>>If my memory serves, I think there were actually two transfers done

>>Was there last night too Rich. Too bad we didn't get a chance to

>>It was great seeing Beneath on the big screen tonight. After slight

>>*** I'd never bring an outfit like that (or any APES items for that

>>Blu is certainly being pushed. Tonight, at the Arclight Hollywood

>>The last time I spoke to someone at FOX they said both versions of

>>By that I mean I used to think that it'd be cool if, for instance,

>>Back Issue #14 has a two page feature on the Apes comics, primarily the

>>The differences are -- you see an escaping ape killed at the

>>Also, since the original "preview" version of CONQUEST,

>>Lawless, is that you again? <<

>> I never claimed "mine"..the BENEATH NATO

>>Regarding commentaries. . I believe I mentioned in a previous

>>Attacking me and saying what JOHN and LAWLESS said here is a

>>I also believe that original LD of CONQUEST had sound elements

>>Personally, guys, I thought it was great. <<

>>Just had a look at the cover art of SS #15.

>>I was going through my collection and came across this. Does anyone

>>*** As they said, it's a pretty rare item, probably even rarer than

>>[URL=

Aside from the Lawgiver explosion sounds being corrected, it strikes me as both funny and sad that these problems have gone uncorrected for over 20 years, yet the print I saw in NYC three weeks ago was near perfect. 

>>No...my Playhouse Video version had the wrong audio effects: the

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:52 PM

Subject: [pota] Re:UNCUT ORIGINAL CONQUEST SCREENING IN TEXAS!!!

OK, who went last night?

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

>>This one-time only screening will be free and open to the general public on Saturday, September 20, at 12pm. Following this, Fox Home Entertainment will make this version available exclusively in the PLANET OF THE APES 40 Year Evolution Blu-Ray Collection available in stores on November 4th. The Fantastic Fest CONQUEST screening will be in 1080p HD, making this the first public high def screening of any of the APES films, and will preceded by Fox DVD giveaways and previews. Come witness the birth of the PLANET OF THE APES like you've never seen before - before anyone else does!" <<

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"scott bosco" <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

>>I was going through my collection and came across this. Does anyone else have one? I got it at JCPennys, from the catalog and never saw it on ebay or from any else. When built is very nice. <<

 

I get the Digest so images aren't included. What is it? Tim mentioned that a flag was missing, so I'm guessing it's a playset of some sort? For that matter Tim, I'd like to see the image you posted as well.

 

 

"m c" <aboro3085@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

>>*** As they said, it's a pretty rare item, probably even rarer than the elusive drum set. ***  <<

 

Don't think I know about this one either. Are there images up online somewhere?

 

 

Chris L.

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>>It's a pretty chilling line actually considering the context. No

>>No, that line isn't in the POWER records adaption and it's

>>While were on the subject, did one of the ESCAPE adaptations

Thanks

jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Good luck, Scott!!

 

Jessica.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Chris,

It's on Ebay now.

- Scott B

Chris Lawless <lawford42@juno. com> wrote:

"scott bosco" <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

>>I was going through my collection and came across this. Does anyone else have one? I got it at JCPennys, from the catalog and never saw it on ebay or from any else. When built is very nice. <<

 

I get the Digest so images aren't included. What is it? Tim mentioned that a flag was missing, so I'm guessing it's a playset of some sort? For that matter Tim, I'd like to see the image you posted as well.

 

 

"m c" <aboro3085@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

>>*** As they said, it's a pretty rare item, probably even rarer than the elusive drum set. ***  <<

 

Don't think I know about this one either. Are there images up online somewhere?

 

 

Chris L.

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From the 'Persistence Pays Off' Department (November 2007 to be precise):

 

"Animals have no graveyards Stevie."

 

From the Marvel ESCAPE adaptation. So my remembrance of "hearing" the line was actually me remembering hearing the line in my head when I read it for the first time. Goes to show you how the mind can play tricks over the course of time.

 

Interestingly- as an aside- Jerry Pournelle's paperback adaptation of the film had a line at the end where Armando mentions that Cornelius and Zira were buried.

 

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

I wrote:

 

>>It's a pretty chilling line actually considering the context. No idea where I heard it now. Anyone else remember hearing this?<<

 

 

"aboro3085" <aboro3085@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

>>No, that line isn't in the POWER records adaption and it's not
in the novelization either. I'd have to double check the MARVEL
adaption though, but I don't think it was said in there though. It is
a good line though. (Maybe it was in one of the earlier scripts?) <<

 

I wrote:

 

>>While were on the subject, did one of the ESCAPE adaptations (Marvel, Power Records) feature a line at the end where Dr. Branton wonders why Zira dropped the infant in the water and Dr. Dixon replies "Animals have no graveyard". I can hear the line being spoken, but can't seem to place it. Also my Power Records aren't easily accessible right now, so I can't easily check. <<

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"softparadeband" <softparadeband@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

>>Lawless, is that you again? <<

 

It is. I haven't gone anywhere.

