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Group: pota Message: 49446 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49447 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49448 From: Rich Handley Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Blu-Ray
Group: pota Message: 49449 From: rassmguy Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49450 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Blu-ray PLANET review
Group: pota Message: 49451 From: aboro3085 Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
Group: pota Message: 49452 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49453 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Exclusive Blu-ray footage!!
Group: pota Message: 49454 From: James Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
Group: pota Message: 49455 From: James Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Fox Movie Channel Sweepstakes
Group: pota Message: 49456 From: James Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
Group: pota Message: 49457 From: m c Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
Group: pota Message: 49458 From: James Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
Group: pota Message: 49459 From: scott bosco Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49460 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: pota Message: 49461 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Planet of the Apes (2001), 11/1/2008, 6:30 pm
Group: pota Message: 49462 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: The third ship...
Group: pota Message: 49463 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Beneath's days (Was: Blu-ray Disc Features)
Group: pota Message: 49464 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
Group: pota Message: 49465 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Yow! Blu Ray Apes
Group: pota Message: 49466 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49467 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49468 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET review
Group: pota Message: 49469 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49470 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49471 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET review
Group: pota Message: 49472 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Hi
Group: pota Message: 49473 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49474 From: Luiz Saulo Adami Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Hi
Group: pota Message: 49475 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49476 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49477 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Hi
Group: pota Message: 49478 From: angelofmusic2112 Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49479 From: kalel_x20 Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Terrible news!
Group: pota Message: 49480 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49481 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible news!
Group: pota Message: 49482 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49483 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Comic Book Marketplace #68
Group: pota Message: 49484 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49485 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Tomart's Action Figure Digest #60- Mego issue on eBay
Group: pota Message: 49486 From: drhasslein Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49487 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49488 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible news!
Group: pota Message: 49489 From: mcwilliamstodd Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: New Kid on the Block....
Group: pota Message: 49490 From: rassmguy Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49491 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Audio Problem(s) with BENEATH
Group: pota Message: 49492 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: (OT) Robot Chicken 2001
Group: pota Message: 49493 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
Group: pota Message: 49494 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: BENEATH scenes
Group: pota Message: 49495 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Conquest director's cut review, sort of.
Group: pota Message: 49496 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
Group: pota Message: 49497 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
Group: pota Message: 49498 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
Group: pota Message: 49499 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: UPDATE: Audio Problem(s) with BENEATH
Group: pota Message: 49500 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: (OT) Robot Chicken 2001
Group: pota Message: 49501 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
Group: pota Message: 49502 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
Group: pota Message: 49503 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: POTA on Simpsons
Group: pota Message: 49504 From: ~~Joanne~~ Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49505 From: Dario Sciola Date: 11/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible news!
Group: pota Message: 49506 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49507 From: Joey OBrien Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible news!
Group: pota Message: 49508 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49509 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49510 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Forrest Ackerman BIO
Group: pota Message: 49511 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49512 From: jessica rotich Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
Group: pota Message: 49513 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: FMC promo
Group: pota Message: 49514 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49515 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49516 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: (OT) Robot Chicken 2001
Group: pota Message: 49517 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: (OT) Robot Chicken 2001
Group: pota Message: 49518 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
Group: pota Message: 49519 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: New Kid on the Block....
Group: pota Message: 49520 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
Group: pota Message: 49521 From: Ed Woods Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49522 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
Group: pota Message: 49523 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49524 From: Todd Mcwilliams Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible news!
Group: pota Message: 49525 From: Todd Mcwilliams Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: New Kid on the Block....
Group: pota Message: 49526 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49527 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: blu-ray
Group: pota Message: 49528 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49529 From: drhasslein Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49530 From: gp3085 Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
Group: pota Message: 49531 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49532 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
Group: pota Message: 49533 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49534 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
Group: pota Message: 49535 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Genesis: Apes
Group: pota Message: 49536 From: drhasslein Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
Group: pota Message: 49537 From: knightangel314 Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: POTA on Simpsons
Group: pota Message: 49538 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Amazon confirms
Group: pota Message: 49539 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Amazon confirms
Group: pota Message: 49540 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Attack of the Show
Group: pota Message: 49541 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: (OT) Blu-ray DVD player
Group: pota Message: 49542 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Amazon confirms
Group: pota Message: 49543 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: Re: Attack of the Show
Group: pota Message: 49544 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/3/2008
Subject: digitalbits review in the morn
Group: pota Message: 49545 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/4/2008
Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy



Group: pota Message: 49446 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: "Genesis: Apes"
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Group: pota Message: 49447 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
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If there is a Blu-ray commercial, my guess is it'll be aired on the FOX Channel during Sunday's lineup of The Simpsons and other toon shows that night.
Also perhaps on Monday during Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles on Fox. Of course there will be other channels and programs but those will be the most obvious overall. If there is any blu-ray commercial.
 
Al


From: "goapebilly@..." <goapebilly@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:43:22 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray

of course they arent another brillant marketing move by fox.just shows they dont care at all about apes and there marketing dept is clueless.but they'll whine sales were bad ,because they spit out same old stuff ,just in new packaging and wonder why it doesn't sell humm?can it be fox are idiots!!why would a handful of soceer moms and grandmothers want a set?i guess so they can run home and put it up on fee-bay . it would of been 1000% better to put something on g4 hellloooo fox target, audience willing to spend money.  goapebilly
 
In a message dated 10/31/2008 1:33:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@aol. com writes:

I wouldn't think Rachel Ray's audience is the right target group.

For those who have the G4 network, Attack of the Show is doing something on Monday.


--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> An audience member in ape makeup and blu-ray sets for the entire audience?
> Sounds to me like a FOX promotional gig.
>
> I guess it's cheaper than making a Blu-ray Commercial. lol :o) 
>
> Al
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: drhasslein drhasslein@. ..
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:06:21 AM
> Subject: [pota] Rachel Ray
>
>
> I haven't seen it yet because I am on the West Coast, but today's
> Rachel Ray featured an audience member in ape makeup and she gave the
> blu-ray set to the entire audience.
>





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Group: pota Message: 49448 From: Rich Handley Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Blu-Ray
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.html Hi, folks,

Since I don't have a Blu-Ray player, I won't be picking up the box-set next week.  However, I'm very curious about the ANSA Public Service Announcement.  Whoever gets the set, I'd be grateful if you could please contact me at my e-mail address, handleyr@..., as I'm hoping to be able to find out what that's all about--and what has been changed in Conquest, of course--for my book, which I'll be putting the finishing touches on this weekend.  (I figure people won't want to be spoiled on the group, which is why I'm asking folks to e-mail me privately.)  Thanks in advance!

Sincerely,
Rich Handley
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Group: pota Message: 49449 From: rassmguy Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
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You beat me to it--I was just about to post this. :)


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
http://chud.com/articles/articles/16881/1/IS-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-GETTING-REBOOTED-AGAIN/Page1.html"
>
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Group: pota Message: 49450 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Blu-ray PLANET review
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Unless someone else has beat me to it, here's the first review of the PLANET Blu-ray -- and just PLANET.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews42/planet_of_the_apes_blu-ray.htm

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 49451 From: aboro3085 Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
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*** Whatever your thoughts or my thoughts are on the Broken Seas
audio are not at issue here... You've stated in previous posts that
to change or reinterpret things in a script that are obviously not
meant to be destroys the integrity of the original works, and that
nobody has the right to alter existing works to suit their own
ideas... I agreed with you on that on the most part...

All I'm getting at is that what ANSANAUT is doing is wrong and the
Broken Seas audio with it's changes "could be" seen as the same
thing: Tampering with someone else's work(s). You or I have no idea
of what Wilson or Serling had in mind when they wrote PLANET, but
what we seen on screen had nothing to do with Chris Shields rewrite
or Bill's adaption... There was nota hint of Milo, Mutants, ESCAPE,
etc. etc. in the PLANET script and more than likely neither Serling
or Wilson had any of that type of thing in mind when penning
PLANET... So whether we agree to adding backstories or whatever has
no bearing (and yes, I do think that fleshing a story out "can"
work!)... It's still tampering with another's work, that's all I'm
getting at and that's the way your post(s) read to me....






--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Mike let's be honest. I've gone on record here and elsewhere as
hating
> BrokenSea's adaptation. Now you are going out of your way to make
this
> an issue by drawing a false equivalency between BrokenSea doing an
Audio
> adaptation of the material into a different medium, which by it's
nature
> requires a certain amount of changes to work in that medium, and
> Ansanaut's rewriting of the Serling's & Wilson's script posted on
his
> site.That's the difference, reworking something to in order to
present it in a different medium vs. just rewriting because you think
you can do a better job than the original screenwriters.
>
>
> BrokenSea added some material based on what was later presented as
part
> of the backstory in the sequels but as Bill stated, 95% of the
Planet
> script remained in tact. In Cornelius' Journal and other works of
fan
> fiction the same thing was done. Certain elements, such as the
backstory
> of Milo finding and repairing Taylor's ship, were presented
concurrent
> with events that took place on screen. However, in no way was the
> content of what was presented on screen changed other than to fit it
> into a different medium. That's the difference, adding in some of
the backstory as opposed to changing the main story.
>
> Ansanaut is not adapting the script to another medium. If he were
doing
> a novelization of the script that would be different. But he is not
> doing that. Or maybe it would be different if he were just adding
scenes
> to conform with the backstory from the later films. (I.E. Inserting
a
> scene after Taylor is captured where Cornelius meets with Milo and
tells
> him Taylor's story.) But that is not what he is doing. He is
changing
> whole swaths of existing dialogue and mostly doing so to conform to
his
> own pet theories. Several people have brought up Patrick Tilton's
> mega-novel. While Patrick may have changed the meaning of some of
the
> dialogue as in what some characters are refering to when they say
> 'Earth'; at least Patrick respects canon enough to have not changed
the
> original dialogue to have them say 'Mothership' instead. That's
what is
> the difference, having a different interpetation of the dialogue
vs. actually changing the dialogue.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> >
> > *** Right now, I'm not saying anything pro or con about the
BrokenSeas
> audio story... What I'm asking is where do you differentiate between
> what is an "adaption" and what is a "rewrite"...
> >
> > By Bill's own post he said when he wrote his script, his
additional
> things were what he thought might have been happening while the
film was
> occuring, how exactly does that differ from what ANSANAUT will be
doing?
> He is going to be taking the existing material and adding his "third
> ship" type ideas to the script... It's obvious from my posts
regarding
> the whole "third ship" thing that I do not agree with what Chris
will be
> doing to PLANET, but from the way I took what you posted last
night, he
> will be rewriting the PLANET script to fit his ideas on the ships
(and
> possibly Taylor and Brent's missions?), not rewriting the entire
> story...
> >
> > How do you say one is okay and one isn't when both alter PLANET
for
> their author's reasons... Bill altered it by adding some "backstory"
> type material... Shields will be altering it to make it fit his
theories
> on the ships and the mission... What is the difference? I really
don't
> get where you're coming from? ***
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, James JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> > From: James JamesA1102@
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Rewriting a classic
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 5:10 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No Ansanaut is not adapting it into written word. He is taking the
> existing shooting script and rewriting it. Now it is obvious that
you
> don't like BrokenSea's adaptation, which is your right, but what
they
> are doing it not the same thing.
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c aboro3085@ wrote:
> > >
> > > *** How is it different though? BrokenSeas adapted it into
audio,
> Ansanaut is adapting it into the written word... They're both
different
> forms of media, and by Bill's own admission, he took a lot of
liberties
> and no doubt ANSANAUT will too... "Liberties" or as you call it,
> "rewriting the film script in order to fit in his own pet theories",
> both guys tampered with the source material to have it include
things
> they wanted to see... Both changed/will change things to have it
include
> things they wanted to see in the film's story: Can you tell me what
the
> difference is? ***
> > >
> >
>
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Group: pota Message: 49452 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
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http://chud. com/articles/ articles/ 16881/1/IS- PLANET-OF- THE-APES- GETTING-REBOOTED -AGAIN/Page1..html"
To be, or not to be? That is the question.

-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 49453 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Exclusive Blu-ray footage!!
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Exclusive POTA Blu-ray footage.
Now I'm really getting pumped! 6 days and counting :o)
Enjoy!
Al
Sounds like it's James Brolin narrating that thing.

