*** But how do you know he only called him by that name privately? There's
no proof that he didn't use that name publicly when announcing Caesar's
circus act or even when referring to him to the circus hands, etc... ***


In a message dated 11/13/2010 7:01:24 AM Central Standard Time,
apecalypsenow@... writes:

> "Caesar" --- CANON: Armando called him that way privately.

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*** That would involve cropping some of the top and bottom of the picture
wouldn't it?


In a message dated 11/13/2010 7:25:36 AM Central Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> A Blu-Ray version of the TV series would be great but only if they did a
> true HD conversion and reformat the series for the 16:9 aspect ratio like
> they did with Seinfeld.
>

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*** I'm reminded of the hideous pullover masks every time I watch the films
and TV series... (Worse yet is ESCAPE where I'm forced to look at even
worse looking "B" movie gorilla and chimp)... If people don't notice or have
forgotten the pullovers, more power to them... But all it'd take is one glimpse
of the pullovers and a lot of people would start in on how "cheap"/"gaudy",
etc. they think it all is... ***


In a message dated 11/13/2010 7:25:39 AM Central Standard Time,
grayw73@... writes:

> I do remember the scenes of cheap rubber masks to cut costs in one movie
> which at the time you wouldn't notice, but perhaps some people have
> forgotten, it's entertainment and escapism, suspend your belief and enjoy!

</HTML>

*** Not playing around with semantics, just pointing out that even if he
tied it in as far as apes dominating, there's no proof that the fate of
everything would be the same... Example: 2670 AD is the start of BATTLE and I
don't see that Lawgiver writing Sacred Scrolls that warn against humanity as the
original Lawgiver would have been doing at roughly the same time (as stated
in PLANET)... To me, it's still all open ended and Caesar's tears are
ambiguous because too much had changed in timeline two to say it'll all play out
exactly the same. (But I don't declare that as fact, just my opinion.)



In a message dated 11/13/2010 7:30:24 AM Central Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> With all due respect, you seem to be playing around with semantics to
> prove that he said something he didn't say. What he said was pretty straight
> forward and it was very clear what he meant.

</HTML>

*** When first announced, they said the TV series set was going to include
promos, etc. and they didn't deliver... I'd guess they have that stuff, just
didn't include it, so there'd be some extras right there... ***


In a message dated 11/13/2010 9:29:43 AM Central Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> Who says they have to include any extras? They didn't include extras when
> the TV series was released on DVD.
>

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*** Well said... ***


In a message dated 11/13/2010 11:38:17 AM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> I don't believe it's "canon" that the original APES film series is a
> timeloop. Anything that Dehn wrote or said outside the scripts (as shot)
> doesn't pertain to the series itself.
>
> BATTLE, either with the theatrical version or the extended version, makes
> it ambiguous as to what the future holds
>

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*** I don't think Caesar's name is on the flyer, but that's something worth
checking... But if there's a name on there (other than Armando's), it sure
isn't Salomon... ***


In a message dated 11/13/2010 12:29:33 PM Central Standard Time,
apefan23@... writes:

> Is Salomon used on the flier handed out for Armando's circus? I've missed
> this over the years for some reason.....where "is it written" that he was
> called "Salomon" growing up????
>

</HTML>

The cheap rubber/pullover masks are used in the background, and they are UNNOTICEABLE and look detailed nonetheless.
Do not nitpick. These movies are perfect. Love you all!

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** I'm reminded of the hideous pullover masks every time I watch the films
> and TV series... (Worse yet is ESCAPE where I'm forced to look at even
> worse looking "B" movie gorilla and chimp)... If people don't notice or have
> forgotten the pullovers, more power to them... But all it'd take is one glimpse
> of the pullovers and a lot of people would start in on how "cheap"/"gaudy",
> etc. they think it all is... ***
>
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2010 7:25:39 AM Central Standard Time,
> grayw73@... writes:
>
>
> > I do remember the scenes of cheap rubber masks to cut costs in one movie
> > which at the time you wouldn't notice, but perhaps some people have
> > forgotten, it's entertainment and escapism, suspend your belief and enjoy!
>
> </HTML>
>

What if RISE depictes what happens to Earth before Thade would arrive from the future? That should explain the very ending of the 2001 movie, IMHO.

