Here you go Bruce!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd love to see that image!
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: digitalcinema digitalcinema@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:41 pm
> Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yep, that's the one. More interesting however concerning the "Nova
> Pregnacy" scene is a transparency I have of Zira taking Nova's pulse,
> as they stand beside the wagon-cage.
> - Scott
>

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: RedSpy13@...
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:11:20 +0000
Subject: [pota] Apes Soundtrack

Greetings, everyone. Several weeks ago I posted a link to a site where
you could download the TV Series soundtrack for a fee. Well, now I
have better news. I have found a Spanish site where you can download
the complete TV Series soundtrack by Lalo Schifrin for free. A copy
just sold on eBay for $125.00, and Amazon.com has one copy for $175.00,
and another copy for $300.00, which is outrageous. The link is to a TV
soundtracks page, with numerous soundtracks from various TV programs
scored by Lalo Schifrin. Scroll about halfway down the page, and you
will find "Planet of the Apes". Click the download link to get the
soundtrack. One word of warning... it is a 77 meg download, and
appears to go very slow, so it will take quite a while to complete the
download, but hey, it's free! Enjoy, my friends, and Simian Smiles to
all!

http://los-soundtra cks.blogspot. com/2007/ 04/mis-series- de-t.html"

Jeff (RedSpy)

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 3:02 PM, <stenosaurus@...> wrote:

I've NEVER seen a shot like that before. Thanks Scott!

 

Bruce

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From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 5:26 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"

Here you go Bruce!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd love to see that image!
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: digitalcinema digitalcinema@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:41 pm
> Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yep, that's the one. More interesting however concerning the "Nova
> Pregnacy" scene is a transparency I have of Zira taking Nova's pulse,
> as they stand beside the wagon-cage.
> - Scott
>

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> The Ziegfeld Theatre in NYC (141 West 54th Street)
> is now a revival house,
> and during the week of March 28 to April 3rd, there
> will be 40th Anniversary
> showings of the PLANET OF THE APES films. The web
> page for it
>

>
>

> ) doesn't have the show times yet,
> but I'm sure James will now check this out
> thoroughly.
>
> Man, do I wish I was in or near NYC now! Damn it
> all to hell!
>
> -- Rory
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>
>
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From: S.W. Plissken

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:03 AM

Subject: [pota] Apes speaking English

In the first POTA Taylor never questions why the Apes are speaking
English. Up until the end of movie, he thinks he is on alien world.
Now what are the chances of two completely different worlds evolving,
and creating the same langauge? Even towards the end of POTA when
Taylor looks at the relics in the cave, Heart valve, eye glasses,
speaking doll, etc he still doesn't seem to make a connection. I think
I would have been giving it some thought long before I saw the Statue
of Liberty. It wasn't even brought up until in Escape that DR.
Hasslein asks Cornelius, Where did you learn to speak English?

>
> MAN I wish I could get up there that week! I wonder if
> it's one film per night????
>

>
> You have to remeber that ONE of the theories going around, back in

>

I've NEVER seen a shot like that before. Thanks Scott!

 

Bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@aol. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 5:26 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"

Here you go Bruce!

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, stenosaurus@ ... wrote:
>
>
> I'd love to see that image!
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: digitalcinema digitalcinema@ ...
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:41 pm
> Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yep, that's the one. More interesting however concerning the "Nova
> Pregnacy" scene is a transparency I have of Zira taking Nova's pulse,
> as they stand beside the wagon-cage.
> - Scott
>

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 The strange heiroglyphs are on all the chimp and orangutan outfits, yet they all
seem to be able to read English. .

*** I'm pretty sure that the hieroglyphics on their clothing are not representative of the English language which they read and speak.

 

My guess is that the hieroglyphics represent rank, status, maybe even occupation and therefore they are symbolic of things rather than an "alphabet" to be read as English would be. By that I mean yes, they can look at each others hieroglphics and "read" what it means but it's not indicative of their written and spoken language. ***

 

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I don't know if you're aware of it but PLANET also has a strange
photo as part of the lobby card set depicting Taylor and Nova in
scene not in the film. I don't know if this even from an actual
scene or merely a publicity pic, but it's there never the less.
- Scott


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King"
wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "digitalcinema" wrote:
>
> > That same publicity shot [of General Ursus with the upraised
pistol in
> > hand that] you mentioned is also one of the lobby cards in the
set.
>
> Thanks, Scott, that's all the more intriguing since as far as I
can recall them, lobby cards
> were generally reflective of the actual content and storylines of
their respective films'
> theatrical versions.
>
> In 1973, I received an entire set of color lobby cards
for "Battle for the Planet of the
> Apes" from 20th-Century Fox, one of which featured Kolp showing
Alma the Alpha-
> Omega bomb. Although that scene regretfully didn't show up in the
final film, it
> nonetheless had been filmed as depicted in the lobby card. And
thanks to David Gerrold's
> novelization, I realized all the moreso what scene it was depicting
content-wise as well.
>



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>
>
> My guess is that the hieroglyphics represent rank, status, maybe

>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c wrote:

> James King wrote: ---It's really too bad we don't know the story of why or how General Ursus is portrayed as holding his pistol aloft in hand as seen in the still of one the cover photographs on the 1970 paperback novelization of "Beneath."

 *** No story to it. It was a bitchin' publicity shot. Case closed. ***

> Source?

*** APJAC Productions in association with 20th Century Fox Film Corporation. ***

***  I'm guessing you read the Greene book? ***

> Indeed, I have, and he was right on the money for the most part. Do you actually consider Green's bi-racial perspective to be "weird"? After all, he set forth in the forward

to his book that his perspective had been influenced by his growing
up and bridging two divergent cultures.

 

*** Right on the money you say? Are you sure of that, because going on what you said, unless you're bi-racial, you cannot see all of the subtle things in the films. You seemed to say  only a bi-racial person can see those things, so what about all of the Causasians, Blacks, Hispanics, Orientals, etc.? Do their views not count?

And yes, I do think Eric Greene's perspective is weird, just as I'd think the views of a white, a Black, a Hispanic, an Oriental or any other group could be "weird", if not down right idiotic. And, btw, I think it's weird that you pointed out that his perspective is "bi-racial". How does that make his point of view any more or less legitimate? I think you read way more into that forward than what was really there. ***

> In my opinion, there was nothing remotely "weird" about Greene's ideas. I challenge you to qualify what exactly you're referring to as his "weird ideas.'

