Exactly, Karyl!  That's what I've been saying.    Have you ever checked out the ANSANAUT site?   Zach      -------Original Message----- --   From: Karyl Miller Date: 10/18/2008 6:22:49 PM To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features   I always thought that it was Brent's ship that they found.   How would they have gotten Taylor's ship out of the water without salvage equipment, especially since the apes had such a low level of technology?       Karyl Miller From: m c <aboro3085@yahoo. com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:03:33 PM Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features --- On Sat, 10/18/08, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@aol. com> wrote: From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@aol. com> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features To: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 11:12 AM I noticed that too...and I'd be willing to bet that it also includes the scene where the three mutants--Caspay, Adiposo (the Fat Man) and the Verger of the cathedral--being gunned down via orders from General Ursus in front of the ruined Radio City Music Hall marquee!      *** I'm quite sure that Rory was just being sarcastic with his comments... You did see that he ended it by saying it probably was just a typo didn't you?   In any case, this alleged scene that nobody else has ever mentioned, it's not even in the script, never existed on film. It was not on the screen in 1970, nor was it on any of the subsequent home video releases... So unless APEMANIA took your false memory and decided to film a fake scene you'll never see anything like the supposed gunning down... This scene no more existed than the proposed "underwater scene" from BENEATH... Saying this scene was real with nothing to back it up is about as productive as saying that Ursus shot a protestor... ***     And what about ESCAPE?  This "Secret Behind ESCAPE" section the disc listed...is that where one could finally see the deleted scene about the third ship taking off right before the AO Bomb exploded, Zira, Cornelius and Milo witnessing the nuclear destruction of the planet, hitting the time warp and landing back on Earth in 1973?     *** You want to know the Secret Behind ESCAPE? The secret was they blew up earth in BENEATH and they used Taylor's raised from the dead ship to jettison back in time. There was no third ship, that's just total bullsh*t. I'll go with James' way of thinking on this for sure by saying "If it was meant to be a third ship, Dehn would have made it a 'third ship' in the script". The script and the film clearly indicate that it was supposed to be Taylor's ship from PLANET.   The "secret" behind ESCAPE?The secret was the apes from the future came back in time carrying the saviour for their kind.     -------Original Message----- --   From: Haristas@aol. com Date: 10/13/2008 9:52:43 PM To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features   Just went to http://www.foxhome. com/ and typed in "Planet of the Apes" on the their search engine. This is the information it gave me on the blu-ray features for each disc (took snap shots).   http://www.potacoll ective.com/ beneath1. jpg   http://www.potacoll ective.com/ beneath2. jpg It gives the running time of BENEATH as 100 minutes.  That's five minutes longer than the version we all know. OMG!!!  This is a longer version of BENEATH!!!!  What else could be included?  Maybe those scenes with Cornelius sorting the humans and Ursus, Zaius and the Minister talking politics, and the fat mutant doing whatever it was the fat mutant did that we didn't get to see! OMG!!!!  OMG!!!! On the other hand, it's most probably just a typo. -- Rory ;) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail. yahoo.com   Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com   <.html Group: pota Message: 49228 From: James Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Beneath's days (Was: Blu-ray Disc Features) .html Beneath clearly takes place over a few days, not months. Brent tells the Mutants that he had been in Ape City only two days before. --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote: > > I think that the time span in BENEATH was months, not just a few days. > > > > Zach > <.html Group: pota Message: 49229 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: POTA BLU-RAY BOX SET .html Judging from the image I've just uploaded it looks to me like the UK release may not include the book that's packaged with the US version. UK releases have always been inferior to the US versions and if this follows the trend I won't be buying. Dave B I've been meaning to mention this. I doubt this book thing is anything to get excited about. It'll be a glossy surface overview of all the films, but don't expect great depth or any new revelations. POTA REVISITED and that "other book from England" told