Not written anywhere. It's my theory.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Is Salomon used on the flier handed out for Armando's circus? I've missed this
> over the years for some reason.....where "is it written" that he was called
> "Salomon" growing up????
>
> Tim
>

A remainder about my work:

(go to the Database)
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/Apecalypse_Now/

Apelines 1 & 2 were issued on the POTA fanzine, #46 and #47. I'm revising some other stuff.

Tizzy

The name "Salomon" is Tizzy's creation, Tim. You're not going crazy. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Is Salomon used on the flier handed out for Armando's circus? I've missed this
> over the years for some reason.....where "is it written" that he was called
> "Salomon" growing up????
>
> Tim
>

POTA2001 takes place in 2029, while RISE will take place in 2009. If they were in the same universe (making RISE Leo Davidson's world 20 years prior), then humanity in Leo's time would be well aware of the ape revolution that began 20 years earlier. As such, they wouldn't be using apes on the Oberon, and Leo wouldn't be so floored by the idea of intelligent apes. Therefore, I think it's pretty clear that RISE nad POTA2001 can not be in the same universe.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
> What if RISE depictes what happens to Earth before Thade would arrive from the future? That should explain the very ending of the 2001 movie, IMHO.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:

>
> What if RISE depictes what happens to Earth before Thade would arrive from the future? That should explain the very ending of the 2001 movie, IMHO.
>

Yeah, to some degree I think this idea could help tie *some* loose ends. If I remember, Leo arrives back on Earth about a hundred or so years later from when he left it (the time counter seems to suggest so, but that's not something that can say for certain, because it could well have continued on after we lose sight of it). I can't imagine that the only genetically modified apes lived on that space station, some could have been created on Earth and used for other tasks. If these apes begin to get more intelligent and also rebellious, then Thade's arrival has more impact.

However, I don't think that Rise will be tied in with Burton's film, and the reasons for genetically modifying them seems different for each film, but it's still an interesting idea for the sake of it. Still, this is all theorising (naturally), but I do like the idea and feel it helps "solve" a problem... or partly.


Graham F

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*** Constructive criticism is not nitpicking, those pullovers look bad...
Even Kim Hunter herself said that "You could tell the difference like that"
meaning anyone could tell a pullover at a mile away ... Besides people ARE
entitled to their own opinions... And if you can't tell a pullover, even if
in the background, perhaps you need to adjust your TV or get some glasses? ***



In a message dated 11/13/2010 7:56:00 PM Central Standard Time,
apecalypsenow@... writes:

> The cheap rubber/pullover masks are used in the background, and they are
> UNNOTICEABLE and look detailed nonetheless.
> Do not nitpick. These movies are perfect.

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Read my POTA 2001 timeline at the Apecalypse Now group. Leo doesn't "come back" to 2029 AD at all.
See his time-clock carefully, my friend... ;)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> POTA2001 takes place in 2029, while RISE will take place in 2009. If they were in the same universe (making RISE Leo Davidson's world 20 years prior), then humanity in Leo's time would be well aware of the ape revolution that began 20 years earlier. As such, they wouldn't be using apes on the Oberon, and Leo wouldn't be so floored by the idea of intelligent apes. Therefore, I think it's pretty clear that RISE nad POTA2001 can not be in the same universe.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@> wrote:
> > What if RISE depictes what happens to Earth before Thade would arrive from the future? That should explain the very ending of the 2001 movie, IMHO.
> >
>

> Well, they don't lope off the tops of people's heads.

You seem to be assuming that they'll actually take the time to process
them frame by frame. I've seen plenty of shows that have just been
cropped without regard to what's actually on screen....

Hunter

I **CAN** tell a pullover mask, but it's in the background, it's unnoticeable, nobody cares about it, the "main" make-up is astonishing and wonderful still today.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Constructive criticism is not nitpicking, those pullovers look bad...
> Even Kim Hunter herself said that "You could tell the difference like that"
> meaning anyone could tell a pullover at a mile away ... Besides people ARE
> entitled to their own opinions... And if you can't tell a pullover, even if
> in the background, perhaps you need to adjust your TV or get some glasses? ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/13/2010 7:56:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@... writes:
>
>
> > The cheap rubber/pullover masks are used in the background, and they are
> > UNNOTICEABLE and look detailed nonetheless.
> > Do not nitpick. These movies are perfect.
>
> </HTML>
>

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True 100%.

