.htmlMay 27, 2003

EATING APES PEGGED AS PUBLISHER'S WEEKLY BREAKOUT BOOK

Eating Apes (University of California Press), the controversial and critically acclaimed book that examines the bushmeat crisis ravaging Africa's great apes, has been picked by Publisher's Weekly as a potential "breakout" book for Spring 2003.

In a May 19 piece in Publisher's Weekly, Eating Apes was one of six titles pegged as likely to spur both strong sales and stronger word-of-mouth. "Each year, a few titles from small, mid-sized and university presses generate enough buzz to compete against books from larger publishers," the story states. "Store buyers have been responding strongly to this emotional issue - and the book's disturbing photographs."

Eating Apes was written by Dale Peterson, who previously collaborated with Jane Goodall on books such as Visions of Caliban, Beyond Innocence, and Africa in My Blood. Bushmeat activist Karl Ammann supplied the book's photographs and an Afterword.

Both Peterson and Ammann will make lecture appearances in the United States, Canada and Europe over the next few months in support of the book.

Eating Apes traces the origins of the bushmeat crisis, from a sustainable form of hunting throughout Equatorial Africa to a full-blown crisis that has pushed chimpanzees, gorillas, and countless other species to the brink of extinction. The book reveals the deadly and often illegal association of hunters with international logging firms, and also lays bare the inability of the conservation community to counter the threat.

Eating Apes has already received positive reviews from The Economist and Publisher's Weekly, and Pulitzer Prize winner Edward O. Wilson said it "sweeps across the broad issues of conservation and animal welfare that are linked to human welfare and should be the concern of everyone everywhere." Adds Jane Goodall: "It took great courage to gather and present this information. You must read this book."

For more information, please contact the University of California Press at www.ucpress.edu or by phone at 1-510-642-4247.
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Thanks for sharing this with us. Because of the bushmeat issue I've
have been vegetarian for almost two years. The book will probably be
very graphic and heart breaking. In regard to the chimpanzee's alone
I've known a long time that the logging roads make it far easier for
the pochers to hunt chimapanzees, killing a group in one sweep. When
done they pile the bodies onto a truck and drive off. If any infants
survive the trauma the pochers usually smuggle them out of country in
box no bigger than a cat carrier,or even smaller. Usually the babies
don't survive when they at last arrive to any one who would buy them.
Mind you these apes are not sold entirely to labs. They end up either
in the entertainment industury or as pets. It is a crying shame.
Sob. Wendy--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

> May 27, 2003
>
> EATING APES PEGGED AS PUBLISHER'S WEEKLY BREAKOUT BOOK
>
> Eating Apes (University of California Press), the controversial and
> critically acclaimed book that examines the bushmeat crisis

ravaging Africa's great

> apes, has been picked by Publisher's Weekly as a

potential "breakout" book for

> Spring 2003.
>
> In a May 19 piece in Publisher's Weekly, Eating Apes was one of six

titles

> pegged as likely to spur both strong sales and stronger word-of-

mouth. "Each

> year, a few titles from small, mid-sized and university presses

generate enough

> buzz to compete against books from larger publishers," the story

states. "Store

> buyers have been responding strongly to this emotional issue - and

the book's

> disturbing photographs."
>
> Eating Apes was written by Dale Peterson, who previously

collaborated with

> Jane Goodall on books such as Visions of Caliban, Beyond Innocence,

and Africa

> in My Blood. Bushmeat activist Karl Ammann supplied the book's

photographs and

> an Afterword.
>
> Both Peterson and Ammann will make lecture appearances in the

United States,

> Canada and Europe over the next few months in support of the book.
>
> Eating Apes traces the origins of the bushmeat crisis, from a

sustainable

> form of hunting throughout Equatorial Africa to a full-blown crisis

that has

> pushed chimpanzees, gorillas, and countless other species to the

brink of

> extinction. The book reveals the deadly and often illegal

association of hunters with

> international logging firms, and also lays bare the inability of

the

> conservation community to counter the threat.
>
> Eating Apes has already received positive reviews from The

Economist and

> Publisher's Weekly, and Pulitzer Prize winner Edward O. Wilson said

it "sweeps

> across the broad issues of conservation and animal welfare that are

linked to

> human welfare and should be the concern of everyone everywhere."

Adds Jane

> Goodall: "It took great courage to gather and present this

information. You must

> read this book."
>
> For more information, please contact the University of California

Press at

> www.ucpress.edu or by phone at 1-510-642-4247.

I finally found all of the POTA2001 wave 2 figures...at KB Toys for $2 each.
The Pericles figure is very cool! I like him as much as most of the Medicoms.
Pericles and Limbo I've made honorary Medicoms. Limbo is friends with
Zaius. Pericles goes with Astronaut Cornelius and Astronaut Zira.

-Tom

Glad you found them. The Pericles idea is good (kinda Baby Milo in space).
But...Limbo?! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:16 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pericles figure


>
> I finally found all of the POTA2001 wave 2 figures...at KB Toys for $2
each.
> The Pericles figure is very cool! I like him as much as most of the
Medicoms.
> Pericles and Limbo I've made honorary Medicoms. Limbo is friends with
> Zaius. Pericles goes with Astronaut Cornelius and Astronaut Zira.
>
> -Tom
>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:37 PM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] transcription

Jeff,

How's Veetus Transcription Services faring???!!

Kass

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Limbo is the only figure who is 6 inches like the Medicoms. Plus Zaius is the
only Medicom orangutan. Limbo gives you a 2nd orangutan, and it's nice to
have an orangutan in street clothes. That's why I think Limbo fits into the
Medicom collection pretty well. The only thing is that Limbo looks more like a
real orangutan than Dr. Zaius.

-Tom

>
> Glad you found them. The Pericles idea is good (kinda Baby Milo in space).
> But...Limbo?! - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:16 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pericles figure
>
>
> >
> > I finally found all of the POTA2001 wave 2 figures...at KB Toys for $2
> each.
> > The Pericles figure is very cool! I like him as much as most of the
> Medicoms.
> > Pericles and Limbo I've made honorary Medicoms. Limbo is friends with
> > Zaius. Pericles goes with Astronaut Cornelius and Astronaut Zira.
> >
> > -Tom
> >

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I, of course, have seen the first 5 fives to many times to count,
although the 'alternate' Battle version has eluded me.

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Anyone no if the POTA2001 Kubricks are selling in the US?

For those of you who don't know happend to the "Get Me That Spaceman" line
in POTA2001, it was one of the casualities of Burton's last minute
failed attempt to make the ending more plausible. As I understand it shortly
before the movie was released they filmed (refilmed?) new scenes where Thade
keeps Leo's identiy a secret in order to keep the Pod a secret. I assume that
was the scene where Thade kills the 2 gorillas. It seems that FOX knew the
ending would be bad and tried to fix it but failed. Maybe if the had a
less aggressive schedule...

I was reading the Marvel adaptation of ESCAPE and noticed that Zira
gives the reason why Dodge was put in a museum. Marvel says that
their adaptations are "nearly verbatim" from the shooting scripts
so this must have been in the ESCAPE script. Zira said that the
apes put Dodge in the museum because they had never seen a black
man before.

