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Group: pota Message: 26315 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26316 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: First edition "POTA"
Group: pota Message: 26317 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
Group: pota Message: 26318 From: Chris Hight Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Planet Hollywood Icarus Photo
Group: pota Message: 26319 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26320 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26321 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] First edition "POTA"
Group: pota Message: 26322 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: POTA Original Pieces
Group: pota Message: 26323 From: Whitty, Michael Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Simpsons POTA Toys/Merchandise
Group: pota Message: 26324 From: libraryape Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hi Alex
Group: pota Message: 26325 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26326 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26327 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] First edition "POTA"
Group: pota Message: 26328 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26329 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Planet Hollywood Icarus Photo
Group: pota Message: 26330 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Original Pieces
Group: pota Message: 26331 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Big monkey hopes (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26332 From: mlccougar Date: 4/5/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Big monkey hopes (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26333 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/6/2003
Subject: Baker's first Oscar
Group: pota Message: 26334 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26335 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26336 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26337 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26338 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Pink of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 26339 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26340 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26341 From: Whitty, Michael Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Julius Figure (In Progress)
Group: pota Message: 26342 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Terminator of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 26343 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26344 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26345 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26346 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/7/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26347 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
Group: pota Message: 26348 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26349 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure (In Progress)
Group: pota Message: 26350 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26351 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure (In Progress)
Group: pota Message: 26352 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26353 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26354 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26355 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26356 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26357 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Teaser
Group: pota Message: 26358 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: Teaser
Group: pota Message: 26359 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Teaser
Group: pota Message: 26360 From: Whitty, Michael Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Julius Figure Final Version Photo
Group: pota Message: 26361 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Teaser
Group: pota Message: 26362 From: Chris Hight Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
Group: pota Message: 26363 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
Group: pota Message: 26364 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
Group: pota Message: 26365 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
Group: pota Message: 26366 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26367 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26368 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: Another Teaser
Group: pota Message: 26369 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/10/2003
Subject: SWEDEN BANS EXPERIMENTS ON GREAT APES
Group: pota Message: 26370 From: libraryape Date: 4/11/2003
Subject: Re: SWEDEN BANS EXPERIMENTS ON GREAT APES
Group: pota Message: 26371 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 4/12/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
Group: pota Message: 26372 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: testing
Group: pota Message: 26373 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: "Starcon '96", Pt. 5
Group: pota Message: 26374 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Starcon '96, Pt. 6
Group: pota Message: 26375 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon '96, Pt. 6
Group: pota Message: 26376 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon '96, Pt. 6
Group: pota Message: 26377 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon '96, Pt. 6
Group: pota Message: 26378 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/13/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Starcon '96, Pt. 6
Group: pota Message: 26379 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: POTA audio
Group: pota Message: 26380 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA audio
Group: pota Message: 26381 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA audio
Group: pota Message: 26382 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/14/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA audio
Group: pota Message: 26383 From: Dave B Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: POTA audio
Group: pota Message: 26384 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: POTA audio
Group: pota Message: 26385 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA audio
Group: pota Message: 26386 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Roddy Drawing
Group: pota Message: 26387 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
Group: pota Message: 26388 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
Group: pota Message: 26389 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Galen drawing
Group: pota Message: 26390 From: Neil Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
Group: pota Message: 26391 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
Group: pota Message: 26392 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
Group: pota Message: 26393 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: tv site
Group: pota Message: 26394 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Roddy Drawing
Group: pota Message: 26395 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/18/2003
Subject: Check out PLANET OF THE APES SWEEPSTAKES
Group: pota Message: 26396 From: Dean Date: 4/23/2003
Subject: Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 26397 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 26398 From: Dean Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 26399 From: Dean Date: 4/24/2003
Subject: Banners on ebay
Group: pota Message: 26400 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book
Group: pota Message: 26401 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book
Group: pota Message: 26402 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book
Group: pota Message: 26403 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/25/2003
Subject: (no subject)
Group: pota Message: 26404 From: Dave B Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: pota Message: 26405 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
Group: pota Message: 26406 From: Dave B Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
Group: pota Message: 26407 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
Group: pota Message: 26408 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/26/2003
Subject: live auction
Group: pota Message: 26409 From: Steve Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Apes Comics & Records For Sale!!!!!
Group: pota Message: 26410 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes Comics & Records For Sale!!!!!
Group: pota Message: 26411 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: The group
Group: pota Message: 26412 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
Group: pota Message: 26413 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
Group: pota Message: 26414 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/27/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The group



Group: pota Message: 26315 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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Oh yeah, and Jeff forgot to add the bit that is most relevant to the world today:

 

“Can’t you see

It all (ie WAR) makes perfect sense

Expressed in dollars and cents

Pounds shillings and pence

Can’t you see

It all makes perfect sense”

 

It’s a business.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
Sent:
Thursday, 3 April 2003 8:18 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

 

Waters wanted to use quotes from 2001:A Space Odyssey in the background of this song, but Kubrick would not allow it.

 

Needless to say, as with most things Kubrick denied the general public (such as DVDs and VHS of A Clockwork Orange), when he died this ceased. If you get Waters’ latest release CD (“In The Flesh”) it has a live recording of “Perfect Sense”, complete with HAL having a “nervous breakdown”.

 

Of course, Roger wrote all Pink Floyd’s lyrics from 1973 (Dark Side of the Moon) to The Final Cut. He then went solo.

 

I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today and he signed a t-shirt for me.

 

What does this have to do with POTA? Nothing.


Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2003 5:22 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

 

The monkey sat on a pile of stones
And he stared at the broken bone in his hand
And the strains of a Viennese quartet
Rang out across the land
The monkey looked up at the stars
And he thought to himself
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
And he cleaned his hands
In a pool of holy writing
Turned his back on the garden
And set out for the nearest town
Hold on hold on soldier
When you add it all up
The tears and the marrowbone
There's an ounce of gold
And an ounce of pride in each ledger
And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And the Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news
And is it any wonder
That the monkey's confused
He said Mama Mama
The President's a fool
Why do I have to keep reading
These technical manuals
And the joint chiefs of staff
and the brokers on Wall Street said
Don't make us laugh
You're a smart kid
Time is linear
Memory's a stranger
History's for fools
Man is a tool in the hands
Of the great God Almighty
And they gave him command
Of a nuclear submarine
And sent him back in search of
The Garden of Eden

                                              - - - Roger Waters,
                                           "Perfect Sense", Pt. 1


----- Original Message -----
From: <handleyr@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591


> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
> Subject: Re: Big monkey hopes (OT)
> >I don't know if I would like to see a POTA 2001 sequel.
> I>f they would make a complete remake once again and
> >not a sequel to 2001.  Then yes, I would welcome it.
>
> Really?  I dunno... that seems kind of pointless, to remake a film only
> two years after it's been remade.  In any case, I don't think we'll ever
> see a sequel, considering the backlash the first one took, the lackluster
> response to the comics, and the fact that the spinoff books didn't sell
> well.  I'd go see it if we did... but I'm not holding my breath.
>
> By the way, can someone tell me if, after Quick's "The Fall" and the first
> two young adult novels, any other POTA2001 novels have been
> released?  I never saw any here in the NY area.  Thanks...
>
> Rich
>
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Group: pota Message: 26316 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: First edition "POTA"
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Just yesterday I went on a bookstore jaunt, and found in a fairly
good used book store a paperback copy of "PLANET OF THE APES" (the
Xan Fielding translation, of course) which predates the making of the
movie. The publication history page (page 4) reads:

-------------
Copyright, 1963 by Pierre Boulle

All rights reserved. No portion of this book may be reproduced in any
form without the written permission of the publisher, except by a
reviewer who may wish to quote brief passages in connection with a
review for a newspaper or magazine. For information address Vanguard
Press, Inc., 424 Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10017.

Published as a SIGNET BOOK
by arrangement with Vanguard Press, Inc.,
who have authorized this softcover edition.
A hardcover edition is available from Vanguard Press.

First printing, November, 1964
--------------

On the back cover, in addition to 3 reviewer quotes (from "The
Atlantic", "Newark News", and "San Francisco News-Call Bulletin")
there's a photo of Boulle holding a copy of "Le pont de la riviere
kwai", and a brief bio-paragraph which says, in part:

"His first novel published in this country was the tremendously
successful 'The Bridge Over the River Kwai', later made into the
Academy Award-winning film. 'Planet of the Apes' will be filmed in
1965."

And at the bottom it says:

PUBLISHED BY THE NEW AMERICAN LIBRARY

Now, I know that Arthur P. Jacobs purchased the rights to film
Boulle's novel before it was published, and all that... but since the
novel was first published (in French) in 1963, and this first English-
language version (American, using "ape" instead of the
British "monkey" variation in Xan Fielding's translation) was
published in November of 1964, how is it that they "knew" that it
would "be filmed in 1965"?

According to Brian Pendreigh's book "THE LEGEND OF THE PLANET OF THE
APES: OR HOW HOLLYWOOD TURNED DARWIN UPSIDE DOWN", it wasn't
until "September 1966, almost exactly a month after 'Fantastic
Voyage' opened, [that] Dick Zanuck gave the go-ahead for 'Planet of
the Apes' starring Charlton Heston and Edward G. Robinson", this
being about half a year after the screen-test they'd made in March of
1966. We all know that A.P.Jacobs gave pitches to all the other
studios, which "passed" on it (even Fox, prior to Zanuck's
inevitable "okay"-ing of it)... so, just because the film rights had
been bought, why does this New American Library/Signet 1st edition
paperback say that POTA "will be filmed in 1965"?

Did they know something we don't? Or, were they just overly
confident, given the Oscar-winning of the David Lean film of "Kwai",
that Boulle's next major novel would also be filmed?

At any rate, I think I now have enough editions of "Planet of the
Apes"! I have 2 original hardcover editions (the Xan Fielding
translation, with the title in red letters on a black dust jacket), 2
copies of Boulle's book in French (one with a photo of Cornelius on
it, the other with a glossy painting of the Statue of Liberty tipped
over--this, despite the novel not having Lady Liberty in it!), the
British "Monkey Planet" version of Xan Fielding's translation (with
Urko on the cover), 2 versions of the paperback with stills from the
movie (the Astronauts in the raft & the profile of the Gorilla's
head), the Burton-movie tie-in version of Boulle's novel (not to be
confused with the novelization), the paperback version with a
painting that uses the pic of Ursus holding his pistol, a recently
published hardcover geared towards 'books-which-were-the-basis-for-
classic-movies', with a film-spool design on the dust jacket, and now
this Signet 1st edition paperback, which has a white-furred gorilla
face on the cover.

Unless I manage to get my paws on a 1st edition copy of the original
novel in French, I swear to the Almighty Bomb that I'm not gonna buy
another goddamned copy of "POTA"!

Patrick
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Group: pota Message: 26317 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
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Yeah, but not the video files. All of those 2001 fan made videos and
trailers never got backed up. I have about 2 or 3 different versions of the
sites backed up as I was updating the site, style wise. But I'll be creating
a whole new site as you see now for Terminator at www.techcomforces.com with
flash intro and menus and the contents will be HUGE with video segments on
just about all I have on VHS tapes. Like I said, it's going the be the
ultimate POTA fan site.

Al







>From: <veetus@...>
>Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
>Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 22:56:42 -0800
>
> Do you still have your POTA2001 site saved? - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
>
>
> > Sorry Jeff but I'd rather not cover POTA 2001 on the site.
> > This will be a true blue POTA Classic Site.
> > And I won't countdown a sequel if made, once this site is complete and
>on
> > line it will be running on autopilot til 3978. :o)
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > >From: <veetus@...>
> > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
> > >Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:38:30 -0800
> > >
> > > Ahem...will the site cover POTA2001, Alex? - - - Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
> > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:37 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Wendy.
> > > > Thanks. Yes I remember. And I still have it as I still have the
>complete
> > > > site on disc. Your poem may soon return online along with a new and
> > >improved
> > > > Permanant POTA Ultimate Classic Site covering the complete films,
>t.v.
> > > > series and toons.
> > > > I have a dream... :o)
> > > >
> > > > Nice to hear from you.
> > > >
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > > >From: "libraryape" <willowape@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
> > > > >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:50:26 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Hey, I don't know if you remember me but I had a poem on and the
> > > > >beginnings of novel posted on your sight. Glad to see you are with
> > > > >us. Wendy
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____ > > _____
_____
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Group: pota Message: 26318 From: Chris Hight Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Planet Hollywood Icarus Photo
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Aurora would have been the company most likely to put
out the Icarus. Infact, I believe I read somewhere
that they wanted to but went out of business before
hand. There are 2 companies that put out unliscensed
versions. One was Skyhook Models. I own this version
and it is quite nice, but the decals are awful. The
price is $50. I could send a photo if anyone is
interested. The other model is by Monsters-in-Motion
and is priced at $100 (I don't own this version).

Chris Hight

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Group: pota Message: 26319 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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  Very good, Michael. Yes, I have "In the Flesh". And "Amused to Death". They rock. What does it have to do with POTA? Nothing. What does it have to do with the world today? Nothing. If you say so. That's why it's OT and not on the other group. Now, what comic book did you want to talk about? - - - Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:17 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

Waters wanted to use quotes from 2001:A Space Odyssey in the background of this song, but Kubrick would not allow it.

 

Needless to say, as with most things Kubrick denied the general public (such as DVDs and VHS of A Clockwork Orange), when he died this ceased.  If you get WatersÂ’ latest release CD (“In The Flesh”) it has a live recording of “Perfect Sense”, complete with HAL having a “nervous breakdown”.

 

Of course, Roger wrote all Pink FloydÂ’s lyrics from 1973 (Dark Side of the Moon) to The Final Cut.  He then went solo.

 

I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today and he signed a t-shirt for me.

 

What does this have to do with POTA?  Nothing.


Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2003 5:22 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

 

The monkey sat on a pile of stones
And he stared at the broken bone in his hand
And the strains of a Viennese quartet
Rang out across the land
The monkey looked up at the stars
And he thought to himself
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
And he cleaned his hands
In a pool of holy writing
Turned his back on the garden
And set out for the nearest town
Hold on hold on soldier
When you add it all up
The tears and the marrowbone
There's an ounce of gold
And an ounce of pride in each ledger
And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And the Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news
And is it any wonder
That the monkey's confused
He said Mama Mama
The President's a fool
Why do I have to keep reading
These technical manuals
And the joint chiefs of staff
and the brokers on Wall Street said
Don't make us laugh
You're a smart kid
Time is linear
Memory's a stranger
History's for fools
Man is a tool in the hands
Of the great God Almighty
And they gave him command
Of a nuclear submarine
And sent him back in search of
The Garden of Eden

                                              - - - Roger Waters,
                                           "Perfect Sense", Pt. 1


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591


> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
> Subject: Re: Big monkey hopes (OT)
> >I don't know if I would like to see a POTA 2001 sequel.
> I>f they would make a complete remake once again and
> >not a sequel to 2001.  Then yes, I would welcome it.
>
> Really?  I dunno... that seems kind of pointless, to remake a film only
> two years after it's been remade.  In any case, I don't think we'll ever
> see a sequel, considering the backlash the first one took, the lackluster
> response to the comics, and the fact that the spinoff books didn't sell
> well.  I'd go see it if we did... but I'm not holding my breath.
>
> By the way, can someone tell me if, after Quick's "The Fall" and the first
> two young adult novels, any other POTA2001 novels have been
> released?  I never saw any here in the NY area.  Thanks...
>
> Rich
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Group: pota Message: 26320 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/3/2003
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  Business? What's that got to do with POTA? Nothing. - - - Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:22 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

Oh yeah, and Jeff forgot to add the bit that is most relevant to the world today:

 

“Can’t you see

It all (ie WAR) makes perfect sense

Expressed in dollars and cents

Pounds shillings and pence

CanÂ’t you see

It all makes perfect sense”

 

ItÂ’s a business.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
Sent:
Thursday, 3 April 2003 8:18 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

 

Waters wanted to use quotes from 2001:A Space Odyssey in the background of this song, but Kubrick would not allow it.

 

Needless to say, as with most things Kubrick denied the general public (such as DVDs and VHS of A Clockwork Orange), when he died this ceased.  If you get WatersÂ’ latest release CD (“In The Flesh”) it has a live recording of “Perfect Sense”, complete with HAL having a “nervous breakdown”.

 

Of course, Roger wrote all Pink FloydÂ’s lyrics from 1973 (Dark Side of the Moon) to The Final Cut.  He then went solo.

 

I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today and he signed a t-shirt for me.

 

What does this have to do with POTA?  Nothing.


Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2003 5:22 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

 

The monkey sat on a pile of stones
And he stared at the broken bone in his hand
And the strains of a Viennese quartet
Rang out across the land
The monkey looked up at the stars
And he thought to himself
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
And he cleaned his hands
In a pool of holy writing
Turned his back on the garden
And set out for the nearest town
Hold on hold on soldier
When you add it all up
The tears and the marrowbone
There's an ounce of gold
And an ounce of pride in each ledger
And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And the Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news
And is it any wonder
That the monkey's confused
He said Mama Mama
The President's a fool
Why do I have to keep reading
These technical manuals
And the joint chiefs of staff
and the brokers on Wall Street said
Don't make us laugh
You're a smart kid
Time is linear
Memory's a stranger
History's for fools
Man is a tool in the hands
Of the great God Almighty
And they gave him command
Of a nuclear submarine
And sent him back in search of
The Garden of Eden

                                              - - - Roger Waters,
                                           "Perfect Sense", Pt. 1


----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591


> From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
> Subject: Re: Big monkey hopes (OT)
> >I don't know if I would like to see a POTA 2001 sequel.
> I>f they would make a complete remake once again and
> >not a sequel to 2001.  Then yes, I would welcome it.
>
> Really?  I dunno... that seems kind of pointless, to remake a film only
> two years after it's been remade.  In any case, I don't think we'll ever
> see a sequel, considering the backlash the first one took, the lackluster
> response to the comics, and the fact that the spinoff books didn't sell
> well.  I'd go see it if we did... but I'm not holding my breath.
>
> By the way, can someone tell me if, after Quick's "The Fall" and the first
> two young adult novels, any other POTA2001 novels have been
> released?  I never saw any here in the NY area.  Thanks...
>
> Rich
>
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Group: pota Message: 26321 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] First edition "POTA"
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The book was published in both France and America in 1963 (Happy 40th
Anniversary!) and Jacobs got the rights before it was published. I don't
know the whole history off the top of my head but you can bet the publisher
knew about this and it looked at that point as if it would be filmed in
1965. I think Zanuck authorized Jacobs to buy it for Fox in '63 but got cold
feet. Is this the version with the ape illustration? I have that, a
hardcover U.S. edition, a german edition and 2 different movie editions. And
a French edition from the '90's. - - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:57 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] First edition "POTA"


> Just yesterday I went on a bookstore jaunt, and found in a fairly
> good used book store a paperback copy of "PLANET OF THE APES" (the
> Xan Fielding translation, of course) which predates the making of the
> movie. The publication history page (page 4) reads:
>
> -------------
> Copyright, 1963 by Pierre Boulle
>
> All rights reserved. No portion of this book may be reproduced in any
> form without the written permission of the publisher, except by a
> reviewer who may wish to quote brief passages in connection with a
> review for a newspaper or magazine. For information address Vanguard
> Press, Inc., 424 Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10017.
>
> Published as a SIGNET BOOK
> by arrangement with Vanguard Press, Inc.,
> who have authorized this softcover edition.
> A hardcover edition is available from Vanguard Press.
>
> First printing, November, 1964
> --------------
>
> On the back cover, in addition to 3 reviewer quotes (from "The
> Atlantic", "Newark News", and "San Francisco News-Call Bulletin")
> there's a photo of Boulle holding a copy of "Le pont de la riviere
> kwai", and a brief bio-paragraph which says, in part:
>
> "His first novel published in this country was the tremendously
> successful 'The Bridge Over the River Kwai', later made into the
> Academy Award-winning film. 'Planet of the Apes' will be filmed in
> 1965."
>
> And at the bottom it says:
>
> PUBLISHED BY THE NEW AMERICAN LIBRARY
>
> Now, I know that Arthur P. Jacobs purchased the rights to film
> Boulle's novel before it was published, and all that... but since the
> novel was first published (in French) in 1963, and this first English-
> language version (American, using "ape" instead of the
> British "monkey" variation in Xan Fielding's translation) was
> published in November of 1964, how is it that they "knew" that it
> would "be filmed in 1965"?
>
> According to Brian Pendreigh's book "THE LEGEND OF THE PLANET OF THE
> APES: OR HOW HOLLYWOOD TURNED DARWIN UPSIDE DOWN", it wasn't
> until "September 1966, almost exactly a month after 'Fantastic
> Voyage' opened, [that] Dick Zanuck gave the go-ahead for 'Planet of
> the Apes' starring Charlton Heston and Edward G. Robinson", this
> being about half a year after the screen-test they'd made in March of
> 1966. We all know that A.P.Jacobs gave pitches to all the other
> studios, which "passed" on it (even Fox, prior to Zanuck's
> inevitable "okay"-ing of it)... so, just because the film rights had
> been bought, why does this New American Library/Signet 1st edition
> paperback say that POTA "will be filmed in 1965"?
>
> Did they know something we don't? Or, were they just overly
> confident, given the Oscar-winning of the David Lean film of "Kwai",
> that Boulle's next major novel would also be filmed?
>
> At any rate, I think I now have enough editions of "Planet of the
> Apes"! I have 2 original hardcover editions (the Xan Fielding
> translation, with the title in red letters on a black dust jacket), 2
> copies of Boulle's book in French (one with a photo of Cornelius on
> it, the other with a glossy painting of the Statue of Liberty tipped
> over--this, despite the novel not having Lady Liberty in it!), the
> British "Monkey Planet" version of Xan Fielding's translation (with
> Urko on the cover), 2 versions of the paperback with stills from the
> movie (the Astronauts in the raft & the profile of the Gorilla's
> head), the Burton-movie tie-in version of Boulle's novel (not to be
> confused with the novelization), the paperback version with a
> painting that uses the pic of Ursus holding his pistol, a recently
> published hardcover geared towards 'books-which-were-the-basis-for-
> classic-movies', with a film-spool design on the dust jacket, and now
> this Signet 1st edition paperback, which has a white-furred gorilla
> face on the cover.
>
> Unless I manage to get my paws on a 1st edition copy of the original
> novel in French, I swear to the Almighty Bomb that I'm not gonna buy
> another goddamned copy of "POTA"!
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 26322 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: POTA Original Pieces
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Group: pota Message: 26323 From: Whitty, Michael Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Simpsons POTA Toys/Merchandise
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These are great ides Helen.
 
And yes I am after ideas for BOTH precious, protected collectibles AND ideas for products we would buy and open.
 
Funny how they go hand in hand......the things that EVERYONE opens and NOBODY keeps (the POTA Chocolate Lollipop for example) are the ones that end up being worth SO MUCH if they survive intact!
 
And yes I am very serious about these ideas.  As soon as we get some workable ideas I will ask you all if you would buy and I will set about trying to get a Fan Club License to manufacture some.  Probably ideas like the PEZ will be first in line (less $ to make, less $ to buy) and everything will be limited so there will be a chance of an increase in value.
 
I have posted this to both groups as I am sure there are many ideas out there.
 
Michael
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From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:19 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Simpsons POTA Toys/Merchandise

Are you looking for more ideas?

My list:  I'm not a collector, so these things I would buy and give
to the kids or use/display without regrets in my home..........

1.)
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Group: pota Message: 26324 From: libraryape Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hi Alex
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That's a Roger, Alex. Smile ;0)--- In
pota@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@h...> wrote:
> Great Wendy.
> I'd rather wait until I open the site so please hold on to it.
>
> Thanks.
> Al
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "libraryape" <willowape@h...>
> >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Hi Alex
> >Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 00:21:09 -0000
> >
> >Hey alex,
> >
> >That's fantastic! I have another poem "Thade" if you are
interested.
> >Thypenticle thought it was good enough to be posted on poetry
website
> >but I declined. In spite of "Destiny" and "Thade" I still consider
> >myself an awful poet. The novel I posted on your site has really
> >bloomed. Thanks to you, I have inhereted readers who won't let me
> >quit until I have typed the last word. I have a one page synopsis.
If
> >you are interested I can send it on over. After all, it was you,
> >Prophecysite, that started me on this road of determination to
write
> >a classic POTA novel. I have a dream. :0) Wendy
> >
> > @yahoogroups.com, "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@h...>
wrote:
> > > Hi Wendy.
> > > Thanks. Yes I remember. And I still have it as I still have the
> >complete
> > > site on disc. Your poem may soon return online along with a new
and
> >improved
> > > Permanant POTA Ultimate Classic Site covering the complete
films,
> >t.v.
> > > series and toons.
> > > I have a dream... :o)
> > >
> > > Nice to hear from you.
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> > > >From: "libraryape" <willowape@h...>
> > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Hi Alex
> > > >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:50:26 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Hey, I don't know if you remember me but I had a poem on and
the
> > > >beginnings of novel posted on your sight. Glad to see you are
with
> > > >us. Wendy
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
_____ > _____
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Group: pota Message: 26325 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/3/2003
Subject: Re: Perfect Sense (OT)
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Yeah but did you chat to Roger and get his autograph? NO!

To do with the world today? The war raging on as it is? PLENTY!
Waters' main theme is the futlility of war. He actually offended
many people with his comments on 9/11, saying how misunderstood the
Muslims are and that the USA needs to review policies.

Anyway, I'd like to talk about Casper and Richie Rich crossovers.

Does OT mean "Off (your) Tits?"

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Very good, Michael. Yes, I have "In the Flesh". And "Amused to
Death". They rock. What does it have to do with POTA? Nothing. What
does it have to do with the world today? Nothing. If you say so.
That's why it's OT and not on the other group. Now, what comic book
did you want to talk about? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
>
>
> Waters wanted to use quotes from 2001:A Space Odyssey in the
background of this song, but Kubrick would not allow it.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, as with most things Kubrick denied the general
public (such as DVDs and VHS of A Clockwork Orange), when he died
this ceased. If you get Waters' latest release CD ("In The Flesh")
it has a live recording of "Perfect Sense", complete with HAL having
a "nervous breakdown".
>
>
>
> Of course, Roger wrote all Pink Floyd's lyrics from 1973 (Dark
Side of the Moon) to The Final Cut. He then went solo.
>
>
>
> I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today
and he signed a t-shirt for me.
>
>
>
> What does this have to do with POTA? Nothing.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2003 5:22 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
>
>
>
> The monkey sat on a pile of stones
> And he stared at the broken bone in his hand
> And the strains of a Viennese quartet
> Rang out across the land
> The monkey looked up at the stars
> And he thought to himself
> Memory is a stranger
> History is for fools
> And he cleaned his hands
> In a pool of holy writing
> Turned his back on the garden
> And set out for the nearest town
> Hold on hold on soldier
> When you add it all up
> The tears and the marrowbone
> There's an ounce of gold
> And an ounce of pride in each ledger
> And the Germans killed the Jews
> And the Jews killed the Arabs
> And the Arabs killed the hostages
> And that is the news
> And is it any wonder
> That the monkey's confused
> He said Mama Mama
> The President's a fool
> Why do I have to keep reading
> These technical manuals
> And the joint chiefs of staff
> and the brokers on Wall Street said
> Don't make us laugh
> You're a smart kid
> Time is linear
> Memory's a stranger
> History's for fools
> Man is a tool in the hands
> Of the great God Almighty
> And they gave him command
> Of a nuclear submarine
> And sent him back in search of
> The Garden of Eden
>
> - - - Roger Waters,
> "Perfect Sense", Pt. 1
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <handleyr@o...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 8:54 AM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
>
>
> > From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@h...>
> > Subject: Re: Big monkey hopes (OT)
> > >I don't know if I would like to see a POTA 2001 sequel.
> > I>f they would make a complete remake once again and
> > >not a sequel to 2001. Then yes, I would welcome it.
> >
> > Really? I dunno... that seems kind of pointless, to remake a
film only
> > two years after it's been remade. In any case, I don't think
we'll ever
> > see a sequel, considering the backlash the first one took, the
lackluster
> > response to the comics, and the fact that the spinoff books
didn't sell
> > well. I'd go see it if we did... but I'm not holding my breath.
> >
> > By the way, can someone tell me if, after Quick's "The Fall"
and the first
> > two young adult novels, any other POTA2001 novels have been
> > released? I never saw any here in the NY area. Thanks...
> >
> > Rich
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
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Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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You really are a cheeky little monkey aren't you Jeff?

Hey, who is that hippie looking guy standing in the background behind
Luiz Adami on page 5 of Issue 4 of Simian Scrolls?

