--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> Great looking Taylor figure.
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew>
>
> How long did that take you to do?
>

To paint his head probably a good 8 hours (I'm including taking a
toothpick and picking off whatever the nailpolish remover couldn't
do) TWICE. This is the third paint job on that same head, and it's
my first human that I have painted. I don't remember how long it
took to make his outfit. Probably lots of time, but time well spent
because it was POTA-related... I don't remember really...I've been
working on this particular doll since Feb. 28 when I get home from
work.

Hopefully I can find the pants I made so I could take a whole body
shot. I still need to whip up a backpack and real leather shoes,
since the plastic ones I was trying to put on him tore.

Jessica.

Greetings, Newbie, and welcome to the group!

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Karyl" <gone2thebad@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there my fellow fans! I have been a fan of these movies for
YEARS!
> I didn't follow the series much, and I couldn't abide the crummy
> animation of the cartoon, but I did get a couple of the novelizations
> of the movies, especially the last three.
>
> I'm going to be popping in and spouting off quite frequently, just a
> friendly warning, uh...piece of advice! Yeah! That's it! Piece of
> advice!
>
> Anyhoo, I'm looking forward to making quite a few friends in this
> group, discussing alternate universes, crossovers, characters,
> merchandise, and all that other lovely stuff.
>
> TTFN! Or Tata For Now!
>

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In a message dated 3/17/2008 1:28:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I'm not classy enough to know Stravinsky-- is that a valid
comparison with Apes? John, Scrolls.

Bella Bartok would be more like it, but I get what they mean --

 

They always mention Stravinsky because he's the Father of Atonal Music.

When he first performed his Right of Spring it caused a riot.  No atonal

scores in films and television are nothing special.  In the late 60's and

early 70's they were the rule rather than the exception and POTA

one if the pioneers of it.  You can still hear it ripped off in Kung

Fu movies.  And I don't mean imitated but lifted off the print.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 3/17/2008 6:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

It is possible to do a digital remaster which is what they are doing with Star Trek. But it is very expensive.

Digitally remaster the POTA TV series?  One problem with that is -- how would it improve the scripts?

 

-- Rory

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I'm trying to work out getting there! Has anyone heard anything about a schedule? I'm wondering if I get to NYC for Friday and Saturday wuld I get to see all five films....I'm going to call the Ziegfeld tomorrow as I need to make some plans! are you guys going friday?

Tim

softparadeband <softparadeband@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, m c <aboro3085@. ..> wrote:
 By the way, Larry Landsman and I along with fellow group
members Rory Monteith and Frank Maiocco will all be attending the 40th
Anniversary showing(s) in NYC! Rory and I go back a loong way...we met
as pen-pals back in 1974!!
>

---

Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Please let us know what you find out, Tim. I'm working on two for a
LONG day on Saturday by Greyhound. Are they showing all five films?
If they are showing all five, I might want to make bigger plans.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to work out getting there! Has anyone heard anything
about a schedule? I'm wondering if I get to NYC for Friday and
Saturday wuld I get to see all five films....I'm going to call the
Ziegfeld tomorrow as I need to make some plans! are you guys going friday?
>
> Tim
>
> softparadeband <softparadeband@...> wrote:
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> By the way, Larry Landsman and I along with fellow group
> members Rory Monteith and Frank Maiocco will all be attending the 40th
> Anniversary showing(s) in NYC! Rory and I go back a loong way...we met
> as pen-pals back in 1974!!
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:

>
> Greetings, everyone. In the sci-fi movie "Sunshine" (recently released
> on DVD), the two spacecraft are named the Icarus I and the Icarus II.
> I wonder if the filmmakers knew of the significance of that name.

I doubt it, Jeff. In 'Sunshine' the Spacecraft are aptly named before
filming because their mission is to (almost) fly deliberately into the
sun. In APES the name Icarus is a fan invention.

Dave

In the first episode of the series, the young chimpanzee is running
through the forest after a dog, so there's one potential continuity
glitch right there. The next is the book Virdon and Burke find in
the shelter, with the "photograph" (an illustration, really) of New
York City, supposedly taken in the year 2503 and with the city
looking like TomorrowLand.

That said, it's still fun to try and fit it all together. :)


Dayton

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "night wing" <em2postwith@...> wrote:
>
> I always thought it could be made to fit, I assumed that Virdon
and Burke's
> Time Displacement landed them at a time in the distant past from
when Taylor
> and Brent arrived. I assumed they arrived in a time approxmately
100 to 300
> years after Battle for the Planet of the Apes, and the Zaius that
they knew
> was an ancestor of Zaius from the first 2 films. I am not aware
of any
> continuity gliches that would make my theory wrong, but than again
I have
> not watched the TV series any time within the past 10 years so
there is
> could be reference events that escape my memory that could destroy
my
> theory.
>
> Emily

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In a message dated 3/18/2008 12:08:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

I'm trying to work out getting there! Has anyone heard anything about a schedule? I'm wondering if I get to NYC for Friday and Saturday wuld I get to see all five films....I'm going to call the Ziegfeld tomorrow as I need to make some plans! are you guys going friday?

Tim

Based on the schedule for what's currently showing...

 

http://www.clearviewcinemas.com/ziegfeld/ziegfeld-comingsoon.html"

 

looks like they show movies at 2 PM, 5 PM and 8 PM.

 

I have a feeling PLANET will be shown every day at various times and will alternate with BENEATH and ESCAPE on one day, and CONQUEST and BATTLE on others...

 

But it's just a feeling.

 

-- Rory

 

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yeah...the phone number on there doesn't seem to
work......

am waiting top find out for sure before I book a
flight...jet blue has cheap tickets!

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/18/2008 12:08:06 A.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> I'm trying to work out getting there! Has anyone
> heard anything about a
> schedule? I'm wondering if I get to NYC for Friday
> and Saturday wuld I get to see
> all five films....I'm going to call the Ziegfeld
> tomorrow as I need to make
> some plans! are you guys going friday?
>
> Tim
> Based on the schedule for what's currently
> showing...
>
>

_http://www.clearviewcinemas.com/ziegfeld/ziegfeld-comingsoon.html

>
>

(http://www.clearviewcinemas.com/ziegfeld/ziegfeld-comingsoon.html

>
>
> looks like they show movies at 2 PM, 5 PM and 8 PM.
>
> I have a feeling PLANET will be shown every day at
> various times and will
> alternate with BENEATH and ESCAPE on one day, and
> CONQUEST and BATTLE on
> others...
>
> But it's just a feeling.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and
> advice on AOL Money &
> Finance.
> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)
>

________________________

French author Pierre Boulle, author of the original "Planet of the Apes" book, was offered
an opportunity to propose his own sequel to the first POTA movie and scripted "The Planet
of Man" which ends with Dr. Zaius re-trained and reconditioned to perform as a circus ape
and barely able to utter any intelligible response as he performs in a circus for the
entertainment of an audience of now-rehabilitated, -civilized and -speaking huma beings.

Of course, in the summer of 1976, since I hadn't yet learned about that little factoid, I
was unanble to appreciate the irony when the traveling Hanneford Circus visited Monroe,
Louisiana. (This small traveling circus was probably about the size as that of Armando's in
"Escape.") Had I known, I might otherwise have been prompted to also take a still camera
also with me instead of just my Super 8 movie camera (yes, folks, I've got physical
evidence of this one). What prompted me to attend was that they were were advertising
the circus as featuring a tribute to the characters from the "Planet of the Apes" movies.
However, I couldn't tell from their flyers whether they were using imagery from the stills of
the movies or not.

When the main event arrived during the circus, into the center rings of the circus rode
General Ursus and a number of gorillas on horseback accomapanied by a number of
soldier gorillas on foot all the world appearing to be pursuing Dr. Zaius, Cornelius and Zira
on foot. I shall spare you the details except to say that Dr. Zaius & Company would not
have been flattered by all the cavorting they did around the circus rings. Sorry, no
dialogue-scene re-enactments from the movies. No opportunity to get one's photograph
taken with the characters (which *would* have been a better draw and money-maker). No
scintillating evening with either Bill or Paul Blake to offer us even a faithful glimpse of the
personalities of our beleoved POTA characters.

I as a POTA fan felt so ultimately humiliated about how the Hanneford Circus had
staged their so called "tribute" to the Planet of the Apes characters that when I first read
about the ending to Boulle's proposed "Planet of Man" sequel, I couldn't help but
appreciate the awful irony that what I'd seen in the Hanneford Circus had been quite
humiliating enough for Dr. Zaius, I would not have relished seeing his character portrayed
as having been reduced to a near speechless (it not totally speechless) primate.

I don't know whether the Hanneford Circus had purchased those left-over POTA
costumes and make-up appliances from the studio or other studio-prop warehouse, but
they certainly wasted an opportunity to have more fun with the concept since the main
POTA characters seemed to be wearing the actual make-up appliances and not just masks.


By the way, what ever became of Zira & Cornelius re-enactors Bill & Paula Blake?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
>
> Yes, I/we have knocked around the idea of re-publishing a new version
> of of POTA REVISTED with an improved revised design (St.Martin's let us
> down with the job they did), new photos and additional/unused material.

In addition to the additional/unused material, have you gleaned any major new info or
anecdotes as the result of the publication of the first edition of POTA REVISITED that may
have come your way via the Internet?

Does 20th Century-Fox grant access to its own archives on the POTA movies?

> And we would eagerly DROP the 2001 re-make nonsense (which the
> PUBLSIHER wanted us to include, we didn't want it ourselves). We'll see
> how it goes.

Still, a post-mortem of Burton's POTA might very well underscore how unique and
classic in their own right the original POTA movie series was.

I would also like to see more info about the different anniversariy celebrations (40th,
30th, etc.) commemorating the movie series.

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In a message dated 3/18/2008 2:51:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

yeah...the phone number on there doesn't seem to
work......

am waiting top find out for sure before I book a
flight...jet blue has cheap tickets!

And at this point I'm only assuming that they'll be showing all five films.  Not even that has been confirmed.

 

-- Rory

 

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In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named by Cornelius and
Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees were imported to
play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not survive the trip so the
remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the Apes Revisited,
2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young age!

That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to have appeared in any
of the five original POTA movies. My question has been... whatever
happened to that chimp?

Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo. I was fortunate to
talk by phone with several people along the way who had an interest in
chimpanzees and the film industry -- both as trainers and as rescuers.