-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 49454 From: James Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
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Sorry Mike but you are trying to play a childish gothca game and doing so by dishonestly putting words in my mouth. What BrokenSea and Ansanaut are doing are two different things. They are as different as someone making changes to the actual Mona Lisa vs. someone doing a photo essay on the Mona Lisa. You may be too myopic to see that but I am not.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** Whatever your thoughts or my thoughts are on the Broken Seas
> audio are not at issue here... You've stated in previous posts that
> to change or reinterpret things in a script that are obviously not
> meant to be destroys the integrity of the original works, and that
> nobody has the right to alter existing works to suit their own
> ideas... I agreed with you on that on the most part...
>
> All I'm getting at is that what ANSANAUT is doing is wrong and the
> Broken Seas audio with it's changes "could be" seen as the same
> thing: Tampering with someone else's work(s). You or I have no idea
> of what Wilson or Serling had in mind when they wrote PLANET, but
> what we seen on screen had nothing to do with Chris Shields rewrite
> or Bill's adaption... There was nota hint of Milo, Mutants, ESCAPE,
> etc. etc. in the PLANET script and more than likely neither Serling
> or Wilson had any of that type of thing in mind when penning
> PLANET... So whether we agree to adding backstories or whatever has
> no bearing (and yes, I do think that fleshing a story out "can"
> work!)... It's still tampering with another's work, that's all I'm
> getting at and that's the way your post(s) read to me....
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: pota Message: 49455 From: James Date: 10/31/2008
Subject: Fox Movie Channel Sweepstakes
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Check out the Fox Movie Channel site: http://www.foxmoviechannel.com/sweepstakes.asp. The Prize for this month's sweepstakes is for a Blu-Ray player and the POTA Blu-Ray set.

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Group: pota Message: 49456 From: James Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
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I just want everyone else to know that Mike and I are old friends who like & respect each other. Because we are friends we feel free to openly disagree with one another. Mike is a great POTA fan and respects me enough to say exactly what he feels right to my face and vice-versa. So please don't be put off by our disagreement on this topic.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Sorry Mike but you are trying to play a childish gothca game and doing
> so by dishonestly putting words in my mouth. What BrokenSea and Ansanaut
> are doing are two different things. They are as different as someone
> making changes to the actual Mona Lisa vs. someone doing a photo essay
> on the Mona Lisa. You may be too myopic to see that but I am not.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" aboro3085@ wrote:
> >
> > *** Whatever your thoughts or my thoughts are on the Broken Seas
> > audio are not at issue here... You've stated in previous posts that
> > to change or reinterpret things in a script that are obviously not
> > meant to be destroys the integrity of the original works, and that
> > nobody has the right to alter existing works to suit their own
> > ideas... I agreed with you on that on the most part...
> >
> > All I'm getting at is that what ANSANAUT is doing is wrong and the
> > Broken Seas audio with it's changes "could be" seen as the same
> > thing: Tampering with someone else's work(s). You or I have no idea
> > of what Wilson or Serling had in mind when they wrote PLANET, but
> > what we seen on screen had nothing to do with Chris Shields rewrite
> > or Bill's adaption... There was nota hint of Milo, Mutants, ESCAPE,
> > etc. etc. in the PLANET script and more than likely neither Serling
> > or Wilson had any of that type of thing in mind when penning
> > PLANET... So whether we agree to adding backstories or whatever has
> > no bearing (and yes, I do think that fleshing a story out "can"
> > work!)... It's still tampering with another's work, that's all I'm
> > getting at and that's the way your post(s) read to me....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Group: pota Message: 49457 From: m c Date: 11/1/2008
Subject: Re: Rewriting a classic
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*** So because I misread your posts I'm subject to personal attacks? Face it, you're calling me (or anyone who misunderstands your POV) dishonest because I mentioned what you said in a previous post and what I thought you meant by it. There was no puttuing words in your mouth, they were posted and I took them one way and you said you meant another... Saying you meant them one way is fine, but there's no need to claim dishonesty on my part...
 
There is no "gotcha" sh*t going on, except maybe on your part... Someone says something about a female orangutan and you play the "gotcha" game by saying: "Can't be, the script says it's a male"...
 
And what about the posting guidelines, which as a moderator, you should be following...
 
Please be courteous and respectful of other members. While discussion and differences of opinion are natural, please keep all such discussions friendly without name-calling or attacking someone for holding a different opinion.
 
Accusing someone of "playing games" because they misinterpreted the written word(s), calling them dishonest because they attributed words you said to you in the context in which they took them to be, and calling them blind (i.e. "stupid") because they don't agree with you seems to violate everything that "posting guideline" states... Or am I being blind because it might say something else, even though I'm reading it as clearly saying such...
 
I have no problem with someone saying these things to me "if" they're not the same ones doling out all these "Let's be courteous" , "no personal attacks" etc...  If you're moderating the board to make sure that everyone lives up to the standards of the Guidelines, then I sure think that you should be living up to your own ideas of what makes a good group...
 
I'll post again when I do a pet project... As long as someone is a member of this board their works aren't up to questioning of "why" or "how did you come to that theory"... If they're somewhere else, (a websight for instance) then it's okay to say "What is that about", bit as long as they're here then it's all "It may not be everyone's cup of tea" etc...

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
Subject: [pota] Re: Rewriting a classic
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 11:35 PM

Sorry Mike but you are trying to play a childish gothca game and doing so by dishonestly putting words in my mouth. What BrokenSea and Ansanaut are doing are two different things. They are as different as someone making changes to the actual Mona Lisa vs. someone doing a photo essay on the Mona Lisa. You may be too myopic to see that but I am not.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** Whatever your thoughts or my thoughts are on the Broken Seas
> audio are not at issue here... You've stated in previous posts that
> to change or reinterpret things in a script that are obviously not
> meant to be destroys the integrity of the original works, and that
> nobody has the right to alter existing works to suit their own
> ideas... I agreed with you on that on the most part...
>
> All I'm getting at is that what ANSANAUT is doing is wrong and the
> Broken Seas audio with it's changes "could be" seen as the same
> thing: Tampering with someone else's work(s). You or I have no idea
> of what Wilson or Serling had in mind when they wrote PLANET, but
> what we seen on screen had nothing to do with Chris Shields rewrite
> or Bill's adaption... There was nota hint of Milo, Mutants, ESCAPE,
> etc. etc. in the PLANET script and more than likely neither Serling
> or Wilson had any of that type of thing in mind when penning
> PLANET... So whether we agree to adding backstories or whatever has
> no bearing (and yes, I do think that fleshing a story out "can"
> work!)... It's still tampering with another's work, that's all I'm
> getting at and that's the way your post(s) read to me....
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: pota Message: 49458 From: James Date: 11/1/2008
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Well for anything that came across as a personal attack I apologize for.

But I had stated 3 previous times why I thought what BrokenSea and Ansanaut did were two very different things, yet you refused to accept it every time. And I'll remind you that you are the one who brought BrokenSea into this discussion, not I. You asked the question if my earlier comments about Ansanaut's script revisions also applied to BrokenSea's Audio adaptation. I answered your question and gave my reasons why. So when you continued to pursue the issue it seemed like you were playing gotcha and trying to get me to dis BrokenSea's efforts.

Also, I never said it was inappropriate for Ansanaut to insert elements of the later film' backstory into the script. In fact I said exactly the opposite in this post: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/49425. So in your last post it seemed that you were attributing statements to me that I never made.

And if you wish to bring up the female Orangutan yet again, I never thought it was a female from my first viewing of Conquest back in 1972. I never heard it refered to as a female until someone said it here. When that happened I checked the script and the script refers to it as a male Orangutan not female. It is not playing gotcha to point that out or ask if anyone has any evidence that it is a female.

And again I apologize for anything I said that was too harsh or came across as a personal attack. I should learn never to post late at night after I've had a few drinks. :-)


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** So because I misread your posts I'm subject to personal attacks? Face it, you're calling me (or anyone who misunderstands your POV) dishonest because I mentioned what you said in a previous post and what I thought you meant by it. There was no puttuing words in your mouth, they were posted and I took them one way and you said you meant another... Saying you meant them one way is fine, but there's no need to claim dishonesty on my part...
>  
> There is no "gotcha" sh*t going on, except maybe on your part... Someone says something about a female orangutan and you play the "gotcha" game by saying: "Can't be, the script says it's a male"...
>  
> And what about the posting guidelines, which as a moderator, you should be following...
>  
> Please be courteous and respectful of other members. While discussion and differences of opinion are natural, please keep all such discussions friendly without name-calling or attacking someone for holding a different opinion.
>  
> Accusing someone of "playing games" because they misinterpreted the written word(s), calling them dishonest because they attributed words you said to you in the context in which they took them to be, and calling them blind (i.e. "stupid") because they don't agree with you seems to violate everything that "posting guideline" states... Or am I being blind because it might say something else, even though I'm reading it as clearly saying such...
>  
> I have no problem with someone saying these things to me "if" they're not the same ones doling out all these "Let's be courteous" , "no personal attacks" etc...  If you're moderating the board to make sure that everyone lives up to the standards of the Guidelines, then I sure think that you should be living up to your own ideas of what makes a good group...
>  
> I'll post again when I do a pet project... As long as someone is a member of this board their works aren't up to questioning of "why" or "how did you come to that theory"... If they're somewhere else, (a websight for instance) then it's okay to say "What is that about", bit as long as they're here then it's all "It may not be everyone's cup of tea" etc...
>
> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, James JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> From: James JamesA1102@...
> Subject: [pota] Re: Rewriting a classic
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 11:35 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry Mike but you are trying to play a childish gothca game and doing so by dishonestly putting words in my mouth. What BrokenSea and Ansanaut are doing are two different things. They are as different as someone making changes to the actual Mona Lisa vs. someone doing a photo essay on the Mona Lisa. You may be too myopic to see that but I am not.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" aboro3085@ wrote:
> >
> > *** Whatever your thoughts or my thoughts are on the Broken Seas
> > audio are not at issue here... You've stated in previous posts that
> > to change or reinterpret things in a script that are obviously not
> > meant to be destroys the integrity of the original works, and that
> > nobody has the right to alter existing works to suit their own
> > ideas... I agreed with you on that on the most part...
> >
> > All I'm getting at is that what ANSANAUT is doing is wrong and the
> > Broken Seas audio with it's changes "could be" seen as the same
> > thing: Tampering with someone else's work(s). You or I have no idea
> > of what Wilson or Serling had in mind when they wrote PLANET, but
> > what we seen on screen had nothing to do with Chris Shields rewrite
> > or Bill's adaption... There was nota hint of Milo, Mutants, ESCAPE,
> > etc. etc. in the PLANET script and more than likely neither Serling
> > or Wilson had any of that type of thing in mind when penning
> > PLANET... So whether we agree to adding backstories or whatever has
> > no bearing (and yes, I do think that fleshing a story out "can"
> > work!)... It's still tampering with another's work, that's all I'm
> > getting at and that's the way your post(s) read to me....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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This is a stupid concept.  Okay so Caesar is genetically different - the all the rest of the ape aren't.  So how could this lead to PLANET.  Once again a re-write by another hack who doesn't THINK out the story, and subtracts ingredients needed to allow the story to flow.
Just like the dumb re-make of DAWN OF THE DEAD.  By making it a disease and affecting only those who catch it - then there is no real reason to leave the Mall since they are safe even if one of them dies naturally.  The dead outside will rot and numbers will lessen - not to mention no motorcycle gang broke in to mess anything up.  The original was simple and worked.  The remake in trying to be different mess up the natural flow and simplicity of the story.
Same her with this stupid GENESIS: APES.  It falls apart before it begins.  Typical of Hollywood today.  What surprises me more is that the folks at FOX are so dumb I'm surprised it wasn't made already.
Oh, BTW - for those of us who were scratching out heads over the whole RACHEL RAY audience thing... I found out that FOX has a publicity agency who dreamed it up.  seem one person there got together with someone at FOX and somehow brainstormed and felt "WOW, let us the Rachel Ray show to promo and target the new Bluray release to women!  Everyone knows that women who cook love the apes!  Yeah, right, it like a natural!
Well it turns out that what was seen given to the audience was only a mock-up of the Blu set.  The real ones will be sent to them later.  ....Yeah, I'm sure many of them are just waiting with baited breath for their mail to arrive.  What a waste.  Oh, seems one of the same person who brainstormed the Rachel idea also knows one of the Apemania people too (Zaius) which is why they got on the covers.  It always amazes me how much shit can fit in a bowl.
By the way for those of you not familiar with Blurays and FOX.  It seems that Fox has an annoying and disgusting habit of producing Bluray box sets that are cheaply made.  The discs don't don't fit into plastic hubs like in standard DVD sets.  Instead there's only a round rubber/sponge thingy that is glued onto the cardboard.  When you press the disc onto it it fills the center hole of the disc and expands to hold it.  Nice in theory but I've already gotten a BOND release where the rubber sponge thing had come off the cardboard on one and the other it arrived ripped in half - also, without the plastic insert as with standard DVDs the cardboard is really flimsy and cheap.  This is pretty rotten considering we're paying close to $100!  For longevity reasons as collector's it might be better to purchase the stand along editions to use since they are sturdy and made of plastic.
- Scott  B.