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Business? What's that got to do with POTA? Nothing. - - - Jeff
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Group: pota Message: 26327 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] First edition "POTA"
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Yeah, as I said, "... and [I have] now this Signet 1st edition
paperback, which has a white-furred gorilla face on the cover."

It's funny how some authors, like Stephen King and Michael Crichton,
can write a book which gets made into a movie and then EVERYTHING
they ever write subsequently gets the film-rights bought up and a
movie gets made! Most of the Stephen King-based movies are mediocre,
which is sad--especially those which have screenplays written by the
author (I'm thinking, especially, of King's rancid TV-movie version
of "THE SHINING"). I am looking forward to "TIMELINE", based on
Crichton's excellent novel. After "9/11" I doubt if his "AIRFRAME"
will ever get made into a movie, though...

I wonder why it is that none of Boulle's other novels ever got made
into movies? You'd think that after having written "Kwai" and "POTA"
that OTHER books of his would've been optioned and made--if even only
by French filmmakers. Right now, with the French being seen (rightly,
I must say) as a bunch of weasels due to their molly-coddling of the
Saddam Hussein regime, and the "frog"-bashing going on lately, I
doubt if people are lining up to buy ANY French-based product. So
far, though, I haven't seen any of the late-night talk-show guys
point out that the most implausible aspect of the new movie "THE
CORE" is that there's a brave Frenchman onboard "Virgil"
(the "subterrene" drilling ship). A brave Frenchman! Hah! At least
the Aussies have the fortitude to fight the good fight.

Patrick

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> The book was published in both France and America in 1963 (Happy
40th Anniversary!) and Jacobs got the rights before it was published.
I don't know the whole history off the top of my head but you can bet
the publisher knew about this and it looked at that point as if it
would be filmed in 1965. I think Zanuck authorized Jacobs to buy it
for Fox in '63 but got cold feet.

***Is this the version with the ape illustration? [see above]

I have that, a hardcover U.S. edition, a german edition and 2
different movie editions. And a French edition from the '90's. - - -
Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@y...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:57 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] First edition "POTA"
>
>
> > Just yesterday I went on a bookstore jaunt, and found in a fairly
good used book store a paperback copy of "PLANET OF THE APES" (the
Xan Fielding translation, of course) which predates the making of the
movie. The publication history page (page 4) reads:
> >
> > -------------
> > Copyright, 1963 by Pierre Boulle
> >
> > All rights reserved. No portion of this book may be reproduced in
any form without the written permission of the publisher, except by a
reviewer who may wish to quote brief passages in connection with a
review for a newspaper or magazine. For information address Vanguard
Press, Inc., 424 Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10017.
> > Published as a SIGNET BOOK
> > by arrangement with Vanguard Press, Inc.,
> > who have authorized this softcover edition.
> > A hardcover edition is available from Vanguard Press.
> >
> > First printing, November, 1964
> > --------------
> >
> > On the back cover, in addition to 3 reviewer quotes (from "The
Atlantic", "Newark News", and "San Francisco News-Call Bulletin")
there's a photo of Boulle holding a copy of "Le pont de la riviere
kwai", and a brief bio-paragraph which says, in part:
> >
> > "His first novel published in this country was the tremendously
successful 'The Bridge Over the River Kwai', later made into the
Academy Award-winning film. 'Planet of the Apes' will be filmed in
1965."
> >
> > And at the bottom it says:
> >
> > PUBLISHED BY THE NEW AMERICAN LIBRARY
> > Now, I know that Arthur P. Jacobs purchased the rights to film
Boulle's novel before it was published, and all that... but since the
novel was first published (in French) in 1963, and this first English-
language version (American, using "ape" instead of the
British "monkey" variation in Xan Fielding's translation) was
published in November of 1964, how is it that they "knew" that it
would "be filmed in 1965"?
> >
> > According to Brian Pendreigh's book "THE LEGEND OF THE PLANET OF
THE APES: OR HOW HOLLYWOOD TURNED DARWIN UPSIDE DOWN", it wasn't
until "September 1966, almost exactly a month after 'Fantastic
Voyage' opened, [that] Dick Zanuck gave the go-ahead for 'Planet of
the Apes' starring Charlton Heston and Edward G. Robinson", this
being about half a year after the screen-test they'd made in March of
1966. We all know that A.P.Jacobs gave pitches to all the other
studios, which "passed" on it (even Fox, prior to Zanuck's
inevitable "okay"-ing of it)... so, just because the film rights had
been bought, why does this New American Library/Signet 1st edition
paperback say that POTA "will be filmed in 1965"?
> >
> > Did they know something we don't? Or, were they just overly
confident, given the Oscar-winning of the David Lean film of "Kwai",
that Boulle's next major novel would also be filmed?
> >
> > At any rate, I think I now have enough editions of "Planet of the
Apes"! I have 2 original hardcover editions (the Xan Fielding
translation, with the title in red letters on a black dust jacket), 2
copies of Boulle's book in French (one with a photo of Cornelius on
it, the other with a glossy painting of the Statue of Liberty tipped
over--this, despite the novel not having Lady Liberty in it!), the
British "Monkey Planet" version of Xan Fielding's translation (with
Urko on the cover), 2 versions of the paperback with stills from the
movie (the Astronauts in the raft & the profile of the Gorilla's
head), the Burton-movie tie-in version of Boulle's novel (not to be
confused with the novelization), the paperback version with a
painting that uses the pic of Ursus holding his pistol, a recently
published hardcover geared towards 'books-which-were-the-basis-for-
classic-movies', with a film-spool design on the dust jacket, and now
this Signet 1st edition paperback, which has a white-furred gorilla
face on the cover.
> >
> > Unless I manage to get my paws on a 1st edition copy of the
original novel in French, I swear to the Almighty Bomb that I'm not
gonna buy another goddamned copy of "POTA"!
> >
> > Patrick
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Group: pota Message: 26328 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Very good, Michael. Yes, I have "In the Flesh". And "Amused to
Death". They rock. What does it have to do with POTA? Nothing. What
does it have to do with the world today? Nothing. If you say so.
That's why it's OT and not on the other group. Now, what comic book
did you want to talk about? - - - Jeff

*** Roger Waters' "AMUSED TO DEATH" is not all that "off topic", in
my opinion. Look at the album cover: an ape watching a TV set.
Reminds me of "ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES"...

Bill Bonds: "Goodnight."
Zira [to the newscaster]: "Goodnight."
[laughter amongst the group of Dixon, Branton, Cornelius & Zira]

"Amused to Death"--of course, they've just been watching an interview
with Hasslein, whose actions lead to the Ape-onauts' deaths.

Patrick
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Group: pota Message: 26329 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Planet Hollywood Icarus Photo
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> Aurora would have been the company most likely to put
> out the Icarus. Infact, I believe I read somewhere
> that they wanted to but went out of business before
> hand. There are 2 companies that put out unliscensed
> versions. One was Skyhook Models. I own this version
> and it is quite nice, but the decals are awful. The
> price is $50. I could send a photo if anyone is
> interested. The other model is by Monsters-in-Motion
> and is priced at $100 (I don't own this version).
>
> Chris Hight

*** Yeah, I got both the Skyhook one and the Monsters-In-Motion one.
There was also a small vacuform "A.N.S.A. spaceship" kit, too. My
point about complaining that Revell hadn't made a version has mostly
to do with the material each kit is made out of. The vacuform stuff
(I think it's styrene) isn't as easy to work with as is the plastic
kits that Revell makes. Neither is the material the Skyhook and M-I-M
versions use. And you have to "special order" those, whereas Revell
kits can usually be found at any hobby shop, right alongside all
the "Star Wars" and "Star Trek" kits. I'd bet that IF Revell were
ever to do a "POTA" ship (usually called "Icarus", but not
canonically), and if it were to be sold in stores just like
the "Wars" & "Trek" kits, they'd a surprising number of 'em. Same
goes for the ships from "2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY"; it's criminal that
they didn't mass-produce model kits of the ships from THAT film!

Patrick
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Group: pota Message: 26330 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/4/2003
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Original Pieces
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    how do i get those 68 originals






    >From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
    >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    >Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Original Pieces
    >Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:13:11 -0500
    >


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    Group: pota Message: 26331 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/4/2003
    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Big monkey hopes (OT)
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      hey do you know if there is 68 pota and beneath on super 8 film






      >From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
      >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Big monkey hopes (OT)
      >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:06:36 -0500
      >


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      Group: pota Message: 26332 From: mlccougar Date: 4/5/2003
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      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John Rutkoski" <johnnyx59@m...> wrote:
      > hey do you know if there is 68 pota and beneath on super 8 film

      Yes, all 5 films were released as Super 8 films... They show up on
      eBay quite frequently...
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      Group: pota Message: 26333 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/6/2003
      Subject: Baker's first Oscar
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      I was at the Motion Picture Academy today where they were displaying a
      rommful of Oscars, at least one for every year since it's inception. Anyway,
      they had Rick Baker's Oscar for "American Werewolf in London" and a picture
      of him with the presenters: Vincent Price and, wait for it...Kim Hunter. I
      remember in '87 when "The Fly" won Best Makeup they opened it with a clip
      from POTA ("What will he find out there, Doctor?") but I don't remember if
      Hunter presented that too. Or am I mixing that up with the '82 "Werewolf"
      Oscars? Anyway, the Oscars have given POTA a lot of respect when it comes to
      makeup. - - - Jeff


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...>
      To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:13 AM
      Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA Original Pieces


      > Ebay has a bunch of Original '68 POTA movie pieces on sale.
      >
      >
      http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=3&from
      =R7&st=2&query=planet+of+the+apes&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ebaytag1=ebayctry&ebay
      tag1code=0&SortProperty=MetaEndSort
      >
      > Now all I need now is to win a lotto.
      > Al
      >
      >
      > _____
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      Group: pota Message: 26334 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/7/2003
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      Well, the theme of the album (other than the really obvious anti-war theme) is that humanity has overdone it in the technology department to the point of extinction – a very similar theme to much of POTA I agree (but I don’t think it was an INTENDED link…the monkey references are mainly to 2001: A Space Odyssey).

       

      MIchael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
      Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2003 12:12 PM
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

       

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
      >   Very good, Michael. Yes, I have "In the Flesh". And "Amused to
      Death". They rock. What does it have to do with POTA? Nothing. What
      does it have to do with the world today? Nothing. If you say so.
      That's why it's OT and not on the other group. Now, what comic book
      did you want to talk about? - - - Jeff

      *** Roger Waters' "AMUSED TO DEATH" is not all that "off topic", in
      my opinion. Look at the album cover: an ape watching a TV set.
      Reminds me of "ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES"...

      Bill Bonds: "Goodnight."
      Zira [to the newscaster]: "Goodnight."
      [laughter amongst the group of Dixon, Branton, Cornelius & Zira]

      "Amused to Death"--of course, they've just been watching an interview
      with Hasslein, whose actions lead to the Ape-onauts' deaths.

      Patrick




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        There wasn't an intended link, just as there wasn't an intended link to the Iraq war, seeing as how the song was written a while ago. But if the shoe fits... - - - Jeff
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:43 AM
      Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

      Well, the theme of the album (other than the really obvious anti-war theme) is that humanity has overdone it in the technology department to the point of extinction – a very similar theme to much of POTA I agree (but I don’t think it was an INTENDED link…the monkey references are mainly to 2001: A Space Odyssey).

       

      MIchael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
      Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2003 12:12 PM
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

       

      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
      >   Very good, Michael. Yes, I have "In the Flesh". And "Amused to
      Death". They rock. What does it have to do with POTA? Nothing. What
      does it have to do with the world today? Nothing. If you say so.
      That's why it's OT and not on the other group. Now, what comic book
      did you want to talk about? - - - Jeff

      *** Roger Waters' "AMUSED TO DEATH" is not all that "off topic", in
      my opinion. Look at the album cover: an ape watching a TV set.
      Reminds me of "ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES"...

      Bill Bonds: "Goodnight."
      Zira [to the newscaster]: "Goodnight."
      [laughter amongst the group of Dixon, Branton, Cornelius & Zira]

      "Amused to Death"--of course, they've just been watching an interview
      with Hasslein, whose actions lead to the Ape-onauts' deaths.

      Patrick




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      Group: pota Message: 26336 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/7/2003
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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      "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
      >I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today and he
      >signed a t-shirt for me.
      >
      >What does this have to do with POTA? Nothing.

      It has everything to do with PotA!

      I recall there is a website somewhere (can't remember the URL) that
      lists Pink Floyd albums and films that they can be played on top of -
      one or two of them are genuine I think, and the rest are just ones
      that people have tried and they've worked.

      Anyway, the point is that apparently there is one Pink Floyd album (it
      might be the Division Bell, but I can't remember) that apparently
      synchronises perfectly with the original PotA movie.

      Alan
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      Group: pota Message: 26337 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/7/2003
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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      It is the Division Bell that you are thinking of.

       

      I thought that was a very poor Pink Floyd album (it was released with no Roger Waters involvement), but some fellow fans have told me it grows on you so I’ll give it another belt (with, of course, POTA). Anyone know if you start when the lion roars or what?

       

      Michael

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
      Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 6:14 AM
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

       

      "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
      >I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today and he
      >signed a t-shirt for me.
      >
      >What does this have to do with POTA?  Nothing.

      It has everything to do with PotA!

      I recall there is a website somewhere (can't remember the URL) that
      lists Pink Floyd albums and films that they can be played on top of -
      one or two of them are genuine I think, and the rest are just ones
      that people have tried and they've worked.

      Anyway, the point is that apparently there is one Pink Floyd album (it
      might be the Division Bell, but I can't remember) that apparently
      synchronises perfectly with the original PotA movie.

      Alan



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      Group: pota Message: 26338 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/7/2003
      Subject: Pink of the Apes
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      .html Pink of the Apes

      Planet of the Division Bell

      Heard of Publius Enigma? Well here's the answer. Get the CD "The Division Bell" by Pink Floyd, and the movie "Planet of The Apes(1968)". Push play on the CD when the 20th Century Fox logo fades to black.    

