--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Great points Jeff. Battle was marketed as "The Final Chapter".
>
> Plus can we please dispense with the fiction that FOX was ready to make
> a sequel but Burton and the cast refused to do it. I've never heard of
> any attempt by FOX to make a sequel. I don't believe the ever even
> commissioned a script for it. If any of the cast made comments about not
> wanting to do a sequel, it was because they know that the first film
> sucked.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > There's no comparison between "Battle" and POTA2001. "Battle" came at
> the end of a long cycle of diminishing returns (mostly budget). If they
> do 4 sequels to "Rise" that'll be enough for me (unless # 5 really
> rocks).
> > They invested a lot of time and money to get POTA2001 "right". They
> didn't spend $ 100 million to support Burton's artistry. They wanted
> sequels. "Battle" was the end. POTA2001 was supposed to be the
> beginning.
> > I don't know if "Battle" is a better film but it's a better story.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> The new film has an incredible cast and technical crew from Peter Jackson's studios and if this fails its over--its over.It the Photo-realistic Apes look like the District 9 creatures it will go well. If they look like Avatar it will be comic and a major distraction.
>
>
> I agree, if this film is a failure, it's over.
>
> However, I expect the photo-realistic apes to be pretty good -- and frightening!
>
> What do you think you'd do if you suddenly found yourself in a room with an adult male chimpanzee? Even if he was nice, I'd want out of there fast!
>
> -- Rory
>

>
> dear group, here is my birthday tribute to ricardo montalban from william burge
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> There's no comparison between "Battle" and POTA2001. "Battle" came at the end of a long cycle of diminishing returns (mostly budget). If they do 4 sequels to "Rise" that'll be enough for me (unless # 5 really rocks).
> They invested a lot of time and money to get POTA2001 "right". They didn't spend $ 100 million to support Burton's artistry. They wanted sequels. "Battle" was the end. POTA2001 was supposed to be the beginning.
> I don't know if "Battle" is a better film but it's a better story.
>
>
>
>
> Here's the reason there was no sequel, and it had nothing to do with the critics, it was the money.
>
> POTA2001, when you factored in all the production and publicity budgets, cost Fox not $100 Million, but somewhere in the area of $200 Million. With that outlay, a return of $350 Million worldwide isn't that great. Fox had an immediate problem, how to produce a sequel that was bigger than the first, since that's what the public expects of sequels these days, but would cost the studio less to make than the first given its boxoffice prospects.
>
> It's taken the studio nearly a decade to solve the problem, which isn't all that surprising, and the solution was -- reboot -- only this time they're going with a more modestly budgeted film that, if successful enough, can logically expect a more elaborate sequel with a slightly higher budget, which is what I expect since an immediate sequel would be the war of supremacy between man and ape.
>
> It seems more thoughtful minds are behind this film than those back in 2000/2001, but we'll see.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Agree. It amazing that the 2002 Apes made the money it did. I was hoping it would and hoping a sequel would clean things up but it did not happen that way.
> Ten years later it took for the so called wounds to heal. It is very possiblw that the new Apes can be excellent but no one will go see it, and that frightning. Their have been many good movies in sci-fi that get ignored so im keeping my fingers crossed..John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > There's no comparison between "Battle" and POTA2001. "Battle" came at the end of a long cycle of diminishing returns (mostly budget). If they do 4 sequels to "Rise" that'll be enough for me (unless # 5 really rocks).
> > They invested a lot of time and money to get POTA2001 "right". They didn't spend $ 100 million to support Burton's artistry. They wanted sequels. "Battle" was the end. POTA2001 was supposed to be the beginning.
> > I don't know if "Battle" is a better film but it's a better story.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's the reason there was no sequel, and it had nothing to do with the critics, it was the money.
> >
> > POTA2001, when you factored in all the production and publicity budgets, cost Fox not $100 Million, but somewhere in the area of $200 Million. With that outlay, a return of $350 Million worldwide isn't that great. Fox had an immediate problem, how to produce a sequel that was bigger than the first, since that's what the public expects of sequels these days, but would cost the studio less to make than the first given its boxoffice prospects.
> >
> > It's taken the studio nearly a decade to solve the problem, which isn't all that surprising, and the solution was -- reboot -- only this time they're going with a more modestly budgeted film that, if successful enough, can logically expect a more elaborate sequel with a slightly higher budget, which is what I expect since an immediate sequel would be the war of supremacy between man and ape.
> >
> > It seems more thoughtful minds are behind this film than those back in 2000/2001, but we'll see.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>

> Whatever you want!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
> >
> > *** Whatever you say... Defining what you consider a martyr still
> doesn't
> > answer my question... Exactly what does the "Lawgiver on fire" scene in
> > BENEATH confirm? ***
>

> It's BACKGROUND (!!!) and it is UNNOTICEABLE. And actually, everything
> adds more seventies feel, if you know what I mean.

> I disagree with you about EVERYTHING (related to make-up), but I still
> love you as a POTA brother! LOL.

