Thanks Tim.

Here's the links for the pics:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/corncompare.jpg

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/mendezcomp.jpg

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> I think I found the pic they modeled Sideshow
> Cornelius on......here's a comparison as well as
> Mendez.........
> Tim
>
>

All the astronauts in the original movies and TV series wear patches
with this acronym. It's obviously a rearrangement of NASA -- anyone
have any speculation on what the letters stand for?

Another Nonsensical Space Agency...=)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "moncynnes" <moncynnes@y...> wrote:
>
>
> All the astronauts in the original movies and TV series wear
patches
> with this acronym. It's obviously a rearrangement of NASA --
anyone
> have any speculation on what the letters stand for?

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In a message dated 3/8/2005 8:52:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, moncynnes@... writes:

All the astronauts in the original movies and TV series wear patches
with this acronym.  It's obviously a rearrangement of NASA -- anyone
have any speculation on what the letters stand for?

My guess-American National Space Administration...

Bruce

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----- Original Message -----

From: HollowedOut

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 6:26 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: ANSA?

...And Nasa Said AAaaaHaaha

hotscheetz <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

Another Nonsensical Space Agency...=)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "moncynnes" <moncynnes@y...> wrote:
>
>
> All the astronauts in the original movies and TV series wear
patches
> with this acronym.  It's obviously a rearrangement of NASA --
anyone
> have any speculation on what the letters stand for?








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Whatever they stand for, they had some pretty cool looking outfits.
Very snazzy.

I was just re-watching the first episode of the TV show and I noticed
how faded the ANSA patches and American flag patches are on Virdon
and Burke's costumes.
I can only assume that they are wearing the same costumes from the
first two movies that have faded in the interving years. You can
never clearly see their nametags.

I find it kind of interesting to see how many props they ended up re-
using in the TV show.
I recognized the spiked bars and spiked club from Beneath in the
first episode, as well as the rock partition from the ape church in
Planet.
I think that the arena from the "Gladiators" is the same ampitheatre
from Planet and Beneath.
The spaceship in the first episode, goes without saying.

I'm sure there's more that I've forgotten.

-Ray

Advanced Navigation & Stellar Acceleration project.

Apes Now Speak American?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "moncynnes" <moncynnes@y...> wrote:
>
>
> All the astronauts in the original movies and TV series wear
patches
> with this acronym. It's obviously a rearrangement of NASA --
anyone
> have any speculation on what the letters stand for?

Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

And just to remind everyone, those who order SS#10 will also get a
free copy of the TV series Herald.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
> The first shipment has went out. I now have 13 of issue 10 left.
I have plenty of #9 left, and 4 left of #8, if anyone wants to back
order. Don't forget to email me at valwp@y... for my address if
you're interested.
> Kassidy
>
>

And you also get a $2 discount + free postage if you mention
you're a member of this group.

Dave B

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
wrote:

>
>
> And just to remind everyone, those who order SS#10 will also

get a

> free copy of the TV series Herald.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...>

wrote:

> > The first shipment has went out. I now have 13 of issue 10

left.

> I have plenty of #9 left, and 4 left of #8, if anyone wants to back
> order. Don't forget to email me at valwp@y... for my address if
> you're interested.
> > Kassidy
> >
> >

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In a message dated 3/9/2005 6:35:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Apes Now Speak American?

Of course, what else?

But many have British accents.

 

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In BATTLE, it could mean

Aldo
Needs
Some
Anger management training.

At the end of BENEATH, it could mean

Dan

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "moncynnes" <moncynnes@y...> wrote:
>
>
> All the astronauts in the original movies and TV series wear
patches
> with this acronym. It's obviously a rearrangement of NASA --
anyone
> have any speculation on what the letters stand for?

I just got my DVD set of the animated series. The transfer was
BETTER than I thought it would be. VERY impressed. Unless there is
another Burton version sequel to push it, I don't think this series
will get an official release.

My question is, is there a cover art I can print off for my clamshell
case/ I printed off the labels for the actual discs in the file
section of this site. I just couldn't find the cover.

Any thoughts, suggestions?

Michael

My question is, is there a cover art I can print off for my clamshell
case/  I printed off the labels for the actual discs in the file
section of this site.  I just couldn't find the cover. 

Any thoughts, suggestions?

Michael

> I just got my DVD set of the animated series. The transfer was
> BETTER than I thought it would be. VERY impressed.

Thanks.

> My question is, is there a cover art I can print off for my clamshell
> case/ I printed off the labels for the actual discs in the file
> section of this site. I just couldn't find the cover.

> Any thoughts, suggestions?

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

In the "Misc" section, you'll find two different sets of artwork, one
by Greg Plonowski, and one by Dave Ballard.

Hunter

There are two different Return DVD wrappers available on Hunter's site:

 

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

 

Look in the miscellaneous section.

 

Greg P.

protozaius <protozaius@...> wrote:

My question is, is there a cover art I can print off for my clamshell
case/  I printed off the labels for the actual discs in the file
section of this site.  I just couldn't find the cover. 

Any thoughts, suggestions?

Michael

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In a message dated 3/10/2005 2:15:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, protozaius@... writes:

I just got my DVD set of the animated series.  The transfer was
BETTER than I thought it would be.  VERY impressed. Unless there is
another Burton version sequel to push it, I don't think this series
will get an official release.

Me, too. Absolutely incredible! I had a set of VHS episodes but most were missing the opening credits and were almost unwatchable! Watching the farmer listening to the radio song "I'm going Humanoid Over You" in excellent viewing shape somehow makes life worthwhile again!

Bruce

Bruce

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In a message dated 3/10/2005 5:36:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

btw, although the dvd quality is excellent, i was really struck with how bad the "animation" was.

much of it was simply a picture that a camera moved across.

and then there was a variation where there is a picture and a characters mouth and arm will move.

and sometimes a still picture was moved across a landscape.

i found it strange.

 

but i enjoyed it.

rob/ron

I agree...some of the animation (heck, most of the animation!) was pretty primitive but it was still very enjoyable!

Bruce

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

POTA TV series marathon

Date: Friday, March 11, 2005
Time: 8:00AM - 4:00PM EST (GMT-05:00)

Sci-Fi Channel

If you live in the northest, there's another snow storm heading our
way tomorrow. Sounds like a good day to call in sick to stay home &
watch TV.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> POTA TV series marathon
>
> Date: Friday, March 11, 2005
> Time: 8:00AM - 4:00PM EST (GMT-05:00)
>
> Sci-Fi Channel

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

POTA TV series marathon

Date: Friday, March 11, 2005
Time: 8:00AM - 4:00PM EST (GMT-05:00)

Sci-Fi Channel

This week's Lesson has been posted and is ready to view. We've now given the Lessons their own web page that can be assessed here:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm or by clicking the banner on the Yahoo home page. This will make it easier for everyone to view the current Lesson as well as past ones.

Thank you to Elaine for contributing the text of this week's lesson. And thank you to everyone else that has contributed. We now have quite a backlog.

If anyone else would like to contribute either text or art, please let us know. Thanks.

.html I always enjoy seeing references to PotA in other mediums and recently can across 2 more in my recent readings:

The first was in Philip K. Dick's "A scanner darkly". In this future story set in a narcotic influenced society, one of the characters says she wants to go to a drive-in to see a marathon of  the "Planet of the Apes" movie series.... all 11 of them!  She also goes on to say how she enjoys how the later movies recount how famous people in our past history were actually apes, including Lincoln and Nero. (The thought did cross my mind that the Lincoln reference may actually have been the inspiration for the cheesy 2001 Burton finale). 
FYI: "A scanner darkly" was written in 1977. (It's also currently being filmed starring Keanu Reeves and Winona Ryder, but whether the above dialogue gets retained for the screenplay remains to be seen).

The other reference I found was in book "Godzilla on my mind" (2004, William Tsutsui). PotA is refered to as one of the first enduring SF movies series after of course the Godzilla series itself. There are a few other comparisions made.

Just a few PotA tidbits for a friday......

PS: Happy belated birthday Neil!

Dario

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Hey All
I bought a customed painted Sideshow Gorilla Soldier that I think
looks better than Sideshows pinat job.
I posted pics of him with my Lawgiver in my photo album Sideshow
figures on display.
If you want one of these Soldier Apes let me know and I will send
you the email address of the guy I bought it off of.
John

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11?  That' be great! then were only half done, not even.  But Ape Lincoln?  Ive seen photos, and he didn't look like an Ape to me.  A bigfoot maybe.