Some of you have been contacted and some have been involved in the
search. I've talked with Mark Beckoff (Partner in animal study with
Jane Goodall), Dan Westfall (Owner of Cheeta the Chimp -- World's
Oldest Known Chimpanzee), Wally Swett (Primarily Primates), and even
Robin Dickson (the daughter of Roy Kabat -- Baby Milo's trainer).

As far as we can tell from video clips of Milo during training, the
chimp's name is Kelley. With that small amount of information, we
were able to track her to a zoo in the Midwest and even within
whiskers of the Primarily Primates Sanctuary in Amarillo, TX. Walley
Swett believes he turned her owner away when she was looking for a
place for Kelley.

Anyway, I came to a standstill at a facility in Bastrop, TX: MD
Anderson Cancer Center. I have the name of the guy I spoke with, but
I don't remember off the top of my head. He was pleasant, but did
warn me not to get too excited. It's hard to track down specific apes
if their history has been lost. Most travel about with little more
than a name, and many times that is changed or lost as well. The age
of a chimp is often estimated and is likely to be off by two or more
years in any direction.

If this is our Kelley she is presently employed as a nurse aunt at the
facility. That is good news. At the time when I spoke with the
fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the chimps that are bred
for use in the facility. She lives in a compound with other chimps,
is presumably well cared for (as she has an important job), and is
well-liked by the people who work at the facility.

I have no update, except that a few minutes ago I found this webpage
on the internet and thought I would share. http://tinyurl.com/3cv5tv
Click on the link "Who's There?" to open a list of the chimpanzees
at the facility. Follow the list down until you find Kelley. I
believe it is reasonably likely that is our Baby Milo. (Project R&R,
2007.)

Helen

Hey all, I know I don't post much (or at least as much as Bill does but I was wondering:

1. Did you guys like the Planet that BrokenSea did?

and 2. Did you like the performances that me and the other actors did? (I was Various Gorillas and Commander Brent)

Just was wondering your opinion.

Dunno if Bill wants this out, but more Planet will be coming (from beneath).

--
Best Regards,
Colin

Hey all, I know I don't post much (or at least as much as Bill does but I was wondering:

1. Did you guys like the Planet that BrokenSea did?

and 2. Did you like the performances that me and the other actors did? (I was Various Gorillas and Commander Brent)

Just was wondering your opinion.

Dunno if Bill wants this out, but more Planet will be coming (from beneath).

--
Best Regards,
Colin

Colin Snow <colindsnow@...> wrote:

Hey all, I know I don't post much (or at least as much as Bill does but I was wondering:

1. Did you guys like the Planet that BrokenSea did?

*** I can honestly say it did nothing for me.

 

While I appreciate attempts at things like that, I think doing an original story would have been a better way to go (ala "GOING HOME"). But, then again with so many changes and additions to the material, it might as well have been touted as an original production. It was not the PLANET that is so great to me.

 

You cannot improve on perfection and PLANET is one of thse untouchable things in my book. ***

---

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It's not Apes but I think it's safe to assume anyone here has an
interest in Sci Fi and therefore knows who Arthur was.

Dave

I'll have to hunt out some Stravinsky.If Jerry is the Beethoven of
film scores, would that make Danny Elfman the Spice Girls of film
scores? John, Scrolls.

>
> Hi,
>
> If you ever saw the original "Fantasia" and remember the Night On
> Bald Mountain sequence or even the Dinosaur one then you will
> understand the Stravinsky comparsion. In the Dinosaur sequence

there

> is a scene with volcanos popping with lava. It is very much in the
> style of the OMEN when the priest is running during the killer
> storm. Goldsmith held the style of Stravinsky in many was, with
> tone, especially when doing experimental and atonal passages.
> Personally, I always felt he was the Beethoven of film music, while
> John Williams is the Morzart.
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > So Hans Zimmer is reported as saying in today's Times (UK). He

says

> > that some modern scores 'drift around like cows grazing' and
> > asks 'Where is the next Jerry Goldsmith', with the Times

referring

> to
> > Jerry as 'the late composer of the Stravinsky-inspired score for
> Planet
> > of the Apes'. I'm not classy enough to know Stravinsky--is that a
> valid
> > comparison with Apes? John, Scrolls.
> >
>

Greetings, everyone. In this post is a link to a page about the music
Jerry Goldsmith scored for both PLANET & ESCAPE. It goes into detail
about the different tracks and how he created some of the innovative
music. I thought some of you might find it interesting. Simmian smiles
to all!

http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com/planet_of_the_apes_review.htm

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>
> I've read the producers discussed it, along with, how come the humans
> wear clothes? My particular favorite is, why is there a rubber dinghy
> stashed under the control panels of a spaceship?
>
> In the end they just cross their fingers and hoped audiences will run
> with it.
>
> Dave
>

I thought the dinghy was there as merely hindight, just in case of a
accidental water landing. But by design, the ship looks like it
probably had some sort of landing gear, maybe close to a Space
Shuttles. In one scene inside the ship I think it was Langdon that
said "What happened? We wern't programed to land in the water." My
take of the shaky nose cone shots of the ship as it was on re-enty,
was that the ship's computer was malfunctioning, therefore the crash.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Gelson Nicolini Monteiro <gelsonnicolini@...> wrote:

I'm from Brasil and i like a lot the work you did.

Many new fact's ( the fly of Brent, Milo's travel, the return of the gorillas of Forbiden zone....)

Beneath´ll be great.

 

Thank's a lot

 

2008/3/18, Colin Snow <colindsnow@...>:

Hey all, I know I don't post much (or at least as much as Bill does but I was wondering:

1. Did you guys like the Planet that BrokenSea did?

and 2. Did you like the performances that me and the other actors did? (I was Various Gorillas and Commander Brent)

Just was wondering your opinion.

Dunno if Bill wants this out, but more Planet will be coming (from beneath).

--
Best Regards,
Colin

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and

Thanks Jeff. I've added the link to the Group's Links section.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/links

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone. In this post is a link to a page about the music
> Jerry Goldsmith scored for both PLANET & ESCAPE. It goes into detail
> about the different tracks and how he created some of the innovative
> music. I thought some of you might find it interesting. Simmian smiles
> to all!
>
> http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com/planet_of_the_apes_review.htm
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>

Wasn't there a proposed Planet of the Apes Video Game planned when the
remake was announced for the PS2?? Somehow, I recall something about
that.

Thanks for the update Helen. You've been a leader in tracking down what happened to baby Milo after Escape was completed.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named by Cornelius and
> Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees were imported to
> play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not survive the trip so the
> remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the Apes Revisited,
> 2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young age!
>
> That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to have appeared in any
> of the five original POTA movies. My question has been... whatever
> happened to that chimp?
>
> Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo. I was fortunate to
> talk by phone with several people along the way who had an interest in
> chimpanzees and the film industry -- both as trainers and as rescuers.
>
> Some of you have been contacted and some have been involved in the
> search. I've talked with Mark Beckoff (Partner in animal study with
> Jane Goodall), Dan Westfall (Owner of Cheeta the Chimp -- World's
> Oldest Known Chimpanzee), Wally Swett (Primarily Primates), and even
> Robin Dickson (the daughter of Roy Kabat -- Baby Milo's trainer).
>
> As far as we can tell from video clips of Milo during training, the
> chimp's name is Kelley. With that small amount of information, we
> were able to track her to a zoo in the Midwest and even within
> whiskers of the Primarily Primates Sanctuary in Amarillo, TX. Walley
> Swett believes he turned her owner away when she was looking for a
> place for Kelley.
>
> Anyway, I came to a standstill at a facility in Bastrop, TX: MD
> Anderson Cancer Center. I have the name of the guy I spoke with, but
> I don't remember off the top of my head. He was pleasant, but did
> warn me not to get too excited. It's hard to track down specific apes
> if their history has been lost. Most travel about with little more
> than a name, and many times that is changed or lost as well. The age
> of a chimp is often estimated and is likely to be off by two or more
> years in any direction.
>
> If this is our Kelley she is presently employed as a nurse aunt at the
> facility. That is good news. At the time when I spoke with the
> fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the chimps that are bred
> for use in the facility. She lives in a compound with other chimps,
> is presumably well cared for (as she has an important job), and is
> well-liked by the people who work at the facility.
>
> I have no update, except that a few minutes ago I found this webpage
> on the internet and thought I would share. http://tinyurl.com/3cv5tv
> Click on the link "Who's There?" to open a list of the chimpanzees
> at the facility. Follow the list down until you find Kelley. I
> believe it is reasonably likely that is our Baby Milo. (Project R&R,
> 2007.)
>
> Helen
>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:05 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Thanks for the update Helen. You've been a leader in tracking down what happened to baby Milo after Escape was completed.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named by Cornelius and
> Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees were imported to
> play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not survive the trip so the
> remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the Apes Revisited,
> 2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young age!
>
> That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to have appeared in any
> of the five original POTA movies. My question has been... whatever
> happened to that chimp?
>
> Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo. I was fortunate to
> talk by phone with several people along the way who had an interest in
> chimpanzees and the film industry -- both as trainers and as rescuers.
>
> Some of you have been contacted and some have been involved in the
> search. I've talked with Mark Beckoff (Partner in animal study with
> Jane Goodall), Dan Westfall (Owner of Cheeta the Chimp -- World's
> Oldest Known Chimpanzee), Wally Swett (Primarily Primates), and even
> Robin Dickson (the daughter of Roy Kabat -- Baby Milo's trainer).
>
> As far as we can tell from video clips of Milo during training, the
> chimp's name is Kelley. With that small amount of information, we
> were able to track her to a zoo in the Midwest and even within
> whiskers of the Primarily Primates Sanctuary in Amarillo, TX. Walley
> Swett believes he turned her owner away when she was looking for a
> place for Kelley.
>
> Anyway, I came to a standstill at a facility in Bastrop, TX: MD
> Anderson Cancer Center. I have the name of the guy I spoke with, but
> I don't remember off the top of my head. He was pleasant, but did
> warn me not to get too excited. It's hard to track down specific apes
> if their history has been lost. Most travel about with little more
> than a name, and many times that is changed or lost as well. The age
> of a chimp is often estimated and is likely to be off by two or more
> years in any direction.
>
> If this is our Kelley she is presently employed as a nurse aunt at the
> facility. That is good news. At the time when I spoke with the
> fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the chimps that are bred
> for use in the facility. She lives in a compound with other chimps,
> is presumably well cared for (as she has an important job), and is
> well-liked by the people who work at the facility.
>
> I have no update, except that a few minutes ago I found this webpage
> on the internet and thought I would share. http://tinyurl.com/3cv5tv
> Click on the link "Who's There?" to open a list of the chimpanzees
> at the facility. Follow the list down until you find Kelley. I
> believe it is reasonably likely that is our Baby Milo. (Project R&R,
> 2007.)
>
> Helen
>

Yes, there was a video game, but it didn't get much publicity. Here is
a link to some scans I posted on the group's website.

http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/browse/e875

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <blackaciddevil01@...> wrote:
>
> Wasn't there a proposed Planet of the Apes Video Game planned when
the
> remake was announced for the PS2?? Somehow, I recall something about
> that.
>

Gelson,

de onde você é? Eu sou Saulo Adami, autor de "O único humano bom é aquele que está morto!" e estou preparando o lançamento de outro livro sobre os Apes.

