I work from home and live a mile from the theater, so I'll probably catch a matinee that day, without needing to take the day off. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> So, how many here plan to take the day off from work on Friday, August 5th.... to go see a movie?
>
> I do.
>

Here's the channel for the "Rise of the POTA" live chat today (2:30 PM Pacific, 5:30 PM Eastern):

http://www.livestream.com/planetoftheapesmovie

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Depends on many factors. I'll know better in August.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> So, how many here plan to take the day off from work on Friday, August 5th.... to go see a movie?
>
> I do.
>

Thanks Jeff!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the channel for the "Rise of the POTA" live chat today (2:30 PM Pacific, 5:30 PM Eastern):
>
> http://www.livestream.com/planetoftheapesmovie
>

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I work from home and live a mile from the theater, so I'll probably catch a matinee that day, without needing to take the day off. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> So, how many here plan to take the day off from work on Friday, August 5th.... to go see a movie?
>
> I do.
>

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WETA's Joe Letteri spoke to the L.A. Times in advance of today's chat and confirmed that the apes won't (speak, that is). He says that was one of the challenges, creating a character without words.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/04/13/rise-of-the-apes-weta-wizards-speak-but-the-monkeys-wont/

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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 8:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: silence is golden in "Rise"


WETA's Joe Letteri spoke to the L.A. Times in advance of today's chat and confirmed that the apes won't (speak, that is). He says that was one of the challenges, creating a character without words.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/04/13/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-weta-wizards-speak-but-the-monkeys-wont/

The teaser trailer for "Rise of the POTA" is scheduled to hit the 'net at 12:01 AM Pacific, 3:01 AM Eastern tonight/morning.
Oh! It's already here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9tNceOfKXY

Haven't seen this one before:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49266

That trailer looked like garbage. One of those scenes was clearly from Resident Evil (the helixes in the tubes). The footage from the other apes movies was blurry and that shot of James Franco was from another movie.

But on the serious side, I thought the release date was November?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The teaser trailer for "Rise of the POTA" is scheduled to hit the 'net at 12:01 AM Pacific, 3:01 AM Eastern tonight/morning.
> Oh! It's already here.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9tNceOfKXY
>

Nice! Looks like a rehearsal shot - cool room details!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Haven't seen this one before:
>
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49266
>

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Haven't seen this one before:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49266

Good stuff on the chat. Hopefully it will be archived somewhere so everyone can see it. For now it looks like they keep repeating it. About a half hour. I didn't know it was going to be an actual video, I thought it would be people typing. Dan Jolin of "Empire" magazine moderates.
Starts with a video of behind the scenes with comments by director Rupert Wyatt, then live from New Zealand with the WETA guys, Dan Lemmon and Joe Letteri. Obviously most of the questions were about CG. They talked about how they build from one movie to another, stuff developed for "Avatar" helped this, etc. They said one of the advantages of this flick is that the apes are roughly the same size as the humans so it's easier to facilitate the CG actors while filming (the "Avatar" folks and Kong were big, Gollum was small compared to the people playing them). Letteri said WETA was particularly interested because it's an origin story and showing how the apes develop.
Andy Serkis joins them and has great praise for the script, the director and Franco. Says his character goes through a "beautifully written" character arc. He also says he based Caesar on the famous humanzee (Oliver). Says there's no comparison really with doing "King Kong" because the characters go on different journeys. They also showed some footage of Caesar and I noticed he wiggles his nose like Roddy used to do. I loved that touch!
There is some really cool concept art and the finale looks like it will be incredible. It ends with a couple secs of tonight's trailer.

Thanks Jeff!

Group members who missed the chat can see it here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/WETA.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Good stuff on the chat. Hopefully it will be archived somewhere so everyone can see it. For now it looks like they keep repeating it. About a half hour. I didn't know it was going to be an actual video, I thought it would be people typing. Dan Jolin of "Empire" magazine moderates.
> Starts with a video of behind the scenes with comments by director Rupert Wyatt, then live from New Zealand with the WETA guys, Dan Lemmon and Joe Letteri. Obviously most of the questions were about CG. They talked about how they build from one movie to another, stuff developed for "Avatar" helped this, etc. They said one of the advantages of this flick is that the apes are roughly the same size as the humans so it's easier to facilitate the CG actors while filming (the "Avatar" folks and Kong were big, Gollum was small compared to the people playing them). Letteri said WETA was particularly interested because it's an origin story and showing how the apes develop.
> Andy Serkis joins them and has great praise for the script, the director and Franco. Says his character goes through a "beautifully written" character arc. He also says he based Caesar on the famous humanzee (Oliver). Says there's no comparison really with doing "King Kong" because the characters go on different journeys. They also showed some footage of Caesar and I noticed he wiggles his nose like Roddy used to do. I loved that touch!
> There is some really cool concept art and the finale looks like it will be incredible. It ends with a couple secs of tonight's trailer.
>

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Fantastic. Cannot wait. I absolutly believe it will be great. Not the typicle Hollywood BS to ME. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Jeff!
>
> Group members who missed the chat can see it here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/WETA.htm
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/WETA.htm>
>

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The rockin' concept art from the chat is available at the Facebook page. Unless this works:

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Looks exactly like I thought but it seemed incomplete. The sound effects and music were non exsistent in my view.
It premeired at 3 A.M. and I couldnt get through for a while. One site had 19,000 hits in 10 minutes. The monster sites and such were all jammed up on account of Apes Im pretty sure.
Their has to be a longer over 2 minute trailer and I hope its alittle more polished. The Apes looked very good. John M.