you nearly everything there is to know. I've read much by Lee Pfeiffer and Dave Worrall at Cinemaretro, website and magazine, and they're OK, but they always leave you wanting more. -- Rory <.html Group: pota Message: 49230 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Now I'm concerned... .html Okay that sound real nice but FOX has F*%KED the consumer! They took the simple fake stereo they used on the older standard DVD release from about 4 - 5 years ago and dumped it on Blu-ray! To them re- mastered audio on these titles were simple putting them through an equalizer to extend and or lessen any hiss. This is real re-mixed audio like the BOND films. I'm not surprised by this. The only thing that's better about some of these Blu-ray is that he PCM audio isn't compressed as it is on standard DVD. I do have to wonder though... if Fox is going to give us isolated scores for all the APES sequels in 5.1, are they only going to give us "fake" stereo when these scores are on CD in true stereo?!! I find that hard to believe. As far as the packaging goes... well, we know what we think of the graphics. -- Rory <.html Group: pota Message: 49231 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Beneath's days (Was: Blu-ray Disc Features) .html I think that the time span in BENEATH was months, not just a few days. Zach Can you support that? -- Rory <.html Group: pota Message: 49232 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: London POTA ad .html Found this in a UK published Digest mag called Showguide from April of 68....thought it might spark memories in our Brit members! Strange how the British ads and posters use, in my opinion, a better picture of Harrison as Nova. -- Rory . McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! <.html Group: pota Message: 49233 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Now I'm concerned... .html Also, if you're concerned about that.... Read this: http://dvdsavant.com/s2732stua.html/div> -- Rory McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! <.html Group: pota Message: 49234 From: m c Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features .html *** Obviously you're ignoring any of the posts in which I seriously asked why you believe there's a third ship or as your other post supported, that the ship in BENEATH is Brent's ship. I've yet to see anything in reply to my questions and I'd like to know exactly what evidence there might be or how you even came to your theories.   I'm trying to figure out how two theories which together or alone make no sense as to how the ship in ESCAPE can be any craft other than Taylor's?   And just because some guy has a "third ship" theory on his websight doesn't give it any validity... It's like the guy who was shown on TV Land's "Myths and Legends" show... He posted a bullsh*t theory on his websight about Mr. Ed really being a zebra, not a horse...The guy said he did it just to see how many people would fall for it... Maybe the alleged "third ship" is the zebra of the ANSANAUT sight... That or it's a theory that's rewriting the films, reinventing the wheel as a square. *** --- On Sun, 10/26/08, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> wrote: From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:27 AM Karyl and my other fellow Apester friends, sorry that I haven't had a chance to be on for awhile again.   Ma'am, the ANSANAUT site is about all five of the movies, the TV series, etc., that is run by a friend of mine named Chris Shields.  He has a fascinating theory on the third ship that I found extremely logical.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: Karyl Miller Date: 10/20/2008 6:45:40 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features   Never heard of it.  What's it about?   Karyl Miller From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> To: pota@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:12:29 AM Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features Exactly, Karyl!  That's what I've been saying.    Have you ever checked out the ANSANAUT site?   Zach      -------Original Message----- --   From: Karyl Miller Date: 10/18/2008 6:22:49 PM To: mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features   I always thought that it was Brent's ship that they found.   How would they have gotten Taylor's ship out of the water without salvage equipment, especially since the apes had such a low level of technology?       Karyl Miller From: m c <aboro3085@yahoo. com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:03:33 PM Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features --- On Sat, 10/18/08, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@aol. com> wrote: From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@aol. com> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features To: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 11:12 AM I noticed that too...and I'd be willing to bet that it also includes the scene where the three mutants--Caspay, Adiposo (the Fat Man) and the Verger of the cathedral--being gunned down via orders from General Ursus in front of the ruined Radio City Music Hall marquee!      *** I'm quite sure that Rory was just being sarcastic with his comments... You did see that he ended it by saying it probably was just a typo didn't you?   In any case, this alleged scene that nobody else has ever mentioned, it's not even in the script, never existed on film. It was not on the screen in 1970, nor was it on any of the subsequent home video releases... So unless APEMANIA took your false memory and decided to film a fake scene you'll never see anything like the supposed gunning down... This scene no more existed than the proposed "underwater scene" from BENEATH... Saying this scene was real with nothing to back it up is about as productive as saying that Ursus shot a protestor... ***     And what about ESCAPE?  This "Secret Behind ESCAPE" section the disc listed...is that where one could finally see the deleted scene about the third ship taking off right before the AO Bomb exploded, Zira, Cornelius and Milo witnessing the nuclear destruction of the planet, hitting the time warp and landing back on Earth in 1973?     *** You want to know the Secret Behind ESCAPE? The secret was they blew up earth in BENEATH and they used Taylor's raised from the dead ship to jettison back in time. There was no third ship, that's just total bullsh*t. I'll go with James' way of thinking on this for sure by saying "If it was meant to be a third ship, Dehn would have made it a 'third ship' in the script". The script and the film clearly indicate that it was supposed to be Taylor's ship from PLANET.   The "secret" behind ESCAPE?The secret was the apes from the future came back in time carrying the saviour for their kind.     -------Original Message----- --   From: mailto:Haristas@... Date: 10/13/2008 9:52:43 PM To: mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features   Just went to http://www.foxhome.com/ and typed in "Planet of the Apes" on the their search engine. This is the information it gave me on the blu-ray features for each disc (took snap shots).   http://www.potacollective.com/beneath1.jpg   http://www.potacollective.com/beneath2.jpg It gives the running time of BENEATH as 100 minutes.  That's five minutes longer than the version we all know. OMG!!!  This is a longer version of BENEATH!!!!  What else could be included?  Maybe those scenes with Cornelius sorting the humans and Ursus, Zaius and the Minister talking politics, and the fat mutant doing whatever it was the fat mutant did that we didn't get to see! OMG!!!!  OMG!!!! On the other hand, it's most probably just a typo. -- Rory ;)   Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com <.html Group: pota Message: 49235 From: rassmguy Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features .html Maybe the ship IS a zebra. That would explain everything. --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote: > *** Obviously you're ignoring any of the posts in which I seriously asked why you believe there's a third ship or as your other post supported, that the ship in BENEATH is Brent's ship. I've yet to see anything in reply to my questions and I'd like to know exactly what evidence there might be or how you even came to your theories. > > I'm trying to figure out how two theories which together or alone make no sense as to how the ship in ESCAPE can be any craft other than Taylor's? > > And just because some guy has a "third ship" theory on his websight doesn't give it any validity... It's like the guy who was shown on TV Land's "Myths and Legends" show... He posted a bullsh*t theory on his websight about Mr. Ed really being a zebra, not a horse...The guy said he did it just to see how many people would fall for it... Maybe the alleged "third ship" is the zebra of the ANSANAUT sight... That or it's a theory that's rewriting the films, reinventing the wheel as a square. *** > > > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> wrote: > > From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > To: pota@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 9:27 AM > > > > #yiv2077759723 v\:* { > } > > > #yiv2077759723 v\:* { > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karyl and my other fellow Apester friends, sorry that I haven't had a chance to be on for awhile again. > > Ma'am, the ANSANAUT site is about all five of the movies, the TV series, etc., that is run by a friend of mine named Chris Shields. He has a fascinating theory on the third ship that I found extremely logical. > > Zach > > > -------Original Message------- > > > From: Karyl Miller > Date: 10/20/2008 6:45:40 AM > To: pota@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > > > Never heard of it. What's