to go to Evil Graduate School to get his degree?
>
> --- In pota@y..., "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > OK
> >
> > Hope you can read this.
> >
> > Is this OT? No. Did anyone see James Naughton play an evil
> psychologist in
> > an episode in Season 1?
> >
> > http://users.cyberone.com.au/whitty/CrimIntent.jpg
> >
> > Michael
>
>
> ------------------------ ---------------------

~-->

> Sell a Home for Top $
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/jd3IAA/9_IolB/TM
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

-~->

>
>
>
>

>
>
>

Behind the Bushes??? Are you making fun of our President and his
family????

--- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I don't know but he was a very naughty boy.
>
> Every time I see him now I think of him behind the bushes....
>
> Michael

I saw one episode of the Sopranos and found it quite slow. I will
start from the beginning when they go to repeats.

NYPD blue is all over the place here. We got half way through the
series where I believe young Ricky Schroder is killed...I read that
somewhere but don't tell me any more. They get good ratings here so
they use the new series as a trunp card at the cost of continuity. I
think one of the last episodes I saw was when Andy tries to hook up
with his first wife again....I'm getting really impatient. The
stories are of a high quality (usually) and you don't know what they
are going to do with any of the characters - much like Law and Order,
the constant changing of at least one lead character keeps it ticking
over.

I like that new series about the lawyer who got busted for cocaine
possession...what's that called again?

Criminal Intent is great as are all the Law & Order show - luv 'em.

Never saw "Homocide - Life on the Streets".

Michael

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/24/02 5:43:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Is this OT? No. Did anyone see James Naughton play an evil

psychologist in

> > an episode in Season 1?
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, I did. So far this season though I've been giving "L&O:CI" a

pass in

> favor of "The Sopranos" on HBO at the same time. I could tape the

show but

> they'll all be rerun anyway so I'll see them later.
>
> You Aussies gotten any "Sopranos" yet?
>
> My favorite cop show still on the air remains "NYPD Blue," which is

shot on

> the Fox lot on the same stages that PLANET was shot on. The New

York Street

> in the show was built for "Hello Dolly" over thirty years ago. So

far this

> season the show is still excellent.
>
> I'm still pissed "Homicide: Life on the Streets" got canceled.

That used to

> be great. Vincent D'Onofrio played a guy on that show that got his

body cut

> in half by a subway train -- and lived for a while. Did anybody

see that?

>
> That's all I pretty much watch, cop shows, "E.R." and "The

Sopranos." Other

> than that it's news or movies.
>
> -- Rory
>

No, I mean that gay boys story I read about Burke and Virdon.

The mental picture lingers.....

Michael

--- "james611102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> Behind the Bushes??? Are you making fun of our President and his
> family????
>
> --- In pota@y..., "whitty@c..." <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > I don't know but he was a very naughty boy.
> >
> > Every time I see him now I think of him behind the bushes....
> >
> > Michael
>
>
>
> ------------------------ ---------------------

~-->

> Sell a Home for Top $
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/jd3IAA/9_IolB/TM
> --------------------------------------------------------------------

-~->

>
>
>
>

>
>
>

do they have the japanese writing on them? I have a whole set of
the japanese ones but I will buy an American set to open

tim

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> The packaging on the domestic Medicoms are the same,
except the originals had a small Medicom flyer/brochure under
the figure's feet that aren't in the new ones. My advice is to keep
the originals in the package. Sounds like small potatoes but
"Star Wars" figures can go up $100 or more because of a serial
number. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: pota@y...
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Medicoms are in da
house!
>
>
> In a message dated 10/22/02 10:56:50 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, veetus@e... writes:
>
>
>
> Hey, Tower has the Medicoms in, $12.99 each. Looks like
stores are getting the first 2 sets (probably will depend on how
these sell whether they order other sets). I picked up my bro
Urko; wouldn't have bought him at the old price. The ones in this
shipment are Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Ursus, Urko, TV Soldier,
Movie Soldier A (the rare B won't be available; none of the rare
ones will. hang onto them). These may reignite the Ape flame. - -
- Jeff
>
>
>
> Well, this is very nice news. Now you can start building up
your gorilla army, but as for re-igniting the flame? Why don't we
all bend over, stick a bic lighter between our cheeks and let 'em
rip?
> With all the beers T downs he'll light up all of Texas.
>
> -- Arty Farty
>
> Arty Farty had a party,
> everyone in town was there.
> Tootie Fruity lit a beauty,
> everyone went out for air.
>
> My mother taught me that one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

There's a Shag Zaius sticker on sale at
Wickedcoolstuff.com...here's the link.....

http://store.yahoo.com/wickedcoolstuff/shagprofstic.html"


tim

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Thanks, Matt. There was a freebie magazine here that had the
"Banana
> Liquier" painting on the cover back in 1999. I sent one to Brian
and one to
> Booth Colman. Brian said on this very group that he doesn't
have the
> original Lawgiver. He was outbid. He might have meant Brian
Peck of
> "Apemania' (and voice of Zauis on the POTA video game). He
has the copy made
> for Sammy Davis Jr. It's the one at the Chambers tribute and
the 30th party.
> I've seen some Shag collectibles at Tower (stickers, coasters)
but nothing
> Apes yet. - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MTotsky@a...>
> To: <pota@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:02 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art
>
>
> > I've been meaning to post this for awhile.
> >
> > Is anyone here familiar with the artist Shag? I am a big fan of
his
> artwork. I love the retro, cartoonish style and subject matter.
Apparently
> he is an Apes fan because several of his paintings have
featured some of our
> favorite simians. He had a gallery show here in Detroit last
month, which I
> attended. I asked him about Apes and he said he has been a
big fan since he
> was a kid and his favorite character is Zaius. One of the
paintings on
> display was this piece:
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
> >
> > I like the little details on this painting, the fact that the tiki
statues
> actually look like chimps. I asked how much it was and was
told it was not
> for sale, that it was already purchased "by the guy who owns
the original
> Lawgiver statue." I asked if that happened to be Brian from
Apemania and was
> told that it was. Small world....
> >
> >
> > Here are some other Shag paintings that feature apes:
> >
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/Hedonist/trembling.html"
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/Sinners/Zaiusin.html"
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/bananaliq.html"
> >
> > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/Tryptich.html"
> >
> >
> > I am curious as to what others on this list think of these. Are
they art?
> I think so...
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >

Yes, the packaging is exactly the same, except the Japanese ones have the
Medicom flyer under the figure's feet (at least mine do) and the new ones
don't. By the way, those who want the originals might start looking at
collectibles stores now that word is getting around about the lowered price.
You might even be able to snag the rare ones for a song (Brown Cornelius,
Soldier Ape B, Conquest chimp with gun, what was the fourth one? Something
about "Battle"). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <apefan23@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Medicoms are in da house!


> do they have the japanese writing on them? I have a whole set of
> the japanese ones but I will buy an American set to open
>
> tim
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > The packaging on the domestic Medicoms are the same,
> except the originals had a small Medicom flyer/brochure under
> the figure's feet that aren't in the new ones. My advice is to keep
> the originals in the package. Sounds like small potatoes but
> "Star Wars" figures can go up $100 or more because of a serial
> number. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@a...
> > To: pota@y...
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Medicoms are in da
> house!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/22/02 10:56:50 PM Eastern Daylight
> Time, veetus@e... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey, Tower has the Medicoms in, $12.99 each. Looks like
> stores are getting the first 2 sets (probably will depend on how
> these sell whether they order other sets). I picked up my bro
> Urko; wouldn't have bought him at the old price. The ones in this
> shipment are Cornelius, Zira, Lucius, Ursus, Urko, TV Soldier,
> Movie Soldier A (the rare B won't be available; none of the rare
> ones will. hang onto them). These may reignite the Ape flame. - -
> - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, this is very nice news. Now you can start building up
> your gorilla army, but as for re-igniting the flame? Why don't we
> all bend over, stick a bic lighter between our cheeks and let 'em
> rip?
> > With all the beers T downs he'll light up all of Texas.
> >
> > -- Arty Farty
> >
> > Arty Farty had a party,
> > everyone in town was there.
> > Tootie Fruity lit a beauty,
> > everyone went out for air.
> >
> > My mother taught me that one.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yeah! I think those Shag things are Tower exclusives. Haven't seen the
Zaauis, hopefully they'll get them in. Tower rules. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <apefan23@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art