 

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Did any one know that the action on the rifle sent with the
Sideshows Soldier Apes move back and froth??
I just found out tonight.

Rob Zombie is a huge Planet of the Apes fan. In his movie House of
1000 Corpses there is a dialouge between 2 characters where they
discuss a local "retard" who got caught with a MEGO Planet of the
Apes doll up his ass. "Kid had Dr. Zaius half way up his butt and had
to go to the hospital to get it out." Also, one of the victims is
named Jerry Goldsmith as a tribute to the composer who did the score
for Planet of the Apes, The Omen, and countless other classics. He
has also reffered to Apes in his comic book Spookshow International
issue #5. In a dream sequence a character thinks she is on a twisted
game show in Hell and one of the questions is for her to "name the
diminutive singer/actor who portrayed the peace loving ape in the
movie Battle for the Planet of the Apes." "Paul Willams." "correct"
"for the bonus points name all five Apes movies in order of their
release." She messes up by Escape and one of her alien opponents
steals the win. In the same issue there is a fight between a talking
gorilla named Otto and a masked wrestler named El Superbeasto where
El Superbeasto tells Otto, "That all you got, Monkey Man? I'm gonna
hit you so hard Dr. Zaius will crap in his drawers. Come and get it,
you Damn Dirty Ape." I'm wondering if Zombie will work more Apes
references in his new film "The Devil's Reject's." It would be cool
if it was a kinda running theme the way Kevin Smith refers to Star
Wars in all his films.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 3/11/05 7:07:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

Did any one know that the action on the rifle sent with the
Sideshows Soldier Apes move back and froth??
I just found out tonight.

Yes, I knew that.  Nice that rifle.  I wish I'd gotten two of the regular gorillas, instead of the exclusive one.

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I wonder how long it will be until they get around to APES?

-- Rory<.html<.html

I remember Rob Zombie was interviewed in one of the specials before
POTA2001 was released. I think it was the Fox special. They had a segment
about the originals and had some celeb fans. I think it was Zombie, Kevin
Smith, Will from "Will and Grace", a basketball star. There's lots of them
there fans. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:39 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PotA references


>
>
>
> Rob Zombie is a huge Planet of the Apes fan. In his movie House of
> 1000 Corpses there is a dialouge between 2 characters where they
> discuss a local "retard" who got caught with a MEGO Planet of the
> Apes doll up his ass. "Kid had Dr. Zaius half way up his butt and had
> to go to the hospital to get it out." Also, one of the victims is
> named Jerry Goldsmith as a tribute to the composer who did the score
> for Planet of the Apes, The Omen, and countless other classics. He
> has also reffered to Apes in his comic book Spookshow International
> issue #5. In a dream sequence a character thinks she is on a twisted
> game show in Hell and one of the questions is for her to "name the
> diminutive singer/actor who portrayed the peace loving ape in the
> movie Battle for the Planet of the Apes." "Paul Willams." "correct"
> "for the bonus points name all five Apes movies in order of their
> release." She messes up by Escape and one of her alien opponents
> steals the win. In the same issue there is a fight between a talking
> gorilla named Otto and a masked wrestler named El Superbeasto where
> El Superbeasto tells Otto, "That all you got, Monkey Man? I'm gonna
> hit you so hard Dr. Zaius will crap in his drawers. Come and get it,
> you Damn Dirty Ape." I'm wondering if Zombie will work more Apes
> references in his new film "The Devil's Reject's." It would be cool
> if it was a kinda running theme the way Kevin Smith refers to Star
> Wars in all his films.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 3/11/2005 10:41:11 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I remember Rob Zombie was interviewed in one of the specials before
POTA2001 was released. I think it was the Fox special. They had a segment
about the originals and had some celeb fans. I think it was Zombie, Kevin
Smith, Will from "Will and Grace", a basketball star. There's lots of them
there fans.

Yeah, but you have to think how many of them are really fans, and how many are "fans" just because there's a camera in their face and/or they're at the premier, etc.? Things aren't always as they seem...

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PotA references

In a message dated 3/11/2005 10:41:11 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I remember Rob Zombie was interviewed in one of the specials before
POTA2001 was released. I think it was the Fox special. They had a segment
about the originals and had some celeb fans. I think it was Zombie, Kevin
Smith, Will from "Will and Grace", a basketball star. There's lots of them
there fans.

Yeah, but you have to think how many of them are really fans, and how many are "fans" just because there's a camera in their face and/or they're at the premier, etc.? Things aren't always as they seem...

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In a message dated 3/12/2005 5:24:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Well how do I know how many of you are fans, and not just "fans" because you've got a computer in your face? This is all a set up! You're not really fans at all, are you?

 

Well, I guess I could send pics of my "Rabbit Hutch" apartment with a Kim Hunter movie poster on nearly every wall and a Zira figure in nearly every corner, if it'll put your mind at ease.  Or would that just be window dressing?  Would I have to bust out container after container of all the photos and memorabilia that I DON"T have room to display?  Would that convince you?  Or is it only there for the cameras?  That's a bit chicken before the egg though.  I wouldn't have the damned cameras out in the first place If you didn't need all these pic to put your mind at ease.  And you just say it's all contrived anyway, so why bother?

Put you cameras away everyone.  I think Jeff has come to his senses!  He realized that if there are any fans here who are posers, it's him!  Oh course I don't mean that Jeff.  You are among the hardcore.  Now back to the trenches Colonel.  I have to get back to my hutch and get these pictures of Zira off the wall before Jessica comes home.  ; )

 

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Hmmm. Does anyone else get a bogus result from this link? Is there
really a new magazine, Rory?

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> Check out this site for a new magazine: www.cinemaretro.com
>
> I wonder how long it will be until they get around to APES?
>
> -- Rory

It's a real link. It worked for me. http://www.cinemaretro.com/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Hmmm. Does anyone else get a bogus result from this link? Is
there
> really a new magazine, Rory?
>
> Helen
>
>

I have that interview. Zombie says he's still a big fan because most
of the sci-fi of that time looks dated by making the future look like
a giant disco or something but Planet of the Apes still holds up
today. I bet he doesn't feel so strong about Tim Burton's.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:47 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: PotA references

In a message dated 3/12/2005 5:24:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Well how do I know how many of you are fans, and not just "fans" because you've got a computer in your face? This is all a set up! You're not really fans at all, are you?

 

Well, I guess I could send pics of my "Rabbit Hutch" apartment with a Kim Hunter movie poster on nearly every wall and a Zira figure in nearly every corner, if it'll put your mind at ease.  Or would that just be window dressing?  Would I have to bust out container after container of all the photos and memorabilia that I DON"T have room to display?  Would that convince you?  Or is it only there for the cameras?  That's a bit chicken before the egg though.  I wouldn't have the damned cameras out in the first place If you didn't need all these pic to put your mind at ease.  And you just say it's all contrived anyway, so why bother?

Put you cameras away everyone.  I think Jeff has come to his senses!  He realized that if there are any fans here who are posers, it's him!  Oh course I don't mean that Jeff.  You are among the hardcore.  Now back to the trenches Colonel.  I have to get back to my hutch and get these pictures of Zira off the wall before Jessica comes home.  ; )

 

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I don't see nothing wrong with honoring Kim Hunter and Zira. Besides, I have one in my room along with a 18x 24 oil painting of the good Doctor Zira I had done when I was in Korea, and I just purchased another Kim Hunter 8x10 for my collection.

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Do you have a thing for Chaka too? Or maybe Ta or Sa?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
> I hear tell he's doing commentary for the dvd release of "Land of the Lost". Apparently
has gotten a new movie role, too.

That would be the third season of LOTL, right?...I have the DVD sets
of season I and II -- I luved that show when it first ran, and it's
still fun now...Do you know when season III will be released?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
> I hear tell he's doing commentary for the dvd release of "Land of
the Lost". Apparently has gotten a new movie role, too.
> Kass
>
>
> ---------------------------------

That would be the third season of LOTL, right?...I have the DVD sets
of season I and II -- I luved that show when it first ran, and it's
still fun now...Do you know when season III will be released?...

G

DOes anyone know where I can buy the Sideshow Exclusive Taylor, the
one with the beard, at besides Ebay? He goes for over $100 on Ebay
and I would rather get him for less than that if I could

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I have the 1st & 2nd seasons on DVD its to bad it only went 3 though. I hope they give us many extras with the final 3rd season.

 

Tony

 

 

 

In a message dated 3/12/2005 7:46:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

According to this news article from TVShowsonDVD.com Rhino has said the set will be released this spring, likely in May, although a firm date hasn't been set.