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:
From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
Subject: [pota] Re: "Genesis: Apes"
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:08 PM

You beat me to it--I was just about to post this. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:
>
http://chud. com/articles/ articles/ 16881/1/IS- PLANET-OF- THE-APES- GETTING-REBOOTED -AGAIN/Page1..html"
>


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    Hey, I like all of my fellow Apesters. 
     
    As I've said before--and again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions--that I believe what Chris Shields said.
     
    The "direct questions"...well, I tried to send you to his site because he could answer them a little better than I could. 
     
    But yes, there will never be any "extra footage" on BENEATH regarding the "restoration" of Taylor's ship; one thing that I do agree with is that at the time of the release there wasn't another movie in mind...until months later when Paul Dehn received that telegram from Arthur Jacobs:  "Apes exist, sequel required". 
     
    I do appreciate your feedback on my thoughts, that's why we're here.  I just thought that what I'd read on the Ansanaut site was logical, that's all.
     
    Zach 
     
    -------Original Message-------
     
    From: m c
    Date: 10/26/2008 11:45:21 PM
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Beneath's days (Was: Blu-ray Disc Features)
     



    --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:
    From: Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com>
    Subject: [pota] Re: Beneath's days (Was: Blu-ray Disc Features)
    To: pota@yahoogroups. com
    Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 7:56 PM


    *** Is that because it would takes months and months (if not years) for Milo to repair Brent's burned out/destroyed ship (as the post you supported indicate)? Or was he searching for the mysterious third ship of the POTA in the months believed to exist in BENEATH? ***
    Once Milo got Taylor's ship dried out he found that the batteries still worked, there was enough fuel and an instruction manual on how to take off.  Piece of cake.  It's called "suspension of disbelief."  Just go with it.
     
    *** Hey, I'm with you on this... Mr. Zasco is the one with all the crazy ideas and I asked my smart-a*s questions in reference to those non-sensical "third ship" and/or "they repaired Brent's ship" ideas he keeps bringing up and when asked direct questions he has no answer for... I'd like a well written rebuttle to me, but I know I'll never get one... I'm sure unless I'd write a post saying how I seen BENEATH one time with a lot of extra footage, including scenes of Brent's ship being made flight worthy, I'll never get any sort of answers to my questions... Maybe if one of you guys who he likes asks him we'd get an answer... ***
     




     
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    Subject: Planet of the Apes (2001), 11/1/2008, 6:30 pm
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    Group: pota Message: 49462 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/1/2008
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      Okay...like I said, everyone has their own opinion.  You also have made valid points as well, James.
       
      Again, thanks for your feedback.
       
      Zach 
       
      -------Original Message-------
       
      From: James
      Date: 10/27/2008 9:14:48 AM
      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [pota] Re: The third ship...
       

      I've read the theory on Ansanaut's site. I'm not saying he doesn't make a logical and well thought out argument. It is still revisionism and at total odds at what is presented in the films. It's like making an argument that a female rabbit is male. No matter how logic and rational and intelligent your argument is; that rabbit is still not going to grow a penis.

      --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@.. .> wrote:

      >
      > Dr. Hasslein, James, and M.C., please let me send you this feature on the
      > third ship, courtesy the ANSANAUT site.
      >
      >
      >
      > Zach
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > www.goingfaster. com
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > -------Original Message----- --
      >
      >
      >
      > From: drhasslein
      >
      > Date: 10/19/2008 4:03:44 PM
      >
      > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
      >
      > Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
      >
      >
      >
      > The President (William Windom) identifies the ship as being Taylor's.
      >
      > So no third ship, (he even says there were two lost)no Brent's ship.
      >
      > The fact that that debate still exists amazes me. How resurrected is a
      >
      > different story, but there is no question as to who's ship it was.
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Mark" rkid67@ wrote:
      >
      > >
      >
      > > "Apes exist, sequel required" is how they resurrected the ship, so
      >
      > any theory is valid.
      >
      > >
      >

       
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      Group: pota Message: 49463 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/1/2008
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        You know, James, you're right...I did overlook that fact.  My bad again. So there were only a few days in BENEATH after all. 
         
        Please accept my apologizes. 
         
        Zach 
         
         
        -------Original Message-------
         
        From: James
        Date: 10/28/2008 11:15:26 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [pota] Re: Beneath's days (Was: Blu-ray Disc Features)
         

        --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@.. .> wrote:

        >
        > That is true...but what about Zira and Cornelius getting married, the trial
        > Dr. Zaius mentioned at the close of PLANET, Taylor disappearing in the
        > illusion, being questioned by the mutant council, and other events...I just
        > find it somewhat hard to believe that all of that only took place in a few
        > days.
        >

        You're forgetting one thing. At the end of Planet Taylor requests and is give food & water enough for him & Nova to survive for a week. Thus, Taylor & Nova couldn't have been wandering around the Forbidden Zone for more than a few days. The horse wouldn't have survived longer than a few days without food & water. When Brent encounters Nova she shows no signs of dehydration or starvation; so it couldn't be any longer than a few days after the end of Planet.

        As far as the other points you brought up, one possible explaination was for them was presented in Cornelius' Journal: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ files/CJ. htmhttp://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ files/CJ. htm

        >
        >
        > And, what about Milo finding the third ship? Certainly that would have
        > taken place over the course of at least a few months. It would have taken
        > time for him to have studied it and "half understood it" (Cornelius mentions
        > this to the council in ESCAPE).
        >
        >
        >
        > Zach
        >
        Again there was no third ship. That is just revisionism. And again one possible scenario as to how Milo found and repaired Taylor's ship is presented in Cornelius' Journal: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ files/CJ. htm 

         
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        Group: pota Message: 49464 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/1/2008
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          What I think is that Ansanaut is just trying to add today's technology and terminology into the script.
           
          Zach    
           
          -------Original Message-------
           
          From: James
          Date: 10/30/2008 5:11:01 PM
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [pota] Re: Rewriting a classic
           

          No Ansanaut is not adapting it into written word. He is taking the existing shooting script and rewriting it. Now it is obvious that you don't like BrokenSea's adaptation, which is your right, but what they are doing it not the same thing.

          --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, m c <aboro3085@.. .> wrote:

          >
          > *** How is it different though? BrokenSeas adapted it into audio, Ansanaut is adapting it into the written word... They're both different forms of media, and by Bill's own admission, he took a lot of liberties and no doubt ANSANAUT will too... "Liberties" or as you call it, "rewriting the film script in order to fit in his own pet theories", both guys tampered with the source material to have it include things they wanted to see... Both changed/will change things to have it include things they wanted to see in the film's story: Can you tell me what the difference is? ***
          >

           
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          Group: pota Message: 49465 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
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          Nah. I like Deep Discount. It'll probably be at my house on the 4th!


          --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

          > From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
          > Subject: Re: [pota] Yow! Blu Ray Apes
          > To: "kalel_x20" <kalel_x20@...>
          > Cc: pota@yahoogroups.com
          > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:30 PM
          > > If you go to Deep Discount DVD, Blu Ray Apes is only
          > 104$ I already
          > > preordered mine!
          >
          > You may want to cancel it, as it's only $91.something
          > at
          > Amazon.com....
          >
          > Hunter
          >
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          Group: pota Message: 49466 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
          Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
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          Even now, 40 years later that makeup is still amazing.


          --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

          > From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
          > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
          > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:31 PM
          > and here he is getting made up.....!
          > complete with Goldsmith score!
          >
          > http://www.rachaelrayshow.com/show/segments/view/monkeying-around-colby/
          >
          >
          > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, drhasslein
          > <drhasslein@...> wrote:
          >
          > > From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
          > > Subject: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
          > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          > > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:08 PM
          > > Actually, apemania was there, and it was Coby from
          > Survivor
          > > they put
          > > in makeup, not an audience member... Maybe the
          > audience
          > > will put the
          > > sets on ebay really cheap!
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, goapebilly@... wrote:
          > > >
          > > > good luck trying to watch show,i find i cant
          > watch
          > > even for a
          > > minute,w/out
          > > > running head into wall to stop the pain.but from
          > what
          > > i could
          > > stomach they
          > > > werent really on show at all.thats smart give
          > free
          > > blue ray to
          > > middle age house
          > > > wives who couldn't give a damn about or
          > appreciate
          > > them. goapebilly
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > In a message dated 10/31/2008 11:44:43 A.M.
          > Eastern
          > > Daylight Time,
          > > > drhasslein@... writes:
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I haven't seen it yet because I am on the
          > West
          > > Coast, but today's
          > > > Rachel Ray featured an audience member in ape
          > makeup
          > > and she gave
          > > the
          > > > blu-ray set to the entire audience.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL
          > Travel.
          > > Check out
          > > Today's Hot
          > > > 5 Travel Deals!
          > > >
          > >
          > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?
          > >
          > redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001)
          > > >
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          >
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          Group: pota Message: 49467 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
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          I'll be honest. I hope the writer of the article is right and Genesis does sit on a shelf somewhere forever. If they really want to do something, why not adapt Planet of the Apes, as Boulle wrote it?


          --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

          > From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
          > Subject: [pota] "Genesis: Apes"
          > To: "POTA" <pota@yahoogroups.com>, "POTA DG" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
          > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 6:31 PM
          > http://chud.com/articles/articles/16881/1/IS-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-GETTING-REBOOTED-AGAIN/Page1.html"
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          Group: pota Message: 49468 From: Clark Wayne Date: 11/1/2008
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          I am so STOKED!


          --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:
          From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
          Subject: [pota] Blu-ray PLANET review
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:30 PM

          Unless someone else has beat me to it, here's the first review of the PLANET Blu-ray -- and just PLANET.

          http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews42/planet_of_the_apes_blu-ray.htm

          -- Rory

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          Group: pota Message: 49469 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/1/2008
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          I posted both segments at:
           
          Al


          From: Clark Wayne <kalel_x20@...>
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 8:00:45 PM
          Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray

          Even now, 40 years later that makeup is still amazing.

          --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@yahoo. com> wrote:

          > From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@yahoo. com>
          > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
          > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
          > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:31 PM
          > and here he is getting made up.....!
          > complete with Goldsmith score!
          >
          > http://www.rachaelr ayshow.com/ show/segments/ view/monkeying- around-colby/
          >
          >
          > --- On Fri, 10/31/08, drhasslein
          > <drhasslein@yahoo. com> wrote:
          >
          > > From: drhasslein <drhasslein@yahoo. com>
          > > Subject: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
          > > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
          > > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:08 PM
          > > Actually, apemania was there, and it was Coby from
          > Survivor
          > > they put
          > > in makeup, not an audience member... Maybe the
          > audience
          > > will put the
          > > sets on ebay really cheap!
          > >
          > >
          > > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, goapebilly@. .. wrote:
          > > >
          > > > good luck trying to watch show,i find i cant
          > watch
          > > even for a
          > > minute,w/out
          > > > running head into wall to stop the pain.but from
          > what
          > > i could
          > > stomach they
          > > > werent really on show at all.thats smart give
          > free
          > > blue ray to
          > > middle age house
          > > > wives who couldn't give a damn about or
          > appreciate
          > > them. goapebilly
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > In a message dated 10/31/2008 11:44:43 A.M.
          > Eastern
          > > Daylight Time,
          > > > drhasslein@. .. writes:
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > I haven't seen it yet because I am on the
          > West
          > > Coast, but today's
          > > > Rachel Ray featured an audience member in ape
          > makeup
          > > and she gave
          > > the
          > > > blu-ray set to the entire audience.
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ************ **Plan your next getaway with AOL
          > Travel.
          > > Check out
          > > Today's Hot
          > > > 5 Travel Deals!
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          > >
          > redir=http://travel. aol.com/discount -travel?ncid= emlcntustrav0000 0001)
          > > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >


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          Group: pota Message: 49470 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/1/2008
          Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
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          I'm all for a new apes movie.
           