      The Clues

      On the cover of TDB is an ape like face. Open the CD booklet to the song Keep Talking, and there's the monkeys together that make an ape face. In the book "Mind Over Matter" by Storm Thorgerson, go to page 139. In the black cape you'll see an ape face. Stephen Hawkings saying that "Mankind lived just like animals" on TDB song "Keep Talking". And at the very end of TDB CD if you turn the volume all the way up. You'll hear a conversation that synchs up magically with the movie. "Is that you Charlie?" referring to Charlton Heston. It's a trip!     
      What You Will See

      The song title's describe what's going on in the movie. "CLUSTER ONE" is the intro to the opening credits. You see stars glittering & shooting by. In the CD booklet for this song is a picture of a observatory for watching stars & planets. "WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME" begins just when the spaceship crashes into the water, and the crew members are asking the same question, as they try to get out. "POLES APART" begins when the last crew member jumps off the spaceship, and they paddle their way towards a new planet. They are now poles apart from earth. "MAROONED", they are now marooned on a desert like planet. Just like the picture in the CD booklet. "A GREAT DAY FOR FREEDOM" is when they discover life on the planet. They discover a flower like plant, and trees by a waterfall. the picture in the CD booklet has flowers floating on water. "WEARING THE INSIDE OUT" is when they go skinny dipping by the waterfall. they're wearing the inside out. "TAKE IT BACK" is when the apes take them back to the camp. "COMING BACK TO LIFE" this is when Charlton Heston comes back to life after being shot in the throat. "KEEP TALKING" Heston communicates through writting. His words won't come out right because he has been shot in the throat. Why won't you talk to me. He can't. "LOST FOR WORDS" Heston is gaged by a muzzle. He then fights his way out of there. The picture in the CD boolet is of boxing gloves. "HIGH HOPES" The ringing of the division bell has begun. Heston is on trial as you hear the bell's ringing at the end. At the very end of the CD, if you turn the volume up. You'll hear "Is that you Charlie" as the apes are looking at Charlton(Charlie)Heston. The picture in the CD booklet for the song "High Hopes" is the same one on page 139 of "Mind Over Matter" which you can see an ape face in the black cape, but not in the CD booklet. Publuis Enigma has struck again^~

      FROM:  http://community-2.webtv.net/Dreamx/SYNCHRONICITIESof/



          -----Original Message-----
          From: Alan Maxwell [mailto:alan@...]
          Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 6:14 AM
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)

          "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
          >I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today and he
          >signed a t-shirt for me.
          >
          >What does this have to do with POTA? Nothing.

          It has everything to do with PotA!

          I recall there is a website somewhere (can't remember the URL) that
          lists Pink Floyd albums and films that they can be played on top of -
          one or two of them are genuine I think, and the rest are just ones
          that people have tried and they've worked.

          Anyway, the point is that apparently there is one Pink Floyd album (it
          might be the Division Bell, but I can't remember) that apparently
          synchronises perfectly with the original PotA movie.

          Alan


        

             
             

      .

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      Group: pota Message: 26339 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/7/2003
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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      lists Pink Floyd albums and films that they can be played on top of -
      one or two of them are genuine I think, and the rest are just ones
      that people have tried and they've worked.

      ++I saw on Turner Classics where they played the Wizard of Oz with an option of listening to the Pink Floyd album that syncronizes with it. Amazing.

      Kassidy

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      Group: pota Message: 26340 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/7/2003
      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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      "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...> wrote:
      > I would have loved to have seen Schwarzenegger and Cameron teaming
      up for
      > Planet of the Apes.

      I was dead against a Cameron/Schwarzenegger version of Planet of the
      Apes. The irony though is that I was against it because I thought they
      would churn out the kind of crappy remake that Burton ended up making
      anyway!

      Alan
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      Group: pota Message: 26341 From: Whitty, Michael Date: 4/7/2003
      Subject: Julius Figure (In Progress)
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        Thought some of you here might be interested...
         
        Michael

        Attached is an "in progress" photo of my 12 inch custom Julius figure. He is nearly finished. We are still trying to get the hair painted just right. Some professional pix are coming soon. I've made some extra figures to offset the costs it took to produce it. Anyone interested in taking this figure home can contact me directly at: snickertown@....

        THX for looking,

        Chris Hight

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        Group: pota Message: 26342 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 4/7/2003
        Subject: Terminator of the Apes
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        .htmlFrom:   "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...>
        Date:  Mon Apr 7, 2003  8:11 pm
        Subject:  Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591

        I was dead against a Cameron/Schwarzenegger version of Planet of the Apes. The irony though is that I was against it because I thought they would churn out the kind of crappy remake that Burton ended up making anyway!

        Alan

        I was always against the idea because I didn't like the idea of what would basically have been another Terminator movie, substituting Apes for people...
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        Group: pota Message: 26343 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/7/2003
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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        .htmlIn a message dated 4/7/03 5:53:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alan@... writes:


        I was dead against a Cameron/Schwarzenegger version of Planet of the
        Apes. The irony though is that I was against it because I thought they
        would churn out the kind of crappy remake that Burton ended up making
        anyway!

        Alan




        That's the irony of the apes for 'ya!
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        Group: pota Message: 26344 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/7/2003
        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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          we gotta watch what we wish for. i thought arnold playing taylor role was
          bad idea also. i'm so pissed off with burton and the powers that be. he
          must of had some higher ups dictating to him. i mean look at his other films
          there pretty good characters and stories scissorhands, ed wood,
          beetlejuice. (apes 2001 puke)






          >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
          >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
          >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
          >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:11:15 +0100
          >


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          Group: pota Message: 26345 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/7/2003
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            burton was payed off look at his other movies great characters and stories
            scissorhands, ed wood, beetlejuice. i even enjoy nightmare before
            christmas great storytelling. seems to me the brass had there way with him.
            or he just made a bad choice in writers. i'm upset just thinking about it
            they took a classic and trashed it.







            >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
            >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
            >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
            >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:11:15 +0100
            >


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            Group: pota Message: 26346 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/7/2003
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              ya think cameron would be into a apes pt. 2 we'll prob. have to wait for
              some time to pass






              >From: <veetus@...>
              >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
              >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
              >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:20:53 -0800
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              Group: pota Message: 26347 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
              Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)
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              Since this topic keeps coming up, let me just confess. I thought that song
              was very appropriate to POTA and also to our continuing path of not getting
              along (a main theme of POTA; it doesn't matter who the players are, humans
              on top, apes on top, no one can get along without trying to dominate). Isn't
              what it was intended to be, but as a POTA board and with the continuing war
              coverage day in and day out, it made "perfect sense" to me to quote it.
              Sorry. - - - Jeff


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
              To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:13 PM
              Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Perfect Sense (OT)


              > "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
              > >I met him in Sydney before a concert almost one year ago today and he
              > >signed a t-shirt for me.
              > >
              > >What does this have to do with POTA? Nothing.
              >
              > It has everything to do with PotA!
              >
              > I recall there is a website somewhere (can't remember the URL) that
              > lists Pink Floyd albums and films that they can be played on top of -
              > one or two of them are genuine I think, and the rest are just ones
              > that people have tried and they've worked.
              >
              > Anyway, the point is that apparently there is one Pink Floyd album (it
              > might be the Division Bell, but I can't remember) that apparently
              > synchronises perfectly with the original PotA movie.
              >
              > Alan
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              Group: pota Message: 26348 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
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              Well, if Cameron had stayed involved in POTA it probably still wouldn't
              have been made to this day. At least with the Burton one we don't have to
              wait for it anymore. - - - Jeff


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
              To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:11 PM
              Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591


              > "Alexander Ruiz" <skynetproject@...> wrote:
              > > I would have loved to have seen Schwarzenegger and Cameron teaming
              > up for
              > > Planet of the Apes.
              >
              > I was dead against a Cameron/Schwarzenegger version of Planet of the
              > Apes. The irony though is that I was against it because I thought they
              > would churn out the kind of crappy remake that Burton ended up making
              > anyway!
              >
              > Alan
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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              Group: pota Message: 26349 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
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                Thank you, Mr. Whitty for sharing that morsel with us underprivileged fans! - - - Jeff
               
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:41 PM
              Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure (In Progress)

              Thought some of you here might be interested...
               
              Michael

              Attached is an "in progress" photo of my 12 inch custom Julius figure. He is nearly finished. We are still trying to get the hair painted just right. Some professional pix are coming soon. I've made some extra figures to offset the costs it took to produce it. Anyone interested in taking this figure home can contact me directly at: snickertown@....

              THX for looking,

              Chris Hight



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              Burton has been down this road for a while. "Mars Attacks", "Sleepy
              Hollow". He thinks it cute to take a big budget and make a cheesy movie with
              it. His next movie, "Big Fish" might bring him back to classy "Ed Wood"
              territory and has a lot of folks from POTA2001: Zanuck, same D.P., editor,
              costume designer. It's redemption time. - - - Jeff


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "John Rutkoski" <johnnyx59@...>
              To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 6:02 PM
              Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591


              > we gotta watch what we wish for. i thought arnold playing taylor role was
              > bad idea also. i'm so pissed off with burton and the powers that be. he
              > must of had some higher ups dictating to him. i mean look at his other
              films
              > there pretty good characters and stories scissorhands, ed wood,
              > beetlejuice. (apes 2001 puke)
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > >From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
              > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
              > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
              > >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:11:15 +0100
              > >
              >
              >
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              Group: pota Message: 26351 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/8/2003
              Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure (In Progress)
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              I always share my 12”.

               

              -----Original Message-----
              From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
              Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 5:04 PM
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure (In Progress)

               

                Thank you, Mr. Whitty for sharing that morsel with us underprivileged fans! - - - Jeff

               

               

              ----- Original Message -----

              Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 3:41 PM

              Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure (In Progress)

               

              Thought some of you here might be interested...

               

              Michael


              Attached is an "in progress" photo of my 12 inch custom Julius figure. He is nearly finished. We are still trying to get the hair painted just right. Some professional pix are coming soon. I've made some extra figures to offset the costs it took to produce it. Anyone interested in taking this figure home can contact me directly at: snickertown@....

              THX for looking,

              Chris Hight



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              Group: pota Message: 26352 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/8/2003
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                his only redemption for me , would be him saying " i messed up on pota "






                >From: <veetus@...>
                >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:11:13 -0700
                >


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                Group: pota Message: 26353 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/8/2003
                Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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                  terrible statement what burton did with it better it was never made






                  >From: <veetus@...>
                  >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                  >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                  >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:00:30 -0700
                  >


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                  Group: pota Message: 26354 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/8/2003
                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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                  Burton didn't go so far as say he messed up, but he did badmouth Fox about
                  the scheduling. Zanuck has said for a sequel they need "a better story".
                  Rick Baker privately called it "a bad movie" at John Chambers' funeral. And
                  Zanuck's bad luck in getting a sequel going (despite the movie being
                  profitable and the sequelmania in Hollywood) shows Fox knows they screwed
                  up. Probably Burton will make excuses for it when "Big Fish" comes out at
                  the end of the year. - - - Jeff


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "John Rutkoski" <johnnyx59@...>
                  To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:52 PM
                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591


                  > his only redemption for me , would be him saying " i messed up on pota "
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > >From: <veetus@...>
                  > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                  > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                  > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                  > >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:11:13 -0700
                  > >
                  >
                  >
                  > _____
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                  Group: pota Message: 26355 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/9/2003
                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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                  .htmlIn a message dated 4/8/03 10:54:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnnyx59@... writes:


                  terrible statement  what burton did with it   better it was never made








                  That's what I often think about the sequels, especially BATTLE.  I think BENEATH is a mess, and ESCAPE and CONQUEST suffer from budgets that are too low.  What's your thoughts, Johnnyx59?

                  -- Rory
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                  Group: pota Message: 26356 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/9/2003
                  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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                  .htmlIn a message dated 4/8/03 11:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:


                  Rick Baker privately called it "a bad movie" at John Chambers' funeral.


                  I didn't know that.  Very interesting.  I think one of the reasons we haven't heard anything about another APES movie is because Fox knows it has to start from scratch again.

                  -- Rory
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                  Group: pota Message: 26357 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
                  Subject: Teaser
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                    Just thought you might be interested in latest on the comic being put together by Neil (artist) and Dave (writer).

                     

                    Exclusive free distribution to members of the Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club.  To join the fan club, just send me your name and mailing address (any country).

                     

                    Michael Whitty

                    Founder

                    Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club

                    25 Hilder Street

                    WESTON  ACT  2611

                    AUSTRALIA

                    EMAIL: whitty@...

                     

                     

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                    Group: pota Message: 26358 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
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                    Ooops!

                     

                    In my haste to get this out, I neglected to mention:

                     

                    (1)     The cover is only a rough pencil sketch;

                    (2)     The title may change;

                    (3)     While the project is well underway, I don’t have a firm completion date yet!

                     

                    Remember, only members of the Fan Club will get this one!

                     

                    Michael

                     

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
                    Sent:
                    Thursday, 10 April 2003 7:56 AM
                    To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'; 'Pota@yahoogroups.com'; 'potafanfic@yahoogroups.com'; 'apeman@...'; 'friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com'; 'HTHRLYN@...'; 'tsuchi@...-net.ne.jp'
                    Subject: Teaser

                     

                    Just thought you might be interested in latest on the comic being put together by Neil (artist) and Dave (writer).

                     

                    Exclusive free distribution to members of the Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club.  To join the fan club, just send me your name and mailing address (any country).

                     

                    Michael Whitty

                    Founder

                    Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club

                    25 Hilder Street

                    WESTON  ACT  2611

                    AUSTRALIA

                    EMAIL: whitty@...

                     

                     

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                    Group: pota Message: 26359 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/9/2003
                    Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Teaser
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                    Hey, I am totally impressed, awed, etc.  I cannot wait to get my hands on this comic!  Pencil sketch or not it looks absolutely fantastic!  BIG CHEERS to Neil and Dave!

                    Kassidy

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                    Group: pota Message: 26360 From: Whitty, Michael Date: 4/9/2003
                    Subject: Julius Figure Final Version Photo
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                      Thanks again Chris.
                       
                      This really is a great item.
                       
                      Michael
                       
                      PS: John Roche, aren't you covering Action Figures in an upcoming edition?  Will you cover customs too?

                       
                       -----Original Message-----
                      From: Chris Hight [snickertown@...]
                      Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:34 AM
                      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [PotaDG] Julius Figure Final Version Photo

                      This is the final version of the Julius figure.
                       
                      I've made a couple extra. The price is $80 +$5 shipping (outside the U.S. the price is $14 for shipping . I apologize for the lofty price, but these figures cost a fortune to make!!! I take Credit Cards through PayPal the account name is Snickertown@.... If you don't like PayPal you can mail a check or Money Order to the address below.

                      My email address is: snickertown@...