Some key images from the trailer are posted in the files section for study.

<http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/RISE_TRAILER_IMAGES/>

I noticed the captive ape demanding a cookie has human style eyes too.

Dave

Thanks Jeff!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "They're not people, you know?"
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rise-Of-The-Planet-Of-The-Apes-Trailer-Conquers-Earth-24196.htmlbr>>

Very cool! Thanks Dave.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Some key images from the trailer are posted in the files section for study.
>
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/RISE_TRAILER_IMAGES/>
>
> I noticed the captive ape demanding a cookie has human style eyes too.
>
> Dave
>

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With all the excitement about the trailer the release of the Rise teaser poster has been overlooked.

A larger version is available on the group website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Rise.htm and the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Rise.htm

They may not be people, but they're the coolest beings I've seen in decades.I had anticipated some very bland quotes and clips for a first trailer.What we've got just blows my mind with possibilities.There are some awesome set pieces hinted at.The concept art, with Apes prowling the Golden Gate cables, is magnificent---those are, for me, iconic images already.Does anybody else think of Cornelius in Escape demanding oranges when Caesar here demands more from Franco? This film is exciting and I truly feel Apes is getting a new launch pad to send the franchise back into orbit---just imagine what a SEQUEL could do???!!! I'm a very happy monkey.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "They're not people, you know?"
>
> http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rise-Of-The-Planet-Of-The-Apes-Trailer-Conquers-Earth-24196.html"
>

When you study these screen grabs and even enlarge them, the face of Caesar is just INSANELY good---I can't see how a real chimp could look more realistic.This is going to be a Conquest with budget, claws, fangs and fur.Wow, wow, wow! Burton is now windwiped from my memory.Thankyou WETA!!!!! And thanks Dave! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Some key images from the trailer are posted in the files section for study.
>
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/RISE_TRAILER_IMAGES/>
>
> I noticed the captive ape demanding a cookie has human style eyes too.
>
> Dave
>

Agree! :) John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> They may not be people, but they're the coolest beings I've seen in decades.I had anticipated some very bland quotes and clips for a first trailer.What we've got just blows my mind with possibilities.There are some awesome set pieces hinted at.The concept art, with Apes prowling the Golden Gate cables, is magnificent---those are, for me, iconic images already.Does anybody else think of Cornelius in Escape demanding oranges when Caesar here demands more from Franco? This film is exciting and I truly feel Apes is getting a new launch pad to send the franchise back into orbit---just imagine what a SEQUEL could do???!!! I'm a very happy monkey.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > "They're not people, you know?"
> >
> > http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rise-Of-The-Planet-Of-The-Apes-Trailer-Conquers-Earth-24196.html"
> >
>

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When it rains, it pours, and so it is with "Rise of the POTA". In less than 24 hours it's gone from 0 to 60 (will it hit 100? Dunno). Even the interviews done during filming are coming out. Here's some stuff from Collider:

overview:
http://collider.com/set-visit-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/85807/

Franco interview:
http://collider.com/james-franco-on-set-interview-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/85819/

ape-maestros Andy Serkis and Terry Notary:
http://collider.com/andy-serkis-terry-notary-interview-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/85810/

As I read the many messages, I have to draw a conclusion between two long running franchises in SF, namely Star Trek (a bit more successful than Apes, no offense intended) and Apes. Both fans are supremely knowledgable in their franchises, with the slightest minutea observered, filed away for future reference and discussed to the nth degree. Also there have been crossovers of stars and behind the scenes crew (John Chambers created the first Spock ears). But I wonder this: how many Apes fans are Star Trek fans and viceversa. I ask this because (and I've had this argument many times) it seems some fans of both (especially Trekkies) are insular, thinking that there is no Science Fiction outside of the Star Trek universe. Myself, I am a Science Fiction fan over and above all, so I don't draw distinctions. Plenty of room in my existence for all branches of SF.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Supreme Dalek <mhorg2018@...> wrote:

As I read the many messages, I have to draw a conclusion between two long running franchises in SF, namely Star Trek (a bit more successful than Apes, no offense intended) and Apes. Both fans are supremely knowledgable in their franchises, with the slightest minutea observered, filed away for future reference and discussed to the nth degree. Also there have been crossovers of stars and behind the scenes crew (John Chambers created the first Spock ears). But I wonder this: how many Apes fans are Star Trek fans and viceversa. I ask this because (and I've had this argument many times) it seems some fans of both (especially Trekkies) are insular, thinking that there is no Science Fiction outside of the Star Trek universe. Myself, I am a Science Fiction fan over and above all, so I don't draw distinctions. Plenty of room in my existence for all branches of SF.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Supreme Dalek" <mhorg2018@...> wrote:

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> Myself, I am a Science Fiction fan over and above all, so I don't draw distinctions. Plenty of room in my existence for all branches of SF.
>

I don't just stick to one theme in science fiction, nor do I stick to one genre: I'll go with genres such as science fiction through to romance, as long as it's well done, has feeling and is thought provoking. As well as Apes, on the science fiction front I like TOS and TNG, Firefly, Futurama, BSG (recent only), Blake's 7, as well as a lot of films of the science fiction genres. I'd rather be omnivorous than restrict myself to one diet or foodstuff. It's so much more interesting, surprising and fulfilling to experience different things.