Abraço,

Saulo Adami
Escritor

Gelson Nicolini Monteiro <gelsonnicolini@...> escreveu:

I'm from Brasil and i like a lot the work you did.

Many new fact's ( the fly of Brent, Milo's travel, the return of the gorillas of Forbiden zone....)

Beneath´ll be great.

 

Thank's a lot

 

2008/3/18, Colin Snow <colindsnow@gmail. com>:

Hey all, I know I don't post much (or at least as much as Bill does but I was wondering:

1. Did you guys like the Planet that BrokenSea did?

and 2. Did you like the performances that me and the other actors did? (I was Various Gorillas and Commander Brent)

Just was wondering your opinion.

Dunno if Bill wants this out, but more Planet will be coming (from beneath).

--
Best Regards,
Colin

---

Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para armazenamento!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7304004.stm>
>
> It's not Apes but I think it's safe to assume anyone here has an
> interest in Sci Fi and therefore knows who Arthur was.
>
> Dave

And yet, comparatively speaking, while it wasn't POTA, Arthur C. Clarke & Stanley
Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey" did feature humans' ancient ape-like ancestors about
whom many humans today are still in denial a la Dr. Zaius. (Remember Zaius' dismissive
remarks about Cornelius' interpretation of artifacts including bones of primitive apes
found in different archelogical strata layers?)

It's sadder still that although Clarke lived to see "2001's" 40th Anniversary, we'll have to
make do with whatever remaining pre-written & pre-recorded commemorations and
tributes he'd prepared in advance.

By the way, has Arthur C. Clarke ever been quoted as acknowledging seeing "Planet of
the Apes" before? Since it was in a sense "2001's" other sf competitor in 1968, I wonder
what his reaction was/might have been to the film-adapted version of Boulle's work.

Here is a quote by Clarke from a site discussing "2001" and "Planet
of the Apes":

"In 1969, Planet of the Apes won an Oscar for Best Make-Up for their
apes, despite looking a lot less realistic than the apes in 2001.
Arthur C. Clarke said "2001 did not win the Academy Award for makeup
because judges may not have realised the apes were actors". "2001: A
Space Odyssey" won an Oscar in 1968 for Special Effects, as well as
BAFTAs for Cinematography and Production Design."

Jeff (RedSpy)




--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> >
> > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7304004.stm>
> >
> > It's not Apes but I think it's safe to assume anyone here has an
> > interest in Sci Fi and therefore knows who Arthur was.
> >
> > Dave
>
>
> And yet, comparatively speaking, while it wasn't POTA, Arthur

C. Clarke & Stanley

> Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey" did feature humans' ancient ape-

like ancestors about

> whom many humans today are still in denial a la Dr. Zaius.

(Remember Zaius' dismissive

> remarks about Cornelius' interpretation of artifacts including

bones of primitive apes

> found in different archelogical strata layers?)
>
> It's sadder still that although Clarke lived to see "2001's"

40th Anniversary, we'll have to

> make do with whatever remaining pre-written & pre-recorded

commemorations and

> tributes he'd prepared in advance.
>
> By the way, has Arthur C. Clarke ever been quoted as

acknowledging seeing "Planet of

> the Apes" before? Since it was in a sense "2001's" other sf

competitor in 1968, I wonder

> what his reaction was/might have been to the film-adapted version

of Boulle's work.

>

As am I. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Luiz Saulo Adami <apedami@...> wrote:
>
> Gelson,
>
> de onde você é? Eu sou Saulo Adami, autor de "O único humano bom é
aquele que está morto!" e estou preparando o lançamento de outro
livro sobre os Apes.
>
> Abraço,
>
> Saulo Adami
> Escritor
>
> Gelson Nicolini Monteiro <gelsonnicolini@...>
escreveu:
> I'm from Brasil and i like a lot the work you did.
> Many new fact's ( the fly of Brent, Milo's travel, the return of
the gorillas of Forbiden zone....)
> Beneath´ll be great.
>
> Thank's a lot
>
>
> 2008/3/18, Colin Snow <colindsnow@...>: Hey all, I know I
don't post much (or at least as much as Bill does but I was wondering:
>
> 1. Did you guys like the Planet that BrokenSea did?
>
> and 2. Did you like the performances that me and the other actors
did? (I was Various Gorillas and Commander Brent)
>
> Just was wondering your opinion.
>
> Dunno if Bill wants this out, but more Planet will be coming (from
beneath).
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Colin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Abra sua conta no Yahoo! Mail, o único sem limite de espaço para
armazenamento!
>

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In a message dated 3/19/2008 3:56:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john@... writes:

I'll have to hunt out some Stravinsky.

Try hunting down Bela Bartok's "Music for Strings, Percussion and Celestra."  In the third movement "Adagio" at 4:34 min. you'll hear something that Goldsmith lifted and put into "The Clothes Snatchers" cue (at :43 sec.) in PLANET.  By the way, most of Bartok's Adagio was used in THE SHINING.

 

-- Rory

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Just read this post at www.cinematreasures.org:

 

Hello all....

I hope everyone is enjoying the Classics!

Just wanted to let everyone know that the print of PLANET OF THE APES is brand new! We will be the very first theatre to run it! So, it will look and sound amazing!

Enjoy, my friends!

Craig from Clearview

 

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Zeigfeld showtimes so far for Friday march 28 and
Saturday March 29....

Planet of the Apes (1968)
Rated (NR) • 1 hr. 52 min.
BUY TICKETS - 2:00pm, 5:00pm, 8:00pm

actually Planet is listed for friday, saturday,
monday, tuesday and thursday....

sunday and wed. don't have a listing....

thisis all from the Purchase Advance tickets link on
the Ziegfeld coming soon page....you can pick a date
and it tells what's showing....

Tim

--- ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

> Please let us know what you find out, Tim. I'm
> working on two for a
> LONG day on Saturday by Greyhound. Are they showing
> all five films?
> If they are showing all five, I might want to make
> bigger plans.
>
> Helen
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to work out getting there! Has anyone
> heard anything
> about a schedule? I'm wondering if I get to NYC for
> Friday and
> Saturday wuld I get to see all five films....I'm
> going to call the
> Ziegfeld tomorrow as I need to make some plans! are
> you guys going friday?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > softparadeband <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@>
> wrote:
> > By the way, Larry Landsman and I along with
> fellow group
> > members Rory Monteith and Frank Maiocco will all
> be attending the 40th
> > Anniversary showing(s) in NYC! Rory and I go back
> a loong way...we met
> > as pen-pals back in 1974!!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
>
>
>

________________________

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In a message dated 3/19/2008 9:54:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Zeigfeld showtimes so far for Friday march 28 and
Saturday March 29....

Planet of the Apes (1968)
Rated (NR) • 1 hr. 52 min.
BUY TICKETS - 2:00pm, 5:00pm, 8:00pm

actually Planet is listed for friday, saturday,
monday, tuesday and thursday....

sunday and wed. don't have a listing....

thisis all from the Purchase Advance tickets link on
the Ziegfeld coming soon page....you can pick a date
and it tells what's showing....

Tim

Hey, thanks Tim.  Looks like only PLANET is going to be shown.  It also looks like I'm not going to be able to get up to New York until March 30th or the 31st, so I'll have to miss the probably better attended weekend showings.  I'll probably sit through the movie more than once, just to take in the big screen glory.

 

-- Rory

 

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It is still very tempting....would love to sit through
three showings in a day....but sit in different
sections.....down front....the middle and up in the
balcony.....

not sure if I'm going to be able to get there....if I
don't, TAKE PICTURS OF THE MARQUEE! and maybe sneak
some photos inside .....giving the scope of the space
with the film on the screen!

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/19/2008 9:54:12 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> Zeigfeld showtimes so far for Friday march 28 and
> Saturday March 29....
>
> Planet of the Apes (1968)
> Rated (NR) • 1 hr. 52 min.
> BUY TICKETS - 2:00pm, 5:00pm, 8:00pm
>
> actually Planet is listed for friday, saturday,
> monday, tuesday and thursday....
>
> sunday and wed. don't have a listing....
>
> thisis all from the Purchase Advance tickets link
> on
> the Ziegfeld coming soon page....you can pick a date
> and it tells what's showing....
>
> Tim
> Hey, thanks Tim. Looks like only PLANET is going to
> be shown. It also
> looks like I'm not going to be able to get up to New
> York until March 30th or the
> 31st, so I'll have to miss the probably better
> attended weekend showings.
> I'll probably sit through the movie more than once,
> just to take in the big
> screen glory.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros.
> Watch the video on AOL
> Home.
>

(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

>

________________________

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In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

It is still very tempting.... would love to sit through
three showings in a day....but sit in different
sections.... .down front....the middle and up in the
balcony.....

not sure if I'm going to be able to get there....if I
don't, TAKE PICTURS OF THE MARQUEE! and maybe sneak
some photos inside .....giving the scope of the space
with the film on the screen!

Tim

I'm actually planning on shooting video (hopefully I won't be thrown out of the theatre -- I probably won't dare actually shot while the film is projected) and then transferring it to DVD, then I'll send the DVD to whoever here is willing to reproduce it and send it to you all.

 

-- Rory 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

> I'm actually planning on shooting video (hopefully I won't be thrown

out of the theatre

To anyone going,

We've found, with Simian Scrolls, that if you contact the organizers
BEFORE hand, tell them who you are and what you want, they are
generally quite helpful on the day. My advice is for Tim, James, Rory
and whoever else may be attending to get yourselves organized and
contact the theatre. The worst that can happen is that you'll be
ignored but who knows? You may be granted special privileges, access
to areas normally off-limits to the public (filming) and first dibs on
any freebies that might be available!

Tell them you represent a fan club, or Scrolls or Ape Chronicles... It
worked a treat for us at the NEC so it's well worth a try.