                      Thx for your time,

                      Chris Hight
                      506 Felton Ave.
                      Collingdale, PA 19023  
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                      Group: pota Message: 26361 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: Teaser
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                      I agree Kass.

                      You will be pleased to know that the next venture is planned to be
                      another of Dave's stories....but set in the TV Series era!

                      Dave writes great stories and Neil is by far the most talented
                      illustrator of apes I have seen. I wonder why Neil can draw apes
                      while almost NONE of the other comic book artists even look VAGUELY
                      like POTA Characters?

                      Michael

                      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hey, I am totally impressed, awed, etc. I cannot wait to get my
                      hands on this comic! Pencil sketch or not it looks absolutely
                      fantastic! BIG CHEERS to Neil and Dave!
                      > Kassidy
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
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                      Group: pota Message: 26362 From: Chris Hight Date: 4/9/2003
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
                      .html

                      Hi Michael and the POTADG,

                      Let me thank you and the group for being so kind to allow me to show my figures here. You have all been very encouraging.   

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                      Group: pota Message: 26363 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/9/2003
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
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                        POTADG? Blasphemy! Get him out of her! Begone, Satan! - - - pota@yahoogroups.com
                       
                       
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:34 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo

                      Hi Michael and the POTADG,

                      Let me thank you and the group for being so kind to allow me to show my figures here. You have all been very encouraging.   

                      Chris Hight



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                      Group: pota Message: 26364 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/9/2003
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
                      .html
                      That's not what you said last night sweetie!

                      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
                      > POTADG? Blasphemy! Get him out of her! Begone, Satan! - - -
                      pota@yahoogroups.com
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Chris Hight
                      > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:34 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version
                      Photo
                      >
                      >
                      > Hi Michael and the POTADG,
                      >
                      > Let me thank you and the group for being so kind to allow me to
                      show my figures here. You have all been very encouraging.
                      >
                      > Chris Hight
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --------------------------------------------------------------------
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                      Group: pota Message: 26365 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/10/2003
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo
                      .html
                      That's supposed to be "Get him out of herE". No wonder we're of such ill
                      repute! - - - Jeff


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
                      To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:44 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version Photo


                      > That's not what you said last night sweetie!
                      >
                      > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
                      > > POTADG? Blasphemy! Get him out of her! Begone, Satan! - - -
                      > pota@yahoogroups.com
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: Chris Hight
                      > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:34 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Julius Figure Final Version
                      > Photo
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Hi Michael and the POTADG,
                      > >
                      > > Let me thank you and the group for being so kind to allow me to
                      > show my figures here. You have all been very encouraging.
                      > >
                      > > Chris Hight
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
                      > ----------
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                      Group: pota Message: 26366 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/10/2003
                      Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                      .html
                      Attachments :
                        hey do you know if cameron had much of the story finished or just a idea






                        >From: <veetus@...>
                        >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                        >Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:20:53 -0800
                        >


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                        Group: pota Message: 26367 From: John Rutkoski Date: 4/10/2003
                        Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                        .html
                        i wish pota 2001 can be erased and start over it may take time. waiting all
                        these years and then that junk . ya know i never even thought of a new pota
                        all those years before 2001 they played with my emotions. bloody bastards.






                        >From: Haristas@...
                        >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                        >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                        >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:26:36 EDT
                        >
                        >In a message dated 4/8/03 11:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
                        >veetus@... writes:
                        >
                        >
                        > > Rick Baker privately called it "a bad movie" at John Chambers' funeral.
                        >
                        >I didn't know that. Very interesting. I think one of the reasons we
                        >haven't
                        >heard anything about another APES movie is because Fox knows it has to
                        >start
                        >from scratch again.
                        >
                        >-- Rory


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                        Group: pota Message: 26368 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/10/2003
                        Subject: Another Teaser
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                          There sure is a lot of good stuff coming up!

                          Michael

                          Now here's a sneak-peak for you.  Yeah we are still waiting for Greg to finish the URSUS resin kit bust, but check out our latest addition to the line (still on the sculpting block but soon to be completed)

                          Brian

                          Michael Whitty wrote:

                          Just thought you might be interested in latest on the comic being put together by Neil (artist) and Dave (writer).

                          Exclusive free distribution to members of the Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club.To join the fan club, just send me your name and mailing address (any country).

                          Michael Whitty

                          Founder

                          Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club

                          25 Hilder Street

                          WESTONACT2611

                          AUSTRALIA

                          EMAIL: whitty@...

                          Part 1.2

                          Type: 

                          Macintosh File

                           


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                          Group: pota Message: 26369 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/10/2003
                          Subject: SWEDEN BANS EXPERIMENTS ON GREAT APES
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                          .htmlSWEDEN BANS EXPERIMENTS ON GREAT APES

                          Sweden's Board of Agriculture together with Sweden's National Board for Laboratory Animals recently decided on new regulations for using animals in research. One of the most important changes is that great apes and nine species of Gibbon apes will be exempt from use in experiments from june this year. Only non-invasive behavioural studies of these animals will be allowed in the future.

                          "No great apes or Gibbon apes are currently used in experiments in Sweden, but the ban is still a matter of great ideological importance," says Per-Anders Svd, Campaign Manager at Animal Rights Sweden, the country's largest animal rights organization. "The decision marks an important shift in official policy, since it implicitly recognizes the individual moral worth of primates. Hopefully, the ban can be seen as a first step towards extending moral and legal rights to millions of other animals suffering in experiments."

                          Animal rights organizations all over the world have been campaigning to end primate experiments for several years. The Swedish ban will undoubtely generate hope and enthusiasm within the international community of activists struggling to end primate experimentation in their respective countries.

                          "By raising public awareness through persistent campaigns, activists have been able to push back long-standing prejudice surrounding the moral standing of primates. There are no excuses for using primates in experiments, and this is finally beginning to sink in - even at the level of policy-making," concludes Per-Anders Svd.

                          For more information, please contact:

                          Per-Anders Svd
                          Animal Experimentation Campaign Manager
                          Fbundet djurens rt / Animal Rights Sweden
                          Box 2005
                          125 02 vsj
                          SWEDEN
                          Phone: +46 8 555 914 03
                          Fax: +46 555 914 50
                          Mobile: +46 733 32 39 44
                          E-mail: per-anders.svard@...
                          Website: www.djurensratt.org

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                          Group: pota Message: 26370 From: libraryape Date: 4/11/2003
                          Subject: Re: SWEDEN BANS EXPERIMENTS ON GREAT APES
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                          Well,it is about time. Thanks for sharing this Haristas.

                          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
                          > SWEDEN BANS EXPERIMENTS ON GREAT APES
                          >
                          > Sweden's Board of Agriculture together with Sweden's National Board
                          for
                          > Laboratory Animals recently decided on new regulations for using
                          animals in
                          > research. One of the most important changes is that great apes and
                          nine
                          > species of Gibbon apes will be exempt from use in experiments from
                          june this
                          > year. Only non-invasive behavioural studies of these animals will
                          be allowed
                          > in the future.
                          >
                          > "No great apes or Gibbon apes are currently used in experiments in
                          Sweden,
                          > but the ban is still a matter of great ideological importance,"
                          says
                          > Per-Anders Svd, Campaign Manager at Animal Rights Sweden, the
                          country's
                          > largest animal rights organization. "The decision marks an
                          important shift in
                          > official policy, since it implicitly recognizes the individual
                          moral worth of
                          > primates. Hopefully, the ban can be seen as a first step towards
                          extending
                          > moral and legal rights to millions of other animals suffering in
                          > experiments."
                          >
                          > Animal rights organizations all over the world have been
                          campaigning to end
                          > primate experiments for several years. The Swedish ban will
                          undoubtely
                          > generate hope and enthusiasm within the international community of
                          activists
                          > struggling to end primate experimentation in their respective
                          countries.
                          >
                          > "By raising public awareness through persistent campaigns,
                          activists have
                          > been able to push back long-standing prejudice surrounding the
                          moral standing
                          > of primates. There are no excuses for using primates in
                          experiments, and this
                          > is finally beginning to sink in - even at the level of policy-
                          making,"
                          > concludes Per-Anders Svd.
                          >
                          > For more information, please contact:
                          >
                          > Per-Anders Svd
                          > Animal Experimentation Campaign Manager
                          > Fbundet djurens rt / Animal Rights Sweden
                          > Box 2005
                          > 125 02 vsj
                          > SWEDEN
                          > Phone: +46 8 555 914 03
                          > Fax: +46 555 914 50
                          > Mobile: +46 733 32 39 44
                          > E-mail: per-anders.svard@d...
                          > Website: www.djurensratt.org
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                          Group: pota Message: 26371 From: Alexander Ruiz Date: 4/12/2003
                          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
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                          Just by the big boxoffice numbers on opening weekend, it clearly showed that
                          there was a huge interest in Planet of the Apes even after so many years and
                          even though Burton was directing it. Too bad Fox had their head up their
                          butts and continue to have it there today.

                          It was a great chance to revive a legend.
                          But, there's no point in dwelling in the past.

                          Al


                          >From: <veetus@...>
                          >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                          >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                          >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                          >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:09:19 -0700
                          >
                          > Burton didn't go so far as say he messed up, but he did badmouth Fox
                          >about
                          >the scheduling. Zanuck has said for a sequel they need "a better story".
                          >Rick Baker privately called it "a bad movie" at John Chambers' funeral. And
                          >Zanuck's bad luck in getting a sequel going (despite the movie being
                          >profitable and the sequelmania in Hollywood) shows Fox knows they screwed
                          >up. Probably Burton will make excuses for it when "Big Fish" comes out at
                          >the end of the year. - - - Jeff
                          >
                          >
                          >----- Original Message -----
                          >From: "John Rutkoski" <johnnyx59@...>
                          >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                          >Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:52 PM
                          >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                          >
                          >
                          > > his only redemption for me , would be him saying " i messed up on pota
                          >"
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > >From: <veetus@...>
                          > > >Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                          > > >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                          > > >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1591
                          > > >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:11:13 -0700
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > >
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                          Group: pota Message: 26372 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/13/2003
                          Subject: testing
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                          Having my baby
                          What a wonderful way of showing how much you love me
                          Having my baby
                          What a lovely way of showing that you're thinking of me
                           
                          I can feel it, feel it growing
                          And I can see it in your eyes that you're happy in knowing
                          That you're having my baby! 
                                                          - - - Cornelius to Zira
                           
                           
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                          Group: pota Message: 26373 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/13/2003
                          Subject: "Starcon '96", Pt. 5
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                            Back in February, for the 35th anniversary, I posted this convention panel. For the previous posts, go to the archives for: Pt. 1 - 2/8/03; Pt. 2 - 2/8/03; Pt. 3 - 2/10/03; Pt. 4 - 2/11/03. Now let's see if we can conclude this turkey.
                            The participants are: Bill Blake, stage Cornelius; Booth Colman, TV Zauis; Buck Kartalian, Julius; Bobby Porter, young Cornelius from "Battle"; Austin Stoker, MacDonald # 2; and your moderator, author Eric Greene. It took place on June 29, 1996.
                           
                                                 WRITING THE FIRST FILM
                           
                            AUDIENCE: Was there an attempt to follow the book "Monkey Planet", and was Pierre Boulle involved at all?
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: No, Pierre Boulle was not involved. Pierre Boulle, in the early stages, tried to be involved. When Rod Serling was working on the screenplay, Pierre Boulle would be in contact with Arthur Jacobs and gave him his ideas about Serling's script. Boulle was not very happy with the way the film was developing vis-a-vis the writing stages. Rod Serling was the first writer to work on the script of POTA and, of course, he was best known for "The Twilight Zone". But he'd had a very distinguished career before that writing for live television drama. He'd wrote "Requiem for a Heavyweight" and "Patterns" and a number of very respected live television dramas in the '50's and '60's, and had a great reputation as a science-fiction author as well. And he was the first one to try to adapt Boulle's book, and tried to stay fairly close to what Boulle had done. He made some changes. But the script really didn't gel as a piece of cinema.
                           
                            AUDIENCE: It didn't translate.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: Yeah. It didn't translate trying to go very literally the way Boulle had written it. And even so, Boulle was not happy with the way Serling's screenplay was turning out; he at one point had sent about 20 or so pages of a rough draft for Arthur Jacobs to read of his own version of a script for POTA. And it read much more like a novel. I mean long expositions about the technology that was being used, and the kind of things that you'd get into in a book and you really can't have in a film. And then he objected particularly strongly to the Statue of Liberty scene, which is probably the most famous and loved scene in all the series, and is one of the best known scenes from all of '60's film. He wrote a letter to Arthur Jacobs after he read the script and he said he was dissatisfied with it and didn't like the ending, and went on to write more in the letter, and then he came BACK to the Statue of Libertyand said: "The more I think of it, the more I am convinced that it is a TEMPTATION FROM THE DEVIL!". Exclamation point, underlined; he was very, very adamant. And he said it was a temptation from the Devil that would annoy and confuse the common man. And he was very strongly opposed to including that scene. And then, of course, the scene was included.
                            And what was happening was, when they were trying to stay close to Boulle's idea of the apes having a modern technological civilization, the budget estimate was about $ 10 million dollars. At that point Warner Bros. was supposed to do the picture, and Blake Edwards was supposed to direct. And they were just not willing to spend that much money. So what they did was rather intelligent. They decided to go with the look of the film they wound up using, which was a primitive look, and it looked more like the apes were living in kinda like stone dwellings. And that cut the budget in half, because you didn't have to deal with building sets that looked like a modern city, but down to the scale of apes. So that cut the budget in half and then they were willing to do the film over at Fox.
                            And by that time Michael Wilson had taken over the writing of the film. And Michael Wilson had written the screenplay for "Bridge On the River Kwai", which was another Pierre Boulle book. But at the time he was blacklisted, because he was an unfriendly witness to the McCarthy hearings and he couldn't work openly in Hollywood. So ("Bridge") was actually creditted to Pierre Boulle, who got the Oscar for the screenplay. And the big joke was, everyone knew that Pierre Boulle couldn't speak English. And there was no way he was going to write an Oscar-winning screenplay in English. Michael Wilson took over the ("Apes") script, and what was on the screen was really Michael Wilson's work, even though Rod Serling gets equal credit. And a lot of the themes of Wilson's earlier work, like "Bridge On the River Kwai", "A Place in the Sun" and "Lawrence of Arabia" really had made him the perfect person for the project. He was very progressive, which is one of the reasons why he got in trouble during the McCarthy era. His films dealt with class, dealt with ethnic conflict, dealt with gender conflict, dealt with political issues in a very intelligent way. And he was really the perfect choice for the film and did a really excellent script. And by that time they had veered very much away from Boulle's ideas. And Boulle wasn't very involved at that point. Boulle later wrote a script for a sequel called "Planet of the Men", in which Taylor's son, Taylor and Nova have a child, and their son leads a revolt of the humans that goes back and takes over the apes, and destroys the apes. And the idea was, whereas in POTA the tables had been turned, in POTM they would turn them back the other way. And Arthur Jacobs rejected the script saying it wasn't cinematic, but, oddly enough, a lot of the ideas that were in POTM wound up in the other films in the series in different ways. So it had more cinematic quality than Arthur Jacobs probably had originally thought. But that really was the extent of Boulle's involvement. He really grew disinterested after that.
                           
