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Still, amazing work!

 

In a message dated 3/30/2011 6:17:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

T, this one is mine and it's making me nervous. 

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True. But didnt Fox say that this new movie was going to be a newer version of the original Apes storyline, even down to an astronaut named Taylor and his contoverial spaceship with that name we cant agree on. Nobody is saying copy Chambers work, but those of us who are not quite sure about the look of the new ape photo or at what part of the film this new ape represents it certainly does not need CGI if the look is like Burtons film. Just use Rick Baker again and have evolved apes look like they do today but talk with no facial characteristics that represent an evolved being as in the original POTA. Sure in 1968 they might not of thought of the makeups on purpose to show how an evolved ape facialy should look, but atleast it had character. This new ape looks like 2001 A Burton odessey all over again. I would of picked a photo that was more unique or showed the benefits of CGI. The age of Chambers work is totally irrelevent since its known that the original series is loved or atleast prefered to Burtons movie. I hope Fox has something else to show or atleast BS us with a great trailer because this could be a tough sale. I did not think this way until I saw the photo so I pray im wrong. I will be positive and cant wait. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Obviously the first photo of the new Caesar has caused some controversy. Some people seem to love it, others hate it. I love it. How much do I love thee?
> 1) like a summer rain
> 2) like a kind word from a stranger
> 3) like a warm puppy at midnight
>
> We can only see a small portion but it looks to me like they are going for a realistic version of the Chambers makeup. Look at the edges on this blowup:
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/gallery/previews/Rise-of-the-Apes-4738.htmltid=32298
>
> Looks like Thade you say? So be it. Baker also attempted realistic apes. We love the original makeups but that was 40 years ago. It's time to let the new artists make their mark. To expect it to look exactly the same as 40 years ago is unrealistic. But it looks to me like they are trying to give a nod to the originals and I love that idea (though I could be wrong when the whole thing is revealed). I really thought it would be like the new King Kong where they'd be an ape's ape.
> I'd rather keep the originals separate. Most of those who worked on them are gone. Is it fair to use the look John Chambers designed when he's almost ten years gone? We've got 5 movies and a TV show to enjoy whenever we want so vive la difference!
>

Off to pre order! Thanks for the tip Chris!

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Boom <cmosher@...> wrote:

Hey Gang,

Thanks for being so welcoming to Daryl and there have been a ton of great questions today.

I just wanted to chime in that the best way to TRULY get behind the APES comic book is to contact your local comic book shop and PRE-ORDER the the comic from them.

To find out where your local comic shop is located, please go to http://www.comicshoplocator.com and plug in your zip code. Calling them up and pre-ordering the book shows comic shop retailers what the demand is for the book and they will place more orders. The order code to reference with retailers for pre-order is FEB110852.

Again, thanks for being such a great fan base, and we hope to deliver to you the best PLANET OF THE APES possible.

Best,

Chip Mosher
Marketing Director
BOOM! Studios

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

I love thee like a Bonobo---very quick, very shallow,from behind and very often.Planet of the Bonobos would be the Debbie Does Dallas of the sci fi world.It's a film we need to see made now.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Obviously the first photo of the new Caesar has caused some controversy. Some people seem to love it, others hate it. I love it. How much do I love thee?
> 1) like a summer rain
> 2) like a kind word from a stranger
> 3) like a warm puppy at midnight
>
> We can only see a small portion but it looks to me like they are going for a realistic version of the Chambers makeup. Look at the edges on this blowup:
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/gallery/previews/Rise-of-the-Apes-4738.htmltid=32298
>
> Looks like Thade you say? So be it. Baker also attempted realistic apes. We love the original makeups but that was 40 years ago. It's time to let the new artists make their mark. To expect it to look exactly the same as 40 years ago is unrealistic. But it looks to me like they are trying to give a nod to the originals and I love that idea (though I could be wrong when the whole thing is revealed). I really thought it would be like the new King Kong where they'd be an ape's ape.
> I'd rather keep the originals separate. Most of those who worked on them are gone. Is it fair to use the look John Chambers designed when he's almost ten years gone? We've got 5 movies and a TV show to enjoy whenever we want so vive la difference!
>

Funny post. I think some of us want something new. Not Chambers work or even Bakers just something in between maybe. It is false to critique or pick on this photo of Caesar but it wasnt me or you that put it out their. Is this the best they got or are they keeping it close to the vest for whatever reasons they have. You would of thought that Fox would of put somekind of caption or what exactly the photo represents:Caesar age 3, age15, after first dose of super gene juice...whatever. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <rthurbin1@...> wrote:
>
> Totally agree John. We want human nose-bridges! And all that jumping around looks fake to me anyway. It's either computer generated or obviously wire-rigged fakery. Caesar was strictly pavement. And when he did climb up a tree he brought it old-school human-style.
>
> I'd love to read that thesis.
>
> Richard
>

As a small postscript to my putting 'Simiantology' down on my census as my religion this year, there was a cartoon in the Sunday papers featuring Darth Vader pondering whether to switch from Jedi to 'Church of England'.Always did think those Protestants had Sith tendencies. John, Scrolls.

I know it will never happen but I really wish it would be rated R. Life is alot truer than PG-13 and an R rating would be news in itself. The film cost abot 15% less than the 2001 film and that would buffer a slight loss that Fox feels they might loose. They may do what seems to be in vogue now in that the DVD/Bluray will have a Directors cut or R rated version. I still prefer it on the big screen in full glorious R. In truth though I dont think the film really needs it but if sequels are made they will most definatly benefit from an R rating like the original Conquest would of gotten if left alone to J.Lee Thompsons will.
Does anybody have definate views or proof ? Take care , John M.

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I totally agree that a compromise to get a 'younger' certificate is likely and will almost certainly damage the film.Conquest was butchered--the ending was destroyed.I'd love to think artistic integrity will prevail, but the dollar is the bottom line, sadly.Rise could satisfy both, if they're clever about it. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> I know it will never happen but I really wish it would be rated R. Life is alot truer than PG-13 and an R rating would be news in itself. The film cost abot 15% less than the 2001 film and that would buffer a slight loss that Fox feels they might loose. They may do what seems to be in vogue now in that the DVD/Bluray will have a Directors cut or R rated version. I still prefer it on the big screen in full glorious R. In truth though I dont think the film really needs it but if sequels are made they will most definatly benefit from an R rating like the original Conquest would of gotten if left alone to J.Lee Thompsons will.
> Does anybody have definate views or proof ? Take care , John M.
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Obviously the first photo of the new Caesar has caused some controversy. Some people seem to love it, others hate it. I love it. How much do I love thee?
> 1) like a summer rain
> 2) like a kind word from a stranger
> 3) like a warm puppy at midnight

I'm fine with it. I can't say I love it, for there's not really enough to get a full picture of what they're trying to do, but it looks OK to me.

>
> We can only see a small portion but it looks to me like they are going for a realistic version of the Chambers makeup. Look at the edges on this blowup:
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/gallery/previews/Rise-of-the-Apes-4738.htmltid=32298
>
> Looks like Thade you say? So be it. Baker also attempted realistic apes. We love the original makeups but that was 40 years ago. It's time to let the new artists make their mark. To expect it to look exactly the same as 40 years ago is unrealistic. But it looks to me like they are trying to give a nod to the originals and I love that idea (though I could be wrong when the whole thing is revealed). I really thought it would be like the new King Kong where they'd be an ape's ape.
> I'd rather keep the originals separate. Most of those who worked on them are gone. Is it fair to use the look John Chambers designed when he's almost ten years gone? We've got 5 movies and a TV show to enjoy whenever we want so vive la difference!
>

Yes, I agree with you. Things have to move on. The original make-up was ahead of its time, but forty years is a hell of a long time to continue in that vein.