It makes sense that all the black skinned humans had been absorbed by
interbreeding I guess. Nova's people look like a melting pot of
races and I bet that was intentional.

I don't even know what you are talking about?

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

>
>
>Anyone no if the POTA2001 Kubricks are selling in the US?
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

Any possibility of a sequal to that version. I would love to see what
happened after the end of the remake.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:08:45 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

>
>For those of you who don't know happend to the "Get Me That Spaceman" line
>in POTA2001, it was one of the casualities of Burton's last minute
>failed attempt to make the ending more plausible. As I understand it shortly
>before the movie was released they filmed (refilmed?) new scenes where Thade
>keeps Leo's identiy a secret in order to keep the Pod a secret. I assume that
>was the scene where Thade kills the 2 gorillas. It seems that FOX knew the
>ending would be bad and tried to fix it but failed. Maybe if the had a
>less aggressive schedule...
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

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.htmlIn a message dated 6/7/03 1:11:44 PM Central Daylight Time, melkor@... writes:

For those of you who don't know happend to the "Get Me That Spaceman" line
in POTA2001, it was one of the casualities of Burton's last minute
failed attempt to make the ending more plausible.  As I understand it shortly
before the movie was released they filmed (refilmed?) new scenes where Thade
keeps Leo's identiy a secret in order to keep the Pod a secret.  I assume that
was the scene where Thade kills the 2 gorillas.  It seems that FOX knew the
ending would be bad and tried to fix it but failed.  Maybe if the had a
less aggressive schedule...

Yeah, well, I always thought that it was a pretty... 'lame' line in the first place. 

-Joe ;)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Lazy Red Ace [wasitchu@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 5:09 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA2001 Kubricks

I don't even know what you are talking about?


On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

>
>
>Anyone no if the POTA2001 Kubricks are selling in the US

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My understanding is that the domestic Kubricks of the originals sold well,
so Diamond decided to try the POTA2001 versions. I've got a toy magazine
that showed them displayed at a Toy Fair or something, seeing if buyers were
interested. But they never appeared in stores, so I assume there weren't
enough orders for them to even bother. Stores got burned by the original
POTA2001 merchandise, so they probably just said "No thanks". POTA2001 is
considered uncool now, and this perception problem is probably also
hampering the sequel. The movie did make money, but people didn't like it.
If they do a sequel, no matter how good, are people going to show up for the
almighty opening weekend? I think so, but Fox might not be too sure. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 10:58 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] POTA2001 Kubricks


>
>
> Anyone no if the POTA2001 Kubricks are selling in the US?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I liked that line; I liked the trailer. I wish I could've seen the movie
that trailer promised instead of the one we were given. Forget the schedule,
that's just an excuse. A good script would've covered a multitude of sins.
Fox had scripts being written for a DECADE and this was the best they came
up with. Fox didn't get it and they lost out on what could've been their
"Spiderman" or "Harry Potter". "Garfield" isn't going to do it for them
("X-Men 2" is falling off as well). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman


>
> For those of you who don't know happend to the "Get Me That Spaceman" line
> in POTA2001, it was one of the casualities of Burton's last minute
> failed attempt to make the ending more plausible. As I understand it
shortly
> before the movie was released they filmed (refilmed?) new scenes where
Thade
> keeps Leo's identiy a secret in order to keep the Pod a secret. I assume
that
> was the scene where Thade kills the 2 gorillas. It seems that FOX knew
the
> ending would be bad and tried to fix it but failed. Maybe if the had a
> less aggressive schedule...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Last I heard, producer Richard Zanuck said Fox doesn't want to pursue a
sequel right away because they don't want to overuse the franchise and wear
out it's welcome. That doesn't make sense at a time when studios are
greenlighting sequels as fast as they can. Studio head Hutch Parker said the
movie is considered a disappointment even though it's one of Fox's most
profitable in the last 5 years. Right now their big thing is a sequel to
"Independence Day" and another "Alien" movie (reportedly Ridley Scott and
James Cameron are going to collaborate on one, that would be cool). In
short, it doesn't look good, but the upcoming remake of "King Kong" by the
"Lord of the Rings" director might jumpstart it. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman


> Any possibility of a sequal to that version. I would love to see what
> happened after the end of the remake.
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 13:08:45 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>
> >
> >For those of you who don't know happend to the "Get Me That Spaceman"
line
> >in POTA2001, it was one of the casualities of Burton's last minute
> >failed attempt to make the ending more plausible. As I understand it
shortly
> >before the movie was released they filmed (refilmed?) new scenes where
Thade
> >keeps Leo's identiy a secret in order to keep the Pod a secret. I assume
that
> >was the scene where Thade kills the 2 gorillas. It seems that FOX knew
the
> >ending would be bad and tried to fix it but failed. Maybe if the had a
> >less aggressive schedule...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: CheeseGOTAS@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman

In a message dated 6/7/03 1:11:44 PM Central Daylight Time, melkor@... writes:

For those of you who don't know happend to the "Get Me That Spaceman" line
in POTA2001, it was one of the casualities of Burton's last minute
failed attempt to make the ending more plausible.  As I understand it shortly
before the movie was released they filmed (refilmed?) new scenes where Thade
keeps Leo's identiy a secret in order to keep the Pod a secret.  I assume that
was the scene where Thade kills the 2 gorillas.  It seems that FOX knew the
ending would be bad and tried to fix it but failed.  Maybe if the had a
less aggressive schedule...

Yeah, well, I always thought that it was a pretty... 'lame' line in the first place. 

-Joe ;)


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.htmlIn a message dated 6/7/03 7:14:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

In
short, it doesn't look good, but the upcoming remake of "King Kong" by the
"Lord of the Rings" director might jumpstart it. - - - Jeff

Fox is waiting for the memory of APES2001 to fade far away.  I would begin to wonder if they'll make another APES in 2006 and after.

I think if KING KONG does well some at Fox will start asking "So what about our ape franchise?"

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 6/7/03 7:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  What the heck? The group rises from the dead! - - - Jeff

It wasn't dead, just in suspended animation.

-- Rory<.html

Wow, they sound interesting.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:25:55 +1000, you wrote:

>Kubricks are a Japanese made toy....something like the Star Wars Lego, with
>characters from POTA.
>
>They are made to look "cutesie" and are not proportionately correct, but I
>like them.
>
>They were released by Medicom at around the time of the Medicom Figures
>(these are scale Action Figures and are about the nicest looking POTA figure
>I have encountered).
>
>Medicome released a US version of some of the Medicoms and Kubricks, but I
>am not sure which ones made it to the local distribution.
>
>Here is a link to two POTA 2001 Kubricks on ebay...and the price is right.
>The same guy has been selling these for some time now.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3134119073&category=16469
>
>Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lazy Red Ace [wasitchu@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 5:09 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] POTA2001 Kubricks
>
>
> I don't even know what you are talking about?
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 12:58:06 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Anyone no if the POTA2001 Kubricks are selling in the US

That's a shame, they really left you hanging there with a great
opening for a sequal. Oh well. Thankyou for the update.