> There's a Shag Zaius sticker on sale at
> Wickedcoolstuff.com...here's the link.....
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/wickedcoolstuff/shagprofstic.html"
>
>
> tim
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Thanks, Matt. There was a freebie magazine here that had the
> "Banana
> > Liquier" painting on the cover back in 1999. I sent one to Brian
> and one to
> > Booth Colman. Brian said on this very group that he doesn't
> have the
> > original Lawgiver. He was outbid. He might have meant Brian
> Peck of
> > "Apemania' (and voice of Zauis on the POTA video game). He
> has the copy made
> > for Sammy Davis Jr. It's the one at the Chambers tribute and
> the 30th party.
> > I've seen some Shag collectibles at Tower (stickers, coasters)
> but nothing
> > Apes yet. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <MTotsky@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:02 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art
> >
> >
> > > I've been meaning to post this for awhile.
> > >
> > > Is anyone here familiar with the artist Shag? I am a big fan of
> his
> > artwork. I love the retro, cartoonish style and subject matter.
> Apparently
> > he is an Apes fan because several of his paintings have
> featured some of our
> > favorite simians. He had a gallery show here in Detroit last
> month, which I
> > attended. I asked him about Apes and he said he has been a
> big fan since he
> > was a kid and his favorite character is Zaius. One of the
> paintings on
> > display was this piece:
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
> > >
> > > I like the little details on this painting, the fact that the tiki
> statues
> > actually look like chimps. I asked how much it was and was
> told it was not
> > for sale, that it was already purchased "by the guy who owns
> the original
> > Lawgiver statue." I asked if that happened to be Brian from
> Apemania and was
> > told that it was. Small world....
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some other Shag paintings that feature apes:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/Hedonist/trembling.html"
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/Sinners/Zaiusin.html"
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/bananaliq.html"
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/Tryptich.html"
> > >
> > >
> > > I am curious as to what others on this list think of these. Are
> they art?
> > I think so...
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

POTA2001 begins in 2029. 2029 is also the nightmare future of "The
Terminator" (thus, Alex could do a 2029.com site devoted to both Terminator
AND POTA). "Terminator" creator James Cameron was going to do the remake of
POTA. And Oliver Stone's "JFK" gives 2029 as the year the US archives on the
Kennedy assassination would be released. And Stone was going to do a POTA
remake. What gives? Is it sheer coincidence or something more? Patrick, over
to you...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <apefan23@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art


> There's a Shag Zaius sticker on sale at
> Wickedcoolstuff.com...here's the link.....
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/wickedcoolstuff/shagprofstic.html"
>
>
> tim
>
> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Thanks, Matt. There was a freebie magazine here that had the
> "Banana
> > Liquier" painting on the cover back in 1999. I sent one to Brian
> and one to
> > Booth Colman. Brian said on this very group that he doesn't
> have the
> > original Lawgiver. He was outbid. He might have meant Brian
> Peck of
> > "Apemania' (and voice of Zauis on the POTA video game). He
> has the copy made
> > for Sammy Davis Jr. It's the one at the Chambers tribute and
> the 30th party.
> > I've seen some Shag collectibles at Tower (stickers, coasters)
> but nothing
> > Apes yet. - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <MTotsky@a...>
> > To: <pota@y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:02 PM
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes in Art
> >
> >
> > > I've been meaning to post this for awhile.
> > >
> > > Is anyone here familiar with the artist Shag? I am a big fan of
> his
> > artwork. I love the retro, cartoonish style and subject matter.
> Apparently
> > he is an Apes fan because several of his paintings have
> featured some of our
> > favorite simians. He had a gallery show here in Detroit last
> month, which I
> > attended. I asked him about Apes and he said he has been a
> big fan since he
> > was a kid and his favorite character is Zaius. One of the
> paintings on
> > display was this piece:
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/drunkcleric.html"
> > >
> > > I like the little details on this painting, the fact that the tiki
> statues
> > actually look like chimps. I asked how much it was and was
> told it was not
> > for sale, that it was already purchased "by the guy who owns
> the original
> > Lawgiver statue." I asked if that happened to be Brian from
> Apemania and was
> > told that it was. Small world....
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some other Shag paintings that feature apes:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/Hedonist/trembling.html"
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/Sinners/Zaiusin.html"
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/bananaliq.html"
> > >
> > > http://www.shag-art.com/leisureprinciple/Tryptich.html"
> > >
> > >
> > > I am curious as to what others on this list think of these. Are
> they art?
> > I think so...
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.htmlIn a message dated 10/24/2002 4:47:55 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I know it's contrasty, grainy black and white, low-budget, but was it interesting or boring?


I thought it was, but being a film student I find that sort of thing interesting.  You might or you might not.<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/24/02 8:09:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Never saw "Homocide - Life on the Streets".

Michael

Too bad.  That was a really good show.  Did you ever get "Northern Exposure" down under?  That used to be a favorite too.

-- Rory<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:59 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Medium - Take 2

In a message dated 10/24/02 8:09:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Never saw "Homocide - Life on the Streets".

Michael

Too bad.  That was a really good show.  Did you ever get "Northern Exposure" down under?  That used to be a favorite too.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 10/25/02 12:36:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hey! Another Mark Wahlberg remake is heading to cinemas tomorrow. "The Truth About Charlie" is a redo of the Cary Grant classic "Charade" (a favorite of Miss Natalie Trundy) and is directed by Jonathan ("Silence of the Lambs") Demme. Should be a blast! - - - Jeff

It's being called incredibly bad over at Ain't-It-Cool-News.  I believe it.  Wahlberg's career is going to be in BIG trouble if he keeps making bad movies.

-- Rory<.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wahlbergs Must Be Remembered, Charlie

In a message dated 10/25/02 12:36:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hey! Another Mark Wahlberg remake is heading to cinemas tomorrow. "The Truth About Charlie" is a redo of the Cary Grant classic "Charade" (a favorite of Miss Natalie Trundy) and is directed by Jonathan ("Silence of the Lambs") Demme. Should be a blast! - - - Jeff

It's being called incredibly bad over at Ain't-It-Cool-News.  I believe it.  Wahlberg's career is going to be in BIG trouble if he keeps making bad movies.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

.htmlI just saw "Bowling for Columbine."  T has got to see this movie, not because I think it'll change his attitude about guns or any of that crap, but just to see Chuckles at the end.  Oh, how painful it was to watch poor old Chuck.  Made me feel kind of sorry for him, sorrier than I already have for years.

Anyway, I found the movie more interesting on how it gets you to thinking how really absurd it is in this country that the media is always trying to tell you "lookout for this threat, or be afraid of that person, or just generally live in constant fear."  Why?  So they can try and sell you something.  This is truly an insane atmosphere we live in.  It did used to be like this, the constant barrage of media messages.  Of course you have the option of turning off the TV and radio, staying away from movies and newspapers, and not looking at signs or billboards, but it that the way to live?

The movie gets you to think, but has no answers.

-- Rory  <.html

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.htmlHar anybody ever heard of or just plain heard this album?

-- Rory


From1974, comes this bizarre psych album based on the science fiction theme of The Planet Of The Apes. In between songs, you will hear Gaylen, Dr.Zaius, and Irko! The LP has nice psych and the group is unamed, while the album is entitled, Planet Of The Apes-A Musical Trip. It is on TPI Records 1001. TPI stands for Terry Philips Inc. Not sure where this was recorded, East Coast versus West Coast, but certainly a VERY worthwhile LP for the psych-head! Guitars run through effects, and wahwahing. A winner! Cover in shrink, small white on top seam where shrink has worn away, record is mint minus.
Click here: eBay item 915981973 (Ends Oct-31-02 19:26:42 PST ) - Rare psych based on Planet Of The Apes!!! <.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicom Fever

  For those eager to enjoy some reasonably priced Medicom bliss, why not stroll down memory lane and partake of Matt's great review from April ' 01? I think http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_041601.htm should get you there. If not, let me say,"D'oh!" in advance.

 If only Medicom would release those POTA tin toys domestically! - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wahlbergs Must Be Remembered, Charlie

In a message dated 10/25/02 12:36:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hey! Another Mark Wahlberg remake is heading to cinemas tomorrow. "The Truth About Charlie" is a redo of the Cary Grant classic "Charade" (a favorite of Miss Natalie Trundy) and is directed by Jonathan ("Silence of the Lambs") Demme. Should be a blast! - - - Jeff

It's being called incredibly bad over at Ain't-It-Cool-News.  I believe it.  Wahlberg's career is going to be in BIG trouble if he keeps making bad movies.

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

<.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:21 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] They're not making this up

  I stopped by Tower to uh, heh heh heh, pick up an Ursus to open. The new "Makeup Artist Magazine is out, the one with the 50 greatest makeups list. This is a mag for makeup professionals, so they know their stuff. Here's the Top 10:

 

 1. "Frankenstein"

 2. POTA

 3. "Little Big Man"

 4. "American Werewolf in London"

 5. "Amadeus"

 6. "Elephant Man"

 7. "Phantom of the Opera"

 8. "Legend"

 9. "Exorcist"

 10. POTA2001

 

 #10 certainly surprised me. We're talking "all-time" here, and it didn't even get an Oscar nom.

  Also, the new "Action Figure Modeler" magazine shows a small b & w shot of a new "Apes" model called "Get Your Stinking Paws Off Me" showing Heston being hassled by two gorillas. Good likenesses. It's from a new company called "Forbidden Zone". Their upcoming website is www.forbidden-zone.biz and their e-mail is fearthezone@... . "Apes" outtahere? Don't think so. - - - Jeff

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:26 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Medicom Fever

  For those eager to enjoy some reasonably priced Medicom bliss, why not stroll down memory lane and partake of Matt's great review from April ' 01? I think http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_041601.htm should get you there. If not, let me say,"D'oh!" in advance.