Graham

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox/apeswillrise/

The real trailer. Pretty impressive, but I'm still not sold on it. When I see it in August, perhaps then... until then - jury is out.

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What I always got from Conquest(my Fav) is that the Apes winning a riot did not have them take over the world. As Caesars speech said they(the Apes) will wait for Mans downfall (where ,I dont know) and will rise up from the ruins to take over whats left.
I always get infuriated when 12 year old minded critics go "How can they take over the world from this riot, just send in the air force". The two answers are Apes, like Scott said were imbedded in our culture all over the world and could take over "even an emporer moth can communicate"....)or The Apes in Conquest were the only Apes in the world "North America" and the world was on the brink of armegedon and their riot agettated human civilazation or just as Caesar again said "We will wait for Mans Doownfall". That is what I always felt. The Apes kicked our ass and dispersed and Man finnaly really did it and out of this mess came our "Planet of the Apes'.
I think the new apes will go that path also. It could go where the apes are so smart that they somehow destroy man somehow. Remember this film is supposed to fit into the 1968 Apes storyline, only updated. We shall see.
The Trailer just seemed rushed, alittle unfinished and I bet another even longer trailer will be put out within a couple of months. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> The one thing I just can't get over is the idea of a bunch of apes running amok leads to nothing. In CONQUEST they were so embedded within our society it meant something. Although it was never really brought to light, the apes in CONQUEST seemed to be a part of most if not all countries. That would lead to more of a threat rather a bunch that could easily be tracked down and destroyed by the military here and now. The better end with the birth of a more evolved ape as we're used or else this is just an exercise is rip-off.
> - Scott B.
>

> Scott Bosco: "The one thing I just can't get over is the idea of a bunch of apes running amok leads to nothing. In CONQUEST they were so embedded within our society it meant something. Although it was never really brought to light, the apes in CONQUEST seemed to be a part of most if not all countries. That would lead to more of a threat rather a bunch that could easily be tracked down and destroyed by the military here and now. The better end with the birth of a more evolved ape as we're used or else this is just an exercise is rip-off."

> John Mermigas: "What I always got from 'Conquest' (my Fav)is that the Apes winning a riot did not have them take over the world. As Caesar's speech said, they (the Apes) will wait for Man's downfall (where ,I dont know) and will rise up from the ruins to take over what's left."

If you read between the lines of the Lawgiver's prologue to "Battle for the Planet of the Apes", you can readily infer that the rebellion of the apes inadvertently provided the perfect pretext for one rival human super power to take advantage of the U.S.'s momentary situation and launch an offensive nuclear strike. From there, it grew into all-out Armageddon.

I agree with Scott Bosco: The "Conquest"-like rebellion scenario suggested by "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" seems a bit too ambitious for the escaped apes of a solitary company laboratory experiment to accomplish. In other words, since the company in "Rise" is not Ape Management per se but a solitary company trying to come up with a cure for something akin to Alzheimer's Disease, they're not purposefully looking for ways to enhance simian intelligence in order to exploit apes as more sophisticated service apes or servant apes.

If "Rise" succeeds, then I'm inclined to want to anticipate a sequel to "Rise" which would be a genuine new "Conquest" -- perhaps to be more aptly named "Birth of the Planet of the Apes". The unintended consequences of a solitary company laboratory experiment on a select group of experimental-subject apes just seems a more unlikely scenario to spawn anything remotely as epic as the scenario posed by "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes".

The laboratory apes recalled by the ancestral memories of the mute humans in Pierre Boulle's "Planet of the Apes" book existed in a society where apes were already being used as servants.

> John Mermigas: "I always get infuriated when 12-year-old minded critics go 'How can they take over the world from this riot? Just send in the Air Force.' The two answers are 'Apes,' like Scott said, 'were imbedded in our culture all over the world and could take over ("even an emperor moth can communicate"....) or the Apes in 'Conquest' were the only Apes in the world ('North America') and the world was on the brink of Armaggedon and their riot agitated human civilazation or just as Caesar again said, 'We will wait for Man's Downfall.' That is what I always felt. The Apes kicked our ass and dispersed and Man finnaly really did it and out of this mess came our 'Planet of the Apes'."

And yet, some of the escaping former-slave ape populations would have been decimated by the nuclear war as well. What's more, the 12-year-old critics may not be aware of what the police state envisioned by "Conquest" entails. As to the Air Force question, you can simply say that military forces wouldn't be used within the United States because it would risk inadvertently killing some of the civilian population ("collateral damage from friendly fire"). And at that future time, there is something more akin to a metropolitan National Guard-like police force there.

