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I certainly would love to see extended or deleted scenes from the first four APES movies.  BATTLE already has been reissued with those scenes.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/09/06 20:51:07 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] Re: Off topic Superman 2   In a message dated 7/9/2006 6:13:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes: Off Topic , but cool Posted by: "kidro85@..." kidro85@...   classicapes Sun Jul 9, 2006 1:19 am (PST) Of course this is not ape related, but it would be awesome if someone could get something going like this for any or all of the POTA films that have any deleted/extended scenes. The quality of the Restored Superman 2 DVD isn't top notch, but its the best your going to get.        T _http://www.superman cinema.co. uk/superman2/ real_s2/ric/ default.asp_ ( http://www.superman cinema.co. uk/superman2/ real_s2/ric/ default.asp) Actually there is going to be a massive Ultimate Superman DVD set to be released with the Superman Returns DVD release. Each movie is two discs and Donner's version is restored in FULL in all its glory. As far as I know its for USA, region 1................joe O'Brien

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Zach,

If you double click on the scans of the Heralds on the page, full
size versions will come-up in a pop-up window. If you have pop-up
blocking software, you'll need to disable it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Zachary Scott" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> Is it possible that someone could scan for me the Mutant News as
well as the
> other Apes newspapers, because they're too small to read once
they're fully
> downloaded.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Zach
>

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Thanks, I'll do that!   Zach       -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/10/06 11:59:17 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] Re: New Additions to the Group Website   Zach, If you double click on the scans of the Heralds on the page, full size versions will come-up in a pop-up window. If you have pop-up blocking software, you'll need to disable it. --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Zachary Scott" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote: > > Is it possible that someone could scan for me the Mutant News as well as the > other Apes newspapers, because they're too small to read once they're fully > downloaded. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Zach >

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Last night VH-1 premiered a new series, "I Love the '70s: Volume II". The first episode was dedicated to 1970 and the very first shot is of Ursus shouting 'The only good human is a dead human'. There is also a full segement dedicated to Beneath at the end of the show. Other movies from featured were 'Patton', 'MASH' and 'Airport'. Considering that these three were all Academy Award winners; Beneath wasn't in bad company. This episode will be repeated tonite at Midnight (Eastern Time).

Also, the episode dedicated to 1971 premieres tonight at 9PM (EDT) and repeats at 1AM. 1972 is tomorrow at 9, 1973 is Wednesday at 9 and so on. It will be interesting to see if they feature the other sequels and the TV show in subsequent episodes.

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Regarding Thade, I loved the design of the character - it's a terrific
make up and costume - but I didn't care much for Roth's performance.
Now I like Roth, I think his bad guy in 'Rob Roy' is one of cinema's
best, but all that grunting, snarling, hissing and grinding of teeth
as Thade (Sometimes in a single line of dialogue!)irritated me.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@... wrote:
>
> I am also a Thade lover, he was the best part of the movie. Elaine
>

Regarding Thade, I loved the design of the character - it's a terrific
make up and costume - but I didn't care much for Roth's performance.
Now I like Roth, I think his bad guy in 'Rob Roy' is one of cinema's
best, but all that grunting, snarling, hissing and grinding of teeth
as Thade (Sometimes in a single line of dialogue!)irritated me.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, taebokitti@. .. wrote:
>
> I am also a Thade lover, he was the best part of the movie. Elaine
>

---

How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

At least you're all not afraid to admit it!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> Last night VH-1 premiered a new series, "I Love the '70s: Volume

II".

> The first episode was dedicated to 1970 and the very first shot is

of

> Ursus shouting 'The only good human is a dead human'. There is

also a

> full segement dedicated to Beneath at the end of the show. Other

movies

> from featured were 'Patton', 'MASH' and 'Airport'. Considering that
> these three were all Academy Award winners; Beneath wasn't in bad
> company. This episode will be repeated tonite at Midnight (Eastern
> Time).
>
> Also, the episode dedicated to 1971 premieres tonight at 9PM (EDT)

and

> repeats at 1AM. 1972 is tomorrow at 9, 1973 is Wednesday at 9 and

so on.

> It will be interesting to see if they feature the other sequels

and the

> TV show in subsequent episodes.
>

I saw it! About damned time they got recognition!
Sorry 'bout the "damned"part...
Those are lost moments only to haunt us (or perhaps, our
grandchildren, in time).
I do believe "science" hides fact.
Did we really see "Oliver's" DNA?
Or only what "THEY" wanted "US" to see...?
Pierre Boulle had a vision as did H.G. Wells...
Who knows...
We F***ed this world up. It's time for a revolt...
What better fitting than our ancient cousin: the chimpanzee?
They think and they FEEL...
Cutting off, now...
I tend to ramble...

Love you,

Thade's darling human

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Click <thadesdarlinghuman@...> wrote:

>
> Thade IS all snarls and grinding teeth...
> He IS a menacing chimp out to wipe out anything threatening his

perfect world.

> That is Thade's goal...
> He wants nothing more than to preserve his world ...
> No hard feelings...
>

None taken... And you make a good point, it just shows that 'one man's
meat is another man's poison'. I get that he's supposed to be
something of a force of nature but I feel he's also supposed to be
intelligent, cunning and crafty and those aspects didn't come across
for me. Compared to the other apes in the movie he seemed too bestial,
like he only evolved the day before.