 If only Medicom would release those POTA tin toys domestically! - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Wahlbergs Must Be Remembered, Charlie

In a message dated 10/25/02 12:36:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  Hey! Another Mark Wahlberg remake is heading to cinemas tomorrow. "The Truth About Charlie" is a redo of the Cary Grant classic "Charade" (a favorite of Miss Natalie Trundy) and is directed by Jonathan ("Silence of the Lambs") Demme. Should be a blast! - - - Jeff

It's being called incredibly bad over at Ain't-It-Cool-News.  I believe it.  Wahlberg's career is going to be in BIG trouble if he keeps making bad movies.

-- Rory

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  I stopped by Tower to uh, heh heh heh, pick up an Ursus to open. The new "Makeup Artist Magazine is out, the one with the 50 greatest makeups list. This is a mag for makeup professionals, so they know their stuff. Here's the Top 10:

1. "Frankenstein"
2. POTA
3. "Little Big Man"
4. "American Werewolf in London"
5. "Amadeus"
6. "Elephant Man"
7. "Phantom of the Opera"
8. "Legend"
9. "Exorcist"
10. POTA2001

#10 certainly surprised me. We're talking "all-time" here, and it didn't even get an Oscar nom.
  Also, the new "Action Figure Modeler" magazine shows a small b & w shot of a new "Apes" model called "Get Your Stinking Paws Off Me" showing Heston being hassled by two gorillas. Good likenesses. It's from a new company called "Forbidden Zone". Their upcoming website is www.forbidden-zone.biz and their e-mail is fearthezone@... . "Apes" outtahere? Don't think so. - - - Jeff



Hey, this looks like it's a really cool model, but why not make one like the one from the original ads?

Anyway, I'm sure glad POTA made number two on the list.  (I don't mean it MADE #2 on the list, of course, but... oh you know what I mean.)  Being right below Frankenstein is a real place of honor.  I really don't agree with the rest on the list, especially POTA2001, but whatever.

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I don't know.  The more I look at this model the less I like it.  Where's the ammo sash on the one gorilla?  Taylor's legs and feet look funny.  The gorilla boots are too stubby.  Their hair around the necks isn't right. <.html

I have but you'll just accuse me of lying again so why bother.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> Har anybody ever heard of or just plain heard this album?
>
> -- Rory
>
> [Unable to display image]
> From1974, comes this bizarre psych album based on the science
fiction theme
> of The Planet Of The Apes. In between songs, you will hear Gaylen,
Dr.Zaius,
> and Irko! The LP has nice psych and the group is unamed, while the
album is
> entitled, Planet Of The Apes-A Musical Trip. It is on TPI Records
1001. TPI
> stands for Terry Philips Inc. Not sure where this was recorded,
East Coast
> versus West Coast, but certainly a VERY worthwhile LP for the
psych-head!
> Guitars run through effects, and wahwahing. A winner! Cover in
shrink, small
> white on top seam where shrink has worn away, record is mint minus.
> <A HREF="http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=915981973">Click here: eBay item 915981973 (Ends Oct-
31-02 19:26:42 PST ) - Rare psych
> based on Planet Of The Apes!!!</A>

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I have but you'll just accuse me of lying again so why bother.

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!  You're so funny, James!
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.htmlThis is the response I got from the maker of the "Captured" kit.   $215.00   Is that all?   I'll have to order one of those right away.

In a message dated 10/26/02 8:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fearthezone@... writes:

Hi Rory,

   The Captured kit is available now. The price is $200 + $15 S&H. As for other

POTA kits...I'm not sure. I have had some ideas. What would you love to see as a kit from that film?  =)

   Mike 

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--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/23/2002 12:01:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > *** Our current President, George W. Bush, is a member of

the "Skull-&-Bones" society, just like his daddy was.

>
> Old news Pat. His Skull & Bones nickname is "Temporary" BTW. Sort

of ominous considering the times we live in. And both he and Bogey
are related to Princess Di for you trivia buffs. As for Elizabeth's
divine right to rule. No way. The Windsor's are a bunch of krauts.
And before that they virtually wiped the Stuart's from the face of
the earth. So if a pack of murdering bastards have a divine right it
must come from Satan. Anyway, God is so much more subtle than
the 'Man on the Cloud with the white beard' ideal. He's not readily
visible but He's there. You have to look at the Big Picture. Tough
for a non-theist like yourself Patrick, I know, being so caught up in
minutia. It's sort of like one of those eye puzzles. You see Him
someday. Whether in the simplicity of the atom or the clockwork
complexity of the universe. It reminds me of something Dave Vainian
of The Damned quoted, "Beauty isn't something you see with your
eyes. It's something you hunger for with your heart."

*** Looking at the Big Picture... reminds me of what Thomas Paine
said in "The Age of Reason", about his rejection of the "revealed
religions" (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.) in favor of using the
Scientific Method to rationally discover "god" in the "creation" (he
waxes eloquent about the Newtonian discoveries regarding the
mathematical precision of the planetary orbits, and so on). The "god"
of Deism is NOT the "personal" god of the Bible, who allegedly walked
around in the Garden of Eden with Adam, and audibly talked to Moses,
and who "debauched a virgin" (Paine's summary of the Incarnation of
Christ story); the primary "movers" in the group of Freemasons who
founded America were Deists, who paid--at most--lip-service to
Christianity, espousing the ethical teachings of Jesus, yet rejecting
the supernaturalistic nonsense that encumbers it (Jefferson compared
the teachings of Jesus versus the non-rational aspects of the New
Testament as being like a Diamond in a dung-heap!).

It was Paine, in "Common Sense", who ridiculed the idea of
the "divine right of kings" to rule over a free people--or ANY
people. I find it telling that all the evangelical Christians who
claim that America was founded by Christians NEVER quote Thomas Paine
(or do so in a VERY selective manner). They choose to ignore
the "Jefferson Bible" which was nothing more than the New Testament
with ALL THE SUPERNATURAL STUFF cut out of it, as well as much of St.
Paul's works, which Jefferson thought were NOT representative of
Jesus' true teachings.

Look at all the "good" that has come from people worshipping a so-
called "scripture" (be it the Tanakh, the New Testament, the Quran,
the Book of Mormon, or whatever). Even the Irish--who both
(Protestant and Catholic) believe in the SAME scripture--can't agree
on WHICH interpretation is correct... which, ultimately, leads to the
bloody carnage which STILL is going on over there.
And those assholes who have just gotten caught for that string of
sniper attacks in Maryland! The older one, a creep who had converted
to Islam and changed his last name to "Mohammed", felt justified in
murdering random people--including an attempt on the life of a school-
aged child. I hear that he had written a letter expressing sympathies
with the Al-Qaeda attacks on 9/11. It is THIS bullshit view of the
world which becomes possible when ideologues (like Muslim "Imams", so-
called Islamic "holy" men) can spout scripture and fire up the will
to commit any and all sorts of atrocities... all in the name
of "god", who will REWARD the bastards with 72 virgins in Paradise,
and all that stupid fucking nonsense. Well, John Allen Mohammed...
when you're in prison, awaiting your turn at "Ol' Sparky", you'll get
to know what it's like to be on the receiving end, when your "virgin"
asshole gets acquainted with the hardened convicts who can't WAIT to
make you their new "bitch". It would be oh-so-sweet justice if,
before you get executed, YOU get to be the "wife" to 72 man-raping
Lifers in a Federal penitentiary. You and your little bastard
protege, who will curse your name every time he gets raped in the
prison shower. It couldn't happen to a more deserving pair of
worthless, pathetic excuses for human beings.
"Bismillah!" they'll cry out. "In the name of Allah!" And Allah, who
DOESN'T EXIST, will remain silent up in "heaven" while you reap the
rewards of what passes for "righteousness" in a religion of
fools. "Heaven" is NOT what the scripture-writers said it was. There
is no "god" up in "heaven"; the word "shamayim" (in the Hebrew) meant
the SKY, where the birds flew, and God's chariot zipped around (once
allegedly carrying Ezekiel around, and taking Elijah up into heaven).
Beyond the atmosphere is the cold empty nothingness of outer space;
aside from dead moons and uninhabitable planets in this solar system,
there are no known places where any intelligent beings exist, unless
they are Extraterrestrials living on inhabitable planets orbiting
other stars.
Maybe "god" or "the Gods" of antiquity really DID exist, but were
actually ETs, as William Bramley hypothesized in his book "The Gods
of Eden". Bramley's theory is that the "gods" are aliens who have
sown dissention amongst the peoples of Earth for millennia, fooling
the gullible, superstitious masses into believing that they owed
allegiance to the "sky-gods" who exploit them. Bramley thinks these
ET "Custodial" so-called "gods" have a modus operandi: they take BOTH
sides in a human conflict, and give each side the
ability/justification/impetus to wage war on the other. The first
time I read Bramley's book, I remembered that bit in BENEATH, when
the "Negro" mutant tells Taylor & Brent: "We are a peaceful people;
we don't kill our enemies--we get our enemies to kill each other."
This method is the same one used by Jehovah in the Old Testament, as
when he "hardened the heart of the Pharaoh" and caused him to oppose
Moses, rather than give in and free the Israelites--keeping the
Pharaoh in opposition to Moses kept the conflict going, and led to
more loss of life, according to the story. Also, in the book of
Joshua, it is said that "... it was the Lord who hardened their
hearts, that they would go against Israel in battle, that he might
destroy them utterly, and that they might find no favor, but that he
might destroy them..." (Joshua 11:20). In other words, when Joshua
ben Nun allegedly led the Israelites into "the Promised Land", which
was already inhabited by the Canaanites, Jehovah (the "Lord") wanted
the Canaanites to fight against the Israelites, so that He could
slaughter them all... and IF they were willing to accept the
Israelites into their land and live peacefully, side-by-side,
then "the Lord" FORCED THEM into a mind-set of opposition, "hardening
their hearts". Why? "... that he might DESTROY them"!
The "God" of the Bible, if there ever was a "historical Jehovah", was
NOT a virtuous Creator of the universe deserving of human worship and
obedience--"He" was a monster. Thomas Paine recognized that, saying
as much in "The Age of Reason". It wasn't easy for me--having
been "raised Catholic"--to reject my parents' religion as so much
bullshit... but sometimes you have to step outside of the view that
was forced on you by your formative influences and see the Universe
with NEW eyes, guided by Rationality and the Scientific Method.
The "revealed religions" of the world are laughably, tragically
deficient as far as Moral Codes go. Paine was a "pain" in his day...
but he made sense. He saw the Bible (etc.) for what it really was,
when you "boiled it all down", and he rejected it. At least as a
guide for moral conduct. As soon as the world of Islam has somebody
with the guts to step up the the mike and declare Mohammed's
scripture as a forgery and a divisive, hateful diatribe (which is
what the "holy" Quran really is), then MAYBE the tinder-box of the
Middle East can begin making baby-steps towards a rational worldview.
Yeah, I know it'll never happen--at least not in my lifetime. Like
MLK, I have a dream...