Also, for those talking about the original make-up's expression of an evolutionary change in the apes towards something more human looking (nasal bridge, etc), the Burton apes did have some human characteristics (no, I'm not talking about the eyebrows and the eyes); even Thade had certain humanistic qualities in his appearance, so they evolved to some degree in the human direction. So even if they went towards the Burton look (Thade), it'd still fulfil the need, to some degree, of an evolutionary change in a humanistic direction.

Mind you, seeing that this is to be the hoped for first film of a series, I don't really feel that the apes in the first film can be too humanoid to start with. The eyes I can accept to some degree (as long as it's explained somehow), but I wouldn't want to see a prominent nasal bridge or the forehead being too high (although seeing that the brain is being genetically altered, then maybe the forehead would have to be bigger).

Anyway, as I said above, I'm fine with it, not in love, but fine... for now.


Graham F

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Hi, folks. I'd like to archive yesterday's chat with Daryl Gregory as an article on hassleinbooks.com, but I don't want to do so without getting everyone's permission first (James has already given his OK). The compiled chat is below. Bill, jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM, do you mind if I include your comments? I also plan to make sure Daryl and Chip are OK with it. Thanks, all!

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Online Chat With Writer Daryl Gregory
Posted by Rich Handley, Mar. 31, 2011

The POTA Yahoo Group (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/) conducted an online question-and-answer session with novelist Daryl Gregory, the author of BOOM! Studios' upcoming monthly Planet of the Apes comic-book series, hosted by group moderator jamesa1102. The event took place on Mar. 30, 2011, from 4:00 to 5:00 PM. The following is a transcript of the one-hour chat, compiled with James' and Daryl's kind permission.


Jamesa1102: First, I want to welcome Daryl to the group and thank him for taking the time to answer our questions. I'll start the ball rolling and ask, What made BOOM! want to do a POTA comic in the first place?

Daryl Gregory: Hi James, and hi, everybody. Thanks for having me on. As for why BOOM! (I'm legally obligated to capitalize and punctuate it each time) decided to do an Apes book now, I'm sure it had something to do with Rise of the Apes, and the fact that interest was growing. I'll keep my answers short at first, so this looks like chat. Next question!

Bill Hollweg: Welcome as well, Daryl, from West Texas! Was wanting to know how far-reaching your goal is, as far as linking up with the original POTA, or will BOOM!'s POTA comics stay set more or less in the current planned timeframe (mentioned in the press releases)? And thank you for bringing POTA to comics again!

Daryl Gregory: Hey, Bill. Howdy from central PA, land of the Amish, bears, and Amish bears. Current plans are to stick to the time period of the Lawgiver. We'd like to introduce a set of characters that people care about, then tell their stories. But the Apes universe being what it is—time is a slippery thing—who knows where we'd go after the first year?

jamesa1102: OK. Here's one submitted by one of our members who couldn't be online right now: "A lot of the preliminary write-ups/promotion for the new comics say: 'They're tying the new title into the continuity of the five classic films'... If this is so, how come most of the covers we've seen so far are illustrated with apes dressed in clothing that's anything but tied in with the look/style of the original films?"

Daryl Gregory: I think when you see the issues in April, you'll see more of the ape dress that you saw in the movies, especially in regard to the Lawgiver. But we're also setting this in a time period that's never been seen before. So while you'll see some styles that look like ape clothing from the 3900s, there are obviously going to be styles that are different in 2680. It's a balancing act, to be sure.

jamesa1102: As a follow up to that: If they're taking such drastic changes with their clothing, I can only guess the content will be equally different. If such major changes are being done, wouldn't they have been better off saying it's all new (i.e. "new story", "new look")? To make such big alterations and yet say it's "in the continuity of the originals" probably isn't going to sit well with a lot of people, so why call it what it doesn't appear to be?

Daryl Gregory: Well, it is going to be a new story, obviously, since it's not an adaptation of an existing movie—but what we're trying to make clear is that it's also going to be in the classic continuity, meaning not related to the Burton film or the new reboot. We're taking all the facts of the films as canon, and going from there.

Bill Hollweg: FANTASTIC! <Go, Steelers—yes, holding down the Steeler fort here in West Texas—LOL>. Without giving anything away, will it stay within the confines of Central City and the Forbidden Zone, or travel farther out into the desolation of the world?

Daryl Gregory: We're actually going a bit further afield. Ape City and the Forbidden Zone will be part of the story, but they won't be central locations at first. We've created a new, sprawling city called Mak. If Ape City is New York, then this is Chicago.

Bill Hollweg: Very cool!!!!!!!!!

Rich Handley: Hi, Daryl! Long time, no speak. :) Here's one I meant to ask you earlier [ED. NOTE: During an interview with Hasslein Books—click here to read it.], but forgot to mention: What can you tell us about how you plan to characterize the Lawgiver—what kind of ape is he, and what's your perception of his attitude toward humans? Oh, and what's his name? (I doubt his parents named him Lawgiver, after all.)

Daryl Gregory: Hiya, Rich. Well, at least two characters call him "Grandfather!" As for his name, I'm not telling. Maybe because I haven't decided on it yet. I have a name in the series bible I'm creating to keep track of everything, but I'm not in love with it. Since I didn't need it in issue #1, I decided to wait for a name I really like. As for characterization, I'm going with John Huston as my guide, and he's definitely the character we met at the end of Battle. He believes in equality between apes and humans.

Rich Handley: Thanks, Daryl. I'm very much looking forward to this—especially given the intriguing revelation that it doesn't take place in Ape City. That's a good way to get around any societal or aesthetic divergences from what we've seen on screen. As for the Lawgiver's name, I recommend "Handley." It's a solid simian name.

Daryl Gregory: Ha!

jedimasteryoda1138: Hi, Daryl. Does the comic tie into the new movie?

Daryl Gregory: We're steering clear of the new movie. This series works with the mythos from the first five films, and doesn't try to tie in with either the Burton film or Rise of the Apes.

jamesa1102: Here's another from a member who couldn't be online: "There's an artist named Neil Foster whose work is highly acclaimed by fans... He's had artwork published in Mr. Comics' Revolution on the Planet of the Apes issue #6, in the 'Letters to the Editor' section... Would you consider using him in any future projects?"

Daryl Gregory: It's not up to me—and for good reason! I'm just a writer, and the whole artist side of the business is a mystery to me. We'd probably have to get an artist in here to talk about how to break into comics.

jamesa1102: I'm going to ask a follow-up on this, in terms of how involved FOX is. Is there anything that you've wanted to do that they rejected? Are there any standard requirements from them?

Daryl Gregory: The folks at BOOM! shield me from all of that stuff, mercifully. Or maybe they're shielding FOX from ME. All I know is that FOX approved the storyline I pitched to the editors, so I'm happy. So far, I haven't seemed to have crossed over into any Forbidden Zone.

jamesa1102: And as a follow-up to that: There are some good "fan-fics" out there. Would you ever consider using any of those as the basis for any future issues, or are you only using "in-house" writers/stories?

Daryl Gregory: Hey, are you trying to take food out of my mouth? I'm trying to stay employed here! (In case it's not coming across in e-mail, I'm joking. Please insert smiley face.) I'm avoiding reading any fan-fic, because I don't want to consciously or unconsciously use some other writer's ideas. Making it up is the fun part of my job. The non-fun part? Getting interlopers to vacate my favorite table at Starbucks. However, I feel like I'm writing fan-fic, because it's fiction, and I'm a fan. I'm having a great time.

jamesa1102: As a fan, what has been your inspiration?