 

*** I accept you challenge. Here are some of things I think are weird, if not just dumb:

The whole school bus thing in BATTLE. He compares that school bus carrying mutants to invade the ape's city to the children from the inner city schools being bussed to the "white" schools out of their districts. He compares the gorillas to the "violent protestors". I am quite sure that the Corringtons did not set there and say "Boy, we need to slip in something about segregation. I know, let's use a bus as our symbol and some bi-racial dude will pick up on the message. He will "get it". The fact of the matter is the mutants used whatever mode of transportation that worked and with the bus, it carried the most passengers, so why wouldn't they use it? And the soldiers, they were doing what the bulk of the population of the ape's city was doing: Defending their city. It had nothing to do with segregation and everything to do with an invasion and defense in a time of war.

 

I also think it's nuts to compare the B.A.R.T. station in "The Trap" to The Underground Railroad. An important part of the liberation movement in the 1800s being lowered to the level of a TV series set?

 

I think it's crazy to say the astronauts in the TV series are a metaphor for the US Army in Vietnam (Or was it The Peace Corps? It's been awhile since I tried to read that book without thinking "WTF?") They can't simply be astronauts stuck in their world's own future? They have to represent something?

The bit about saying because Zira was successful, she would be "ugly" by human standards, and because Nova is attractive she is automatically "dumb". And, as soon as Nova speaks, she is killed so they gave a message of "You can be attractive and dumb, but when you show intelligence, we'll kill you." How could anyone who does not go out looking for things to read into even see any of that? Zira was successful because she worked hard, and as far as we all know, she could be a great catch in the eyes of the male chimps. And Nova, well, she was dumb because her people are a tribe of devolved savages, not because she is seen as "attractive". His whole take on all of that is pretty sexist, don't you think?

 

Another thing is saying that they had Taylor taller than the apes so he could look down on them or something like that, and that he was made to look even taller because of the pedestal he was standing on in the cage. Try more like they were trying to make some things realistic and apes are shorter than most humans. They were trying to show height differeneces because they are naturally there. They wanted "some" realism that's why they hired shorter actors to portray apes. It didn't have anything to do with the great US astronaut looking down on his captors.

 

When he spoke of the RETURN series, he said that they had Urko in a state of Nixon paranoia when he says "Is there a conspiracy against me?!?" all because they had heavy black eyebrows on him. Mr. Greene seemed to say that it had to be done as a Nixon reference because that was the only time they ever drew Urko that way. Had he watched the series with his eyes open he would have seen there were a few times he was drawn that way, not only in his state of being paranoid as he called it.

 

I could go on, but I think I said enough about why I think his ideas are "weird". Reading into things that are not there and grasping at straws to make everything have a metaphor or some deep rooted meaning is weird in my eyes. It also makes for a long read that is equatable to a college term paper. ***

 

> It is my supposition that the dumb humans seen in "Planet" and "Beneath" were of multi-racial origin whose racial differences over the centuries had become less obvious. So they weren't white or Hispanic or Asian or African-American -- they were in essence all the above, the culmination of centuries of both interbreeding, under-nutrition and conditioning to remain silent and not speak.

 

*** Wow, I almost agree with you here. I also think that the humans in PLANET/BENEATH are the end result of generation upon generation of all the various races interbreeding. They are indeed one race which formed from all of the others. Here's where I don't agree with you though, the part about them being conditioned not to speak. It's like saying that that apes talk simply because they were conditioned to speak. The hmans do not speak because they can't. They are a race of devolved savages, not some group that just doesn't speak because they're "trained" not to. It's just not in them anymore.

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*** My guess is that the hieroglyphics represent rank, status, maybe
even occupation and therefore they are symbolic of things rather than
an "alphabet" to be read as English would be.  ***
 


> Maybe more like merit badges?


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> James King <shrstrategygames@...> wrote: --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c wrote:
>
> > James King wrote: ---It's really too bad we don't know the story of why or how

>
> *** No story to it. It was a bitchin' publicity shot. Case closed. ***
>
> > Source?
>
> *** APJAC Productions in association with 20th Century Fox Film Corporation. ***

> *** I'm guessing you read the Greene book? ***
>
> > Indeed, I have, and he was right on the money for the most part. Do you actually

> up and bridging two divergent cultures.
>
> *** Right on the money you say? Are you sure of that, because going on what you said,

> You seemed to say only a bi-racial person can see those things, so what
> about all of the Causasians, Blacks, Hispanics, Orientals, etc.? Do their
> views not count?

> And yes, I do think Eric Greene's perspective is weird, just as I'd think
> the views of a white, a Black, a Hispanic, an Oriental or any other group
> could be "weird", if not down right idiotic. And, btw, I think it's weird that
> you pointed out that his perspective is "bi-racial". How does that make
> his point of view any more or less legitimate?

> I think you read way more into that forward than what was really there. ***

> > In my opinion, there was nothing remotely "weird" about Greene's ideas. I challenge

>
> *** I accept you challenge. Here are some of things I think are weird, if
> not just dumb: The whole school bus thing in BATTLE. He compares that
> school bus carrying mutants to invade the ape's city to the children from
> the inner city schools being bussed to the "white" schools out of their
> districts.

> He compares the gorillas to the "violent protestors". I am quite sure that the
> Corringtons did not set there and say "Boy, we need to slip in something about
> segregation. I know, let's use a bus as our symbol and some bi-racial dude
> will pick up on the message. He will "get it".

> The fact of the matter is the mutants used whatever mode of transportation
> that worked and with the bus, it carried the most passengers, so why
> wouldn't they use it?

> And the soldiers, they were doing what the bulk of the population of the
> ape's city was doing: Defending their city. It had nothing to do with
> segregation and everything to do with an invasion and defense in a time
> of war.

> I also think it's nuts to compare the B.A.R.T. station in "The Trap" to
> The Underground Railroad. An important part of the liberation
> movement in the 1800s being lowered to the level of a TV series set?

> I think it's crazy to say the astronauts in the TV series are a metaphor
> for the US Army in Vietnam (Or was it The Peace Corps?

> It's been awhile since I tried to read that book without thinking "WTF?")
> They can't simply be astronauts stuck in their world's own future? They
> have to represent something?

> The bit about saying because Zira was successful, she would be "ugly"
> by human standards, and because Nova is attractive she is automatically
> "dumb". And, as soon as Nova speaks, she is killed so they gave a message
> of "You can be attractive and dumb, but when you show intelligence, we'll
> kill you."

> How could anyone who does not go out looking for things to read into
> even see any of that?