          Bring it! :o)
           
          Al


          From: Clark Wayne <kalel_x20@...>
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 8:03:51 PM
          Subject: Re: [pota] "Genesis: Apes"

          I'll be honest. I hope the writer of the article is right and Genesis does sit on a shelf somewhere forever. If they really want to do something, why not adapt Planet of the Apes, as Boulle wrote it?

          --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@yahoo. com> wrote:

          > From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@yahoo. com>
          > Subject: [pota] "Genesis: Apes"
          > To: "POTA" <pota@yahoogroups. com>, "POTA DG" <PotaDG@yahoogroups. com>
          > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 6:31 PM
          > http://chud. com/articles/ articles/ 16881/1/IS- PLANET-OF- THE-APES- GETTING-REBOOTED -AGAIN/Page1..html"
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------ --------- --------- ------
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >


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          Group: pota Message: 49471 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/1/2008
          Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET review
          .html
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          Same here.
          Thanks for that review, Rory. Looks like a great Blu-ray transfer on every level.
           
          Al


          From: Clark Wayne <kalel_x20@...>
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 8:06:14 PM
          Subject: Re: [pota] Blu-ray PLANET review

          I am so STOKED!


          --- On Fri, 10/31/08, Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:
          From: Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com>
          Subject: [pota] Blu-ray PLANET review
          To: pota@yahoogroups. com
          Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:30 PM

          Unless someone else has beat me to it, here's the first review of the PLANET Blu-ray -- and just PLANET.

          http://www.dvdbeave r.com/film2/ DVDReviews42/ planet_of_ the_apes_ blu-ray.htm

          -- Rory


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          Group: pota Message: 49472 From: ChicagoMel Date: 11/2/2008
          Subject: Hi
          .html
          This is just a post to intro myself and say hi. I'm Melinda or Mel, from the Chicago area, 27yrs old. I've known about the franchise for like forever, but the interest just came on suddenly recently. I had been meaning to check the novel out from our little town library and finally did it and then had to get the movies on DVD from the bigger library I work at. I think it was bound to happen because I like dystopian and post-apocalyptic stories aynway as well as having an interest in 'furry' or animal characters. I'm very picky about what interests me and it's hard for me to find stories that draw me in.

          Thus far I'm only through the third film but Conquest is the one I've been waiting for the most, so I'm looking forward to it. (yes I think they should make a sixth film because there's still a gap between Battle and the original.

          Hey, can anyone just not get certain scenes out of their head? The Stewart-mummy scene, the 'you cut up his brain' scene, and that final narration from Beneath just won't go away lol. But then Beneath is creepy-ish anyway with the mutants.

          I know I'm going to be one of those ones dissecting the whole time-travel paradox thing and wanting to discuss it; it's intriguiging but hard to wrap one's mind around lol.

          The remake was on FX tonmight if anyone noticed. It seems they want back to the spirit of the ending of Boulle's novel for its ending. I haven't watched all of it yet but I taped it to watch later. (while I was watching Escape lol)

          Anyway, just wanted to say hi *waves*

          Mel
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          Group: pota Message: 49473 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
          Subject: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
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          The Fox Movie Channel will be showing 2 specials on Thanksgiving:

          "Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes" and "Evolution of the Apes" (the blu-ray special)

           

          Here's the complete lineup:

          http://www.foxmoviechannel.com/event/

           

          Al


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          Group: pota Message: 49474 From: Luiz Saulo Adami Date: 11/2/2008
          Subject: Re: Hi
          .html
          Hi, Melinda!
           
          Welcome to the PLANET OF THE APES fans group! I am Adami, from Brazil, and I'll like to exchange informations and items about PLANET OF THE APES universe, too!
           
          I am writer and book editor in Brazil, look at our publications house at:
           
          Best wishes,
           
          Saulo Adami
          "O único humano bom é aquele que está morto!"
          and "Diários de Hollywood: um brasileiro no Planeta dos Macacos" author
          From Brazil

          --- Em dom, 2/11/08, ChicagoMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@...> escreveu:
          De: ChicagoMel <sgt_buck_frobisher@...>
          Assunto: [pota] Hi
          Para: pota@yahoogroups.com, potaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Data: Domingo, 2 de Novembro de 2008, 3:17

          This is just a post to intro myself and say hi. I'm Melinda or Mel, from the Chicago area, 27yrs old. I've known about the franchise for like forever, but the interest just came on suddenly recently. I had been meaning to check the novel out from our little town library and finally did it and then had to get the movies on DVD from the bigger library I work at. I think it was bound to happen because I like dystopian and post-apocalyptic stories aynway as well as having an interest in 'furry' or animal characters. I'm very picky about what interests me and it's hard for me to find stories that draw me in.

          Thus far I'm only through the third film but Conquest is the one I've been waiting for the most, so I'm looking forward to it. (yes I think they should make a sixth film because there's still a gap between Battle and the original.

          Hey, can anyone just not get certain scenes out of their head? The Stewart-mummy scene, the 'you cut up his brain' scene, and that final narration from Beneath just won't go away lol. But then Beneath is creepy-ish anyway with the mutants.

          I know I'm going to be one of those ones dissecting the whole time-travel paradox thing and wanting to discuss it; it's intriguiging but hard to wrap one's mind around lol.

          The remake was on FX tonmight if anyone noticed. It seems they want back to the spirit of the ending of Boulle's novel for its ending. I haven't watched all of it yet but I taped it to watch later. (while I was watching Escape lol)

          Anyway, just wanted to say hi *waves*

          Mel



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          Group: pota Message: 49475 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
          Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
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            You said it.
             
            Zach 
             
            -------Original Message-------
             
            Date: 10/31/2008 4:18:03 PM
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
             

            I can't agree more.
            - Scott B.

            --- On Fri, 10/31/08, goapebilly@aol. com <goapebilly@aol. com> wrote:
            From: goapebilly@aol. com <goapebilly@aol. com>
            Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
            To: pota@yahoogroups. com
            Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 1:43 PM

            of course they arent another brillant marketing move by fox.just shows they dont care at all about apes and there marketing dept is clueless.but they'll whine sales were bad ,because they spit out same old stuff ,just in new packaging and wonder why it doesn't sell humm?can it be fox are idiots!!why would a handful of soceer moms and grandmothers want a set?i guess so they can run home and put it up on fee-bay . it would of been 1000% better to put something on g4 hellloooo fox target, audience willing to spend money.  goapebilly
             
            In a message dated 10/31/2008 1:33:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@aol. com writes:
            I wouldn't think Rachel Ray's audience is the right target group.
            For those who have the G4 network, Attack of the Show is doing something on Monday.

            --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
            >
            > An audience member in ape makeup and blu-ray sets for the entire audience?
            > Sounds to me like a FOX promotional gig.
            >
            > I guess it's cheaper than making a Blu-ray Commercial. lol :o) 
            >
            > Al
            >
            >
            >
            > ____________ _________ _________ __
            > From: drhasslein drhasslein@. ..
            > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
            > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:06:21 AM
            > Subject: [pota] Rachel Ray
            >
            >
            > I haven't seen it yet because I am on the West Coast, but today's
            > Rachel Ray featured an audience member in ape makeup and she gave the
            > blu-ray set to the entire audience.
            >




             
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            Group: pota Message: 49476 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
            Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
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              I liked that too.  Thanks.
               
              Zach   
               
              -------Original Message-------
               
              From: Alex Ruiz
              Date: 10/31/2008 4:34:01 PM
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
               

              That was cool. :o)
               
              Al


              From: "Tim "apefan"" <apefan23@yahoo. com>
              To: pota@yahoogroups. com
              Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:31:48 PM
              Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray

              and here he is getting made up.....!
              complete with Goldsmith score!

              http://www.rachaelr ayshow.com/ show/segments/ view/monkeying- around-colby/

              --- On Fri, 10/31/08, drhasslein <drhasslein@yahoo. com> wrote:

              > From: drhasslein <drhasslein@yahoo. com>
              > Subject: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
              > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
              > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:08 PM
              > Actually, apemania was there, and it was Coby from Survivor
              > they put
              > in makeup, not an audience member... Maybe the audience
              > will put the
              > sets on ebay really cheap!
              >
              >
              > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, goapebilly@. .. wrote:
              > >
              > > good luck trying to watch show,i find i cant watch
              > even for a
              > minute,w/out
              > > running head into wall to stop the pain.but from what
              > i could
              > stomach they
              > > werent really on show at all.thats smart give free
              > blue ray to
              > middle age house
              > > wives who couldn't give a damn about or appreciate
              > them. goapebilly
              > >
              > >
              > > In a message dated 10/31/2008 11:44:43 A.M. Eastern
              > Daylight Time,
              > > drhasslein@. .. writes:
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > I haven't seen it yet because I am on the West
              > Coast, but today's
              > > Rachel Ray featured an audience member in ape makeup
              > and she gave
              > the
              > > blu-ray set to the entire audience.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ************ **Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel.
              > Check out
              > Today's Hot
              > > 5 Travel Deals!
              > >
              > (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121241 6248x1200771803/ aol?
              > redir=http://travel. aol.com/discount -travel?ncid= emlcntustrav0000 0001)
              > >


               
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              Group: pota Message: 49477 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
              Subject: Re: Hi
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                It's nice to meet you, Melinda.  Welcome to this awesome group.
                 
                Zach   
                 
                -------Original Message-------
                 
                Date: 11/2/2008 12:22:23 AM
                To: pota@yahoogroups.com;  potaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [pota] Hi
                 

                This is just a post to intro myself and say hi. I'm Melinda or Mel, from the Chicago area, 27yrs old. I've known about the franchise for like forever, but the interest just came on suddenly recently. I had been meaning to check the novel out from our little town library and finally did it and then had to get the movies on DVD from the bigger library I work at. I think it was bound to happen because I like dystopian and post-apocalyptic stories aynway as well as having an interest in 'furry' or animal characters. I'm very picky about what interests me and it's hard for me to find stories that draw me in.

                Thus far I'm only through the third film but Conquest is the one I've been waiting for the most, so I'm looking forward to it. (yes I think they should make a sixth film because there's still a gap between Battle and the original.

                Hey, can anyone just not get certain scenes out of their head? The Stewart-mummy scene, the 'you cut up his brain' scene, and that final narration from Beneath just won't go away lol. But then Beneath is creepy-ish anyway with the mutants.

                I know I'm going to be one of those ones dissecting the whole time-travel paradox thing and wanting to discuss it; it's intriguiging but hard to wrap one's mind around lol.

                The remake was on FX tonmight if anyone noticed. It seems they want back to the spirit of the ending of Boulle's novel for its ending. I haven't watched all of it yet but I taped it to watch later. (while I was watching Escape lol)

                Anyway, just wanted to say hi *waves*

                Mel

                 
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                Group: pota Message: 49478 From: angelofmusic2112 Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
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                --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
                >
                > The Fox Movie Channel will be showing 2 specials on Thanksgiving:
                > "Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes" and "Evolution of the Apes" (the blu-
                ray special)
                >
                > Here's the complete lineup:
                > http://www.foxmoviechannel.com/event/
                >
                > Al
                >
                Do you guys think that Fox will be running the extended blu-ray
                version of CONQUEST? It seems that they will be. Please, please,
                please.
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                Group: pota Message: 49479 From: kalel_x20 Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Terrible news!
                .html
                I read online that Forrest Ackerman suffered a very bad heart attack
                and his chances of survival are slim. I know many Apes fans likely
                still have their FM's with Apes covers and such. This is a bad blow to
                genre fans, since Forry was the ultimate fan. He'll be missed. Thanks
                Forry...
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                Group: pota Message: 49480 From: Rich Handley Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
                .html
                Some time back, that there was a big controversy regarding a Statue
                of Liberty head prop, supposedly attributed to the first film but
                later the subject of scrutiny when some questioned its
                authenticity. Was there ever a resolution on this? It occurs to me
                that I don't know what was ultimately determined regarding whether
                the head was, in fact, from the movie. I seem to recall a number of
                blogs at the time citing evidence that the head, once it was put up
                for auction, didn't match what was seen onscreen.
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                Group: pota Message: 49481 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Re: Terrible news!
                .html
                .html
                  That's too bad. I met Forry in 2006 at the World Science Fiction Convention. He was in a wheelchair and couldn't speak but his love of science fiction was still there.
                  And let's not forget the tribute to him in "Battle"; there's a street named after him in the mutant city.
                 