Daryl Gregory: Man, there are so many moments from the films that inspire me as I work on this book. I love those characters. Because I saw the movies when I was young, I think I developed a huge crush on Kim Hunter. Her performance, especially in Escape, is so heartfelt, and the way she works with Roddy MacDowall is just beautiful. And Roddy! I keep his performance in Conquest in mind. But I also think about one of the scariest film moments in my life, watching Beneath when I was ten: When the mutants pulled off their faces, I almost jumped out of my skin.

colgtaylor: Mr. Gregory, I read your interview with Rich Handly. Why are you ignoring excellent comics like Revolution and [Marvel's] "Terror" [storyline]?

Daryl Gregory: Please, call me Daryl. I'm avoiding those comics because they're excellent! At least, that's what I have to assume. If they're great, then I don't want their fabulous ideas to creep into my stories—or, worse, drive me to despair that I'll never come up with something that good. Well, that's a half-joking answer. The serious answer is that at some point, I would like to go read them. But when I was creating the storyline for this series, I decided to concentrate on just the five movies, and re-imagine from there. The best way to do that, I thought, was to immerse myself in those movies, and nothing but.

mlccougar: I'm glad they are ignoring "Terror"... While I know it has its fans, I always thought of it as being the beginning of the end...

Jeff K.: All those comics are so old. Even the Adventure stuff is 20 years old. New fans shouldn't have to track that stuff down. I think it's smart to just stick with the films.

jamesa1102: Since it is after 5PM, I'm going to thank Daryl for his time. I hope it wasn't too painful for him, and hope we can do this again.

Daryl Gregory: Thanks, everybody! I had a great time, and I hope you dig the comic.

JohnM: Have fun with the comics, and good luck. I hope it lasts and creates some kind of stir.

Chip Mosher, Marketing Director, BOOM! Studios: Hey, gang. Thanks for being so welcoming to Daryl, and there have been a ton of great questions today. I just wanted to chime in that the best way to TRULY get behind the Apes comic book is to contact your local comic book shop and PRE-ORDER the comic from them. To find out where your local comic shop is located, please go to http://www.comicshoplocator.com and plug in your zip code. Calling them up and pre-ordering the book shows comic-shop retailers what the demand is for the book, and they will place more orders. The order code to reference with retailers for pre-order is FEB110852. Again, thanks for being such a great fan base, and we hope to deliver to you the best Planet of the Apes possible.

Rich, you haven't met my first condition;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, folks. I'd like to archive yesterday's chat with Daryl Gregory as an article on hassleinbooks.com, but I don't want to do so without getting everyone's permission first (James has already given his OK). The compiled chat is below. Bill, jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM, do you mind if I include your comments? I also plan to make sure Daryl and Chip are OK with it. Thanks, all!
>
> * * *
>

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:08 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Rich, you haven't met my first condition;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, folks. I'd like to archive yesterday's chat with Daryl Gregory as an article on hassleinbooks.com, but I don't want to do so without getting everyone's permission first (James has already given his OK). The compiled chat is below. Bill, jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM, do you mind if I include your comments? I also plan to make sure Daryl and Chip are OK with it. Thanks, all!
>
> * * *
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Yeah, I realized that after hitting "send." Don't worry, it's fixed in the file. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Rich, you haven't met my first condition;-)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks. I'd like to archive yesterday's chat with Daryl Gregory as
> an article on hassleinbooks.com, but I don't want to do so without
> getting everyone's permission first (James has already given his OK).
> The compiled chat is below. Bill, jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor,
> mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM, do you mind if I include your comments? I
> also plan to make sure Daryl and Chip are OK with it. Thanks, all!
> >
> > * * *
> >
>

Daryl has given his thumbs-up, as has Bill, so as long as jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM are OK with their comments being reproduced, I'll take it live.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I realized that after hitting "send." Don't worry, it's fixed in the file. :)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Rich, you haven't met my first condition;-)
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, folks. I'd like to archive yesterday's chat with Daryl Gregory as
> > an article on hassleinbooks.com, but I don't want to do so without
> > getting everyone's permission first (James has already given his OK).
> > The compiled chat is below. Bill, jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor,
> > mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM, do you mind if I include your comments? I
> > also plan to make sure Daryl and Chip are OK with it. Thanks, all!
> > >
> > > * * *
> > >
> >
>

its ok w/me

-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:

>
> Daryl has given his thumbs-up, as has Bill, so as long as jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM are OK with their comments being reproduced, I'll take it live.
>
>

Great, thanks. Three down, four to go. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jedimasteryoda1138" <Yoda_75@...> wrote:
>
> its ok w/me
>
> -- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > Daryl has given his thumbs-up, as has Bill, so as long as jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM are OK with their comments being reproduced, I'll take it live.
> >
> >
>

Your right. But outside of some computering and a cell for emergencies on the road, I think all of this technology can be a waste of time and makes all of us fat. It is wonderfull but its made everyone rely on it for too much including films but I know we need it and love it and its progress. Technology is prgressing faster than mankind and thats a problem. Man, did I love growing up in the 60s..Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, production is the most expensive part of a movie, so with CG they don't have to wait for the makeup to be right, they can just go in and get the performances and move on. And they can appear more ape-like in body. James Cameron says it lets the actor perform without having to sit in the makeup chair for hours.
> I guess it's like book stores and newspapers closing because of the internet. Right or wrong, it's change. Remember Chaplin's "Modern Times"?
>
>

Its like I take it personally that the Apes have got to be for everyone. If you try to sastisfy everyone you sastisfy NO-one. I agree with you 100%...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I totally agree that a compromise to get a 'younger' certificate is likely and will almost certainly damage the film.Conquest was butchered--the ending was destroyed.I'd love to think artistic integrity will prevail, but the dollar is the bottom line, sadly.Rise could satisfy both, if they're clever about it. John, Scrolls.
>