Dave

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I saw that last night and recorded it on a blank DVD.  ANYTHING about APES is always welcomed, as far as I'm concerned!   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/10/06 19:56:24 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] I Love the '70s: Volume II   Last night VH-1 premiered a new series, "I Love the '70s: Volume II". The first episode was dedicated to 1970 and the very first shot is of Ursus shouting 'The only good human is a dead human'. There is also a full segement dedicated to Beneath at the end of the show. Other movies from featured were 'Patton', 'MASH' and 'Airport'. Considering that these three were all Academy Award winners; Beneath wasn't in bad company. This episode will be repeated tonite at Midnight (Eastern Time). Also, the episode dedicated to 1971 premieres tonight at 9PM (EDT) and repeats at 1AM. 1972 is tomorrow at 9, 1973 is Wednesday at 9 and so on. It will be interesting to see if they feature the other sequels and the TV show in subsequent episodes.

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Unfortunately the 1971 episode didn't feature Escape so it may be
unlikely that the '72 & '73 episodes will have anything about Conquest
& Battle. Maybe the '74 episode will feature the TV series. That's when
the merchandising blitz began as well.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Zachary Scott" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> I saw that last night and recorded it on a blank DVD. ANYTHING about
APES
> is always welcomed, as far as I'm concerned!
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@... wrote:

>

But wouldn't

> an angry chimp hiss, grind and grunt? Elaine

A wild one, yes. An evolved one? I'd expect not so much.

Dave

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Regarding Thade, I loved the design of the character - it's a terrific
make up and costume - but I didn't care much for Roth's performance.
Now I like Roth, I think his bad guy in 'Rob Roy' is one of cinema's
best, but all that grunting, snarling, hissing and grinding of teeth
as Thade (Sometimes in a single line of dialogue!)irritated me.

Dave

Thade was as ill-conceived as the entire film.  I didn't agree with the entire approach of having the apes behave more like primitive primates than as civilized beings.  It was anti-Boulle.  The character really jumped the shark for me when he beat to death the two gorillas.

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I'll jump in on Thade too...
I though he looked great and that he was the most
interesting character....I guess my only problem was
that Roth , who overall gave a fascinating
performance, did make him too
one-dimensional....ALWAYS mad....it would have been
interesting to see him maybe at the dinner scene to
relax and be himself, then perhaps get upset when Leo
comes in .....something to break up the
snarling....although seeing him shivering and scared
at the end was interesting..
Tim

--- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Click
> <thadesdarlinghuman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thade IS all snarls and grinding teeth...
> > He IS a menacing chimp out to wipe out
> anything threatening his
> perfect world.
> > That is Thade's goal...
> > He wants nothing more than to preserve his
> world ...
> > No hard feelings...
> >
>
> None taken... And you make a good point, it just
> shows that 'one man's
> meat is another man's poison'. I get that he's
> supposed to be
> something of a force of nature but I feel he's also
> supposed to be
> intelligent, cunning and crafty and those aspects
> didn't come across
> for me. Compared to the other apes in the movie he
> seemed too bestial,
> like he only evolved the day before.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:14 AM

Subject: [POTA] Re: POTA lover aboard...

In a message dated 7/11/06 1:48:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smugster2000@... writes:

Regarding Thade, I loved the design of the character - it's a terrific
make up and costume - but I didn't care much for Roth's performance.
Now I like Roth, I think his bad guy in 'Rob Roy' is one of cinema's
best, but all that grunting, snarling, hissing and grinding of teeth
as Thade (Sometimes in a single line of dialogue!)irritated me.

Dave

Thade was as ill-conceived as the entire film.  I didn't agree with the entire approach of having the apes behave more like primitive primates than as civilized beings.  It was anti-Boulle.  The character really jumped the shark for me when he beat to death the two gorillas.

Oh!  What a horrible movie!

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dave B

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:12 PM

Subject: [POTA] Re: POTA lover aboard...

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Jackie Click <thadesdarlinghuman @...> wrote:
>
> Thade IS all snarls and grinding teeth...
> He IS a menacing chimp out to wipe out anything threatening his
perfect world.
> That is Thade's goal...
> He wants nothing more than to preserve his world ...
> No hard feelings...
>

None taken... And you make a good point, it just shows that 'one man's
meat is another man's poison'. I get that he's supposed to be
something of a force of nature but I feel he's also supposed to be
intelligent, cunning and crafty and those aspects didn't come across
for me. Compared to the other apes in the movie he seemed too bestial,
like he only evolved the day before.

Dave

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In a message dated 7/11/2006 7:16:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Regarding Thade, I loved the design of the character - it's a terrific
make up and costume - but I didn't care much for Roth's performance.
Now I like Roth, I think his bad guy in 'Rob Roy' is one of cinema's
best, but all that grunting, snarling, hissing and grinding of teeth
as Thade (Sometimes in a single line of dialogue!)irritated me.

 

If you've seen the out takes, the snarling Thade was actually

an improvement.  I'm amazed they could even use Roth with

his enormous neb.  Baker did an admirable job working around

his schnoz.  But his character has only two speeds, angry and

psycho nuts. One of the flaws that riddle the film like Swiss-cheese.

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Thade is a character that could have been brilliant but got subsumed
in the overall mess that was Burton's Apes.Thade was originally going
to be an albino gorilla(and still is in the junior novel of the
movie!) but I think Tim Roth made the point that, in reality, chimps
are the real bastards.Tim Roth is possibly my favourite actor ever(as
Archie in Rob Roy he's just astonishing) but I feel the make-up in
Apes just smothered his performance.Thade really evolves in the
junior novels, oddly enough, but probably only a handful of people
have ever seen those.The best bad guy by far is still Urko.John,
Scrolls.