 

 

>> I never claimed "mine"..the BENEATH NATO
material is available if Fox wants it,I offered it--they don't want
it. The reason it was "contraband" at the time it was originally
transferred was that it was given to ME with the caveat that it not
be circulated. So actually I WAS sharing it with fans by breaking a
confidence,technica lly. <<

 

You really can't expect most fans to keep this stuff to theirselves though. The genie was let out of the bottle (by you, no less), and the material made the rounds both amongst fans and collectors conventions. It happens. And even though I mentioned Apes fans, the "mine mine mine" attitude was more a reference to an attitude I've seen in numerous groups and mailing lists: movies, music, comic books, television series to name a few.

 

>>You know,if you read alot of the posts made on this forum, you will
see that alot of you guys tend to get very hissy and hysterical over
issues like this. I keep an eye on what's said here because I have a
vested interest in the legacy of the series, but I gotta say some of
you just are a little too "anal" about jumping all over anyone who
has a different set of values than your own. <<

 

I think that anyone who runs a group or website, or joins a group and contributes, has a vested interest in the legacy of the subject matter. I don't know what you're thinking about, but the sniping you described doesn't happen here. Elsewhere, yes. Not in James' group though.

 

 

>>Regarding commentaries. . I believe I mentioned in a previous post
that I sent samples of my person-to-person interviews with cast
members to the BLU RAY producers, and they decided NOT to use them. I
resent rumors being spread that I have "hoarded" material. This is my
research that I (and Larry Landsman) spent thousands of dollars and
hundreds of hours to obtain. We haven't made a fraction of our
investment back on PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED, and perhaps one day
we can create another project to share it with the fans. But I do not
have the authority myself to just release material free into cyberspace.<<

 

Although that part I understand (and can even appreciate from my time in the music industry), you have said to me personally over the phone (while talking about a particular thing that's only in your collection) "This will NEVER see the light of day as far as Apes fans are concerned". No mention about not being able to release it- just that you're "never" going to release it. So how else would that comment be interpreted? And I'm not the only person you've said things like that to either. Nor am I the only person you've told what exactly you have in your collection.

 

Here's the thing. Having material from research and spending your own money on it is one thing. But to then *tell* people you have it but aren't going to release it because you don't have the authority to is a dick move. To tell them about it and not release it just because it's "yours" is a massive dick move. If you're not able to release it, OK. But then don't let anyone know that you have it. The common theme here is telling people about it, knowing damn well that their interest is going to get piqued.

 

 

>>Attacking me and saying what JOHN and LAWLESS said here is a perfect
example. Making judgements and casting aspersions without fully
knowing what they are talking about. <<

 

"I'm being attacked". Oh, where have I heard that before?

 

At the end of the day, all I can tell you is that it wasn't intended as an attack. But I make my comments based on what I do know about a person or situation. I remember a comment to the effect of "I can't believe that more POTA fans didn't contribute material from their personal collections to my book.", and that seems to fly in the face of what you're saying about not being able (or willing) to release your own material. Then there's the comment you once made about Brian Pendreigh being upset that Heston wasn't interested in being interviewed for his book, yet you said the same thing to me about Don Murray in reference to your book. Again, that's a big contradiction coming from someone who just wrote "...but I gotta say some of
you just are a little too "anal" about jumping all over anyone who has a different set of values than your own."

 

Contradiction can often bring confusion with it, but sometimes it's fairly revelatory as well.

 

 

Chris L.

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Very interesting stuff Scott, especially reading that all that work went into getting a complete 2:35:1 master struck. Fox own lack of attention to detail and cost cutting efforts- which resulted in the poor performance of the previous films on LD- is pretty much responsible for BATTLE getting axed. Do you know if that master of BATTLE was used for the Japanese Laserdisc Box Set?

 

Out of curiosity, do you know why ESCAPE ended up getting released on LD before BENEATH? There were a few stores I always went to when shopping for LDs, and the new release dates were always listed somewhere. I remember going down to NYC one day *specifically* to get BENEATH, and ESCAPE was there in it's stead. Being that ESCAPE was always my least favorite of the five, it was especially disappointing. I think I picked both ESCAPE and CONQUEST up from a place called Laser's Edge in...Massachusetts, maybe? Both were on a closeout discount, so I got them for a more reasonable price.

 

Dr. Hasslein, I'm willing to bet that wasn't mentioned at the video store's studio day.  ;-)

 

BTW, could someone explain to me what the difference is between widescreen and anamorphic as well as all those different aspect ration numbers I see? Or point me to a website that has all the info?