No problem, use whatever you like, Take care and good luck, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, folks. I'd like to archive yesterday's chat with Daryl Gregory as an article on hassleinbooks.com, but I don't want to do so without getting everyone's permission first (James has already given his OK). The compiled chat is below. Bill, jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM, do you mind if I include your comments? I also plan to make sure Daryl and Chip are OK with it. Thanks, all!
>
> * * *
>
> Online Chat With Writer Daryl Gregory
> Posted by Rich Handley, Mar. 31, 2011
>
> The POTA Yahoo Group (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/) conducted an online question-and-answer session with novelist Daryl Gregory, the author of BOOM! Studios' upcoming monthly Planet of the Apes comic-book series, hosted by group moderator jamesa1102. The event took place on Mar. 30, 2011, from 4:00 to 5:00 PM. The following is a transcript of the one-hour chat, compiled with James' and Daryl's kind permission.
>
>
> Jamesa1102: First, I want to welcome Daryl to the group and thank him for taking the time to answer our questions. I'll start the ball rolling and ask, What made BOOM! want to do a POTA comic in the first place?
>
> Daryl Gregory: Hi James, and hi, everybody. Thanks for having me on. As for why BOOM! (I'm legally obligated to capitalize and punctuate it each time) decided to do an Apes book now, I'm sure it had something to do with Rise of the Apes, and the fact that interest was growing. I'll keep my answers short at first, so this looks like chat. Next question!
>
> Bill Hollweg: Welcome as well, Daryl, from West Texas! Was wanting to know how far-reaching your goal is, as far as linking up with the original POTA, or will BOOM!'s POTA comics stay set more or less in the current planned timeframe (mentioned in the press releases)? And thank you for bringing POTA to comics again!
>
> Daryl Gregory: Hey, Bill. Howdy from central PA, land of the Amish, bears, and Amish bears. Current plans are to stick to the time period of the Lawgiver. We'd like to introduce a set of characters that people care about, then tell their stories. But the Apes universe being what it is—time is a slippery thing—who knows where we'd go after the first year?
>
> jamesa1102: OK. Here's one submitted by one of our members who couldn't be online right now: "A lot of the preliminary write-ups/promotion for the new comics say: 'They're tying the new title into the continuity of the five classic films'... If this is so, how come most of the covers we've seen so far are illustrated with apes dressed in clothing that's anything but tied in with the look/style of the original films?"
>
> Daryl Gregory: I think when you see the issues in April, you'll see more of the ape dress that you saw in the movies, especially in regard to the Lawgiver. But we're also setting this in a time period that's never been seen before. So while you'll see some styles that look like ape clothing from the 3900s, there are obviously going to be styles that are different in 2680. It's a balancing act, to be sure.
>
> jamesa1102: As a follow up to that: If they're taking such drastic changes with their clothing, I can only guess the content will be equally different. If such major changes are being done, wouldn't they have been better off saying it's all new (i.e. "new story", "new look")? To make such big alterations and yet say it's "in the continuity of the originals" probably isn't going to sit well with a lot of people, so why call it what it doesn't appear to be?
>
> Daryl Gregory: Well, it is going to be a new story, obviously, since it's not an adaptation of an existing movie—but what we're trying to make clear is that it's also going to be in the classic continuity, meaning not related to the Burton film or the new reboot. We're taking all the facts of the films as canon, and going from there.
>
> Bill Hollweg: FANTASTIC! <Go, Steelers—yes, holding down the Steeler fort here in West Texas—LOL>. Without giving anything away, will it stay within the confines of Central City and the Forbidden Zone, or travel farther out into the desolation of the world?
>
> Daryl Gregory: We're actually going a bit further afield. Ape City and the Forbidden Zone will be part of the story, but they won't be central locations at first. We've created a new, sprawling city called Mak. If Ape City is New York, then this is Chicago.
>
> Bill Hollweg: Very cool!!!!!!!!!
>
> Rich Handley: Hi, Daryl! Long time, no speak. :) Here's one I meant to ask you earlier [ED. NOTE: During an interview with Hasslein Books—click here to read it.], but forgot to mention: What can you tell us about how you plan to characterize the Lawgiver—what kind of ape is he, and what's your perception of his attitude toward humans? Oh, and what's his name? (I doubt his parents named him Lawgiver, after all.)
>
> Daryl Gregory: Hiya, Rich. Well, at least two characters call him "Grandfather!" As for his name, I'm not telling. Maybe because I haven't decided on it yet. I have a name in the series bible I'm creating to keep track of everything, but I'm not in love with it. Since I didn't need it in issue #1, I decided to wait for a name I really like. As for characterization, I'm going with John Huston as my guide, and he's definitely the character we met at the end of Battle. He believes in equality between apes and humans.
>
> Rich Handley: Thanks, Daryl. I'm very much looking forward to this—especially given the intriguing revelation that it doesn't take place in Ape City. That's a good way to get around any societal or aesthetic divergences from what we've seen on screen. As for the Lawgiver's name, I recommend "Handley." It's a solid simian name.
>
> Daryl Gregory: Ha!
>
> jedimasteryoda1138: Hi, Daryl. Does the comic tie into the new movie?
>
> Daryl Gregory: We're steering clear of the new movie. This series works with the mythos from the first five films, and doesn't try to tie in with either the Burton film or Rise of the Apes.
>
> jamesa1102: Here's another from a member who couldn't be online: "There's an artist named Neil Foster whose work is highly acclaimed by fans... He's had artwork published in Mr. Comics' Revolution on the Planet of the Apes issue #6, in the 'Letters to the Editor' section... Would you consider using him in any future projects?"
>
> Daryl Gregory: It's not up to me—and for good reason! I'm just a writer, and the whole artist side of the business is a mystery to me. We'd probably have to get an artist in here to talk about how to break into comics.
>
> jamesa1102: I'm going to ask a follow-up on this, in terms of how involved FOX is. Is there anything that you've wanted to do that they rejected? Are there any standard requirements from them?
>
> Daryl Gregory: The folks at BOOM! shield me from all of that stuff, mercifully. Or maybe they're shielding FOX from ME. All I know is that FOX approved the storyline I pitched to the editors, so I'm happy. So far, I haven't seemed to have crossed over into any Forbidden Zone.
>
> jamesa1102: And as a follow-up to that: There are some good "fan-fics" out there. Would you ever consider using any of those as the basis for any future issues, or are you only using "in-house" writers/stories?
>
> Daryl Gregory: Hey, are you trying to take food out of my mouth? I'm trying to stay employed here! (In case it's not coming across in e-mail, I'm joking. Please insert smiley face.) I'm avoiding reading any fan-fic, because I don't want to consciously or unconsciously use some other writer's ideas. Making it up is the fun part of my job. The non-fun part? Getting interlopers to vacate my favorite table at Starbucks. However, I feel like I'm writing fan-fic, because it's fiction, and I'm a fan. I'm having a great time.
>
> jamesa1102: As a fan, what has been your inspiration?
>
> Daryl Gregory: Man, there are so many moments from the films that inspire me as I work on this book. I love those characters. Because I saw the movies when I was young, I think I developed a huge crush on Kim Hunter. Her performance, especially in Escape, is so heartfelt, and the way she works with Roddy MacDowall is just beautiful. And Roddy! I keep his performance in Conquest in mind. But I also think about one of the scariest film moments in my life, watching Beneath when I was ten: When the mutants pulled off their faces, I almost jumped out of my skin.
>
> colgtaylor: Mr. Gregory, I read your interview with Rich Handly. Why are you ignoring excellent comics like Revolution and [Marvel's] "Terror" [storyline]?
>
> Daryl Gregory: Please, call me Daryl. I'm avoiding those comics because they're excellent! At least, that's what I have to assume. If they're great, then I don't want their fabulous ideas to creep into my stories—or, worse, drive me to despair that I'll never come up with something that good. Well, that's a half-joking answer. The serious answer is that at some point, I would like to go read them. But when I was creating the storyline for this series, I decided to concentrate on just the five movies, and re-imagine from there. The best way to do that, I thought, was to immerse myself in those movies, and nothing but.
>
> mlccougar: I'm glad they are ignoring "Terror"... While I know it has its fans, I always thought of it as being the beginning of the end...
>
> Jeff K.: All those comics are so old. Even the Adventure stuff is 20 years old. New fans shouldn't have to track that stuff down. I think it's smart to just stick with the films.
>
> jamesa1102: Since it is after 5PM, I'm going to thank Daryl for his time. I hope it wasn't too painful for him, and hope we can do this again.
>
> Daryl Gregory: Thanks, everybody! I had a great time, and I hope you dig the comic.
>
> JohnM: Have fun with the comics, and good luck. I hope it lasts and creates some kind of stir.
>
> Chip Mosher, Marketing Director, BOOM! Studios: Hey, gang. Thanks for being so welcoming to Daryl, and there have been a ton of great questions today. I just wanted to chime in that the best way to TRULY get behind the Apes comic book is to contact your local comic book shop and PRE-ORDER the comic from them. To find out where your local comic shop is located, please go to http://www.comicshoplocator.com and plug in your zip code. Calling them up and pre-ordering the book shows comic-shop retailers what the demand is for the book, and they will place more orders. The order code to reference with retailers for pre-order is FEB110852. Again, thanks for being such a great fan base, and we hope to deliver to you the best Planet of the Apes possible.
>

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Al is one of the first to be negative about the new movie? It's a madhouse! A madhouse!!


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:54 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: First Look at Caesar!




I agree as well. From the looks of that teaser image, I'd say the movie should be instead call, "Thade, Rise of the Apes."
I'm glad I pulled out of this countdown. But don't get me wrong, I'll still go and see it. Just won't be wasting my time with it.

Al

Go ahead, use it. What did I say?


From: rassmguy
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:53 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Chat archive



Daryl has given his thumbs-up, as has Bill, so as long as jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM are OK with their comments being reproduced, I'll take it live.