>

wrote:thankyouverymuch... :)

> > (no fancy emoticons here)
> > I saw "Planet of the Apes" on the "BIG SCREEN" long ago and fell
> > in love with them at the tender age of seven. By the
> > time "Escape..." came out, I was writing sequals and never

stopped.

> > I ramble about things and place articles about new-found planets
> > in hope of a new race,i.e, a planet of apes... scary, isn't it?
> > I carry on about cryogenics and awakening in the future to
> > perhaps find that "THEY" have inherited the earth and established

a

> > speech pattern (even scarier, huh?).
> > If I am too far out for your site, please let me know. If
> > you're a bit curious about my writing, please visit my blog:
> > http://ThadesJourney.blogstream.com By the time I'm done it will
> > be about four-hundred pages with a conclusion to follow.
> > Thank you for your time,
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Thades darling human
> >
> >
> >
>

It would be great if the DVDs included deleted and extended scenes as
part of the special features. There is also reportedly an R rated
version of Conquest that was used in early audience tests. I would be
nice if they released that as well. Unfortunately, unlike the extended
version of Battle which was shown in syndication and on cable for
years, no one has seen the alternate version of Conquest or deleted
scenes from the other films in over 30 years. So it is unknown if the
footage still exists.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Zachary Scott" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> I certainly would love to see extended or deleted scenes from the
first four
> APES movies. BATTLE already has been reissued with those scenes.
>
>
>
> Zach
>

In some interview (maybe on the DVD) Baker says he
told them to get actors with small feautures....when
they cast Roth, Baker said he went to Zanuck with
"What part of "no big noses" didn't you understand?

Tim

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:
I'm amazed they could even use Roth

> with
> his enormous neb. Baker did an admirable job
> working around
> his schnoz.

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In a message dated 7/11/2006 6:33:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, john@... writes:

The best bad guy by far is still Urko

 

Not to me.

None of the Gorilla Heavies could to

James Gregory's Ursus, and his Only Good Human speech.

 

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In a message dated 7/11/2006 1:16:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Baker did an admirable job working around

his schnoz. 

They should have made him a proboscis monkey!

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments. Governments should fear their people."
V; V for Vendetta.

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In a message dated 7/11/2006 6:26:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Not to me.

None of the Gorilla Heavies could to

James Gregory's Ursus, and his Only Good Human speech.

Hear! Hear! Ursus would have kicked Urko's ass twenty times over.

 

IF WE CAN'T SHOOT IT DOWN, WE'LL HAUL IT DOWN!

 

But my favorite line is the sneeringly good; "YOUR GOD DIDN"T SAVE YOU, DID HE?"

 

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments. Governments should fear their people."
V; V for Vendetta.

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I always felt the understated "So be it." line, after the "Holy War"
prayer, really spoke volumes about Ursus' character...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/11/2006 6:26:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
> Not to me.
> None of the Gorilla Heavies could to
> James Gregory's Ursus, and his Only Good Human speech.
>
>
>
>
> Hear! Hear! Ursus would have kicked Urko's ass twenty times over.
>
> IF WE CAN'T SHOOT IT DOWN, WE'LL HAUL IT DOWN!
>
> But my favorite line is the sneeringly good; "YOUR GOD DIDN"T SAVE
YOU, DID
> HE?"
>
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments. Governments should fear
their
> people."
> V; V for Vendetta.
>

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In a message dated 7/11/2006 11:48:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I always felt the understated "So be it." line, after the "Holy War"
prayer, really spoke volumes about Ursus' character...

 

The apes use their religion and theology of being God's

chosen people to justify what they do to others, just as humans have.

 

 

 

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And uncalled for. Having had a few conversations with Joe several
years back, I can recall repeated complaints from him about how
disappointed he was with POTA fandom for not contributing to his
book. Remember that Joe? Or how you were upset with Don Murray
because he really didn't show that much of an interest when you told
him about the book? Yet when someone else makes a similar complaint,
they're supposedly spouting sour grapes? How exactly does that logic
work?

I doubt Heston was being "loyal" to you OR ANYONE ELSE he granted an
interview to over the years. He was doing so because of an
appreciation he had for the project. For the most part, actors are
more inclined to promote their current projects because that's
what's making them money.

Aside from the one published in Brazil, I own all the different
books that were written about POTA and all of them have had some
interesting things to offer. And you may complain about
Pendreigh "slapping a book together at the last minute to capitalize
on Apes 2001", but let's not forget that's the ONLY reason your book
(which according to a certain Starlog article was supposed to come
out circa 1986/87) was ultimately released.

You want to talk about "outstanding and honorable"? How about
letting people hear that audio recording you made of Ted Post (the
only surviving Apes director) watching BENEATH and commenting on it
instead of complaining about how the POTA rarities tape that's been
floating around fan circles for years is something that was "stolen"
from you and how people had "no right" to make copies. In case
you've forgotten, all that material is owned by 20th Century Fox.
You know- the same company that told you what you could and couldn't
put in the book. And just in case you try to claim that I'm simply
spouting sour grapes as well, let me add right now that I'm glad the
article I put together for the book (at your repeated request, by
the way) wasn't included. The reason you gave ("Fox told me I
couldn't include it.") was BS, because other books released at the
same time had similarly themed articles. Still it worked out for the
best, because I'd be embarrassed to be associated with you at this
point.


Chris L.