                          BOBBY PORTER: I have a question for you, Eric. Just a thought. Pierre Boulle was French, right?
                           
                          ERIC GREENE: Right.
                           
                          BOBBY PORTER: The Statue of Liberty was given to us by...who?
                           
                          ERIC GREENE: By the French.
                           
                          BOBBY PORTER: And he probably was pissed off that it was all broken up, right?
                           
                          ERIC GREENE: Ahh, that could be...
                           
                          BOBBY PORTER: That's what it was! I think we solved that problem.
                           
                          ERIC GREENE: I don't think he was pissed off at the idea, I think he was pissed off 'cause we didn't take care of it properly.
                           
                          BOBBY PORTER: Ahhh, see? We figured it out.
                           
                          ERIC GREENE: See, with digital technology, though, you could now do a version of "Planet of the Apes" and go back and make it all around a country. Taylor could be a Frenchman and it turns out the planet of the apes, he's in France and instead of the Statue of Liberty you could see the Eiffel Tower on the beach...(Or) have him see the Sphinx. All kinds of stuff. There's a world of possibilities.
                           
                          BOBBY PORTER: I've got a little quick comment to make. I have actually never been to one of these (conventions) before. This is really overwhelming for me. And the only reason why I'm here is because there's a child actor that I'd worked with many years ago, 16 years ago. And we did a little film called "Tut and Tuttle". If anybody in this room remembers that film, you can leave now, OK? A little TV film, it wasn't bad. But it was directed by a young man who was actually younger than me. At 28 years old I thought that was absolutely outrageous that somebody younger than 28 could actually direct a movie. And I said, "What does this guy know? How could he possibly direct a movie?" And this young man's name was...ah, well, hang on, I'll get it. He directed this thing about astronauts. "Apollo 13" or something like that. Ronny Howard, 25 years old he was. And he only had 20 years of experience in the business. And that's where Eric and I met. And 16 years later, Eric calls me up and says, "My god, you're still alive!" And that's why I'm here. A child actor whose done well for himself. Because I've doubled probably 500 child actors in my career and I can name on one hand the number who've actually made something of themselves. And he's one of them. And I'd like to give you guys a chance to give him a round of applause. (he acknowledges Eric, to applause)
                           
                                         TO BE CONTINUED!  - - - Jeff
                           
                           
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                                                   NO APE CHICKS
                           
                            AUDIENCE: Where are the female gorillas and orangutans in any of the scripts?
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: I ask that in my book.
                           
                            AUDIENCE: What happened? Were they even planned?
                           
                            BOBBY PORTER: Why do you think they were so pissed off?
                           
                            AUDIENCE: No, it's just funny. You see all these chimp females, but you don't see one single female gorilla or orangutan.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: It's a good question. I really don't have a good answer for it.
                           
                            BUCK KARTALIAN: We were gay.
                           
                            BOBBY PORTER: Speak for yourself.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: Boulle's book was called "La Planete de Singes", which means "Planet of the Gay Apes", actually. Mistranslated all these years.
                           
                            BOBBY PORTER: You notice the chimps were always the more happy group. The gorillas were always going to war. A thing that happens.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: That made Zira a very tired ape. I'm not really sure there's a reason for it, to tell you the truth. And you look at the films and the TV series and it's a very notable aspect. As a matter of fact, I've heard of other fans who are wondering: where are the women amongst the orangutans and gorillas? I don't know if it was an exclusive choice; "OK, we're not going to have any women". They had Kim Hunter as Zira, who is an excellent character. I mean, if you're looking for "female role models", she was about as good as you can get. She was intelligent and courageous and she had good values and she was strong. And there was Lisa, who was in "Conquest" and "Battle". But aside from those, there really weren't any female apes. The only explanation that I can come to is that really it was the power struggles in society that were being played out in thses "Apes" movies and, for whatever reason, consciously or not, the producers and the writers pictured these as power struggles that were the domain of men. And that it really wasn't where women were involved. And I don't think that they explicitly went out to be sexist or to eliminate women, I just think it was the way they thought about these kinds of issues, and the debates and all. And it might be, you know, I'd have to look back, I don't know how many women, for instance, were in Congress at the time, or had a large public role. It might just have been a case of the politics in American society were dominated by the men and these people were writing about American society. So that's what happened on the POTA as well. I wish Mort Abrahams (a guest who had to leave early) were here because he could speak to that better than I could. I don't know if anyone here has any ideas about that?
                           
                            BILL BLAKE: What I saw in it, Eric...in fact this was partly addressed in Boulle's book, too. The chimpanzees were becoming more the original thinkers and more progressive than the other two ape groups. And I think that along with that would come the equality of the female chimpanzees.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: OK, so the chimps were just more advanced...
                           
                            BILL BLAKE: Yeah.
                           
                            BOBBY PORTER (a former chimp): Of course we were.
                           
                            BILL BLAKE: They had talked even in the book, I believe, about orangutans being copiers. They copied everything that they had learned from the past and the chimpanzees were now branching off and that's why they feared the chimps so much, because of all those original, progressive thoughts.
                           
                                        THE END OF "BATTLE"
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: Right. Now I'm curious. Bobby and Austin, if you know anything about this, let me know...Paul Dehn, who was the writer for "Beneath", "Escape" and "Conquest", had originally written a story paper for "Battle for the POTA" that was very different in tone. It was much darker, it was much more violent. And they didn't use that. And I have a few ideas about why. I was wondering if you know anything about the development of the script or how the decisions were made. And why they didn't go with Paul Dehn's script, but went with Joyce Corrington and William Corrington's instead.
                           
                            AUSTIN STOKER: No, I don't know anything about that. In fact, you mentioned that to me before, I think the last time when I first met you. I didn't know there was a prior script. Just the one I worked with.
                           
                            BOBBY PORTER: No, I didn't have any knowledge of that either.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: Did you have a sense? When "Conquest" was filmed, the writer (Paul Dehn) and the director, J. Lee Thompson, set out to allegorize the Watts riots. It was a film that was explicitly and politically based on the Watts riots. And in many ways it was a very radical film, in which the hero was the leader of a slave revolt. And when the studio saw the print they were very, very nervous about it. They thought they had a very controversial picture on their hands. As a matter of fact, there was a screening in Phoenix, a preview screening before it came out. And parents apparently pulled their kids out of the theatre and said that it was too violent, and were very upset about it. And the studio made J. Lee Thompson edit the film, take out some of the violence, tone down the ending so it wasn't as radical a message and to soften it a bit. And his impression was that at that point Fox just wanted a kids' picture. They wanted something that at least stayed in tone with the earlier films, that wasn't as dark and heavy. And I don't know if you had that sense from Fox too, working on the picture, or maybe this was something that Thompson got more directly, that they wanted to lighten the tone a bit, make it something that was more accessible for families and all. Was that something that had been applied to you?
                           
                            BOBBY PORTER: Well, I think the philosophy at Fox at the time was to appeal more toward the family, because I had done a film prior to that called "Ace Eli and Rodger of the Skies", which had a very dark ending. It was a very dramatic film about a man who finds himself suddenly a single parent in the '30's, and the only thing he can do well is fly. And at the end of the movie, Eric Shea, the little boy in the film, who ended up doing "The Poseidon Adventure" and a number of Disney films, for whom I doubled, was left an orphan because his father goes up and commits suicide. And that was 1971, it was a film that was directed by a very successful man and written by an 18 year old kid named Steven...(tries to think of his name) Spielberg. And they changed the ending to that film, so maybe there was a push with Fox at the time to soften the films. They'd come out with "The French Connection", which was a very violent film, and I think they had come under some fire to appeal more to the audiences, because Disney was doing so well and they wanted to be a bit more like them. So that might have had some influence.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: I think part of it - now that I think of it, I mentioned this in my book - is that it came out in 1973, that's when "Battle" was released. We had been involved in the war in Vietnam for almost a decade and there was a lot of internal conflict in the country, not only about Vietnam but also about the civil rights movement and a lot of domestic political issues. And the sense that I got in talking with J. Lee Thompson and from watching the film is that they wanted to take it into the direction where you could finally have the possibility of some kind of reconciliation, that there was a kind of happy ending, if not some kind of sweet ending that everyone could enjoy and feel good about. At least there was the possibility that there could be reconciliation and peace one day. And Dehn's original script didn't allow for that at all. And by the end of "Battle", the Lawgiver says, you know, "I look at apes and humans living in friendship and peace". And there's the sense that maybe everyone will be able to get it together. And I think there was a trend; I don't know how large a trend but there were a number of movies at the time that dealt somehow with forgiveness of past wrongs and people trying to come together and make their peace with each other. And my hunch on that is that it was an attempt, after all these years of violence in these films, in which the alienation between the characters was so large and seemed like it couldn't be resolved, that it was an attempt to at least find some way of having the suggestion that there could be a happy ending for the country. I'm not sure if I'm right about that but that's my take. (holds up his book like the huckster he is)It's all very detailed in the book!
                           
                               RODDY MCDOWELL AND THE APETEUR THEORY
                           
                            AUDIENCE: I think it was the third movie, "Escape"...Roddy McDowall took over as producer, I think it was, or director.
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: No, he didn't.
                           
                            AUDIENCE: OK. Anyway, he was in all the films, right?
                           
                            BILL BLAKE: No. He was in four.
                           
                            AUDIENCE: I was just wondering; did he have any creative input on the direction or the script in these movies?
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: I don't know. But I interviewed the associate producer, Frank Capra, Jr., of the last three films and the writer of the fifth, Joyce Corrington, and J. Lee Thompson, director of the fourth and fifth film. And none of them mentioned Roddy McDowall as having a hand in the direction of the series. I didn't get that sense. He very well might of had some input on it, but if that's the case I didn't come across any suggestion of it.
                           
                            AUDIENCE: So he never did anything more than the acting?
                           
                            ERIC GREENE: Yeah.
                           
                            BILL BLAKE: I know personally in conversations with Roddythat he took great joy in doing the character because it's so different from characters he's normally done. Any actor likes pushing the limits, going across all the boards, so to speak, playing everything. It's kind of a discovery process and he discovered a great deal in doing this non-human character. It was completely groundbreaking for him.
                           
                              NEXT: THE SENSES - SHATTERING CONCLUSION! - - - Jeff
                           
                           
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                          Group: pota Message: 26375 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/13/2003
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                          So, does anybody know if Paul Dehn's version of "Battle of the POTA" exists somewhere?

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                            It's in the Arthur Jacobs archives. Eric Greene synopsizes it in his book. - - - Jeff
                           
                           
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                          So, does anybody know if Paul Dehn's version of "Battle of the POTA" exists somewhere?

                          Kassidy



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                            Here's the Dehn synopsis, as described by Greene:
                           
                             "In Dehn's story outline of "The Battle for the POTA", thirteen years have passed since the ape revolt. Caesar rules as an emperor, and the apes have reversed the power relations of "Conquest" and enslaved the humans. MacDonald serves as Caesar's personal servant and fears that the apes will exterminate the humans when they are no longer useful. He asks the ape ruling council, made up of 3 chimpanzees, 3 gorillas and 2 orangutans, to allow human representation. A chimpanzee council member Pan supports the idea, but he is overruled.
                            90% of humanity is under ape domination. The apes control the territory to their south, but there are still human rebels in the north. One of the human rebel leaders, Nimrod, is a former U.S. Army general. His real name is General mendez, and he is the ancestor of the mutant leader Mendez in "Beneath" [ I don't know if it says this in the outline or if this is just Greene's interpretation]. Nimrod sends a representative to the apes' capital with an ultimatum: set the humans free or Nimrod will destroy the apes' city with a nuclear bomb. The messenger is killed, and Caesar assembles the apes in shelters, allowing a limited number of humans with useful skills into the shelters. Nimrod's airplane pilots drop the bomb and level the city.
                            Eventually, the survivors emerge from their shelters and begin to rebuild the apes' city. Nimrod and his followers, scarred and mutated by the nuclear radiation, later shell the rebuilt city. The apes counterattack, fighting on horseback against humans in restored automobiles, and they force the humans to retreat. Nimrod fires a projectile, which falls just short of the ape army. The humans explain that the projectile will soon explode and emit nerve gas that induces sterility in those who inhale it - Dehn described it as a "genocide bomb". Fearing the destruction of their reproductivity, the apes retreat, designating the land that will be affected by the bomb the "Forbidden Zone". it is then revealed that the projectile was empty, a bluff to frighten off the apes. The story ends with human children releasing a baby chimpanzee, who had earlier been taken captive, declaring that the young ape can do nothing with the humans but "pine and die" and that "he belongs with his own kind". (Dehn's otline was dated July 5, '72).
                           
                           Did you see the "Behind the pOTA" documentary, Kass? - - - Jeff
                           
                           
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                            It's in the Arthur Jacobs archives. Eric Greene synopsizes it in his book. - - - Jeff
                           
                           
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                          So, does anybody know if Paul Dehn's version of "Battle of the POTA" exists somewhere?

