----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:06 PM

Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: POTA lover aboard...

In some interview (maybe on the DVD) Baker says he
told them to get actors with small feautures... .when
they cast Roth, Baker said he went to Zanuck with
"What part of "no big noses" didn't you understand?

Tim

--- LordTZer0@AOL. com wrote:
I'm amazed they could even use Roth
> with
> his enormous neb. Baker did an admirable job
> working around
> his schnoz.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:14 AM

Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Deleted Scenes

In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:20:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes:

But if they do have them , whats the point of vaulting them , especially for this long? who know's with Fox though.

 

To preserve them.

Film stock degrades over time,

especially if not stored in a cool

dry place.  However, even when stored

properly it will still deteriorate.  If they're

going to preserve them, the sooner the

better.  But film preservation is expensive.

Many films have already been lost because

they were not considered good enough to

bother to save them. Sometimes a print will

turn up that in good enough shape to run

through the machine once or twice before

it turns to dust.  But unless it's considered

a classic, or has historic value, the studio

won't bother saving it if they can't make

their money back on it. That's Show Biz.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: rassmguy

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:28 PM

Subject: [POTA] Re: Return to the Planet of the Apes

An excellent review of Return! I agree with many of your points, though I do enjoy the
series nonetheless. One
minor correction, though -- "The time line is smashed here as well, since the three astros
landed on earth 2 years
(3978) after Taylor has blown it up!" Putting the 3955 error aside, this series doesn't take
place after Taylor blows
up the Earth. The first film takes place in 3978, and many fans place the second film in
3979 to allow for enough
time to pass to have the trial, the marriage and other events that must pass between films.
So although the cartoon
is a continuity nightmare on other levels, the year is okay. The bigger issue is that it just
doesn't fit what we see in
the films for that era.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Mithril1960@ ... wrote:
>
> One of the nice things about Fox releasing the Ultimate Apes DVD set is that
> they included the 13 episodes of the cartoon. When I was younger, I was much
> more fanatical about my devotion to things like Apes and Star Trek. But now
> 30 years later, thousands of hours of movies/toon/ etc. under my belt, I can
> look at this with a less jaundiced eye.
>
> It's obvious that the Apes Toon was made simply to make some more money off
> the Apes Franchise. Apes predates Star Trek in its mass marketing and the
> monies Fox made off licensing everything to do with the series. Watching the toon
> now it did have some good points, they were just overshadowed by the bad.
> It's clear that some writers took a bit of care in their story telling, but a
> little bit of attention to continuity (although who would have ever expected
> DVD and such to bring such things back to the veiwing public?), a mistake
> started with Beneath with the 3955 comment...
>
> Anyhow the main problem with Apes is laziness or possibly cheapness.
> Depatie-Freeling were a horrid animation department, right down there with Filmation
> (who I'd rate a little higher than DF). Giving the apes technology was just
> a lazy way out. Watch when the vehicles move. It's obvious that the animation
> practice is of a kind not seen since Marvel did their early shows; you know
> the one with Captain America and Iron Man, where images were just moved
> across a static background. There is no consistency with the illustrations either;
> the main humans look like they came from Jonny Quest (thanks to Doug Widley
> being involved) and at other times all characters look grotesque. The same
> backgrounds are used ala Hanna-Barbera, the kings of cheap animation, over and
> over. The studios use of a Gemini style spacecraft for the astronauts is just
> atrocious! And some of the later episodes, with giant monsters are just
> laziness on the part of the scripters as well as underestimating the intelligence
> of the veiwers.
>
> The opening of the show, which lifts some scenes from Beneath is pretty
> interesting as is the main title music. I could do without the guy saying "RETURN
> TO THE PLANET OF THE APES!" quite so dramatically, since it sounds corny.
>
> The names used are a mish-mosh from the films and the TV series; Urko, Zaius
> (how many damn Zaius are there? Is that name like Smith is today?),
> Cornelius, Zira and Nova. The color schemes are horrendous. An orange suited Urko
> doesn't frighten anyone, although Zauis white suit reminds me of Picard's in
> Star Trek: Insurrection. The time line is smashed here as well, since the three
> astros landed on earth 2 years (3978) after Taylor has blown it up! (Perhaps
> the AO only wiped out the east coast? I'm not even going to think about this).
>
> The underdwellers were a good idea gone haywire. Turning U-S-A into USA was
> well done, but what's up with them? Are thier powers real or hypnotic? Some of
> them shoot raybeams out of their eyes (the ricochets of which sound like
> bullets) other times its illusion. They have a much higher technological base
> than the Apes making mountains rise and fall for protection. If they have this
> much tech, why do they need a prophecy to be filled to retake the earth?
> Likely a writer thought it sounded cool.
>
> Overall, I do like the toon. It takes a great many liberties, mixing in the
> films, the TV show, the Boulle book - but it isn't dull. If DF had taken a
> little time and thought, it could have been a really great toon rather than just
> a sideshow of the franchise. Still, I do like it more than Burton's travesty
> of a film! A few more voices would have helped...
>
>
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their
> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The chronology I did assumes two timelines (one with the TV show
and the first two movies, and the second with the last 3 movies and the
cartoon show; plus the comics where applicable, the idea was to include
everything). Because the cartoon series was so different it made sense
(to me) to use it to show what happened to ape society in Caesar's
timeline. Yeah, it's a bummer apes and humans don't get along (hinted
at at the end of "Battle", the pulling of the ponytail) but the world
got past 3955 and the world wasn't destroyed, so Caesar succeeded to a
degree. Fine, tar and feather me. No, tar and put a chimp appliance on
me. - - - Jeff