it about? > > Karyl Miller > > > > > > > From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly, Karyl! That's what I've been saying. > > Have you ever checked out the ANSANAUT site? > > Zach > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > From: Karyl Miller > Date: 10/18/2008 6:22:49 PM > To: mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > > > > > I always thought that it was Brent's ship that they found. > > How would they have gotten Taylor's ship out of the water without salvage equipment, especially since the apes had such a low level of technology? > > > > Karyl Miller > > > > > > > From: m c <aboro3085@yahoo. com> > To: pota@yahoogroups. com > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:03:33 PM > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/18/08, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@aol. com> wrote: > > From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@aol. com> > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > To: pota@yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 11:12 AM > > > > > > > > I noticed that too...and I'd be willing to bet that it also includes the scene where the three mutants--Caspay, Adiposo (the Fat Man) and the Verger of the cathedral--being gunned down via orders from General Ursus in front of the ruined Radio City Music Hall marquee! > > > *** I'm quite sure that Rory was just being sarcastic with his comments... You did see that he ended it by saying it probably was just a typo didn't you? > > In any case, this alleged scene that nobody else has ever mentioned, it's not even in the script, never existed on film. It was not on the screen in 1970, nor was it on any of the subsequent home video releases... So unless APEMANIA took your false memory and decided to film a fake scene you'll never see anything like the supposed gunning down... This scene no more existed than the proposed "underwater scene" from BENEATH... Saying this scene was real with nothing to back it up is about as productive as saying that Ursus shot a protestor... *** > > > And what about ESCAPE? This "Secret Behind ESCAPE" section the disc listed...is that where one could finally see the deleted scene about the third ship taking off right before the AO Bomb exploded, Zira, Cornelius and Milo witnessing the nuclear destruction of the planet, hitting the time warp and landing back on Earth in 1973? > > > *** You want to know the Secret Behind ESCAPE? The secret was they blew up earth in BENEATH and they used Taylor's raised from the dead ship to jettison back in time. There was no third ship, that's just total bullsh*t. I'll go with James' way of thinking on this for sure by saying "If it was meant to be a third ship, Dehn would have made it a 'third ship' in the script". The script and the film clearly indicate that it was supposed to be Taylor's ship from PLANET. > > The "secret" behind ESCAPE?The secret was the apes from the future came back in time carrying the saviour for their kind. > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > From: mailto:Haristas@... > Date: 10/13/2008 9:52:43 PM > To: mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > > > > > Just went to http://www.foxhome.com/ and typed in "Planet of the Apes" on the their search engine. > This is the information it gave me on the blu-ray features for each disc (took snap shots). > > http://www.potacollective.com/beneath1.jpg > > http://www.potacollective.com/beneath2.jpgIt gives the running time of BENEATH as 100 minutes. That's five minutes longer than the version we all know. > > > OMG!!! This is a longer version of BENEATH!!!! What else could be included? Maybe those scenes with Cornelius sorting the humans and Ursus, Zaius and the Minister talking politics, and the fat mutant doing whatever it was the fat mutant did that we didn't get to see! > > > OMG!!!! OMG!!!! > > > On the other hand, it's most probably just a typo. > > > -- Rory ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > <.html Group: pota Message: 49236 From: zasco1957 Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Political POTA .html Attachments : .html That is well said!  Very good points made.    Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: LordTZer0@... Date: 10/21/2008 6:20:49 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Political POTA   Good Point!   I have a feeling that soon now one will even be able to question Obama's point of view without being called a raciest. And since one of the founding principles of this country is the right to decent I believe it may have a chilling effect on free speech.  As Tommy Smothers said at the Emmys Freedom of Speech must also include Freedom to be Heard. What good is Freedom of Speech if everything you say is shouted down.      