Haristas@... wrote:

>> What brought this on? Kind of out of the blue, Joe. <<

softparadeband@... writes:

>>Now I have finally gotten it

off my chest.THAT WAS LOW PENDREIGH-Heston is an
outstanding,honrable gentleman.YOU are a pussy! <<

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I think that the deleted scenes exist possibly in a vault somewhere, but yes, it would be very nice if these scenes could be released.  Why let them sit, deteriorating day by day, when they could be released for millions of APES fans to enjoy?   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/11/06 19:54:00 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [POTA] Re: Deleted Scenes   It would be great if the DVDs included deleted and extended scenes as part of the special features. There is also reportedly an R rated version of Conquest that was used in early audience tests. I would be nice if they released that as well. Unfortunately, unlike the extended version of Battle which was shown in syndication and on cable for years, no one has seen the alternate version of Conquest or deleted scenes from the other films in over 30 years. So it is unknown if the footage still exists. --- In pota@yahoogroups. com , "Zachary Scott" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote: > > I certainly would love to see extended or deleted scenes from the first four > APES movies. BATTLE already has been reissued with those scenes. > > > > Zach >

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When i said Terror From The Year 5000, I was thinking of The Astounding She-Monster!

 

 

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 12:49:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I always felt the understated "So be it." line, after the "Holy War"
prayer, really spoke volumes about Ursus' character...

Also "I am simple soldier and, as a soldier I see things simply." Ursus had a lot of great lines.

He also had the coolest costume of any ape in the series.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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I have to agree here. Or Urko, Aldo and Ursus; Ursus is my favorite
Gorilla villian. He's smarter and craftier than the other two which
makes him more dangerous. He's the Patton of the 40th century.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/12/2006 12:49:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@... writes:
>
> I always felt the understated "So be it." line, after the "Holy
War"
> prayer, really spoke volumes about Ursus' character...
>
>
>
> Also "I am simple soldier and, as a soldier I see things simply."
Ursus had
> a lot of great lines.
> He also had the coolest costume of any ape in the series.
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear
their
> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

I'm going to ask everyone to take a chill pill here. It is obvious that
there is a history here and some bad blood that transends this group.
I'll also remind everyone that there is a group policy against personal
attacks so please take anything further offline.

I don't know Brian Pendreigh, he's not a member of this or any other
POTA group that I'm aware of, nor have read his book. Thus, I can't
really comment on him or his intentions.

I do know both Joe and Chris and have read their works. Both are good
people and great POTA fans and have been valuable contributors to this
group, so I find it strange to see them at odds like this.

Peace everyone.

I got issue #5 the other night and have to say it is the best so far. Without revealing anything, the main story was great. All the individual threads which were established in previous issues have now all come together. I can't wait for the final issue to see how it all resolves.

The second story was really good too, showing a pivotal moment in the Apes history. I would really love to see more stories like this in the period between Battle & Planet (without talking brains in jars that is).

Caesar's Journal was again very good. A great way to add depth to the main action.

Ty & Joe, keep up the good work. Thanks to you the Planet of the Apes lives!

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But if they do have them , whats the point of vaulting them , especially for this long? who know's with Fox though.

 

T

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/12/2006 2:40:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Zasco1957@... writes:

I think that the deleted scenes exist possibly in a vault somewhere, but yes, it would be very nice if these scenes could be released.  Why let them sit, deteriorating day by day, when they could be released for millions of APES fans to enjoy?

 

Zach   

 

-------Original Message-------

 

From: pota@yahoogroups.com

Date: 07/11/06 19:54:00

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [POTA] Re: Deleted Scenes

 

It would be great if the DVDs included deleted and extended scenes as
part of the special features. There is also reportedly an R rated
version of Conquest that was used in early audience tests. I would be
nice if they released that as well. Unfortunately, unlike the extended
version of Battle which was shown in syndication and on cable for
years, no one has seen the alternate version of Conquest or deleted
scenes from the other films in over 30 years. So it is unknown if the
footage still exists.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Zachary Scott" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote:
>
> I certainly would love to see extended or deleted scenes from the
first four
> APES movies. BATTLE already has been reissued with those scenes.
>
>
>
> Zach

 

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James I picked up mine yesterday.
Dave.

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

I got issue #5 the other night and have to say it is the best so far. Without revealing anything, the main story was great. All the individual threads which were established in previous issues have now all come together. I can't wait for the final issue to see how it all resolves.

The second story was really good too, showing a pivotal moment in the Apes history. I would really love to see more stories like this in the period between Battle & Planet (without talking brains in jars that is).

Caesar's Journal was again very good. A great way to add depth to the main action.

Ty & Joe, keep up the good work. Thanks to you the Planet of the Apes lives!

Rory, I agree. What happened to APE SHALL NOT KILL APE!!!!!!!!!
DAve-NYC

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 7/11/06 1:48:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smugster2000@... writes:

Regarding Thade, I loved the design of the character - it's a terrific
make up and costume - but I didn't care much for Roth's performance.
Now I like Roth, I think his bad guy in 'Rob Roy' is one of cinema's
best, but all that grunting, snarling, hissing and grinding of teeth
as Thade (Sometimes in a single line of dialogue!)irritated me.

Dave

Thade was as ill-conceived as the entire film.  I didn't agree with the entire approach of having the apes behave more like primitive primates than as civilized beings.  It was anti-Boulle.  The character really jumped the shark for me when he beat to death the two gorillas.

Oh!  What a horrible movie!

-- Rory

---

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 4:40:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Zasco1957@... writes:

I think that the deleted scenes exist possibly in a vault somewhere

Their in a salt mine in Hutchinson, Kansas.