> John Mermigas: "I think the new apes will go that path also. It could go where the apes are so smart that they somehow destroy man somehow. Remember this film is supposed to fit into the 1968 'Apes' storyline, only updated. We shall see."

Although "Rise of the Apes" might fit into the timeline that led to the original "Planet of the Apes" that Colonel Taylor landed in, I thought 20th Century-Fox was trying to reboot the entires series. After all, if they were trying to fill in the gaps of the original "Planet of the Apes" storyline, the leader of the apes of "Rise" would be Aldo and not Caesar.

> John Mermigas: "The Trailer just seemed rushed, a little unfinished and I bet another even longer trailer will be put out within a couple of months."

Yes, it's a sneak preview of sorts and is meant to be more of a teaser trailer. I just hope a longer trailer won't give away too many of the surprises much less the major plot points of the entire movie.

NICE!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The rockin' concept art from the chat is available at the Facebook page. Unless this works:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?fbid=178867552161506&id=117612274953701&aid=36769
>

Nice breakdown of our opinions. I was 12 years old , almost 13, when Conquest was released and even I knew?that the apes couldnt take over the world especially since Caesar said so. "The day of the writing in the sky"...... "when Man turns his weapons against their own kind". Caesar, weather told by Armando or having incredible insight knew Man would eventually blow himself up and what was left of both Ape and Man will repopulate the Earth,(especially New York). My theory is that the radiation maybe made the already virus infected Apes smarter and made Man on the Earths surface become dumb brutes (with a little help from the Apes) and Man underground with more radiation around into super mind powered freaks and a warped set of values. This theory is from me as a 11-14 year old. Its just a good ironic/allegorical/misinthropic view of where man was headed according to 60s culture and zietgist. I hope if the "Rise apes" are popular they make alot of good story arcs like the originals. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> > Scott Bosco: "The one thing I just can't get over is the idea of a bunch of apes running amok leads to nothing. In CONQUEST they were so embedded within our society it meant something. Although it was never really brought to light, the apes in CONQUEST seemed to be a part of most if not all countries. That would lead to more of a threat rather a bunch that could easily be tracked down and destroyed by the military here and now. The better end with the birth of a more evolved ape as we're used or else this is just an exercise is rip-off."
>
> > John Mermigas: "What I always got from 'Conquest' (my Fav)is that the Apes winning a riot did not have them take over the world. As Caesar's speech said, they (the Apes) will wait for Man's downfall (where ,I dont know) and will rise up from the ruins to take over what's left."
>
> If you read between the lines of the Lawgiver's prologue to "Battle for the Planet of the Apes", you can readily infer that the rebellion of the apes inadvertently provided the perfect pretext for one rival human super power to take advantage of the U.S.'s momentary situation and launch an offensive nuclear strike. From there, it grew into all-out Armageddon.
>
> I agree with Scott Bosco: The "Conquest"-like rebellion scenario suggested by "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" seems a bit too ambitious for the escaped apes of a solitary company laboratory experiment to accomplish. In other words, since the company in "Rise" is not Ape Management per se but a solitary company trying to come up with a cure for something akin to Alzheimer's Disease, they're not purposefully looking for ways to enhance simian intelligence in order to exploit apes as more sophisticated service apes or servant apes.
>
> If "Rise" succeeds, then I'm inclined to want to anticipate a sequel to "Rise" which would be a genuine new "Conquest" -- perhaps to be more aptly named "Birth of the Planet of the Apes". The unintended consequences of a solitary company laboratory experiment on a select group of experimental-subject apes just seems a more unlikely scenario to spawn anything remotely as epic as the scenario posed by "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes".
>
> The laboratory apes recalled by the ancestral memories of the mute humans in Pierre Boulle's "Planet of the Apes" book existed in a society where apes were already being used as servants.
>
>
> > John Mermigas: "I always get infuriated when 12-year-old minded critics go 'How can they take over the world from this riot? Just send in the Air Force.' The two answers are 'Apes,' like Scott said, 'were imbedded in our culture all over the world and could take over ("even an emperor moth can communicate"....) or the Apes in 'Conquest' were the only Apes in the world ('North America') and the world was on the brink of Armaggedon and their riot agitated human civilazation or just as Caesar again said, 'We will wait for Man's Downfall.' That is what I always felt. The Apes kicked our ass and dispersed and Man finnaly really did it and out of this mess came our 'Planet of the Apes'."
>
> And yet, some of the escaping former-slave ape populations would have been decimated by the nuclear war as well. What's more, the 12-year-old critics may not be aware of what the police state envisioned by "Conquest" entails. As to the Air Force question, you can simply say that military forces wouldn't be used within the United States because it would risk inadvertently killing some of the civilian population ("collateral damage from friendly fire"). And at that future time, there is something more akin to a metropolitan National Guard-like police force there.
>
>
> > John Mermigas: "I think the new apes will go that path also. It could go where the apes are so smart that they somehow destroy man somehow. Remember this film is supposed to fit into the 1968 'Apes' storyline, only updated. We shall see."
>
> Although "Rise of the Apes" might fit into the timeline that led to the original "Planet of the Apes" that Colonel Taylor landed in, I thought 20th Century-Fox was trying to reboot the entires series. After all, if they were trying to fill in the gaps of the original "Planet of the Apes" storyline, the leader of the apes of "Rise" would be Aldo and not Caesar.
>
>
> > John Mermigas: "The Trailer just seemed rushed, a little unfinished and I bet another even longer trailer will be put out within a couple of months."
>
> Yes, it's a sneak preview of sorts and is meant to be more of a teaser trailer. I just hope a longer trailer won't give away too many of the surprises much less the major plot points of the entire movie.
>

According to this, Fox is partnering with the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund on "Rise of the POTA" to bring awareness of animal experimentation.