You lucky sods :0)

Dave B

Helen, there ought to be a fans' medal for people who stick to a task
like you have on this.I know this has been an ongoing search over the
years and I'm in awe of your effort.That we at least have an idea of
the lives that 'film' chimps experienced is important.There was a
documentary about Ham, the first chimp in space, a few weeks ago and
parts of that chilled the blood.Fantastic work, Helen. John, Scrolls.

>
> In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named by Cornelius and
> Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees were imported to
> play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not survive the trip so the
> remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the Apes Revisited,
> 2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young age!
>
> That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to have appeared in

any

> of the five original POTA movies. My question has been... whatever
> happened to that chimp?
>
> Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo. I was fortunate to
> talk by phone with several people along the way who had an interest

in

> chimpanzees and the film industry -- both as trainers and as

rescuers.

>
> Some of you have been contacted and some have been involved in the
> search. I've talked with Mark Beckoff (Partner in animal study with
> Jane Goodall), Dan Westfall (Owner of Cheeta the Chimp -- World's
> Oldest Known Chimpanzee), Wally Swett (Primarily Primates), and even
> Robin Dickson (the daughter of Roy Kabat -- Baby Milo's trainer).
>
> As far as we can tell from video clips of Milo during training, the
> chimp's name is Kelley. With that small amount of information, we
> were able to track her to a zoo in the Midwest and even within
> whiskers of the Primarily Primates Sanctuary in Amarillo, TX.

Walley

> Swett believes he turned her owner away when she was looking for a
> place for Kelley.
>
> Anyway, I came to a standstill at a facility in Bastrop, TX: MD
> Anderson Cancer Center. I have the name of the guy I spoke with,

but

> I don't remember off the top of my head. He was pleasant, but did
> warn me not to get too excited. It's hard to track down specific

apes

> if their history has been lost. Most travel about with little more
> than a name, and many times that is changed or lost as well. The

age

> of a chimp is often estimated and is likely to be off by two or more
> years in any direction.
>
> If this is our Kelley she is presently employed as a nurse aunt at

the

> facility. That is good news. At the time when I spoke with the
> fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the chimps that are

bred

> for use in the facility. She lives in a compound with other chimps,
> is presumably well cared for (as she has an important job), and is
> well-liked by the people who work at the facility.
>
> I have no update, except that a few minutes ago I found this webpage
> on the internet and thought I would share.

http://tinyurl.com/3cv5tv

> Click on the link "Who's There?" to open a list of the

chimpanzees

> at the facility. Follow the list down until you find Kelley. I
> believe it is reasonably likely that is our Baby Milo. (Project

R&R,

> 2007.)
>
> Helen
>

I agree Helen....this is an enormous amount of
detective work and I would say you have succeded in
finding Milo! Now to get an interview....! lol
or at least a picture!

It says she is a "nurse aunt"....does that mean she
has NOT been subjected to tests and disease?

Congrats again...

Tim

--- shanter2002 <john@...> wrote:

> Helen, there ought to be a fans' medal for people
> who stick to a task
> like you have on this.I know this has been an
> ongoing search over the
> years and I'm in awe of your effort.That we at least
> have an idea of
> the lives that 'film' chimps experienced is
> important.There was a
> documentary about Ham, the first chimp in space, a
> few weeks ago and
> parts of that chilled the blood.Fantastic work,
> Helen. John, Scrolls.
> >
> > In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named
> by Cornelius and
> > Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees
> were imported to
> > play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not
> survive the trip so the
> > remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the
> Apes Revisited,
> > 2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young
> age!
> >
> > That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to
> have appeared in
> any
> > of the five original POTA movies. My question has
> been... whatever
> > happened to that chimp?
> >
> > Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo.
> I was fortunate to
> > talk by phone with several people along the way
> who had an interest
> in
> > chimpanzees and the film industry -- both as
> trainers and as
> rescuers.
> >
> > Some of you have been contacted and some have been
> involved in the
> > search. I've talked with Mark Beckoff (Partner in
> animal study with
> > Jane Goodall), Dan Westfall (Owner of Cheeta the
> Chimp -- World's
> > Oldest Known Chimpanzee), Wally Swett (Primarily
> Primates), and even
> > Robin Dickson (the daughter of Roy Kabat -- Baby
> Milo's trainer).
> >
> > As far as we can tell from video clips of Milo
> during training, the
> > chimp's name is Kelley. With that small amount of
> information, we
> > were able to track her to a zoo in the Midwest and
> even within
> > whiskers of the Primarily Primates Sanctuary in
> Amarillo, TX.
> Walley
> > Swett believes he turned her owner away when she
> was looking for a
> > place for Kelley.
> >
> > Anyway, I came to a standstill at a facility in
> Bastrop, TX: MD
> > Anderson Cancer Center. I have the name of the
> guy I spoke with,
> but
> > I don't remember off the top of my head. He was
> pleasant, but did
> > warn me not to get too excited. It's hard to
> track down specific
> apes
> > if their history has been lost. Most travel about
> with little more
> > than a name, and many times that is changed or
> lost as well. The
> age
> > of a chimp is often estimated and is likely to be
> off by two or more
> > years in any direction.
> >
> > If this is our Kelley she is presently employed as
> a nurse aunt at
> the
> > facility. That is good news. At the time when I
> spoke with the
> > fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the
> chimps that are
> bred
> > for use in the facility. She lives in a compound
> with other chimps,
> > is presumably well cared for (as she has an
> important job), and is
> > well-liked by the people who work at the facility.
>
> >
> > I have no update, except that a few minutes ago I
> found this webpage
> > on the internet and thought I would share.
> http://tinyurl.com/3cv5tv
> > Click on the link "Who's There?" to open a list
> of the
> chimpanzees
> > at the facility. Follow the list down until you
> find Kelley. I
> > believe it is reasonably likely that is our Baby
> Milo. (Project
> R&R,
> > 2007.)
> >
> > Helen
> >
>
>
>

________________________

send it to Hunter for the Rarities 3 disc!


--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/19/2008 10:11:17 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> It is still very tempting....It is still very temp
> three showings in a day....but sit in different
> sections....sections....<WBR>.down front....the
> middle
> balcony.....
>
> not sure if I'm going to be able to get there....if
> I
> don't, TAKE PICTURS OF THE MARQUEE! and maybe sneak
> some photos inside .....giving the scope of the
> space
> with the film on the screen!
>
> Tim
> I'm actually planning on shooting video (hopefully I
> won't be thrown out of
> the theatre -- I probably won't dare actually shot
> while the film is
> projected) and then transferring it to DVD, then
> I'll send the DVD to whoever here is
> willing to reproduce it and send it to you all.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros.
> Watch the video on AOL
> Home.
>

(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

>

________________________

Wow, that's a very impressive bit of detective work. Kudos to you.
Now if only you could find the woman who played Stewart. <grin>

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In a message dated 3/20/2008 2:03:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smugster2000@... writes:

To anyone going,

We've found, with Simian Scrolls, that if you contact the organizers
BEFORE hand, tell them who you are and what you want, they are
generally quite helpful on the day. My advice is for Tim, James, Rory
and whoever else may be attending to get yourselves organized and
contact the theatre. The worst that can happen is that you'll be
ignored but who knows? You may be granted special privileges, access
to areas normally off-limits to the public (filming) and first dibs on
any freebies that might be available!

Tell them you represent a fan club, or Scrolls or Ape Chronicles.. . It
worked a treat for us at the NEC so it's well worth a try.

You lucky sods :0)

Dave B

As of this moment it looks like I won't be attending until the 8 PM Monday night showing on March 31.  I just can't get up to NYC before that, and Joe Russo is working that weekend.  I'll be going with Joe Russo, but who else will be there I know not!  Anyone who lives in or close to the city, and can make it on a Monday night, is invited to join us.  I'm hoping the showing will be well-attended but I'll bet most will go see it on the weekend.  I also hope that the projectionists at the Ziegfeld will treat that new print of PLANET with TLC.

 

-- Rory

 

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That's exactly right, Tim. At least as of my conversation with Mr.
Satterfield,vet at MD Anderson, she was a part of the "clean" population.

This is all pretty sketchy, and I am relying on the impression that
she was older than six months at time of import. (That is probable,
so I allowed the error.) It will probably never be certain that she
is the right girl, unless by hearing about this someone were to come
forward and say, "That's NOT her. I know where she/he is."

Thank you.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I agree Helen....this is an enormous amount of
> detective work and I would say you have succeded in
> finding Milo! Now to get an interview....! lol
> or at least a picture!
>
> It says she is a "nurse aunt"....does that mean she
> has NOT been subjected to tests and disease?
>
> Congrats again...
>
> Tim
>
> --- shanter2002 <john@...> wrote:
>
> > Helen, there ought to be a fans' medal for people
> > who stick to a task
> > like you have on this.I know this has been an
> > ongoing search over the
> > years and I'm in awe of your effort.That we at least
> > have an idea of
> > the lives that 'film' chimps experienced is
> > important.There was a
> > documentary about Ham, the first chimp in space, a
> > few weeks ago and
> > parts of that chilled the blood.Fantastic work,
> > Helen. John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named
> > by Cornelius and
> > > Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees
> > were imported to
> > > play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not
> > survive the trip so the
> > > remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the
> > Apes Revisited,
> > > 2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young
> > age!
> > >
> > > That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to
> > have appeared in
> > any
> > > of the five original POTA movies. My question has
> > been... whatever
> > > happened to that chimp?
> > >
> > > Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo.
> > I was fortunate to
> > > talk by phone with several people along the way
> > who had an interest
> > in
> > > chimpanzees and the film industry -- both as
> > trainers and as
> > rescuers.
> > >
> > > Some of you have been contacted and some have been
> > involved in the
> > > search. I've talked with Mark Beckoff (Partner in
> > animal study with
> > > Jane Goodall), Dan Westfall (Owner of Cheeta the
> > Chimp -- World's
> > > Oldest Known Chimpanzee), Wally Swett (Primarily
> > Primates), and even
> > > Robin Dickson (the daughter of Roy Kabat -- Baby
> > Milo's trainer).
> > >
> > > As far as we can tell from video clips of Milo
> > during training, the
> > > chimp's name is Kelley. With that small amount of
> > information, we
> > > were able to track her to a zoo in the Midwest and
> > even within
> > > whiskers of the Primarily Primates Sanctuary in
> > Amarillo, TX.
> > Walley
> > > Swett believes he turned her owner away when she
> > was looking for a
> > > place for Kelley.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I came to a standstill at a facility in
> > Bastrop, TX: MD
> > > Anderson Cancer Center. I have the name of the
> > guy I spoke with,
> > but
> > > I don't remember off the top of my head. He was
> > pleasant, but did
> > > warn me not to get too excited. It's hard to
> > track down specific
> > apes
> > > if their history has been lost. Most travel about
> > with little more
> > > than a name, and many times that is changed or
> > lost as well. The
> > age
> > > of a chimp is often estimated and is likely to be
> > off by two or more
> > > years in any direction.
> > >
> > > If this is our Kelley she is presently employed as
> > a nurse aunt at
> > the
> > > facility. That is good news. At the time when I
> > spoke with the
> > > fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the
> > chimps that are
> > bred
> > > for use in the facility. She lives in a compound
> > with other chimps,
> > > is presumably well cared for (as she has an
> > important job), and is
> > > well-liked by the people who work at the facility.
> >
> > >
> > > I have no update, except that a few minutes ago I
> > found this webpage
> > > on the internet and thought I would share.
> > http://tinyurl.com/3cv5tv
> > > Click on the link "Who's There?" to open a list
> > of the
> > chimpanzees
> > > at the facility. Follow the list down until you
> > find Kelley. I
> > > believe it is reasonably likely that is our Baby
> > Milo. (Project
> > R&R,
> > > 2007.)
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
> Wow, that's a very impressive bit of detective work. Kudos to you.
> Now if only you could find the woman who played Stewart. <grin>
>