Patrick

--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> And Patrick thinks that his ability to make these connection is a

simple result of genetics and evolution. You may as well say Luck!
WHAT IS THE GRAIL? WHOM DOES IT SERVE?

*** Who said the result was "simple"? A relatively "simple" algorithm
can produce indescribably beautiful complexities--just look at a
graphic representation of the Mandelbrot Set, a fractal image you've
probably seen on psychedelic posters in the last 10 years or so.
Humans exist because of luck--the BAD luck of the dinosaurs around 65
million years ago who were wiped out by the KT impact of a meteor or
comet in the Yucatan. If not for that BAD luck, our little
evolutionary ancestors--which were probably no larger than a small
mouse at the time--would not have been able to compete against such
dinosaurian predators, and would never have gotten larger (and all
the other morphological changes which transpired over the aeons,
leading to the Ape which lived around 10 million years ago from which
all Humans, Chimpanzees, Gorillas, and Orangutans have all descended.
Yes, Luck is as much a part of the reason we're all sitting here at
our techno-wondrous computers, enjoying the benefits of binocular
vision, relatively large brain-to-body-mass ratios, manipulative
digits (with opposable thumbs), and minds capable of Reason.

The "Grail"? Not even the writers of the Grail romances could agree
on what it was. A chalice? A stone? Some think it was Mary
Magdalene's womb, or the Shroud of Turin before it got to Turin, or
Christ's hidden Bloodline (the "Desposyne")...
Whom does it serve? Well, if it IS a chalice full of the Blood of
Christ, then maybe it serves Count Dracula, who has an appetite for
blood ("I don't drink... wine.")!

Patrick

> I'm still pissed "Homicide: Life on the Streets" got canceled.

That used to be great. Vincent D'Onofrio played a guy on that show
that got his body cut in half by a subway train -- and lived for a
while. Did anybody see that?

> -- Rory

*** "Homicide" was, in my opinion, the BEST cop show ever done,
period, end-of-sentence. The only way it could have been better is if
it had been done for HBO and used actual profanity, to add to the
gritty realism of it all.
Yeah, that episode about Vincent gettin' pushed off a subway platform
was gut-wrenching in every sense of the word. It was based on an
episode of HBO's "Taxi-cab confessions" show (the actual title of the
show eludes me, but in a making-of documentary--on PBS, I think--of
the "HOMICIDE" show, and of that episode in particular, some cop or
forensics guy tells the "cabbie" the most memorable/nasty thing he's
ever come across on the job, and the guys at "Homicide" made an
episode based on that true incident).

Patrick

--- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:

> POTA2001 begins in 2029. 2029 is also the nightmare future of "The
> Terminator" (thus, Alex could do a 2029.com site devoted to both

Terminator AND POTA). "Terminator" creator James Cameron was going to
do the remake of POTA. And Oliver Stone's "JFK" gives 2029 as the
year the US archives on the Kennedy assassination would be released.
And Stone was going to do a POTA remake. What gives? Is it sheer
coincidence or something more? Patrick, over to you...

*** Hah! Great posting, Jeff.
Remember in Greene's book, when he points out that Caesar's line to
MacDonald (in CONQUEST) "You, of all people, should understand...",
addresses the chronological point that MacDonald--who had to have
been alive during the Watts Riots (which were the basis for the
cinematography of the battle scenes in CONQUEST)--should place his
sympathies with the oppressed apes, rather than in the State?

I don't think there's any "deep" reason that Burton's flick starts in
2029. They should have gone with a time further down the road,
though, since it's laughable that America could have a big-ass space
station out near Neptune (or wherever) in only 28 or 29 years. Then
again, as much as I love Ridley Scott's "BLADE-RUNNER", it was set
far too near the present (2013, if I remember right) to be plausible.

Ah, if only Oliver Stone would have been the guy to "re-imagine"
POTA! At least he would have re-written the script and made it more
about the political & social turmoils of the modern world, as the
original POTA flick did. Stone has a better track record than Burton,
as far as the quality of his films go. Not all are great, but he's
more consistently a better filmmaker than Burton, IMHO.

Patrick

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*** "Homicide" was, in my opinion, the BEST cop show ever done,
period, end-of-sentence. The only way it could have been better is if
it had been done for HBO and used actual profanity, to add to the
gritty realism of it all.


Patrick

  Well, at least we agree there, Patrick

.

-- Rory

-- R
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Will wonders never cease?

I just found, in one of the comicbook shops in town, a paperback
edition of the book "Monkey Planet" by Pierre Boulle. Published by
Penguin Books in 1975. On the cover is a picture of Urko with his
helmet on, his eyes in shadows under his brows. Across the cover,
from left sloping up to the right, is a red stripe in which it
says "the book that inspired the TV series PLANET OF THE APES".

It's always bothered me that Boulle's book was given the title (in
Britain) "Monkey Planet". Boulle's title, "La Planete des Singes",
would most accurately be translated "The Planet of the Apes" or "The
Planet of the Simians". "Monkey Planet" sounds like it should be
about a bunch of howler monkeys & capuchin monkeys & the like. An APE
is not a MONKEY. The talking creatures on Soror are Chimpanzees,
Gorillas, and Orangutans--APES, not monkeys, dammit!

Anyway, this edition "was printed in Australia at The Dominion Press,
Blackburn, Victoria" and "is sold subject to the condition that it
shall not, by way of trade, be lent, re-sold, hired out, or otherwise
disposed of without the publisher's consent in any form of binding or
cover other than that in which it is published", and "for copyright
reasons this edition is not for sale in the U.S.A."

Gee, I hope the guys at "Comic Junction" got the publisher's consent
to re-sell it to me! All that for a softcover mass-market paperback?
I've worked at a "B. Dalton Bookseller" and currently work at
a "Media Play" store, and when paperback books are taken off-shelf,
their covers are stripped off and the bulk is thrown in the garbage.
I can understand doing that to books churned out by Harlequin
Romances or to Almanacs or "Tax-Guides" from out-dated years, but it
always makes me feel guilty to rip the cover off a perfectly good
book, just because it ain't a hardcover.

Anyway, I can FINALLY say that I own a copy of Boulle's book "Monkey
Planet". I'm surprised that the British commonwealth publishers of
the book didn't re-name it, to capitalize on the popularity of the
American title, "Planet of the Apes". The novel that "Die Hard" was
based on was re-published with the title "Die Hard", which makes a
hell of a lot of sense; all they had to do was put a blurb on the
bottom saying "Originally published as NOTHING LASTS FOREVER" or
whatever. I would like to see translations of Boulle's books with
Boulle's original title somewhere on the front cover, even if only on
a "crawl" at the bottom.

Patrick

.htmlIn a message dated 10/26/02 11:00:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Ah, if only Oliver Stone would have been the guy to "re-imagine"
POTA!

I don't think Oliver Stone was ever serious about making a POTA movie for Fox.  Have you ever read the book "Killer Instinct" by Jane Hamsher?  If you have you'll know the whole story of how Stone got involved.  Here's what he had to say in a meeting with Fox execs about POTA:

"I watched the original movies again a couple nights ago, and they were awful.  I'm only here because of Don Murphy.  You should talk to him."

Don Murphy is this producer/jerk who told Fox that Stone was interested in remaking APES but was lying just to get Fox interested.  Stone couldn't have cared less, and all he wanted was the money that being the executive producer would bring him. (Something that I suspect was the only thing Dick Zanuck was interested in.)  I think he ended up making a million dollars off Fox without one frame ever being exposed.

Because the whole Stone episode was a joke is why the eventual film that did get made was a joke.  No one wanted to make a new APES film for anything other than money.  That's all it was about.  Poor APES, and poor us.