 

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

"scott bosco" <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

>>I had suggest that when BATTLE was given the green light for a widescreen Laserdisc release I had brought it up that there was a longer version currently playing in syndication on TV. The person I knew at FOX in Mich. who did the element searches and transfers was amazed to find this out. He did a search but at first nothing came up. I then duped my Beta copy I had made of the film (Yes, Beta!) when in aired on a local station. Once getting it he was able to ID cut footage stored. Most exciting at the time was that he was able to find the elements in their original 2.35;1 aspect ratio - unlike the pan & scanned ones used for the TV print. Knowing what to look for he dealt with the L.A. vaults and put together a complete widescreen master. Remember, back than it was ONLY widescreen not anamorphic. The master was struck and awaiting a pressing date. Due to the poor performance of the previous films especially CONQUEST on LD BATTLE was canceled. The elements for CONQUEST used for the LD released were horrible. Quality and price simply put consumers off and the when the numbers fell so to was BATTLEs release from the slate. Another factor was, at the time FOX had decided to use a UK company for manufacturing the disc. That company had a huge run of disc that were defective. There was a problem with the glue process of the two platters - air had gotten in between the pressing which in turned caused a lot of micro bubbles which visually caused multi-colored flecks to appear when the disc was played. Also, there was a problem with laser rot - as it was commonly called. Those discs would just get worse and visually breakdown completely with multi-colored static-like noise in the picture. I know FOX also had huge problems with THE FINAL CONFLICT and IMAGE ENT. had the same problem with SPACE: 1999 on LD (I was a consultant for that too) Another factor in this mess was pricing. FOX was asking premium amounts for the APE films $50 - $60. When PLANET was first released there was the corrupted color. The technology wasn't what we have today in terms of digital restoration for color and the like and the original element had really gone south. The color timing was soooo bad they had to make a choice between having proper skin tones or achieving the color green. This shows in the corn field sequence where the corn leaves are SILVER GREY! It was horrible. This color issue was only in the widescreen elements since newer pan & scanned elements and prints were newer and preserved. Year ago those elements were the gold the studios cared for since back then there wasn't a use for widescreen elements after theatrical runs were done. No one would have guessed that the original widescreen elements would eventually become a standard again. <<

 

"drhasslein" < drhasslein@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

>>That was me. <<

 

 

I wrote:

 

>>I've forgotten now- did you post any info regarding the decision to not
release BATTLE on LD originally? I remember someone here talking about a
"studio day" at a local video store and a rep taking questions. Also
something about the release consistently being shot down when brought up
in discussion. Was that you? <<

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> I think the what set off people and ruffled feathers is how
everything was stated. There are ways, and then ways. These
interviews are the like are the property of the person who made
them. He is not to blame. Phrasing that they will never never be
heard is a bit over the top and or reflects an embittered attitude.
> We all know FOX, and the lack of ingenuity, and the total lack of
the creative process they profess. It's typical they would turn down
what the did by way of proof of what they've release on this
subject. It it FOX that is to blame also for not using the NATO
BENEATH footage no matter how they feel about it's source. That's
plain bullshit. They the company originally owned the footage to say
it was given to them under unsavory conditions is bull. If anything
they could have confiscated the material - it was theirs. There are
many legal ways to walk about a sticky situation. I know, being a
consultant for various companies in the home video realm for over 25
years believe me rules are conveniently broken in the most common of
places - but, when there is a will, there is a way. FOX doesn't
care. Even bringing up a suggestion they shove wall in front of your
face and come up with anything not to do it. In the years I've dealt
with them they have changed in to a
> swamp that is in need of chlorine. The proof is how they choose
to present their releases and their total lack of respect for catalog
titles.
> In the end, it doesn't matter who has what - we won't see it
properly done if the studio doesn't want us to have it.
> Yet, if that material is presented in any other way, or format by
the person holding I'm sure FOX will be hell bent to reach out and
pulverize that person. ...and that is where, I bet, the phrase
of "you'll never see it may come in" Personally I went through that
with DISNEY when I worked on WATCHER IN THE WOODS. I was threatened
on may levels. In the end DISNEY kept their footage - I DECIDED THEY
WOULD KEEP ME. I wrote about and was threatened more. But, in the
end I made a decision that that would keep me quiet. Some people
can't do that. they either won't or can't stand up for various
reasons. Everyone has to live with themselves, and their choices.
But in the end, it is FOX who holds the cards.
> Scott B.
>
> Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
> "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> >>Lawless, is that you again? <<
>
> It is. I haven't gone anywhere.
>
>
> >> I never claimed "mine"..the BENEATH NATO
> material is available if Fox wants it,I offered it--they don't want
> it. The reason it was "contraband" at the time it was originally
> transferred was that it was given to ME with the caveat that it not
> be circulated. So actually I WAS sharing it with fans by breaking a
> confidence,technically. <<
>
> You really can't expect most fans to keep this stuff to
theirselves though. The genie was let out of the bottle (by you, no
less), and the material made the rounds both amongst fans and
collectors conventions. It happens. And even though I mentioned Apes
fans, the "mine mine mine" attitude was more a reference to an
attitude I've seen in numerous groups and mailing lists: movies,
music, comic books, television series to name a few.
>
>
> >>You know,if you read alot of the posts made on this forum, you
will
> see that alot of you guys tend to get very hissy and hysterical
over
> issues like this. I keep an eye on what's said here because I have
a
> vested interest in the legacy of the series, but I gotta say some
of
> you just are a little too "anal" about jumping all over anyone who
> has a different set of values than your own. <<
>
> I think that anyone who runs a group or website, or joins a group
and contributes, has a vested interest in the legacy of the subject
matter. I don't know what you're thinking about, but the sniping you
described doesn't happen here. Elsewhere, yes. Not in James' group
though.
>
>
> >>Regarding commentaries.. I believe I mentioned in a previous
post
> that I sent samples of my person-to-person interviews with cast
> members to the BLU RAY producers, and they decided NOT to use them.
I
> resent rumors being spread that I have "hoarded" material. This is
my
> research that I (and Larry Landsman) spent thousands of dollars and
> hundreds of hours to obtain. We haven't made a fraction of our
> investment back on PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED, and perhaps one
day
> we can create another project to share it with the fans. But I do
not
> have the authority myself to just release material free into
cyberspace.<<
>
> Although that part I understand (and can even appreciate from my
time in the music industry), you have said to me personally over the
phone (while talking about a particular thing that's only in your
collection) "This will NEVER see the light of day as far as Apes fans
are concerned". No mention about not being able to release it- just
that you're "never" going to release it. So how else would that
comment be interpreted? And I'm not the only person you've said
things like that to either. Nor am I the only person you've told what
exactly you have in your collection.
>
> Here's the thing. Having material from research and spending your
own money on it is one thing. But to then *tell* people you have it
but aren't going to release it because you don't have the authority
to is a dick move. To tell them about it and not release it just
because it's "yours" is a massive dick move. If you're not able to
release it, OK. But then don't let anyone know that you have it. The
common theme here is telling people about it, knowing damn well that
their interest is going to get piqued.
>
>
> >>Attacking me and saying what JOHN and LAWLESS said here is a
perfect
> example. Making judgements and casting aspersions without fully
> knowing what they are talking about. <<
>
> "I'm being attacked". Oh, where have I heard that before?
>
> At the end of the day, all I can tell you is that it wasn't
intended as an attack. But I make my comments based on what I do know
about a person or situation. I remember a comment to the effect of "I
can't believe that more POTA fans didn't contribute material from
their personal collections to my book.", and that seems to fly in the
face of what you're saying about not being able (or willing) to
release your own material. Then there's the comment you once made
about Brian Pendreigh being upset that Heston wasn't interested in
being interviewed for his book, yet you said the same thing to me
about Don Murray in reference to your book. Again, that's a big
contradiction coming from someone who just wrote "...but I gotta say
some of
> you just are a little too "anal" about jumping all over anyone who
has a different set of values than your own."
>
> Contradiction can often bring confusion with it, but sometimes
it's fairly revelatory as well.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________