 

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2737

 

Greg P.

 

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Thanks, Greg...I can hardly wait!...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> According to this news article from TVShowsonDVD.com Rhino has said
the set will be released this spring, likely in May, although a firm
date hasn't been set.
>
> http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2737
>
> Greg P.
>
> hotscheetz <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
>
> That would be the third season of LOTL, right?...I have the DVD
sets
> of season I and II -- I luved that show when it first ran, and it's
> still fun now...Do you know when season III will be released?...
>
> G

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In a message dated 3/12/2005 12:44:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

I have one in my room along with a 18x 24 oil painting of the good Doctor Zira I had done when I was in Korea, and I just purchased another Kim Hunter 8x10 for my collection.

I seem to remember a pic of that.

Can we see it again.

 

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In a message dated 3/12/2005 11:09:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

   You're just a Zira fan because it's "in". Next week it'll be Yoda. - - - Jeff

Really?  I guess the last 37 year were for nothing then.

 

 

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
pota group:

Which is your favorite Sideshow figure?

o Taylor - Astronaut
o Forbidden Zone Astronaut Taylor
o Gorilla Soldier - Ape Marauder
o Zira
o Dr. Zaius
o Cornelius
o Gorilla Soldier - Ape Enforcer
o Nova
o Slave Taylor
o Dr. Zaius Riding Outfit
o Astronaut Brent
o General Ursus
o Mutant Leader
o Mutant Jailor
o Beneath Taylor
o Caesar


To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1707878

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

Your customized Soldier ape looks pretty cool. He will definately add
variety to a shelf full of Sideshow apes.
His brownish looking face seems to make him look a lot like a TV show
gorilla. Maybe you should paint a big white "M" on his tunic. :)

-Ray


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@h...>
wrote:

>
>
> Hey All
> I bought a customed painted Sideshow Gorilla Soldier that I think
> looks better than Sideshows pinat job.
> I posted pics of him with my Lawgiver in my photo album Sideshow
> figures on display.
> If you want one of these Soldier Apes let me know and I will send
> you the email address of the guy I bought it off of.
> John

I don't think Amok Time is carrying any of the "exclusive" versions
of the Sideshow figures.

-Ray

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Try Amok time. Elaine

I don't think you can really include the figures that haven't been
released yet.
Sometimes a lot can change from the prototypes that are usually
displayed on their website. You really need to see each figure in
person to get an accurate assesment of how it is.
I anticipate really liking Ursus, but a lot can go wrong between now
and it's release.

Maybe the poll should be in 2 parts?
"Best Sideshow figure in first assortment?" or "so far?" and then
another poll after the 2nd assortment is released.

-Ray

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> pota group:
>
> Which is your favorite Sideshow figure?
>
> o Taylor - Astronaut
> o Forbidden Zone Astronaut Taylor
> o Gorilla Soldier - Ape Marauder
> o Zira
> o Dr. Zaius
> o Cornelius
> o Gorilla Soldier - Ape Enforcer
> o Nova
> o Slave Taylor
> o Dr. Zaius Riding Outfit
> o Astronaut Brent
> o General Ursus
> o Mutant Leader
> o Mutant Jailor
> o Beneath Taylor
> o Caesar
>
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 3/13/05 8:26:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, ursus3978@... writes:

I don't think Amok Time is carrying any of the "exclusive" versions
of the Sideshow figures.

-Ray

No, they aren't.  You can only get them through Sideshow and when they're gone you're stuck with what you can find on eBay.  Not pleasant, but that's the reality.

-- Rory<.html <.html

First, I'd like to thank Greg P. and James and Tim for their
interest in the Finding Milo Project. It was very helpful to find
the name of our chimp, and having pictures and video has been quite
revealing! I'm actually a bit brain dead right now, so any new
ideas would be really appreciated.

Wally Swett, Sarah Baeckler, Marc Beckoff, Robin Dickson and
countless others have kept me focused and offered assistance with
their human resources, and I'd like to acknowledge that any
information that I do have is compiled from bits taken from all of
these sources and more.

Without a huge amount of confirmation, I'd like to share what I have
right now and the direction that my search is going.

It is believed that Kelly was privately owned and "furnished" to the
set by Roy Kabat. There is information in Joe Russo's book "Planet
of the Apes Revisited" that she came from Europe. Kim talks in the
book about her cagemate who died of Hepatitis on the way. It was
believed that our chimp was 6 months old at the time of filming,
having arrived from Europe not long before that.

Wally Swett from Primarily Primates was approached at one point by
her owner to take her, but he didn't have room at his sanctuary. He
referred the ower to Genus pan. It is likely that she went there.
In any case, Wally believes that she went from there to the track
that most chimps used in entertainment go, and that she became a
research chimp. There is a chimp recorded at The ChimpanZoo
database that seems to support this "history".

The database has information on a female chimpanzee named Kelley
that roughly follows the life course Mr. Swett described. Kelley,
stud # 0248 first shows up in the records in 1968; there is no
information on her mother or father. It is believed that Kelley was
sent to the Houston Zoo in 1969 and then transferred to the Detroit
Zoo on February 25, 1972. Kelley then spent a number of years
in research institutions: Lemsep (2/3/76), Southwest (9/10/79) and
finally Bastrop (6/9/81). Kelley would be about 37 now.

We were thrown by the age descrepency, as the chimp in the movie
would have to have been about two years older than has been
recorded. The pictures that we were able to send to Sarah Baeckler
confirm that the chimp in the movie was actually 18 months to 2
years old -- meaning that the chimp didn't arrive from Europe at 6
months old, as Kim's comments would have suggested. That would put
Kelley's age much closer to the age of the Bastrop chimp.

I have finally made a contact at Bastrop and I should be receiving
more information this week.

The bad news is that many chimps at Bastrop were used for AIDS
research. Although chimps proved to be poor models, those that were
infected with the virus have been kept in isolation since their
exposure years ago. If she was used as for this purpose, she would
never be given an opportunity for retirement, as she couldn't be
socialized with other chimps and would always need to be kept alone.

The good news is this... I have been referred to a doctor in charge
of psycho/social research. That is a really good sign because if
Kelley is being used in this way, it is probable that she has not
been used in AIDS research.

I don't really have any answers and until things can be all tied up
in a nice little bow, there are still a lot of gaps. I do know that
in 2002 a list was compiled of chimps at Bastrop and Kelley's name
was on the list. In 2005 that list was revised (unofficially) and
her name was not deleted.

I'm waiting further information -- hopefully this week -- and hope
to make contact with a couple ape trainers. Wish me luck.

Helen

At the risk of annoying some on the list... I'm thinking that it's
good to pray for God's animals, too, so if you are a praying person,
I think it would be good if you'd pray for Kelley. Thanks.

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What... no Lawgiver?

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> o Dr. Zaius
> o Cornelius
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> o Slave Taylor
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I thought the smae thing but since I didn't do the actual painting
on him I will proably leave him as he is. I think I will conatct the
guy who painted him and see if I can get him to paint me another
one. I am kind of found of how he looks compared to the original
look.


In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Ray" <ursus3978@a...> wrote:

>
>
> Your customized Soldier ape looks pretty cool. He will definately

add

> variety to a shelf full of Sideshow apes.
> His brownish looking face seems to make him look a lot like a TV

show

> gorilla. Maybe you should paint a big white "M" on his tunic. :)
>
> -Ray
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"

<JLKINSER1970@h...>

> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey All
> > I bought a customed painted Sideshow Gorilla Soldier that I

think

> > looks better than Sideshows pinat job.
> > I posted pics of him with my Lawgiver in my photo album Sideshow
> > figures on display.
> > If you want one of these Soldier Apes let me know and I will

send

> > you the email address of the guy I bought it off of.
> > John

Like the POTA TV series, LOTL didn't have a wrap-up episode where the
Marshalls get back home. The final episode of season 3 ended with Will
singing a song.

Dan

> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:08:10 EST
> From: kidro85@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Ron Harper (OT)
>
>
> I have the 1st & 2nd seasons on DVD its to bad it only went 3 though. I

hope

> they give us many extras with the final 3rd season.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/12/2005 7:46:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> urko3085@... writes:
>
> According to this news article from TVShowsonDVD.com Rhino has said the

set

> will be released this spring, likely in May, although a firm date hasn't

been

> set.
>
> _http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2737_
> (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2737)
>
> Greg P.
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 3/13/2005 3:27:37 PM Central Standard Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

Like the POTA TV series, LOTL didn't have a wrap-up episode where the
Marshalls get back home.