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/26/02 11:09:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

It's always bothered me that Boulle's book was given the title (in
Britain) "Monkey Planet". Boulle's title, "La Planete des Singes",
would most accurately be translated "The Planet of the Apes" or "The
Planet of the Simians". "Monkey Planet" sounds like it should be
about a bunch of howler monkeys & capuchin monkeys & the like. An APE
is not a MONKEY. The talking creatures on Soror are Chimpanzees,
Gorillas, and Orangutans--APES, not monkeys, dammit!

Yeah, that's always bothered me too.  I especially hate it when you see reviews of PLANET and it says "Based on the novel Monkey Planet by Pierre Boulle."   NO, IT'S NOT!

About "La planete des singes". . . . actually I don't believe the French have a word for ape, so "singes" roughly translates as "monkys," however I hope it's more "simians."  I'll have to check into this.

-- Rory<.html

Aggresion is regresion!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
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> HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! You're so funny, James!

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Aggresion is regresion!

That should be two S'es in each of those words, James.

Alright, now you've has your hiSSy fit, could you please answer the original question?

-- Rory<.html

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Here's what I found in an on-line French dictionary:
singe
Nom masculin

(a) monkey, larger ape

I think the British publishers were quite correctly translating "La planete des singes" to English as "Monkey Planet," but since Boulle was actually writing about apes then, I believe, the larger sense of the word was used from the American edition.

-- Rory
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:29 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured

This is the response I got from the maker of the "Captured" kit.   $215.00   Is that all?   I'll have to order one of those right away.

In a message dated 10/26/02 8:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fearthezone@... writes:

Hi Rory,

   The Captured kit is available now. The price is $200 + $15 S&H. As for other

POTA kits...I'm not sure. I have had some ideas. What would you love to see as a kit from that film?  =)

   Mike 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:29 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] (no subject)

I don't know.  The more I look at this model the less I like it.  Where's the ammo sash on the one gorilla?  Taylor's legs and feet look funny.  The gorilla boots are too stubby.  Their hair around the necks isn't right.

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----- Original Message -----

From: veetus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 9:16 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA2001 Kubricks in 2003?

  I was looking through the new Lee's Toy Review magazine (#120) and there's a 2-page spread of displays that Diamond distributers will bring out in 2003 (they are the company providing the Kubricks and Medicoms to comic stores and such). There's a small photo of the POTA2001 Kubricks, so I guess it'll be the same deal as the previous Kubricks. Looks like there's 4 sets. They're all bunched together so I don't know what's what, but here's the lineup: Ari's dad, Thade Lincoln (statue at the end), Krull, Attar, Chimp Warrior, Gorilla Warrior, Pericles, Daena, Leo, Thade, Ari, Limbo, Ape Effigy (scarecrow), Pericles' ship, and a big red tent.Yeah, yeah, some are saying "So what?" (and probably the stores are saying "So what?") but they look cool. If it's the same price as the other Kubricks, I'm in. - - - Jeff

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:29 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured

This is the response I got from the maker of the "Captured" kit.   $215.00   Is that all?   I'll have to order one of those right away.

In a message dated 10/26/02 8:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fearthezone@... writes:

Hi Rory,

   The Captured kit is available now. The price is $200 + $15 S&H. As for other

POTA kits...I'm not sure. I have had some ideas. What would you love to see as a kit from that film?  =)

   Mike 

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  I don't like the gorillas' smiles. Taylor taught Nova to smile, not the gorillas. - - - Jeff

Yeah, the gorilla without the ammo sash has a mouth like that lizard guy that Kirk fought in the original Star Trek.

-- Rory
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First you make fun of my dyslexia, then my manhood. Do you really
think I'm going to tell you anything now?

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> That should be two S'es in each of those words, James.
>
> Alright, now you've has your hiSSy fit, could you please answer
the original
> question?
>
> -- Rory

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First you make fun of my dyslexia, then my manhood. Do you really
think I'm going to tell you anything now?

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Amen, brother! Stone! Yeah, there's no reason to place POTA2001 so soon,
since they don't really show Earth. It could've been set anytime. But the
original's space mission was 1971. I guess everyone wants to believe we'll
make big changes soon. - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 7:33 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: 2029 : An "Apes" Oddity


> --- In pota@y..., <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > POTA2001 begins in 2029. 2029 is also the nightmare future of "The
> > Terminator" (thus, Alex could do a 2029.com site devoted to both
> Terminator AND POTA). "Terminator" creator James Cameron was going to
> do the remake of POTA. And Oliver Stone's "JFK" gives 2029 as the
> year the US archives on the Kennedy assassination would be released.
> And Stone was going to do a POTA remake. What gives? Is it sheer
> coincidence or something more? Patrick, over to you...
>
> *** Hah! Great posting, Jeff.
> Remember in Greene's book, when he points out that Caesar's line to
> MacDonald (in CONQUEST) "You, of all people, should understand...",
> addresses the chronological point that MacDonald--who had to have
> been alive during the Watts Riots (which were the basis for the
> cinematography of the battle scenes in CONQUEST)--should place his
> sympathies with the oppressed apes, rather than in the State?
>
> I don't think there's any "deep" reason that Burton's flick starts in
> 2029. They should have gone with a time further down the road,
> though, since it's laughable that America could have a big-ass space
> station out near Neptune (or wherever) in only 28 or 29 years. Then
> again, as much as I love Ridley Scott's "BLADE-RUNNER", it was set
> far too near the present (2013, if I remember right) to be plausible.
>
> Ah, if only Oliver Stone would have been the guy to "re-imagine"
> POTA! At least he would have re-written the script and made it more
> about the political & social turmoils of the modern world, as the
> original POTA flick did. Stone has a better track record than Burton,
> as far as the quality of his films go. Not all are great, but he's
> more consistently a better filmmaker than Burton, IMHO.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: 2029 : An "Apes" Oddity

In a message dated 10/26/02 11:00:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Ah, if only Oliver Stone would have been the guy to "re-imagine"
POTA!

I don't think Oliver Stone was ever serious about making a POTA movie for Fox.  Have you ever read the book "Killer Instinct" by Jane Hamsher?  If you have you'll know the whole story of how Stone got involved.  Here's what he had to say in a meeting with Fox execs about POTA:

"I watched the original movies again a couple nights ago, and they were awful.  I'm only here because of Don Murphy.  You should talk to him."

Don Murphy is this producer/jerk who told Fox that Stone was interested in remaking APES but was lying just to get Fox interested.  Stone couldn't have cared less, and all he wanted was the money that being the executive producer would bring him. (Something that I suspect was the only thing Dick Zanuck was interested in.)  I think he ended up making a million dollars off Fox without one frame ever being exposed.

Because the whole Stone episode was a joke is why the eventual film that did get made was a joke.  No one wanted to make a new APES film for anything other than money.  That's all it was about.  Poor APES, and poor us.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: 2029 : An "Apes" Oddity

In a message dated 10/26/02 11:00:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Ah, if only Oliver Stone would have been the guy to "re-imagine"
POTA!

I don't think Oliver Stone was ever serious about making a POTA movie for Fox.  Have you ever read the book "Killer Instinct" by Jane Hamsher?  If you have you'll know the whole story of how Stone got involved.  Here's what he had to say in a meeting with Fox execs about POTA:

"I watched the original movies again a couple nights ago, and they were awful.  I'm only here because of Don Murphy.  You should talk to him."

Don Murphy is this producer/jerk who told Fox that Stone was interested in remaking APES but was lying just to get Fox interested.  Stone couldn't have cared less, and all he wanted was the money that being the executive producer would bring him. (Something that I suspect was the only thing Dick Zanuck was interested in.)  I think he ended up making a million dollars off Fox without one frame ever being exposed.

Because the whole Stone episode was a joke is why the eventual film that did get made was a joke.  No one wanted to make a new APES film for anything other than money.  That's all it was about.  Poor APES, and poor us.

-- Rory

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Taylor's eyes don't line up horizontally; his left eye is much lower
than his right. I see that in a lot of amateur sculpts and it's a pet
peeve of mine.

Instead of working to get the basic proportions correct before adding
the details, it looks like they sculpted the pieces individually, then
stuck them together.

Discount it 90% and I'd consider buying one.

ABMAC

On Friday, October 25, 2002, at 11:29 PM, Haristas@... wrote:

> I don't know. The more I look at this model the less I like it.
> Where's the ammo sash on the one gorilla? Taylor's legs and feet look
> funny. The gorilla boots are too stubby. Their hair around the necks
> isn't right.

Sure if you apologize first.

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> YES! GIVE IT UP!

.htmlWell, John Allen Mohammed... when you're in prison, awaiting your turn at "Ol' Sparky", you'll get to know what it's like to be on the receiving end, when your "virgin" asshole gets acquainted with the hardened convicts who can't WAIT to make you their new "bitch". It would be oh-so-sweet justice if, before you get executed, YOU get to be the "wife" to 72 man-raping Lifers in a Federal penitentiary.