Rod

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:16:23 -0700, you wrote:

> Last I heard, producer Richard Zanuck said Fox doesn't want to pursue a
>sequel right away because they don't want to overuse the franchise and wear
>out it's welcome. That doesn't make sense at a time when studios are
>greenlighting sequels as fast as they can. Studio head Hutch Parker said the
>movie is considered a disappointment even though it's one of Fox's most
>profitable in the last 5 years. Right now their big thing is a sequel to
>"Independence Day" and another "Alien" movie (reportedly Ridley Scott and
>James Cameron are going to collaborate on one, that would be cool). In
>short, it doesn't look good, but the upcoming remake of "King Kong" by the
>"Lord of the Rings" director might jumpstart it. - - - Jeff
>
>

They might benefit more if they just started from scratch, and did
another remake of the original staying closer to the Pierre Boule book
this time, like they did with Frank Herbert's Dune on the Sci Fi
channel. I spelled Pierre Boule wrong didn't I.

Rod.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:03:35 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 6/7/03 7:14:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>veetus@... writes:
>
>
>> In
>> short, it doesn't look good, but the upcoming remake of "King Kong" by the
>> "Lord of the Rings" director might jumpstart it. - - - Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Fox is waiting for the memory of APES2001 to fade far away. I would begin to
>wonder if they'll make another APES in 2006 and after.
>
>I think if KING KONG does well some at Fox will start asking "So what about
>our ape franchise?"
>
>-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:04 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman

In a message dated 6/7/03 7:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  What the heck? The group rises from the dead! - - - Jeff

It wasn't dead, just in suspended animation.

-- Rory

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I just found the group, and it died, wow bummer.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:53:01 +1000, you wrote:

>Even if it was dead....who says someone can't rebulid a spaceship and start
>it all over again?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:04 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman
>
>
> In a message dated 6/7/03 7:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>veetus@... writes:
>
>
>
> What the heck? The group rises from the dead! - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
> It wasn't dead, just in suspended animation.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
> --

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 5:03 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman

In a message dated 6/7/03 7:14:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

In
short, it doesn't look good, but the upcoming remake of "King Kong" by the
"Lord of the Rings" director might jumpstart it. - - - Jeff

Fox is waiting for the memory of APES2001 to fade far away.  I would begin to wonder if they'll make another APES in 2006 and after.

I think if KING KONG does well some at Fox will start asking "So what about our ape franchise?"

-- Rory

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the .

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Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
learn. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman


> They might benefit more if they just started from scratch, and did
> another remake of the original staying closer to the Pierre Boule book
> this time, like they did with Frank Herbert's Dune on the Sci Fi
> channel. I spelled Pierre Boule wrong didn't I.
>
> Rod.
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:03:35 EDT, you wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 6/7/03 7:14:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> >> In
> >> short, it doesn't look good, but the upcoming remake of "King Kong" by
the
> >> "Lord of the Rings" director might jumpstart it. - - - Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Fox is waiting for the memory of APES2001 to fade far away. I would
begin to
> >wonder if they'll make another APES in 2006 and after.
> >
> >I think if KING KONG does well some at Fox will start asking "So what
about
> >our ape franchise?"
> >
> >-- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Check out the archives, this group used to be the heart and soul. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman


> I just found the group, and it died, wow bummer.
>
>
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:53:01 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Even if it was dead....who says someone can't rebulid a spaceship and
start
> >it all over again?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 10:04 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/7/03 7:16:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >veetus@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > What the heck? The group rises from the dead! - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It wasn't dead, just in suspended animation.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
> >
> > --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Now that sounds like a plan.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:32:10 -0700, you wrote:

> Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
>the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
>like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
>two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
>corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>learn. - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 5:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman
>
>
>> They might benefit more if they just started from scratch, and did
>> another remake of the original staying closer to the Pierre Boule book
>> this time, like they did with Frank Herbert's Dune on the Sci Fi
>> channel. I spelled Pierre Boule wrong didn't I.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 20:03:35 EDT, you wrote:
>>
>> >In a message dated 6/7/03 7:14:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> >veetus@... writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >> In
>> >> short, it doesn't look good, but the upcoming remake of "King Kong" by
>the
>> >> "Lord of the Rings" director might jumpstart it. - - - Jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Fox is waiting for the memory of APES2001 to fade far away. I would
>begin to
>> >wonder if they'll make another APES in 2006 and after.
>> >
>> >I think if KING KONG does well some at Fox will start asking "So what
>about
>> >our ape franchise?"
>> >
>> >-- Rory
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

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From: Sasha

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Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 12:21 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] POTA2001 Kubricks

>>>Anyone no if the POTA2001 Kubricks are selling in the US?

I ordered  2 cases of each series (I think there were 5 different sets) for our shop about a year and a half ago from Diamond Distributors and never got any, I don’t deal with Diamond anymore so I don’t know if they actually arrived in this country which is too bad they were a really killer item.

 

Sasha

www.neetstuff.com

 

 

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Maybe we as fans should do something. The fans got another season out
of Stargate SG1 recently, perhaps we could motivate them to do another
POTA.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 18:47:37 -0700, you wrote:

> Offhand, here's a quote I found from Richard Zanuck about "Apes 2": "The studio made a lot of money on the picture, but because the budget was so high, it's in no hurry to do another". Like I said, less apes, better scripts. - - - Jeff
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I'm in, lets do it.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>
>I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
>two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
>corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>spectacle and just find a story they can trust.
>
>
>
>++I think you should write to one of the big wigs over there at Fox (is there any who really love the franchise?) and tell them just that. Hell I'd sign off too, and lots of others, I think. I know it might not do much good but this is the real issue, don't you think. Quit falling for that mind-set where you have to have a spectacle and give us a damn good sci-fi story! Together with good acting and decent production would make the other mistakes forgivable.
>
>Kass
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They wouldn't need Thade. I don't like any of characters in the first movie
but they would need Leo if they stayed in the same continuity as the earlier
movie. Make Walberg's character in a sequel could be limited like Heston's
character in BENEATH.

>
> Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
> scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
> the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
> like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
> two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
> fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
> corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
> spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
> learn. - - - Jeff
>
>

That's right, Thade was a statue at the end of the first one.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:00:19 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

>
>They wouldn't need Thade. I don't like any of characters in the first movie
>but they would need Leo if they stayed in the same continuity as the earlier
>movie. Make Walberg's character in a sequel could be limited like Heston's
>character in BENEATH.
>
>
>>
>> Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>> scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
>> the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
>> like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
>> two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>> fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
>> corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>> spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>> learn. - - - Jeff
>>
>>
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What the heck? The group rises from the dead! - - - Jeff

Hey hey, I haven't stopped reading all the stuff you guys write, I just haven't replied to most of it... it's Summer now though!! 

-Joe ;)

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I was reading the Marvel adaptation of ESCAPE this week and found out why they
put Dodge in a museum in PLANET. Marvel said that their adaptations are
"nearly verbatim" from the shooting scripts so this was probably either cut or
not filmed. Zira said in the ESCAPE adaptation that Dodge was stuffed and put
in the museum because the apes had never seen a black man before.

It makes sense that the races would have disappeared after 2000 years of
interbreeding. Nova's tribe looked like a melting pot in PLANET and I bet
that was intentional.

.htmlIn a message dated 6/7/03 7:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time, wasitchu@... writes:

like they did with Frank Herbert's  Dune on the Sci Fi
channel. 

Too... long...