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: kalel_x20
                Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:42 AM
                Subject: [pota] Terrible news!

                I read online that Forrest Ackerman suffered a very bad heart attack
                and his chances of survival are slim. I know many Apes fans likely
                still have their FM's with Apes covers and such. This is a bad blow to
                genre fans, since Forry was the ultimate fan. He'll be missed. Thanks
                Forry...

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                Group: pota Message: 49482 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
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                .html
                It seems that they are. The description says: "Extended Cut" for both Conquest and Battle.
                 
                Al


                From: angelofmusic2112 <angelofmusic2112@...>
                To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 10:00:45 AM
                Subject: [pota] Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!

                --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@.. .> wrote:
                >
                > The Fox Movie Channel will be showing 2 specials on Thanksgiving:
                > "Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes" and "Evolution of the Apes" (the blu-
                ray special)
                >  
                > Here's the complete lineup:
                > http://www.foxmovie channel.com/ event/
                >  
                > Al
                >
                Do you guys think that Fox will be running the extended blu-ray
                version of CONQUEST? It seems that they will be. Please, please,
                please.


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                Group: pota Message: 49483 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Comic Book Marketplace #68
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                In case anyone is interested, there are two copies of the semi-rare Comic Book Marketplace #68 (Planet of the Apes special issue) up on eBay right now in Fine (#320302934676) and Very Fine (item # 310095984121) condition respectively. Pretty good prices too.
                 
                Chris L.
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                Group: pota Message: 49484 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
                .html
                So is "Evolution of the Apes" a documentary and "Fox Legacy: Planet of
                the Apes" the original film with introductory comments by Tim Rothman?

                BTW, Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes is run three times in a row on Friday
                the 28th and Escape is run three times in a row on Saturday the 29th?
                That's kind of odd.


                Chris L.
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                Group: pota Message: 49485 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Tomart's Action Figure Digest #60- Mego issue on eBay
                .html
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                Interview with Mego Founder Marty Abrams, item #150307502380. Four available, and again at a pretty good price ($4.20). NM condition too.
                 
                Chris L.
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                Group: pota Message: 49486 From: drhasslein Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
                .html
                It's from a KISS tour.

                --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
                >
                > Some time back, that there was a big controversy regarding a Statue
                > of Liberty head prop, supposedly attributed to the first film but
                > later the subject of scrutiny when some questioned its
                > authenticity. Was there ever a resolution on this? It occurs to me
                > that I don't know what was ultimately determined regarding whether
                > the head was, in fact, from the movie. I seem to recall a number of
                > blogs at the time citing evidence that the head, once it was put up
                > for auction, didn't match what was seen onscreen.
                >
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                Group: pota Message: 49487 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
                .html
                .html
                That seems to be the case.
                I think it's great that Fox is broadcasting both "Evolution of the Apes" and "Conquet Unrated."
                Great for those who don't have blu-ray players or HD TVs.
                 
                Now whoever said, Fox wasn't cool.  :o)
                 
                Al
                 
                P.S. Blu-ray Day: 32 hours to lift off. :o)


                From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
                To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 3:04:42 PM
                Subject: [pota] Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!

                So is "Evolution of the Apes" a documentary and "Fox Legacy: Planet of
                the Apes" the original film with introductory comments by Tim Rothman?

                BTW, Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes is run three times in a row on Friday
                the 28th and Escape is run three times in a row on Saturday the 29th?
                That's kind of odd.


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                Group: pota Message: 49488 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/2/2008
                Subject: Re: Terrible news!
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                  That is too bad.  I recall that tribute in Battle:  "the corner of Breck and Ackerman". 
                   
                  Zach   
                   
                  -------Original Message-------
                   
                  From: Jeff K.
                  Date: 11/2/2008 1:36:45 PM
                  To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [pota] Terrible news!
                   

                    That's too bad. I met Forry in 2006 at the World Science Fiction Convention. He was in a wheelchair and couldn't speak but his love of science fiction was still there.
                    And let's not forget the tribute to him in "Battle"; there's a street named after him in the mutant city.
                   
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: kalel_x20
                  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:42 AM
                  Subject: [pota] Terrible news!

                  I read online that Forrest Ackerman suffered a very bad heart attack
                  and his chances of survival are slim. I know many Apes fans likely
                  still have their FM's with Apes covers and such. This is a bad blow to
                  genre fans, since Forry was the ultimate fan. He'll be missed. Thanks
                  Forry...

                   
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                  Group: pota Message: 49489 From: mcwilliamstodd Date: 11/2/2008
                  Subject: New Kid on the Block....
                  .html
                  Hi All, New Kid here (well older really)! LOL's!! Name is Todd. I've
                  always had interest in the POTA movies since seeing the very first one
                  in the theaters. My main interest is painting and weathering the ADDAR
                  and Polar Lights model kits. Main interests are building model cars and
                  trucks, Sci-Fi and figures. Pretty far-reaching interests. POTA is one
                  of the many!

                  Thanks - Todd
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                  Group: pota Message: 49490 From: rassmguy Date: 11/2/2008
                  Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
                  .html
                  Oh, wow--I somehow never heard about that. How was that determined?
                  And were there any repercussions to the seller?


                  --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > It's from a KISS tour.
                  >
                  > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Some time back, that there was a big controversy regarding a Statue
                  > > of Liberty head prop, supposedly attributed to the first film but
                  > > later the subject of scrutiny when some questioned its
                  > > authenticity. Was there ever a resolution on this? It occurs to me
                  > > that I don't know what was ultimately determined regarding whether
                  > > the head was, in fact, from the movie. I seem to recall a number of
                  > > blogs at the time citing evidence that the head, once it was put up
                  > > for auction, didn't match what was seen onscreen.
                  > >
                  >
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                  There was definitely a push to make Laserdiscs sort of a 'videophile' thing similar to the audiophiles who had all the high end stuff. In particular, when Naked Lunch was released to home video, the studio made two different covers- one for VHS and one for LD- to appeal to what they perceived as two very different markets. As I recall, the VHS artwork sort of dumbed down what the film was about (which is debatable in and of itself) to appeal to the masses. They figured that the people who purchased LDs were "in the know" (so to speak).
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>Ah, I remember those days too.  Laserdiscs were just so damn
                  exciting.  Couldn't wait to get a new release.  DVDs just aren't the same, not even Blu-ray.  Everybody gets DVDs.  Back in those days, laserdiscs were special -- even the disc jackets -- and you felt so superior owning them compared to the schleps still watching VHS.

                  Funny thing... nowadays, you couldn't pay me to watch a laserdisc.  When I moved, I finally threw most of mine away. <<
                   
                  "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>I went to Studio day each year they had it, (maybe it was more than
                  once a year, I don't remember now) but I was the only person that
                  would bring Battle up. The studio day that followed the Japan box
                  release, Dave (from fox)rushed up to me as soon as I walked in the
                  door, excited to tell me about it, but I burst his balloon when I
                  said I knew about it and in fact owned it already. I don't remember
                  how I initially found out it was going to be released, I was buying a
                  lot of Godzilla imports at the time, it might have been from Laser
                  Craze on the east coast... But Ken Cranes in Orange County had a
                  better price. I was on the wait list at Ken Cranes' and drove there
                  and purchased it the day they got it in. Life was good. <<<.html

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                  Group: pota Message: 49492 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
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                  "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
                   
                  "I wouldn't expect anyone, Generation Y and younger, would have an
                  appreciation for 2001. Anything paced is boring to them. Even in my
                  small circle of friends, who are older, I know of no one other than
                  myself that even likes it, much less thinks its outstanding."
                   
                   
                  I was at an auto dealer yesterday getting my car worked on, and while in the waiting room surfing through the channels I noticed that 2001 was showing on TCM so I left it on. At one point, this girl came in (about 19 or 20 years old) who looked like a living "fashion" catalog came in and sat down, huffed at the fact that MTV's Cribs (or something similarly lowbrow) wasn't on, and spent the entire time she was there text messaging ("Omigod, why aren't there any single male supermodels waiting around the corner ready to commit to me? Sex and the City says that's what life is really like. Omigod!!!")
                   
                  Needless to say, you didn't get much of a hit of 'intelligent' hit off of her.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>You had to be there in 1968, and then grow up thinking perhaps the
                  future would be like that, then experience the bitter reality of the real year 2001 and the knowledge that it was APES that actually had the future vision right -- man is a nuisance, a walking pestilence, and the more that keep coming, the worse it gets. <<
                   
                  I didn't see it until NBC ran it in the mid 70's, but I've always had an appreciation for it. I don't think people had to be there to appreciate it, but I don't think that necessarily hurt either.
                   
                   
                   
                  Rory (again):
                   
                  >>I remember Seth Green best as the young "Woody Allen" in RADIO DAYS
                  -- now over twenty years old.  Of course, in his case he hasn't grow up that much. <<
                   
                  Ba-ZING!!!!
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
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                  "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>I noticed that too...and I'd be willing to bet that it also
                  includes the
                  scene where the three mutants--Caspay, Adiposo (the Fat Man) and the Verger
                  of the cathedral--being gunned down via orders from General Ursus in front
                  of the ruined Radio City Music Hall marquee! <<
                   
                  Considering that it was never filmed, that would be quite a feat!!
                   
                  Seriously- this scene was NEVER in any of the screenplays. It was something that Michael Avallone fabricated in his novelization for BENEATH.
                   

                  >>And what about ESCAPE? This "Secret Behind ESCAPE" section the
                  disc listed.
                  .is that where one could finally see the deleted scene about the third ship
                  taking off right before the AO Bomb exploded, Zira, Cornelius and Milo
                  witnessing the nuclear destruction of the planet, hitting the time warp and
                  landing back on Earth in 1973 <<
                   
                  There was no third ship. It says right in ESCAPE that they were in Taylor's ship.
                   
                   
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                  Group: pota Message: 49494 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
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                  Right, right, I had forgotten about that. Again, if I had to make an educated guess, I'd say the publicity department realized that two of the Mutants didn't have names. Obviously this wouldn't work out with the way the BENEATH Herald was laid out, so they probably just made up names since they couldn't use "Interrogator Negro" and "Interrogator Fat Man". I mean, they made up a name for a leader of the Mutant General of the Defense (Ygli VII) with the sidebar about individual training in the use of mental deterrents being completed by the time of the planned Ape assault, so why not names for the two mutants? It's not like any of them were referred to by name in the film anyway, which is probably why they transposed the names for Caspay (under Natalie Trundy's photo) and Albina (under Jeff Corey's photo). The thing is though, Albina even sounds like a female name so that mistake is a little strange to me.
                   
                  Speaking of the BENEATH Herald, I thought the one sidebar about a light leak being sealed was actually pretty creative.
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "m c" aboro3085@...> wrote: 
                   
                  *** They're in that APE newspaper that came with the BENEATH pressbook... ***
                   
                   
                  I wrote:
                   
                  >>You're welcome. Interestingly, the name 'Ongaro' appears in NONE of
                  the scripts I've ever seen. Ditto for 'Adiposo' (Victor Buono's character). I really wonder where those two names came from. <<<.html

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                  Group: pota Message: 49495 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
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                  Thanks. I was pretty sure that's what happened.
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Tim "apefan"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>it was the rifle butt...I just watched it the other night...
                  <<
                   
                  I wrote:
                   
                  >>I always thought that happened because he got hit with the butt of
                  a rifle. <<
                   
                   
                  "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>I bet there's a lot of scenes like the one that was left in
                  Conquest where the cop gets a bullet
                  in the head and blood spurts out. <<<.html

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                  Group: pota Message: 49496 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
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                  No, Brent's ship was destroyed in the crash landing. Look at it.
                   
                  Taylor's ship could have surfaced on it's own i.e. if an air bubble formed inside and then drifter to the shoreline. I mean, if you're going to accept the talking apes, time travel, telepathic mutants etc why try to be realistic about how Taylor's ship was salvaged? It's called suspension of disbelief.
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Karyl Miller" <gone2thebad@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>I always thought that it was Brent's ship that they
                  found.

                  How would they have gotten Taylor's ship out of the water without salvage equipment, especially since the apes had such a low level of technology? <<
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                  Group: pota Message: 49497 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
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                  I'm pretty sure it's only available on Satellite- Direct TV or the like.
                   
