I keep getting group updates on photos added to William's Pics file, but when I try and look at a specific photo, it displays a random picture and says "can't display specific photo." There are thousands of photos in the file one would have to cycle through in the bottom scroll to find what one is looking for. Is there any way to fix this so that one click will bring up the file photo I want to look at? Otherwise it is pretty pointless. Thanks in advance! I was just going to email the moderator but that connection isn't working.

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Then they should write a He Said/ She Said tell all book!

I'd buy that!  Or trade an unpainted Burke head for it.

They could call it Making A Monkey Out Of Me.

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/12/2011 3:23:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, readingrob@... writes:

People  seem to have painted both him and Paula as volatile and unstable characters, but in reality both have given a lot of time and effort to Planet of the Apes over the years. Fot that we should be thankful.

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And Bill and Paula did it at a time when POTA was considered "kids' stuff". Now POTA is recognized as a classic and sci-fi conventions are common. In fact, in William Shatner's book about fans he credits Paula with being one of the founding members of "Star Trek" fandom. And "Star Trek" has gone on to define fandom.
Bill and Paula saw a need to continue POTA when the suits said it was over and made a lot of kids happy. They did hospitals, charities, etc. And Bill did things like conventions and Eric Greene's book signings in the '90's. They were unique. Their interviews are my favorite articles in the Marvel mag.


From: rob reading
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:17 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Bill Blake



Nicely put Jeff. Sympathy tends to open old wounds, empathy is what I feel Bill needs. He needs to be understood at a very low point in his life. People seem to have painted both him and Paula as volatile and unstable characters, but in reality both have given a lot of time and effort to Planet of the Apes over the years. Fot that we should be thankful.

Rob

Just wondering about Rod Serling's name for the character that became Taylor. Rod Serling was a pretty smart guy, but he called his astronaut John Thomas. Was that his idea of a joke? Because John Thomas means (he! he! he! *giggle!*)... Well, it means...(ha! ha! ha!) *Whew!* I mean, it refers to (*snort!* he! he! he!). Never mind what it refers to. Let's just say it COULD refer to something dirty. I wonder if that was an inside joke or if Serling was clueless. Maybe the plan was just to refer to him as "Thomas" as they only referred to Taylor as "Taylor" (or Bright Eyes). As in the Edward G. makeup test. (he! heh!)

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> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> From: veetus@...
> Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:21:26 -0700
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Bill Blake
>
> And Bill and Paula did it at a time when POTA was considered "kids' stuff". Now POTA is recognized as a classic and sci-fi conventions are common. In fact, in William Shatner's book about fans he credits Paula with being one of the founding members of "Star Trek" fandom. And "Star Trek" has gone on to define fandom.
> Bill and Paula saw a need to continue POTA when the suits said it was over and made a lot of kids happy. They did hospitals, charities, etc. And Bill did things like conventions and Eric Greene's book signings in the '90's. They were unique. Their interviews are my favorite articles in the Marvel mag.
>
>
> From: rob reading
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Bill Blake
>
>
>
> Nicely put Jeff. Sympathy tends to open old wounds, empathy is what I feel Bill needs. He needs to be understood at a very low point in his life. People seem to have painted both him and Paula as volatile and unstable characters, but in reality both have given a lot of time and effort to Planet of the Apes over the years. Fot that we should be thankful.
>
> Rob
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Bring it on.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: LordTZer0@...
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:35:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Bill Blake

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I do get where Rob and Jeff are coming from. Bill and Paula were vital in keeping POTA fandom alive, back when no one else was, and the Marvel articles about them are some of the best pieces that magazine published. Whenever I re-read the Marvel run, I tend to focus on the comics and skip a lot of the articles--but I re-read the Bill/Paula pieces because they're fascinating to read.

That said... Bill's e-mails to me read like the Unibomber's manifesto, which was disconcerting given that all I'd done was write to him and request a brief interview about his work. He responded by sending me thousands of angry words attacking me and all journalists, as well as POTA fandom in general, and went on and on about how I've used and abused him in the past and would therefore get no cooperation from him. He even threatened me with a lawsuit if I dared to mention his name in print.

Mind you, I'd never had any prior contact with the man, ever, before my interview request, so there was no way I could ever have used and abused him in the past. When I explained to him that he must have had me confused with someone else, he went off on me again, ranting and raving like a frothing, rabid animal. The entire exchange was surreal and bizarre, and I was left shaking my head in confusion. I've rarely ever met anyone so angry, smarmy and condescending, and while I'm genuinely disappointed that he declined on the interview, I also don't think he deserved any press anyway after the way he spoke to me.

So while I may empathize with him for the bad things he's gone through, I have no need to ever associate with him. A lot of his holes are self-dug, so now he needs to sit in them--if you treat people like crap, they'll want nothing to do with you. He even attacked the person who kindly tried to help me reach Bill, and CC'ed me to make sure this individual knew I'd seen him being dressed down. (I'm leaving this person's name out of it, in case he's reading this, but I felt bad that he ended up being yelled at for his kindness in helping me out.)