> If George Lucas had made APES, we wouldn't have this problem anymore
> because all those background masks would be CGI'd out by now. Maybe Fox will
> do that in the future, if only to make the kids watch "old" APES movies.
>
>

> People tend to give "Battle" too rough of a time. Though not my favorite,
> I still think it's OK.

> bad dude. :)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "tikiranch" <tikiranch@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I found this large black plastic case with a leather handle on to. The case has four latches around the bottom to secure the small tray bottom to the large top cover. There is a Z-2 stenciled on both parts and also a color picture under plastic riveted to the front of DR. ZIRA. Inside the case there was a thick plastic moulded sheet with the impression of Dr Ziras ape face. To see the pictures take a look at the photo sections album Movie Prop? Looking forward to any help to ID this piece. Thanks
>

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>
> Fans are complaining about the CG but I think that could be the selling point, the visual "Wow!" like "Avatar" had that you can see in a TV commercial. Realistic apes in a POTA story? Might bring in a bigger crowd.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Fans are complaining about the CG but I think that could be the selling point, the visual "Wow!" like "Avatar" had that you can see in a TV commercial. Realistic apes in a POTA story? Might bring in a bigger crowd.
>
>

Jess.

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:07 AM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

Hai! domo arigato gozaimasu...

Christmas decorations? I'm still thinking about the

leftover! lol! Have to finish one thing before I start another.

Wonders if Jess is Zira in Second Life. As for Samurai Movies

Zatoichi is my favorite! Though Shintaro Katsu's brother had a

really good series as well called Lone Wolf & Cub. Know it?

In a message dated 11/25/2010 1:02:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

I have been busy watching samurai movies.

On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:12 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Happy Friday! This week's LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to Glen for his contribution.

To view the new LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
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Will Slay...
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Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
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And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I saw this commercial the other day of a CG Ape walking through a supermarket.
> I forgot what the commercial was promoting because the CG ape looked so damn
> real.
>
> And I just thought, damn, this could be a sneak preview of what is to come.
> The ape looked really amazing.
>
> Al
>

>
>
> There's currently a commercial running where a chimpanzee goes into a drug store to get some cold medication. It's a midget in a suit. It looks good, very much like that movie about the chimp that played baseball with that guy from "Friends" -- remember that movie? -- but it still looks like a midget in a suit. Even though the suits have gotten better, that sort of thing really went out with Clyde and that beach movie. Even Rick Baker in a gorilla suit is Rick Baker in a gorilla suit, and GREYSTOKE was great, but it's still actors in a suit.

> The CGI apes will work, but it depends on how well the film is structured and paced to get you to suspend disbelief and just except the CGI apes as real characters that'll be the true test for this one, just as the original succeeded in doing that with the Chambers makeup designs.

> Somebody wants to make a new-retro GODZILLA movie, using the original Godzilla design, but is a man-in-a-suit thing really going to work these days? I'll bet they go CGI with it.

Sad news that Leslie Nielsen passed away earlier today. Although he never appeared in a POTA film or TV episode, he did appear with many POTA alumi such as Linda Harrison in Braken's World, Roddy in The Poseiden Adventure and Ricardo in The Naked Gun. He also starred in the SF classic Forbidden Planet. However, this is how many wish to remember him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-S-eeInJVk

> I saw this commercial the other day of a CG Ape walking through a supermarket.
> I forgot what the commercial was promoting because the CG ape looked so damn
> real.

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> I've seen this commercial many times now. It's not CGI, it's a
> midget in a suit,

> but it doesn't look as if he's actually in the
> store, but in front of green screen and put into the store shots.

I hope FOX is smart and buys a spot in the Oscars for Rise. But, I wouldn't be surprised if FOX didn't capitalize on a great opportunity to promote Rise.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> As if things couldn't get crazier in his career, James "Rise of the Apes" Franco has been announced to host the Oscars (with Anne Hathaway). Everyone will friggin' know who he is by the time "Apes" comes out. But will this cancel out his Oscar shot for "127 Hrs."?
>

Very cool, Rich! Thanks for sharing.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Great article posted here at Steve's blog:
> http://srbissette.com/?p=10408
>

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 4:57 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Hi, folks,

I've posted an excerpt from Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes at hassleinbooks.com, for those who'd like a sneak peak:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com

I should be receiving a proof copy from Amazon tomorrow or Thursday. Assuming nothing needs to be fixed, we expect the book to be available for sale by the end of next week. After two years of putting this project together, I can't tell you how excited I am to finally see it come to fruition.

In case anyone's interested, my next two books will be about the Back to the Future films. Great Scott!

--Rich

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> What means Lexicon? Is that a place to gather for fans of Superman's # 1 villain?
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
> CONGRATS RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Thanks, Bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
> CONGRATS RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

>
> Reminder from: pota Yahoo! Group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal
>
> Hollywood Treasure
> Wednesday December 1, 2010
> 10:00 pm - 11:00 pm
> Location: SyFy Channel
>
> Notes:
> Collection of Planet of the Apes memorabilia, including a 9 foot tall statue of the Lawgiver.
>
>
>

> Great article posted here at Steve's blog:
> http://srbissette.com/?p=10408
>

> So that's where Natalie's Lawgiver statue ended up. The dude outbid Fox
> about 12 years ago. But he wouldn't auction anything off

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Also, the MARVEL ARCHIVE has been updated with Part 5 of Marvel's comic adaptation of the original "Planet of the Apes".