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/04/14/rise-of-the-apes-proves-cgi-can-replace-animals-in-film-video/

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I was sucked in by the

trailers for the last one.

One thing i really don't like is scenes in it that

aren't even in the film.  Thade never did say,

"Bring me the Space Man!"  He couldn't.

because there was a scene with him killing the only witnesses on the

pod that Leo landed in.  To me

that just disingenuous on the

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The real trailer. Pretty impressive, but I'm still not sold on it. When I see it in August, perhaps then... until then - jury is out.

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To me, the missing parts of the series were there for a reason.

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John Mermigas: "Nice breakdown of our opinions. I was 12 years old , almost 13, when Conquest was released and even I knew that the apes couldn't take over the world, especially since Caesar said so."

Well, that's what Caesar told McDonald, only Caesar conceeded that although his rebellion might be doomed to failure this time, and perhaps even the next thereafter, they had to continue to resist in order to acquire power. Caesar almost sounded resigned to be a martyr, that he possibly wouldn't live to see that day when the apes won their freedom. However, since he knew his parents had come from the future world dominated by apes, Caesar knew that apes were bound to eventually succeed somehow sometime in the future.

What Caesar did forsee was how his rebellion would inevitably escalate into a more widespread revolution and create a chain reaction of cascading events that served to destabilize the USA and present a prime opportunity for a militariliy-ambitious superpower rival to take advantage of the situation and launch a nuclear strike.


John Mermigas: "'The day of the writing in the sky...... when Man turns his weapons against their own kind.' Caesar, wheather told by Armando or having incredible insight, knew Man would eventually blow himself up and what was left of both Ape and Man will repopulate the Earth,(especially New York)."

Is your take on it similar to mine: that the police-state city of the future portrayed in "Conquest" was supposed to be a future Albany, New York?


John Mermigas: "My theory is that the radiation maybe made the already-virus-infected Apes smarter and made Man on the Earths surface become dumb brutes (with a little help from the Apes) and Man underground with more radiation around into super mind powered freaks and a warped set of values. This theory is from me as a (then) 11-14 year old."

I'm inferring that the virus you're referring to as infecting the apes was the same one that proved fatal to dogs and cats. I've never inferred any causation of the rise of ape intelligence in "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" to that plague.

The generation of apes conceived and born after the nuclear war could certainly have benefitted if they'd been affected in vitro and genetically mutated a into more intelligent species of apes. I for one don't take too literally the Lawgiver's version of Caesar's adventures in "Battle"; i.e. I don't infer that many apes had acquired the power of speech or advanced intelligence. As the morality tale within the narrative, however, it doesn't need to be too literal anyway. (Yes, I'm suggesting the heresy that later ape historians took liberties with oral histories of Caesar's biography and embellished it with more talking, intelligent apes than actually existed at the time of "Battle". That lack of literalism would also explain why we saw apes in "Battle" attired in the same utilitarian simian fashions of an era a millenium or two hence.)


John Mermigas: "It's just a good ironic/allegorical/misinthropic view of where man was headed according to '60s culture and zietgist."

On the contrary, with the alteration to the original ending of "Conquest", the series took on a more redemptive tone that uplifted the storyline to a whole new level. Ironically, however, screenwriter Paul Dehn seemed bent on creating a vicious nihilistic circle of a storyline. The more redemptive new ending to "Conquest" seemed like an evocative reply of Ebeneezer Scrooge to the Ghost of Christmas Future, when he cried out in despair, "Why show me these visions of the future if I cannot by an altered life change them?"

Well, although there's no Ebeneezer Scrooge or Ghost of Christmas Future in "Conquest", there IS the realization of that notion in "Battle" when Caesar views the videotapes of his late mother and father and says that he wants to avoid that future. In that respect, Caesar apparently not only wanted to give meaning to his parents' deaths but also give meaning to that of Armando, his human adoptive father: to affect a reconcilliation of sorts between the species (apes and humans).

That "Battle" ended with the statue of Caesar crying a single tear was more profound to me in the minutes after I first saw it because while I thought at first that it must have been a tear of joy, minutes later, I realized: "Wait! The human girl had asked the Lawgiver, 'Who knows the future?' And the Lawgiver had replied, 'Perhaps only the dead.' So, that miraculous tear shed by Caesar statue might well have been one of sorrow for if the Lawgiver was right and if Caesar's spirit had been able to forsee the future, then he might well have been heartbroken.