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Really? I found it with out much problem.
> Try searching by title and author.
>
> The Legend of the "Planet of the Apes" (Paperback)
> by _Brian Penreigh_
> (http://www.amazon.com/s/104-5478110-2759126?
ie=UTF8&index=books&rank=-relevance,+availability,-daterank&field-
author-exact=Brian%20Penr
> eigh)
>

Today is a bit of an anniversary for me. Thirty-three years ago today, I saw Battle for the first time. A few weeks earlier, I had seen the Battle poster up in the theater lobby under 'Coming Soon' and it looked so damn cool. I was there to see 'The Poseidon Adventure' (the first time I had seen Roddy without the makeup) and asked when Battle would be opening. They told me Friday, July 13th.

>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2006 4:44:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> thadesdarlinghuman@... writes:
>
> NO SOUP FOR YOU...!!!
>
>
>
> Does that mean no bread too? The guy before me got bread....
>
> Sure... You can have some bread, too...

>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear

> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman" <thadesdarlinghuman@...> wrote:
>
> I feel as if I really don't fit in sometimes...
>

Welcome to the human race!

Happy Friday everyone. A new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thank you to Dave Ballard and everyone else who contributed.

To view the Lesson just click the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Brian's book often appears on eBay - particularly the UK branch,
> (although, sod's law, there's none on offer right now) and can be
> picked up for a modest price. IMHO it's an essential purchase. It's
> focus is on the original movie, not the whole franchise. Personally I
> find it sits quite happilly, side by side with Joe's book (an equally
> essential purchase).
>
> Dave
>

----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:16 PM

Subject: [POTA] An Anniversary

Today is a bit of an anniversary for me. Thirty-three years ago today, I saw Battle for the first time. A few weeks earlier, I had seen the Battle poster up in the theater lobby under 'Coming Soon' and it looked so damn cool. I was there to see 'The Poseidon Adventure' (the first time I had seen Roddy without the makeup) and asked when Battle would be opening. They told me Friday, July 13th.

I spent the next few weeks counting the days until the film opened. A wait made easier by a trip to Disney World the week prior. (We got back on the 12th, which was my first time on an airplane.) I remember going bed the night before and trying to fall asleep as fast as possible so morning would come quickly. Sort of like on Christmas Eve.

The next morning I ran to get the newspaper to see the full page ad for the film and check the time of the first showing. At noon, my big brother took me to the theater and we found out there was a second feature playing with Battle, the original 'Planet of the Apes' (which I had only seen 1 time before when I was 6). WOW, two Apes for the price of one. I was in heaven.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
> "You Maniacs... you blew it up! God damn you, god damn you all to hell."
>
> "The only good human, is a dead human!"
>
> Taylors opening Monologue from Planet
>
> The quote Cornelius reads (and 'rereads in Beneath's opening) from the
> Sacred Scrolls. "Beware the beast man..."
>
> Ceasars end speech from Conquest
>
> "A city of APES?"
>
> "This is the Instrument of My God."
>
> "We reveal our innmost self unto our God."
>
> Mendez speech at the end of the uncut Battle.
>
> "GET YOUR STINKING PAWS OFF ME YOU DAMN DIRTY APE!"
>
> "Welcome Gentlemen to the Unites States...."
>
> "Because I loathe and detest Bananas!"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2006 3:20:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Mithril1960@... writes:
>
> i saw it the same way, with Planet (which was the first time I'd
seen it)
> but it was earlier, in June just before I graduated from Junior
High School. I
> saw it at the Beverly Theater in Brooklyn (long gone). Then the
same day I
> graduated from Junior High a friend and I went to the Walker
Theater to see all
> five at the GO APE festival and they showed them in this order:
>
> Escape
> Conquest
> Battle
> Planet
> Beneath
>
>
>
>
> I saw it at the Walker Theatre too in that order but they emptied
the
> theatre after Battle and we would have to pay again to see Planet
and Beneath! My
> friends and I refused to leave and the ushers (literally) carried
us out of
> the theatre and threw us on the sidewalk face first! Ah,
memories...
> Bruce
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
> That's the one! Now it's a freaking Mandies! There's a great
pizzeria across
> the street and I graduated from FDR High School there!
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
> While I haunted the Beverly and the Walker, my favorite theater in
Brooklyn
> was The Oriental. it was a grand old place that, even when it
became a
> Triplex, was still huge inside. I only wish I'd seen some apes
there.
>
> I saw Planet, Escape and Battle at the Beverly.
> I saw all Five (second run) at the Walker
> I saw Conquest at the Sunrise drive-in! (Thanks Pop!) The second
feature was
> The Hot Rock with Robert Redford!
>