> Zira was successful because she worked hard, and as far as we all know,
> she could be a great catch in the eyes of the male chimps. And Nova,
> well, she was dumb because her people are a tribe of devolved savages,
> not because she is seen as "attractive". His whole take on all of that is
> pretty sexist, don't you think?

> Another thing is saying that they had Taylor taller than the apes so he
> could look down on them or something like that, and that he was made
> to look even taller because of the pedestal he was standing on in the
> cage.

> Try more like they were trying to make some things realistic and apes are
> shorter than most humans. They were trying to show height differeneces
> because they are naturally there. They wanted "some" realism that's why
> they hired shorter actors to portray apes. It didn't have anything to do
> with the great US astronaut looking down on his captors.

> When he spoke of the RETURN series, he said that they had Urko in
> a state of Nixon paranoia when he says "Is there a conspiracy against
> me?!?" all because they had heavy black eyebrows on him. Mr. Greene
> seemed to say that it had to be done as a Nixon reference because
> that was the only time they ever drew Urko that way. Had he watched
> the series with his eyes open he would have seen there were a few
> times he was drawn that way, not only in his state of being paranoid
> as he called it.

> I could go on, but I think I said enough about why I think his ideas
> are "weird". Reading into things that are not there and grasping at
> straws to make everything have a metaphor or some deep rooted
> meaning is weird in my eyes. It also makes for a long read that is
> equatable to a college term paper. ***

> > It is my supposition that the dumb humans seen in "Planet" and "Beneath" were of

>
> *** Wow, I almost agree with you here. I also think that the humans in
> PLANET/BENEATH are the end result of generation upon generation of
> all the various races interbreeding. They are indeed one race which
> formed from all of the others.

> Here's where I don't agree with you though, the part about them
> being conditioned not to speak. It's like saying that that apes talk
> simply because they were conditioned to speak. The humans do
> not speak because they can't. They are a race of devolved savages,
> not some group that just doesn't speak because they're "trained"
> not to. It's just not in them anymore.

> > It is my supposition that the dumb humans seen in "Planet" and "Beneath" were of multi-racial origin whose racial differences over the centuries had become less obvious. So they weren't white or Hispanic or Asian or African-American -- they were in essence all the above, the culmination of centuries of both interbreeding, under-nutrition and conditioning to remain silent and not speak.
>

> *** Wow, I almost agree with you here. I also think that the humans in

> PLANET/BENEATH are the end result of generation upon generation of
> all the various races interbreeding. They are indeed one race which
> formed from all of the others.

Do you recall what issue that was in?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "mike barrett" <hawkman5_us@...> wrote:
>
> i looking for the b&w marvel magizine or scan of an article about
> walking and moving like an ape, i used to have a copy and used it one
> halloween as research for my and friend chimp costumes. we won 1st
> place and the best part was we worked for the forest service and when
> she went back to the kitchen in costume and character no one had a clue
> who she was.
>

No need to apologize. It's no big deal.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
> I know-I read the bottom of the letter and thought it came from you. My apologies to James.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scott bosco digitalcinema@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> I didn't send it, someone else beat me to it.?
>
> -Scott
>
> stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I've NEVER seen a shot like that before. Thanks Scott!
>
> ?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James JamesA1102@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 5:26 pm
> Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here you go Bruce!
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'd love to see that image!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: digitalcinema digitalcinema@
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:41 pm
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yep, that's the one. More interesting however concerning the "Nova
> > Pregnacy" scene is a transparency I have of Zira taking Nova's pulse,
> > as they stand beside the wagon-cage.
> > - Scott
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

>

> No need to apologize. It's no big deal.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know-I read the bottom of the letter and thought it came from

> My apologies to James.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scott bosco digitalcinema@
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:19 pm
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the
> Planet of the Apes"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > I didn't send it, someone else beat me to it.?
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> > stenosaurus@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've NEVER seen a shot like that before. Thanks Scott!
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James JamesA1102@
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 5:26 pm
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the

> of the Apes"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here you go Bruce!
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd love to see that image!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: digitalcinema digitalcinema@
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:41 pm
> > > Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the
> Planet of the Apes"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yep, that's the one. More interesting however concerning

> > > Pregnacy" scene is a transparency I have of Zira taking Nova's
> pulse,
> > > as they stand beside the wagon-cage.
> > > - Scott
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Supercharge your AIM. Get the AIM toolbar for your browser.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:16 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: marvel magazine article walk and move like an ape

Do you recall what issue that was in?

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "mike barrett" <hawkman5_us@ ...> wrote:
>
> i looking for the b&w marvel magizine or scan of an article about
> walking and moving like an ape, i used to have a copy and used it one
> halloween as research for my and friend chimp costumes. we won 1st
> place and the best part was we worked for the forest service and when
> she went back to the kitchen in costume and character no one had a clue
> who she was.
>

You mean this pic:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> There is also a nice publicity shot of Taylor & Nove on their knees
> in front of the Lawgiver statue with a gorilla guard standing behind
> them. Not from PLANET or BENEATH, but a nice photo anyways.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> You mean this pic:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@> wrote:
> >
> > There is also a nice publicity shot of Taylor & Nove on their knees
> > in front of the Lawgiver statue with a gorilla guard standing behind
> > them. Not from PLANET or BENEATH, but a nice photo anyways.
> >
> > Jeff (RedSpy)
> >
>

The Ape-Human hybrid child was considered for the original ending of Beneath. The script is available on Hunter's site: https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_revisited_first_02.pdf

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> What possible plot point could a half-human, half-ape child have served in "Beneath The Planet of the Apes"?
>

So why is it that Lou Wagner has never mentioned it in any of the interviews he's done. In Russo's book he talks about his experience working on Planet and Conquest but never says a word about being in a scene cut from Beneath. What did the studio heads swear him to secrecy?

If Wagner or any other actor had been engaged for a speaking part then it would have been scripted not something quickly improvised on the set at the last minute. Also an FX technician would have had to be on set to supervise the shot fired from Ursus's gun. And again that would have to have been scripted and planned in advance, not something that was improvised at the last minute.

Now let's just review the available facts.

- No version of the script reflects the scene you describe.

- No person involved with the film has even said one word about the scene you describe. (Russo's book devotes two pages to this scene with quotes from both Mort Abrams and Ted Post.)

- The NATO preview film contains the same version that is in the film. (It starts from Ursus and Zaius riding up to the protestors and goes through the Ursus order the gorillas to remove them quietly.)

- There exists no still or any other record of the scene you describe.

- No one else has ever mentioned seeing the scene you describe.