Caesar saved the world.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> IMHO, the creature stands alone from the creator. You can judge the series independently from what Dehn had in his mind at the time. The later movies HEAVILY suggest a different scenario, despite the basic intentions of their creator.
>
>
>
> Dehn supposedly rewrote all the dialogue that ended up in the filmed BATTLE, so why then does he have Virgil say the things he says if the future is supposed to turn out just as it did in BENEATH?
>

Rewrite, reimagine, reboot. It is all the same thing. That doesn't change the story that the original films were telling. And like the 2001 film, Rise will take place in an alternate POTA timeline/universe.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Paul Dehn would disagree with you.
>
>
> Fox is in the process of re-writing Dehn, and YOU, James, are about to enter.... an alternate timeline!
>

For the Seinfeld conversions they didn't crop anything. They went back to the original film stock and reformated it the wider screen.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, they haven't "reformatted" (meaning crop the original 1.33:1 frame to 16X9) on shows like the original "Star Trek" or "The Prisoner" on Blu-ray, and I don't think Fox would do it to the APES TV series, but they are doing it to old TV shows and sitcoms (I've watched an HD conversion of "Cheers" on HD-NET), and I've read that's what's going to be done to all the modern "Star Trek" shows.
>

I agree with you about Battle. But if a new timeline is created, it is created by Caesar's actions in Battle and not before.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't believe it's "canon" that the original APES film series is a timeloop. Anything that Dehn wrote or said outside the scripts (as shot) doesn't pertain to the series itself.
>
> BATTLE, either with the theatrical version or the extended version, makes it ambiguous as to what the future holds.
>
> James, you don't know about the future! (Pulling his hair and pushing him down!)
>

I don't think you can totally seperate the intentions of the writer or creator. You may watch the movie 'Dr. Strangelove' and think it is advocating nuclear war, but you're interpetation doesn't suplant the intentions of the film's creators. It just means you didn't get it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> IMHO, the creature stands alone from the creator. You can judge the series independently from what Dehn had in his mind at the time. The later movies HEAVILY suggest a different scenario, despite the basic intentions of their creator.
>
>

Not if they go back to the original 35MM film stock.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
>
> Nor should they!!! Unless the show was shot with 16x9 in mind (like
> BABYLON 5 was), it should be left as 4x3!! Otherwise, you end up
> lopping off the tops of people's heads, etc.
>
> Hunter
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>
> Is Salomon used on the flier handed out for Armando's circus?

>
> Tim
>

Nope

To give Caesar dramatic motivation for his actions later in the film. And again we're talking about an alternate timeline being created in Battle, which I've never disputed is possible.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Dehn supposedly rewrote all the dialogue that ended up in the filmed BATTLE, so why then does he have Virgil say the things he says if the future is supposed to turn out just as it did in BENEATH?
>

For Seinfeld the went back to the original 35MM film stock and completely reformatted. The should be able to do that for any series shot on film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** That would involve cropping some of the top and bottom of the picture
> wouldn't it?
>
>

You mean the same Lawgiver who talked about 'evil men who betrayed God's trust'.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Not playing around with semantics, just pointing out that even if he
> tied it in as far as apes dominating, there's no proof that the fate of
> everything would be the same... Example: 2670 AD is the start of BATTLE and I
> don't see that Lawgiver writing Sacred Scrolls that warn against humanity as the
> original Lawgiver would have been doing at roughly the same time (as stated
> in PLANET)... To me, it's still all open ended and Caesar's tears are
> ambiguous because too much had changed in timeline two to say it'll all play out
> exactly the same. (But I don't declare that as fact, just my opinion.)
>

Or maybe the promos were produced, and thus owned, by CBS. So FOX would have to pay CBS for the right to use them and they are too cheap to do that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** When first announced, they said the TV series set was going to include
> promos, etc. and they didn't deliver... I'd guess they have that stuff, just
> didn't include it, so there'd be some extras right there... ***
>
>

What is that?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
>
>
> hey does this ship looks familiar
>

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Yes before, science says so. There are no shades of grey when coming to time travelling. Or it's a CASUAL LOOP meant to be ruled by the Predestination Paradox, so Cornelius and Zira always were supposed to be in 1973, or it's an alteration FROM THE MOMENT their ship appeared in 1973.

Caesar living and operating in BATTLE is just a by-product of the time misplacement, which wasn't supposed to happen in the original outcome of the timeline.