It's somewhat like the ending of the classic "The Lady OR The Tiger?" story, only the ending to "Battle" suggests that we, the viewing audience, will ultimately decide by the future we collectively choose whether Caesar's statue was crying for joy or out of sorrow.

But by no means was it nihilistic -- although it *could* have been if they hadn't rethought the ending to "Conquest" and much of the entire storyline for "Battle".


John Mermigas: "I hope if the "Rise apes" are popular they make alot of good story arcs like the originals."

If there were a single visionary director behind this effort, I would have more confidence in its aspirations. At this point, the jury is still out on Director Rupert Wyatt who has only one notable major film credit, "The Escapist", to his name.

Yes, even though he's produced numerous shorts, documentaries and features, including the Sundance Award-winning documentary "Dark Days," I'm unsure of his ability to handle films with science fiction themes intelligently. His "Escapist" movie was a prison-break movie, which is tangentially relevant to the notion of apes breaking out of their own cages in "Rise of the Planet of the Apes."

Hopefully, this film will give rise to an all-out ape revolution a la "Conquest" -- a genuine "Birth of the Planet of the Apes" -- as a sequel.

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@> wrote:
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> > Although "Rise of the Apes" might fit into the timeline that led to the original "Planet of the Apes" that Colonel Taylor landed in, I thought 20th Century-Fox was trying to reboot the entires series. After all, if they were trying to fill in the gaps of the original "Planet of the Apes" storyline, the leader of the apes of "Rise" would be Aldo and not Caesar.
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> > Yes, it's a sneak preview of sorts and is meant to be more of a teaser trailer. I just hope a longer trailer won't give away too many of the surprises much less the major plot points of the entire movie.

TGIF! This week's installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY is now available.

To view the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

Also, the RISE trailer is now on the group website (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer1.htm) and the mirror site (http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer1.htm). It's in Quicktime format so there should be no viewing issues for anyone.

Speaking of viewing issues, the Radio Ads video is now available on YouTube for those unable to view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v33rRppf9M

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That pic of 'Stewart' is amazing.From the costumes, you'd have to guess that this was taken the day Taylor first spoke.What a wonderful image--thanks for sharing!A nice anchor to the old stuff when we're so excited about the new stuff! John, Scrolls.

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It's a great cause in its own right, obviously, but if I can be totally mercenary in the same vein as the publicist who, on hearing Elvis was dead, exclaimed 'What a great career move!', Fox linking Fossey to this would be an inspired way to help promote this film.We've got the current pin up boy, a great cause and a fantastic trailer.Whoop, whooop, whoooopp!!! John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> According to this, Fox is partnering with the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund on "Rise of the POTA" to bring awareness of animal experimentation.
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

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Well, one of my favourite science fiction films is The Day the Earth Stood Still (my nick gives me away), which is a classic '50s film (which was quite different from a lot of the other '50s science fiction films in its tone). As for the '30s Flash Gordon serial, I do remember watching it as a child in the '70s, but always felt it was a bit childish for me even then. However, it was one of the first "science fiction" serials, so I suppose some slack needs to be given, and it was aimed at a child audience.

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> One thing though, I don't enjoy METROPOLIS that much.

Sacrilege! OK, it has its issues and you can complain about the story, but those sets and the effects for the time! I know, effects shouldn't be elevated as the supreme art of a film (which is a fear of mine about the coming Apes film, seeing we're getting "from the guys who made Avatar" thrust at us ahead of director, actor, etc... but I digress), but if one thing really wows, it's the ahead of the time effects in Metropolis. I still enjoy the film for other things, though, although I can see its problems for some, but like Flash Gordon, it should be given some slack for when it was made back in the twenties... although it's far from a children's film. ;)


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I read that script, which they seem to be pretty much doing. There's no virus, it all deals with the Alzheimer's cure, what it does to apes (and humans).


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:53 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise of the POTA trailer






The one thing I just can't get over is the idea of a bunch of apes running amok leads to nothing. In CONQUEST they were so embedded within our society it meant something. Although it was never really brought to light, the apes in CONQUEST seemed to be a part of most if not all countries. That would lead to more of a threat rather a bunch that could easily be tracked down and destroyed by the military here and now. The better end with the birth of a more evolved ape as we're used or else this is just an exercise is rip-off.
- Scott B.





I haven't read the (early draft) script for this thing -- as others here have -- but my understanding is that a virus (developed by whom, I don't know), a kind of "Satan Bug" that only kills humans but not apes, is released by Caesar and starts doing its thing at the conclusion. So, it doesn't lead to "nothing."

I expect that if there's a sequel to RISE (and there probably will be), it's going to be something like THE ROAD WARRIOR but with apes.

-- Rory

I am probably more insular than inclusive. I like Science Fiction, but I'm not immediately drawn to everything in that genre. I have always liked the original Star Trek (and selected aspects of the franchise), but I don't consider myself a "fan" in the sense of pursuing conversations about it (or caring about continuity, canonicity, or re-boots). When it comes to that level of interest in franchises, I'm only a fan of Planet of the Apes and Doctor Who. No other fictional universes (of the ones that have interested me enough to experience) consistently (well, mostly) provide the characters, situations, and social commentary that I feel ought to be explored in Science Fiction. Doctor Who has a *much* broader scope, but PotA explores issues of politics, religion, and (especially) social stratification through racialized identities (initially through allegory, but eventually explicitly) with an intelligence and depth that, I think, is unique.