They don't have the electric chair in Virginia or Maryland Pat, you're thinking of Florida.  And you're hyper focusing again.  And, just like Taylor, you're negative.  You should focus on the positive.  Even the evil of Hitler pales in comparison when you think of all the good that came out of WW II.  Things actually do happen for a reason, though it may not seem it at the time.  Yeah, a lot of people dying isn't a good thing.  But it can sure seem a lot worse if you think there's nothing on the other side.  Perhaps you should meditate, like the Buddha.  Or better still.  watch the Billy Hicks video.  Do you know Bill Hicks?  He must be in you giant brain somewhere.  He was a comedian of good Texas stock.  You'll enjoy it even if you don't get anything out of it but some laughs.  Don't be afraid, it's just a ride.  I can see with your narrow focus how you'd only see the magick tricks and not the magic -- of a sunrise or a snowflake -- or breathing.  Here's one for you.  How many systems does it take for the eye to work?  And did you know that if just one of them doesn't, it won't either?
Amazing when you think of it.


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just look at a graphic representation of the Mandelbrot Set, a fractal image you've
probably seen on psychedelic posters in the last 10 years or so

My Spirograph set was pretty cool too.

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.htmlHumans exist because of luck--the BAD luck of the dinosaurs around 65
million years ago who were wiped out by the KT impact of a meteor or
comet in the Yucatan.

You might find some items of interest around Kimhunter street in New Jersey.  Of course you'd have to know what you're looking for, and I'm not telling.<.html

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I love Ridley Scott's "BLADE-RUNNER", it was set far too near the present (2013, if I remember right) to be plausible.

Theatrical release, or directors cut?

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/26/02 3:48:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

You might find some items of interest around Kim Hunter street in New Jersey. 

There's a Kim Hunter street in Jersey?

You drinkin' this afternoon, T?

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/26/2002 3:30:32 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

There's a Kim Hunter street in Jersey?

Seek and Ye shall find.

Look in Englewood, near the Cliffs.<.html

Unbelievable.

Do you mean to say, rather than "I have a dream", "I am a nightmare"?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2002 23:47
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Secret Governments on the Planet of
> the Apes
>
>
> --- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > In a message dated 10/23/2002 12:01:33 PM Central Standard Time,
> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> > > *** Our current President, George W. Bush, is a member of
> the "Skull-&-Bones" society, just like his daddy was.
> >
> > Old news Pat. His Skull & Bones nickname is "Temporary" BTW. Sort
> of ominous considering the times we live in. And both he and Bogey
> are related to Princess Di for you trivia buffs. As for Elizabeth's
> divine right to rule. No way. The Windsor's are a bunch of krauts.
> And before that they virtually wiped the Stuart's from the face of
> the earth. So if a pack of murdering bastards have a divine right it
> must come from Satan. Anyway, God is so much more subtle than
> the 'Man on the Cloud with the white beard' ideal. He's not readily
> visible but He's there. You have to look at the Big Picture. Tough
> for a non-theist like yourself Patrick, I know, being so caught up in
> minutia. It's sort of like one of those eye puzzles. You see Him
> someday. Whether in the simplicity of the atom or the clockwork
> complexity of the universe. It reminds me of something Dave Vainian
> of The Damned quoted, "Beauty isn't something you see with your
> eyes. It's something you hunger for with your heart."
>
> *** Looking at the Big Picture... reminds me of what Thomas Paine
> said in "The Age of Reason", about his rejection of the "revealed
> religions" (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.) in favor of using the
> Scientific Method to rationally discover "god" in the "creation" (he
> waxes eloquent about the Newtonian discoveries regarding the
> mathematical precision of the planetary orbits, and so on). The "god"
> of Deism is NOT the "personal" god of the Bible, who allegedly walked
> around in the Garden of Eden with Adam, and audibly talked to Moses,
> and who "debauched a virgin" (Paine's summary of the Incarnation of
> Christ story); the primary "movers" in the group of Freemasons who
> founded America were Deists, who paid--at most--lip-service to
> Christianity, espousing the ethical teachings of Jesus, yet rejecting
> the supernaturalistic nonsense that encumbers it (Jefferson compared
> the teachings of Jesus versus the non-rational aspects of the New
> Testament as being like a Diamond in a dung-heap!).
>
> It was Paine, in "Common Sense", who ridiculed the idea of
> the "divine right of kings" to rule over a free people--or ANY
> people. I find it telling that all the evangelical Christians who
> claim that America was founded by Christians NEVER quote Thomas Paine
> (or do so in a VERY selective manner). They choose to ignore
> the "Jefferson Bible" which was nothing more than the New Testament
> with ALL THE SUPERNATURAL STUFF cut out of it, as well as much of St.
> Paul's works, which Jefferson thought were NOT representative of
> Jesus' true teachings.
>
> Look at all the "good" that has come from people worshipping a so-
> called "scripture" (be it the Tanakh, the New Testament, the Quran,
> the Book of Mormon, or whatever). Even the Irish--who both
> (Protestant and Catholic) believe in the SAME scripture--can't agree
> on WHICH interpretation is correct... which, ultimately, leads to the
> bloody carnage which STILL is going on over there.
> And those assholes who have just gotten caught for that string of
> sniper attacks in Maryland! The older one, a creep who had converted
> to Islam and changed his last name to "Mohammed", felt justified in
> murdering random people--including an attempt on the life of a school-
> aged child. I hear that he had written a letter expressing sympathies
> with the Al-Qaeda attacks on 9/11. It is THIS bullshit view of the
> world which becomes possible when ideologues (like Muslim "Imams", so-
> called Islamic "holy" men) can spout scripture and fire up the will
> to commit any and all sorts of atrocities... all in the name
> of "god", who will REWARD the bastards with 72 virgins in Paradise,
> and all that stupid fucking nonsense. Well, John Allen Mohammed...
> when you're in prison, awaiting your turn at "Ol' Sparky", you'll get
> to know what it's like to be on the receiving end, when your "virgin"
> asshole gets acquainted with the hardened convicts who can't WAIT to
> make you their new "bitch". It would be oh-so-sweet justice if,
> before you get executed, YOU get to be the "wife" to 72 man-raping
> Lifers in a Federal penitentiary. You and your little bastard
> protege, who will curse your name every time he gets raped in the
> prison shower. It couldn't happen to a more deserving pair of
> worthless, pathetic excuses for human beings.
> "Bismillah!" they'll cry out. "In the name of Allah!" And Allah, who
> DOESN'T EXIST, will remain silent up in "heaven" while you reap the
> rewards of what passes for "righteousness" in a religion of
> fools. "Heaven" is NOT what the scripture-writers said it was. There
> is no "god" up in "heaven"; the word "shamayim" (in the Hebrew) meant
> the SKY, where the birds flew, and God's chariot zipped around (once
> allegedly carrying Ezekiel around, and taking Elijah up into heaven).
> Beyond the atmosphere is the cold empty nothingness of outer space;
> aside from dead moons and uninhabitable planets in this solar system,
> there are no known places where any intelligent beings exist, unless
> they are Extraterrestrials living on inhabitable planets orbiting
> other stars.
> Maybe "god" or "the Gods" of antiquity really DID exist, but were
> actually ETs, as William Bramley hypothesized in his book "The Gods
> of Eden". Bramley's theory is that the "gods" are aliens who have
> sown dissention amongst the peoples of Earth for millennia, fooling
> the gullible, superstitious masses into believing that they owed
> allegiance to the "sky-gods" who exploit them. Bramley thinks these
> ET "Custodial" so-called "gods" have a modus operandi: they take BOTH
> sides in a human conflict, and give each side the
> ability/justification/impetus to wage war on the other. The first
> time I read Bramley's book, I remembered that bit in BENEATH, when
> the "Negro" mutant tells Taylor & Brent: "We are a peaceful people;
> we don't kill our enemies--we get our enemies to kill each other."
> This method is the same one used by Jehovah in the Old Testament, as
> when he "hardened the heart of the Pharaoh" and caused him to oppose
> Moses, rather than give in and free the Israelites--keeping the
> Pharaoh in opposition to Moses kept the conflict going, and led to
> more loss of life, according to the story. Also, in the book of
> Joshua, it is said that "... it was the Lord who hardened their
> hearts, that they would go against Israel in battle, that he might
> destroy them utterly, and that they might find no favor, but that he
> might destroy them..." (Joshua 11:20). In other words, when Joshua
> ben Nun allegedly led the Israelites into "the Promised Land", which
> was already inhabited by the Canaanites, Jehovah (the "Lord") wanted
> the Canaanites to fight against the Israelites, so that He could
> slaughter them all... and IF they were willing to accept the
> Israelites into their land and live peacefully, side-by-side,
> then "the Lord" FORCED THEM into a mind-set of opposition, "hardening
> their hearts". Why? "... that he might DESTROY them"!
> The "God" of the Bible, if there ever was a "historical Jehovah", was
> NOT a virtuous Creator of the universe deserving of human worship and
> obedience--"He" was a monster. Thomas Paine recognized that, saying
> as much in "The Age of Reason". It wasn't easy for me--having
> been "raised Catholic"--to reject my parents' religion as so much
> bullshit... but sometimes you have to step outside of the view that
> was forced on you by your formative influences and see the Universe
> with NEW eyes, guided by Rationality and the Scientific Method.
> The "revealed religions" of the world are laughably, tragically
> deficient as far as Moral Codes go. Paine was a "pain" in his day...
> but he made sense. He saw the Bible (etc.) for what it really was,
> when you "boiled it all down", and he rejected it. At least as a
> guide for moral conduct. As soon as the world of Islam has somebody
> with the guts to step up the the mike and declare Mohammed's
> scripture as a forgery and a divisive, hateful diatribe (which is
> what the "holy" Quran really is), then MAYBE the tinder-box of the
> Middle East can begin making baby-steps towards a rational worldview.
> Yeah, I know it'll never happen--at least not in my lifetime. Like
> MLK, I have a dream...
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I hope you intend to return that book to its country of origin Patrick!
Knowing you, you will just cross out "Australia" and print "New America" in
its place! Just kidding.