For instance, some of the events which originated the earlier Nuclear War in the nineties, 200 years before, were caused by Cornelius and Zira, when they brought to the death of the "evil scientist" and the fall of the president (conjecture).


Tizzy

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with you about Battle. But if a new timeline is created, it is
> created by Caesar's actions in Battle and not before.
>

Hell yes.

Unfortuntely, most of the eighties series were shot on video. Or better, shot on film, then transferred on video for heavy post-production job. Original film elements, which featured incomplete and flawed versions, were destroyed.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> For Seinfeld the went back to the original 35MM film stock and
> completely reformatted. The should be able to do that for any series
> shot on film.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > *** That would involve cropping some of the top and bottom of the
> picture
> > wouldn't it?
> >
> >
>

First Caesar was named caesar since a child and that was his professional name also. Milo was his birth name and if Armando called him that who knows? Salome was the Chimp caesar replaced after the chimp became swiss chess and Caesar was probably called Salome for legal reasons to authorities who came calling after Cornelius and Zira were murdered and was done that way in Escape if you remember. Since a chimp named Salome was regestered to Armando shortly before everyone was killed in Escape, it makes sense.
The TV series was ofcourse shot on 35mm film and weather the original elements are still around, knowing FOX, I bet they are. They could transfer it two ways ...Pillar Box where their are black bars on the sides only for the 1.37 academy ratio. They could also do 1.78.1 for Hi def TV specs with black bars on top and bottom of the film transfer and would not be noticable on most Hidef TVs but some info would be lost but it wouldnt be that much since most cameras had safe action areas for this ratio even then, so its possible to do it without any detriment to the stories.
I might go Pillar box so nothing is lost, but that changes everyday for my taste. 1.78.1 would look alittle more cinematic. Whatever they do, I hope they release it on BluRay..Take care john

The Hi-Def 18:9 transfers of SPACE: 1999 for UK cablecast were tranfered shot by shot. Because the elements found were complete, even the titles, they were able to re-compose it for 16:9  I doubt any company here in the U.S. would go to that trouble or expense. - Scott B. --- On Sun, 11/14/10, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote: From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Was the 1974 series shot on film, to begin with? To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 9:14 AM   > Well, they don't lope off the tops of people's heads. You seem to be assuming that they'll actually take the time to process them frame by frame. I've seen plenty of shows that have just been cropped without regard to what's actually on screen.... Hunter

*** Yes, the "main" makeups are still great even today, but I have to ask:
Can you seriously say that, for example in BENEATH, you can look at the
Ursus speech scene or when they show the army marching out of the city and they
have the camera pointed right at their faces, and say that you *CAN'T* tell
that those pullovers are noticeable???

And you are incorrect in your assumption that "nobody cares about it" (the
cheap look of the pullovers)... There are plenty of people that DO think
they look bad, cheap, highly noticeable, or whatever (even on the BEHIND
documentary, during Roddy's narrative, he says that the cost cutting pullovers
proved to be a little too obvious)... When I watch the films or TV series I can
spot one even when they're "in the background"... I don't let them get in
the way of enjoying the films, but I'm not going to pretend like I can't see
them.... ***




In a message dated 11/14/2010 7:46:58 AM Central Standard Time,
apecalypsenow@... writes:

> I **CAN** tell a pullover mask, but it's in the background, it's
> unnoticeable, nobody cares about it, the "main" make-up is astonishing and
> wonderful still today.

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*** The BATTLE Lawgiver is not condemning the entire race of humanity... If
he was, there wouldn't be humans in his "audience", he'd have had them
shunned and driven back into their jungle lair ...***




In a message dated 11/14/2010 8:46:51 AM Central Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> You mean the same Lawgiver who talked about 'evil men who betrayed God's
> trust'.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
> >
> > *** Not playing around with semantics, just pointing out that even if he
> > tied it in as far as apes dominating, there's no proof that the fate of
> > everything would be the same... Example: 2670 AD is the start of BATTLE
> and I
> > don't see that Lawgiver writing Sacred Scrolls that warn against
> humanity as the
> > original Lawgiver would have been doing at roughly the same time (as
> stated
> > in PLANET)... To me, it's still all open ended and Caesar's tears are
> > ambiguous because too much had changed in timeline two to say it'll all
> play out
> > exactly the same. (But I don't declare that as fact, just my opinion.)
> >
>
>

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*** Maybe they were, but the "previews" for the upcoming episode would have
been owned by FOX: They would have been part of the series they produced...
***



In a message dated 11/14/2010 8:49:06 AM Central Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> Or maybe the promos were produced, and thus owned, by CBS. So FOX would
> have to pay CBS for the right to use them and they are too cheap to do that.