-Joe

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.htmlIn a message dated 6/7/03 8:01:34 PM Central Daylight Time, wasitchu@... writes:

I just found the group, and it died, wow bummer.

Oh, well, welcome to the group.  I'm Joe, the (I still think) youngest member at a wee 17 years of age.

-Joe

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>
> In a message dated 6/7/03 6:16:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> > What the heck? The group rises from the dead! - - - Jeff

Maybe the group was imitating Caesar imitating Jesus.

> Hey hey, I haven't stopped reading all the stuff you guys write, I just
> haven't replied to most of it... it's Summer now though!!
>
> -Joe ;)

Me neither. I just counted and there are 34 posts today. That must be
an all time record for this group. Er, make that 35...

>From: <veetus@...>
>Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
>the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
>like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
>two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
>corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>learn. - - - Jeff

I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't want
a sequel. I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
just terrible in a terribly written role. I think most people would be
just fine with him not returning. Personally, I'd rather abandon his
storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
there. I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put on
that film.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Handley [handleyr@...]
Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 2:18 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639

>From: <veetus@...>
>Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
>the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
>like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
>two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
>corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>learn. - - - Jeff

I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't want
a sequel.  I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
just terrible in a terribly written role.  I think most people would be
just fine with him not returning.  Personally, I'd rather abandon his
storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
there.  I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put on
that film.





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> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on Boulle's
> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get back to
> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
>
> Michael

The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
the new makeup could revive the franchise.

I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new makeup
I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.

>
> My understanding is that the domestic Kubricks of the originals sold well,
> so Diamond decided to try the POTA2001 versions. I've got a toy magazine

I have 50 of the Kubricks (including POTA dups and non POTA sets) and once
recreated the whole environment of PLANET and BENEATH in my living room. It
had Zira's cages, the Orangutan council (sometimes Milo in green suit or Urses
visited), Urses headquarters (gave Urses a pistol & holster from a SWAT set),
Cornelius, Zira, and Lucius house, gorilla camp and scouts in the forbidden
zone, mutant area with omega bomb, statue of liberty area with taylor and nova,
some wild humans in the forest, and a rescue ship with three astronauts. I
also had a little 20th century area with slave apes, riot police, and a spare
Icarus waiting to be launched. Sometimes the Star Wars bootlegs invaded
the POTA universe and Vader would get in a battle with Urses. Since the
Kubricks are so small the whole thing didn't take up that much space but it
sure looked cool.

.htmlIn a message dated 6/7/03 9:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  This isn't just any "King Kong" remake. It's being made by the guy who did "Lord of the Rings"; you know: God. It's going to be hyped to the heavens. Plus Marky Mark's new movie is doing well. I predict a new "Apes" will be announced in 2004, if not sooner. - - - Jeff

No way, man!   It'll take two years to make this new KONG movie, if it really does get made, and Fox won't want to go ape again unless they smell a lot of possible green coming from the big ape.

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The characters in the burton flick were so underwritten that they are
basically blank slates. Leo could be made interesting. Thade seemed to be a
popular character. He might be a draw. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melkor" <melkor@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Sequel


>
> They wouldn't need Thade. I don't like any of characters in the first
movie
> but they would need Leo if they stayed in the same continuity as the
earlier
> movie. Make Walberg's character in a sequel could be limited like
Heston's
> character in BENEATH.
>
>
> >
> > Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
> > scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution
to
> > the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might
look
> > like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back
those
> > two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
> > fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them
into a
> > corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
> > spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
> > learn. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Not even close to a record for this group. In it's heyday, there were 35
messages during a bathroom break. - - - Jeff

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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman


> >
> > In a message dated 6/7/03 6:16:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > veetus@... writes:
> >
> > > What the heck? The group rises from the dead! - - - Jeff
>
> Maybe the group was imitating Caesar imitating Jesus.
>
> > Hey hey, I haven't stopped reading all the stuff you guys write, I just
> > haven't replied to most of it... it's Summer now though!!
> >
> > -Joe ;)
>
> Me neither. I just counted and there are 34 posts today. That must be
> an all time record for this group. Er, make that 35...
>
>
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That's the kind of challenge a real writer would love. Tim Roth said
Burton talked to him about a sequel before the movie opened and stunk up the
joint. Sounds like Thade is who Burton would want to do a sequel about. I
had an idea where Marky is only in the opening shot, the police arrest him
and they walk him by a character who would be the focus of the film. But I
don't think Marky would go for that. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639


>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
> >scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution
to
> >the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might
look
> >like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back
those
> >two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
> >fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into
a
> >corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
> >spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
> >learn. - - - Jeff
>
> I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't
want
> a sequel. I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
> just terrible in a terribly written role. I think most people would be
> just fine with him not returning. Personally, I'd rather abandon his
> storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
> there. I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
> they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put on
> that film.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:25 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639

I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on Boulle's Novel...yes please.  Or even something taking up after Battle....get back to almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).

 

Michael

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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>From: <veetus@...>
>Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
>the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
>like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
>two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
>corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>learn. - - - Jeff

I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't want
a sequel.  I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
just terrible in a terribly written role.  I think most people would be
just fine with him not returning.  Personally, I'd rather abandon his
storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
there.  I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put on
that film.





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Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 10:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman

In a message dated 6/7/03 9:22:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  This isn't just any "King Kong" remake. It's being made by the guy who did "Lord of the Rings"; you know: God. It's going to be hyped to the heavens. Plus Marky Mark's new movie is doing well. I predict a new "Apes" will be announced in 2004, if not sooner. - - - Jeff

No way, man!   It'll take two years to make this new KONG movie, if it really does get made, and Fox won't want to go ape again unless they smell a lot of possible green coming from the big ape.

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"King Kong" is supposed to come out December '04.

They'll never make that deadline.

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>
> That's the kind of challenge a real writer would love. Tim Roth said
> Burton talked to him about a sequel before the movie opened and stunk up the
> joint. Sounds like Thade is who Burton would want to do a sequel about. I
> had an idea where Marky is only in the opening shot, the police arrest him
> and they walk him by a character who would be the focus of the film. But I
> don't think Marky would go for that. - - - Jeff
>

Walberg wouldn't have to be in a new film.

They could kill Leo in the opening of the next film. Then do a story
where apes have 21st century tech.

They could set the next film 5 years later with Leo dead.

They could ditch POTA2001 continuity altogether.

They could do a prequel to 2001. This could be either a "Roman"
story or a story about the Oberon.

They could do a story that takes place on Earth before Leo gets back
and fully explain the POTA2001 ending.

I would gladly go for that. I think though, that if they wait to long,
Mark Walberg will be way to old to do a sequal.