It is a curiosity regarding the title. I do not recall the source, but I do
recall reading that the difference in title occurred after a request from
Fox that the novel not be confused with the movie (they are a VERY different
story line). Apparently Fox allowed images from the film and the film name
to be referenced (eg the book that inspired POTA), so long as the novel was
not entitled "Planet of the Apes".

I would have liked to see a novel of PLANET using the film's text, but I do
not believe such a thing was ever created...again, why?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 1:08
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pierre Boulle's "Monkey Planet"
>
>
> Will wonders never cease?
>
> I just found, in one of the comicbook shops in town, a paperback
> edition of the book "Monkey Planet" by Pierre Boulle. Published by
> Penguin Books in 1975. On the cover is a picture of Urko with his
> helmet on, his eyes in shadows under his brows. Across the cover,
> from left sloping up to the right, is a red stripe in which it
> says "the book that inspired the TV series PLANET OF THE APES".
>
> It's always bothered me that Boulle's book was given the title (in
> Britain) "Monkey Planet". Boulle's title, "La Planete des Singes",
> would most accurately be translated "The Planet of the Apes" or "The
> Planet of the Simians". "Monkey Planet" sounds like it should be
> about a bunch of howler monkeys & capuchin monkeys & the like. An APE
> is not a MONKEY. The talking creatures on Soror are Chimpanzees,
> Gorillas, and Orangutans--APES, not monkeys, dammit!
>
> Anyway, this edition "was printed in Australia at The Dominion Press,
> Blackburn, Victoria" and "is sold subject to the condition that it
> shall not, by way of trade, be lent, re-sold, hired out, or otherwise
> disposed of without the publisher's consent in any form of binding or
> cover other than that in which it is published", and "for copyright
> reasons this edition is not for sale in the U.S.A."
>
> Gee, I hope the guys at "Comic Junction" got the publisher's consent
> to re-sell it to me! All that for a softcover mass-market paperback?
> I've worked at a "B. Dalton Bookseller" and currently work at
> a "Media Play" store, and when paperback books are taken off-shelf,
> their covers are stripped off and the bulk is thrown in the garbage.
> I can understand doing that to books churned out by Harlequin
> Romances or to Almanacs or "Tax-Guides" from out-dated years, but it
> always makes me feel guilty to rip the cover off a perfectly good
> book, just because it ain't a hardcover.
>
> Anyway, I can FINALLY say that I own a copy of Boulle's book "Monkey
> Planet". I'm surprised that the British commonwealth publishers of
> the book didn't re-name it, to capitalize on the popularity of the
> American title, "Planet of the Apes". The novel that "Die Hard" was
> based on was re-published with the title "Die Hard", which makes a
> hell of a lot of sense; all they had to do was put a blurb on the
> bottom saying "Originally published as NOTHING LASTS FOREVER" or
> whatever. I would like to see translations of Boulle's books with
> Boulle's original title somewhere on the front cover, even if only on
> a "crawl" at the bottom.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:29 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured

This is the response I got from the maker of the "Captured" kit.   $215.00   Is that all?   I'll have to order one of those right away.

In a message dated 10/26/02 8:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fearthezone@... writes:

Hi Rory,

   The Captured kit is available now. The price is $200 + $15 S&H. As for other

POTA kits...I'm not sure. I have had some ideas. What would you love to see as a kit from that film?  =)

   Mike 

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--- In pota@y..., LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Seek and Ye shall find.
>
> Look in Englewood, near the Cliffs.

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.htmlAll right, James, I apologize.

I'm so sorry you are the way you are.  It's too bad you are the way you are, but as sorry as I am for the way you are, you're still the way you are, and for that I'm so sorry.  I'm so sorry that my saying I'm sorry isn't going to make you any better than you are, and for that I'm so very sorry, sorry that for no matter how sorry I am you, James, are going to be just as worthy of my sorrow tomorrow as you are today and just as sorry as all the days after that, sorry as it is possible to be sorry, so very sorry that all my sorrows run into one long stream of sory this and sorry that, but none equel to the sorry I feel for you, James, the sorriest of all.  For you James I'm so very sorry.  You hear, James?  You hear me, James?!!  I'm telling you I'm sorry!  I'm telling you I'm so very sorry!  I'M TELLING YOU, JAMES!!!  CAN'T YOU HEAR ME TELLING YOU?!!!!  I"M SCREAMING IT FROM THE TOP OF MY LUNGS!!!!!  I'M SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!  YOU SEE!!!   I!!!   ME!!!!   SORRY!!!!!  VERY, VERY SORRY!!!!  I'M SORRY, JAMES!!!!    TELL ME THAT YOU HEAR ME, JAMES!!!  FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T LET ME SUFFER!!!!  I'M HERE, YOU HEAR?  SO VERY SORRY!!!  SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!  YOU AND NO OTHER, JAMES!!!!   I'M ONLY SORRY FOR YOU!!!  YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE, JAMES, THE ONLY ONE, YOU HEAR ME?  I WON'T BE SORRY FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT YOU, JAMES!!!   TELL ME THAT YOU FEEL ME FEELING SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!  SAY THE WORDS THAT'LL LET ME KNOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW VERY SORRY I AM, JAMES!!!  SORRY AS I CAN BE!!!  SO VERY SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!!  IT IS FOR YOU THAT I AM SORRY, JAMES!!!  JAMES, JAMES, JAMES!!!!  I FEEL I'M NOT GETTING THROUGH TO YOU THE DEPTH OF MY FEELING SORRY FOR YOU!!!  LET ME TO YOU HOW VERY SORRY I AM FOR YOU JAMES!!!  YOU ARE SO WORTHY OF MY SORROW!  NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH SORROW!  I'M SO VERY SORRY FOR YOU!!!  SO VERY SORRY!!!  I'M EXHAUSTED WITH SORRY, JAMES!  I CAN HARDLY TYPE ANY MORE HOW SORRY THAT IT IS THAT I AM FOR YOU AND ONLY YOU, JAMES!!!  OH SO VERY SORRY, JAMES!!!   OH SO SORRY!!!   JAMES, I CAN'T GO ON MUCH LONGER!!  MY MIND IS GOING!!!  I CAN FEEL IT!!!  I CAN FEEL IT!!!  I'M STILL SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES, BUT MY MIND IS GOING!!!  I'M EXHAUSTED AND MY MIND IS GOING!!!  I'M AFRAID, JAMES!!!  I'M AFRAID!!!  I'M. . . . SO. . . . SORRY. . . .SO. . . .SORRY.....SoRRy......soRry......so...so....o..  o.. .....

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/26/02 4:50:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ktaylor@... writes:

Did you tell them all the things you found wrong with his kit?

For an unlicensed kit ( which I assume it is), I think it's pretty cool.
Not $200 cool, though.
KEN


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 6:29 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured

This is the response I got from the maker of the "Captured" kit.   $215.00   Is that all?   I'll have to order one of those right away.

In a message dated 10/26/02 8:36:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fearthezone@... writes:

Hi Rory,

   The Captured kit is available now. The price is $200 + $15 S&H. As for other

POTA kits...I'm not sure. I have had some ideas. What would you love to see as a kit from that film?  =)

   Mike 

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/26/02 4:59:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The man speaks the truth!

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.htmlIn a message dated 10/26/02 5:04:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

And yes Jeff, who cares about the POTA 2001 line...they will be worth $3 a set soon.

Michael



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Cocaine is bad.

-Joe.

You don't seem sincere enough!