And you offer absolutely no evidence other than you own memory from 38 years ago and specious examples from other films. At this point until you can offer more concrete evidence it appears to be a product of your imagination.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
>
> Therefore, such a scene of the chimp protest leader confronting Ursus would have been
> contextually consistent because that blocking the army's path would have been the chimp
> protesters' only way to get one-on-one access with Ursus anyway. And it would have most
> especially have paid off if the chimp protest leader had been Zira's nephew, Lucius. And I
> for one am skeptical that actor Lou Wagner was credited as playing Lucius in the "Beneath"
> credits solely for its use of footage at the beginning of "Beneath" from the end of the
> original "Planet of the Apes" with Lucius in it.
>

No there were two wagons in the scene. They were empty until the Gorillas put the chimps into them. There were no humans in the wagons. That is not a simplistic notion that is what is in the film.

And before you make the claim that there may have been another wagon filled with humans out of shot, Beneath had a limited budget. They didn't have the money to engage a whole bunch of extras not required for the scene. Take a look at the scene of the Ape Army leaving Ape City. The rest of the city is deserted. Why? Because they didn't have the money for additonal extras.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
>
> No, that one wagon wasn't the sole wagon present in the plaza of the Ape City.
> Moreover, you have yet to qualify in credible terms your simplistic notion why the wagons
> had to contain either all humans or all apes (and/or that humans couldn't be present in
> some of the wagons).
>

>Dear Folks--

>
> So why is it that Lou Wagner has never mentioned it in any of the
> interviews he's done. In Russo's book he talks about his experience
> working on Planet and Conquest but never says a word about being in

> scene cut from Beneath. What did the studio heads swear him to

>
> If Wagner or any other actor had been engaged for a speaking part

> it would have been scripted not something quickly improvised on the

> at the last minute. Also an FX technician would have had to be on

> supervise the shot fired from Ursus's gun. And again that would

> have been scripted and planned in advance, not something that was
> improvised at the last minute.
>
> Now let's just review the available facts.
>
> - No version of the script reflects the scene you describe.
>
> - No person involved with the film has even said one word about the
> scene you describe. (Russo's book devotes two pages to this scene

> quotes from both Mort Abrams and Ted Post.)
>
> - The NATO preview film contains the same version that is in the

> (It starts from Ursus and Zaius riding up to the protestors and goes
> through the Ursus order the gorillas to remove them quietly.)
>
> - There exists no still or any other record of the scene you

>
> - No one else has ever mentioned seeing the scene you describe.
>
> And you offer absolutely no evidence other than you own memory from

> years ago and specious examples from other films. At this point

> you can offer more concrete evidence it appears to be a product of

> imagination.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Therefore, such a scene of the chimp protest leader confronting

> would have been
> > contextually consistent because that blocking the army's path

> have been the chimp
> > protesters' only way to get one-on-one access with Ursus anyway.

> it would have most
> > especially have paid off if the chimp protest leader had been

> nephew, Lucius. And I
> > for one am skeptical that actor Lou Wagner was credited as playing
> Lucius in the "Beneath"
> > credits solely for its use of footage at the beginning

> from the end of the
> > original "Planet of the Apes" with Lucius in it.
> >
>

Thanks Joe for straightening this out. You're definitely an impeachable source.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> >Dear Folks--
>
> Lou Wagner never set foot on the set of BENEATH. The scene being
> argued does not exist. I have also reviewed the DAILY PRODUCTION
> REPORTS for the entire film. These records indicate EVERY TAKE of
> EVERY SHOT filmed during production of the film. It's length, the
> camera movement and the action depicted within the shot arer all
> documented in long-hand. I have this information for all 4 sequels.
> It is literally a BLUEPRINT of ALL shot footage, included OR deleted.
> In addtion, I have all the Cast AND call sheets for the films,
> indicating who was on the set on which days. NEGATIVE on all the
> above regarding this scene and/or Lou Wagner. I hope this sets the
> record straight-Joe Russo (co-author, PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED)
> >

>
>
> Closed at: US $6,000.00
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Closed at: US $6,000.00
> >
>
>
> 2. A buyer's premium of 22.5% will be added to the purchase of all
> lots in the sale. This premium is payable by the purchaser as part of
> the total purchase price. Guernsey's also receives a commission
> directly from the Consigner.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> Someone should tell them that it isn't the Cornelius outfit from the
> film. There are no heiroglyphs on the leather chest or sleeves, so it
> has to be Galen's outfit from the TV series.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Closed at: US $6,000.00
> > >
> >
> >
> > 2. A buyer's premium of 22.5% will be added to the purchase of all
> > lots in the sale. This premium is payable by the purchaser as part of
> > the total purchase price. Guernsey's also receives a commission
> > directly from the Consigner.
> >
>

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >Dear Folks--
>
> Lou Wagner never set foot on the set of BENEATH. The scene being
> argued does not exist. I have also reviewed the DAILY PRODUCTION
> REPORTS for the entire film. These records indicate EVERY TAKE of
> EVERY SHOT filmed during production of the film. It's length, the
> camera movement and the action depicted within the shot arer all
> documented in long-hand. I have this information for all 4 sequels.
> It is literally a BLUEPRINT of ALL shot footage, included OR

> In addtion, I have all the Cast AND call sheets for the films,
> indicating who was on the set on which days. NEGATIVE on all the
> above regarding this scene and/or Lou Wagner. I hope this sets the
> record straight-Joe Russo (co-author, PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED)
> >
> > So why is it that Lou Wagner has never mentioned it in any of the
> > interviews he's done. In Russo's book he talks about his

> > working on Planet and Conquest but never says a word about being

> a
> > scene cut from Beneath. What did the studio heads swear him to
> secrecy?
> >
> > If Wagner or any other actor had been engaged for a speaking part
> then
> > it would have been scripted not something quickly improvised on

> set
> > at the last minute. Also an FX technician would have had to be on
> set to
> > supervise the shot fired from Ursus's gun. And again that would
> have to
> > have been scripted and planned in advance, not something that was
> > improvised at the last minute.
> >
> > Now let's just review the available facts.
> >
> > - No version of the script reflects the scene you describe.
> >
> > - No person involved with the film has even said one word about

> > scene you describe. (Russo's book devotes two pages to this scene
> with
> > quotes from both Mort Abrams and Ted Post.)
> >
> > - The NATO preview film contains the same version that is in the
> film.
> > (It starts from Ursus and Zaius riding up to the protestors and