                  Does anyone here remember if there was a special? I thought it was mentioned as a possibility to be
                  included on a Rarities 3 DVD if Hunter had enough material.
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Alex Ruiz" <pota1968@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>If so, I wish I had the Monsters HD channel. <<
                   
                   
                  I wrote:
                   
                  >>Didn't Monsters HD show the films in HD recently? Plus some sort of
                  special? <<
                   
                   
                  Alex (again):
                   
                  >>They're fianlly going to present Planet of the Apes in HD TV. I
                  only wish they would have done this long before the blu-rays came out. But still looking forward to it. <<<.html

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                  Group: pota Message: 49498 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
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                  "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>And how could our three chimp friends possibly have the know-how
                  and the
                  technology to raise Taylor's ship off of the bottom of that lake, somehow
                  clean it out, repair it and launch it right in the nick of time? <<
                   
                  Again, it's called suspension of disbelief. You're OK with the talking apes and the time travel, but not that Taylor's ship was salvaged?
                   
                   
                  >>Besides, this third ship is much smaller than Taylor's; it even had
                  a side hatch
                  where Taylor's didn't. In addition to this, there has been several stills
                  from the deleted scenes on ESCAPE that clearly showed three seats sitting
                  side-by-side, whereas in Taylor's, there were four...two in front and two in
                  the back. <<
                   
                  That's called set design based on what the script indicated. I really doubt they were that worried about set continuity when ESCAPE was in preproduction back in 1970/71.
                   
                   
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                  Group: pota Message: 49499 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
                  Subject: Re: UPDATE: Audio Problem(s) with BENEATH
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                  Nice score!! I hope they didn't zap you with shipping though.
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>I just bought another player and 210 movies for a song on ebay.
                  Laserdiscs are still fun, because they are so cheap now. I got that lot
                  for less than half the cost of renting movies, I had never seen half of
                  them. Once I watch them, I'll resale them... I know what you mean
                  about the dvd experience not being the same though... <<<.html

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                  Group: pota Message: 49500 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/2/2008
                  Subject: Re: (OT) Robot Chicken 2001
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                  And we've come full circle in the Robot Chicken 2001 discussion now...   :-)
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "LordTZer0@..." <LordTZer0@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>And I was the one who asked if Rory had seen Robot Chicken's take
                  on the film
                  with a link to youtube showing it had now been spiced up with boobies. <<<.html

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                  Group: pota Message: 49501 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
                  Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
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                  I have HD Direct TV. No Monsters HD here.
                   
                  Al 


                  From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
                  To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 6:38:02 PM
                  Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'

                  I'm pretty sure it's only available on Satellite- Direct TV or the like.
                   
                  Does anyone here remember if there was a special? I thought it was mentioned as a possibility to be
                  included on a Rarities 3 DVD if Hunter had enough material.
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Alex Ruiz" <pota1968@yahoo. com> wrote:
                   
                  >>If so, I wish I had the Monsters HD channel. <<
                   
                   
                  I wrote:
                   
                  >>Didn't Monsters HD show the films in HD recently? Plus some sort of special? <<
                   
                   
                  Alex (again):
                   
                  >>They're fianlly going to present Planet of the Apes in HD TV. I only wish they would have done this long before the blu-rays came out. But still looking forward to it. <<


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                  Group: pota Message: 49502 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/2/2008
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                  Direct TV doesn't have Fox Movie Channel in HD either. Just the standard version.
                  I believe only Fox's FX Channel and Fox's Main Channel are in HD.
                   
                  Al


                  From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
                  To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 6:38:02 PM
                  Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'

                  I'm pretty sure it's only available on Satellite- Direct TV or the like.
                   
                  Does anyone here remember if there was a special? I thought it was mentioned as a possibility to be
                  included on a Rarities 3 DVD if Hunter had enough material.
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Alex Ruiz" <pota1968@yahoo. com> wrote:
                   
                  >>If so, I wish I had the Monsters HD channel. <<
                   
                   
                  I wrote:
                   
                  >>Didn't Monsters HD show the films in HD recently? Plus some sort of special? <<
                   
                   
                  Alex (again):
                   
                  >>They're fianlly going to present Planet of the Apes in HD TV. I only wish they would have done this long before the blu-rays came out. But still looking forward to it. <<


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                  Group: pota Message: 49503 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 11/2/2008
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                  They just had a "commercial" in the Simpsons where Taylor and Nova ride the horse along the beach and instead of the Statue of Liberty it's a giant can of Buzz Beer in the sand.
                   
                  Bruce



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                  Group: pota Message: 49504 From: ~~Joanne~~ Date: 11/2/2008
                  Subject: Re: Rachel Ray
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                  I did not get a chance to watch Rachel Ray but remember Colby from Survivor.  What does he have to do with Apes?

                   


                  --- On Fri, 10/31/08, drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:
                  From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
                  Subject: [pota] Re: Rachel Ray
                  To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:08 PM

                  Actually, apemania was there, and it was Coby from Survivor they put
                  in makeup, not an audience member... Maybe the audience will put the
                  sets on ebay really cheap!

                  --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, goapebilly@. .. wrote:
                  >
                  > good luck trying to watch show,i find i cant watch even for a
                  minute,w/out
                  > running head into wall to stop the pain.but from what i could
                  stomach they
                  > werent really on show at all.thats smart give free blue ray to
                  middle age house
                  > wives who couldn't give a damn about or appreciate them. goapebilly
                  >
                  >
                  > In a message dated 10/31/2008 11:44:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
                  > drhasslein@. .. writes:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I haven't seen it yet because I am on the West Coast, but today's
                  > Rachel Ray featured an audience member in ape makeup and she gave
                  the
                  > blu-ray set to the entire audience.
                  >
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                  Group: pota Message: 49505 From: Dario Sciola Date: 11/2/2008
                  Subject: Re: Terrible news!
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                  I met him in '97 in Montreal and then again in LA in 2006 at WC as well.
                  While he wasn't talkative he was certainly able to speak. He even walked
                  a bit and gave an award at the awards ceremony.

                  He was also recently interviewed and is on the cover (as a Basil Gogos
                  painting no less) in the current issue of Rue Morgue magazine that
                  should still be on the newstands right now (for a few more days).
                  http://www.rue-morgue.com/magazine.php

                  Dario

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
                  Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008 2:07 pm
                  Subject: Re: [pota] Terrible news!

                  > That's too bad. I met Forry in 2006 at the World Science Fiction
                  > Convention. He was in a wheelchair and couldn't speak but his love
                  > of science fiction was still there.
                  > And let's not forget the tribute to him in "Battle"; there's a
                  > street named after him in the mutant city.
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: kalel_x20
                  > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:42 AM
                  > Subject: [pota] Terrible news!
                  >
                  >
                  > I read online that Forrest Ackerman suffered a very bad heart
                  > attack
                  > and his chances of survival are slim. I know many Apes fans
                  > likely
                  > still have their FM's with Apes covers and such. This is a bad
                  > blow to
                  > genre fans, since Forry was the ultimate fan. He'll be missed.
                  > Thanks
                  > Forry...
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                  Group: pota Message: 49506 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
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                  That would be VERY cool if they are. I was wondering how I was going to see the extended cut of CONQUEST.
                   
                  BTW- on a slightly different topic- click on the Fox Movie Channel link below and look at the photo they have up for BATTLE. I've seen that image before online somewhat recently, and always wondered about the jacket MacDonald was wearing. Do we see that in the film? Seem kind of strange he'd be wearing a jacket in the desert.
                   
                   
                  Chris L.
                   
                   
                   
                  "Alex Ruiz" <pota1968@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>It seems that they are. The description says: "Extended Cut" for
                  both Conquest and Battle. <<
                   
                   
                  "angelofmusic2112" <angelofmusic2112@...> wrote:
                   
                  >>Do you guys think that Fox will be running the extended blu-ray
                  version of CONQUEST? It seems that they will be. Please, please, please. <<
                   
                   
                  Alex (again):
                   
                  >>The Fox Movie Channel will be showing 2 specials on
                  Thanksgiving:
                  "Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes" and "Evolution of the Apes" (the blu-ray special)
                   
                  Here's the complete lineup:
                  http://www.foxmovie channel.com/ event/ <<<.html

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                  Group: pota Message: 49507 From: Joey OBrien Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Re: Terrible news!
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                  I talked to Joe Moe, Forry's caregiver and best friend. He told me to
                  spread the word about Forry. Forry is dying, he is leaving us quickly.
                  If youre going to write or call, do it now before it's too late. He's
                  in good spirits and not in any pain or taking any meds. He did not have
                  any heart attack or stroke. He is home resting comfortably, but his
                  body is starting to shut down and he's sleeping alot now, hes very weak.
                  Even if you do what I did, just write "I love you" on a piece of paper
                  and mail it, please do something if he touched your life in some
                  way................joey OBrien

                  FORREST J ACKERMAN
                  4511 Russell Avenue
                  Los Angeles, CA
                  90027
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                  Group: pota Message: 49508 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
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                  I get the feeling until I make the definitive POTA
                  were going to keep getting crap ones from Hollywood.
                   
                  Hopeful but dubious
                  .
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 10/31/2008 5:56:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:



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                  Group: pota Message: 49509 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
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                  Should it be or shouldn't it?
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 10/31/2008 10:24:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
                  To be, or not to be?  That is the question.



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                  Group: pota Message: 49510 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Forrest Ackerman BIO
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                  Forrest J Ackerman (born November 24, 1916) is an American collector of science fiction books and movie memorabilia and a science fiction fan. Ackerman, known as "Forry" or "4e" or "4SJ", was influential not only in the formation, organization, and spread of science fiction fandom, but was also a key figure in the wider cultural acceptance of science fiction as a literary, art and film genre. Ackerman is also known as the editor-writer of the magazine Famous Monsters of Filmland, as well as an occasional author, actor, producer (Vampirella), and literary agent.

                  Ackerman or, "Mr. Science Fiction,"[citation needed]saw his first "imagi-movie" in 1922 (One Glorious Day), purchased his first science fiction magazine, Amazing Stories, in 1926, created The Boys' Scientifiction Club in 1930 ("girl-fans were as rare as unicorn's horns in those days"), contributed to both of the first science fiction fanzines, The Time Traveller, and the Science Fiction Magazine, put out and edited by Shuster & Siegel of Superman fame, in 1932, and by 1933 had 127 correspondents around the world. He attended the 1st World Science Fiction Convention in 1939, where he wore the first "futuristicostume" (designed and created by Myrtle R. Douglas) and sparked fan costuming. He has attended every Worldcon but two thereafter. Ackerman invited Ray Bradbury to attend the now legendary CliftonÂ’s Cafeteria Science Fiction Club, where Ray met the writers Robert A. Heinlein, Emil Petaja, Fredric Brown, Henry Kuttner, Leigh Brackett, and Jack Williamson. And with $90 from Forrest, Bradbury launched a fanzine, Futuria Fantasia, in 1939.

                  Ackerman helped found the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society, a prominent regional organization in science fiction fandom, as well as the National Fantasy Fan Federation (N3F). He also provided publishing assistance in the early days of the Daughters of Bilitis, and (as the author of several lesbian novels under the name "Laurajean Ermayne") was dubbed an "honorary lesbian" at a DOB party.[1] He is (or was) personally acquainted with many twentieth-century writers of science fiction. He is noted for having amassed an extremely large and complete collection of science fiction, fantasy and horror film memorabilia, which was, until 2002, maintained in a remarkable home/museum known as the 18-room "Ackermansion" in the Los Feliz district of Los Angeles, filled with 300,000 books and pieces of movie memorabilia. He has entertained approximately 50,000 fans at open houses since 1951, including 186 fans and pros in one memorable night, including astronaut Buzz Aldrin. Ackerman is a board member of the Seattle Science Fiction Museum and Hall of Fame, where many items of his own collection are displayed. Ackerman received a unique 1953 Hugo Award for "#1 Fan Personality" which some might say is the equivalent of the present-day Hugo Award for Best Fan Writer.

                  Ackerman is credited with nurturing and even inspiring the careers of several early contemporaries[2] like Ray Bradbury, Ray Harryhausen, Charles Beaumont, Marion Zimmer Bradley and L. Ron Hubbard. He was Ed Wood's "illiterary" agent[3] and represents 200 authors of science fiction and fantasy.

                  Ackerman has had 50 stories published, including collaborations with A. E. van Vogt, Francis Flagg, Robert A. W. Lowndes, Marion Zimmer Bradley, Donald Wollheim and Catherine Moore and the world's shortest — one letter of the alphabet. His stories have been translated into six languages. Ackerman named the sexy comic-book character Vampirella and wrote the origin story for the comic.