Red

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:36:09 -0700, you wrote:

> I don't know. The book is too much like the original movie, plus the Burton flick stole the ending. And I'm sure the studio is worried if they don't pick up where the last one ending the audience will feel ripped off (or more than they already feel). I think that's where they were heading with the sequel anyway, a Boulle feel with apes in modern clothes, etc. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:25 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639
>
>
> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on Boulle's Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get back to almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich Handley [handleyr@...]
> Sent: Sunday, 8 June 2003 2:18 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639
>
>
>
> >From: <veetus@...>
> >Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
> >scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
> >the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
> >like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
> >two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
> >fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
> >corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
> >spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
> >learn. - - - Jeff
>
> I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't want
> a sequel. I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
> just terrible in a terribly written role. I think most people would be
> just fine with him not returning. Personally, I'd rather abandon his
> storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
> there. I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
> they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put on
> that film.
>
>
>
>
>
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I cannot see a sequal that picks up where the last left off involving
Thade, unless they somehow go back in time again. But, I have to tell
you there was a feel to this 2001 version that just missed the mark,
from early in the movie. If they plan to do one that uses the same
type of feel to it, it will in my humble opinion, well not do so well.
Where as, if they go in a different direction, and using a different
feel to the film, they may succeed where this one failed. Granted,
fans are expecting some sort of resolution to the cliffhanger they
left us with.

Rod

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:31:32 -0700, you wrote:

> That's the kind of challenge a real writer would love. Tim Roth said
>Burton talked to him about a sequel before the movie opened and stunk up the
>joint. Sounds like Thade is who Burton would want to do a sequel about. I
>had an idea where Marky is only in the opening shot, the police arrest him
>and they walk him by a character who would be the focus of the film. But I
>don't think Marky would go for that. - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639
>
>
>>
>> >From: <veetus@...>
>> >Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>> >scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution
>to
>> >the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might
>look
>> >like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back
>those
>> >two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>> >fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into
>a
>> >corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>> >spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>> >learn. - - - Jeff
>>
>> I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't
>want
>> a sequel. I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
>> just terrible in a terribly written role. I think most people would be
>> just fine with him not returning. Personally, I'd rather abandon his
>> storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
>> there. I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
>> they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put on
>> that film.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
might work. I know I would pay to see it.

Rod.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

>>
>> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on Boulle's
>> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get back to
>> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
>> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
>>
>> Michael
>
>The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
>the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
>the new makeup could revive the franchise.
>
>I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new makeup
>I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
>totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

How about a movie that takes place with new characters just before the
the time that Charlton Heston and crew landed. Or perhaps a movie or
series of movies that takes place on the Planet of the Apes, a bit
after Battle, but before Charton Heston lands, leading up to the
landing of Landon and crew. Sort of what they are doing with
Enterprise in the Star Trek Franchise.

Rod.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:18:23 -0400, you wrote:

>
>>From: <veetus@...>
>>Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>>scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a resolution to
>>the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might look
>>like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back those
>>two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable science
>>fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them into a
>>corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>>spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>>learn. - - - Jeff
>
>I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't want
>a sequel. I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
>just terrible in a terribly written role. I think most people would be
>just fine with him not returning. Personally, I'd rather abandon his
>storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
>there. I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
>they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put on
>that film.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

Thankyou, I am Rod, prolly the oldest member at 45 almost 46 years of
age. I actually saw the original when it originally aired in the
theater in Soledad California.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:29:01 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 6/7/03 8:01:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
>wasitchu@... writes:
>
>> I just found the group, and it died, wow bummer.
>
>Oh, well, welcome to the group. I'm Joe, the (I still think) youngest member
>at a wee 17 years of age.
>
>-Joe

Oh man, I loved it. every minute of it. I bought the dvd's just to
watch it again and again.

Rod.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:24:56 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 6/7/03 7:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
>wasitchu@... writes:
>
>> like they did with Frank Herbert's Dune on the Sci Fi
>> channel.
>
>Too... long...
>
>-Joe

They all sound like great ideas. Lets send some of them to Fox.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:21:33 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:

>>
>> That's the kind of challenge a real writer would love. Tim Roth said
>> Burton talked to him about a sequel before the movie opened and stunk up the
>> joint. Sounds like Thade is who Burton would want to do a sequel about. I
>> had an idea where Marky is only in the opening shot, the police arrest him
>> and they walk him by a character who would be the focus of the film. But I
>> don't think Marky would go for that. - - - Jeff
>>
>
>Walberg wouldn't have to be in a new film.
>
>They could kill Leo in the opening of the next film. Then do a story
>where apes have 21st century tech.
>
>They could set the next film 5 years later with Leo dead.
>
>They could ditch POTA2001 continuity altogether.
>
>They could do a prequel to 2001. This could be either a "Roman"
>story or a story about the Oberon.
>
>They could do a story that takes place on Earth before Leo gets back
>and fully explain the POTA2001 ending.
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

I just think Burton was wrong for it. He has a jokey, nostalgic, "aren't
cheesy movies fun?" style that is fine for haunted house parodies but not
for science fiction. Science fiction is a leap already, so it needs to be
believable and interesting to involve the audience. Burton is a fan of the
originals, but he seems to like them for different reasons than most
people. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639


> I cannot see a sequal that picks up where the last left off involving
> Thade, unless they somehow go back in time again. But, I have to tell
> you there was a feel to this 2001 version that just missed the mark,
> from early in the movie. If they plan to do one that uses the same
> type of feel to it, it will in my humble opinion, well not do so well.
> Where as, if they go in a different direction, and using a different
> feel to the film, they may succeed where this one failed. Granted,
> fans are expecting some sort of resolution to the cliffhanger they
> left us with.
>
> Rod
>
>
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:31:32 -0700, you wrote:
>
> > That's the kind of challenge a real writer would love. Tim Roth said
> >Burton talked to him about a sequel before the movie opened and stunk up
the
> >joint. Sounds like Thade is who Burton would want to do a sequel about. I
> >had an idea where Marky is only in the opening shot, the police arrest
him
> >and they walk him by a character who would be the focus of the film. But
I
> >don't think Marky would go for that. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...>
> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:18 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >From: <veetus@...>
> >> >Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
> >> >scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a
resolution
> >to
> >> >the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might
> >look
> >> >like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back
> >those
> >> >two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable
science
> >> >fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them
into
> >a
> >> >corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
> >> >spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
> >> >learn. - - - Jeff
> >>
> >> I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't
> >want
> >> a sequel. I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
> >> just terrible in a terribly written role. I think most people would be
> >> just fine with him not returning. Personally, I'd rather abandon his
> >> storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
> >> there. I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
> >> they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put
on
> >> that film.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might as
well be dead. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes


> Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
> will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
> movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
> might work. I know I would pay to see it.
>
> Rod.
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
Boulle's
> >> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get
back to
> >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
> >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
> >the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
> >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
> >
> >I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new makeup
> >I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
> >totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, welcome to the new folks. You breathed some life into this
group. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman


> Thankyou, I am Rod, prolly the oldest member at 45 almost 46 years of
> age. I actually saw the original when it originally aired in the
> theater in Soledad California.
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:29:01 EDT, you wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 6/7/03 8:01:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >wasitchu@... writes:
> >
> >> I just found the group, and it died, wow bummer.
> >
> >Oh, well, welcome to the group. I'm Joe, the (I still think) youngest
member
> >at a wee 17 years of age.
> >
> >-Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Did you see "Children of Dune"? Did you know "Apes" producer Arthur Jacobs
was the first person to take a crack at a film version of "Dune"? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman


> Oh man, I loved it. every minute of it. I bought the dvd's just to
> watch it again and again.
>
> Rod.
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:24:56 EDT, you wrote:
>
> >In a message dated 6/7/03 7:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >wasitchu@... writes:
> >
> >> like they did with Frank Herbert's Dune on the Sci Fi
> >> channel.
> >
> >Too... long...
> >
> >-Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I would have to agree. His Nightmare before Christmas was right for
him, but POTA is definatly not his venue.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:54:02 -0700, you wrote:

> I just think Burton was wrong for it. He has a jokey, nostalgic, "aren't
>cheesy movies fun?" style that is fine for haunted house parodies but not
>for science fiction. Science fiction is a leap already, so it needs to be
>believable and interesting to involve the audience. Burton is a fan of the
>originals, but he seems to like them for different reasons than most
>people. - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:35 AM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639
>
>
>> I cannot see a sequal that picks up where the last left off involving
>> Thade, unless they somehow go back in time again. But, I have to tell
>> you there was a feel to this 2001 version that just missed the mark,
>> from early in the movie. If they plan to do one that uses the same
>> type of feel to it, it will in my humble opinion, well not do so well.
>> Where as, if they go in a different direction, and using a different
>> feel to the film, they may succeed where this one failed. Granted,
>> fans are expecting some sort of resolution to the cliffhanger they
>> left us with.
>>
>> Rod
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 00:31:32 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> > That's the kind of challenge a real writer would love. Tim Roth said
>> >Burton talked to him about a sequel before the movie opened and stunk up
>the
>> >joint. Sounds like Thade is who Burton would want to do a sequel about. I
>> >had an idea where Marky is only in the opening shot, the police arrest
>him
>> >and they walk him by a character who would be the focus of the film. But
>I
>> >don't think Marky would go for that. - - - Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Rich Handley" <handleyr@...>
>> >To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>> >Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 9:18 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 1639
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >From: <veetus@...>
>> >> >Well, that's a pickle. They might be better off if they start from
>> >> >scratch, but will audiences be pissed off if they don't get a
>resolution
>> >to
>> >> >the previous movie? If they don't bring back Marky and Thade it might
>> >look
>> >> >like a quick cash in. I'd say, pick up where they left off, bring back
>> >those
>> >> >two (no Burton), and, like, hire a writer that can do believable
>science
>> >> >fiction. Get an interesting, hungry director and don't schedule them
>into
>> >a
>> >> >corner. Move away from the idea that there has to be big battles and
>> >> >spectacle and just find a story they can trust. But they'll never
>> >> >learn. - - - Jeff
>> >>
>> >> I dunno... I'm one of the people who liked POTA 2001, and even I don't
>> >want
>> >> a sequel. I thought, as I believe most people did, that Marky Mark was
>> >> just terrible in a terribly written role. I think most people would be
>> >> just fine with him not returning. Personally, I'd rather abandon his
>> >> storyline and pick up back at the monkey planet, showing what happened
>> >> there. I just don't care WHAT happened to Leo, and I can't imagine how
>> >> they could possibly do a believable sequel based on the ending they put
>on
>> >> that film.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

Maybe the die hard fans Jeff, but if it is done right, advertised
right, I can see it working nicely.

Rod.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:57:30 -0700, you wrote:

> There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
>suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
>Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might as
>well be dead. - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
>> Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
>> will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
>> movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
>> might work. I know I would pay to see it.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
>Boulle's
>> >> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get
>back to
>> >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
>> >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
>> >>
>> >> Michael
>> >
>> >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
>> >the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
>> >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
>> >
>> >I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new makeup
>> >I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
>> >totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

Well thankyou. I just hope you can tolerate me, I tend to be very
opinonated and rigid in my thinking at times. Though never
inflamatory. Oh, and I can't spell worth beans. :-)

Rod.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:59:37 -0700, you wrote:

> Yes, welcome to the new folks. You breathed some life into this
>group. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman
>
>
>> Thankyou, I am Rod, prolly the oldest member at 45 almost 46 years of
>> age. I actually saw the original when it originally aired in the
>> theater in Soledad California.
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:29:01 EDT, you wrote:
>>
>> >In a message dated 6/7/03 8:01:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> >wasitchu@... writes:
>> >
>> >> I just found the group, and it died, wow bummer.
>> >
>> >Oh, well, welcome to the group. I'm Joe, the (I still think) youngest
>member
>> >at a wee 17 years of age.
>> >
>> >-Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

I did Jeff and I bought both dvd sets. Children of Dune was just
recently released. I have to admit I saw it on tv, not the dvd yet.
But, I will get to it shortly. Paid $20 for it, so I know I will watch
it again and again. :-) I was unaware that Jacobs was ever involved
with dune in any way. But, I could see him doing it nicely.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:01:00 -0700, you wrote:

> Did you see "Children of Dune"? Did you know "Apes" producer Arthur Jacobs
>was the first person to take a crack at a film version of "Dune"? - - - Jeff
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
>To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman
>
>
>> Oh man, I loved it. every minute of it. I bought the dvd's just to
>> watch it again and again.
>>
>> Rod.
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:24:56 EDT, you wrote:
>>
>> >In a message dated 6/7/03 7:42:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> >wasitchu@... writes:
>> >
>> >> like they did with Frank Herbert's Dune on the Sci Fi
>> >> channel.
>> >
>> >Too... long...
>> >
>> >-Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>

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Thankyou, I am Rod, prolly the oldest member at 45 almost 46 years of
age. I actually saw the original when it originally aired in the
theater in Soledad California.

I'm nearly as old as you, Rod.  Prolly 44.  I first saw PLANET in early APEril 1968, though I don't recall films "airing" in theatres.  I recall some of those theatres in the old days needed airing out though.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Lazy Red Ace [wasitchu@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:45 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Get Me That Spaceman

Thankyou, I am Rod, prolly the oldest member at 45 almost 46 years of
age. I actually saw the original when it originally aired in the
theater in Soledad California.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:29:01 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 6/7/03 8:01:34 PM Central Daylight Time,
>wasitchu@... writes:
>
>> I just found the group, and it died, wow bummer.
>
>Oh, well, welcome to the group.  I'm Joe, the (I still think) youngest member
>at a wee 17 years of age.
>
>-Joe




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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes

  There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might as
well be dead. - - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes


> Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
> will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
> movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
> might work. I know I would pay to see it.
>
> Rod.
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
Boulle's
> >> Novel...yes please.  Or even something taking up after Battle....get
back to
> >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
> >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
> >the female chimp freaks.  I think a well written story combined with
> >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
> >
> >I had mixed feelings about the new apes.  Although I liked the new makeup
> >I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
> >totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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I hear that. I am glad there are those close to my own age here.

Rod.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:14:16 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 6/8/03 1:46:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>wasitchu@... writes:
>
>
>> Thankyou, I am Rod, prolly the oldest member at 45 almost 46 years of
>> age. I actually saw the original when it originally aired in the
>> theater in Soledad California.
>>
>>
>
>I'm nearly as old as you, Rod. Prolly 44. I first saw PLANET in early
>APEril 1968, though I don't recall films "airing" in theatres. I recall some of
>those theatres in the old days needed airing out though.
>
>-- Rory

I would like to play devils advocate here, and go against my earlier
point of view. I fthey go back to classic, many fans who are now left
hanging may not buy into the franchise feeling cheated by the fact
that the 2001 POTA cliffhanger was never resolved.

Rod.