The problem is it's badly organized.  More

studios than just Fox are using it.   And

they don't care very much about deleted

scenes, since they stored it before DVDs.

Even if we volunteered to search for them

for free, chances are Fox wouldn't let us.

 

 

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:34:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I don't know Brian Pendreigh, he's not a member of this or any other
POTA group that I'm aware of, nor have read his book. Thus, I can't
really comment on him or his intentions.

 

He was.  Brian gathered the opinions of many of the members

and acknowledged them for their contributions in the forward of his book.

 

 

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:20:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes:

But if they do have them , whats the point of vaulting them , especially for this long? who know's with Fox though.

 

To preserve them.

Film stock degrades over time,

especially if not stored in a cool

dry place.  However, even when stored

properly it will still deteriorate.  If they're

going to preserve them, the sooner the

better.  But film preservation is expensive.

Many films have already been lost because

they were not considered good enough to

bother to save them. Sometimes a print will

turn up that in good enough shape to run

through the machine once or twice before

it turns to dust.  But unless it's considered

a classic, or has historic value, the studio

won't bother saving it if they can't make

their money back on it. That's Show Biz.

 

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One of the nice things about Fox releasing the Ultimate Apes DVD set is that they included the 13 episodes of the cartoon. When I was younger, I was much more fanatical about my devotion to things like Apes and Star Trek. But now 30 years later, thousands of hours of movies/toon/etc. under my belt, I can look at this with a less jaundiced eye.

 

It's obvious that the Apes Toon was made simply to make some more money off the Apes Franchise. Apes predates Star Trek in its mass marketing and the monies Fox made off licensing everything to do with the series. Watching the toon now it did have some good points, they were just overshadowed by the bad. It's clear that some writers took a bit of care in their story telling, but a little bit of attention to continuity (although who would have ever expected DVD and such to bring such things back to the veiwing public?), a mistake started with Beneath with the 3955 comment...

 

Anyhow the main problem with Apes is laziness or possibly cheapness. Depatie-Freeling were a horrid animation department, right down there with Filmation (who I'd rate a little higher than DF). Giving the apes technology was just a lazy way out. Watch when the vehicles move. It's obvious that the animation practice is of a kind not seen since Marvel did their early shows; you know the one with Captain America and Iron Man, where images were just moved across a static background. There is no consistency with the illustrations either; the main humans look like they came from Jonny Quest (thanks to Doug Widley being involved) and at other times all characters look grotesque. The same backgrounds are used ala Hanna-Barbera, the kings of cheap animation, over and over. The studios use of a Gemini style spacecraft for the astronauts is just atrocious! And some of the later episodes, with giant monsters are just laziness on the part of the scripters as well as underestimating the intelligence of the veiwers. 

 

The opening of the show, which lifts some scenes from Beneath is pretty interesting as is the main title music. I could do without the guy saying "RETURN TO THE PLANET OF THE APES!" quite so dramatically, since it sounds corny.

 

The names used are a mish-mosh from the films and the TV series; Urko, Zaius (how many damn Zaius are there? Is that name like Smith is today?), Cornelius, Zira and Nova. The color schemes are horrendous. An orange suited Urko doesn't frighten anyone, although Zauis white suit reminds me of Picard's in Star Trek: Insurrection. The time line is smashed here as well, since the three astros landed on earth 2 years (3978) after Taylor has blown it up! (Perhaps the AO only wiped out the east coast? I'm not even going to think about this).

 

The underdwellers were a good idea gone haywire. Turning U-S-A into USA was well done, but what's up with them? Are thier powers real or hypnotic? Some of them shoot raybeams out of their eyes (the ricochets of which sound like bullets) other times its illusion. They have a much higher technological base than the Apes making mountains rise and fall for protection. If they have this much tech, why do they need a prophecy to be filled to retake the earth? Likely a writer thought it sounded cool.

 

Overall, I do like the toon. It takes a great many liberties, mixing in the films, the TV show, the Boulle book - but it isn't dull. If DF had taken a little time and thought, it could have been a really great toon rather than just a sideshow of the franchise. Still, I do like it more than Burton's travesty of a film! A few more voices would have helped...

 

 

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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I didn't know that. Must have been before my time. Do you remember his
screen name. I'd love to look up his posts in the archives.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:34:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> I don't know Brian Pendreigh, he's not a member of this or any other
> POTA group that I'm aware of, nor have read his book. Thus, I can't
> really comment on him or his intentions.
>
>
>
> He was. Brian gathered the opinions of many of the members
> and acknowledged them for their contributions in the forward of his
book.
>