                  Ackerman is fluent in the international language Esperanto, and claims to have walked down Hollywood Boulevard arm-in-arm with Leo G. Carroll singing La Espero, the hymn of Esperanto.[4]

                  Through his magazine, Famous Monsters of Filmland (1958–1983), Forrest J Ackerman introduced the history of the science fiction, fantasy and horror film genres to a generation of young readers. At a time when most movie-related publications glorified the stars in front of the camera, "Uncle Forry", as he's referred to by many of his fans, promoted the behind-the-scenes artists involved in the magic of movies. In this way Ackerman provided inspiration to many who would later become successful artists, including Peter Jackson, Steven Spielberg, Tim Burton, Stephen King, Penn & Teller, Billy Bob Thornton, Gene Simmons (of the band Kiss), Rick Baker, George Lucas, Danny Elfman, Frank Darabont, John Landis and countless other writers, directors, artists and craftsmen.

                  In the 1960s, Ackerman organized the publication of an English translation in the U.S. of the German science fiction series Perry Rhodan, the longest science fiction series in history. These were published by Ace Books from 1969 through 1977. Ackerman's German-speaking wife Wendayne ("Wendy") did most of the translation. The American books were issued with varying frequency from one to as many as four per month. Ackerman also used the paperback series to promote science fiction short stories, including his own on occasion. These "magabooks" or "bookazines" also included a film review section, known as "Scientifilm World", and letters from readers. The American series came to an end when the management of Ace changed and the new management decided that the series was too juvenile for their taste. The last Ace issue was #118, which corresponded to German issue #126 as some of the Ace editions contained two of the German issues, and three of the German issues had been skipped. Forry later published translations of German issues #127 through #145 on his own under the Master Publications imprint. The original German series continues today and passed issue #2400 in 2007.

                  He also contributed to film magazines from all around the world, including Spanish speaking La Cosa - Cine Fantástico magazine, from Argentina, where he had a monthly column for over four years.

                  Ackerman says, "I aim at hitting 100 and becoming the George Burns of science fiction".

                  Ackerman currently lives in the new "Acker-mini-mansion" in Hollywood where he continues to entertain and inspire fans weekly with his amazing collection of memorabilia and priceless stories of the golden age of art, filmmaking, literature and all things fantastical.

                  [edit] Appearances in film, TV and music

                  In 1961, Ackerman narrated the record "Music for Robots" created by Frank Coe. The cover featured Forrest Ackerman's face superimposed on the movie robot Tobor the Great. The record was reissued on CD in 2005.

                  Ackerman himself appears as a character in Dead Alive, The Vampire Affair by David McDaniel (a novel in the Man from U.N.C.L.E. series), and Philip José Farmer's novel Blown. A character based on Ackerman, and his "Ackermansion", appears in the Niven/Pournelle collaboration Fallen Angels.

                  A life-long fan of science fiction "B-movies", Ackerman has had cameos in over 210 films, including bit parts in many monster movies (The Howling, Innocent Blood, Return of the Living Dead Part II), more traditional "imagi-movies" (The Power, The Time Travelers, Future War), spoofs (Amazon Women on the Moon, Attack of the 60 Foot Centerfold), and at least one major music video (Michael Jackson's Thriller). Thus, his Bacon number is 2.

                  Ackerman appears extensively on-screen discussing his life and the history of science fiction fandom in the 2006 documentary film Finding the Future.[5]

                  He has also appeared on the intro track of Ohio horrorpunk music group, Manimals' 1999 album, Horrorcore.

                  In 2007, Roadhouse Films of Canada released a documentary titled 'Famous Monster: Forrest J Ackerman' which takes a fast-paced, colorful look at the life of science fiction's greatest fan. The documentary is currently only available on DVD in the UK, but airs regularly on the BRAVO channel.

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                  Group: pota Message: 49511 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
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                  Did you notice?
                  They missed the behind the ear pieces.
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 11/1/2008 6:11:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, kalel_x20@... writes:
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                  Group: pota Message: 49512 From: jessica rotich Date: 11/3/2008
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                  I love how Brian spray-painted the colors of that mask. 
                   
                  Jessica.
                  On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

                   
                  Did you notice?
                  They missed the behind the ear pieces.
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 11/1/2008 6:11:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, kalel_x20@... writes:
                  Even now, 40 years later that makeup is still amazing.




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                  Group: pota Message: 49513 From: Chris Lawless Date: 11/3/2008
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                  Is this (http://www.foxmoviechannel.com/ChannelOfTheApes/) the (insert
                  negative description here) promo that was mentioned previously in the
                  group, or is there another one?


                  Chris L.
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                  Group: pota Message: 49514 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Re: "Genesis: Apes"
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                  I rather it stay in Development Hell then be released as
                  a bigger Bomb then that Alpha Omega of Tim Burton's.
                   
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 11/1/2008 6:11:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, kalel_x20@... writes:
                  I'll be honest. I hope the writer of the article is right and Genesis does sit on a shelf somewhere forever.



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                  Group: pota Message: 49515 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/3/2008
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                  > It's from a KISS tour.

                  I don't believe it was. One person posted here and said that the
                  statue he saw in KISSology resembled the one on eBay. But I don't
                  think it was the same one. For starters, the KISS "Statue of Liberty"
                  was more than 20 feet tall, which I don't remember the eBay one being.
                  It also had a face that broke off, revealing a skull underneath:

                  http://www.kissfanshop.de/KissTours/1992USA.htm

                  Hunter
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                  Group: pota Message: 49516 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Re: (OT) Robot Chicken 2001
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                  Like books?
                  I hear it's good but I'll wait for the video game.
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:03:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:
                  Anything paced is boring to them.



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                  Group: pota Message: 49517 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
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                  Because there's no such thing as a male supermodel.
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:03:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:
                  Omigod, why aren't there any single male supermodels waiting around the corner ready to commit to me? Sex and the City says that's what life is really like.



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                  Group: pota Message: 49518 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/3/2008
                  Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
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                  I'm pretty sure it's like the Anime Network.
                  Only available in select areas.  You have to
                   call your local provider and request it and hope
                  enough people in your local area do the same.
                  .
                   
                   
                  In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:17:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:
                  I have HD Direct TV. No Monsters HD here.
                   
                  Al 



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                  Group: pota Message: 49519 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/3/2008
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                    Welcome to the group, Todd.
                     
                    Zach   
                     
                    -------Original Message-------
                     
                    Date: 11/2/2008 4:08:03 PM
                    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [pota] New Kid on the Block....
                     

                    Hi All, New Kid here (well older really)! LOL's!! Name is Todd. I've
                    always had interest in the POTA movies since seeing the very first one
                    in the theaters. My main interest is painting and weathering the ADDAR
                    and Polar Lights model kits. Main interests are building model cars and
                    trucks, Sci-Fi and figures. Pretty far-reaching interests. POTA is one
                    of the many!

                    Thanks - Todd

                     
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                    Group: pota Message: 49520 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/3/2008
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                      Well...once again, I'm certain that I saw that in 1970.
                       
                      Zach 
                       
                      -------Original Message-------
                       
                      Date: 11/2/2008 7:04:08 PM
                      To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
                       

                      "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@aol. com> wrote:
                       
                      >>I noticed that too...and I'd be willing to bet that it also includes the
                      scene where the three mutants--Caspay, Adiposo (the Fat Man) and the Verger
                      of the cathedral--being gunned down via orders from General Ursus in front
                      of the ruined Radio City Music Hall marquee! <<
                       
                      Considering that it was never filmed, that would be quite a feat!!
                       
                      Seriously- this scene was NEVER in any of the screenplays. It was something that Michael Avallone fabricated in his novelization for BENEATH.
                       

                      >>And what about ESCAPE? This "Secret Behind ESCAPE" section the disc listed.
                      .is that where one could finally see the deleted scene about the third ship
                      taking off right before the AO Bomb exploded, Zira, Cornelius and Milo
                      witnessing the nuclear destruction of the planet, hitting the time warp and
                      landing back on Earth in 1973 <<
                       
                      There was no third ship. It says right in ESCAPE that they were in Taylor's ship.
                       
                       
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                      Group: pota Message: 49521 From: Ed Woods Date: 11/3/2008
                      Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
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                      The Revenge tour of '92?
                      http://www.kissfanshop.de/KissTours/1992USA.htm

                      drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:
                      It's from a KISS tour.

                      --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Rich Handley <handleyr@.. .> wrote:
                      >
                      > Some time back, that there was a big controversy regarding a Statue
                      > of Liberty head prop, supposedly attributed to the first film but
                      > later the subject of scrutiny when some questioned its
                      > authenticity. Was there ever a resolution on this? It occurs to me
                      > that I don't know what was ultimately determined regarding whether
                      > the head was, in fact, from the movie. I seem to recall a number of
                      > blogs at the time citing evidence that the head, once it was put up
                      > for auction, didn't match what was seen onscreen.
                      >


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                      Group: pota Message: 49522 From: zasco1957 Date: 11/3/2008
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                        Like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions here, regarding "Taylor's ship".
                         
                        I've enjoyed reading everyone else's opinions, there had been some great points made. 
                         
                        Zach   
                         
                        -------Original Message-------
                         
                        Date: 11/2/2008 7:04:54 PM
                        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
                         

                        "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@aol. com> wrote:
                         
                        >>And how could our three chimp friends possibly have the know-how and the
                        technology to raise Taylor's ship off of the bottom of that lake, somehow
                        clean it out, repair it and launch it right in the nick of time? <<
                         
                        Again, it's called suspension of disbelief. You're OK with the talking apes and the time travel, but not that Taylor's ship was salvaged?
                         
                         
                        >>Besides, this third ship is much smaller than Taylor's; it even had a side hatch
                        where Taylor's didn't. In addition to this, there has been several stills
                        from the deleted scenes on ESCAPE that clearly showed three seats sitting
                        side-by-side, whereas in Taylor's, there were four...two in front and two in
                        the back. <<
                         
                        That's called set design based on what the script indicated. I really doubt they were that worried about set continuity when ESCAPE was in preproduction back in 1970/71.
                         
                         
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                        Group: pota Message: 49523 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
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                        I don't know. If Warner Brothers had taken that same advice, Batman (Dark Knight) wouldn't have been the success it is today after George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger killed Batman in that mega flop "Batman and Robin." :o)
                        There's an old saying. Once you hit rock bottom there's only one direction, and that's UP. :o)
                         
                        I believe under the right direction, a Conquest remake can be another Dark Knight. The only question that remains, is Fox willing to be as daring as Waner Brothers was with Batman?
                         
                        Al 
                         

                         


                        From: "LordTZer0@..." <LordTZer0@...>
                        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:33:27 AM
                        Subject: Re: [pota] "Genesis: Apes"

                         
                        I rather it stay in Development Hell then be released as
                        a bigger Bomb then that Alpha Omega of Tim Burton's.
                         
                         
                         
                        In a message dated 11/1/2008 6:11:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, kalel_x20@yahoo. com writes:
                        I'll be honest. I hope the writer of the article is right and Genesis does sit on a shelf somewhere forever.




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                        Group: pota Message: 49524 From: Todd Mcwilliams Date: 11/3/2008
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                        Hi,
                         
                            Is there anywhere on the POTA Board (Files, etc) that has a place to list related items to trade or sell, such as model kits, etc? I have a couple of POTA built models to sell and wondered if anyone else has kits they want to trade or sell.
                         
                        Thanks - Todd
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                        Group: pota Message: 49525 From: Todd Mcwilliams Date: 11/3/2008
                        Subject: Re: New Kid on the Block....
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                          Thanks!!
                           
                          Todd
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: zasco1957
                          Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 5:14 AM
                          Subject: Re: [pota] New Kid on the Block....

                          Welcome to the group, Todd.
                           
                          Zach   
                           
                          -------Original Message----- --
                           
                          Date: 11/2/2008 4:08:03 PM
                          Subject: [pota] New Kid on the Block....
                           

                          Hi All, New Kid here (well older really)! LOL's!! Name is Todd. I've
                          always had interest in the POTA movies since seeing the very first one
                          in the theaters. My main interest is painting and weathering the ADDAR
                          and Polar Lights model kits. Main interests are building model cars and
                          trucks, Sci-Fi and figures. Pretty far-reaching interests. POTA is one
                          of the many!