In a message dated 10/21/2008 12:42:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@yahoo. com writes: I hope that we can continue to spread positive aspects and not let it get drawn into becoming a slogan sound bite like poor Joe the Plumber. New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out!   <.html <.html Group: pota Message: 49237 From: luke_the_drifter52 Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features .html In Escape, when the President meets with the other staff members and informs them of the Apes landing, he mentions that the ship that landed on the coast was indeed Taylors ship. --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote: > > I'm more than certain that it's not a false memory. Yes, there was mention > of this in the Michael > > Avallone novelization, but I am sure I saw it. > > > > And how could our three chimp friends possibly have the know-how and the > technology to raise Taylor's ship off of the bottom of that lake, somehow > clean it out, repair it and launch it right in the nick of time? Besides, > this third ship is much smaller than Taylor's; it even had a side hatch > where Taylor's didn't. In addition to this, there has been several stills > from the deleted scenes on ESCAPE that clearly showed three seats sitting > side-by-side, whereas in Taylor's, there were four...two in front and two in > the back. > > > > Zach > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: m c > > Date: 10/18/2008 4:15:53 PM > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/18/08, zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> wrote: > > > > From: zasco1957 <Zasco1957@...> > > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 11:12 AM > > > > > > I noticed that too...and I'd be willing to bet that it also includes the > scene where the three mutants--Caspay, Adiposo (the Fat Man) and the Verger > of the cathedral--being gunned down via orders from General Ursus in front > of the ruined Radio City Music Hall marquee! > > > > > > *** I'm quite sure that Rory was just being sarcastic with his comments... > You did see that he ended it by saying it probably was just a typo didn't > you? > > > > In any case, this alleged scene that nobody else has ever mentioned, it's > not even in the script, never existed on film. It was not on the screen in > 1970, nor was it on any of the subsequent home video releases... So unless > APEMANIA took your false memory and decided to film a fake scene you'll > never see anything like the supposed gunning down... This scene no more > existed than the proposed "underwater scene" from BENEATH... Saying this > scene was real with nothing to back it up is about as productive as saying > that Ursus shot a protestor... *** > > > > > > And what about ESCAPE? This "Secret Behind ESCAPE" section the disc listed. > .is that where one could finally see the deleted scene about the third ship > taking off right before the AO Bomb exploded, Zira, Cornelius and Milo > witnessing the nuclear destruction of the planet, hitting the time warp and > landing back on Earth in 1973? > > > > > > *** You want to know the Secret Behind ESCAPE? The secret was they blew up > earth in BENEATH and they used Taylor's raised from the dead ship to > jettison back in time. There was no third ship, that's just total bullsh*t. > I'll go with James' way of thinking on this for sure by saying "If it was > meant to be a third ship, Dehn would have made it a 'third ship' in the > script". The script and the film clearly indicate that it was supposed to be > Taylor's ship from PLANET. > > > > The "secret" behind ESCAPE?The secret was the apes from the future came back > in time carrying the saviour for their kind. > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Haristas@... > > Date: 10/13/2008 9:52:43 PM > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features > > > > > > > > Just went to http://www.foxhome.com/ and typed in "Planet of the Apes" on > the their search engine. > > This is the information it gave me on the blu-ray features for each disc > (took snap shots). > > > > http://www.potacollective.com/beneath1.jpg > > > > http://www.potacollective.com/beneath2.jpg > > It gives the running time of BENEATH as 100 minutes. That's five minutes > longer than the version we all know. > > > > > > OMG!!! This is a longer version of BENEATH!!!! What else could be > included? Maybe those scenes with Cornelius sorting the humans and Ursus, > Zaius and the Minister talking politics, and the fat mutant doing whatever > it was the fat mutant did that we didn't get to see! > > > > > > OMG!!!! OMG!!!! > > > > > > On the other hand, it's most probably just a typo. > > > > > > -- Rory ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <.html Group: pota Message: 49238 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Political POTA .html I know James doesn't want us talking politics here, and has insulted Europeans by saying our Presidential elections bore them, which I believe the exact