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*** Zira switched the babies before they took off from the circus... The
police came calling to search the circus before Zira and Cornelius were killed
at the shipyard... ***



In a message dated 11/14/2010 3:22:49 PM Central Standard Time,
johnmermigas@... writes:

> Salome was the Chimp caesar replaced after the chimp became swiss chess
> and Caesar was probably called Salome for legal reasons to authorities who
> came calling after Cornelius and Zira were murdered and was done that way in
> Escape if you remember.

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Interesting theory. Can you cite one line of dialogue from any of the films that directly supports it? Because if it is not mentioned at least by one line of dialogue, it is NOT an element of the story.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> Yes before, science says so. There are no shades of grey when coming to time travelling. Or it's a CASUAL LOOP meant to be ruled by the Predestination Paradox, so Cornelius and Zira always were supposed to be in 1973, or it's an alteration FROM THE MOMENT their ship appeared in 1973.
>
> Caesar living and operating in BATTLE is just a by-product of the time misplacement, which wasn't supposed to happen in the original outcome of the timeline.
>
> For instance, some of the events which originated the earlier Nuclear War in the nineties, 200 years before, were caused by Cornelius and Zira, when they brought to the death of the "evil scientist" and the fall of the president (conjecture).
>
>
> Tizzy
>
>

Or maybe his writings were misinterpeted by extremists over the centuries to condemn the entire human race.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** The BATTLE Lawgiver is not condemning the entire race of humanity... If
> he was, there wouldn't be humans in his "audience", he'd have had them
> shunned and driven back into their jungle lair ...***
>

Are you 100% sure about that?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Maybe they were, but the "previews" for the upcoming episode would have
> been owned by FOX: They would have been part of the series they produced...
> ***
>

Very cool William! Do you know where that was done or by whom?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, i found a sand castle made in california july 26, 2010 . enjoy from william burge
>

I uploaded a copy to the Photos section for anyone who wants a copy: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/2042608613/pic/1654564521/view?picmode=medium&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=101&dir=asc

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> thanks James.....couldn't find that on my computer.....
>
>

Interesting. According to this site it was tested between 1968 and 1973: http://www.ninfinger.org/models/stratosphere/fdl5_announce.html" I wonder if they were concerned that something so similar to their design was in a movie.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
> the ship is the lockheed FDL-5MA, google it
>

SINCE Milo Junior/Caesar is obviously a MALE chimp, Armando could have declared they got the sex of "Salome" totally wrong at the birth, and just legally re-named him "SALOMON" = which, as Solomon, is the male counterpart to "Salome".

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> First Caesar was named caesar since a child and that was his professional name also. Milo was his birth name and if Armando called him that who knows? Salome was the Chimp caesar replaced after the chimp became swiss chess and Caesar was probably called Salome for legal reasons to authorities who came calling after Cornelius and Zira were murdered and was done that way in Escape if you remember. Since a chimp named Salome was regestered to Armando shortly before everyone was killed in Escape, it makes sense.
> The TV series was ofcourse shot on 35mm film and weather the original elements are still around, knowing FOX, I bet they are. They could transfer it two ways ...Pillar Box where their are black bars on the sides only for the 1.37 academy ratio. They could also do 1.78.1 for Hi def TV specs with black bars on top and bottom of the film transfer and would not be noticable on most Hidef TVs but some info would be lost but it wouldnt be that much since most cameras had safe action areas for this ratio even then, so its possible to do it without any detriment to the stories.
> I might go Pillar box so nothing is lost, but that changes everyday for my taste. 1.78.1 would look alittle more cinematic. Whatever they do, I hope they release it on BluRay..Take care john
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
> It's already been said that RISE is a "prequel/reboot" to the original film.
>
> The only connection between RISE and the 2001 debacle is that they're both produced by the gonzo modern 20th Century Fox.
>

Sure, I know, I just liked the idea. Maybe I should have phrased my post better.