Well, in a way it did... The last episode of season one "was" a wrap-up episode done in an open ended way.. It had a conclusion had they not been renewed for a second year, or "open ended" so they could carry on if renewed...

<.html <.html

Truly amazing detective work, Helen! I am quite curious about the
Milo/Kelley story, and wonder how this will all pan out.

Can we assume that chimpanzee actor Kelley also played the role of
Salome, daughter of Heloise, in Armando's Old Time Circus, in
addition to Zira's baby Milo?

I noticed two spellings for Kelley/Kelly in your post. Were both
spellings on the records, depending on the recorder?

Menluth.

.html.htmlFrom an interview with Kim Hunter in "Filmfax" magazine, No. 79, June 2000:

Question: In the third one, ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, you had a baby chimp.  Was it difficult working with her?

Hunter: No, she was a darling, absolutely adorable, just wonderful to work with.  They had someone in my costume, etc., work with the chimp before I met her.  They gave me a cover-up thing under my costume, like cops wear in order to avoid bullets, so if the chimp wanted to bite me on the chest, she couldn't.  At one point, the substitute for me, in trying out working with the chimp, did get bitten; not seriously, fortunately. But I never had a problem with the baby chimp.  Once in a while, she could be like any little brat, off-screen.  But, on-screen, once the camera was rolling, the chimp was paying attention to the scene.  It was incredible; a natural born actor, truly.

One problem, she was scared to death of elephants.  And we had one elephant in the circus scene.  When see saw the elephant for the first time, she nearly squeezed my neck putting her arms around me, handing onto me, just scared to death.  After that, the director, Don Taylor, made sure the elephant was not where the chimp could see it when she was on-camera.

We did have another problem when I was on the ship, carrying the baby chimp and looking for Cornelius.  There are barriers between areas of a ship.  I stepped over that fine, but on the other side, the crew had left a bunch of lighting wires.  I tripped on the wires and fell face down.  I held the chimp up because I didn't want her to get hurt.  I got bruised, considerably.  The chimp didn't get bruised at all, but got scared.  The trainer came over immediately, to take the chimp away.  I said, "No, no! I'm the one who has to calm her down.  I'm the mom, here."  So I finally did calm her down.

The next time, they got the wires out of the way so I didn't have a problem.  Then, we were doing other running around bits in the interior of the ship.  And I was ducking under things, trying to get through.  I lost my balance, at one point, but I caught myself and didn't fall this time.  The chimp looked up at me as if to say, "Oh boy!  What have I got there?"  It was the funniest look I've ever seen in my life.
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Thanks, Rory.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> From an interview with Kim Hunter in "Filmfax" magazine, No. 79,
June 2000:
>
> Question: In the third one, ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES,
you had a
> baby chimp. Was it difficult working with her?
>
> Hunter: No, she was a darling, absolutely adorable, just wonderful
to work
> with. They had someone in my costume, etc., work with the chimp
before I met
> her. They gave me a cover-up thing under my costume, like cops
wear in order to
> avoid bullets, so if the chimp wanted to bite me on the chest, she
couldn't.
> At one point, the substitute for me, in trying out working with
the chimp,
> did get bitten; not seriously, fortunately. But I never had a
problem with the
> baby chimp. Once in a while, she could be like any little brat,
off-screen.
> But, on-screen, once the camera was rolling, the chimp was paying
attention to
> the scene. It was incredible; a natural born actor, truly.
>
> One problem, she was scared to death of elephants. And we had one
elephant
> in the circus scene. When see saw the elephant for the first
time, she nearly
> squeezed my neck putting her arms around me, handing onto me, just
scared to
> death. After that, the director, Don Taylor, made sure the
elephant was not
> where the chimp could see it when she was on-camera.
>
> We did have another problem when I was on the ship, carrying the
baby chimp
> and looking for Cornelius. There are barriers between areas of a
ship. I
> stepped over that fine, but on the other side, the crew had left a
bunch of
> lighting wires. I tripped on the wires and fell face down. I
held the chimp up
> because I didn't want her to get hurt. I got bruised,
considerably. The chimp
> didn't get bruised at all, but got scared. The trainer came over
immediately,
> to take the chimp away. I said, "No, no! I'm the one who has to
calm her
> down. I'm the mom, here." So I finally did calm her down.
>
> The next time, they got the wires out of the way so I didn't have
a problem.
> Then, we were doing other running around bits in the interior of
the ship.
> And I was ducking under things, trying to get through. I lost my
balance, at
> one point, but I caught myself and didn't fall this time. The
chimp looked up
> at me as if to say, "Oh boy! What have I got there?" It was the
funniest
> look I've ever seen in my life.

Thanks, Menluth.

Kelley did play both parts. Her cagemate died coming over from
Europe, so she got both parts (according to Joe Russo's book).

As far as the name goes, I figure if someone is checking their
records, they are probably using computers. Greg P. found her name
in the 35th Anniversary DVD -- but of course it isn't spelled out.
I started by spelling it K-E-L-L-Y, but found in the GAP Census
records that there were two K-E-L-L-E-Y's. I figured to get the
best result I'd better be sure that everyone knows we don't have a
specific spelling in case they enter one and the computer doesn't
bring up the other. It looks as if we are looking for a "Kelley,"
but I don't want to miss something. (Spellings are often misleading
in historical documents -- as with the names of Rev War Soldiers.
Often the recorder puts the spelling down whatever way they want to
spell it.)

I received an email from a woman who knew the Census Pan chimps and
she says she doesn't believe there was ever a Kelley. BUT, and I
think this is amazing, at the same time she got my letter she found
an old file from the Primate Institute of Oklahoma. It listed a
Kelley!!!! She says those chimps went to LEMSIP and from there we
could be talking about the same chimp!!! However, in her
recollection most of the LEMSIP chimps went to sanctuaries in US and
Canada.

She isn't too concerned about even seemingly large age
discrepencies. It's impossible to age a chimp due to the fact that
so few records travel with them!

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Truly amazing detective work, Helen! I am quite curious about the
> Milo/Kelley story, and wonder how this will all pan out.
>
> Can we assume that chimpanzee actor Kelley also played the role of
> Salome, daughter of Heloise, in Armando's Old Time Circus, in
> addition to Zira's baby Milo?
>
> I noticed two spellings for Kelley/Kelly in your post. Were both
> spellings on the records, depending on the recorder?
>
> Menluth.

Thanks for the story...It's kind of nice hearing accounts like this
that might have gotten "buried" and lost somewhere...Anecdotes like
this are part of what keep POTA alive and thriving...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> From an interview with Kim Hunter in "Filmfax" magazine, No. 79,
June 2000:
>
> Question: In the third one, ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, you
had a
> baby chimp. Was it difficult working with her?
>
> Hunter: No, she was a darling, absolutely adorable, just wonderful
to work
> with. They had someone in my costume, etc., work with the chimp
before I met
> her. They gave me a cover-up thing under my costume, like cops
wear in order to
> avoid bullets, so if the chimp wanted to bite me on the chest, she
couldn't.
> At one point, the substitute for me, in trying out working with the
chimp,
> did get bitten; not seriously, fortunately. But I never had a
problem with the
> baby chimp. Once in a while, she could be like any little brat,
off-screen.
> But, on-screen, once the camera was rolling, the chimp was paying
attention to
> the scene. It was incredible; a natural born actor, truly.
>
> One problem, she was scared to death of elephants. And we had one
elephant
> in the circus scene. When see saw the elephant for the first time,
she nearly
> squeezed my neck putting her arms around me, handing onto me, just
scared to
> death. After that, the director, Don Taylor, made sure the
elephant was not
> where the chimp could see it when she was on-camera.
>
> We did have another problem when I was on the ship, carrying the
baby chimp
> and looking for Cornelius. There are barriers between areas of a
ship. I
> stepped over that fine, but on the other side, the crew had left a
bunch of
> lighting wires. I tripped on the wires and fell face down. I held
the chimp up
> because I didn't want her to get hurt. I got bruised,
considerably. The chimp
> didn't get bruised at all, but got scared. The trainer came over
immediately,
> to take the chimp away. I said, "No, no! I'm the one who has to
calm her
> down. I'm the mom, here." So I finally did calm her down.
>
> The next time, they got the wires out of the way so I didn't have a
problem.
> Then, we were doing other running around bits in the interior of
the ship.
> And I was ducking under things, trying to get through. I lost my
balance, at
> one point, but I caught myself and didn't fall this time. The
chimp looked up
> at me as if to say, "Oh boy! What have I got there?" It was the
funniest
> look I've ever seen in my life.