                          Thanks - Todd

                           
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                          Group: pota Message: 49526 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/3/2008
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                            Sorry, I don't have faith in Fox. Their idea of a sequel is "Alien vs. Predator" (or "Garfield 2"). And "Dark Knight" is an exception. Audiences want "High School Musical 3".
                            The biggest joke of all is that at Thanksgiving Tom Rothman is going to tell us why POTA is a classic. If he actually KNEW then maybe we'd get a good "Apes".
                                                                                Mr. Cynical
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Alex Ruiz
                          Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:53 AM
                          Subject: Re: [pota] "Genesis: Apes"

                          I don't know. If Warner Brothers had taken that same advice, Batman (Dark Knight) wouldn't have been the success it is today after George Clooney and Arnold Schwarzenegger killed Batman in that mega flop "Batman and Robin." :o)
                          There's an old saying. Once you hit rock bottom there's only one direction, and that's UP. :o)
                           
                          I believe under the right direction, a Conquest remake can be another Dark Knight. The only question that remains, is Fox willing to be as daring as Waner Brothers was with Batman?
                           
                          Al 
                           

                           


                          From: "LordTZer0@AOL. com" <LordTZer0@AOL. com>
                          To: pota@yahoogroups. com
                          Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 2:33:27 AM
                          Subject: Re: [pota] "Genesis: Apes"

                           
                          I rather it stay in Development Hell then be released as
                          a bigger Bomb then that Alpha Omega of Tim Burton's.
                           
                           
                           
                          In a message dated 11/1/2008 6:11:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, kalel_x20@yahoo. com writes:
                          I'll be honest. I hope the writer of the article is right and Genesis does sit on a shelf somewhere forever.




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                          Group: pota Message: 49527 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/3/2008
                          Subject: blu-ray
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                          POTA Blu-ray set is pictured in the Best Buy weekly flier as being for $99.00. I ordered from Amazon for $91 but there was some wondering if BB would have it for less than normal price on the shelves.
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                          Group: pota Message: 49528 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 11/3/2008
                          Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
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                            funny..he's not wearing it in this pic...


                            --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

                            > From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
                            > Subject: [pota] Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
                            > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 11:54 PM
                            > That would be VERY cool if they are. I was wondering how I
                            > was going to
                            > see the extended cut of CONQUEST.
                            >
                            > BTW- on a slightly different topic- click on the Fox Movie
                            > Channel link
                            > below and look at the photo they have up for BATTLE.
                            > I've seen that image
                            > before online somewhat recently, and always wondered about
                            > the jacket
                            > MacDonald was wearing. Do we see that in the film? Seem
                            > kind of strange
                            > he'd be wearing a jacket in the desert.
                            >
                            >
                            > Chris L.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > "Alex Ruiz" <pota1968@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > >>It seems that they are. The description says:
                            > "Extended Cut" for both
                            > Conquest and Battle. <<
                            >
                            >
                            > "angelofmusic2112"
                            > <angelofmusic2112@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > >>Do you guys think that Fox will be running the
                            > extended blu-ray
                            > version of CONQUEST? It seems that they will be. Please,
                            > please, please.
                            > <<
                            >
                            >
                            > Alex (again):
                            >
                            > >>The Fox Movie Channel will be showing 2 specials on
                            > Thanksgiving:
                            > "Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes" and
                            > "Evolution of the Apes" (the blu-ray
                            > special)
                            >
                            > Here's the complete lineup:
                            > http://www.foxmoviechannel.com/event/ <<
                            >
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                            Group: pota Message: 49529 From: drhasslein Date: 11/3/2008
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                            I thought you were the person who said it was. Looking at a comparison
                            photo, it isn't.

                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > It's from a KISS tour.
                            >
                            > I don't believe it was. One person posted here and said that the
                            > statue he saw in KISSology resembled the one on eBay. But I don't
                            > think it was the same one. For starters, the KISS "Statue of Liberty"
                            > was more than 20 feet tall, which I don't remember the eBay one being.
                            > It also had a face that broke off, revealing a skull underneath:
                            >
                            > http://www.kissfanshop.de/KissTours/1992USA.htm
                            >
                            > Hunter
                            >
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                            Group: pota Message: 49530 From: gp3085 Date: 11/3/2008
                            Subject: Re: Fox Movie Channel goes 'Apes'
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                            Monsters HD is part of the VOOM group of HD channels and is owned by
                            Cablevision. The channels are exclusively available on Cablevision
                            systems and were available on Dish Network until recently.

                            I had Mosters HD and all of the other VOOM channels until a few
                            months ago when Cablevision moved the channels to SDV so that my
                            Cable Card equipped TiVo could no longer tune and record them. I
                            thought Monsters was the best of the channels, but like the others
                            it showed the same things over and over.

                            Greg P.

                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            > I'm pretty sure it's like the Anime Network.
                            > Only available in select areas. You have to
                            > call your local provider and request it and hope
                            > enough people in your local area do the same.
                            > .
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > In a message dated 11/2/2008 7:17:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
                            > pota1968@... writes:
                            >
                            > I have HD Direct TV. No Monsters HD here.
                            >
                            > Al
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                            Group: pota Message: 49531 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 11/3/2008
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                            Man- Always love whn Hunter and other Simian brothers and sisters Chime in with KISS knowledge in the context of POTA! <gene simmons demon hand sign!>

                            On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:57 AM, drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:

                            I thought you were the person who said it was. Looking at a comparison
                            photo, it isn't.

                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > > It's from a KISS tour.
                            >
                            > I don't believe it was. One person posted here and said that the
                            > statue he saw in KISSology resembled the one on eBay. But I don't
                            > think it was the same one. For starters, the KISS "Statue of Liberty"
                            > was more than 20 feet tall, which I don't remember the eBay one being.
                            > It also had a face that broke off, revealing a skull underneath:
                            >
                            > http://www.kissfanshop.de/KissTours/1992USA.htm
                            >
                            > Hunter
                            >




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                            Group: pota Message: 49532 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/3/2008
                            Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
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                            > I thought you were the person who said it was. Looking at a comparison
                            > photo, it isn't.

                            No, I never said it was, I just provided clarification in the
                            original thread about which KISS tour it was.

                            Hunter
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                            Group: pota Message: 49533 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
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                            BTW- on a slightly different topic- click on the Fox Movie Channel link below and look at the photo they have up for BATTLE. I've seen that image before online somewhat recently, and always wondered about the jacket MacDonald was wearing. Do we see that in the film? Seem kind of strange he'd be wearing a jacket in the desert.
                            Chris L.

                            That's a behind the scenes photo, and BATTLE was shot in the winter of 1973, and even in LA, it gets cold in winter.

                            -- Rory



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                            Group: pota Message: 49534 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
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                            The biggest joke of all is that at Thanksgiving Tom Rothman is going to tell us why POTA is a classic. If he actually KNEW then maybe we'd get a good "Apes".
                            Mr. Cynical
                            Yeah, I've watched several of these "Tom Rothman Introductions." The guy is kind of a nebbish. Maybe he could explain the whole "Playhouse Video" thing in the eighties?

                            -- Rory



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                            Group: pota Message: 49535 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
                            Subject: Genesis: Apes
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                            Ain't It Cool News has some discussion on this subject:

                            http://aintitcool.com/node/38964
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                            Group: pota Message: 49536 From: drhasslein Date: 11/3/2008
                            Subject: Re: Thanksgiving Weekend Lineup!
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                            I suppose just like the lobby card where France Nuyen is wearing her
                            winter coat.

                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > BTW- on a slightly different topic- click on the Fox Movie Channel
                            link
                            > below and look at the photo they have up for BATTLE. I've seen that
                            image before
                            > online somewhat recently, and always wondered about the jacket
                            MacDonald was
                            > wearing. Do we see that in the film? Seem kind of strange he'd be
                            wearing a
                            > jacket in the desert.
                            >

                            >
                            > Chris L.

                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > http://www.foxmoviechannel.com/event/%c3%82%c2%a0<<
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > That's a behind the scenes photo, and BATTLE was shot in the winter
                            of 1973, and even in LA, it gets cold in winter.
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                            >
                            >
                            > -- Rory
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                            Group: pota Message: 49537 From: knightangel314 Date: 11/3/2008
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                            --- That's a different ep from the musical thing right? I can't get
                            that out of my head now since watching the documentary lol

                            Mel

                            In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
                            >
                            > They just had a "commercial" in the Simpsons where Taylor and Nova
                            ride the
                            > horse along the beach and instead of the Statue of Liberty it's a
                            giant can of
                            > Buzz Beer in the sand.
                            >
                            > Bruce
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                            Group: pota Message: 49538 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
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                            For those who ordered from Amazon.com, I just received an e-mail confirmation that my Apes Boxset order was shipped out today.
                            Expected to arrive on the 5th (wednesday). I ordered it with 2 day shipping. Price was $91.95 complete total $98.93
                             
                            So if anyone ordered, be expecting a confirmation soon from Amazon.
                            I ordered back in late september.
                             
                            Al
                             

                             

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                            Group: pota Message: 49539 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
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                            For those who ordered from Amazon.com, I just received an e-mail confirmation that my Apes Boxset order was shipped out today.
                            Expected to arrive on the 5th (wednesday). I ordered it with 2 day shipping. Price was $91.95 complete total $98.93
                            So if anyone ordered, be expecting a confirmation soon from Amazon.
                            I ordered back in late september.
                            Al
                            I got the same email about an hour ago, but it said mine would arrive on the 4th!

                            I'll believe that when I see it, but if it does come I'll be checking it out while I check out if Obama is President yet.

                            Al, I'll bet you'll be dropping by Best Buy tomorrow, just to have a look.

                            -- Rory



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                            Group: pota Message: 49540 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
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                            I'm watching this thing right now on G4.

                            The Apemania people are pretty obnoxious, as usual, and so is the show. No mention yet of the Blu-ray release.

                            -- Rory
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                            Group: pota Message: 49541 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/3/2008
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                            Amazon is selling the Panasonic Blu-ray player I got for just $248.97 now. If you're still on the fence, you might want to check it out.
                            http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000Y634SU?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealt52003-20&linkCode=asn
                            -- Rory



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                            Group: pota Message: 49542 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
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                            Oh for sure!
                            I'm still considering buying the single discs as well. If I wait later for the prices to drop while having the boxset, most likely they'll only drop from $29.99 to $24.99 each (not much of a drop) so most likely I'll be picking up the single discs at Best Buy tomorrow. I'm not rich but since I rarely buy blu-rays, I guess I can afford too. :o)
                             
                            Al


                            From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 7:08:35 PM
                            Subject: [pota] Re: Amazon confirms


                            For those who ordered from Amazon.com, I just received an e-mail confirmation that my Apes Boxset order was shipped out today.
                            Expected to arrive on the 5th (wednesday). I ordered it with 2 day shipping. Price was $91.95 complete total $98.93
                             
                            So if anyone ordered, be expecting a confirmation soon from Amazon.
                            I ordered back in late september.
                             
                            Al
                            I got the same email about an hour ago, but it said mine would arrive on the 4th!

                            I'll believe that when I see it, but if it does come I'll be checking it out while I check out if Obama is President yet.

                            Al, I'll bet you'll be dropping by Best Buy tomorrow, just to have a look.

                            -- Rory




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                            Group: pota Message: 49543 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 11/3/2008
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                            It was okay. The blu-ray promo lasted about 5 minutes.
                            But overall I thought the show went well, good funny moments with Apemania. :o)
                             
                            The show will be over in 10 minutes or so.
                             
                            Al


                            From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 7:14:40 PM
                            Subject: [pota] Attack of the Show

                            I'm watching this thing right now on G4.


                            The Apemania people are pretty obnoxious, as usual, and so is the show.  No mention yet of the Blu-ray release.

                            -- Rory

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                            Group: pota Message: 49544 From: Jeff K. Date: 11/3/2008
                            Subject: digitalbits review in the morn
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                             Bill Hunt of www.thedigitalbits.com is checking out the Blu-Rays tonight and says the review will be up tomorrow morning. A pretty good site. I'd like to hear what they have to say.
                             
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                            Group: pota Message: 49545 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/4/2008
                            Subject: Re: Statue of Liberty Head Controversy
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                            I like that T-shirt.
                            You know the one.
                             
                             
                            In a message dated 11/3/2008 12:39:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, billhollweg@... writes:
                            Man- Always love whn Hunter and other Simian brothers and sisters Chime in with KISS knowledge in the context of POTA!



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