                          Kassidy



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                          Group: pota Message: 26378 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/13/2003
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                           Did you see the "Behind the pOTA" documentary, Kass? - - - Jeff
                           
                          Yep, sure did, once late at night.  Now that you mention it, it could bear another viewing :)
                          Kass
                           
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                          Group: pota Message: 26379 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/14/2003
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                          http://www.dunlopbob.freeserve.co.uk/argolis.htm

                          I'm a new member of the group. Found what I hope is some interesting
                          info for my first post. I don't know if this has gone through the fan
                          circles yet, but here it is. I guess there are several companies out
                          there that do fan type audio plays, many having to do with Dr Who. I
                          don't know what kind of quality this company does, but I do know
                          there's some good stuff out there. While surfing there site I found
                          some info about a POTA audio they're doing (go to the audio section
                          of their site). I don't know anything about it other than what I
                          copied below. From the cast list it sounds like they are doing the tv
                          series. Sounds very cool. I hope there production values are high,
                          and they do this seriously. Be nice to see a whole series of these
                          audios.
                          Jay




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                          Group: pota Message: 26380 From: CheeseGOTAS@aol.com Date: 4/14/2003
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                          .htmlIn a message dated 4/14/03 9:28:35 AM Central Daylight Time, chewbie@... writes:

                          I'm a new member of the group. Found what I hope is some interesting
                          info for my first post. I don't know if this has gone through the fan
                          circles yet, but here it is. I guess there are several companies out
                          there that do fan type audio plays, many having to do with Dr Who. I
                          don't know what kind of quality this company does, but I do know
                          there's some good stuff out there. While surfing there site I found
                          some info about a POTA audio they're doing (go to the audio section
                          of their site). I don't know anything about it other than what I
                          copied below. From the cast list it sounds like they are doing the tv
                          series. Sounds very cool. I hope there production values are high,
                          and they do this seriously. Be nice to see a whole series of these
                          audios.
                          Jay



                          Hi, welcome to the group.  I've been gone from this group for awhile, so I'll just say hi to everyone else.  I've never heard of this group before, so thanks for posting it on the group.  I think I'll order this CD when it comes out, just out of curiousity.  The profits go to a good cause too.  Looks cool, thanks for the link, and have a nice time in this group!

                          http://www.dunlopbob.freeserve.co.uk/apes.htm

                          -Joe
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                          Group: pota Message: 26381 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/14/2003
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                          Hey, Joe!

                           

                          The guys doing the CD are the guys who do the Fanzine Simian Scrolls.

                           

                          Dave Ballard, the Author, is the same author who wrote the story for the Comic Book I plugged about a week ago.  He was also a member of this chat group for a while.

                           

                          Michael

                           

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                          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA audio

                           

                          In a message dated 4/14/03 9:28:35 AM Central Daylight Time, chewbie@... writes:


                          I'm a new member of the group. Found what I hope is some interesting
                          info for my first post. I don't know if this has gone through the fan
                          circles yet, but here it is. I guess there are several companies out
                          there that do fan type audio plays, many having to do with Dr Who. I
                          don't know what kind of quality this company does, but I do know
                          there's some good stuff out there. While surfing there site I found
                          some info about a POTA audio they're doing (go to the audio section
                          of their site). I don't know anything about it other than what I
                          copied below. From the cast list it sounds like they are doing the tv
                          series. Sounds very cool. I hope there production values are high,
                          and they do this seriously. Be nice to see a whole series of these
                          audios.
                          Jay




                          Hi, welcome to the group.  I've been gone from this group for awhile, so I'll just say hi to everyone else.  I've never heard of this group before, so thanks for posting it on the group.  I think I'll order this CD when it comes out, just out of curiousity.  The profits go to a good cause too.  Looks cool, thanks for the link, and have a nice time in this group!

                          http://www.dunlopbob.freeserve.co.uk/apes.htm

                          -Joe



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                          Group: pota Message: 26382 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/14/2003
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                          Welcome to the group, Jay. I know Dave Ballard, I think he belongs to this
                          group. He writes many new POTA stories and is good.- - - Jeff


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                          From: "chewbie2004" <chewbie@...>
                          To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 7:25 AM
                          Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA audio


                          > http://www.dunlopbob.freeserve.co.uk/argolis.htm
                          >
                          > I'm a new member of the group. Found what I hope is some interesting
                          > info for my first post. I don't know if this has gone through the fan
                          > circles yet, but here it is. I guess there are several companies out
                          > there that do fan type audio plays, many having to do with Dr Who. I
                          > don't know what kind of quality this company does, but I do know
                          > there's some good stuff out there. While surfing there site I found
                          > some info about a POTA audio they're doing (go to the audio section
                          > of their site). I don't know anything about it other than what I
                          > copied below. From the cast list it sounds like they are doing the tv
                          > series. Sounds very cool. I hope there production values are high,
                          > and they do this seriously. Be nice to see a whole series of these
                          > audios.
                          > Jay
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Apes: VALUES (2003)
                          >
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                          Group: pota Message: 26383 From: Dave B Date: 4/15/2003
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                          Hi All,

                          Just woke up to the news!

                          This 'press release' is premature to say the least - I can confirm
                          that the project is alive and well but a large number of issues have
                          yet to be resolved. It's still a long way from being ready.

                          Dav
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                          Well I'm sorry to hear that this project is still premature. I got
                          the impression with the cast list, description, and 2003 date that it
                          was in production and might be out soon. I'm kind of excited about it
                          though. I think audio would be a great way to bring back POTA, where
                          no television or movie would ever bring back any of the concepts from
                          the tv series. There's a company called Big Finish that is officially
                          licensed to do "Doctor Who" with the original casts. They are
                          fantastic. I'm sure this company won't have quite the same budget
                          though. You didn't say much Dave, so maybe you're not supposed to
                          talk about it yet, but can you tell us any more about the project? Is
                          the story going to be something that continues the tv series or
                          a "reimagining" ? What kind of quality is this company capable of
                          producing? I tried to play some kind of trailer from their site, but
                          it didn't work.
                          Jay
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                          Group: pota Message: 26385 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA audio
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                          Jay,
                          The story "Values" is an excellent fan fiction by Dave. It concerns an attempt
                          by Virdon and Burke to get back home and the repercussions involved for them
                          and for Galen. As the plot heats up, so does the action. The story contains
                          great character interaction and a satisfying amount of sci-fi to boot. I
                          really enjoyed it.

                          I blow the guys horn so he�ll keep writing stories in the tv fandom, but with
                          this and the comic he�s currently involved with I guess I can get in line :)
                          I am confident the cd will NOT disappoint!!!

                          The story is posted on my site if you want to read it at
                          www.planetoftheapestv.150m.com, under fan-fiction.
                          Kassidy


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                          Group: pota Message: 26386 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Roddy Drawing
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                          I do a little art work on the side, so I thought I'd share one I did
                          of our pal Roddy as we like him best. I just uploaded it to the file
                          section. Done with graphite pencils.
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                          Group: pota Message: 26387 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
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                          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "chewbie2004" <chewbie@a...> wrote:
                          > I do a little art work on the side, so I thought I'd share one I
                          did of our pal Roddy as we like him best. I just uploaded it to the
                          file section. Done with graphite pencils.

                          *** Welcome to the Yahoo POTA group, Chewbie, and let me be the first
                          to praise your Roddy/Galen illustration. Nice!
                          Now, let's see one of Urko--c'mon, I just KNOW you've done one of
                          him! It's always more fun to draw the gorillas--just look at the 29
                          covers of the Marvel POTA magazine: with few rare exceptions it's
                          gorillas... Gorillas... GORILLAS!!!

                          Patrick
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                          Group: pota Message: 26388 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
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                          I LOVE IT! Can I put it on my website, por favor? Do you have any
                          more? I 2nd Patrick, I'd love to see an Urko drawing. I am
                          extremely partial to the television series. Really a great job,
                          you're very talented. I don't know if Neil's still on this group,
                          too, but he also does some great POTA illustrations
                          Kassidy
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                          Group: pota Message: 26389 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Galen drawing
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                          By the way is your drawing supposed to be black and white? The paper
                          has a greenish tint, but I'm betting that's just in the photo of it.
                          Kassidy
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                          Group: pota Message: 26390 From: Neil Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
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                          Yeah, I'm still part of this group but don't visit very often (been a
                          bit busy on certain projects). Must say I echo Kassiy's comments
                          though, that's a really nice picture.

                          Neil

                          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@y...> wrote:
                          > I LOVE IT! Can I put it on my website, por favor? Do you have any
                          > more? I 2nd Patrick, I'd love to see an Urko drawing. I am
                          > extremely partial to the television series. Really a great job,
                          > you're very talented. I don't know if Neil's still on this group,
                          > too, but he also does some great POTA illustrations
                          > Kassidy
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                          Group: pota Message: 26391 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
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                          Thanks for the comments everyone. I did this about a year ago, and I
                          do actually have a pic of Urko on my table to do eventually, I just
                          have a couple other projects first, so it might be a while.
                          I'd be honored if you wanted to post my drawing on your excellent
                          site Kassidy. Anyone feel free to use it if they want, I don't mind.
                          The picture was green because of it was taken with a digital camera,
                          and that's the way the lighting made it look. We've since gotten our
                          scanner to work, so I redid the picture. It's a little bit sharper
                          and white now.
                          I'd also like to do a good one of Taylor from the 1st film if anyone
                          has a good close up photo (full head shot) they can scan. I'll have
                          to pull out my Apes mags to see if there are any in there.
                          Jay
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                          Group: pota Message: 26392 From: chewbie2004 Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Re: Roddy Drawing
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                          Oh, I also have to agree with you Kassidy, I love the tv series. I
                          know even the fans seem to be split on it's merits, but I think it's
                          great. Can't believe we were actually able to get it on DVD.
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                          Group: pota Message: 26393 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: tv site
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                          Re: my pota tv series site: I've apparently just had a 10,000th visitor (and over 21,000 hits total on the site pages) according to 150m.com and apparently blew out my transfer limit for the day.  Lots of folks been hitting the fan fiction page, believe it or not, which pleases me to no end!

                          Anyway, you can't see me but I'm throwing confetti :) 

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                          Group: pota Message: 26394 From: Kassidy Rae Date: 4/15/2003
                          Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Roddy Drawing
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                          chewbie2004 <chewbie@...> wrote:

                          Oh, I also have to agree with you Kassidy, I love the tv series.

                          ++See, I knew I liked this guy :)

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                          Group: pota Message: 26395 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/18/2003
                          Subject: Check out PLANET OF THE APES SWEEPSTAKES
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                          .htmlThis popped up while I was checking the Fox Movie Channel website.

                          Click here: PLANET OF THE APES SWEEPSTAKES
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                          Group: pota Message: 26396 From: Dean Date: 4/23/2003
                          Subject: Planet of the Apes
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                            Hello fellow ape lovers!
                             
                            You will not believe what I have come accross....I have the entire collection of 6 movie theatre vinyl banners that are over 4 feet by 6 feet each, and feature the stars from Tim Burton's remake of Planet of the Apes!!!
                             
                            They are in mint condition and include the faces of:
                            Thade (Tim Roth)
                            Leo Davidson (Mark Wahlberg)
                            Ari (Helena Bonham Carter)
                            Deanna (Estella Warren)
                            Limbo (Paul Giamatti)
                            Attar (Michael Clark Duncan)
                             
                            These are gorgeous, mint condition banners, large enough put together to probably cover the walls entire in one rec room or other.  I'm selling the group for only $100 US plus shipping and handling, so whom ever wants them, email me at peaceman@... before it's too late!  I'm thinking some lucky fan is gonna snatch these up fast.  Email me if you are interested.....SEE MY PICS BELOW...they don't do these banners justice!
                             
                            Rosanne
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
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                            Group: pota Message: 26397 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/24/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes
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                            Cougar
                             
                            Get in line buddy!
                             
                            Seriously though, this is a very good buy for POTA 2001 fans.
                             
                            Michael
                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: Dean [peaceman@...]
                            Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:58 AM
                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com; planetoftheapes2001remake@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes

                             
                            Hello fellow ape lovers!
                             
                            You will not believe what I have come accross....I have the entire collection of 6 movie theatre vinyl banners that are over 4 feet by 6 feet each, and feature the stars from Tim Burton's remake of Planet of the Apes!!!
                             
                            They are in mint condition and include the faces of:
                            Thade (Tim Roth)
                            Leo Davidson (Mark Wahlberg)
                            Ari (Helena Bonham Carter)
                            Deanna (Estella Warren)
                            Limbo (Paul Giamatti)
                            Attar (Michael Clark Duncan)
                             
                            These are gorgeous, mint condition banners, large enough put together to probably cover the walls entire in one rec room or other.  I'm selling the group for only $100 US plus shipping and handling, so whom ever wants them, email me at peaceman@... before it's too late!  I'm thinking some lucky fan is gonna snatch these up fast.  Email me if you are interested.....SEE MY PICS BELOW...they don't do these banners justice!
                             
                            Rosanne
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                            Group: pota Message: 26398 From: Dean Date: 4/24/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes
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                            Michael,
                             
                            Are you interested in the POTA banners? If security is an issue, I certainly can post them on ebay and give you the item number with buy it now.  Let me know.
                             
                            Rosanne
                             
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:13 AM
                            Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes

                            Cougar
                             
                            Get in line buddy!
                             
                            Seriously though, this is a very good buy for POTA 2001 fans.
                             
                            Michael
                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: Dean [peaceman@...]
                            Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:58 AM
                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com; planetoftheapes2001remake@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Planet of the Apes

                             
                            Hello fellow ape lovers!
                             
                            You will not believe what I have come accross....I have the entire collection of 6 movie theatre vinyl banners that are over 4 feet by 6 feet each, and feature the stars from Tim Burton's remake of Planet of the Apes!!!
                             
                            They are in mint condition and include the faces of:
                            Thade (Tim Roth)
                            Leo Davidson (Mark Wahlberg)
                            Ari (Helena Bonham Carter)
                            Deanna (Estella Warren)
                            Limbo (Paul Giamatti)
                            Attar (Michael Clark Duncan)
                             
                            These are gorgeous, mint condition banners, large enough put together to probably cover the walls entire in one rec room or other.  I'm selling the group for only $100 US plus shipping and handling, so whom ever wants them, email me at peaceman@... before it's too late!  I'm thinking some lucky fan is gonna snatch these up fast.  Email me if you are interested.....SEE MY PICS BELOW...they don't do these banners justice!
                             
                            Rosanne
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                            Group: pota Message: 26399 From: Dean Date: 4/24/2003
                            Subject: Banners on ebay
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                            Hello everyone!
                             
                            I have now posted my movie theater banners for the Tim Burton remake movie on ebay...the item number is #2171886179
                             
                            URL: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2171886179

                            Get these while you still can!
                             
                            Rosanne
                             
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                            Group: pota Message: 26400 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/25/2003
                            Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book
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                            Good idea.
                             
                            I'll see if I can dig up his address.
                             
                            Anyone know how to contact Russo?
                             