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Here's a different version of the same story from Kim's book . . .

 

 

JUST CALL ME "MUM"

    With two children of my own, and a long parade of theatrical

children  of all  sexes, ages, shapes, and sizes . . . Motherhood has

become a familiar role. But I hardly dreamed I'd ever be playing

Mother to a chimpanzee. A real live chimpanzee ... in "Escape from
the Planet of the Apes." No John Chambers creation, this baby.

     In the story, Milo was a newborn infant. In life he was six

months old, just off the boat from the wilds of Africa . . . with very

large teeth he was well-prepared to use.
    A "stand-in" Dr. Zira, complete in my makeup and costume,

spent days with the chimp and his trainer, Jerry Campanilli, to get

the babe used to the smells and strange look of "evolved" apedom.

Their first contact was not too satisfactory. Milo bit her. In a very

vulnerable area. The wardrobe department nastily constructed a large

plastic breastplate to wear under the costume for future protection.

Jerry also draped Milo in Pampers to eliminate possible mishaps from

the other end. And finally we were introduced.
    Our first meeting was fraught with trepidation. It took about an

hour (and a great deal of sweet-talk) to get him to leave Jerry's arms

for mine without his baring great menacing teeth. That step

accomplished, we were on our own. Flung into our first scene

together. No time for palsy-walsies on Company time.
    In the shot, I was to carry Milo in my arms and run frantically

through a derelict ship (moored in San Pedro Harbour) searching for

Cornelius. "Action!"
    I dutifully ran, promptly tripped over a mess of lighting cables,

and went sprawling onto the deck. A sixth sense told me this was no

way to begin a meaningful relationship with my "child." Instead of

trying to brace my fall, my arms automatically went up to keep Milo

from hitting the deck, too ... a saving gesture he didn't immediately

appreciate. I not only got a close and ominous view of every tooth in

his mouth, he voiced his displeasure and terror in unmistakably rude

tones.
    Jerry dashed to the rescue, quite sure he was going to tear me to

shreds. And with a bravado born of ignorance, I pushed her aside. I

didn't know much about chimpanzees, but I knew if we didn't make

friends again fast, we were in deep trouble. I hung on and played

comforting "Mum" for dear life until his lips finally relaxed and

those lethal ivories retreated. Then I gave Milo to Jerry.
    It took me a great deal longer to stop shaking. And I discovered

all sorts of interesting bruises . . . later. But as soon as I could stand
                                                                                                 

                                                                                       

without my knees buckling under, we had another go at the scene

(the offending cables cleared away) and all went well, thank God.

"Print!"
    We had one more tense moment the same day. Again, a

complicated running sequence through the ship, under huge, low

pipes and over jagged, rusty debris . . . and, though cables weren't in

the way, my sense of balance in that hobble skirt was sorely tried. I

tripped again, this time over my out-sized ape feet, but caught myself

in the nick and didn't sprawl. Milo was jolted considerably, gave me a

startled look, and then relaxed. He didn't even bare one tooth. Trust,

and the beginning of our love affair was underway. I was obviously

some sort of nut come into his life, but harmless.
    Except for the latent threat of those teeth, he was just like any

human baby . . . affectionate, curious, playful. He'd .get testy when

overly tired or bored. Or fly into a tantrum when denied something

he desperately wanted. But generally he was amenable and charming.

And a natural-born actor. However bored he might be off-camera, he

was immediately alert and "into it" when the camera was rolling.

Only once did he hold up the shooting.
    There was a sequence with a lot of circus animals . . . big cats,

bears, smaller cats, and a baby elephant. Everyone was caged except

the elephant. And Milo was terrified of the elephant. Every time it

crossed his vision he'd cry out in panic, frantically free his arms from

his blanket and cling to my neck for dear life. Don Taylor, our

director, finally had to settle for positioning the elephant so Milo

couldn't possibly see it, even if it meant the camera couldn't either.
The making of that third (and for me, last) Ape film was

fascinating, but in one respect, very disconcerting. And for insight

into human behavior, quite as enlightening as the first, for a slightly

different reason.
In the first two of the series, the apes were in the majority. We

may have seemed strange to the outside world, but we were familiar

and friendly beings among each other.
    In the third . . . except for the brief opening sequences when Sal

Mineo was with us ... Roddy McDowall and I were the only simians.

All the rest of the cast was human. We were unmistakably the

outsiders . . . the odd couple.
    Oh, we were treated politely and gently, and there was much of

the easy banter and humor that permeates a happy company, and

ours was that, but the strain people feel in trying consciously to

communicate "unselfconsciously" with the peculiar was always

present. We were "different''' . . . and vaguely repulsive to human

sensibilities.
    John Randolph (Chairman of the President's Commission in the

film) finally verbalized it. Johnny and I have been friends for 20

years and I had to know if I was being paranoid. He tried to explain,

the uneasy look in his eyes belying his jolly laughter: "Kim, I know

 

in my mind that behind all that foam rubber it's you, but the

makeup is so damn realistic I feel as if I'm talking to a creature from

outer space.  It's downright uncomfortable . . . and dammit,

disturbing."

 

 

<.html

Thanks, LT! This is excellent! But it's so sad. She (he?) did
come straight from Africa! (We were guessing that she did.) Ouch!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Here's a different version of the same story from Kim's book . . .
>
>
> JUST CALL ME "MUM"
>
> With two children of my own, and a long parade of theatrical
> children of all sexes, ages, shapes, and sizes . . . Motherhood
has
> become a familiar role. But I hardly dreamed I'd ever be playing
> Mother to a chimpanzee. A real live chimpanzee ... in "Escape from
> the Planet of the Apes." No John Chambers creation, this baby.
> In the story, Milo was a newborn infant. In life he was six
> months old, just off the boat from the wilds of Africa . . . with
very
> large teeth he was well-prepared to use.
> A "stand-in" Dr. Zira, complete in my makeup and costume,
> spent days with the chimp and his trainer, Jerry Campanilli, to
get
> the babe used to the smells and strange look of "evolved" apedom.
> Their first contact was not too satisfactory. Milo bit her. In a
very
> vulnerable area. The wardrobe department nastily constructed a
large
> plastic breastplate to wear under the costume for future
protection.
> Jerry also draped Milo in Pampers to eliminate possible mishaps
from
> the other end. And finally we were introduced.
> Our first meeting was fraught with trepidation. It took about an
> hour (and a great deal of sweet-talk) to get him to leave Jerry's
arms
> for mine without his baring great menacing teeth. That step
> accomplished, we were on our own. Flung into our first scene
> together. No time for palsy-walsies on Company time.
> In the shot, I was to carry Milo in my arms and run frantically
> through a derelict ship (moored in San Pedro Harbour) searching
for
> Cornelius. "Action!"
> I dutifully ran, promptly tripped over a mess of lighting cables,
> and went sprawling onto the deck. A sixth sense told me this was
no
> way to begin a meaningful relationship with my "child." Instead of
> trying to brace my fall, my arms automatically went up to keep
Milo
> from hitting the deck, too ... a saving gesture he didn't
immediately
> appreciate. I not only got a close and ominous view of every
tooth in
> his mouth, he voiced his displeasure and terror in unmistakably
rude
> tones.
> Jerry dashed to the rescue, quite sure he was going to tear me to
> shreds. And with a bravado born of ignorance, I pushed her aside.
I
> didn't know much about chimpanzees, but I knew if we didn't make
> friends again fast, we were in deep trouble. I hung on and played
> comforting "Mum" for dear life until his lips finally relaxed and
> those lethal ivories retreated. Then I gave Milo to Jerry.
> It took me a great deal longer to stop shaking. And I discovered
> all sorts of interesting bruises . . . later. But as soon as I
could stand
>
>
> without my knees buckling under, we had another go at the scene
> (the offending cables cleared away) and all went well, thank God.
> "Print!"
> We had one more tense moment the same day. Again, a
> complicated running sequence through the ship, under huge, low
> pipes and over jagged, rusty debris . . . and, though cables
weren't in
> the way, my sense of balance in that hobble skirt was sorely
tried. I
> tripped again, this time over my out-sized ape feet, but caught
myself
> in the nick and didn't sprawl. Milo was jolted considerably, gave
me a
> startled look, and then relaxed. He didn't even bare one tooth.
Trust,
> and the beginning of our love affair was underway. I was obviously
> some sort of nut come into his life, but harmless.
> Except for the latent threat of those teeth, he was just like any
> human baby . . . affectionate, curious, playful. He'd .get testy
when
> overly tired or bored. Or fly into a tantrum when denied something
> he desperately wanted. But generally he was amenable and charming.
> And a natural-born actor. However bored he might be off-camera, he
> was immediately alert and "into it" when the camera was rolling.
> Only once did he hold up the shooting.
> There was a sequence with a lot of circus animals . . . big cats,
> bears, smaller cats, and a baby elephant. Everyone was caged
except
> the elephant. And Milo was terrified of the elephant. Every time
it
> crossed his vision he'd cry out in panic, frantically free his
arms from
> his blanket and cling to my neck for dear life. Don Taylor, our
> director, finally had to settle for positioning the elephant so
Milo
> couldn't possibly see it, even if it meant the camera couldn't
either.
> The making of that third (and for me, last) Ape film was
> fascinating, but in one respect, very disconcerting. And for
insight
> into human behavior, quite as enlightening as the first, for a
slightly
> different reason.
> In the first two of the series, the apes were in the majority. We
> may have seemed strange to the outside world, but we were familiar
> and friendly beings among each other.
> In the third . . . except for the brief opening sequences when
Sal
> Mineo was with us ... Roddy McDowall and I were the only simians.
> All the rest of the cast was human. We were unmistakably the
> outsiders . . . the odd couple.
> Oh, we were treated politely and gently, and there was much of
> the easy banter and humor that permeates a happy company, and
> ours was that, but the strain people feel in trying consciously to
> communicate "unselfconsciously" with the peculiar was always
> present. We were "different''' . . . and vaguely repulsive to
human
> sensibilities.
> John Randolph (Chairman of the President's Commission in the
> film) finally verbalized it. Johnny and I have been friends for 20
> years and I had to know if I was being paranoid. He tried to
explain,
> the uneasy look in his eyes belying his jolly laughter: "Kim, I
know
>
> in my mind that behind all that foam rubber it's you, but the
> makeup is so damn realistic I feel as if I'm talking to a
creature from
> outer space. It's downright uncomfortable . . . and dammit,
> disturbing."