> > through the Ursus order the gorillas to remove them quietly.)
> >
> > - There exists no still or any other record of the scene you
> describe.
> >
> > - No one else has ever mentioned seeing the scene you describe.
> >
> > And you offer absolutely no evidence other than you own memory

> 38
> > years ago and specious examples from other films. At this point
> until
> > you can offer more concrete evidence it appears to be a product

> your
> > imagination.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@>

> > >
> > >
> > > Therefore, such a scene of the chimp protest leader confronting
> Ursus
> > would have been
> > > contextually consistent because that blocking the army's path
> would
> > have been the chimp
> > > protesters' only way to get one-on-one access with Ursus

> And
> > it would have most
> > > especially have paid off if the chimp protest leader had been
> Zira's
> > nephew, Lucius. And I
> > > for one am skeptical that actor Lou Wagner was credited as

> > Lucius in the "Beneath"
> > > credits solely for its use of footage at the beginning
> of "Beneath"
> > from the end of the
> > > original "Planet of the Apes" with Lucius in it.
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> Thanks Joe for straightening this out. You're definitely an
impeachable
> source.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Dear Folks--
> >
> > Lou Wagner never set foot on the set of BENEATH. The scene being
> > argued does not exist. I have also reviewed the DAILY PRODUCTION
> > REPORTS for the entire film. These records indicate EVERY TAKE of
> > EVERY SHOT filmed during production of the film. It's length, the
> > camera movement and the action depicted within the shot arer all
> > documented in long-hand. I have this information for all 4
sequels.
> > It is literally a BLUEPRINT of ALL shot footage, included OR
deleted.
> > In addtion, I have all the Cast AND call sheets for the films,
> > indicating who was on the set on which days. NEGATIVE on all the
> > above regarding this scene and/or Lou Wagner. I hope this sets the
> > record straight-Joe Russo (co-author, PLANET OF THE APES
REVISITED)
> > >
>

You're right on both counts.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I think you mean "unimpeachable." George W. Bush is impeachable. :)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > Thanks Joe for straightening this out. You're definitely an
> impeachable
> > source.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Dear Folks--
> > >
> > > Lou Wagner never set foot on the set of BENEATH. The scene being
> > > argued does not exist. I have also reviewed the DAILY PRODUCTION
> > > REPORTS for the entire film. These records indicate EVERY TAKE of
> > > EVERY SHOT filmed during production of the film. It's length, the
> > > camera movement and the action depicted within the shot arer all
> > > documented in long-hand. I have this information for all 4
> sequels.
> > > It is literally a BLUEPRINT of ALL shot footage, included OR
> deleted.
> > > In addtion, I have all the Cast AND call sheets for the films,
> > > indicating who was on the set on which days. NEGATIVE on all the
> > > above regarding this scene and/or Lou Wagner. I hope this sets the
> > > record straight-Joe Russo (co-author, PLANET OF THE APES
> REVISITED)
> > > >
> >
>

> *** I accept your challenge. Here are some of things I think are weird, if
> not just dumb: The whole school bus thing in BATTLE. He compares that
> school bus carrying mutants to invade the ape's city to the children from
> the inner city schools being bussed to the "white" schools out of their
> districts.

Coming as he does with a biracial perspective, I can certainly understand why he himself might have felt that way. He didn't say, however, that that was the only way that sequence could be interpretted.

*** I do not get the "because he's bi-racial, I can understand why" bit at all in this case. He was not an inner city youth being bussed out of his neighborhood. He was a child actor I believe, so if that was the case, I'd think he wasn't even in a situation where bussing to a "better school" was an issue. His bi-racialness would play not part in seeing anything that way. I'd think the only ones who could see it that way are/were the youths who actually experienced it first hand, and of course their families and the people in their neighborhoods who seen what was happening to them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I think it's crazy to say the astronauts in the TV series are a metaphor
> for the US Army in Vietnam (Or was it The Peace Corps?)

Well, the writers for the TV series certainly treated the astronauts as if they were
combination fugitives, Peace Corps members and Good Samaritans all in one. I don't recall Eric Greene writing anything to that effect as you've written though.

*** Read the third paragraph on page 158 to see the "peace corps" reference. ***

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The bit about saying because Zira was successful, she would be "ugly"
> by human standards, and because Nova is attractive she is automatically
> "dumb". And, as soon as Nova speaks, she is killed so they gave a message
> of "You can be attractive and dumb, but when you show intelligence, we'll
> kill you."

I don't recall Green writing anything to that effect whatsoever. Please cite the exact passage from Green's book wherein he alleges any such thing.

*** Read page 38 to see what I was referencing here. Of course what I said was just a paraphrase, as the book wasn't right in front of me at the time. That said, the message still remains the same. ***

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> When he spoke of the RETURN series, he said that they had Urko in
> a state of Nixon paranoia when he says "Is there a conspiracy against
> me?!?" all because they had heavy black eyebrows on him. Mr. Greene
> seemed to say that it had to be done as a Nixon reference because
> that was the only time they ever drew Urko that way. Had he watched
> the series with his eyes open he would have seen there were a few
> times he was drawn that way, not only in his state of being paranoid
> as he called it.

Why couldn't both hold true simutaneously?

*** I stand corrected. He did say that Urko was drawn that way a couple of times. ***

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> I could go on, but I think I said enough about why I think his ideas
> are "weird". Reading into things that are not there and grasping at
> straws to make everything have a metaphor or some deep rooted
> meaning is weird in my eyes. It also makes for a long read that is
> equatable to a college term paper. ***

It saddens me to realize that there are people like you who seem rather ignorant of
recent U.S. history to that degree much less begrudge a thoughtful person's analytical interpretation of a work which he qualifies from his own unique perspective with some profound insights.

*** And it saddens me that people like you think you know everything there is to know about what other people think because of their ethnicity. You set there and say "Person X" is this race, so he thinks this way, and "Person Y" is this race so she thinks this way, and "Person Z", well, they're mixed race, so they have to think this certain way. Great to know there are people like you keeping everybody's thoughts and perspectives straight for them.

It's also pretty a**inine for you to set there saying I don't know anything about recent history because I disagree with an author's reading into things that aren't necessarily there. I know plenty of things, and I know that I wish you'd just go away.

Again, what people read into a work is beyond the control of a work's author/creator.