And it has gorillas on horseback! ;-)

Scott

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Supreme Dalek" <mhorg2018@...> wrote:
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> As I read the many messages, I have to draw a conclusion between two long running franchises in SF, namely Star Trek (a bit more successful than Apes, no offense intended) and Apes. Both fans are supremely knowledgable in their franchises, with the slightest minutea observered, filed away for future reference and discussed to the nth degree. Also there have been crossovers of stars and behind the scenes crew (John Chambers created the first Spock ears). But I wonder this: how many Apes fans are Star Trek fans and viceversa. I ask this because (and I've had this argument many times) it seems some fans of both (especially Trekkies) are insular, thinking that there is no Science Fiction outside of the Star Trek universe. Myself, I am a Science Fiction fan over and above all, so I don't draw distinctions. Plenty of room in my existence for all branches of SF.
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Here's a great interview with the director Rupert Wyatt done yesterday after the trailer hit. Worth reading if you want to know where this guy's coming from. Talks about fan expectations, etc.

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-director-rupert-wyatt-qa/

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dear group, here is some different heston items to look at. good artwork on the spanish planet poster. from william burge

*** I thought the new BOOM! comic was going to do that, visually at
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Wednesday's "Rise of the POTA" live chat is now available on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UUlNIkL6c

Ahem! ...is now on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UUlvNIkL6c



From: Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:49 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: live chat revisited


Wednesday's "Rise of the POTA" live chat is now available on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UUlNIkL6c

Though not outright banning them, China is turning a suspicious eye on depictions of time travel in entertainment (this means you, POTA!) because such portrayals "lack positive thoughts and meaning". They won't rest until Rich Handley is out of business.

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/making-tv-safer-chinese-censors-crack-down-on-time-travel/

Jeff K: "Though not outright banning them, China is turning a suspicious eye on depictions of time travel in entertainment (this means you, POTA!) because such portrayals 'lack positive thoughts and meaning'...."

> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/making-tv-safer-chinese-censors-crack-down-on-time-travel/

It wouldn't surprise me if this adamant finger-waving directive resulted in popularizing time travel in such programs all the moreso.

Apparently, the totalitarian Chinese government wants to discourage people from wondering "What if...?" about any alternate past, future or current situation. After all, this is the same totalitarian Chinese government which censors its state-controlled Internet search engines and which prevented (and for all I know, still may prevent) Chinese citizens from using the search-parameter terms "Egypt" and "Mubarak" to learn about the Egyptian demonstrations in Cairo.

Jeff K: "Here's a great interview with the director Rupert Wyatt done yesterday after the trailer hit. Worth reading if you want to know where this guy's coming from. Talks about fan expectations, etc.

> http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-director-rupert-wyatt-qa/

From the following interview excerpt, I think I'm ready to wager a spoiler guess as to how Caesar and his apes manage to make a revolution out of their breakout from the laboratory complex. First, the interview excerpt:

> Interviewer Alex Billington: "How did you make the apes a menacing force that we could believe is capable of taking on humanity? Fans have been wondering if we'll see the apes use any weapons in the movie?:

> Director Rupert Wyatt: "I don't know if I can really answer that without giving too much away... so I'm not going to. [Laughs] I'd like to answer it, but I just don't want to spoil it for everybody. We're talking about the beginnings of a revolution. Just to be clear, are you asking whether these apes take up arms?"

> Interviewer Alex Billington: "Yes."

> Director Rupert Wyatt: "[Pause]... There is a possibility that may happen. To be really honest with you, there are a lot of questions we're posing. We're setting everything up for... what will come next. Really what lies at the heart of this story is the breaking of the bond between human and ape. That is fundamentally encapsulated between the father/son relationship between James Franco and Caesar. That's what we focused on in this."

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Some of the pics have been uploaded to the group's photo section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/2111424321/pic/list

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Great stuff! Thanks William!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
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Just a reminder that HBO Family is airing a sequels marathon today from 12 Noon to 6:30PM.

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I'll just say the Alzheimer's cure (ALZ112) is the nuclear bomb of this "Apes". Damn drug companies!


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise of the POTA trailer






I read that script, which they seem to be pretty much doing. There's no virus, it all deals with the Alzheimer's cure, what it does to apes (and humans).




What? It makes apes smart and humans dumb? No, don't tell me. I'll bet it also kills all the dogs and cats!

To answer your question, it doesn't make humans dumb. It has the same effect as Grape Juice Plus virus.
(As far as spoilers, who knows what they will change? I'm in the dark too.)


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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I read that script, which they seem to be pretty much doing. There's no virus, it all deals with the Alzheimer's cure, what it does to apes (and humans).




What? It makes apes smart and humans dumb? No, don't tell me. I'll bet it also kills all the dogs and cats!