First, I'd like to thank Greg P. and James and Tim for their
interest in the Finding Milo Project.  It was very helpful to find
the name of our chimp, and having pictures and video has been quite
revealing!  I'm actually a bit brain dead right now, so any new
ideas would be really appreciated.

Wally Swett, Sarah Baeckler, Marc Beckoff, Robin Dickson and
countless others have kept me focused and offered assistance with
their human resources, and I'd like to acknowledge that any
information that I do have is compiled from bits taken from all of
these sources and more.

Without a huge amount of confirmation, I'd like to share what I have
right now and the direction that my search is going.

It is believed that Kelly was privately owned and "furnished" to the
set by Roy Kabat.  There is information in Joe Russo's book "Planet
of the Apes Revisited" that she came from Europe.  Kim talks in the
book about her cagemate who died of Hepatitis on the way.  It was
believed that our chimp was 6 months old at the time of filming,
having arrived from Europe not long before that. 

Wally Swett from Primarily Primates was approached at one point by
her owner to take her, but he didn't have room at his sanctuary.  He
referred the ower to Genus pan.  It is likely that she went there. 
In any case, Wally believes that she went from there to the track
that most chimps used in entertainment go, and that she became a
research chimp.  There is a chimp recorded at The ChimpanZoo
database that seems to support this "history". 

The database has information on a female chimpanzee named Kelley
that roughly follows the life course Mr. Swett described.   Kelley,
stud # 0248 first shows up in the records in 1968; there is no
information on her mother or father.  It is believed that Kelley was
sent to the Houston Zoo in 1969 and then transferred to the Detroit
Zoo on February 25, 1972.  Kelley then spent a number of years
in research institutions: Lemsep (2/3/76), Southwest (9/10/79) and
finally Bastrop (6/9/81).  Kelley would be about 37 now.

We were thrown by the age descrepency, as the chimp in the movie
would have to have been about two years older than has been
recorded.  The pictures that we were able to send to Sarah Baeckler
confirm that the chimp in the movie was actually 18 months to 2
years old -- meaning that the chimp didn't arrive from Europe at 6
months old, as Kim's comments would have suggested.  That would put
Kelley's age much closer to the age of the Bastrop chimp.

I have finally made a contact at Bastrop and I should be receiving
more information this week.

The bad news is that many chimps at Bastrop were used for AIDS
research.  Although chimps proved to be poor models, those that were
infected with the virus have been kept in isolation since their
exposure years ago.  If she was used as for this purpose, she would
never be given an opportunity for retirement, as she couldn't be
socialized with other chimps and would always need to be kept alone.

The good news is this...  I have been referred to a doctor in charge
of psycho/social research.  That is a really good sign because if
Kelley is being used in this way, it is probable that she has not
been used in AIDS research. 

I don't really have any answers and until things can be all tied up
in a nice little bow, there are still a lot of gaps.  I do know that
in 2002 a list was compiled of chimps at Bastrop and Kelley's name
was on the list.  In 2005 that list was revised (unofficially) and
her name was not deleted.

I'm waiting further information -- hopefully this week -- and hope
to make contact with a couple ape trainers.  Wish me luck. 

Helen

At the risk of annoying some on the list...  I'm thinking that it's
good to pray for God's animals, too, so if you are a praying person,
I think it would be good if you'd pray for Kelley.  Thanks.











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In a message dated 3/11/2005 10:41:11 PM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I remember Rob Zombie was interviewed in one of the specials before
POTA2001 was released. I think it was the Fox special. They had a segment
about the originals and had some celeb fans. I think it was Zombie, Kevin
Smith, Will from "Will and Grace", a basketball star. There's lots of them
there fans.

Yeah, but you have to think how many of them are really fans, and how many are "fans" just because there's a camera in their face and/or they're at the premier, etc.? Things aren't always as they seem...

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rob/ron,

Sure, it's fine with me -- especially if someone might have some
ideas. I don't have a vanity issue about finding her. I just think
it's important that we do find her. I would love to hear that
someone already knows where she is!!