To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm

Have a great weekend everyone!

A little late now but all times are Eastern. If you missed it, I'm sure the show will be repeated. Check your local listings as they say.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Pawfan" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > Reminder from: pota Yahoo! Group
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal
> >
> > Hollywood Treasure
> > Wednesday December 1, 2010
> > 10:00 pm - 11:00 pm
> > Location: SyFy Channel
> >
> > Notes:
> > Collection of Planet of the Apes memorabilia, including a 9 foot tall statue of the Lawgiver.
> >
> >
> >
> Eastern or Pacific time tonight?
>

If that was Natalie's statue, wasn't there a second one that belonged to Sammy Davis, Jr.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> So that's where Natalie's Lawgiver statue ended up. The dude outbid Fox about 12 years ago. But he wouldn't auction anything off so all they had were "Stargate" and Forry Ackerman stuff. Oh my God! I went off topic!! No! Not Yahoo purgatory! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
>
>

He had costumes for three ape species. It looked like he had a lot more stuff too but they really didn't show any of it.

Does anyone know this guy or heard of him before?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Did he only have the Lawgiver statue or was there other APES stuff too?
> ***
>

I imagine that they are still available for hire and only really get together when they have a paying job, the last being the Blu-Ray promotion back in '08.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> I notice that they haven't added an update to their website in years. Are they still operating?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> You're Google Alert

You're calling me a Google Alert?!?! Thems fightin' words!!! ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Holy crap, Batman! You're Google Alert features this one major piece of news!
>
> http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/306373/planet-of-the-apes-1968-restoration-details
>
> Can this mean a new Blu-ray edition of PLANET is in the works?!!!
>
> I suspect so, probably an "Ultimate Edition" that will be released just prior to RISE OF THE APES.
>
> I told you guys we should be writing to Fox to do a new 5.1 mix and try to include the extras we've wanted for years.
>
> I hope some of you are writing. I already have. Looks like June 2011 will be pretty exciting.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I found this other site which pretty much says what the Home Theater Forum had to say, but it has a couple intriguing screen captures of the digital restoration.
>
> http://www.blackmagic-design.com/nz/userstories/detail.asp?story=planetoftheapes
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I found this other site which pretty much says what the Home Theater Forum had to say, but it has a couple intriguing screen captures of the digital restoration.
>
> http://www.blackmagic-design.com/nz/userstories/detail.asp?story=planetoftheapes
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I found this other site which pretty much says what the Home Theater Forum had to say, but it has a couple intriguing screen captures of the digital restoration.
>
> http://www.blackmagic-design.com/nz/userstories/detail.asp?story=planetoftheapes
>

By chance did anyone record this? I have it on my DVR but it is not transferable.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> On Dec. 1st the Sy Fy channel series "Hollywood Treasures" had an episode that included a trip to Ed Gogin's house to check out his POTA collection. He started by wanting one costume of every ape. He had a small but sweet collection of costumes. They looked at his gorilla costume, which included ammo belt, club and boots. The host said it's rare to see ape costumes complete and original and speculated such a costume could bring $20,000 - $30,000 now, whereas they used to go for $1,000. They also looked at his orangutan costume, which had the glyphs and orang boots. He also had some pullover masks (presumably from the movies). The host estimated his clubs could go for $ 5,000 each, an ape rifle for $5,000 - $10,000 because "they just don't exist (anymore)". Gogin's collection was estimated at $ 100,000.
> In his yard he had the Lawgiver statue that was owned by Arthur Jacobs and then his widow Natalie until the late '90's. He bought it from her. A copy was made for Jacobs' pal Sammy Davis Jr. but this was the only full-sized Lawgiver used on screen. The point of the show is to find stuff and auction it (for the famous "Profiles in History" auctions). The host said getting the Lawgiver and putting it on the cover of the auction catalog was a holy grail. He estimated the Lawgiver at $100,000 - $200,000. Gogin had outbid Fox 12 years ago, who wanted to put it in their archive. Gogin had a uncomfortable look on his face as he heard how much this stuff could go for, I guess because his wife is pressuring him to sell, but he opted not to. So that's where the Lawgiver stayed (Orange County, CA.).
> The host said, "Items from POTA are highly collected. Everything from that movie sells for really good prices". Of course, he added the new movie is making the items even more "hot".
>
> http://www.syfy.com/hollywoodtreasure/episodes.php?seasonid=1&episodeid=110&pageid=1
>

Good news! Amazon is now accepting orders for the encyclopedia: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1453838929?tag=plaoftheapeme-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=1453838929&adid=0HXBSXHKTB0TDGKZRDFY

It makes a great Christmas gift for your favorite POTA fan or for yourself.

They've also reduced the price of the Blu-Ray collection to $60: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7PX80?tag=plaoftheapeme-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B001G7PX80&adid=16QKWMYFBYCAJ2VCABDH

For anyone who hasn't gotten this collection yet, this might be a good time to pick it up.