I guess that's up to someone else. That's a whole 'nother population
of ape! <grin back at ya>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>
> In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named by Cornelius and
> Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees were imported to
> play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not survive the trip so the
> remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the Apes Revisited,
> 2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young age!
>
> That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to have appeared in any
> of the five original POTA movies. My question has been... whatever
> happened to that chimp?
>
> Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo. . . . .
>
> If this is our [Milo, who's actually female and named] Kelley,
> she is presently employed as a nurse aunt at the [Anderson Cancer
> Center] facility. That is good news. At the time when I spoke with the
> fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the chimps that are bred
> for use in the facility. She lives in a compound with other chimps,
> is presumably well cared for (as she has an important job), and is
> well-liked by the people who work at the facility.

Helen,

While I commend you for conducting a most diligent search, I must admit that the hairs
on the back of my head stood up when I read the latter part of your post. Reason: Would I
be correct in inferring that the use for which the chimpanzees are bred in the Anderson
Cancer Center is as experimental subjects for testing cancer vaccine/cure research?

If so, then you might recognize the awful irony if you recall some of the passages from
the scientifically-induced neurological seance of sorts conducted on the non-speaking
humans near the end of Pierre Boulle's original "Planet of the Apes" book wherein one of
the individuals recalling the voice of one of his distant human ancestors, a cancer
researcher on the verge of a cure for cancer, tells from his first-person perspective about
his growing more nervous with the apes, his experiemental subjects, in his research
center.

Reason: The cancer researcher's picked up on several of the caged laboratory apes
seemingly engaging in what sounded faintly to his ears almost like human conversation.
Indeed, the researcher to his utter shock occassionally catches sight of one particular
chimp "ape-ing" the nervous ticks of the research center director. And then one day, as
he's about to inject the super-intelligent chimpanzee with his anti-cancer serum, that
worthy overcomes him by surprise (almost like Taylor did to the gorilla Julius in POTA),
frees his fellows and then, as the other apes restrain the researcher, the super-intelligent
chimp injects the human researcher with his own experimental cancer-cure serum and
pats him on the head in the same affectionate way that the researcher had done to his
experimental ape subjects.

And then, locked in one of his laboratory cages, the human researcher states that he
accepts his fate that he'll more likely die from the lethal injection of the would-be cancer
cure and thus be spared a torturous existence at the hands of the apes at the birth of the
Planet of the Apes on the distant world envisioned in Boulle's original book.

Having had relatives, friends and acquaintances who've both survived and succumbed to
cancer, I am not naive about the need for cancer research. Nevertheless, I can't helped be
stunned by the the litarary irony of the news that the chimp who played Baby Milo in
"Escape from the Planet of the Apes" (whose character grows up to become Caesar in
CONQUEST and BATTLE) has wound up living in a real-life cancer research laboratory
presumably acting as a surrogate nurse mother ("aunt") to younger chimps (who've
evidentally been taken from their own birth mothers) that are evidently being raised to be
future cancer-research experimental subjects.

If Kelley herself is of or near retirement age, I would encourage POTA fans to consider
campaigning for Kelley to be moved to a humane simian retirement community like Chimp
Haven where many chimpanzees who've been used in medical research are sent for
retirement, rest, peace and quiet. See: http://www.chimphaven.com

I must say, sir, that I enjoy your thoughts. Thank you for sharing.

Hmmm... I wonder. The drama of your parallels is not lost on me. The
irony is, indeed, stimulating.

I have been overwhelmed by emotion over the years, both by the
prospect of finding Milo, and by the knowledge that finding him/her
would stir kettles of emotional soup. I do admit to a tentative
feeling of relief and a warm fuzzy that she is in the "clean"
population. I understand that apes are "breedable" right up to the
end. I don't know if that will be the case with Kelley.


Even if she were not the true Baby Milo, I would feel an incredible
sense of accomplishment if it were possible to have her released to
spend the remainder of her time in a safe haven with other
chimpanzees. Although laws now forbid the capture of wild apes for
pets, research, entertainment, etc., our Kelley (regardless of her
movie status) was born wild. I would love to see her released, even
if her identity were never truly proven.

A representative of Chimp Haven has been on my contact list. It isn't
easy to get a chimpanzee moved to that facility. And the cost to
acquire Kelley and have her removed from the Cancer facility would be
WAY beyond MY means. On the other hand, if she is still clean, it
might be technically "possible." Which could mean she would still
have a chance.

I have often wondered, if she were allowed to view herself on film,
would she remember? Would she respond? Either to images of herself
or of the people who were her caregivers.

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Helen, that IS fantastic!  Congratulations!   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: Tim \"apefan\ Date: 03/20/08 08:51:04 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Finding Milo Project...   I agree Helen....this is an enormous amount of detective work and I would say you have succeded in finding Milo! Now to get an interview... .! lol or at least a picture! It says she is a "nurse aunt"....does that mean she has NOT been subjected to tests and disease? Congrats again... Tim --- shanter2002 <john@johnroche6. wanadoo.co. uk> wrote: > Helen, there ought to be a fans' medal for people > who stick to a task > like you have on this.I know this has been an > ongoing search over the > years and I'm in awe of your effort.That we at least > have an idea of > the lives that 'film' chimps experienced is > important.There was a > documentary about Ham, the first chimp in space, a > few weeks ago and > parts of that chilled the blood.Fantastic work, > Helen. John, Scrolls. > > > > In Escape, you will remember the baby chimp named > by Cornelius and > > Zira to be [Baby] Milo. Although two chimpanzees > were imported to > > play the baby chimps, one chimpanzee did not > survive the trip so the > > remaining chimp played both parts (Planet of the > Apes Revisited, > > 2001). What a clever chimp -- and at such a young > age! > > > > That chimpanzee baby was the only "real" chimp to > have appeared in > any > > of the five original POTA movies. My question has > been... whatever > > happened to that chimp? > > > > Over a period of time, I searched for Baby Milo. > I was fortunate to > > talk by phone with several people along the way > who had an interest > in > > chimpanzees and the film industry -- both as > trainers and as > rescuers. > > > > Some of you have been contacted and some have been > involved in the > > search. I've talked with Mark Beckoff (Partner in > animal study with > > Jane Goodall), Dan Westfall (Owner of Cheeta the > Chimp -- World's > > Oldest Known Chimpanzee), Wally Swett (Primarily > Primates), and even > > Robin Dickson (the daughter of Roy Kabat -- Baby > Milo's trainer). > > > > As far as we can tell from video clips of Milo > during training, the > > chimp's name is Kelley. With that small amount of > information, we > > were able to track her to a zoo in the Midwest and > even within > > whiskers of the Primarily Primates Sanctuary in > Amarillo, TX. > Walley > > Swett believes he turned her owner away when she > was looking for a > > place for Kelley. > > > > Anyway, I came to a standstill at a facility in > Bastrop, TX: MD > > Anderson Cancer Center. I have the name of the > guy I spoke with, > but > > I don't remember off the top of my head. He was > pleasant, but did > > warn me not to get too excited. It's hard to > track down specific > apes > > if their history has been lost. Most travel about > with little more > > than a name, and many times that is changed or > lost as well. The > age > > of a chimp is often estimated and is likely to be > off by two or more > > years in any direction. > > > > If this is our Kelley she is presently employed as > a nurse aunt at > the > > facility. That is good news. At the time when I > spoke with the > > fellow at Bastrop, Kelley's job was to raise the > chimps that are > bred > > for use in the facility. She lives in a compound > with other chimps, > > is presumably well cared for (as she has an > important job), and is > > well-liked by the people who work at the facility. > > > > > I have no update, except that a few minutes ago I > found this webpage > > on the internet and thought I would share. > http://tinyurl. com/3cv5tv > > Click on the link "Who's There?" to open a list > of the > chimpanzees > > at the facility. Follow the list down until you > find Kelley. I > > believe it is reasonably likely that is our Baby > Milo. (Project > R&R, > > 2007.) > > > > Helen > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile. yahoo.com/ ;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR 8HDtDypao8Wcj9tA cJ

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>
> I must say, sir, that I enjoy your thoughts. Thank you for sharing.
>
> Hmmm... I wonder. The drama of your parallels is not lost on me. The
> irony is, indeed, stimulating.
>
> I have been overwhelmed by emotion over the years, both by the
> prospect of finding Milo, and by the knowledge that finding him/her
> would stir kettles of emotional soup. I do admit to a tentative
> feeling of relief and a warm fuzzy that she is in the "clean"
> population. I understand that apes are "breedable" right up to the
> end. I don't know if that will be the case with Kelley.

Since she seems to only be acting as something of an extended-family aunt for some
apes being reared there, she doesn't sound like she's still in her breeding years.

> Even if she were not the true Baby Milo, I would feel an incredible
> sense of accomplishment if it were possible to have her released to
> spend the remainder of her time in a safe haven with other
> chimpanzees. Although laws now forbid the capture of wild apes for
> pets, research, entertainment, etc., our Kelley (regardless of her
> movie status) was born wild. I would love to see her released, even
> if her identity were never truly proven.

Wait a minute -- If apes can no longer be legally used for scientific vaccine/serum
research, exactly how is that cancer research center using the chimps?