It's not Thade, it's "Caesar". We know that much.

Today's FX are geared toward reality and POTA2001 was geared toward realistic apes (except the female chimps). There's bound to be spill over. Apes haven't changed in 10 years (Caesar notwithstanding).


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: First Look at Caesar!






I agree as well. From the looks of that teaser image, I'd say the movie should be instead call, "Thade, Rise of the Apes."
I'm glad I pulled out of this countdown. But don't get me wrong, I'll still go and see it. Just won't be wasting my time with it.

Al
I doubt RISE will have anything to do with POTA2001. Fox can't be that stupid..... or can they?

I'm still waiting for TTC on Blu-ray. Amazon is having some sort of delivery problem --- DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL!!!!

I just ordered it. Now you see why I complained so much to Fox. Its always been laziness at why they cant make the apes collection perfect in sight and sound. Its close with the Blurays but it was so reliant on digital manipulation. Thats why I hope the resoration of POTA68 will be wonderfull in sight and -please do not forget sound!-. I hope all the apes films can be restored, or improved upon, or missing parts that are still missing, be found. If friends of mine are able to get things that Fox cant find well Fox are the lamest production company in business. Take care, enjoy. I prefer Ben-Hur,HAHA...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I have no doubt it has nothing to do with Burton's Apes. It will be based on the
> originals.
> Only Chambers' makeup was ten times better than Baker's. This whole realistic
> look of apes as did Baker just looks plain stupid compared to Chambers.
> I guess Fox didn't get that point the first time around with Burton's version.
> But anyway, I'm now %100 glad Fox changed the release date. All things happen
> for a reason.Â
>
> As for TTC blurays, beware if you ordered the Boxset. The little flip flops
> inside the commandmets that hold the discs came broken in mine.
> Exchanged it and came broken again. But at least I have the option of just going
> to Best Buy to exchange it. When dealing by mail, it can be a bit of a headache.
> Especially if it come broken a second time around.
>
> Picture and Sound 10 out of 10.
> Best damn bluray on the planet. :o)
>
> Al
>
>

Because its a great idea and we are dealing with Fox!..John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Why doesn't some studio head get the brilliant idea- to do Boulles novel as
> it is...
> I know - that's a dangerous and logical idea...
>
> Then they could stray a bit with the looks, with the tech etc etc etc...-
> and not infringe on the cannon in film, and still get the fans fired up- or
> at least I think the fans would get into it. I would at any rate.
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
> http://brokensea.com/ <http://www.brokensea.net/>
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at
> http://brokensea.com/pota/
> http://brokensea.com/bpota/ <http://www.brokensea.com/>
> and
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
> http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
> CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio
> OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/
>

Well, that is one opinion,but I strongly disagree. The new look sucks.
The 2000 film look Sucked.The Planet of the Apes look of the 70's is the Planet of the Apes.They do not have to change much at all, that is the problem with the film industry they have no fuckin clue.
They make Undersog a real dog lol, nect they will make a Bugs Bunny film and use a real Rabbit.
The look of the characters mean everything as much as the story if not more.When you see a Planet of the Apes character ,you know what it is because of the original look.They looked incredible, Cornelius, Ursus, Caesar.I will wait to see the final look , hopefully it will look better than Thade.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Obviously the first photo of the new Caesar has caused some controversy. Some people seem to love it, others hate it. I love it. How much do I love thee?
> 1) like a summer rain
> 2) like a kind word from a stranger
> 3) like a warm puppy at midnight
>
> We can only see a small portion but it looks to me like they are going for a realistic version of the Chambers makeup. Look at the edges on this blowup:
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/gallery/previews/Rise-of-the-Apes-4738.htmltid=32298
>
> Looks like Thade you say? So be it. Baker also attempted realistic apes. We love the original makeups but that was 40 years ago. It's time to let the new artists make their mark. To expect it to look exactly the same as 40 years ago is unrealistic. But it looks to me like they are trying to give a nod to the originals and I love that idea (though I could be wrong when the whole thing is revealed). I really thought it would be like the new King Kong where they'd be an ape's ape.
> I'd rather keep the originals separate. Most of those who worked on them are gone. Is it fair to use the look John Chambers designed when he's almost ten years gone? We've got 5 movies and a TV show to enjoy whenever we want so vive la difference!
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

>
> Why doesn't some studio head get the brilliant idea- to do Boulles novel as
> it is...
> I know - that's a dangerous and logical idea...
>
> Then they could stray a bit with the looks, with the tech etc etc etc...-
> and not infringe on the cannon in film, and still get the fans fired up- or
> at least I think the fans would get into it. I would at any rate.

Like you, I'd love to see an adaptation of the book as it is (although the machines that bring back the memories of past generations could be altered to something more believable... then again, best not start a thin edge of the wedge), but I tend to think that subtitled films would not be seen as box office friendly. ;) Also, it'd be a more serious science fiction film with less action, which suits me fine, but I can't say whether those financing the film would be too pleased without the all American action hero (being French won't help) and lots of fighting, etc. Still, yeah, I'd love to see the book given serious consideration. Maybe the BBC or HBO would take a chance, or some French company? Then again, maybe I'll just have to be content with the book and my imagination.


Graham F

They could call the film whatever they want, but if it does not look like, or even close to Chambers work it is not Planet of the Apes in my eyes.Hopefully the some of you will enjoy it but for me Planet of the Apes is the look as much as the story, and the 70's look is the only look for me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Funny post. I think some of us want something new. Not Chambers work or even Bakers just something in between maybe. It is false to critique or pick on this photo of Caesar but it wasnt me or you that put it out their. Is this the best they got or are they keeping it close to the vest for whatever reasons they have. You would of thought that Fox would of put somekind of caption or what exactly the photo represents:Caesar age 3, age15, after first dose of super gene juice...whatever. Take care, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <rthurbin1@> wrote:
> >
> > Totally agree John. We want human nose-bridges! And all that jumping around looks fake to me anyway. It's either computer generated or obviously wire-rigged fakery. Caesar was strictly pavement. And when he did climb up a tree he brought it old-school human-style.
> >
> > I'd love to read that thesis.
> >
> > Richard
> >
>

I agree, they just do not get it.Chambers look of the Apes will never be topped.They could have just updated it a little so they can make more expressions, but the look is incredible to say the least.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> I have no doubt it has nothing to do with Burton's Apes. It will be based on the
> originals.
> Only Chambers' makeup was ten times better than Baker's. This whole realistic
> look of apes as did Baker just looks plain stupid compared to Chambers.
> I guess Fox didn't get that point the first time around with Burton's version.
> But anyway, I'm now %100 glad Fox changed the release date. All things happen
> for a reason.Â
>
> As for TTC blurays, beware if you ordered the Boxset. The little flip flops
> inside the commandmets that hold the discs came broken in mine.
> Exchanged it and came broken again. But at least I have the option of just going
> to Best Buy to exchange it. When dealing by mail, it can be a bit of a headache.
> Especially if it come broken a second time around.
>
> Picture and Sound 10 out of 10.
> Best damn bluray on the planet. :o)
>
> Al
>
> Â
>

Man, an Apes fan just as crazy as me. I knew we agreed but you nailed the passion some of us have. We are not old fashion but we know what we like when we see it. Take care and relax my friend, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Farrow" <theskulpter@...> wrote:
>
> Well, that is one opinion,but I strongly disagree. The new look sucks.
> The 2000 film look Sucked.The Planet of the Apes look of the 70's is the Planet of the Apes.They do not have to change much at all, that is the problem with the film industry they have no fuckin clue.
> They make Undersog a real dog lol, nect they will make a Bugs Bunny film and use a real Rabbit.
> The look of the characters mean everything as much as the story if not more.When you see a Planet of the Apes character ,you know what it is because of the original look.They looked incredible, Cornelius, Ursus, Caesar.I will wait to see the final look , hopefully it will look better than Thade.
>

Thanks, John!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> No problem, use whatever you like, Take care and good luck, John M.
>

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:33 PM, gort65 <gort65@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Why doesn't some studio head get the brilliant idea- to do Boulles novel as
> it is...
> I know - that's a dangerous and logical idea...
>
> Then they could stray a bit with the looks, with the tech etc etc etc...-
> and not infringe on the cannon in film, and still get the fans fired up- or
> at least I think the fans would get into it. I would at any rate.