OK guys let's all play nice.

It has never been a requirement of this group that anyone has to share items from their personal collections with the rest of the group. Whether someone chooses to do so or not it is their prerogative alone and no one has the right to dictate what someone else chooses to do with their personal property.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> "softparadeband" softparadeband@... wrote:
>
> >>Lawless, is that you again? <<
>
> It is. I haven't gone anywhere.
>
>
> >> I never claimed "mine"..the BENEATH NATO
> material is available if Fox wants it,I offered it--they don't want
> it. The reason it was "contraband" at the time it was originally
> transferred was that it was given to ME with the caveat that it not
> be circulated. So actually I WAS sharing it with fans by breaking a
> confidence,technically. <<
>
> You really can't expect most fans to keep this stuff to theirselves
> though. The genie was let out of the bottle (by you, no less), and the
> material made the rounds both amongst fans and collectors conventions. It
> happens. And even though I mentioned Apes fans, the "mine mine mine"
> attitude was more a reference to an attitude I've seen in numerous groups
> and mailing lists: movies, music, comic books, television series to name
> a few.
>
>
> >>You know,if you read alot of the posts made on this forum, you will
> see that alot of you guys tend to get very hissy and hysterical over
> issues like this. I keep an eye on what's said here because I have a
> vested interest in the legacy of the series, but I gotta say some of
> you just are a little too "anal" about jumping all over anyone who
> has a different set of values than your own. <<
>
> I think that anyone who runs a group or website, or joins a group and
> contributes, has a vested interest in the legacy of the subject matter. I
> don't know what you're thinking about, but the sniping you described
> doesn't happen here. Elsewhere, yes. Not in James' group though.
>
>
> >>Regarding commentaries.. I believe I mentioned in a previous post
> that I sent samples of my person-to-person interviews with cast
> members to the BLU RAY producers, and they decided NOT to use them. I
> resent rumors being spread that I have "hoarded" material. This is my
> research that I (and Larry Landsman) spent thousands of dollars and
> hundreds of hours to obtain. We haven't made a fraction of our
> investment back on PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED, and perhaps one day
> we can create another project to share it with the fans. But I do not
> have the authority myself to just release material free into
> cyberspace.<<
>
> Although that part I understand (and can even appreciate from my time in
> the music industry), you have said to me personally over the phone (while
> talking about a particular thing that's only in your collection) "This
> will NEVER see the light of day as far as Apes fans are concerned". No
> mention about not being able to release it- just that you're "never"
> going to release it. So how else would that comment be interpreted? And
> I'm not the only person you've said things like that to either. Nor am I
> the only person you've told what exactly you have in your collection.
>
> Here's the thing. Having material from research and spending your own
> money on it is one thing. But to then *tell* people you have it but
> aren't going to release it because you don't have the authority to is a
> dick move. To tell them about it and not release it just because it's
> "yours" is a massive dick move. If you're not able to release it, OK. But
> then don't let anyone know that you have it. The common theme here is
> telling people about it, knowing damn well that their interest is going
> to get piqued.
>
>
> >>Attacking me and saying what JOHN and LAWLESS said here is a perfect
> example. Making judgements and casting aspersions without fully
> knowing what they are talking about. <<
>
> "I'm being attacked". Oh, where have I heard that before?
>
> At the end of the day, all I can tell you is that it wasn't intended as
> an attack. But I make my comments based on what I do know about a person
> or situation. I remember a comment to the effect of "I can't believe that
> more POTA fans didn't contribute material from their personal collections
> to my book.", and that seems to fly in the face of what you're saying
> about not being able (or willing) to release your own material. Then
> there's the comment you once made about Brian Pendreigh being upset that
> Heston wasn't interested in being interviewed for his book, yet you said
> the same thing to me about Don Murray in reference to your book. Again,
> that's a big contradiction coming from someone who just wrote "...but I
> gotta say some of
> you just are a little too "anal" about jumping all over anyone who has a
> different set of values than your own."
>
> Contradiction can often bring confusion with it, but sometimes it's
> fairly revelatory as well.
>
>
> Chris L.
> ____________________________________________________________
> Get educated. Click here for Adult Education programs.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNbXeU7RfVeHp9PsON3glnJH44f8OPAuZEiDVayU8P9uaYG/
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ~~Joanne~~ <josievan@...> wrote:
>
> does it state on Wikipedia who is making the changes?
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
> Subject: [pota] Wikipedia
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 10:42 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is weird. Someone keeps going in to the Wikipedia entries for
> Conquest, Breck, Kolp, Armando, The Forbidden Zone and Caesar,
> changing the locations of the fourth film to Central City, and
> deleting all references to Ape Management, claiming the film
> novelizations place Conquest in Central City, even though they
> don't. What the heck?
>

> Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
> >
> Dr. Hasslein, I'm willing to bet that wasn't mentioned at the video

>
>

--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re:UNCUT ORIGINAL CONQUEST SCREENING IN TEXAS!!!
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, September 21, 2008, 9:26 PM
> Harry Knowles went.
>
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38419 Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Lawless
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:52 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re:UNCUT ORIGINAL CONQUEST SCREENING IN
> TEXAS!!!
>
>
>
> OK, who went last night?
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> >>This one-time only screening will be free and
> open to the general public on Saturday, September 20, at
> 12pm. Following this, Fox Home Entertainment will make this
> version available exclusively in the PLANET OF THE APES 40
> Year Evolution Blu-Ray Collection available in stores on
> November 4th. The Fantastic Fest CONQUEST screening will be
> in 1080p HD, making this the first public high def screening
> of any of the APES films, and will preceded by Fox DVD
> giveaways and previews. Come witness the birth of the PLANET
> OF THE APES like you've never seen before - before
> anyone else does!" <<
>
>
>
>

>
> Me as well. I'm looking forward to the new issue (as I always do).
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> >>Personally, guys, I thought it was great. <<
>
>
> "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...> wrote:
>
> >>Just had a look at the cover art of SS #15.
>
> It looks good...but
>
> I don't like the way charlton heston's face is represented.
>
> I mean, it doesn't even look like him.
>
> I think it should be redone,(passive look) and also it doesn't
> sit/feel right with the rest of the picture.
>
> Sorry.
>
> Great art...but not so great. <<
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Digital bits has posted the artwork for the individual releases.
Not
> the one sheet art work, but interesting new art...
>
> http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > Fox Reveals Individual Apes Films; Super Troopers
> > Posted September 18, 2008 09:12 AM by Josh Dreuth
> >
> > In an early announcement to retailers, Fox Home Entertainment
has
> revealed that they will, in addition to the previously
> announced 'Planet Of The Apes: 40 Year Evolution Blu-ray
Collection',
> release all the "Planet of the Apes" films individually with the
same
> November 4th release date. As this is an unofficial announcement,
we
> can only assume at this time that the discs will be identical to
those
> found in the set.
> >
>

For a sneak peek at the cover art for the next Simian Scrolls just
follow these links. Scrolls extends a huge thank-you to artist, Tom
Rubalcava, whose incredible talent is only matched by his generosity.

<http://www.drawingb oard.org/ viewtopic. php?t=65050>

<http://trubalcava. com/blog/ 2008/09/16/ simian-scrolls- uk-apes-fanzine- cover/>

As usual the issue is taking longer to put to bed than expected but
there's now a definite light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks,
Dave

The drawing is nice. I appreciate anything done from the original film's images, but I do have to say that the Heston likeness looks a little too much like that guy from "Sideways."