Here's an article about the difficulty of doing eyes with CG, inspired by the "Rise" trailer:

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That's a funny kind of thing.  In spite of Charton Heston's "I want one anyway." stance on guns, many of Michael Wilson's contributions to the story have a left leaning stance, though any leftist country would no doubt ban the film outright, at least during it's original release during the height of the cold war.  Simply because once a "Revolutionary" position has been established, any new revolutionary ideas are deemed Counter-Revolutionary and banned.  They don't want to give the Sheepeople any ideas. 

 

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I did have a moment, when Andy Sirkus said Caesar was Ape Plus.

 

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Jeff K.: "I'll just say the Alzheimer's cure (ALZ112) is the nuclear bomb of this 'Apes'. Damn drug companies!"

I don't think it will be as simple or pat as that. And I most definitely don't believe for a moment that anything released from the lab will kill humans. Killing humans outright would mean no way to depict a future planet of the apes where simians dominate over humans if no humans even survive to exist even as the dumb, brutish animals they were as depicted in the original "Planet of the Apes".

I noticed when watching the trailer again that the cure for Alzheimer's Disease is referred to by James Franco's character as but one accomplishment on the road to success and that he's now moving on to "the next phase", which I would guess probably means some new way to artificially induce and accelerate genetic evolution of the brain and optimize its performance and increase its intelligence level at the same time. (Perhaps even the reverse process as well.)

In either case, I couldn't help but notice that Ceasar does appear to be handling something encased in what appears to be a large white container (possibly containing vials of experimental serum?) that might be related to the experimental work being done in the lab.

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I'm just going by the script I read. They have to thin out the human herd to give the apes a chance to take over.


From: shrstrategygames
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:21 AM
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Subject: [pota] Re: Rise of "the cure"



Jeff K.: "I'll just say the Alzheimer's cure (ALZ112) is the nuclear bomb of this 'Apes'. Damn drug companies!"

I don't think it will be as simple or pat as that. And I most definitely don't believe for a moment that anything released from the lab will kill humans. Killing humans outright would mean no way to depict a future planet of the apes where simians dominate over humans if no humans even survive to exist even as the dumb, brutish animals they were as depicted in the original "Planet of the Apes".

I noticed when watching the trailer again that the cure for Alzheimer's Disease is referred to by James Franco's character as but one accomplishment on the road to success and that he's now moving on to "the next phase", which I would guess probably means some new way to artificially induce and accelerate genetic evolution of the brain and optimize its performance and increase its intelligence level at the same time. (Perhaps even the reverse process as well.)

In either case, I couldn't help but notice that Ceasar does appear to be handling something encased in what appears to be a large white container (possibly containing vials of experimental serum?) that might be related to the experimental work being done in the lab.

Amigos:
Remember the movie I Am Legend? Charlton Heston's Omega Man was of course much better, but anyway... perhaps in Rise of the Planet of the Apes, medicinal experimentation (or a returning space probe?) has yielded a virus that subjects humans to dementia? Perhaps James Franco finds a purported cure with Caesar's help. That would explain the sense of urgency of the meeting during which James Franco speaks of the treatment to investors and such. Dementia's spreading so the Dr. has a captive audience... But along the way, Caesar manages to snatch the cure while his increasingly cynical "doctor parent" no longer cares enough about stopping cruel humans in order to block such an attempt.

This scenario could seemingly explain how surface humans became mute by the time Col. George Taylor returns a couple of thousand years later. To learn how to speak, one needs to be spoken to. If all living humans became senile beyond repair, their offspring likely wouldn't cultivate speech as a means of communicating. Breeding wouldn't have to be out of the question, though, as long as Kim Hunter-like mutes are around. Winters can get chilly, after all, and the internet would likely lose its distractive powers.

Admittedly this scenario has limited sequel potential though... Intelligent apes hunting mute brutish humans on the Earth's surface doesn't seem capable of spawning the ticket sales that such high budget productions would require. Besides, we've been there and done that already. We could do more of it, and on a CGI-assisted scale that would have made Cecile B. Demille envious, but would that fill theater seats? I'm skeptical.

If the nuclear warfare element's missing from Rise, though, I guess that the more communicative underdwellers will be absent too? Or maybe the virus is discovered not to grow in the absence of radiant energy, so some folks flee the sun for the underground in order to escape it? Something sort of similar happened in H.G. Wells' The Time Machine, after all. And modern demographic trends would certainly seem to explain how a name like Mendez could become so prominent in humanity's future :-) Alma is a Hispanic name too, by the way.

Might there be any significance to the venue selection of San Francisco for Rise? It's certainly on the cutting edge for I.T. research, but perhaps for biotech as well? Planet of the Apes themes are too appealing to Leftists for the planners to locate the movie to the research triangle of North Carolina, or anywhere else in the Southeast for that matter. And San Francisco also appeals to plenty of Asians, whose ticket & DVD / download purchasing power yielded Krull, the Japanese-portrayed ape back in 2001.

All I can say with certainty is that I hope we never see a movie correctly entitled "Finale of the Planet of the Apes". The ride has been too fun, at least thus far. But might General Thade appear in Rise, inspiring a re-design of the Lincoln Memorial? Maybe not unless the title should be changed to "Parody of . . . . ." :-)

Happy Easter / Pesach or whatever, to all...

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