opposite is true, but I'm going to talk what I want to talk -- dammit all to hell! -- and I doubt any Europeans will find it boring. Remember a couple weeks ago I posted a bio of Michael Wilson (Planet's co-screenwriter), well, that reminded me of a book I ran across years ago in a bookstore but didn't buy because I thought it cost too much. Anyway, I looked on Amazon recently and found a used copy for $4.00. It's titled "Blacklisted: The Film Lover's Guide to the Hollywood Blacklist" by Paul Buhle and Dave Wagner. It lists nearly every movie made that had any contribution by anyone who was blacklisted back in 50s/60s and a commentary. I thought I'd copy out what it has to say about PLANET OF THE APES even if it is political, and with the recent mentions of the tasteless comparisons between POTA and blacks (anyone here remember Spike Lee's DO THE RIGHT THING?), I thought I'd remind everyone of the only thing controversially related to POTA that's black -- the blacklist! But before I get to PLANET, here's a paragraph from what the book has to say about another Wilson scripted film classic, THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI: "(David) Lean's work was highly praised by American left-wingers and did his best work on this film. More than a little credit for that went into the sharpness of Wilson's writing. As in the later Planet of the Apes, also based on a Boulle novel, Wilson managed to drain some of the worst colonial attitudes from the original; it had not eluded literary critics of the novel that the Japanese played much the same role as captors in the original narrative that the gorillas played in Planet. By the time Wilson was done with the screenplay, all traces of this sort of thing had been removed." OK, now to the entry on PLANET OF THE APES: "One of the most popular sci-fi films of all time, Planet is also a landmark film of the blacklist because screenwriter Wilson, perhaps the most talented Marxist in the history of screenwriting, recast the action film into a powerful satirical allegory of the blacklist itself. Three astronauts from the past arrive on earth, are captures by apes and become the center of a political struggle between ruling orangutans, whose government and religion are suspiciously similar to that of U.S. southern conservatives (right down to the coiffed hairdos and investigating committees), while the liberal chimpanzees are scientists who are on the verge of proving that ape creationism is a superstition and that humans might actually have possessed an early civilization. When this dispute erupts into a show trial for the astronaut Heston and the chimpanzees act as his defense attorneys, the deeper theme is revealed. The chief orangutan growls at the chimps: 'Let us warn our friends that they are endangering their own careers by defending this animal.' The chimps' exchange of shocked glances at this threat of blacklisting had a knowing glint, for the actress in the monkey suit was in reality Kim Hunter, who had been named in the red-baiting publication, Red Channels, and blacklisted for four years in the mid-1950s. Later, when Heston and the chimps come across one of the astronauts and discover that the orangs have lobotomized him, Heston shouts, 'You cut out his memory, you took his identity, and that's what you want to do to me!' This is Wilson's metaphor for what happened to the 'friendly witnesses' who cooperated with HUAC. The famous (and brilliant) final scene in the movie was written by Serling before Wilson made his contribution and contains an additional political warning, this one against nuclear war. There may have been no more devastating revenge in the fight against the blacklist than the image when Heston, stripped naked before his accusers, watches the orangutans of HUAC cover their eyes, ears and mouth in the ancient image of determined ignorance. Critics and the public did not get the joke in 1968, and so the film became Wilson's literary time capsule, buried deep in the imagery of popular culture, to be excavated in the twenty-first century. All of this was anticipated, eerily enough, by Bertold Brecht in 1947, when he emerged from his HUAC testimony and remarked to Joseph Losey that his experience was like 'a zoologist being cross-examined by apes.'" -- Rory <.html Group: pota Message: 49239 From: zasco1957 Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Up on Ebay .html Attachments : .html That's an awesome float.  Thanks.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: scott bosco Date: 10/23/08 11:59:52 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Up on Ebay   Here you go.... --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Jeff K. <veetus@earthlink. net> wrote: From: Jeff K. <veetus@earthlink. net> Subject: Re: [pota] Up on Ebay To: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 11:24 AM   I'd like to see a picture of the Macy's float.   ----- Original Message ----- From: digitalcinema To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:49 AM Subject: [pota] Up on Ebay Just thought some might like to see this.. http://cgi.ebay. com/PLANET- OF-THE-APES- MEGO-CORNELIUS- STORE-PROMO- COSTUME_W0QQitem Z320312679831QQc mdZViewItem? hash=item3203126 79831&_trksid= p3286.c0. m14&_trkparms= 72%3A1205% 7C66%3A2% 7C65%3A12% 7C39%3A1% 7C240%3A1318 Scott B.   <.html <.html Group: pota Message: 49240 From: zasco1957 Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Timeline Books advertised online .html Attachments : .html I would love to have a copy of this superb Timeline myself, I'd like to ask the same question as to where could I find one.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: Chris Sutton Date: 10/23/2008 6:27:41 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: handleyr@... Subject: [pota] Re:Timeline Books advertised online   Hello,   Where do I get a copy of the timeline and how much is it?   Thanks, Chris Sutton of the Fighting 501st   <.html <.html Group: pota Message: 49241 From: scott bosco Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Now I'm concerned... .html THE OMEN also has an isolated score.  The isolated score is mixed differently than the music on the film.  The OMEN music in the film leans to the right front channel, with very little tha that is noticable in the surrounds. The isolated score is more evenly spread and sound normal.  I can only hope all this is different for the APES films. - Scott B.  --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Now I'm concerned... To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 11:33 AM Okay that sound real nice but FOX has F*%KED the consumer! They took the simple fake stereo they used on the older standard DVD release from about 4 - 5 years ago and dumped it on Blu-ray! To them re- mastered audio on these titles were simple putting them through an equalizer to extend and or lessen any hiss. This is real re-mixed audio like the BOND films. I'm not surprised by this.  The only thing that's better about some of these Blu-ray is that he PCM audio isn't compressed as it is on standard DVD. I do have to wonder though... if Fox is going to give us isolated scores for all the APES sequels in 5.1, are they only going to give us "fake" stereo when these scores are on CD in true stereo?!! I find that hard to believe. As far as the packaging goes... well, we know what we think of the graphics. -- Rory <.html Group: pota Message: 49242 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: anyone been here yet??? .html The Hollywood Museum, whose collection in the historic Max Factor Building on Highland Ave. in Hollywood includes more than 10,000 show business treasures -- including Rocky's boxing gloves, Marilyn Monroe's dresses and Indiana Jones' whip, to name just a few. Other items on display throughout the year include the camera used to shoot "Gone With the Wind," exhibits focusing on such films as "Star Wars," "Planet of the Apes" and "Jurassic Park," and costumes worn by the cast of "Gladiator." There also are classic collections of movie star portraits by such legendary Hollywood photographers as George Hurrell, Clarence Bull, Robert Richie and Laszlo Willinger. <.html Group: pota Message: 49243 From: m c Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features .html --- On Sun, 10/26/08, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote: From: rassmguy <handleyr@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 1:55 PM Maybe the ship IS a zebra. That would explain everything. *** The whole "third ship" theory isn't a zebra, it's an ass... An ass who's existence isn't even defended/justified. *** <.html Group: pota Message: 49244 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" .html .html Thanks for that update, James. I just finished my site last night. I would have updated it with Linda's appearance at the L.A. screening but because it's already this Sunday (tomorrow), it would make very little impact on my part. Would have been nice to be there. Hopefully some here goes and provides us with photographs of the event.   Al  From: James <JamesA1102@...> To: pota@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:12:57 AM Subject: [pota] FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" FYI   Google News Alert for: "planet of the apes" Jules Verne Fest Salutes Galactica, Planet of the Apes Wired News - USA A 40th anniversary screening of Planet of the Apes, introduced by Linda Harrison, will be Sunday's festival highlight. The ape-o-licious actress played Nova ... See all stories on this topic   <.html <.html Group: pota Message: 49245 From: rassmguy Date: 10/26/2008 Subject: Thanks for the homepage image. :) .html That gave me quite a chuckle. <.html Copyright © 2026, Hunter Goatley. All rights reserved. Last updated 2026-03-31 10:43.