Graham F

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If Milo/Salomon (= Salome) was known as "Caesar" in a public/professional way, it would heave been stupid from his part to chose the name "Caesar" when Kolp gave him the book... I mean, he IS SUPPOSED to be a "normal" humanoid ape like every other humanoid ape in the nineties...

So it's very unlikely Armando used "Caesar" as his professional name.

Tizzy

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> SINCE Milo Junior/Caesar is obviously a MALE chimp, Armando could have declared they got the sex of "Salome" totally wrong at the birth, and just legally re-named him "SALOMON" = which, as Solomon, is the male counterpart to "Salome".
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:

>
> SINCE Milo Junior/Caesar is obviously a MALE chimp, Armando could have declared they got the sex of "Salome" totally wrong at the birth, and just legally re-named him "SALOMON" = which, as Solomon, is the male counterpart to "Salome".
>

Sorry, but how would he justify getting the sex wrong of a baby chimpanzee? I mean, it's not as if it's not obvious what sex a baby chimpanzee would be when it's born. They're fairly similar to human babies in that department, give or take a bit.


Graham F

OR Armando just made-up new (fake) documents pretending he had always been a MALE. Simple.
He had no alternative choice. Salomon or die.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@> wrote:
> >
> > SINCE Milo Junior/Caesar is obviously a MALE chimp, Armando could have declared they got the sex of "Salome" totally wrong at the birth, and just legally re-named him "SALOMON" = which, as Solomon, is the male counterpart to "Salome".
> >
>
> Sorry, but how would he justify getting the sex wrong of a baby chimpanzee? I mean, it's not as if it's not obvious what sex a baby chimpanzee would be when it's born. They're fairly similar to human babies in that department, give or take a bit.
>
>
> Graham F
>

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Forget Christmas; it's beginning to look a lot like Summer 2011.

There's the "Green Lantern", which opens a week before "Apes". There's already a poster and a teaser trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCEcYg3lNRY

And the studio even sent out "power rings" to certain folks who run web sites:

http://www.collider.com/2010/11/18/green-lantern-power-ring-ferris-aircraft-case/

There's also a teaser trailer for "Cars 2", which opens opposite "Apes":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFTfAdauCOo

Not to mention "Harry Potter", which as you know opens tonight at 12:01 midnightish and is already being predicted to make $ 130 million this weekend. That's the best kind of publicity. The final flick opens next summer a couple of weeksish after "Apes".

So when will Fox beat their chest like a gorilla and get with the program? I want my teaser trailer! And an announcement on who is doing the music. And it better be someone good. FOX!

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For those who feel ripped off, here's the "Green Lantern" trailer (the other link was removed):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NWGI_A3660

Oh, and there's also a teaser for next summer's "Cowboys and Aliens".

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/47484

Can't say I don't take care of you. ; )

This one will work. >: (

http://www.collider.com/2010/11/16/green-lantern-trailer/

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Green Lanyern has to be total crap, by definition, because it's DC.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Forget Christmas; it's beginning to look a lot like Summer 2011.
>
> There's the "Green Lantern", which opens a week before "Apes". There's already a poster and a teaser trailer:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCEcYg3lNRY
>
> And the studio even sent out "power rings" to certain folks who run web sites:
>
> http://www.collider.com/2010/11/18/green-lantern-power-ring-ferris-aircraft-case/
>
> There's also a teaser trailer for "Cars 2", which opens opposite "Apes":
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFTfAdauCOo
>
> Not to mention "Harry Potter", which as you know opens tonight at 12:01 midnightish and is already being predicted to make $ 130 million this weekend. That's the best kind of publicity. The final flick opens next summer a couple of weeksish after "Apes".
>
> So when will Fox beat their chest like a gorilla and get with the program? I want my teaser trailer! And an announcement on who is doing the music. And it better be someone good. FOX!
>

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The new "Harry Potter" film opens today and one of the regulars, Tom Felton, has commented on his role in "Rise of the Apes". Once again he says, "It's definitely one of the best scripts I've ever read" and notes of his relationship to the apes, "I torture them with a whole host of weapons".
H-h-h-h-have p-p-pity! Would make a good teaser trailer, especially before "Harry Potter". ; )

http://jam.canoe.ca/Movies/2010/11/18/16205886-wenn-story.html"

offeeC brewin at work and new Lawgiver wisdom! Gonna be yet another GREAT FRIDAY!