--- In pota@y..., Haristas@a... wrote:
> All right, James, I apologize.
>
> I'm so sorry you are the way you are. It's too bad you are the
way you are,
> but as sorry as I am for the way you are, you're still the way you
are, and
> for that I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that my saying I'm sorry
isn't going to
> make you any better than you are, and for that I'm so very sorry,
sorry that
> for no matter how sorry I am you, James, are going to be just as
worthy of my
> sorrow tomorrow as you are today and just as sorry as all the days
after
> that, sorry as it is possible to be sorry, so very sorry that all
my sorrows
> run into one long stream of sory this and sorry that, but none
equel to the
> sorry I feel for you, James, the sorriest of all. For you James
I'm so very
> sorry. You hear, James? You hear me, James?!! I'm telling you
I'm sorry!
> I'm telling you I'm so very sorry! I'M TELLING YOU, JAMES!!!
CAN'T YOU HEAR
> ME TELLING YOU?!!!! I"M SCREAMING IT FROM THE TOP OF MY
LUNGS!!!!! I'M
> SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!! YOU SEE!!! I!!! ME!!!! SORRY!!!!!
VERY, VERY
> SORRY!!!! I'M SORRY, JAMES!!!! TELL ME THAT YOU HEAR ME,
JAMES!!! FOR
> GOD'S SAKE DON'T LET ME SUFFER!!!! I'M HERE, YOU HEAR? SO VERY
SORRY!!!
> SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!! YOU AND NO OTHER, JAMES!!!! I'M ONLY
SORRY FOR
> YOU!!! YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE, JAMES, THE ONLY ONE, YOU HEAR ME? I
WON'T BE
> SORRY FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT YOU, JAMES!!! TELL ME THAT YOU FEEL ME
FEELING
> SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!! SAY THE WORDS THAT'LL LET ME KNOW THAT
YOU KNOW HOW
> VERY SORRY I AM, JAMES!!! SORRY AS I CAN BE!!! SO VERY SORRY FOR
YOU,
> JAMES!!!! IT IS FOR YOU THAT I AM SORRY, JAMES!!! JAMES, JAMES,
JAMES!!!!
> I FEEL I'M NOT GETTING THROUGH TO YOU THE DEPTH OF MY FEELING
SORRY FOR
> YOU!!! LET ME TO YOU HOW VERY SORRY I AM FOR YOU JAMES!!! YOU
ARE SO WORTHY
> OF MY SORROW! NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH SORROW! I'M SO VERY SORRY
FOR YOU!!!
> SO VERY SORRY!!! I'M EXHAUSTED WITH SORRY, JAMES! I CAN HARDLY
TYPE ANY
> MORE HOW SORRY THAT IT IS THAT I AM FOR YOU AND ONLY YOU,
JAMES!!! OH SO
> VERY SORRY, JAMES!!! OH SO SORRY!!! JAMES, I CAN'T GO ON MUCH
LONGER!!
> MY MIND IS GOING!!! I CAN FEEL IT!!! I CAN FEEL IT!!! I'M STILL
SORRY FOR
> YOU, JAMES, BUT MY MIND IS GOING!!! I'M EXHAUSTED AND MY MIND IS
GOING!!!
> I'M AFRAID, JAMES!!! I'M AFRAID!!! I'M. . . . SO. . . .
SORRY. . . .SO. . .
> .SORRY.....SoRRy......soRry......so...so....o.. o.. .....
>
> .. ..... . . . . .

Then why was it called "Planet of the Apes" everywhere else? It's only
called "Monkey Planet" in the U.K. (though somehow that name stuck and the
book keeps being referred to that way). From what I understand, singes can
refer either to a monkey or ape, so why not keep the more familiar name?
Though calling it "Monkey Planet" is good shorthand instead of "POTA the
book". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 1:40 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pierre Boulle's "Monkey Planet"


> I hope you intend to return that book to its country of origin Patrick!
> Knowing you, you will just cross out "Australia" and print "New America"
in
> its place! Just kidding.
>
> It is a curiosity regarding the title. I do not recall the source, but I
do
> recall reading that the difference in title occurred after a request from
> Fox that the novel not be confused with the movie (they are a VERY
different
> story line). Apparently Fox allowed images from the film and the film
name
> to be referenced (eg the book that inspired POTA), so long as the novel
was
> not entitled "Planet of the Apes".
>
> I would have liked to see a novel of PLANET using the film's text, but I
do
> not believe such a thing was ever created...again, why?
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 1:08
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pierre Boulle's "Monkey Planet"
> >
> >
> > Will wonders never cease?
> >
> > I just found, in one of the comicbook shops in town, a paperback
> > edition of the book "Monkey Planet" by Pierre Boulle. Published by
> > Penguin Books in 1975. On the cover is a picture of Urko with his
> > helmet on, his eyes in shadows under his brows. Across the cover,
> > from left sloping up to the right, is a red stripe in which it
> > says "the book that inspired the TV series PLANET OF THE APES".
> >
> > It's always bothered me that Boulle's book was given the title (in
> > Britain) "Monkey Planet". Boulle's title, "La Planete des Singes",
> > would most accurately be translated "The Planet of the Apes" or "The
> > Planet of the Simians". "Monkey Planet" sounds like it should be
> > about a bunch of howler monkeys & capuchin monkeys & the like. An APE
> > is not a MONKEY. The talking creatures on Soror are Chimpanzees,
> > Gorillas, and Orangutans--APES, not monkeys, dammit!
> >
> > Anyway, this edition "was printed in Australia at The Dominion Press,
> > Blackburn, Victoria" and "is sold subject to the condition that it
> > shall not, by way of trade, be lent, re-sold, hired out, or otherwise
> > disposed of without the publisher's consent in any form of binding or
> > cover other than that in which it is published", and "for copyright
> > reasons this edition is not for sale in the U.S.A."
> >
> > Gee, I hope the guys at "Comic Junction" got the publisher's consent
> > to re-sell it to me! All that for a softcover mass-market paperback?
> > I've worked at a "B. Dalton Bookseller" and currently work at
> > a "Media Play" store, and when paperback books are taken off-shelf,
> > their covers are stripped off and the bulk is thrown in the garbage.
> > I can understand doing that to books churned out by Harlequin
> > Romances or to Almanacs or "Tax-Guides" from out-dated years, but it
> > always makes me feel guilty to rip the cover off a perfectly good
> > book, just because it ain't a hardcover.
> >
> > Anyway, I can FINALLY say that I own a copy of Boulle's book "Monkey
> > Planet". I'm surprised that the British commonwealth publishers of
> > the book didn't re-name it, to capitalize on the popularity of the
> > American title, "Planet of the Apes". The novel that "Die Hard" was
> > based on was re-published with the title "Die Hard", which makes a
> > hell of a lot of sense; all they had to do was put a blurb on the
> > bottom saying "Originally published as NOTHING LASTS FOREVER" or
> > whatever. I would like to see translations of Boulle's books with
> > Boulle's original title somewhere on the front cover, even if only on
> > a "crawl" at the bottom.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 1:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Oh please!

In a message dated 10/26/2002 3:30:32 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

There's a Kim Hunter street in Jersey?

Seek and Ye shall find.

Look in Englewood, near the Cliffs.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 1:59 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] An apology

All right, James, I apologize.

I'm so sorry you are the way you are.  It's too bad you are the way you are, but as sorry as I am for the way you are, you're still the way you are, and for that I'm so sorry.  I'm so sorry that my saying I'm sorry isn't going to make you any better than you are, and for that I'm so very sorry, sorry that for no matter how sorry I am you, James, are going to be just as worthy of my sorrow tomorrow as you are today and just as sorry as all the days after that, sorry as it is possible to be sorry, so very sorry that all my sorrows run into one long stream of sory this and sorry that, but none equel to the sorry I feel for you, James, the sorriest of all.  For you James I'm so very sorry.  You hear, James?  You hear me, James?!!  I'm telling you I'm sorry!  I'm telling you I'm so very sorry!  I'M TELLING YOU, JAMES!!!  CAN'T YOU HEAR ME TELLING YOU?!!!!  I"M SCREAMING IT FROM THE TOP OF MY LUNGS!!!!!  I'M SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!  YOU SEE!!!   I!!!   ME!!!!   SORRY!!!!!  VERY, VERY SORRY!!!!  I'M SORRY, JAMES!!!!    TELL ME THAT YOU HEAR ME, JAMES!!!  FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T LET ME SUFFER!!!!  I'M HERE, YOU HEAR?  SO VERY SORRY!!!  SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!  YOU AND NO OTHER, JAMES!!!!   I'M ONLY SORRY FOR YOU!!!  YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE, JAMES, THE ONLY ONE, YOU HEAR ME?  I WON'T BE SORRY FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT YOU, JAMES!!!   TELL ME THAT YOU FEEL ME FEELING SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!  SAY THE WORDS THAT'LL LET ME KNOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW VERY SORRY I AM, JAMES!!!  SORRY AS I CAN BE!!!  SO VERY SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES!!!!  IT IS FOR YOU THAT I AM SORRY, JAMES!!!  JAMES, JAMES, JAMES!!!!  I FEEL I'M NOT GETTING THROUGH TO YOU THE DEPTH OF MY FEELING SORRY FOR YOU!!!  LET ME TO YOU HOW VERY SORRY I AM FOR YOU JAMES!!!  YOU ARE SO WORTHY OF MY SORROW!  NEVER HAVE I FELT SUCH SORROW!  I'M SO VERY SORRY FOR YOU!!!  SO VERY SORRY!!!  I'M EXHAUSTED WITH SORRY, JAMES!  I CAN HARDLY TYPE ANY MORE HOW SORRY THAT IT IS THAT I AM FOR YOU AND ONLY YOU, JAMES!!!  OH SO VERY SORRY, JAMES!!!   OH SO SORRY!!!   JAMES, I CAN'T GO ON MUCH LONGER!!  MY MIND IS GOING!!!  I CAN FEEL IT!!!  I CAN FEEL IT!!!  I'M STILL SORRY FOR YOU, JAMES, BUT MY MIND IS GOING!!!  I'M EXHAUSTED AND MY MIND IS GOING!!!  I'M AFRAID, JAMES!!!  I'M AFRAID!!!  I'M. . . . SO. . . . SORRY. . . .SO. . . .SORRY.....SoRRy......soRry......so...so....o..  o.. .....

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