 

*** True. Lord knows you read way more into anything anyone said on here. People asked you to prove something and you sat back writing out the history of the world when all they asked for was a shred of evidence to say "Yeah, maybe this did exist." You asked me to provide specific passages/pages to back up what was said in Mr. Greene's book and I did. I knew what I read existed for sure before I went around saying something was there when it wasn't. ***

 

 

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>
> So why is it that Lou Wagner has never mentioned it in any of the
> interviews he's done. In Russo's book he talks about his experience
> working on Planet and Conquest but never says a word about being in a
> scene cut from Beneath. What did the studio heads swear him to secrecy?

> If Wagner or any other actor had been engaged for a speaking part then
> it would have been scripted not something quickly improvised on the set
> at the last minute.

> Also an FX technician would have had to be on set to supervise the shot\
> fired from Ursus's gun.

> And again that would have to have been scripted and planned in advance,
> not something that was improvised at the last minute.

> Now let's just review the available facts.
>
> - No version of the script reflects the scene you describe.

> - No person involved with the film has even said one word about the
> scene you describe. (Russo's book devotes two pages to this scene with
> quotes from both Mort Abrams and Ted Post.)

> - The NATO preview film contains the same version that is in the film.
> (It starts from Ursus and Zaius riding up to the protestors and goes
> through the Ursus order the gorillas to remove them quietly.)

> - There exists no still or any other record of the scene you describe.

> - No one else has ever mentioned seeing the scene you describe.

> And you offer absolutely no evidence other than you own memory from 38
> years ago and specious examples from other films. At this point until
> you can offer more concrete evidence it appears to be a product of your
> imagination.

> James King <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
> > > It is my supposition that the dumb humans seen in "Planet" and "Beneath" were of

> >
> > *** Wow, I almost agree with you here. I also think that the humans in
> > PLANET/BENEATH are the end result of generation upon generation of
> > all the various races interbreeding. They are indeed one race which
> > formed from all of the others.
>
> James King: "Then you would appear to be asserting the very sentiment
> that racists do when citing their own "Planet of the Apes" code word,
> standing for their contention that the humans in the future are mute and
> unintelligent as a result of centuries of race mixing.
>
> *** If anything YOU were the one who said that first.


> Excerpt from pages 176-177 of the book "'PLANET OF THE APES' AS AMERICAN MYTH:

>

> James King <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
> > *** I accept your challenge. Here are some of things I think are weird, if
> > not just dumb: The whole school bus thing in BATTLE. He compares that
> > school bus carrying mutants to invade the ape's city to the children from
> > the inner city schools being bussed to the "white" schools out of their
> > districts.
>
> Coming as he does with a biracial perspective, I can certainly understand why he himself

>
> *** I do not get the "because he's bi-racial, I can understand why" bit at
> all in this case. He was not an inner city youth being bussed out of his
> neighborhood. He was a child actor I believe, so if that was the case, I'd
> think he wasn't even in a situation where bussing to a "better school" was
> an issue. His bi-racialness would play not part in seeing anything that way.
> I'd think the only ones who could see it that way are/were the youths who
> actually experienced it first hand, and of course their families and the
> people in their neighborhoods who seen what was happening to them.

> > I think it's crazy to say the astronauts in the TV series are a metaphor
> > for the US Army in Vietnam (Or was it The Peace Corps?)
>
> Well, the writers for the TV series certainly treated the astronauts as if they were
> combination fugitives, Peace Corps members and Good Samaritans all in one. I don't

>
> *** Read the third paragraph on page 158 to see the "peace corps" reference. ***

> > The bit about saying because Zira was successful, she would be "ugly"
> > by human standards, and because Nova is attractive she is automatically
> > "dumb". And, as soon as Nova speaks, she is killed so they gave a message
> > of "You can be attractive and dumb, but when you show intelligence, we'll
> > kill you."
>
> I don't recall Green writing anything to that effect whatsoever. Please cite the exact

>
> *** Read page 38 to see what I was referencing here. Of course what I said was just a

> > I could go on, but I think I said enough about why I think his ideas
> > are "weird". Reading into things that are not there and grasping at
> > straws to make everything have a metaphor or some deep rooted
> > meaning is weird in my eyes. It also makes for a long read that is
> > equatable to a college term paper. ***
>
> It saddens me to realize that there are people like you who seem rather ignorant of
> recent U.S. history to that degree much less begrudge a thoughtful person's analytical

>
> *** And it saddens me that people like you think you know everything there is to know

> You set there and say "Person X" is this race, so he thinks this way, and
> "Person Y" is this race so she thinks this way, and "Person Z", well, they're
> mixed race, so they have to think this certain way. Great to know there
> are people like you keeping everybody's thoughts and perspectives
> straight for them.

> It's also pretty a**inine for you to set there saying I don't know
> anything about recent history because I disagree with an author's
> reading into things that aren't necessarily there. I know plenty of
> things, and I know that I wish you'd just go away.

> Again, what people read into a work is beyond the control of a work's author/creator.
>
> *** True. Lord knows you read way more into anything anyone said on here.

> People asked you to prove something and you sat back writing out
> the history of the world when all they asked for was a shred of
> evidence to say "Yeah, maybe this did exist."

> You asked me to provide specific passages/pages to back up what
> was said in Mr. Greene's book and I did. I knew what I read existed
> for sure before I went around saying something was there when it
> wasn't. ***

> No there were two wagons in the scene. They were empty until the
> Gorillas put the chimps into them. There were no humans in the wagons.
> That is not a simplistic notion that is what is in the film.

> And before you make the claim that there may have been another wagon
> filled with humans out of shot, Beneath had a limited budget.

> They didn't have the money to engage a whole bunch of extras not required
> for the scene. Take a look at the scene of the Ape Army leaving Ape City.

> The rest of the city is deserted. Why? Because they didn't have the
> money for additonal extras.

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >Dear Folks--
>
> Lou Wagner never set foot on the set of BENEATH. The scene being
> argued does not exist. I have also reviewed the DAILY PRODUCTION
> REPORTS for the entire film. These records indicate EVERY TAKE of
> EVERY SHOT filmed during production of the film. It's length, the
> camera movement and the action depicted within the shot arer all
> documented in long-hand. I have this information for all 4 sequels.
> It is literally a BLUEPRINT of ALL shot footage, included OR deleted.
> In addtion, I have all the Cast AND call sheets for the films,
> indicating who was on the set on which days. NEGATIVE on all the
> above regarding this scene and/or Lou Wagner. I hope this sets the
> record straight-Joe Russo (co-author, PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED)

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:59 AM, apecalypsenow <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:

Hello all,

I'm seriously thinking to create a new universe/Apeline to host the
events of the 1974 'PLANET OF THE APES' TV SERIES. These are my
profound argumentations:

1- The time anomaly introduced in the TV series somehow contrasts
with THAT related to the FIVE "PROPER" THEATRICAL MOVIES (if viewed
from an alternative timeline perspective, and not the circular loop
one). If something, the 1970 Unknown Astronauts Mission and the 1980
ANSA Mission (Virdon & Burke) COULD fit(?) into a predestination
paradox view, in relationship with the events of the first TWO POTA
MOVIES... and that is really too confusing, IMHO.
I mean, Virdon and Burke (whose mission happened AFTER Taylor and
Brent's time displacement) must have seriously affected the timeline
in the same way CORNELIUS and ZIRA's time displacement did. So I
don't think we can consider the events of the TV SERIES as "part" of
the timeline Taylor and Brent belongs to and interacts with.
It's safer to assume VIRDON and BURKE don't exist in the same
universe Taylor and Brent inhabit in.