> A representative of Chimp Haven has been on my contact list. It isn't
> easy to get a chimpanzee moved to that facility. And the cost to
> acquire Kelley and have her removed from the Cancer facility would be
> WAY beyond MY means. On the other hand, if she is still clean, it
> might be technically "possible." Which could mean she would still
> have a chance.

There *is* a way to get Chimp Haven interested in Kelley: Contact them, mention in
passing that she's probably *THE* Milo from the classic "Escape from the Planet of the
Apes" and that you felt that they might potentially be interested in having a genuine
celebrity at Chimp Haven since you'd also heard that Shreveport has in recent years
become something of a regional movie-making hub since Hurricane Katrina devestated
New Orleans and South Louisiana.

> I have often wondered, if she were allowed to view herself on film,
> would she remember? Would she respond? Either to images of herself
> or of the people who were her caregivers.

Well, be prepared for a pleasant shock and pick up the latest National Geographic
magazine for its cover story on animal and primate intelligence and you'll find many, if not
most, of your answers.

Only, don't be shocked if you find it also to be insightfully disturbing reading, too. You
may not like what you find out indeed when you consider how such animals are treated in
zoos, circuses, menageries, research experiments, etc.

Although laws now forbid the capture of wild apes for

> > pets, research, entertainment, etc., our Kelley (regardless of her
> > movie status) was born wild. I would love to see her released, even
> > if her identity were never truly proven.
>
> Wait a minute -- If apes can no longer be legally used for

scientific vaccine/serum

> research, exactly how is that cancer research center using the chimps?
>
>
>

Sorry, that may not be clear. Capturing chimps in the wild is
forbidden. Kelley was wild caught in the days when it was still ok to
do that. The use of chimps for research is still common, and to some
ways of thinking, "necessary."

rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Wow, that's a very impressive bit of detective work. Kudos to you.
Now if only you could find the woman who played Stewart.


*** I thought that Dianne Stanley actually did a few different conventions/collectibles shows hocking pictures of her as Stewart? ***

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Haristas@... wrote:

 I'll be going with Joe Russo, but who else will be there I know not! 

 

*** And I for one am jealous. The chances of me ever seeing PLANET on the big screen are very, very bleak... ***
 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:

>

> > WAY beyond MY means. On the other hand, if she is still clean, it
> > might be technically "possible." Which could mean she would still
> > have a chance.
>
> There *is* a way to get Chimp Haven interested in Kelley:

Contact them, mention in

> passing that she's probably *THE* Milo from the classic "Escape from

the Planet of the

> Apes" and that you felt that they might potentially be interested in

having a genuine

> celebrity at Chimp Haven since you'd also heard that Shreveport has

in recent years

> become something of a regional movie-making hub since Hurricane

Katrina devestated

> New Orleans and South Louisiana.
>

I see where you are going with that, and all of that is good, but I
would be hesitant to suggest they use her "celebrity" for more than a
comment that, indeed, she is safe. I guess I wouldn't be much of a
fundraiser for these sanctuaries, since I would prefer they remain
sanctuaries. (Not that someone with better ideas -- such as perhaps
yours -- wouldn't be useful in devising a plan for her safe removal.)

I think money is the language of the human primates. Someone has to
support her.

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In a message dated 3/20/2008 7:33:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aboro3085@... writes:

Haristas@aol. com wrote:

 I'll be going with Joe Russo, but who else will be there I know not! 

 

*** And I for one am jealous. The chances of me ever seeing PLANET on the big screen are very, very bleak... ***
 

Well, I'm not sure how big the screens where that I saw it on in the past.  I first saw it was in a neighborhood theatre in Wantagh on Long Island that only held around 500 seats, maybe less.  The second time was in Levittown, also in a small theatre.  Both of those were in 1968 and both theatres are gone now.  The third time was in a big theatre, in Lynbrook.  In fact, that theatre was so big that it's now six theatres!  (It got criminally divided up.)  The fourth and fifth times was at the Calderone in Hempstead.  That theatre is still standing, but hasn't shown films in over twenty-five or thirty years.  Anyway, that was 1969 -- think how long ago that was.  The sixth and seventh times I saw PLANET in a theatre were also a fairly large one, in upstate New York, but not a huge theatre.  That was the PLANET/BENEATH double feature in 1971.  But the last time I saw PLANET in a theatre was during the "Go Ape" reissue in 1974, and that was in a small "shoe box" six-screen multiplex theatre (now also gone) in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and the print of PLANET was in rough shape.  That really sucked being the last time seeing PLANET theatrically.  Now -- thirty-four years later -- this showing of PLANET at the Ziegfeld (with a screen that, I think, is 27.5' x 55') in NYC will put it right.  I don't expect I'll ever see PLANET theatrically again -- ever.  This is it, the last hurrah.  I hope the print, even if new, is a decent one.

 

-- Rory

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In a message dated 3/20/2008 7:37:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

There *is* a way to get Chimp Haven interested in Kelley:

 

Speaking of which . .  Is that show called Chimp Haven or Chimp Heaven?

I saw a commercial for it recently, but can't recall the details.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On the other hand, if she [Kelley, the chimp who may have played
> > > Baby Milo in "Escape from the Planet of the Apes"] is still clean, it
> > > might be technically "possible." Which could mean she would still
> > > have a chance.
> >
> > There *is* a way to get Chimp Haven interested in Kelley:
> Contact them, mention in
> > passing that she's probably *THE* Milo from the classic "Escape from
> the Planet of the
> > Apes" and that you felt that they might potentially be interested in
> having a genuine
> > celebrity at Chimp Haven since you'd also heard that Shreveport has
> in recent years
> > become something of a regional movie-making hub since Hurricane
> Katrina devestated
> > New Orleans and South Louisiana.
>
> I see where you are going with that, and all of that is good, but I
> would be hesitant to suggest they use her "celebrity" for more than a
> comment that, indeed, she is safe. I guess I wouldn't be much of a
> fundraiser for these sanctuaries, since I would prefer they remain
> sanctuaries. (Not that someone with better ideas -- such as perhaps
> yours -- wouldn't be useful in devising a plan for her safe removal.)
>
> I think money is the language of the human primates. Someone has to
> support her.

Chimp Haven of Sheveport, Louisiana isn't just a sanctuary for retired laboratory/
research chimps but also, if I'm not mistaken, a number of them are artists in their own
right. (Yes, *artists* as in painting.)

Now, the late Roddy McDowall was not only a renowned character actor but also an
accomplished photographer in his own right. Thanks in part to McDowall's renown for his
avocation, today, perhaps it's not unusual to find many more multi-faceted actors with
avocations as accomplished and aspiring artists, authors, scultptors and photographers in
their own right.

In my opinion, given her apparent celebrity pedigree, Kelley might also prove to be
something of a chimp artist in her own right. (Mind you, I *am* writing with tongue
planted part-way in cheek here, but what you don't know about Chimp Haven is that the
artwork produced by their chimpanzees has been sold for fundraising. A celebrity artist
among the chimps would be a fundraising asset indeed, especially a simian actor turned
artist.)

Regardless of whether she can paint or not, I'm fairly sure that Kelley would be an asset
to Chimp Haven. So, if you're looking for a better place for Kelley, please be sure to read
up about it Chimp Haven at: http://www.chimphaven.com and if it measures up to your
expectations as a candidate sanctuary, feel free to email me if you need any other local
assistance in the matter.

A few years ago, I read the novel "Sims" by F. Paul Wilson which turned out to be an
unexpected great compelling near-future science fiction novel whose storyline was
original enough not to come across as cribbing from "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes"
and yet, it felt almost like an alternate POTA timeline that might well have averted the
Planet of the Apes altogether in one sense and yet realized it in another a la an
undeveloped and abandoned plot point from an early draft of "Beneath the Planet of the
Apes."

I highly recommend POTA fans check this book out as it's quite good. What's really
intriguing about it is that its storyline is also a nicely camouflaged retelling of an ancient
Sumerian story.

For more about "Sims," check out this entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sims_(novel)

Then you should come next week. New York is just a quick flight from Green Bay.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> *** And I for one am jealous. The chances of me ever seeing PLANET on the big screen are very, very bleak... ***
>
>
>
>

I've only seen Planet on the big screen 4 times and they were all at the Walker theater in Brooklyn. The last time being the Go Ape! festival in '74. It had a big screen but probably not as big as the Ziegfeld which has the largest or second largest screen in New York.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Well, I'm not sure how big the screens where that I saw it on in the past.
> I first saw it was in a neighborhood theatre in Wantagh on Long Island that
> only held around 500 seats, maybe less. The second time was in Levittown,
> also in a small theatre. Both of those were in 1968 and both theatres are gone
> now. The third time was in a big theatre, in Lynbrook. In fact, that
> theatre was so big that it's now six theatres! (It got criminally divided up.)
> The fourth and fifth times was at the Calderone in Hempstead. That theatre is
> still standing, but hasn't shown films in over twenty-five or thirty years.
> Anyway, that was 1969 -- think how long ago that was. The sixth and seventh
> times I saw PLANET in a theatre were also a fairly large one, in upstate New
> York, but not a huge theatre. That was the PLANET/BENEATH double feature in
> 1971. But the last time I saw PLANET in a theatre was during the "Go Ape"
> reissue in 1974, and that was in a small "shoe box" six-screen multiplex
> theatre (now also gone) in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and the print of PLANET was in
> rough shape. That really sucked being the last time seeing PLANET
> theatrically. Now -- thirty-four years later -- this showing of PLANET at the Ziegfeld
> (with a screen that, I think, is 27.5' x 55') in NYC will put it right. I
> don't expect I'll ever see PLANET theatrically again -- ever. This is it, the
> last hurrah. I hope the print, even if new, is a decent one.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
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> Home.
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Caro Adami,

 

Eu sou do Rio de Janeiro - Tijuca

Gostei muito do seu livro, eu o tenho e sempre me dá vontade de rever algumas

coisas nele. É um excelente trabalho.

É pena que aqui no Brasil não temos facilidade em conseguir materiais (revistas,

artigos, bonecos...) sobre esses filmes que tanto gostamos.

Seu livro foi o primeiro que comprei (sem considerar algumas revistas da Marvel),

 

Para você ver: alem dos DVD's,  tenho o CD do primeiro filme, (meu irmão o achou numa loja), 

Jef (redspy) me enviou via e-mail as musicas do BENEATH, o que foi fantástico.