On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:24 +1000, you wrote:

>But some of the earlier scripts went here didn't they?
>
>I would have thought if the POTA 2001 effort was considered a failure, they
>might consider dropping it and going back to classic.
>
>Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
> suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
> Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might
>as
> well be dead. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> > Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
> > will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
> > movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
> > might work. I know I would pay to see it.
> >
> > Rod.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
> Boulle's
> > >> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get
> back to
> > >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
> > >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
> > >>
> > >> Michael
> > >
> > >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
> > >the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
> > >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
> > >
> > >I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new
>makeup
> > >I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
> > >totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lazy Red Ace [wasitchu@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 9:37 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes

I would like to play devils advocate here, and go against my earlier
point of view. I fthey go back to classic, many fans who are now left
hanging may not buy into the franchise feeling cheated by the fact
that the 2001 POTA cliffhanger was never resolved.

Rod.


On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:24 +1000, you wrote:

>But some of the earlier scripts went here didn't they?
>
>I would have thought if the POTA 2001 effort was considered a failure, they
>might consider dropping it and going back to classic.
>
>Michael
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
>  Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
>  To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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>    There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
>  suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
>  Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might
>as
>  well be dead. - - - Jeff
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>  > Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
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>  > movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
>  > might work. I know I would pay to see it.
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>  > Rod.
>  >
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>  > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>  >
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>  > >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
>  Boulle's
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>  back to
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>  > >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
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>  > >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
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>  > >I had mixed feelings about the new apes.  Although I liked the new
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Well now, I have to say, I am limited to local freinds and colleauges
who don't necessarily share my POV on movie going. However, many of my
colleauges use me as a judge to determine if they will go to a movie.
So, when I don't go to see something they are not amused. However, I
am off topic. Many of my colleauges had heard me tell how much I liked
POTA 2001 (which I did enjoy it on the big screen, even bought the
dvd, enjoyed it less the second time on the little screen) So, I would
have to answer your question with most of my colleauges all claim to
have liked it and would go to see a sequal. Actuall, they keep asking
me if a sequal is in the works. Many of my friends also feel the same
way. My wife is the only one who could care less. By the way, I am
professional educator. I teach 7th grade math. I know, you would think
my spelling would be better and perhaps my grammer, but hey don't need
that to teach math, at least according to NYC. LOL.

Rod

On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:40:46 +1000, you wrote:

>I must ask....haw many people have you met who claim to be POTA 2001 fans?
>
>Even those who had naver seen classic POTA said POTA 2001was awful. In
>Australia, when POTA 2001 was released on DVD hirers would get a free hire
>of Classic POTA with it.....most hirers said they preferred the original!
>
>Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lazy Red Ace [wasitchu@...]
> Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 9:37 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> I would like to play devils advocate here, and go against my earlier
> point of view. I fthey go back to classic, many fans who are now left
> hanging may not buy into the franchise feeling cheated by the fact
> that the 2001 POTA cliffhanger was never resolved.
>
> Rod.
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:24 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >But some of the earlier scripts went here didn't they?
> >
> >I would have thought if the POTA 2001 effort was considered a failure,
>they
> >might consider dropping it and going back to classic.
> >
> >Michael
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
> >
> >
> > There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if
>you
> > suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
> > Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you
>might
> >as
> > well be dead. - - - Jeff
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
> >
> >
> > > Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
> > > will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
> > > movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
> > > might work. I know I would pay to see it.
> > >
> > > Rod.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
> > Boulle's
> > > >> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after
>Battle....get
> > back to
> > > >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
> > > >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA
>2001).
> > > >>
> > > >> Michael
> > > >
> > > >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except
>for
> > > >the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
> > > >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
> > > >
> > > >I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new
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From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:40 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes

I must ask....haw many people have you met who claim to be POTA 2001 fans?

 

Even those who had naver seen classic POTA said POTA 2001was awful.  In Australia, when POTA 2001 was released on DVD hirers would get a free hire of Classic POTA with it.....most hirers said they preferred the original!

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Lazy Red Ace [wasitchu@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 9:37 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes

I would like to play devils advocate here, and go against my earlier
point of view. I fthey go back to classic, many fans who are now left
hanging may not buy into the franchise feeling cheated by the fact
that the 2001 POTA cliffhanger was never resolved.

Rod.


On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:24 +1000, you wrote:

>But some of the earlier scripts went here didn't they?
>
>I would have thought if the POTA 2001 effort was considered a failure, they
>might consider dropping it and going back to classic.
>
>Michael
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
>  Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
>  To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
>    There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
>  suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
>  Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might
>as
>  well be dead. - - - Jeff
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
>  To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
>  > Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
>  > will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
>  > movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
>  > might work. I know I would pay to see it.
>  >
>  > Rod.
>  >
>  >
>  > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>  >
>  > >>
>  > >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
>  Boulle's
>  > >> Novel...yes please.  Or even something taking up after Battle....get
>  back to
>  > >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
>  > >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
>  > >>
>  > >> Michael
>  > >
>  > >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
>  > >the female chimp freaks.  I think a well written story combined with
>  > >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
>  > >
>  > >I had mixed feelings about the new apes.  Although I liked the new
>makeup
>  > >I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
>  > >totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.
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I admit I liked it better the first time also, the second time I saw
it was on DVD and I did not like it so well. The original I could see
over and over. That is just great story telling.

Rod.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:24:50 -0700, you wrote:

> Except for some people on the group I don't know anyone who liked it. And that includes Natalie Trundy, her son, Austin Stoker and Booth Colman. Rick Baker called it a bad movie, even Richard Zanuck admitted the schedule was crap and it needed a better story. Maybe that's why I kinda like it more than I should, everyone dog piles on it. The only person I know of who liked it better than the original is Richard Roeper the critic. I remember one critic went back and saw it a second time and took away a star in his review and apologized for recommending it. It does have some charms during the first viewing. That's a reversal from the original, where a critic, I think from the New York Times, gave it a mixed review (the '68 version) and then saw it with his daughter and appreciated it more, re-reviewing it and giving it praise. - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:40 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> I must ask....haw many people have you met who claim to be POTA 2001 fans?
>
> Even those who had naver seen classic POTA said POTA 2001was awful. In Australia, when POTA 2001 was released on DVD hirers would get a free hire of Classic POTA with it.....most hirers said they preferred the original!
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lazy Red Ace [wasitchu@...]
> Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 9:37 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> I would like to play devils advocate here, and go against my earlier
> point of view. I fthey go back to classic, many fans who are now left
> hanging may not buy into the franchise feeling cheated by the fact
> that the 2001 POTA cliffhanger was never resolved.
>
> Rod.
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:24 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >But some of the earlier scripts went here didn't they?
> >
> >I would have thought if the POTA 2001 effort was considered a failure, they
> >might consider dropping it and going back to classic.
> >
> >Michael
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> > Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
> >
> >
> > There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
> > suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
> > Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might
> >as
> > well be dead. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
> > To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
> >
> >
> > > Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
> > > will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
> > > movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
> > > might work. I know I would pay to see it.
> > >
> > > Rod.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
> > Boulle's
> > > >> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get
> > back to
> > > >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
> > > >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
> > > >>
> > > >> Michael
> > > >
> > > >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
> > > >the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
> > > >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
> > > >
> > > >I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new
> >makeup
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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:34 PM

Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes

But some of the earlier scripts went here didn't they?