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:48 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

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In a message dated 11/18/2010 10:35:16 PM Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> I'll bet it's the CGI. It's taking time

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Fox's Neil Cavuto played a clip of a mutant from

Beneath today on his show, suggesting that

Nancy Pelosi was using mind powers to

beam her will into Obama and Reid.  I

think she just took them into a room

and pulled that mask off and relieved

her "In-Most-Self" and scared them.

 

XD

 

 

In a message dated 11/18/2010 10:34:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:

 

Fox is slow but when they kick it into gear, they really do kick it into gear.

I've always loved their TV Trailer countdowns. In 3 days... In 2 days... In 1 day... TOMORROW!

 

And believe it or not, it'll be here that soon. Time that is.

 

Al

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BE PATIENT! Why is everybody like this ? It comes out in over 7 months. After Burtons Bull**** I learned good things come to those that wait. Do we know who doing the all important music yet?..Take care. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> Fox's Neil Cavuto played a clip of a mutant from
> Beneath today on his show, suggesting that
> Nancy Pelosi was using mind powers to
> beam her will into Obama and Reid. I
> think she just took them into a room
> and pulled that mask off and relieved
> her "In-Most-Self" and scared them.
>
> XD
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/18/2010 10:34:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> pota1968@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> Fox is slow but when they kick it into gear, they really do kick it into
> gear.
> I've always loved their TV Trailer countdowns. In 3 days... In 2 days...
> In 1 day... TOMORROW!
>
> And believe it or not, it'll be here that soon. Time that is.
>
> Al
>

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Here is a direct link to William's folder in the group's Photos section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1243400961/pic/list

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear david, if you go to the yahoo group of the photo section go to williams pics i have over 1236 photos in the photo section with alot of different planet and beneath photos you can make all the copies you want. sincerly william burge
>

Next month the Bleeding Lawgiver Statue from Beneath the Planet of the Apes goes on auction

http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-43/original-special-effects-bleeding-lawgiver-statue-from-beneath-the-planet-of-the-apes.html"

Has anyone seen that show on Sy Fy Channel, "Hollywood Treasures"? That's about those Profiles in History people. Probably how they found the statue will eventually appear on it.


From: psiworld
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 5:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] The Lawgiver Bleeds



Next month the Bleeding Lawgiver Statue from Beneath the Planet of the Apes goes on auction

http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/hollywood-memorabilia-auction-43/original-special-effects-bleeding-lawgiver-statue-from-beneath-the-planet-of-the-apes.html"

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What type of KONG stuff did they auction? The original stop motion figure?



In a message dated 11/20/2010 11:18:22 PM Central Standard Time,
pota1968@... writes:

> The King Kong auction went through the roof.

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The Lawgiver statue is a collectors item now(I have it). In the "OLD" days it took years and scarcity to collect any value, and a want by the public. I notice that as in the Apes stuff small numbers are available, quickly sell out and just like speacial edition CDs and LPs are taken off the market to create a supposed value. Its very sad. Release something in limited numbers, have it sell out, and all of a sudden its a collectable. A much different world.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I've seen a few episodes. The King Kong auction went through the roof.
> The lawgiver statue is pretty cool. Great find.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>

It was one of the planes. Peter Jackson has the King Kong, unless there's more than one.


From: mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:22 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Hollywood Treasures (OT)



What type of KONG stuff did they auction? The original stop motion figure?

In a message dated 11/20/2010 11:18:22 PM Central Standard Time,
pota1968@... writes:

> The King Kong auction went through the roof.

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I think they're talking about the statue used in the film, John. ; )


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 7:51 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: The Lawgiver Bleeds



The Lawgiver statue is a collectors item now(I have it). In the "OLD" days it took years and scarcity to collect any value, and a want by the public. I notice that as in the Apes stuff small numbers are available, quickly sell out and just like speacial edition CDs and LPs are taken off the market to create a supposed value. Its very sad. Release something in limited numbers, have it sell out, and all of a sudden its a collectable. A much different world.

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*** You're talking about the SIDESHOW Lawgiver statue, right?... You're not
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In a message dated 11/21/2010 10:54:35 AM Central Standard Time,
johnmermigas@... writes:

> The Lawgiver statue is a collectors item now(I have it).

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Looks like the PLANET LD have a shot from BENEATH as the cover? I've also
never seen these covers before. Are these an earlier U.S. release that
the versions that came out in the early 90's?

Chris L.