Consegui num sebo uma edição de portugal do Planeta dos Macacos (parecia

um milagre e incrivelmente de facíl leitura)  e é incrível que não tenham lançado

aqui no Brasil. O game para PC foi otímo e o pior, não teve propaganda, apareceu

na prateleira e pronto.

Agradeço ao grupo do yahoo e ao Hunter entre outros o material que eles tem

 

Aguardo ancioso o lançamento de seu novo trabalho.

 

 

 

 

2008/3/19, Luiz Saulo Adami < apedami@yahoo. com.br>:

Gelson,

de onde você é? Eu sou Saulo Adami, autor de "O único humano bom é aquele que está morto!" e estou preparando o lançamento de outro livro sobre os Apes.

Abraço,

Saulo Adami
Escritor

Gelson Nicolini Monteiro <gelsonnicolini@ gmail.com> escreveu:

I'm from Brasil and i like a lot the work you did.

Many new fact's ( the fly of Brent, Milo's travel, the return of the gorillas of Forbiden zone....)

Beneath´ll be great.

 

Thank's a lot

 

2008/3/18, Colin Snow <colindsnow@gmail. com>:

Hey all, I know I don't post much (or at least as much as Bill does but I was wondering:

1. Did you guys like the Planet that BrokenSea did?

and 2. Did you like the performances that me and the other actors did? (I was Various Gorillas and Commander Brent)

Just was wondering your opinion.

Dunno if Bill wants this out, but more Planet will be coming (from beneath).

--
Best Regards,
Colin

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In a message dated 3/21/2008 4:50:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I've only seen Planet on the big screen 4 times and they were all at the Walker theater in Brooklyn. The last time being the Go Ape! festival in '74. It had a big screen but probably not as big as the Ziegfeld which has the largest or second largest screen in New York.

I would guess the Radio City Music Hall still has the largest -- not that they show movies there anymore, damn 'em.

 

-- Rory

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I find it amazing that its been so long since the two of you have
seen it on the big screen. It is shown in Los Angeles it seems every
two years somewhere. Aren't there revival houses across the rest of
the country? I would think at least in New York or Chicago...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> I've only seen Planet on the big screen 4 times and they were all
at the
> Walker theater in Brooklyn. The last time being the Go Ape!
festival in '74. It had a big screen but probably not as big
> as the Ziegfeld which has the largest or second largest screen in
New
> York.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, I'm not sure how big the screens where that I saw it on in
the
> past.
> > I first saw it was in a neighborhood theatre in Wantagh on Long
Island
> that
> > only held around 500 seats, maybe less. The second time was in
> Levittown,
> > also in a small theatre. Both of those were in 1968 and both
theatres
> are gone
> > now. The third time was in a big theatre, in Lynbrook. In fact,
that
> > theatre was so big that it's now six theatres! (It got criminally
> divided up.)
> > The fourth and fifth times was at the Calderone in Hempstead. That
> theatre is
> > still standing, but hasn't shown films in over twenty-five or
thirty
> years.
> > Anyway, that was 1969 -- think how long ago that was. The sixth
and
> seventh
> > times I saw PLANET in a theatre were also a fairly large one, in
> upstate New
> > York, but not a huge theatre. That was the PLANET/BENEATH double
> feature in
> > 1971. But the last time I saw PLANET in a theatre was during
the "Go
> Ape"
> > reissue in 1974, and that was in a small "shoe box" six-screen
> multiplex
> > theatre (now also gone) in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and the print
of
> PLANET was in
> > rough shape. That really sucked being the last time seeing PLANET
> > theatrically. Now -- thirty-four years later -- this showing of
PLANET
> at the Ziegfeld
> > (with a screen that, I think, is 27.5' x 55') in NYC will put it
> right. I
> > don't expect I'll ever see PLANET theatrically again -- ever.
This is
> it, the
> > last hurrah. I hope the print, even if new, is a decent one.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the
video on
> AOL
> > Home.
> >
> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?
ncid=aol\
> hom00030000000001)
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 3/20/2008 7:37:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@... writes:
>
> James King: "There *is* a way to get Chimp Haven interested in
> Kelley [the chimp who probably played Baby Milo
> in "Escape from the Planet of the Apes."]
>
> Speaking of which . . Is that show called Chimp Haven or Chimp Heaven?
> I saw a commercial for it recently, but can't recall the details.

LOL! I wasn't talking about a TV show. Chimp Haven is a legitimate retirement center for
laboratory/research chimpanzees a few miles southwest of Shreveport, Louisiana (where
I'm writing from -- the city, not the chimp facility. [|:=8) Check out: http://
www.chimphaven.com

Now, I *do* recall seeing mention of a TV show called "XTreme Primates" or something
like that from a few days ago.

By the way, the first time I saw Kelley was in a black-and-white Associated Press news
photograph from 1971 which showed POTA make-up artist John Chambers touching up
the baby chimp's POTA nose while both Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter in partial
Cornelius & Zira attire and ape make-up were looking on as Chambers put on the final
touches. If memory serves, Roddy was also wearing glasses over his ape make-up.

That photograph in the Alexandria Daily Town Talk newspaper was the only thing that
tipped me off that there was going to be a third POTA film coming out later that year.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:50 PM, drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:

I find it amazing that its been so long since the two of you have
seen it on the big screen. It is shown in Los Angeles it seems every
two years somewhere. Aren't there revival houses across the rest of
the country? I would think at least in New York or Chicago...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> I've only seen Planet on the big screen 4 times and they were all
at the
> Walker theater in Brooklyn. The last time being the Go Ape!
festival in '74. It had a big screen but probably not as big
> as the Ziegfeld which has the largest or second largest screen in
New
> York.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, I'm not sure how big the screens where that I saw it on in
the
> past.
> > I first saw it was in a neighborhood theatre in Wantagh on Long
Island
> that
> > only held around 500 seats, maybe less. The second time was in
> Levittown,
> > also in a small theatre. Both of those were in 1968 and both
theatres
> are gone
> > now. The third time was in a big theatre, in Lynbrook. In fact,
that
> > theatre was so big that it's now six theatres! (It got criminally
> divided up.)
> > The fourth and fifth times was at the Calderone in Hempstead. That
> theatre is
> > still standing, but hasn't shown films in over twenty-five or
thirty
> years.
> > Anyway, that was 1969 -- think how long ago that was. The sixth
and
> seventh
> > times I saw PLANET in a theatre were also a fairly large one, in
> upstate New
> > York, but not a huge theatre. That was the PLANET/BENEATH double
> feature in
> > 1971. But the last time I saw PLANET in a theatre was during
the "Go
> Ape"
> > reissue in 1974, and that was in a small "shoe box" six-screen
> multiplex
> > theatre (now also gone) in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and the print
of
> PLANET was in
> > rough shape. That really sucked being the last time seeing PLANET
> > theatrically. Now -- thirty-four years later -- this showing of
PLANET
> at the Ziegfeld
> > (with a screen that, I think, is 27.5' x 55') in NYC will put it
> right. I
> > don't expect I'll ever see PLANET theatrically again -- ever.
This is
> it, the
> > last hurrah. I hope the print, even if new, is a decent one.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the
video on
> AOL
> > Home.
> >
> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?

ncid=aol\
> hom00030000000001)
> >
>

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In a message dated 3/21/2008 4:58:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, shrstrategygames@... writes:

LOL! I wasn't talking about a TV show.

Yeah, but that's what I was asking about.

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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

In a message dated 3/21/2008 4:58:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, shrstrategygames@... writes:

LOL! I wasn't talking about a TV show.

Yeah, but that's what I was asking about.

---

Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.

Most revival houses in New York died out in the '80s thanks to home video. There are only a few left and they seem to concentrate on more artsy type films.

Planet has been shown as part of the Bryant Park summer film festival. But that is outside and usually a one night only affair on a Monday.

The Ziegfeld has always been a venue for major revivals. I've seen Fantasia, Sparticus and Lawrence of Arabia there as well as more current films like Casino Royale, the Star Wars prequels and the Burton remake.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I find it amazing that its been so long since the two of you have
> seen it on the big screen. It is shown in Los Angeles it seems every
> two years somewhere. Aren't there revival houses across the rest of
> the country? I would think at least in New York or Chicago...
>
>

New York had a double bill I think in a small theatre about 8 years ago (PLANET & BENEATH) but it was only for a few days and I missed it.

Bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 4:50 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Ziegfeld

*** Do you mean that show on ANIMAL PLANET? If so, that show is called "ESCAPE TO CHIMP EDEN". ***

LordTZer0@... wrote:

Speaking of which . .  Is that show called Chimp Haven or Chimp Heaven?

I saw a commercial for it recently, but can't recall the details.

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*** Very true. However, at this point in time, I couldn't even afford a "red eye" ticket... ***

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Then you should come next week. New York is just a quick flight from Green Bay.

 

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Digital Bits is reporting today that Fox is working on a blu ray
release of POTA 68 by the end of 2008

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

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In a message dated 3/21/2008 7:34:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drhasslein@... writes:

Digital Bits is reporting today that Fox is working on a blu ray
release of POTA 68 by the end of 2008

http://www.thedigit albits.com/ #mytwocents

It's only saying that

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In a message dated 3/21/2008 7:34:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drhasslein@... writes:

Digital Bits is reporting today that Fox is working on a blu ray
release of POTA 68 by the end of 2008

http://www.thedigit albits.com/ #mytwocents

It's only saying that it's "in the works for a possible release by the end of 2008," but I would say that now's the time to send letters to Fox Home Video that you want this to be a 40th Anniversary edition with new extras.

 

I'm hoping that what I'll see in New York reflects a major restoration and something sourced from what will be used for the Blu-ray transfer.  I know practically every flaw in the current 35th Anniversary edition transfer and I'll be on the look-out for them in this "new print" at the Ziegfeld.  If they're not there, I'll know Fox has been doing it's job.