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> ape mom-
> i have followed your research with great interest.
> may i share your findings with some of my off-list freinds?
> rob/ron
> oosa
>
> ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> First, I'd like to thank Greg P. and James and Tim for their
> interest in the Finding Milo Project. It was very helpful to find
> the name of our chimp, and having pictures and video has been
quite
> revealing! I'm actually a bit brain dead right now, so any new
> ideas would be really appreciated.
>
> Wally Swett, Sarah Baeckler, Marc Beckoff, Robin Dickson and
> countless others have kept me focused and offered assistance with
> their human resources, and I'd like to acknowledge that any
> information that I do have is compiled from bits taken from all of
> these sources and more.
>
> Without a huge amount of confirmation, I'd like to share what I
have
> right now and the direction that my search is going.
>
> It is believed that Kelly was privately owned and "furnished" to
the
> set by Roy Kabat. There is information in Joe Russo's
book "Planet
> of the Apes Revisited" that she came from Europe. Kim talks in
the
> book about her cagemate who died of Hepatitis on the way. It was
> believed that our chimp was 6 months old at the time of filming,
> having arrived from Europe not long before that.
>
> Wally Swett from Primarily Primates was approached at one point by
> her owner to take her, but he didn't have room at his sanctuary.
He
> referred the ower to Genus pan. It is likely that she went
there.
> In any case, Wally believes that she went from there to the track
> that most chimps used in entertainment go, and that she became a
> research chimp. There is a chimp recorded at The ChimpanZoo
> database that seems to support this "history".
>
> The database has information on a female chimpanzee named Kelley
> that roughly follows the life course Mr. Swett described.
Kelley,
> stud # 0248 first shows up in the records in 1968; there is no
> information on her mother or father. It is believed that Kelley
was
> sent to the Houston Zoo in 1969 and then transferred to the
Detroit
> Zoo on February 25, 1972. Kelley then spent a number of years
> in research institutions: Lemsep (2/3/76), Southwest (9/10/79) and
> finally Bastrop (6/9/81). Kelley would be about 37 now.
>
> We were thrown by the age descrepency, as the chimp in the movie
> would have to have been about two years older than has been
> recorded. The pictures that we were able to send to Sarah
Baeckler
> confirm that the chimp in the movie was actually 18 months to 2
> years old -- meaning that the chimp didn't arrive from Europe at 6
> months old, as Kim's comments would have suggested. That would
put
> Kelley's age much closer to the age of the Bastrop chimp.
>
> I have finally made a contact at Bastrop and I should be receiving
> more information this week.
>
> The bad news is that many chimps at Bastrop were used for AIDS
> research. Although chimps proved to be poor models, those that
were
> infected with the virus have been kept in isolation since their
> exposure years ago. If she was used as for this purpose, she
would
> never be given an opportunity for retirement, as she couldn't be
> socialized with other chimps and would always need to be kept
alone.
>
> The good news is this... I have been referred to a doctor in
charge
> of psycho/social research. That is a really good sign because if
> Kelley is being used in this way, it is probable that she has not
> been used in AIDS research.
>
> I don't really have any answers and until things can be all tied
up
> in a nice little bow, there are still a lot of gaps. I do know
that
> in 2002 a list was compiled of chimps at Bastrop and Kelley's name
> was on the list. In 2005 that list was revised (unofficially) and
> her name was not deleted.
>
> I'm waiting further information -- hopefully this week -- and hope
> to make contact with a couple ape trainers. Wish me luck.
>
> Helen
>
> At the risk of annoying some on the list... I'm thinking that
it's
> good to pray for God's animals, too, so if you are a praying
person,
> I think it would be good if you'd pray for Kelley. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
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What was the title of that book? I tried to find [a title] on
Amazon, but I haven't got a clue. Thanks.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Here's a different version of the same story from Kim's book . . .
>
>
> JUST CALL ME "MUM"
>
> With two children of my own, and a long parade of theatrical
> children of all sexes, ages, shapes, and sizes . . . Motherhood
has
> become a familiar role. But I hardly dreamed I'd ever be playing
> Mother to a chimpanzee. A real live chimpanzee ... in "Escape from
> the Planet of the Apes." No John Chambers creation, this baby.
> In the story, Milo was a newborn infant. In life he was six
> months old, just off the boat from the wilds of Africa . . . with
very
> large teeth he was well-prepared to use.
> A "stand-in" Dr. Zira, complete in my makeup and costume,
> spent days with the chimp and his trainer, Jerry Campanilli, to
get
> the babe used to the smells and strange look of "evolved" apedom.
> Their first contact was not too satisfactory. Milo bit her. In a
very
> vulnerable area. The wardrobe department nastily constructed a
large
> plastic breastplate to wear under the costume for future
protection.
> Jerry also draped Milo in Pampers to eliminate possible mishaps
from
> the other end. And finally we were introduced.
> Our first meeting was fraught with trepidation. It took about an
> hour (and a great deal of sweet-talk) to get him to leave Jerry's
arms
> for mine without his baring great menacing teeth. That step
> accomplished, we were on our own. Flung into our first scene
> together. No time for palsy-walsies on Company time.
> In the shot, I was to carry Milo in my arms and run frantically
> through a derelict ship (moored in San Pedro Harbour) searching
for
> Cornelius. "Action!"
> I dutifully ran, promptly tripped over a mess of lighting cables,
> and went sprawling onto the deck. A sixth sense told me this was
no
> way to begin a meaningful relationship with my "child." Instead of
> trying to brace my fall, my arms automatically went up to keep
Milo
> from hitting the deck, too ... a saving gesture he didn't
immediately
> appreciate. I not only got a close and ominous view of every
tooth in
> his mouth, he voiced his displeasure and terror in unmistakably
rude
> tones.
> Jerry dashed to the rescue, quite sure he was going to tear me to
> shreds. And with a bravado born of ignorance, I pushed her aside.
I
> didn't know much about chimpanzees, but I knew if we didn't make
> friends again fast, we were in deep trouble. I hung on and played
> comforting "Mum" for dear life until his lips finally relaxed and
> those lethal ivories retreated. Then I gave Milo to Jerry.
> It took me a great deal longer to stop shaking. And I discovered
> all sorts of interesting bruises . . . later. But as soon as I
could stand
>
>
> without my knees buckling under, we had another go at the scene
> (the offending cables cleared away) and all went well, thank God.
> "Print!"
> We had one more tense moment the same day. Again, a
> complicated running sequence through the ship, under huge, low
> pipes and over jagged, rusty debris . . . and, though cables
weren't in
> the way, my sense of balance in that hobble skirt was sorely
tried. I
> tripped again, this time over my out-sized ape feet, but caught
myself
> in the nick and didn't sprawl. Milo was jolted considerably, gave
me a
> startled look, and then relaxed. He didn't even bare one tooth.
Trust,
> and the beginning of our love affair was underway. I was obviously
> some sort of nut come into his life, but harmless.
> Except for the latent threat of those teeth, he was just like any
> human baby . . . affectionate, curious, playful. He'd .get testy
when
> overly tired or bored. Or fly into a tantrum when denied something
> he desperately wanted. But generally he was amenable and charming.
> And a natural-born actor. However bored he might be off-camera, he
> was immediately alert and "into it" when the camera was rolling.
> Only once did he hold up the shooting.
> There was a sequence with a lot of circus animals . . . big cats,
> bears, smaller cats, and a baby elephant. Everyone was caged
except
> the elephant. And Milo was terrified of the elephant. Every time
it
> crossed his vision he'd cry out in panic, frantically free his
arms from
> his blanket and cling to my neck for dear life. Don Taylor, our
> director, finally had to settle for positioning the elephant so
Milo
> couldn't possibly see it, even if it meant the camera couldn't
either.
> The making of that third (and for me, last) Ape film was
> fascinating, but in one respect, very disconcerting. And for
insight
> into human behavior, quite as enlightening as the first, for a
slightly
> different reason.
> In the first two of the series, the apes were in the majority. We
> may have seemed strange to the outside world, but we were familiar
> and friendly beings among each other.
> In the third . . . except for the brief opening sequences when
Sal
> Mineo was with us ... Roddy McDowall and I were the only simians.
> All the rest of the cast was human. We were unmistakably the
> outsiders . . . the odd couple.
> Oh, we were treated politely and gently, and there was much of
> the easy banter and humor that permeates a happy company, and
> ours was that, but the strain people feel in trying consciously to
> communicate "unselfconsciously" with the peculiar was always
> present. We were "different''' . . . and vaguely repulsive to
human
> sensibilities.
> John Randolph (Chairman of the President's Commission in the
> film) finally verbalized it. Johnny and I have been friends for 20
> years and I had to know if I was being paranoid. He tried to
explain,
> the uneasy look in his eyes belying his jolly laughter: "Kim, I
know
>
> in my mind that behind all that foam rubber it's you, but the
> makeup is so damn realistic I feel as if I'm talking to a
creature from
> outer space. It's downright uncomfortable . . . and dammit,
> disturbing."

The only book that I'm aware of that she had written is titled 'Loose In The Kitchen'.
Amazon has an e-doc biography on her titled 'Contemporary Authors : Biography -
Hunter, Kim (1922-2002)'.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> What was the title of that book? I tried to find [a title] on
> Amazon, but I haven't got a clue. Thanks.
>
> Helen

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In a message dated 3/14/2005 3:13:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I tried to find [a title] on
Amazon, but I haven't got a clue.  Thanks.

It's not a common book but not rare either.

Alibris has half a dozen copies listed, from

just under $20 to over $50, depending on

the seller and the condition of the book.

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Nice piece of Simian Wisdom there, Elaine!

Thanks for putting them all up on the homepage, James. It's a nice
addition.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> This week's Lesson has been posted and is ready to view. We've now
given the Lessons their own web page that can be assessed here:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm or by
clicking the banner on the Yahoo home page. This will make it easier
for everyone to view the current Lesson as well as past ones.
>
> Thank you to Elaine for contributing the text of this week's
lesson. And thank you to everyone else that has contributed. We now
have quite a backlog.
>
> If anyone else would like to contribute either text or art, please
let us know. Thanks.

It was strange to hear James Naughton's voice over for a Viagra-like
product on television last night. He says something like "When the
moment is right, you want to be ready." My son actually recognized
the voice... but didn't really GET what he was selling.

I guess it pays the bills.

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In a message dated 3/14/2005 8:37:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, protozaius@... writes:

It was strange to hear James Naughton's voice over for a Viagra-like
product on television last night.  He says something like "When the
moment is right, you want to be ready." My son actually recognized
the voice... but didn't really GET what he was selling.

 

That's funny, I meant to ask you guys today if that was him doing the Cialis commercial, because I knew it was -- had to be.  I guess I'm so used to hearing him doing the Prilosec commercial it didn't really register until today.  I'm glad someone else mentioned it, or I would have forgotten about it until the next time it came on.