2- Cinematography/Photography. Think about it. Maybe it's cooler to
assume each different "cinematography" used in the POTA productions
(five theatrical movies, tv series, cartoon, Burton's remake)
generates a "different" universe. Since the production of the TV
series is different from those of the MOVIES... here we go.

What do you think ????????????????????????

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "night wing" <em2postwith@...> wrote:
>
> I always thought it could be made to fit, I assumed that Virdon and
Burke's
> Time Displacement landed them at a time in the distant past from
when Taylor
> and Brent arrived. I assumed they arrived in a time approxmately
100 to 300
> years after Battle for the Planet of the Apes, and the Zaius that
they knew
> was an ancestor of Zaius from the first 2 films. I am not aware of
any
> continuity gliches that would make my theory wrong, but than again
I have
> not watched the TV series any time within the past 10 years so
there is
> could be reference events that escape my memory that could destroy
my
> theory.
>
> Emily
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:59 AM, apecalypsenow <apecalypsenow@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm seriously thinking to create a new universe/Apeline to host
the
> > events of the 1974 'PLANET OF THE APES' TV SERIES. These are my
> > profound argumentations:
> >
> > 1- The time anomaly introduced in the TV series somehow contrasts
> > with THAT related to the FIVE "PROPER" THEATRICAL MOVIES (if
viewed
> > from an alternative timeline perspective, and not the circular
loop
> > one). If something, the 1970 Unknown Astronauts Mission and the
1980
> > ANSA Mission (Virdon & Burke) COULD fit(?) into a predestination
> > paradox view, in relationship with the events of the first TWO
POTA
> > MOVIES... and that is really too confusing, IMHO.
> > I mean, Virdon and Burke (whose mission happened AFTER Taylor and
> > Brent's time displacement) must have seriously affected the
timeline
> > in the same way CORNELIUS and ZIRA's time displacement did. So I
> > don't think we can consider the events of the TV SERIES as "part"
of
> > the timeline Taylor and Brent belongs to and interacts with.
> > It's safer to assume VIRDON and BURKE don't exist in the same
> > universe Taylor and Brent inhabit in.
> >
> > 2- Cinematography/Photography. Think about it. Maybe it's cooler
to
> > assume each different "cinematography" used in the POTA
productions
> > (five theatrical movies, tv series, cartoon, Burton's remake)
> > generates a "different" universe. Since the production of the TV
> > series is different from those of the MOVIES... here we go.
> >
> > What do you think ????????????????????????
> >
> > T.C.
> >
> >
> >
>

Hey Joe, any developments on a revised, improved version of 'Revisited'?


*** I agree, it'd be cool to see an updated version of it, or a follow up to it. By that I mean a book of the various interviews or something. Or better yet, a "coffee table book" filled with various stills, etc. ***

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>
> In a message dated 3/16/2008 5:57:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> shrstrategygames@... writes:
>
> Let's face it: If any movie studio back in the '60s or '70s considered a
> scene in any
> movie to be potentially embarrassing, insenstive, off-putting and/or
> controversial to the
> extreme because of an actual incident or recent turn of events in the nation
> which that
> scene might inadvertently be inferred by the movie-going public to be
> alluding to,
> satirizing and/or making light of, then based on its content and potential
> offensiveness,
> they might very well want to delete its very existence altogether from the
> studio records in
> true "It Never Happened" style.
> Is this person for real? Enough is enough already. Hey, for years I could
> swear there was more to the sauna scene between Ursus and Zaius, where Zaius
> stood in front of the sitting Ursus, who has his legs spread apart, and says,
> "General, I always thought you were crazy, but now I see YOU'RE NUTS!"

> To the guy who started this thread, please close your legs!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> I've read some reviews: it seems that the video transfer for the
RETURN
> series is excellent. So the image quality must be free from speckles,
> scratches and spots. I bet it was remastered or restored, or both of
> them.
>
> I'm now wondering: why did they put a great effort into the animated
> series and totally overlooked the 1974 live action series whose DVD
> treatment is very very POOR?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
> I for one am going to skip over any mail with this title (Search for Missing Scene etc). til this blows over.
>
> Bruce
>
>

Hey everyone! I've just been informed that our little group here is now featured on the Yahoo Best of Groups page: http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.html" as the #2 Movies group.

Thanks to all the great members here for making this honor possible. I knew we were a great group but it's nice to be officially recognized for it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey everyone! I've just been informed that our little group here is
now
> featured on the Yahoo Best of Groups page:
>
http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.html"
>
<http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.htm
\
> l> as the #2 Movies group.
>
> Thanks to all the great members here for making this honor possible. I
> knew we were a great group but it's nice to be officially recognized
for
> it.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: James King

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:33 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Search for Missing Scene from "Beneath the Planet of the Apes"

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2008 5:57:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> shrstrategygames@ ... writes:
>
> Let's face it: If any movie studio back in the '60s or '70s considered a
> scene in any
> movie to be potentially embarrassing, insenstive, off-putting and/or
> controversial to the
> extreme because of an actual incident or recent turn of events in the nation
> which that
> scene might inadvertently be inferred by the movie-going public to be
> alluding to,
> satirizing and/or making light of, then based on its content and potential
> offensiveness,
> they might very well want to delete its very existence altogether from the
> studio records in
> true "It Never Happened" style.
> Is this person for real? Enough is enough already. Hey, for years I could
> swear there was more to the sauna scene between Ursus and Zaius, where Zaius
> stood in front of the sitting Ursus, who has his legs spread apart, and says,
> "General, I always thought you were crazy, but now I see YOU'RE NUTS!"

LOL! I remembered reading about how Marice Evans and James Gregory had gested that
they were concerned at first about that scene since there was some sort of wording in their
contracts to the effect that they'd have to supply their own costume (or something to that
effect).