An excellent review of Return! I agree with many of your points, though I do enjoy the
series nonetheless. One
minor correction, though -- "The time line is smashed here as well, since the three astros
landed on earth 2 years
(3978) after Taylor has blown it up!" Putting the 3955 error aside, this series doesn't take
place after Taylor blows
up the Earth. The first film takes place in 3978, and many fans place the second film in
3979 to allow for enough
time to pass to have the trial, the marriage and other events that must pass between films.
So although the cartoon
is a continuity nightmare on other levels, the year is okay. The bigger issue is that it just
doesn't fit what we see in
the films for that era.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
> One of the nice things about Fox releasing the Ultimate Apes DVD set is that
> they included the 13 episodes of the cartoon. When I was younger, I was much
> more fanatical about my devotion to things like Apes and Star Trek. But now
> 30 years later, thousands of hours of movies/toon/etc. under my belt, I can
> look at this with a less jaundiced eye.
>
> It's obvious that the Apes Toon was made simply to make some more money off
> the Apes Franchise. Apes predates Star Trek in its mass marketing and the
> monies Fox made off licensing everything to do with the series. Watching the toon
> now it did have some good points, they were just overshadowed by the bad.
> It's clear that some writers took a bit of care in their story telling, but a
> little bit of attention to continuity (although who would have ever expected
> DVD and such to bring such things back to the veiwing public?), a mistake
> started with Beneath with the 3955 comment...
>
> Anyhow the main problem with Apes is laziness or possibly cheapness.
> Depatie-Freeling were a horrid animation department, right down there with Filmation
> (who I'd rate a little higher than DF). Giving the apes technology was just
> a lazy way out. Watch when the vehicles move. It's obvious that the animation
> practice is of a kind not seen since Marvel did their early shows; you know
> the one with Captain America and Iron Man, where images were just moved
> across a static background. There is no consistency with the illustrations either;
> the main humans look like they came from Jonny Quest (thanks to Doug Widley
> being involved) and at other times all characters look grotesque. The same
> backgrounds are used ala Hanna-Barbera, the kings of cheap animation, over and
> over. The studios use of a Gemini style spacecraft for the astronauts is just
> atrocious! And some of the later episodes, with giant monsters are just
> laziness on the part of the scripters as well as underestimating the intelligence
> of the veiwers.
>
> The opening of the show, which lifts some scenes from Beneath is pretty
> interesting as is the main title music. I could do without the guy saying "RETURN
> TO THE PLANET OF THE APES!" quite so dramatically, since it sounds corny.
>
> The names used are a mish-mosh from the films and the TV series; Urko, Zaius
> (how many damn Zaius are there? Is that name like Smith is today?),
> Cornelius, Zira and Nova. The color schemes are horrendous. An orange suited Urko
> doesn't frighten anyone, although Zauis white suit reminds me of Picard's in
> Star Trek: Insurrection. The time line is smashed here as well, since the three
> astros landed on earth 2 years (3978) after Taylor has blown it up! (Perhaps
> the AO only wiped out the east coast? I'm not even going to think about this).
>
> The underdwellers were a good idea gone haywire. Turning U-S-A into USA was
> well done, but what's up with them? Are thier powers real or hypnotic? Some of
> them shoot raybeams out of their eyes (the ricochets of which sound like
> bullets) other times its illusion. They have a much higher technological base
> than the Apes making mountains rise and fall for protection. If they have this
> much tech, why do they need a prophecy to be filled to retake the earth?
> Likely a writer thought it sounded cool.
>
> Overall, I do like the toon. It takes a great many liberties, mixing in the
> films, the TV show, the Boulle book - but it isn't dull. If DF had taken a
> little time and thought, it could have been a really great toon rather than just
> a sideshow of the franchise. Still, I do like it more than Burton's travesty
> of a film! A few more voices would have helped...
>
>
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their
> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

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I agree with you here...still, it would have been nice if those scenes could be released.    Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/06 12:37:51 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Deleted Scenes   In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:20:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes: But if they do have them , whats the point of vaulting them , especially for this long? who know's with Fox though.   To preserve them. Film stock degrades over time, especially if not stored in a cool dry place.  However, even when stored properly it will still deteriorate.  If they're going to preserve them, the sooner the better.  But film preservation is expensive. Many films have already been lost because they were not considered good enough to bother to save them. Sometimes a print will turn up that in good enough shape to run through the machine once or twice before it turns to dust.  But unless it's considered a classic, or has historic value, the studio won't bother saving it if they can't make their money back on it. That's Show Biz.

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 6:05:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Zasco1957@... writes:

I agree with you here...still, it would have been nice if those scenes could be released.

I think if Fox has, or ever does, find them,

they'll hold out for the 50th anniversary release.

 

 