 

I would have thought if the POTA 2001 effort was considered a failure, they might consider dropping it and going back to classic.

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes

  There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might as
well be dead. - - - Jeff


----- Original Message -----
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To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes


> Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
> will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
> movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
> might work. I know I would pay to see it.
>
> Rod.
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
>
> >>
> >> I'm with those who want to abandon a sequel but a movie based on
Boulle's
> >> Novel...yes please.  Or even something taking up after Battle....get
back to
> >> almost the original make-up but use new technologies like CGI or
> >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
> >>
> >> Michael
> >
> >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
> >the female chimp freaks.  I think a well written story combined with
> >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
> >
> >I had mixed feelings about the new apes.  Although I liked the new makeup
> >I hated the Wizard of Oz costumes and I didn't like how they seemed to
> >totally abandon the traditional roles of the 3 apes races.
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Now that is an interesting idea, just do a sequal from the original.

Rod.

On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 18:29:08 -0700, you wrote:

> The Adam Rifkin scripts in '89 and '91 were based on the originals; actually, a sequel to the original, ignoring "Beneath" and the others. Peter (Lord of the Rings) Jackson also wanted to do a continuation back then, and Roddy was in his corner. But from Oliver Stone on ('93) they started from scratch with new makeup, etc. Just forget it. They'll never go back to the originals. NEVER! - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> But some of the earlier scripts went here didn't they?
>
> I would have thought if the POTA 2001 effort was considered a failure, they might consider dropping it and going back to classic.
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
> Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 3:58 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> There's no way. People's point of reference now is POTA2001 and if you
> suddenly pick up after "Battle" people will say, "What? Where's Mark
> Wahlberg?". We are here and it is now. You get hold of that or you might as
> well be dead. - - - Jeff
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lazy Red Ace" <wasitchu@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes
>
>
> > Now Michael that might work, however, as Jeff has pointed out, how
> > will the fans feel with no resolution to the cliffhanger of the 2001
> > movie. Of course, all new characters that pick up where Battle ended
> > might work. I know I would pay to see it.
> >
> > Rod.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Jun 2003 23:53:08 -0500 (CDT), you wrote:
> >
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> > >> Novel...yes please. Or even something taking up after Battle....get
> back to
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> > >> animatronics (as I read somewhere they intended to do for POTA 2001).
> > >>
> > >> Michael
> > >
> > >The new makeup was the one thing I did like about POTA2001, except for
> > >the female chimp freaks. I think a well written story combined with
> > >the new makeup could revive the franchise.
> > >
> > >I had mixed feelings about the new apes. Although I liked the new makeup
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in POTA2001, it was one of the casualities of Burton's last minute
failed attempt to make the ending more plausible.  As I understand it shortly
before the movie was released they filmed (refilmed?) new scenes where Thade
keeps Leo's identiy a secret in order to keep the Pod a secret.  I assume that
was the scene where Thade kills the 2 gorillas.  It seems that FOX knew the
ending would be bad and tried to fix it but failed.  Maybe if the had a
less aggressive schedule...


It's not actually as bad as some people think it is.  Plenty of pods on that station for Thade to beat Leo back to the past with enough time to turn an Ape Army against their masters and conquer the World.  Especially if they sent a rescue mission or three after him.  Hell, then there's be enough for Ari and Deana to chase after him with.  Heaven forbid.  But there is one way to look at it that really makes it make sense.  Leo knows that with Heston over playing Thade's father, even more than Thade is over playing Thade, and all the cheesy reference jokes, and Limbo's one liners, that the film can't help but bomb -- no matter how good Helena Bonham-Carter's performance is.  And that HE is probably the worst thing in it.  So he's trying to escape from the film, and get out of it, as fast as he possibly can -- in a bid to save it! 
Hence the rapid pace and bare bones backstory.
Works for me!   : )




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Nova's people look like a melting pot of
races and I bet that was intentional.

I think they just look like cavemen.
But that makes sense.  The Neanderthal's
didn't die out, so much as they were bred
out.  Though you'll still see a trait here and
there if you go to a hockey game.

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I would gladly go for that. I think though, that if they wait to long,
Mark Walberg will be way to old to do a sequal

Yes, they should get Fankie Muniz to do it.

"Oh, by the way I was being sarcastic."
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to have to start chucking fetuses down the
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.htmlIn a message dated 6/8/2003 4:37:44 PM Central Standard Time, wasitchu@... writes:

Well thankyou. I just hope you can tolerate me, I tend to be very
opinonated and rigid in my thinking at times.

No . . . there's no one like that here.

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I'm nearly as old as you, Rod.  Prolly 44.  I first saw PLANET in early APEril 1968, though I don't recall films "airing" in theatres.  I recall some of those theatres in the old days needed airing out though.


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.htmlIn a message dated 6/8/2003 7:58:27 PM Central Standard Time, wasitchu@... writes:

My wife is the only one who could care less.

This is a Pet Peeve of mine.
Always remember . . . It's, "I COULDN'T care less.
If the COULD care less, then logically she cares,
at least a little bit.  If she Could Not care less,
THEN she Does Not care.

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  Except for some people on the group I don't know anyone who liked it. And that includes Natalie Trundy

Kim said she didn't care for it either.
I wonder what Chuckles though of it.
And indeed his own performance.

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On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 04:47:12 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 6/8/2003 7:58:27 PM Central Standard Time,
>wasitchu@... writes:
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>> My wife is the only one who could care less.
>
>This is a Pet Peeve of mine.
>Always remember . . . It's, "I COULDN'T care less.
>If the COULD care less, then logically she cares,
>at least a little bit. If she Could Not care less,
>THEN she Does Not care.

Ok, she simply does not care, when it comes to most entertainment. The
only movie I ever saw her get excited about was the bio of Tina
Turner.
Rod.

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.htmlIn a message dated 6/8/03 8:58:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wasitchu@... writes:

By the way, I am
professional educator. I teach 7th grade math. I know, you would think
my spelling would be better and perhaps my grammer, but hey don't need
that to teach math, at least according to NYC. LOL.

Rod

NYC?  Yeah, figures.

-- Rory<.html

.htmlIn a message dated 6/8/03 9:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

That's a reversal from the original, where a critic, I think from the New York Times, gave it a mixed review (the '68 version) and then saw it with his daughter and appreciated it more, re-reviewing it and giving it praise. - - - Jeff

That would be Richard Schickel writing in "Life" magazine (quoted in Eric Greene's book).   He writes for "Time" now and gave POTA2001 a largely negative review.

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.htmlIn a message dated 6/8/03 9:27:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

They'll never go back to the originals. NEVER! - - - Jeff

Nor should they.  Leave the originals alone.  They belong in their time, and that time is over.

-- Rory<.html

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From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, 9 June 2003 6:47 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] New apes vs. old apes

In a message dated 6/8/2003 7:58:27 PM Central Standard Time, wasitchu@... writes:

My wife is the only one who could care less.

This is a Pet Peeve of mine.
Always remember . . . It's, "I COULDN'T care less.
If the COULD care less, then logically she cares,
at least a little bit.  If she Could Not care less,
THEN she Does Not care.

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