 

-- Rory

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Maybe we should get together a list of the extras we'd like them to include on the disc.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2008 7:34:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> drhasslein@... writes:
>
> Digital Bits is reporting today that Fox is working on a blu ray
> release of POTA 68 by the end of 2008
>
> _http://www.thedigithttp://www.http://www._
> (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents)
> It's only saying that it's "in the works for a possible release by the end
> of 2008," but I would say that now's the time to send letters to Fox Home
> Video that you want this to be a 40th Anniversary edition with new extras.
>
> I'm hoping that what I'll see in New York reflects a major restoration and
> something sourced from what will be used for the Blu-ray transfer. I know
> practically every flaw in the current 35th Anniversary edition transfer and I'll
> be on the look-out for them in this "new print" at the Ziegfeld. If they're
> not there, I'll know Fox has been doing it's job.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL
> Home.
> (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)
>

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Excellent idea!  Why don't we all do that.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: James Date: 3/22/2008 9:05:25 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: POTA '68 Blu-ray   Maybe we should get together a list of the extras we'd like them to include on the disc. --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/21/2008 7:34:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drhasslein@. .. writes: > > Digital Bits is reporting today that Fox is working on a blu ray > release of POTA 68 by the end of 2008 > > _http://www. thedigithttp: //www.http: //www._ > (http://www. thedigitalbits. com/#mytwocents) > It's only saying that it's "in the works for a possible release by the end > of 2008," but I would say that now's the time to send letters to Fox Home > Video that you want this to be a 40th Anniversary edition with new extras. > > I'm hoping that what I'll see in New York reflects a major restoration and > something sourced from what will be used for the Blu-ray transfer. I know > practically every flaw in the current 35th Anniversary edition transfer and I'll > be on the look-out for them in this "new print" at the Ziegfeld. If they're > not there, I'll know Fox has been doing it's job. > > -- Rory > > > > ************ **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home. aol.com/diy/ home-improvement -eric-stromer? video=15? ncid=aolhom00030 000000001) >

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Welcome to the group!   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: Jeff Date: 3/17/2008 7:36:16 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: New Member   Greetings, Newbie, and welcome to the group! Jeff (RedSpy) --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Karyl" <gone2thebad@ ...> wrote: > > Hi there my fellow fans! I have been a fan of these movies for YEARS! > I didn't follow the series much, and I couldn't abide the crummy > animation of the cartoon, but I did get a couple of the novelizations > of the movies, especially the last three. > > I'm going to be popping in and spouting off quite frequently, just a > friendly warning, uh...piece of advice! Yeah! That's it! Piece of > advice! > > Anyhoo, I'm looking forward to making quite a few friends in this > group, discussing alternate universes, crossovers, characters, > merchandise, and all that other lovely stuff. > > TTFN! Or Tata For Now! >

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:13 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Ziegfeld

In a message dated 3/20/2008 2:03:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smugster2000@ yahoo.com writes:

To anyone going,

We've found, with Simian Scrolls, that if you contact the organizers
BEFORE hand, tell them who you are and what you want, they are
generally quite helpful on the day. My advice is for Tim, James, Rory
and whoever else may be attending to get yourselves organized and
contact the theatre. The worst that can happen is that you'll be
ignored but who knows? You may be granted special privileges, access
to areas normally off-limits to the public (filming) and first dibs on
any freebies that might be available!

Tell them you represent a fan club, or Scrolls or Ape Chronicles.. . It
worked a treat for us at the NEC so it's well worth a try.

You lucky sods :0)

Dave B

As of this moment it looks like I won't be attending until the 8 PM Monday night showing on March 31.  I just can't get up to NYC before that, and Joe Russo is working that weekend.  I'll be going with Joe Russo, but who else will be there I know not!  Anyone who lives in or close to the city, and can make it on a Monday night, is invited to join us.  I'm hoping the showing will be well-attended but I'll bet most will go see it on the weekend.  I also hope that the projectionists at the Ziegfeld will treat that new print of PLANET with TLC.

 

-- Rory

 

---

Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home.

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:55 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Ziegfeld

Most revival houses in New York died out in the '80s thanks to home video. There are only a few left and they seem to concentrate on more artsy type films.

Planet has been shown as part of the Bryant Park summer film festival. But that is outside and usually a one night only affair on a Monday.

The Ziegfeld has always been a venue for major revivals. I've seen Fantasia, Sparticus and Lawrence of Arabia there as well as more current films like Casino Royale, the Star Wars prequels and the Burton remake.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@. ..> wrote:
>
> I find it amazing that its been so long since the two of you have
> seen it on the big screen. It is shown in Los Angeles it seems every
> two years somewhere. Aren't there revival houses across the rest of
> the country? I would think at least in New York or Chicago...
>
>

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well...I bit the bullet and made a reservation! I'll
be going on Saturday!

you guys should swing by!!

Tim

--- "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> Crap! (Oh, sorry James) I'm actually traveling
> with Bill Blake to New Jersey and it's possible we
> could detour to NY. But there's some last minute
> stuff that might delay us so it looks like it's out.
> But if things go well possibly we could make it for
> the last day (April 3rd). But very doubtful. Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:13 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Ziegfeld
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/20/2008 2:03:22 A.M. Eastern
> Standard Time, smugster2000@... writes:
> To anyone going,
>
> We've found, with Simian Scrolls, that if you
> contact the organizers
> BEFORE hand, tell them who you are and what you
> want, they are
> generally quite helpful on the day. My advice is
> for Tim, James, Rory
> and whoever else may be attending to get
> yourselves organized and
> contact the theatre. The worst that can happen
> is that you'll be
> ignored but who knows? You may be granted
> special privileges, access
> to areas normally off-limits to the public
> (filming) and first dibs on
> any freebies that might be available!
>
> Tell them you represent a fan club, or Scrolls
> or Ape Chronicles... It
> worked a treat for us at the NEC so it's well
> worth a try.
>
> You lucky sods :0)
>
> Dave B
> As of this moment it looks like I won't be
> attending until the 8 PM Monday night showing on
> March 31. I just can't get up to NYC before that,
> and Joe Russo is working that weekend. I'll be
> going with Joe Russo, but who else will be there I
> know not! Anyone who lives in or close to the city,
> and can make it on a Monday night, is invited to
> join us. I'm hoping the showing will be
> well-attended but I'll bet most will go see it on
> the weekend. I also hope that the projectionists at
> the Ziegfeld will treat that new print of PLANET
> with TLC.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the
> video on AOL Home.
>
>

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In a message dated 3/22/2008 4:20:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Lest we should forget, the Burton remake premiered at the Zeigfeld. Jeff

Lest we should forget?!!!!

 

How dare you remind me?!!!!!

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In a message dated 3/22/2008 6:50:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

well...I bit the bullet and made a reservation! I'll
be going on Saturday!

you guys should swing by!!

Tim

Are you going to the 8 PM showing?  I understand there will be someone there to introduce the film, but not anyone connected to the movie.

 

-- Rory

 

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I'm going to the five o'clock definatly and maybe the
eight o'clock to watch from the balcony perhaps!

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/22/2008 6:50:18 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> well...I bit the bullet and made a reservation! I'll
> be going on Saturday!
>
> you guys should swing by!!
>
> Tim
> Are you going to the 8 PM showing? I understand
> there will be someone there
> to introduce the film, but not anyone connected to
> the movie.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros.
> Watch the video on AOL
> Home.
>

(http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

>

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Hi All

I've just been looking on ebay and there's a listing for "original ape
boots from the film" - they dont have split toes, but is it possible
that they could have been from a background costume? Any advice would
be greatly appreciated/.

Thanks

*** Do you have a link or auction number for these? ***

pinballuk_co_uk <pinballuk_co_uk@...> wrote:

Hi All

I've just been looking on ebay and there's a listing for "original ape
boots from the film" - they dont have split toes, but is it possible
that they could have been from a background costume? Any advice would
be greatly appreciated/.

Thanks


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Hello all POTA fans:

Rory told me how great you all are!

I introduce the Saturday night Classics screenings at the Ziegfeld including March 29's of POTA's brand new print which will be premiering at the Ziegfeld. The screening is at 8PM. You can check clearviewcinemas.com for other screening dates and times.

I would love to have your input to include in my intro which only is allowed to run a few minutes and then on with the show.

So:

(1) Please, in one or two sentences, tell me why, in personal terms, POTA is such an important and meaningful film to you.

(2) Do not post here-instead e-mail me directly at gdj1231@... using the heading "POTA ZIEGFELD"

(3) I will do my best to distill and synthesize as much as I can from you. I think this will make for a much more meaningful intro to all.

If you have never been to the Ziegfeld, NYC's premiere movie palace, you are in for quite a treat, and I welcome you and hope to meet many of you Saturday night.

Thank you,

Ziegfeldman

 

 

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hi  i took a look at boots,ive never seen any regular boots except for zaius ,with out the split toe front.all black gorilla ones had split toes .  goapebilly

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----- Original Message -----

From: pinballuk_co_uk

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:29 AM

Subject: [pota] Ebay listing - original ape boots

Hi All

I've just been looking on ebay and there's a listing for "original ape
boots from the film" - they dont have split toes, but is it possible
that they could have been from a background costume? Any advice would
be greatly appreciated/ .

Thanks

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Those boots don't look like any I've seen in any of the movies or
countless production photos I've seen. They may be from a sci-fi
movie of the time, but I doubt seriously they are from an APES
movie. I would have to see some type of documentation, or a photo
from the movie showing someone wearing those boots.

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** Do you have a link or auction number for these? ***
>
> pinballuk_co_uk <pinballuk_co_uk@...> wrote: Hi All
>
> I've just been looking on ebay and there's a listing for "original
ape
> boots from the film" - they dont have split toes, but is it
possible
> that they could have been from a background costume? Any advice
would
> be greatly appreciated/.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Welcome to the group Gary!

For those who would like to email Gary directly his email address is GDJ1231@ aol.com.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ziegfeldman" GDJ1231@... wrote:
>
>
> Hello all POTA fans:
>
> Rory told me how great you all are!
>
> I introduce the Saturday night Classics screenings at the Ziegfeld
> including March 29's of POTA's brand new print which will be premiering
> at the Ziegfeld. The screening is at 8PM. You can check
> clearviewcinemas.com for other screening dates and times.
>
> I would love to have your input to include in my intro which only is
> allowed to run a few minutes and then on with the show.
>
> So:
>
> (1) Please, in one or two sentences, tell me why, in personal terms,
> POTA is such an important and meaningful film to you.
>
> (2) Do not post here-instead e-mail me directly at gdj1231@...
> <mailto: gdj1231@... using the heading "POTA ZIEGFELD"
>
> (3) I will do my best to distill and synthesize as much as I can from
> you. I think this will make for a much more meaningful intro to all.
>
> If you have never been to the Ziegfeld, NYC's premiere movie palace, you
> are in for quite a treat, and I welcome you and hope to meet many of you
> Saturday night.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ziegfeldman
>

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In a message dated 3/21/2008 7:32:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aboro3085@... writes:

*** Do you mean that show on ANIMAL PLANET? If so, that show is called "ESCAPE TO CHIMP EDEN". ***

 

That's it.

I heard it was depressing.

 

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