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I forgot to mention -- the cartoons take place in 3979, which would
place them between the first two films if they were part of the same
continuity.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
> An excellent review of Return! I agree with many of your points,
though I do enjoy the series nonetheless. One minor correction,
though -- "The time line is smashed here as well, since the three
astros landed on earth 2 years (3978) after Taylor has blown it up!"
Putting the 3955 error aside, this series doesn't take place after
Taylor blows up the Earth. The first film takes place in 3978, and
many fans place the second film in 3979 to allow for enough time to
pass to have the trial, the marriage and other events that must pass
between films. So although the cartoon is a continuity nightmare on
other levels, the year is okay. The bigger issue is that it just
> doesn't fit what we see in the films for that era.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@ wrote:
> >
> > One of the nice things about Fox releasing the Ultimate Apes DVD
set is that
> > they included the 13 episodes of the cartoon. When I was younger,
I was much
> > more fanatical about my devotion to things like Apes and Star
Trek. But now
> > 30 years later, thousands of hours of movies/toon/etc. under my
belt, I can
> > look at this with a less jaundiced eye.
> >
> > It's obvious that the Apes Toon was made simply to make some more
money off
> > the Apes Franchise. Apes predates Star Trek in its mass marketing
and the
> > monies Fox made off licensing everything to do with the series.
Watching the toon
> > now it did have some good points, they were just overshadowed by
the bad.
> > It's clear that some writers took a bit of care in their story
telling, but a
> > little bit of attention to continuity (although who would have
ever expected
> > DVD and such to bring such things back to the veiwing public?),
a mistake
> > started with Beneath with the 3955 comment...
> >
> > Anyhow the main problem with Apes is laziness or possibly
cheapness.
> > Depatie-Freeling were a horrid animation department, right down
there with Filmation
> > (who I'd rate a little higher than DF). Giving the apes
technology was just
> > a lazy way out. Watch when the vehicles move. It's obvious that
the animation
> > practice is of a kind not seen since Marvel did their early
shows; you know
> > the one with Captain America and Iron Man, where images were just
moved
> > across a static background. There is no consistency with the
illustrations either;
> > the main humans look like they came from Jonny Quest (thanks to
Doug Widley
> > being involved) and at other times all characters look grotesque.
The same
> > backgrounds are used ala Hanna-Barbera, the kings of cheap
animation, over and
> > over. The studios use of a Gemini style spacecraft for the
astronauts is just
> > atrocious! And some of the later episodes, with giant monsters
are just
> > laziness on the part of the scripters as well as underestimating
the intelligence
> > of the veiwers.
> >
> > The opening of the show, which lifts some scenes from Beneath is
pretty
> > interesting as is the main title music. I could do without the
guy saying "RETURN
> > TO THE PLANET OF THE APES!" quite so dramatically, since it
sounds corny.
> >
> > The names used are a mish-mosh from the films and the TV series;
Urko, Zaius
> > (how many damn Zaius are there? Is that name like Smith is
today?),
> > Cornelius, Zira and Nova. The color schemes are horrendous. An
orange suited Urko
> > doesn't frighten anyone, although Zauis white suit reminds me of
Picard's in
> > Star Trek: Insurrection. The time line is smashed here as well,
since the three
> > astros landed on earth 2 years (3978) after Taylor has blown it
up! (Perhaps
> > the AO only wiped out the east coast? I'm not even going to think
about this).
> >
> > The underdwellers were a good idea gone haywire. Turning U-S-A
into USA was
> > well done, but what's up with them? Are thier powers real or
hypnotic? Some of
> > them shoot raybeams out of their eyes (the ricochets of which
sound like
> > bullets) other times its illusion. They have a much higher
technological base
> > than the Apes making mountains rise and fall for protection. If
they have this
> > much tech, why do they need a prophecy to be filled to retake the
earth?
> > Likely a writer thought it sounded cool.
> >
> > Overall, I do like the toon. It takes a great many liberties,
mixing in the
> > films, the TV show, the Boulle book - but it isn't dull. If DF
had taken a
> > little time and thought, it could have been a really great toon
rather than just
> > a sideshow of the franchise. Still, I do like it more than
Burton's travesty
> > of a film! A few more voices would have helped...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should
fear their
> > people."
> > V For Vendetta.
> >
>

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 5:30:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I didn't know that. Must have been before my time. Do you remember his
screen name. I'd love to look up his posts in the archives.

 

No, but if you get his book you'll see mine, as well as others in there.

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The 50th damn, by that time the world wont have DVD's, by that time we might be living in the POTA.

 

T

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/12/2006 7:20:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

In a message dated 7/12/2006 6:05:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Zasco1957@... writes:

I agree with you here...still, it would have been nice if those scenes could be released.

I think if Fox has, or ever does, find them,

they'll hold out for the 50th anniversary release.

 

 

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If they have them and that's a big if, then for the fans and for the $$$$$$$$ they should release them already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 7/12/2006 4:05:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Zasco1957@... writes:

I agree with you here...still, it would have been nice if those scenes could be released.    Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/06 12:37:51 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Deleted Scenes   In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:20:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes: But if they do have them , whats the point of vaulting them , especially for this long? who know's with Fox though.   To preserve them. Film stock degrades over time, especially if not stored in a cool dry place.  However, even when stored properly it will still deteriorate.  If they're going to preserve them, the sooner the better.  But film preservation is expensive. Many films have already been lost because they were not considered good enough to bother to save them. Sometimes a print will turn up that in good enough shape to run through the machine once or twice before it turns to dust.  But unless it's considered a classic, or has historic value, the studio won't bother saving it if they can't make their money back on it. That's Show Biz.

 

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 5:37:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:

The time line is smashed here as well, since the three astros
landed on earth 2 years
(3978) after Taylor has blown it up!"

 

Maybe a parallel POTA universe where the Earth wasn't destroyed.

 

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I kinda leaned towards the DC multiple earths theory. Because when I
watched Escape when Hasselein was talking to the president and the
president said that NASA experts were going over the ship with
microscopic scrutiny, not ANSA. I don't think that the timeline was
smashed, I think that what Hasslein said during the television report
that apes jumped from their timeline to the timeliine that we saw on
Escape.

Kevin


-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Return to the Planet of the Apes

In a message dated 7/12/2006 5:37:57 P.M. Central
Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:
The time line is smashed here as well, since the three astros
landed on earth 2 years
(3978) after Taylor has blown it up!"


Maybe a parallel POTA universe where the Earth wasn't destroyed.






____________

INDEED, the prosthetics were thicker and more detailed than the rest... I guess that's why Thade was so much more prominent than the others...

"Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

In some interview (maybe on the DVD) Baker says he
told them to get actors with small feautures... .when
they cast Roth, Baker said he went to Zanuck with
"What part of "no big noses" didn't you understand?

Tim

--- LordTZer0@AOL. com wrote:
I'm amazed they could even use Roth
> with
> his enormous neb. Baker did an admirable job
> working around
> his schnoz.

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  James Cameron liked Thade! - - - Jeff

 

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:14 AM

Subject: [POTA] Re: POTA lover aboard...