Like you, I'd love to see an adaptation of the book as it is (although the machines that bring back the memories of past generations could be altered to something more believable... then again, best not start a thin edge of the wedge), but I tend to think that subtitled films would not be seen as box office friendly. ;) Also, it'd be a more serious science fiction film with less action, which suits me fine, but I can't say whether those financing the film would be too pleased without the all American action hero (being French won't help) and lots of fighting, etc. Still, yeah, I'd love to see the book given serious consideration. Maybe the BBC or HBO would take a chance, or some French company? Then again, maybe I'll just have to be content with the book and my imagination.

Graham F

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

LOL. Thanks, Jeff. Your contribution was: "All those comics are so old. Even the Adventure stuff is 20 years old. New fans shouldn't have to track that stuff down. I think it's smart to just stick with the films."

Great, so that just leaves colgtaylor.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Go ahead, use it. What did I say?
>
>
> From: rassmguy
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:53 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Chat archive
>
>
>
> Daryl has given his thumbs-up, as has Bill, so as long as jedimasteryoda1138, colgtaylor, mlccougar, Jeff K. and JohnM are OK with their comments being reproduced, I'll take it live.
>

lol, Yea Planet of the Apes is my favorite man.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Man, an Apes fan just as crazy as me. I knew we agreed but you nailed the passion some of us have. We are not old fashion but we know what we like when we see it. Take care and relax my friend, Take care, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Farrow" <theskulpter@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, that is one opinion,but I strongly disagree. The new look sucks.
> > The 2000 film look Sucked.The Planet of the Apes look of the 70's is the Planet of the Apes.They do not have to change much at all, that is the problem with the film industry they have no fuckin clue.
> > They make Undersog a real dog lol, nect they will make a Bugs Bunny film and use a real Rabbit.
> > The look of the characters mean everything as much as the story if not more.When you see a Planet of the Apes character ,you know what it is because of the original look.They looked incredible, Cornelius, Ursus, Caesar.I will wait to see the final look , hopefully it will look better than Thade.
> >
>

Hi, folks. The chat transcript is now online:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/POTA-Yahoo-Group-Online-Chat-With-Daryl-Gregory.html"

colgtaylor's name says "NAME HIDDEN" since I don't yet have permission to use his name. If I hear back about that, I'll change it.

Thanks again, everyone for permission to post this.

We're famous!


From: rassmguy
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:21 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] The chat transcript is online



Hi, folks. The chat transcript is now online:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/POTA-Yahoo-Group-Online-Chat-With-Daryl-Gregory.html"

colgtaylor's name says "NAME HIDDEN" since I don't yet have permission to use his name. If I hear back about that, I'll change it.

Thanks again, everyone for permission to post this.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Like you, I'd love to see an adaptation of the book as it is (although the machines that bring back the memories of past generations could be altered to something more believable... then again, best not start a thin edge of the wedge), but I tend to think that subtitled films would not be seen as box office friendly. ;) Also, it'd be a more serious science fiction film with less action, which suits me fine, but I can't say whether those financing the film would be too pleased without the all American action hero (being French won't help) and lots of fighting, etc. Still, yeah, I'd love to see the book given serious consideration. Maybe the BBC or HBO would take a chance, or some French company? Then again, maybe I'll just have to be content with the book and my imagination.
>
> Graham F
>
>
>
>
> Well, like my criticism of comic books, if you simply read the Boulle novel, the images in your head are probably a thousand times better than anything a movie studio can produce -- AND YOU ARE THE DIRECTOR!!!!!
>
> -- Rory

Sure, I agree and am happy in being the "director" in my own world while reading the book. Nothing is harmed; nothing is lost; nothing to worry about on that score. One can't unread a book. Still, a film wouldn't hurt my imagination and I'd be interested in what would be the interpretation of the book by another. A film wouldn't supplant my enjoyment of the book, it wouldn't improve it (most probably), but I'd still be interested in such a venture taken. Again, nothing to be scared of and nothing is lost.


Graham

Burton's movie displayed terrific MAKE-UP, so it still felt POTA to me, at least visually. CGI apes --- it sounds as a lame idea to begin with. I'm more and more convinced this is gonna be a different product with the POTA logo stamped all over it to cash in from the old fans (=US). Wise commercial move.


T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Farrow" <theskulpter@...> wrote:
>
> They could call the film whatever they want, but if it does not look like, or even close to Chambers work it is not Planet of the Apes in my eyes.Hopefully the some of you will enjoy it but for me Planet of the Apes is the look as much as the story, and the 70's look is the only look for me.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
> >
> > Funny post. I think some of us want something new. Not Chambers work or even Bakers just something in between maybe. It is false to critique or pick on this photo of Caesar but it wasnt me or you that put it out their. Is this the best they got or are they keeping it close to the vest for whatever reasons they have. You would of thought that Fox would of put somekind of caption or what exactly the photo represents:Caesar age 3, age15, after first dose of super gene juice...whatever. Take care, John M.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <rthurbin1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Totally agree John. We want human nose-bridges! And all that jumping around looks fake to me anyway. It's either computer generated or obviously wire-rigged fakery. Caesar was strictly pavement. And when he did climb up a tree he brought it old-school human-style.
> > >
> > > I'd love to read that thesis.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> >
>

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Yes the 68 and 70's look is what I meant, does not really take a genius to figure that out.So I will say it like this
The Chambers makeup IS THE PLANET OF THE APES !
I actually love the way they looked in all 85 films, Battle being the least.Loved Cornelius look in escape.And how can any Apes fan not love General Ursus?? The best Ape ever imo.
Anyway, judging from the new photo, the look will be horrible.
Hopefully I am wrong and some of the Apes look better than the photo we have seen.ButI am not looking forward to a Kongo part 2.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> The Planet of the Apes look of the 70's is the Planet of the Apes.
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> Excuse me?!!! The look of the original '68 classic IS the Planet of the Apes. The look of the sequels is cheapened down '68.
>
> As far as the look of the apes in the new movie -- we haven't seen it in action yet, and they're supposed to be primitive, modern apes. Let's just wait and see MORE.
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> -- Rory
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> From: Farrow <theskulpter@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2011 4:31 pm
> Subject: [pota] Re: Caes the day!
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>
>
>
> Well, that is one opinion,but I strongly disagree. The new look sucks.
> The 2000 film look Sucked.The Planet of the Apes look of the 70's is the Planet of the Apes.They do not have to change much at all, that is the problem with the film industry they have no fuckin clue.
> They make Undersog a real dog lol, nect they will make a Bugs Bunny film and use a real Rabbit.
> The look of the characters mean everything as much as the story if not more.When you see a Planet of the Apes character ,you know what it is because of the original look.They looked incredible, Cornelius, Ursus, Caesar.I will wait to see the final look , hopefully it will look better than Thade.
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
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> > Obviously the first photo of the new Caesar has caused some controversy. Some people seem to love it, others hate it. I love it. How much do I love thee?
> > 1) like a summer rain
> > 2) like a kind word from a stranger
> > 3) like a warm puppy at midnight
> >
> > We can only see a small portion but it looks to me like they are going for a realistic version of the Chambers makeup. Look at the edges on this blowup:
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> > http://www.cinemablend.com/gallery/previews/Rise-of-the-Apes-4738.htmltid=32298
> >
> > Looks like Thade you say? So be it. Baker also attempted realistic apes. We love the original makeups but that was 40 years ago. It's time to let the new artists make their mark. To expect it to look exactly the same as 40 years ago is unrealistic. But it looks to me like they are trying to give a nod to the originals and I love that idea (though I could be wrong when the whole thing is revealed). I really thought it would be like the new King Kong where they'd be an ape's ape.
> > I'd rather keep the originals separate. Most of those who worked on them are gone. Is it fair to use the look John Chambers designed when he's almost ten years gone? We've got 5 movies and a TV show to enjoy whenever we want so vive la difference!
> >
>