-- Rory

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Greetings, everyone. I was wondering if anyone in the group can send
me scans of the booklet that came with the Schifrin TV series score. I
have the booklets for the other scores, and will be happy to share them
in return. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Jeff (RedSpy)

If no one else can do that for you, Jeff, I'd be happy to, but when I can get to it is another matter.

Anyway, I've been meaning to mention here that during the summer the Film Score Monthly CD of BENEATH's score sold out (all 3000 of them!) and it's now a collector's item. So, any of you that have a copy -- keep good care of it. Also, there's been a poll up at FSM for some time now on what's your favorite Leonard Rosenman score, and BENEATH is tops with over one thousand votes.

-- Rory

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This is weird. Someone keeps going in to the Wikipedia entries for
Conquest, Breck, Kolp, Armando, The Forbidden Zone and Caesar,
changing the locations of the fourth film to Central City, and
deleting all references to Ape Management, claiming the film
novelizations place Conquest in Central City, even though they
don't. What the heck?

What the hell is "Central City"?!?

I'll bet this is one of those loopy "Time Loopers" doing this.

-- Rory

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I wouldn't use "interesting" to describe the artwork...I would use a
word like "nauseating" . Looks like a videogame package designed by a
22 year old. Highly unappealing in my opinion. Too bad.

I was just thinking today how sick it makes me to look at the new "reworked" POTA logo. God dammit all to hell!!! Why did Fox have to change the original logo?

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Greetings, everyone. I was wondering if anyone in the group can
send
>
> me scans of the booklet that came with the Schifrin TV series
score. I
>
> have the booklets for the other scores, and will be happy to share
them
>
> in return. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
>
>
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
> If no one else can do that for you, Jeff, I'd be happy to, but when
I can get to it is another matter.
>
>
>
> Anyway, I've been meaning to mention here that during the summer
the Film Score Monthly CD of BENEATH's score sold out (all 3000 of
them!) and it's now a collector's item. Â So, any of you that have a
copy -- keep good care of it. Â Also, there's been a poll up at FSM
for some time now on what's your favorite Leonard Rosenman score, and
BENEATH is tops with over one thousand votes.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

>
>
> I'm glad someone tried to tell them thier packaging design was

>
> To: pota@...: digitalcinema@...: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:27:53 -

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head in describing those who might

> - Scott B.--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:
> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>Subject: [pota] Re: Individual Blu-

>
>
>
> I wouldn't use "interesting" to describe the artwork...I would use

>
> -- Rory
>
>
> Find phone numbers fast with the New AOL Yellow Pages!
>
>
>
>
>
> _____

I really don't think there are going to be different pressings of
the "box" discs and individual releases. That would be more money for
Fox to spend.

Right now Amazon has the box on preorder for $105, the individual for
$26 or $27 each... The box is the better value, even when the
individuals drop to $15 that's $75 and you don't get the book, so I
think the set is a pretty fair price...

OK, throw a net over me, but I just pre-ordered the Blu-ray box set. I thought it was going to cost more, but for $105.00, I'll take one.

Now, I just need to get a Blu-ray player.

-- Rory

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I think you hit the nail on the head in describing those who might be responsible. I went through the same thing in a meeting with the designers hired by A&E for their SPACE:1999 DVD releases. All they wanted to do was change the logo of the show. I protested by is was like they couldn't even hear me. I was sent in as a consultant sat with these schmucks for over 2hrs. In the end the packaging was down right awful.

- Scott B.

Why do these people even ask for "consultants" in the first place? Just to make themselves feel better? I think they do what they do just to justify their jobs.

(I suspect Fox changed, slightly, the PLANET logo in order to renew their copyright on it.

-- Rory

>
>
>
> I really don't think there are going to be different pressings of
>
> the "box" discs and individual releases. That would be more money

>
> Fox to spend.
>
>
>
> Right now Amazon has the box on preorder for $105, the individual

>
> $26 or $27 each... The box is the better value, even when the
>
> individuals drop to $15 that's $75 and you don't get the book, so I
>
> think the set is a pretty fair price...
> OK, throw a net over me, but I just pre-ordered the Blu-ray box

>
>
>
> Now, I just need to get a Blu-ray player.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> -- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mike R <mego73@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm glad someone tried to tell them thier packaging design was
> awful. I could've done better with one hand tied behind my back.
> >

--- On Tue, 9/23/08, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:

> From: scott bosco <digitalcinema@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Individual Blu-Ray releases
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 7:27 PM
> I think you hit the nail on the head in describing those who
> might be responsible. I went through the same thing in a
> meeting with the designers hired by A&E for their
> SPACE:1999 DVD releases. All they wanted to do was change
> the logo of the show. I protested by is was like they
> couldn't even hear me. I was sent in as a consultant
> sat with these schmucks for over 2hrs. In the end the
> packaging was down right awful.
> - Scott B.
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Haristas@...
> <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Individual Blu-Ray releases
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 6:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I wouldn't use "interesting" to describe the
> artwork...I would use a
> word like "nauseating" . Looks like a videogame
> package designed by a
> 22 year old. Highly unappealing in my opinion. Too bad.I
> was just thinking today how sick it makes me to look at the
> new "reworked" POTA logo. God dammit all to
> hell!!! Why did Fox have to change the original logo?
>
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Find phone numbers fast with the New AOL Yellow Pages!

how is it different? it looks the same to me....