In a message dated 7/11/06 1:48:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smugster2000@... writes:

Regarding Thade, I loved the design of the character - it's a terrific
make up and costume - but I didn't care much for Roth's performance.
Now I like Roth, I think his bad guy in 'Rob Roy' is one of cinema's
best, but all that grunting, snarling, hissing and grinding of teeth
as Thade (Sometimes in a single line of dialogue!)irritated me.

Dave

Thade was as ill-conceived as the entire film.  I didn't agree with the entire approach of having the apes behave more like primitive primates than as civilized beings.  It was anti-Boulle.  The character really jumped the shark for me when he beat to death the two gorillas.

Oh!  What a horrible movie!

-- Rory

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Thady was not ready for that "dodgeball" to hit him was he?  I agree wholly, my brother simian. We need a seious chatroom here!!!

veetus@... wrote:

   That was Burton's idea, that the progressives are becoming more human-like, and Thade's camp wants them to stay ape-like. The most obvious contrast is between Thade and Ari. But otherwise the idea got watered down, like everything else in the movie. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave B

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:12 PM

Subject: [POTA] Re: POTA lover aboard...

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Jackie Click <thadesdarlinghuman @...> wrote:
>
> Thade IS all snarls and grinding teeth...
> He IS a menacing chimp out to wipe out anything threatening his
perfect world.
> That is Thade's goal...
> He wants nothing more than to preserve his world ...
> No hard feelings...
>

None taken... And you make a good point, it just shows that 'one man's
meat is another man's poison'. I get that he's supposed to be
something of a force of nature but I feel he's also supposed to be
intelligent, cunning and crafty and those aspects didn't come across
for me. Compared to the other apes in the movie he seemed too bestial,
like he only evolved the day before.

Dave

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In a message dated 7/12/2006 9:53:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes:

The 50th damn, by that time the world wont have DVD's, by that time we might be living in the POTA.

 

I predict that you won't buy DVD's.

You'll download the file to store on

your home theater's hard drive.  If

you want a hard copy, you'll burn

your own and print the cover too.

 

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I don't plant interfusions in my posts and I don't care for those who
think it's funny to watch as we squirm in theirs...
There are a few out there who are dangerous and carry a lot of
baggage...
NO SOUP FOR YOU...!!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Click <thadesdarlinghuman@...>
wrote:

>
> Thady was not ready for that "dodgeball" to hit him was he? I

agree wholly, my brother simian. We need a seious chatroom here!!!

>
> veetus@... wrote: That was Burton's idea, that the

progressives are becoming more human-like, and Thade's camp wants
them to stay ape-like. The most obvious contrast is between Thade
and Ari. But otherwise the idea got watered down, like everything
else in the movie. - - - Jeff

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave B
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:12 PM
> Subject: [POTA] Re: POTA lover aboard...
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jackie Click

<thadesdarlinghuman@> wrote:

> >
> > Thade IS all snarls and grinding teeth...
> > He IS a menacing chimp out to wipe out anything threatening his
> perfect world.
> > That is Thade's goal...
> > He wants nothing more than to preserve his world ...
> > No hard feelings...
> >
>
> None taken... And you make a good point, it just shows that 'one

man's

> meat is another man's poison'. I get that he's supposed to be
> something of a force of nature but I feel he's also supposed to be
> intelligent, cunning and crafty and those aspects didn't come

across

> for me. Compared to the other apes in the movie he seemed too

bestial,

> like he only evolved the day before.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thade IS beastial... He IS PRIMAL...
> ---------------------------------
> Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically

different. Just radically better.

>

In a message dated 7/12/2006 9:53:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes:

The 50th damn, by that time the world wont have DVD's, by that time we might be living in the POTA.

 

I predict that you won't buy DVD's.

You'll download the file to store on

your home theater's hard drive.  If

you want a hard copy, you'll burn

your own and print the cover too.

 

I "unsubscribe" now...
Nice to chat but I don't trust humans...

Personally, I see the cartoon as a seperate universe, like the novel or
remake, having nothing to do with the film or TV series universe.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I forgot to mention -- the cartoons take place in 3979, which would
> place them between the first two films if they were part of the same
> continuity.
>
>

Unfortunately it would take FOX thinking it was worth while to have
people search their archives for them.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Zachary Scott" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you here...still, it would have been nice if those
scenes could
> be released.
>
>
>
> Zach
>

Will we finally have flying cars too? ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> I predict that you won't buy DVD's.
> You'll download the file to store on
> your home theater's hard drive. If
> you want a hard copy, you'll burn
> your own and print the cover too.
>

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Geez. What a shame.    Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 07/12/06 21:20:52 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Deleted Scenes   In a message dated 7/12/2006 6:05:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Zasco1957@... writes: I agree with you here...still, it would have been nice if those scenes could be released.  I think if Fox has, or ever does, find them, they'll hold out for the 50th anniversary release.

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Very cool. Unfortunately when I searched Amazon several of his books
came up but none about POTA. What's the name of the book?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
>
> No, but if you get his book you'll see mine, as well as others in
there.
>

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In a message dated 7/13/2006 4:51:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Will we finally have flying cars too? ;-)

Just waiting for the testing to be completed...

 

Moller Skycar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

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In a message dated 7/13/2006 5:12:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Very cool. Unfortunately when I searched Amazon several of his books
came up but none about POTA. What's the name of the book?

 

Really?  I found it with out much problem.

Try searching by title and author.

 

The Legend of the "Planet of the Apes" (Paperback)
by Brian Penreigh

 

 

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