Yes I agree 100 percent.Though in my original statement I meant all the Original Planet of the apes including the 68.And yes Ursus is my fav, and Cornelius looked incredible in Escape.I love Caesars makeup in Conquest as well.Not so much Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
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> I disagree. Cornelius looked his best in Escape. Also, Ursus looked great in
> Beneath. I even think Watson's Cornelius prosthetics looked a little better than
> '68. To me, it wasn't until Battle that it started to look cheap and this was
> passed down to the tv show. Some of the tv prosthetics looked REALLY bad.
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*** Yes they did... I think the (Portuguese?) version is on Hunter's
website... ***



In a message dated 4/1/2011 9:17:43 AM Central Standard Time,
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> Even comic books haven't adapted it and I think that would be a natural.

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*** They did novels for four of the five original films... PLANET, while
technically not a film adaption but a film tie-in release of Boulle's original
book, was also released. So the adaptions are: BENEATH, ESCAPE, CONQUEST,
and BATTLE. ***


In a message dated 4/1/2011 1:17:47 PM Central Standard Time,
chimel23@... writes:

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> Found a copy of the Beneath novel at a library sale today for a quarter.
>
> Did they novelize all 5 films? I know there are Escape and Conquest
> books...
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> Mel
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Yeah, I did grab the movie tie in at the library I work at. It too was donated.

Mel

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
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> *** They did novels for four of the five original films... PLANET, while
> technically not a film adaption but a film tie-in release of Boulle's original
> book, was also released. So the adaptions are: BENEATH, ESCAPE, CONQUEST,
> and BATTLE. ***
>
>

> Found a copy of the Beneath novel at a library sale today for a quarter.

> Did they novelize all 5 films? I know there are Escape and Conquest books...

You can see all the covers on my Apes site:

https://pota.goatley.com/books.html"

Hunter

> > Even comic books haven't adapted it and I think that would be a natural.

> *** Yes they did... I think the (Portuguese?) version is on Hunter's
> website... ***

It was Hungarian. Two different translations of it can be found here:

https://pota.goatley.com/hungarian.html"

Hunter

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*** For the most part, he looks good in ESCAPE, but ESCAPE is also the
start of the hair being too long in the back and the "part" isn't as prominent...

And if you listen to Roddy "the make-up was exactly the same" all along and
only his characterization made them appear as different apes... While it's
true that the way they're player has a bit to do with the way the character
comes thru, if he really thought there was no difference in the appearances
of Cornelius/Caesar/Galen, he was sadly mistaken... ***


In a message dated 4/1/2011 2:35:23 PM Central Standard Time,
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> Cornelius looked incredible in Escape.I love Caesars makeup in Conquest
> as well.Not so much Battle.
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I loved Cornelius's hair a little longer in Escape.As far as the difference in Cornelius and Casar, it was mainly the hairline.I think the nose was a bit different as well but I could be wrong.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
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> *** For the most part, he looks good in ESCAPE, but ESCAPE is also the
> start of the hair being too long in the back and the "part" isn't as prominent...
>
> And if you listen to Roddy "the make-up was exactly the same" all along and
> only his characterization made them appear as different apes... While it's
> true that the way they're player has a bit to do with the way the character
> comes thru, if he really thought there was no difference in the appearances
> of Cornelius/Caesar/Galen, he was sadly mistaken... ***
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> In a message dated 4/1/2011 2:35:23 PM Central Standard Time,
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I've said that since before the last one.

It's a much different world from the late

60's, and much harder to shock audiences.

 

 

In a message dated 3/31/2011 6:13:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

I really wish it would be rated R.

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That's a wonderful effort guys--really insightful.Come on folks--get ordering, we want this Ape world to last.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
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> Hi, folks. The chat transcript is now online:
>
> http://www.hassleinbooks.com/POTA-Yahoo-Group-Online-Chat-With-Daryl-Gregory.html"
>
> colgtaylor's name says "NAME HIDDEN" since I don't yet have permission to use his name. If I hear back about that, I'll change it.
>
> Thanks again, everyone for permission to post this.
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I wish they would. Makeup based character driven.

It wouldn't even have to have a big budget either.

 

 

In a message dated 3/31/2011 3:37:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gort65@... writes:

Still, yeah, I'd love to see the book given serious consideration. Maybe the BBC or HBO would take a chance, or some French company?

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The Hungarian version is available here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
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> *** Yes they did... I think the (Portuguese?) version is on Hunter's
> website... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/1/2011 9:17:43 AM Central Standard Time,
> veetus@... writes:
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> > Even comic books haven't adapted it and I think that would be a natural.
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Yes there are novelizations for all the sequels, the TV series, the Cartoon series and even Burton's film. Only the original Planet has not been novelized.

If you want to see the covers, they are available on the group website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/NovelCovers.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, chimel23@... wrote:
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> Found a copy of the Beneath novel at a library sale today for a quarter.
>
> Did they novelize all 5 films? I know there are Escape and Conquest books...
>
> Mel
>

Yes it does seem odd that they don't have even a website up yet.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
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> So let me get this straight.
> Caesar is only 4 months away yet there's no trailer nor official web site yet?
> So what did Fox think? That was going to do all the work?
>
> Go figure.
> Now I'm 200% sure I made the right choice. LOL! :o)
>
> Come on Fox, show us you really care about this movie.
>
> Al
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This reviews for Blu-ray release of THE TEN COMMANDMENTS is like so many other reviews, more synopsis rather than critique on quality.  There is no mention of how the 5.1 mix is completely different and in many ways lacking over the previous DVD and even laserdisc release.  In fact it even is missing sound effects.   The stereo surrounds have been over 50% cut off from steered effects.  Music has been re-mixed louder covering up sound effects.  During the parting of the Red Sea music completely fades out completely leaving a void in the track since wind has been mixed down to an almost unheard level.  In the same scene the pillar of fire's swirling roar is gone – which previously was directed into the surround.  The churning waters once they have been parted was heard in the surrounds as well, now also gone.  Moving thunder that traveled from one side of the surrounds to the other is also gone when Moses comes down from the mountain. Sounds of slaves digging in the pits heard in the surrounds is now lost too.  This mix is robust but missing so much it horrible.  Worse of all not one reviewer noticed or mentioned the vastly different mix and how it falls short from the previous.  Visually stunning, it's a shame PARAMOUNT really screwed this up with this poorly mix edition. --- On Mon, 3/28/11, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote: From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> Subject: Re: [pota] (OT) TTC's first review is in! To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 8:42 PM   Yeeee Haaaaa!! Tomorrow is the DAY! :o)   Al From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> To: pota@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 27, 2011 8:59:37 PM Subject: [pota] (OT) TTC's first review is in!   This is one awesome Blu-ray!   http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare11/the_ten_commandments_dvd_review.htm