Well, it's slight, but when you've been living with the original most of your life, you notice these things!

The APES no longer lines up right under the end of PLANET, as it should, and the "of the" as been made same and no longer have the raised H and larger F.

What can I say -- give me the original! I forget the name of the man who designed the logo.

-- Rory

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--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> From: Dave B <smugster2000@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Individual Blu-Ray releases
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:35 AM
> New Blu-Ray Covers
>
> I like them!
>
> They're bold, striking and most important of all, they
> catch the eye.
> If anything they remind me of comic book covers, the like
> produced by
> Alex Ross.
>
> These designs are a better choice than the old, oft-used
> poster
> reproductions. They advocate `new' (re Blu-ray) not
> "old' (re VHS) and
> I like the way each cover successfully evokes the movie it
> represents.
> For years we've been asking them for something new and
> here they've
> given us just that!
>
> The `Beneath' cover in particular is a stand-out, the
> Zaius
> re-creation is spookily accurate – I'm still not 100%
> convinced that
> isn't Maurice Evans!
>
> I don't see Apemania's participation as a
> hindrance, I welcome it as
> something long-overdue. I'd rather have Roddy's,
> Arthur's and
> Franklin's legacy in their respectful hands that say…
> uhmmm… Tim
> Burtons? These guys aren't `impersonating' Apes any
> more than Reeve or
> Routh impersonate `Superman' or Brosnan and Craig
> impersonate `James
> Bond'.
>
> So there's been some re-invention… good! If APES has
> any kind of
> future it's going to need it.
>
> Dave

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Individual Blu-Ray releases
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:44 AM
> how is it different? it looks the same to me....
> Well, it's slight, but when you've been living with
> the original most of your life, you notice these things!
>
>
>
> The APES no longer lines up right under the end of PLANET,
> as it should, and the "of the" as been made same
> and no longer have the raised H and larger F.
>
>
>
>
> What can I say -- give me the original! I forget the name
> of the man who designed the logo.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory

Original logo:

Revised logo:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> how is it different? it looks the same to me....
> Well, it's slight, but when you've been living with the original most of your life, you notice these things!
>
>
>
> The APES no longer lines up right under the end of PLANET, as it should, and the "of the" as been made same and no longer have the raised H and larger F.  
>
>
>
>
> What can I say -- give me the original!  I forget the name of the man who designed the logo.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

New Blu-Ray Covers

I like them!

They're bold, striking and most important of all, they catch the eye.
If anything they remind me of comic book covers, the like produced by
Alex Ross.

These designs are a better choice than the old, oft-used poster
reproductions. They advocate `new' (re Blu-ray) not "old' (re VHS) and
I like the way each cover successfully evokes the movie it represents.
For years we've been asking them for something new and here they've
given us just that!

The `Beneath' cover in particular is a stand-out, the Zaius
re-creation is spookily accurate – I'm still not 100% convinced that
isn't Maurice Evans!

I don't see Apemania's participation as a hindrance, I welcome it as
something long-overdue. I'd rather have Roddy's, Arthur's and
Franklin's legacy in their respectful hands that say… uhmmm… Tim
Burtons? These guys aren't `impersonating' Apes any more than Reeve or
Routh impersonate `Superman' or Brosnan and Craig impersonate `James
Bond'.

So there's been some re-invention… good! If APES has any kind of
future it's going to need it.

Dave

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! How long have you worked for Fox, Dave?

Listen, to each his own, but last night, as I was trying to get to sleep, the images of these new covers popped into my head, and I was really struck yet again by how bloody awful they are. You're dead on, Dave, making the reference to comic book covers. They do seem to reduce the movies to a comic book level. I guess Fox knows what it's doing. I guess these covers aren't meant to sell the movies to all us old farts that grew up with them in their original releases. Instead, it looks as if Fox is trying to sell them to a newer generation. (A generation of what, I don't know!) From the comments I often check in on at IMDB it seems as if many people much younger than myself discover these movies for the first time and like them, though often for reasons that don't impress me much. Well, I guess this is all part of the Evolution of the APES films, and at least Fox has stopped spoiling the first film with the Statue of Liberty image. Now if only we could collect up all the 30th Anniversary covers and burn them.

But for me, these Blu-ray covers suck big time, and I think Apemania does a very inconsistent job recreating the characters from the films. Is that supposed to be Zira on the cover of ESCAPE?!? Looks like one of the bad makeup jobs on the chimp extras in BENEATH! Nope, these things will have to just be ignored on my part. I've decided to go with the box set anyway (the cover of which stinks too -- Why the spaceship on the cover, of all things?), so unless in the future these individual releases end up in a $5 bargain bin someplace, I won't be buying them -- not even as collector item curiosity pieces. Nope! Can't do it, Dave! You know why? Because I care less about APES future than in the preservation of its past, and.....

BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TOO DAMNED UGLY!

-- Rory

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you're right! I didn't notice! Good eye!

> The APES no longer lines up right under the end of PLANET,
> as it should, and the "of the" as been made same
> and no longer have the raised H and larger F.
>
> What can I say -- give me the original! I forget the name
> of the man who designed the logo.
>
> -- Rory

Oh, and I guess I should give a lament for the now seemingly completely dumped by Fox original title logos to all the sequels. We'll never see them again, except in those "interactive pressbooks." Of course, you can always go to Hunter's site and check them out -- unless you're lucky enough to own some copies.

>These new covers were likely designed by a "twenty something" who is

>
>
> New Blu-Ray Covers
>
>
>
> I like them!
>
>
>
> They're bold, striking and most important of all, they catch the

>
> If anything they remind me of comic book covers, the like produced

>
> Alex Ross.
>
>
>
> These designs are a better choice than the old, oft-used poster
>
> reproductions. They advocate `new' (re Blu-ray) not "old' (re VHS)

>
> I like the way each cover successfully evokes the movie it

>
> For years we've been asking them for something new and here they've
>
> given us just that!
>
>
>
> The `Beneath' cover in particular is a stand-out, the Zaius
>
> re-creation is spookily accurate â€" I'm still not 100% convinced

>
> isn't Maurice Evans!
>
>
>
> I don't see Apemania's participation as a hindrance, I welcome it as
>
> something long-overdue. I'd rather have Roddy's, Arthur's and
>
> Franklin's legacy in their respectful hands that say… uhmmm… Tim
>
> Burtons? These guys aren't `impersonating' Apes any more than Reeve

>
> Routh impersonate `Superman' or Brosnan and Craig impersonate `James
>
> Bond'.
>
>
>
> So there's been some re-invention… good! If APES has any kind of
>
> future it's going to need it.
>
>
>
> Dave
> SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Â How long have you worked for Fox, Dave?
>
>
>
> Listen, to each his own, but last night, as I was trying to get to

> m to reduce the movies to a comic book level. Â I guess Fox knows

>
>
>
>
> But for me, these Blu-ray covers suck big time, and I think

> Because I care less about APES future than in the preservation of

>
>
>
>
> BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TOO DAMNED UGLY!
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> To me,there will be enough differences,additionals, revisions for

>
> I really don't think there are going to be different pressings of
>
> the "box" discs and individual releases. That would be more money

>
> Fox to spend.
>
>
>
> Right now Amazon has the box on preorder for $105, the individual

>
> $26 or $27 each... The box is the better value, even when the
>
> individuals drop to $15 that's $75 and you don't get the book, so I
>
> think the set is a pretty fair price...
> OK, throw a net over me, but I just pre-ordered the Blu-ray box

>
>
>
> Now, I just need to get a Blu-ray player.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

> OK, throw a net over me, but I just pre-ordered the Blu-ray box set.

>
>
>
> Now, I just need to get a Blu-ray player.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

--- On Wed, 9/24/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> From: James <JamesA1102@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Individual Blu-Ray releases
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 9:57 AM
> Original logo:
>
>
>
> Revised logo:
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > how is it different? it looks the same to me....
> > Well, it's slight, but when you've been living
> with the original most
> of your life, you notice these things!
> >
> >
> >
> > The APES no longer lines up right under the end of
> PLANET, as it
> should, and the "of the" as been made same and no
> longer have the raised
> H and larger F. Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What can I say -- give me the original! Â I forget
> the name of the
> man who designed the logo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Rory
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mike R <mego73@...> wrote:
>
>
> I know they have been posted here previously, but can someone post the covers in
question so we can all have a look at them again?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> THought this was cool.....
>
> and with gas stations running out of gas everywhere...(I went to thirteen different stations
today before I found one that had gas!).....seems it's time for The ROad Warrior to set about
on his rounds!
>
> http://mine.myxer.com/2008/09/24/t-shirt-celebrates-sci-fi-post-apocalyptic-
classics/
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

I forget the name
>
> > of the man who designed the logo.


Was it Ed Benguiat

Dave B

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
>
> I forget the name
> >
> > > of the man who designed the logo.
>
>
> Was it Ed Benguiat
>
> Dave B
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> I saw that too...I didn't understand it.
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: Rich Handley
>
> Date: 09/22/08 09:48:05
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [pota] Wikipedia
>
>
>
> This is weird. Someone keeps going in to the Wikipedia entries for
>
> Conquest, Breck, Kolp, Armando, The Forbidden Zone and Caesar,
>
> changing the locations of the fourth film to Central City, and
>
> deleting all references to Ape Management, claiming the film
>
> novelizations place Conquest in Central City, even though they
>
> don't. What the heck?
>