>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2006 1:46:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Mithril1960@... writes:
>
> "Because I loathe and detest Bananas!"
>
>
>
> This is a misquote.
> She never said detest.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Some of the younger people here might not remember that theatres
used to have
> ushers and that kids not accompanied by adults could only get into
matinees
> and had to sit in a certain section.
>
> This really used to piss me off as a kid because I was often just
dropped off
> at the theatre by my mother. I remember when I went to go see
PLANET by
> myself once in 1969 that I wanted to sit right in the middle of
the theatre to
> watch it, but the "kid's section" was on the right side facing the
screen and so
> they made me sit over on the side. Bastards! I'll still pissed
to this day!
>
> I also remember that once I wasn't able to get into a theatre to
see the John
> Wayne movie RIO LOBO because the "Kid's Usher" had called in
sick! Man, was
> I made, almost as much as I was when I got turned away from
DRACULA HAS RISEN
> FROM THE GRAVE because it was rated M!
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
> So many great theatres in the US are gone now. All we have is the
huge
> Multiplexes.
>
> Bruce
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
> I remember the Oriental. Saw many films there after the Walker hit
> the skids. I don't remember the Beverly though. Where was that?
> Ah the Beverly, it was on McDonald avenue and Church. I saw The
Andromeda
> Strain there...
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
> There's one classic theatre left in Brooklyn but its been closed for
many
> years and a group is fighting to restore it before it falls apart
completely.
> The Loew's Alpine, an 85-year old classic is still open and has been
> redesigned into a 7-theatre multiplex. The only thing that looks the
same is the
> marquee.
> Bruce
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> I wonder why that is.
> Only the fourth one was PG.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I can't remember if it was warm, but it couldn't have
> been too cool because I also remember going for Carvel afterward.
>
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy <valwp@...> wrote:
>
> Well, here it is, Simian Scrolls #12, available for ordering in
the US. This time around is a TV show issue, beautifully
illustrated, with interviews with Booth Coleman, Beverly Garland
("Wanda"), and Joanna Barnes ("Carsia"). Also included in a review
of the TV series soundtrack and an *amazing* find for ape fans from
Mark Rogers.
>
> It's $6, but if you mention our group here, you get a $1.00
discount. I take cash or checks only - drop me an email at valwp@...
and I'll send you the address. I think the fanzine has outdone
itself this time:) I'd like to thank John and Dave and all the other
contributors - you keep apes alive for the fans.
> ---Kassidy
>
> Some reviews:
> Thank you for another excellent edition of Simian Scrolls. As
always, very well produced and put together!
> Clive Pugh
>
> Congratulations on another sparkling issue.
> Rich Cross
>
> I don't know how you do it but you produce a quality magazine
every time. The articles exemplify to me what it's all about – fans
sharing with other fans.
> Mike McColm
>
> Thank you for a superb publication, it really made my day!
> Kevin Baker
>
> As always another great issue!
> Calvin Wiseman
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

> Brooklyn is part of the Island, you know.
>
> -- Rory
>

> In a message dated 7/16/06 6:30:45 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
>
> >
> > I saw the Go Ape Five Film Fest twice.
> >
> >
> >
>
> So did I, and two days in a row. I was a POTA
> addict. I've have gone every
> day the theatre had the thing -- if I could have.
>
> -- Rory
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Wendy Kostora

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:26 PM

Subject: RE: [POTA] Re: Favorite Theater/Where did you see the Apes films first?

 

I first saw the POTA movies on the TV. However, later on, I had the privilege to see all five films for a movie marathon at the Highland Movie Theatre in Albuquerque New Mexico. (Albuquerque is where Bug Bunny always makes that wrong turn ending up Looney Tune Land.)  The movie theatre at that time had the biggest screen in town. It's where Star Wars and it's sequels premiered and played. The marathon was great opportunity to see all five films on large silver screen. I was also delighted to see all those deleted scenes you all have been talking about. 

Watching POTA from dust to dawn was a very interesting experience. When it was over, I, ready to take a good long nap, stepped outside the theatre and watched the sun rise. It indeed was a profound moment,  like a Space Odyssey moment.

The old movie theatre is on Route 66---Centeral Ave. A historical land mark, the theatre is now a musical theatre.

Wendy

---

From: Haristas@...
Reply-To: pota@yahoogroups.com
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [POTA] Re: Favorite Theater/Where did you see the Apes films first?
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:15:55 EDT

In a message dated 7/15/06 1:50:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Saw Planet at the Walker sometime in 1968. The second feature
was 'One Million B.C.' with Raquel Welch. A fur bikini double
feature;-)

I sometimes have a ONE MILLION YEARS B.C./PLANET OF THE APES double feature on my DVD player!

-- Rory

>
> I've never seen any of the original five movies in the cinema,

> a big regret.