I agree that we have to be patient. I bet a website and publicity wont happen till atleast the summer. Fox has always been alittle unknowing in how to do Apes correctly and to who to make an Apes film for. Even with all my past explotation material a problem is clear that started with Jacobs himself in that he had this obsession with entertaining the whole family. If it works sure even more money, but when it doesnt you compromise the film as in Conquest which should always have been graphic in that the subject matter demands it. Battle is basically a poor film because he demanded it be suitable for "Families", and when Jacobs gutted that film for time he cut the mutant and bomb and origin scenes on their future sensebilities ,you know the scene at the end with Alma and Mendez, which I consider the best parts of this convoluted film. A new Apes film should have a curse word or two and violence, how can it not , look at the subject matter. Its truthfull and honest to be alittle tough but movie studios have these lame commities of overweight soccermoms and uptight right wingers making decisions for the majority of movie goeres who know more about the film and how it should be than a bunch of uptight, naive, my child is the best in the world, out of shape, television feed idiots. Anyway, I went on again, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Yes it does seem odd that they don't have even a website up yet.
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> I think you guys are too demanding. Cut Fox some slack, and remember: All good thing things come to those that wait. So just wait, and as Zira said to Taylor, "and keep quiet."
>

I thought the same thing since 73...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
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> You're right about Caesar's prosthetics.....good in Conquest but bad in Battle.
> I sometimes wonder if they were just trying to make him look older since it was
> supposed to be roughly 20 years later.
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Nice to see your posts again, a person I always seemed to be in agreement in because you concentrated on video and audio quality like I always did and why I am a pain in the neck. I just received my copy also and had the same reservations but was not quite sure because I was not a TTC fanatic. Audio seems so very much problematic with so many films and I notice but most fans havnt a clue. With bluray people concentrate to much on the video and as usual audio gets second or thirdrate notice. Watch a film without audio and see how unimportant it is.Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
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> This reviews for Blu-ray release of THE TEN COMMANDMENTS is like so many other reviews, more synopsis rather than critique on quality. There is no mention of how the 5.1 mix is completely different and in many ways lacking over the previous DVD and even laserdisc release. In fact it even is missing sound effects.  The stereo surrounds have been over 50% cut off from steered effects. Music has been re-mixed louder covering up sound effects. During the parting of the Red Sea music completely fades out completely leaving a void in the track since wind has been mixed down to an almost unheard level. In the same scene the pillar of fire’s swirling roar is gone â€" which previously was directed into the surround. The churning waters once they have been parted was heard in the surrounds as well, now also gone. Moving thunder that traveled from one side of the surrounds to the other is also gone when Moses comes down from the mountain.
> Sounds of slaves digging in the pits heard in the surrounds is now lost too. This mix is robust but missing so much it horrible. Worse of all not one reviewer noticed or mentioned the vastly different mix and how it falls short from the previous. Visually stunning, it’s a shame PARAMOUNT really screwed this up with this poorly mix edition.
>

Thank you John. I am very upset sine this is one of my favorite film. The last time it sounded this bad was the 35th Annivervary release when some idiot re-mixed that release in a similar way, as if it were a musical! I felt the same way when PLANET made its way to BLU (there, now no onw can complain this is off topic)

- Scott

--- On Sat, 4/2/11, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

> From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: (OT) TTC's first review is in!
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 3:02 PM
>
>
>
> Nice to see your posts again, a person I always
> seemed to be in agreement in because you concentrated on
> video and audio quality like I always did and why I am a
> pain in the neck. I just received my copy also and had the
> same reservations but was not quite sure because I was not a
> TTC fanatic. Audio seems so very much problematic with so
> many films and I notice but most fans havnt a clue. With
> bluray people concentrate to much on the video and as usual
> audio gets second or thirdrate notice. Watch a film without
> audio and see how unimportant it is.Take care, John M.
>
>
>

*** I prefer the original hair Cornelius had, it looked more "ape-like"...
Plus, in action scenes (especially on the TV series with Roddy's double), I
find it annoying watching locks of hair flopping all over... ***





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*** I agree with the darker skin tone... Plus his ears seemed more
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> It seems that Caesar had deeper lines and was colored a shade darker....

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I wont pester you anymore but what do you think of this restoration thats going on with POTA68 from 35mm prints(If you heard,im sure) finally. Will the sound get a new restored treatment also? Did they find the aledge 4 track magnetic or atleast a very good mono? Will the rest of the Apes ever get done ,mostly Conquest and the lost or choped up prolouge, where parts were used later on in the film? I had friends and connections that had better elements than lazy Fox had. Better audio just down the block at RCA and some 35mm elements but told by Bart Pierce that better sound and elements are not around even though when all the Apes are on HBO/Cinemax they have great elements both in sound and vision.
I remember articles you wrote for some magazines or film and laser magazines(I forgot, but I still have them in my attic. When I fought with Fox around 1991-93 I remember your writtings were nearby. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
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> Thank you John. I am very upset sine this is one of my favorite film. The last time it sounded this bad was the 35th Annivervary release when some idiot re-mixed that release in a similar way, as if it were a musical! I felt the same way when PLANET made its way to BLU (there, now no onw can complain this is off topic)
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What a nice way to celebrate Eric's birthday.

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Yes you could be right.Never thought about that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
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> You're right about Caesar's prosthetics.....good in Conquest but bad in Battle.
> I sometimes wonder if they were just trying to make him look older since it was
> supposed to be roughly 20 years later.
>

Being half jewish and the foundations and such that Eric has done for Israel and showing that Germans arent total monsters have done alot for relations and for a man who's so obvious teutonic its no wonder Israel has erected statues to him and for him. He is a great and very honest man, Happy Birthday,Otto, or is it Victor, Take care , John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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>
> What a nice way to celebrate Eric's birthday.
>

Good post. If your last name starts with an M and Florida has a part in your life, you wrote some articles also IIRC. I valued your opinions also. The reason I go on and on is because I have seen and heard great elements. They are still on Cable and down the block so that drives me nuts. I hate Bullsh*****. So I challenged these people at CBS/Fox video and then Fox and I realize Ill never get anywhere.
Thats why I hope this restoration can start some kind of trend with Blurays in general and Apes specifically. Take care , John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> I haven't had time yet to put TTC in my Blu-ray player, but these problems Scott brings up about the sound mix don't surprise me at all. I think there's no one really that works on these things that is THE authority on how it should be. The original directors, DPs, sound editors, etc., are all dead. The home video companies are a revolving door of executives, and even those guys that seems to always be there, like George Felenstein (or whatever his name is at Warners) can't know everything. Plus, these restoration projects and the resulting mastering for the discs are farmed out to companies we've never heard of and probably didn't exist five years ago. Just count your blessings that there's anyone who cares or goes to the effort.
>
> Nothing is ever perfect. As good as I think the Blu-ray transfer of THE SOUND OF MUSIC is, there are fans that still say the color isn't right, and now the problem is compounded with so many different transfers out there from the various releases on home video of so many classic films (just look at all the comparasions at DVD Beaver). And, just you wait Henry Higgins, just you wait for the complaints from fans when STAR WARS hits Blu-ray.
>
> I've given up caring too much about these things -- except for PLANET and a few others of my favorites -- BECAUSE IT"LL DRIVE YOU NUTS AND RUIN THE MOVIES FOR YOU!!!!
>
> -- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

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> And this is a good example of what I'm talking about; that Hungarian -- or whatever country -- comic book makes Boulle's novel look like an old Sandra Dee comedy, with James Darren yet!
>
> My imagination is a thousand times better than that Hungarian goof fest.
>
> -- Rory
>

I have to agree that the pictured novel isn't a substitute for the Boulle book it's based upon, but I do think that for what it is, it's not a bad job. However, maybe the last line of that comic novel should read: "Now that you've read this, please go and read the book for a richer experience." I don't really see a problem with this comic novel, as long as it doesn't supplant the original in the reader's mind.


Graham

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