                            Michael

                             -----Original Message-----
                            From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
                            Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:48 PM
                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book

                            Just to add a little to that.... it is actually a good story of the
                            behind the scenes dialog and activities.  Because it is written as
                            individual accounts of each movie it is easy to read piecemeal as
                            you study the movies.  The pictures are wonderful!  To Russo's
                            credit, the whole book is very well done.  (The index makes it a
                            fairly handy reference tool.)  It's too bad he didn't receive more
                            feedback from the book.  One of my daughters particularly loves the
                            book, and she is the one who has become a very loyal Apes (and
                            Roddy) fan !  Maybe we should write him a note.


                            --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sand_hill_school"
                            <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
                            > Probably, kind of. 
                            >
                            >  
                            >
                            > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
                            wrote:
                            > > Have you read it yet Helen?
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                            Group: pota Message: 26401 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/25/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book
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                            .htmlIn a message dated 4/25/03 6:41:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                            Good idea.


                            I'll see if I can dig up his address.

                            Anyone know how to contact Russo?

                            Michael

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
                            Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:48 PM
                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book


                            Just to add a little to that.... it is actually a good story of the
                            behind the scenes dialog and activities.  Because it is written as
                            individual accounts of each movie it is easy to read piecemeal as
                            you study the movies.  The pictures are wonderful!  To Russo's
                            credit, the whole book is very well done.  (The index makes it a
                            fairly handy reference tool.)  It's too bad he didn't receive more
                            feedback from the book.  One of my daughters particularly loves the
                            book, and she is the one who has become a very loyal Apes (and
                            Roddy) fan !  Maybe we should write him a note.





                            Joe Russo can be reached thru www.joerusso.com

                            Click here: JOE RUSSO
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                            Group: pota Message: 26402 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/25/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book
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                            Thanks Rory
                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
                            Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 9:11 AM
                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] RE: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book

                            In a message dated 4/25/03 6:41:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:


                            Good idea.


                            I'll see if I can dig up his address.

                            Anyone know how to contact Russo?

                            Michael

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: sand_hill_school [sand_hill_school@...]
                            Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:48 PM
                            To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Russo's Book


                            Just to add a little to that.... it is actually a good story of the
                            behind the scenes dialog and activities.  Because it is written as
                            individual accounts of each movie it is easy to read piecemeal as
                            you study the movies.  The pictures are wonderful!  To Russo's
                            credit, the whole book is very well done.  (The index makes it a
                            fairly handy reference tool.)  It's too bad he didn't receive more
                            feedback from the book.  One of my daughters particularly loves the
                            book, and she is the one who has become a very loyal Apes (and
                            Roddy) fan !  Maybe we should write him a note.





                            Joe Russo can be reached thru www.joerusso.com

                            Click here: JOE RUSSO


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                            Group: pota Message: 26403 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/25/2003
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                            .htmlUNBELIEVABLE!!!   I guess I won't be going to this movie!

                            FILM SCORE FRIDAY 4/25/03

                            By Scott Bettencourt

                            In what is for this columnist the most depressing film music news in a long time, Jerry Goldsmith's score for Richard Donner's film of Michael Crichton's time travel adventure TIMELINE has been rejected, and the new score will be written by rising composer Brian Tyler. Tyler was reportedly hired on the basis of his recent score for The Hunted, which, like Timeline, is a Paramount release. The Hunted was directed by William Friedkin, the Oscar winning maker of the classics The French Connection and The Exorcist.

                            Tyler's hiring may have something to do with the fact that Friedkin is married to Paramount president Sherry Lansing. Many fans have been shocked by the score's rejection, especially since Goldsmith scored The Omen for Donner, and that film not only won Goldsmith his only Oscar but put Donner on the map as an A-list director. But let's not forget that Michael Kamen's score for Donner's Assassins was rejected, even after Kamen had scored three Lethal Weapon films for the director (Kamen later collaborated again with Donner on Lethal Weapon 4). Let us also not forget that the last time Donner directed a medieval adventure film, Ladyhawke, he ended up with a score that no one would mistake for the work of Korngold or Rozsa.

                            Film music fans are, not surprisingly, outraged. Louis Banalaki wrote in asking "Who the hell was the idiot who rejected Jerry Goldsmith's score to TIMELINE???????", while reader "Isaac I Bet" writes in with a link to a petition
                            where fans can request that Goldsmith's score be restored.

                            If you feel like venting your displeasure with Goldsmith's rejection, this is a good way to go about it. However, if you actually think you're going to influence the studio's decision, I think you're wasting your time. I don't mean to sound like one of those Message Board writers who acts like they know everything about how the movie business works, but my experience with the studios suggests that they really don't care about the opinions of fans (especially film music fans), and in one sense they're right -- if Goldsmith's score were truly wrong for the film, and Tyler's were better, then it shouldn't matter what Goldsmith's fans think. However, since Goldsmith is my favorite creator in any medium while Tyler is, at best, promising, I'm understandably skeptical on this point.



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                            Group: pota Message: 26404 From: Dave B Date: 4/26/2003
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                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
                            > UNBELIEVABLE!!! I guess I won't be going to this movie!
                            >

                            At least we know that these days the Goldsmith score will
                            probably eventually see release anyway.

                            I take it then you're a fan, Rory? What are your favourite scores?

                            Dave
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                            Group: pota Message: 26405 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/26/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
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                            .htmlIn a message dated 4/26/03 3:47:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 4print@... writes:


                            At least we know that these days the Goldsmith score will
                            probably eventually see release anyway.

                            I take it then you're a fan, Rory? What are your favourite scores?

                            Dave






                            PLANET OF THE APES, of course!   Then, THE WIND AND THE LION, THE SAND PEBBLES, PATTON, POLTERGEIST, THE OMEN, HOUR OF THE GUN, and just about everything else he's scored.

                            -- Rory
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                            Group: pota Message: 26406 From: Dave B Date: 4/26/2003
                            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
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                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

                            > PLANET OF THE APES, of course! Then, THE WIND AND THE
                            LION, THE SAND
                            > PEBBLES, PATTON, POLTERGEIST, THE OMEN, HOUR OF
                            THE GUN, and just about
                            > everything else he's scored.

                            Hmmmm, more 'vintage' Goldsmith than recent it would seem. I
                            think POTA is without doubt a classic score but it's not really one
                            you whistle on the way to work is it?

                            I prefer his more 'melodic' scores - 'Powder' and 'Lionheart' are
                            among my faves. (I enjoyed 'The Mummy' too) I saw him perform
                            live once in London which was pretty awesome. Latest
                            Goldsmith buy was 'Take a hard ride' awesome main title but the
                            rest of it didn't grab me on first hearing.

                            I have a spare copy of '100 rifles' if you want it.

                            Dave

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                            Group: pota Message: 26407 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 4/26/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
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                            .htmlIn a message dated 4/26/03 12:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 4print@... writes:


                            I prefer his more 'melodic' scores - 'Powder' and 'Lionheart' are
                            among my faves. (I enjoyed 'The Mummy' too) I saw him perform
                            live once in London  which was pretty awesome. Latest
                            Goldsmith buy was 'Take a hard ride' awesome main title but the
                            rest of it didn't grab me on first hearing.

                            I have a spare copy of '100 rifles' if you want it.

                            Dave



                            I have 100 RIFLES and POWDER and LIONHEART and THE MUMMY.  I also like RUDY and the last Goldsmith score I bought was THE SUM OF ALL FEARS.

                            -- Rory
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                            Group: pota Message: 26408 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/26/2003
                            Subject: live auction
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                              There's a "Ultimate Sci-Fi Auction" going on at www.ebayliveauctions.com for those who are interested. Don't know if there'll be POTA stuff or not. - - - Jeff
                             
                             
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                            Group: pota Message: 26409 From: Steve Date: 4/27/2003
                            Subject: Apes Comics & Records For Sale!!!!!
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                            Thought this might interest some of you these comics are 29 years old
                            and still sealed, amazing!!


                            http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
                            ViewItem&category=3981&item=2171230313&rd=1
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                            Group: pota Message: 26410 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/27/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes Comics & Records For Sale!!!!!
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                            What is this, an infomercial group? We need to get this group up and
                            running again. - - - Jeff


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Steve " <beakerbloke@...>
                            To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 2:18 AM
                            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Apes Comics & Records For Sale!!!!!


                            > Thought this might interest some of you these comics are 29 years old
                            > and still sealed, amazing!!
                            >
                            >
                            > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
                            > ViewItem&category=3981&item=2171230313&rd=1
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                            Group: pota Message: 26411 From: Michael Whitty Date: 4/27/2003
                            Subject: The group
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                            Yeah, only 950 posts this month.....time to hit the panic button!
                             
                            Seriously though folks, I am going to attempt to bring new news every Monday on various Ape projects (well, Monday here is Sunday nearly everywhere else...).
                             
                            One Monday I'll give you an update of the activities of the Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club.  I'm thinking maybe on the same day I'll call for updates on where Ape Chronicles and Simian Scrolls are at.....you OK with that Jeff and John?  Maybe also a web-site update too???  Mez, Kass???
                             
                            Then the next Monday will be about Collectibles....classic stuff, what's in the making (Apemania, Chris Hight's etc.
                             
                            The following Monday would be good to dedicate to Fanfic....maybe get a run down on what people are doing?
                             
                            Ideas on this anyone?
                             
                            Michael
                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
                            Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:59 AM
                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes Comics & Records For Sale!!!!!

                              What is this, an infomercial group? We need to get this group up and
                            running again. - - - Jeff
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                            Group: pota Message: 26412 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 4/27/2003
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!
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                            "Dave B" <4print@...> wrote:
                            > Hmmmm, more 'vintage' Goldsmith than recent it would seem. I
                            > think POTA is without doubt a classic score but it's not really one
                            > you whistle on the way to work is it?

                            Nope, that honour belongs to Escape from the PotA!

                            > I prefer his more 'melodic' scores - 'Powder' and 'Lionheart' are
                            > among my faves.

                            For combination of melody and innovative sounds, I'd have to pick
                            Logan's Run as my fave. Which reminds me, I must get round to getting
                            the FSM release of that one.

                            > (I enjoyed 'The Mummy' too) I saw him perform
                            > live once in London which was pretty awesome.

                            I saw him a few years back too, in Glasgow, and it really was
                            something else. The highlight for me was the suite of music from PotA,
                            but there were plenty of other highlights too - Patton was pretty
                            rousing stuff and it's tough to beat a live orchestra performing the
                            theme from the Waltons!

                            > Latest
                            > Goldsmith buy was 'Take a hard ride' awesome main title but the
                            > rest of it didn't grab me on first hearing.

                            Picked that one up myself recently, and I love it. One of his best
                            western scores in my opinion. Although...

                            > I have a spare copy of '100 rifles' if you want it.

                            ... I also love this one!

                            FSM have certainly done a lot of good releases of Goldsmith stuff, so
                            before I go I'll recommend one more - The Illustrated Film. Great
                            book, average film, wonderful music!

                            Alan
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                            Group: pota Message: 26413 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/27/2003
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                            I watched that USA thing, "Helen of Troy". The music was by Joel
                            Goldsmith- - - any relation? Reminded me of Peter Gabriel's "Last Temptation
                            of Christ" music, maybe a "lite" version. The movie was OK as wooden Tv
                            miniseries go. But seeing as how this is the oldest surviving story in
                            Western culture ("The Iliad"), it deserves more. Of course it will hit the
                            big screen as "Troy" next year, directed by Wolfgang Petersen and starring
                            Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom and Peter O'Toole. I'm sure they'll
                            stick Ben Affleck in there somewhere. - - - Jeff


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                            From: "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...>
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                            Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 3:22 PM
                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Goldsmith scores!


                            > "Dave B" <4print@...> wrote:
                            > > Hmmmm, more 'vintage' Goldsmith than recent it would seem. I
                            > > think POTA is without doubt a classic score but it's not really one
                            > > you whistle on the way to work is it?
                            >
                            > Nope, that honour belongs to Escape from the PotA!
                            >
                            > > I prefer his more 'melodic' scores - 'Powder' and 'Lionheart' are
                            > > among my faves.
                            >
                            > For combination of melody and innovative sounds, I'd have to pick
                            > Logan's Run as my fave. Which reminds me, I must get round to getting
                            > the FSM release of that one.
                            >
                            > > (I enjoyed 'The Mummy' too) I saw him perform
                            > > live once in London which was pretty awesome.
                            >
                            > I saw him a few years back too, in Glasgow, and it really was
                            > something else. The highlight for me was the suite of music from PotA,
                            > but there were plenty of other highlights too - Patton was pretty
                            > rousing stuff and it's tough to beat a live orchestra performing the
                            > theme from the Waltons!
                            >
                            > > Latest
                            > > Goldsmith buy was 'Take a hard ride' awesome main title but the
                            > > rest of it didn't grab me on first hearing.
                            >
                            > Picked that one up myself recently, and I love it. One of his best
                            > western scores in my opinion. Although...
                            >
                            > > I have a spare copy of '100 rifles' if you want it.
                            >
                            > ... I also love this one!
                            >
                            > FSM have certainly done a lot of good releases of Goldsmith stuff, so
                            > before I go I'll recommend one more - The Illustrated Film. Great
                            > book, average film, wonderful music!
                            >
                            > Alan
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
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                            Group: pota Message: 26414 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 4/27/2003
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                              I think we should bring back "Flame War Wednesday"; that always gets the group hopping. If it's on a specific day then those who don't want to participate can ignore it. All in favor? - - - Jeff
                             
                             
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                            Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 4:05 PM
                            Subject: [Planet of the Apes] The group

                            Yeah, only 950 posts this month.....time to hit the panic button!
                             
                            Seriously though folks, I am going to attempt to bring new news every Monday on various Ape projects (well, Monday here is Sunday nearly everywhere else...).
                             
                            One Monday I'll give you an update of the activities of the Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club.  I'm thinking maybe on the same day I'll call for updates on where Ape Chronicles and Simian Scrolls are at.....you OK with that Jeff and John?  Maybe also a web-site update too???  Mez, Kass???
                             
                            Then the next Monday will be about Collectibles....classic stuff, what's in the making (Apemania, Chris Hight's etc.
                             
                            The following Monday would be good to dedicate to Fanfic....maybe get a run down on what people are doing?
                             
                            Ideas on this anyone?
                             
                            Michael
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                            From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
                            Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:59 AM
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                            Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Apes Comics & Records For Sale!!!!!

                              What is this, an infomercial group? We need to get this group up and
                            running again. - - - Jeff
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