 

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He hawks Cialis, a Viagraesque thing. But for erections lasting over 4
hours you should see your doctor (*snicker!*). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "protozaius" <protozaius@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] James Naughton commerical


>
>
>
> It was strange to hear James Naughton's voice over for a Viagra-like
> product on television last night. He says something like "When the
> moment is right, you want to be ready." My son actually recognized
> the voice... but didn't really GET what he was selling.
>
> I guess it pays the bills.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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In a message dated 3/15/2005 5:06:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  He hawks Cialis, a Viagraesque thing. But for erections lasting over 4
hours you should see your doctor (*snicker!*). - - - Jeff

 

4 hours?  Ha!  That's the weekend pill!

If I don't get a 36 hour erection I want my money back!

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Please guys. You're scaring small children.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/15/2005 5:06:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
> He hawks Cialis, a Viagraesque thing. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> 4 hours? Ha! That's the weekend pill!
>

I've personally nicknamed those commercials "James and the Giant Pill."

Oh how the mighty have fallen...and this guy is embarressed about the time he spent
on POTA????

Matt

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> Please guys. You're scaring small children.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 3/15/2005 5:06:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > veetus@e... writes:
> >
> > He hawks Cialis, a Viagraesque thing. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > 4 hours? Ha! That's the weekend pill!
> >

Is it ever made clear whether Mendez in Beneath is aware that his
bomb is the big one, the one to wipe everything out, as opposed to
just blasting Ape City away? In the Battle novel, it's clear in the
end that the first Mendez knows the power of the device, but I'm not
sure that his successor knows that he's planning on killing
everyone.I've always thought that Mendez is one of the great
undeveloped characters in Apes--a pacifist with his finger on the
biggest bomb in history. John, Scrolls.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...>
wrote:

>
>
> Is it ever made clear whether Mendez in Beneath is aware that

his

> bomb is the big one, the one to wipe everything out, as

opposed to

> just blasting Ape City away?

I'd say, no, he's not aware.

I'm working from memory here but at one point doesn't someone
say something like "Do you know the range of thier city, then set
the coordinates"?" Pretty irrelevant given the bombs power. And
when Taylor clues Brent in on the device he (Brent) says
something like "My God, those bloody fools, they don't know what
they've got."

What a man, that Brent eh... I bet he never needed Cialis!

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> With the 3rd season of "Land of the Lost" (where Ron Harper

replaced the father in the series) coming out on DVD in a couple
months or so, here's some quotes from Ron about the show.

I can't remember ever having seen this show in the UK but
judging from those quotes it's a must have.

Dave B

I have been reduced to lurker status by my blasted computer, but rest
assured that I am trying to keep up with everything here! I just
felt the need to post this.. In Daily Variety last year December it
was said that Mary Steenburgen and Ted Danson have continued the
parties that Roddy McDowall used to have at his house. They are also
using the parties to bring a highlight on the MPTF that Roddy so
supported and where his sister now resides. I have a Meetup group
started for Roddy, and wanted to know if there is anyone in the Tampa
Bay area that would like to meet up once a month for dinner, to
discuss Roddy and support the MPTF. If so, you can go to Meetup.com
and look up the group there and it gives all the details on where to
meet, the time, etc..it's free folks and it sounds like a blast...I
belong to a lot of groups there and it's fun just to meet up with
people with like minds...like a minicon! This is the only group for
Roddy in the WORLD, it says group #1 ;). You can contact me or the
meetup website, whichever! Lynne Miller

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In a message dated 3/15/2005 7:51:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, mtotsky@... writes:

...and this guy is embarressed about the time he spent
on POTA????

Yeah, serves him right!

Not exactly Shakespeare.

 

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In a message dated 3/15/2005 7:00:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Please guys. You're scaring small children.

Well, if an atomic bomb destroying the entire world doesn't scare them . . .

 

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 3/15/05 8:51:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtotsky@... writes:

I've personally nicknamed those commercials "James and the Giant Pill."

Oh how the mighty have fallen...and this guy is embarressed about the time he spent
on POTA????

Matt

The dude has to make a living.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Do these LOTL DVD's have a blooper reel?
I wonder if there's any out takes where Harper and Cha-ka have POTA inspired
humour:

"Going without the glyphs today, are you?"

"I don't know what you're saying, but no, I'm not one of the fugitives."

"Did you just say Burke's your Daddy?"

"Don't you need to see an ape about a horse?"

Dan

> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:15:30 -0800
> From: <veetus@...>
> Subject: Ron Harper on "Land of the Lost"
>
> With the 3rd season of "Land of the Lost" (where Ron Harper replaced the

father in the series) coming out on DVD in a couple months or so, here's
some quotes from Ron about the show. It's from the book "Fighting Apes in
the Kitchen" by Ron Harper. No, it's from the book "Pufnstuf and Other
stuff" by David Martindale (1998):

> Ron: "Believe it or not, people still come up to me and tell me how much

they loved that show. I am constantly amazed at how many people will
recognize me from "Land of the Lost" and remember the show. And they say, 'I
was only 5 at the time, but I can remember it very well'.

> "And I think it was primarily because the stories were so good.I had

just finished doing POTA, the nighttime series, which you would expect to be
betterwritten than a children's show on Saturday mornings. But I thought the
stories on LOTL were much more interesting. We reworked so many old legends,
the Flying Dutchman, the Medusa. I remember our producer, he said that was
the most fun that he had, writing stories that experimented with ancient
myths and fables. It was ambitious.

> "I have an eight - year-old daughter and she has seen them all. It's her

favorite show. And I don't think it has anything to do with my being in
them. It's because it's a good show".

> Ron: "I was crossing hand over hand on a rope from some gorge. I

remember they had a rope strung up with the blue screen behind me. And I had
a bad back from when I was doing POTA, from a mechanical bucking horse that
they had strapped me into ("The Horse Race"). So I was to do hand over hand
on this rope, but I had a hell of a time doing it, mainly because my back
was so sore. And I remember it was so difficult and finally they put some
boxes under me".

> Ron: "You will probably recall seeing the father in that episode (the

first episode of the third season), even though the actor didn't appear in
the third year. I believe they wanted him to come back and do one episode
where he disappeared. But actually it was our producer with a black wig on.
You only saw him from the back. Our producer put on a black wig and a khaki
shirt and he went into the pylon. That was him".

> -

- - Jeff

>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" <mtotsky@y...> wrote:

>.Oh how the mighty have fallen...and this guy is embarressed about

the time he spent

> on POTA????
> Matt

Good point, Matt. Surely Naughton's work on POTA is much better than
that purple digestion pill commercial JN has been doing.
Menluth.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 3/15/2005 7:49:36 PM Central Standard Time, mystic4ever@... writes:

Do these LOTL DVD's have a blooper reel?

No... They have interviews with cast members & writers, a trivia game, and full length commentary on a few of the episodes...

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Probably Naughton doesn't want to discuss THAT either with fans of the
purple pill, or autograph their cartons. He'd rather talk about his two
Tonys. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Menluth" <menluth@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] James Naughton commerical


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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" <mtotsky@y...> wrote:
> >.Oh how the mighty have fallen...and this guy is embarressed about
> the time he spent
> > on POTA????
> > Matt
>
> Good point, Matt. Surely Naughton's work on POTA is much better than
> that purple digestion pill commercial JN has been doing.
> Menluth.
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> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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No...Unfortunately...

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
>
> Do these LOTL DVD's have a blooper reel?
> I wonder if there's any out takes where Harper and Cha-ka have POTA
inspired
> humour:
>
> "Going without the glyphs today, are you?"
>
> "I don't know what you're saying, but no, I'm not one of the
fugitives."
>
> "Did you just say Burke's your Daddy?"
>
> "Don't you need to see an ape about a horse?"
>
> Dan

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In a message dated 3/15/2005 7:56:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, menluth@... writes:

Good point, Matt. Surely Naughton's work on POTA is much better than
that purple digestion pill commercial JN has been doing.

 

And I'm sure that Kim would have liked to have been more know for

Academy Award caliber acting as Stella in a Tennessee Williams

Broadway drama, but lets face it, talking monkeys are just cool!

 

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In a message dated 3/15/2005 11:19:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

   Probably Naughton doesn't want to discuss THAT either with fans of the
purple pill, or autograph their cartons. He'd rather talk about his two
Tonys. - - - Jeff

 

I'll consider the meds on their merits with the ailments,

not because he's their company mouth piece.

 

Right now I'm a Pepcid man, and don't require

any help in the 'other' department.

 

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