> To the guy who started this thread, please close your legs!

Rory, what you fail to realize is that back in 1970, the spirit of what General Ursus
represented was already abundantly evident in America with FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover
investigating people in Hollywood who voiced opposition to the Vietnam War. And then
there was President Richard M. Nixon with his own Enemies List to boot among whom
were quite a number of Hollywood actors, directors, writers, etc. whom he sometimes
attempted to blacklist in his own unique fashion through back channels.

Wasn't it enough that President Nixon in 1972 could have wield such influence as to
sway a studio head (Jack Warner of Warner Brothers Studios) to edit out an entire song out
of a *patriotic musical*, the song "Cool, Cool Conservative Men" from the movie version of
"1776"? (And we only learned this some 30 years after the fact.)

That took major cajones if not General Ursus. <Rimshot!>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey everyone! I've just been informed that our little group here is now
> featured on the Yahoo Best of Groups page:
> http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.html"
>
<http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.htm\
> l> as the #2 Movies group.
>
> Thanks to all the great members here for making this honor possible. I
> knew we were a great group but it's nice to be officially recognized for
> it.
>

Hey everyone! I've just been informed that our little group here is now featured on the Yahoo Best of Groups page: http://advision. webevents. yahoo.com/ bestofyahoogroup s/entertainment..html" as the #2 Movies group.

Thanks to all the great members here for making this honor possible. I knew we were a great group but it's nice to be officially recognized for it.

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Thanks Gerry and welcome to the group.

To answer your questions:

1) There are still plans for a trade paperback but when it will happen is still up in the air. There were also plans for a follow-up series called 'Empire of the Planet of the Apes' but that won't be going forward.

'Revolution' was a great comic but suffered from poor distribution in comic stores. But if you go to this site: http://alteredstates.inwards.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=738 you should be able to order all the issues.

2) The UK Marvel mags did have some original material but most of the articles from the US mag were not included. You can see the UK mags in PDF format at this site: https://pota.goatley.com/marvel_uk.html"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Gerry Shannon" <the_clone_of_maul@...> wrote:
>
> Guys, just recently re-watched the first four Apes movies in one
> night... and just had to drop in and express my support for being a
> fantastic resource for great discussion on the film series and beyond.
> (Plus, congrats on the Yahoo! recognition).
>
> Naturally, for a newbie I've two collecting-related inquries:
>
> 1) Is there a plan to collect 'Revolution on the Planet of the Apes'
> into a graphic novel? I personally found issues very hard to find when
> the series was on release, and only got the first one. Is there plans
> on a follow-up?
> 2) Looking at the E-Bay auctions, what's more worth picking up the
> Marvel UK Apes comics... or the US ones? (It's my understanding
> original material was produced for the UK version).
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> Hey everyone! I've just been informed that our little group here is
now featured on the Yahoo Best of Groups page:
http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.html"
<http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.htm
\l> as the #2 Movies group.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> I recently bought the restored DVD set of RETURN, and the video and
> sound quality are excellent. I originally had a bootleg DVD set
that
> was very poor in quality. The DVD set is selling on Amazon.com for
> under $20, which is a good price, in my opinion.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@> wrote:
> >
> > I've read some reviews: it seems that the video transfer for the
> RETURN
> > series is excellent. So the image quality must be free from
speckles,
> > scratches and spots. I bet it was remastered or restored, or both
of
> > them.
> >
> > I'm now wondering: why did they put a great effort into the
animated
> > series and totally overlooked the 1974 live action series whose
DVD
> > treatment is very very POOR?
> >
>

>
> 1) There are still plans for a trade paperback but when it will happen
> is still up in the air. There were also plans for a follow-up series
> called 'Empire of the Planet of the Apes' but that won't be going
> forward.
>
> 'Revolution' was a great comic but suffered from poor distribution in
> comic stores.

---

To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: apecalypsenow@...
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:47:56 +0000
Subject: [pota] Re: Video Transfer of the 'RETURN' series

Jeff,

I'm AMAZED. They restored the animated series (which is great, by the
way) but did NOT restore the live action series. This sounds
incredible.

Why that? I mean, the live action series has a fan following!

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@.. .> wrote:
>
> I recently bought the restored DVD set of RETURN, and the video and
> sound quality are excellent. I originally had a bootleg DVD set
that
> was very poor in quality. The DVD set is selling on Amazon.com for
> under $20, which is a good price, in my opinion.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@ > wrote:
> >
> > I've read some reviews: it seems that the video transfer for the
> RETURN
> > series is excellent. So the image quality must be free from
speckles,
> > scratches and spots. I bet it was remastered or restored, or both
of
> > them.
> >
> > I'm now wondering: why did they put a great effort into the
animated
> > series and totally overlooked the 1974 live action series whose
DVD
> > treatment is very very POOR?
> >
>

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>
> Yes, I/we have knocked around the idea of re-publishing a new version

>
> Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote: Hey Joe, any developments on a

>
>
> *** I agree, it'd be cool to see an updated version of it, or a

>
>
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>

>
> As well it should be, James! As well it should be.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> > Hey everyone! I've just been informed that our little group here is
> now featured on the Yahoo Best of Groups page:
>

>

> \l> as the #2 Movies group.
>

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:37 AM, shanter2002 <john@...> wrote:

Well done guys! Richly deserved recognition for managing the bag of
monkeys that is Apedom.With Simian Scrolls getting fanzine of the month
from SFX Mag, us Ape-o-nauts must be doing something right! Have a
banana on me! John, Scrolls.

>
> As well it should be, James! As well it should be.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> > Hey everyone! I've just been informed that our little group here is
> now featured on the Yahoo Best of Groups page:
>
http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.html"
>
<http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/bestofyahoogroups/entertainment.htm
> \l> as the #2 Movies group.
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2008 9:24:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mego73@... writes:
>
> The TV show was put out early in the life of DVD's. I don't think
the
> transfers are bad in that context. The animated series benefits
from being a later
> release where there is more established technology to digitally
restore
> picture and sound.
>
> Also, it is just plain easier to restore animation (especially
limited
> animation) because there is a lot of solid colors in many scenes
that could be
> sampled to cover up scratches, spots and blemishes.
> The "quality" of the 35mm prints on the APES TV show were never
that great
> to begin with. If you could pass through a Hasslein Curve and pop
back in
> front of a TV set in the fall of 1974, I doubt you'd be looking at
anything
> better than what's now on DVD.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
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