In short: Bill Blake... bleh.

Paula Crist wasn't rude to me, but she was unwilling to be interviewed, and seemed a bit annoyed to be asked. But given the number of insults that Bill aimed her way while ranting to me, I'm not surprised that she's uninterested in discussing Planet of the Apes. I'm sure he soured her on the whole experience.

Well, Charlton Heston DID have a bit of a reputation for being a dick...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> Just wondering about Rod Serling's name for the character that became Taylor. Rod Serling was a pretty smart guy, but he called his astronaut John Thomas. Was that his idea of a joke? Because John Thomas means (he! he! he! *giggle!*)... Well, it means...(ha! ha! ha!) *Whew!* I mean, it refers to (*snort!* he! he! he!). Never mind what it refers to. Let's just say it COULD refer to something dirty. I wonder if that was an inside joke or if Serling was clueless. Maybe the plan was just to refer to him as "Thomas" as they only referred to Taylor as "Taylor" (or Bright Eyes). As in the Edward G. makeup test. (he! heh!)
>

Well, I don't blame you, Rich. I was part of those exchanges you guys had. You happened to catch him at a particularly devastating time. But Bill and I have been through a lot together in 15 years and I've seen the guy in all his shades and there's a good guy under all the anger and disappointment. If he was really that way I wouldn't have gave a damn either.


From: rassmguy
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:27 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Bill Blake



I do get where Rob and Jeff are coming from. Bill and Paula were vital in keeping POTA fandom alive, back when no one else was, and the Marvel articles about them are some of the best pieces that magazine published. Whenever I re-read the Marvel run, I tend to focus on the comics and skip a lot of the articles--but I re-read the Bill/Paula pieces because they're fascinating to read.

That said... Bill's e-mails to me read like the Unibomber's manifesto, which was disconcerting given that all I'd done was write to him and request a brief interview about his work. He responded by sending me thousands of angry words attacking me and all journalists, as well as POTA fandom in general, and went on and on about how I've used and abused him in the past and would therefore get no cooperation from him. He even threatened me with a lawsuit if I dared to mention his name in print.

Mind you, I'd never had any prior contact with the man, ever, before my interview request, so there was no way I could ever have used and abused him in the past. When I explained to him that he must have had me confused with someone else, he went off on me again, ranting and raving like a frothing, rabid animal. The entire exchange was surreal and bizarre, and I was left shaking my head in confusion. I've rarely ever met anyone so angry, smarmy and condescending, and while I'm genuinely disappointed that he declined on the interview, I also don't think he deserved any press anyway after the way he spoke to me.

So while I may empathize with him for the bad things he's gone through, I have no need to ever associate with him. A lot of his holes are self-dug, so now he needs to sit in them--if you treat people like crap, they'll want nothing to do with you. He even attacked the person who kindly tried to help me reach Bill, and CC'ed me to make sure this individual knew I'd seen him being dressed down. (I'm leaving this person's name out of it, in case he's reading this, but I felt bad that he ended up being yelled at for his kindness in helping me out.)

In short: Bill Blake... bleh.

Paula Crist wasn't rude to me, but she was unwilling to be interviewed, and seemed a bit annoyed to be asked. But given the number of insults that Bill aimed her way while ranting to me, I'm not surprised that she's uninterested in discussing Planet of the Apes. I'm sure he soured her on the whole experience.

Jeff K.: "Just wondering about Rod Serling's name for the character that became Taylor. Rod Serling was a pretty smart guy, but he called his astronaut John Thomas. Was that his idea of a joke? Because John Thomas means (he! he! he! *giggle!*)... Well, it means...(ha! ha! ha!) *Whew!* I mean, it refers to (*snort!* he! he! he!). Never mind what it refers to. Let's just say it COULD refer to something dirty. I wonder if that was an inside joke or if Serling was clueless. Maybe the plan was just to refer to him as 'Thomas' as they only referred to Taylor as
'Taylor' (or Bright Eyes). As in the Edward G. makeup test. (he! heh!)"

I'm sure Rod Serling chose that plain-sounding name because he apparently meant the character to represent an Everyman. The name "Colonel George Taylor", however, sounds a bit more distinctive and comes off sounding more like an All-American Everyman, as the name "George" in America is most commonly associated with that of President & General George Washington.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff K.: "Just wondering about Rod Serling's name for the character that became Taylor. Rod Serling was a pretty smart guy, but he called his astronaut John Thomas. Was that his idea of a joke? Because John Thomas means (he! he! he! *giggle!*)... Well, it means...(ha! ha! ha!) *Whew!* I mean, it refers to (*snort!* he! he! he!). Never mind what it refers to. Let's just say it COULD refer to something dirty. I wonder if that was an inside joke or if Serling was clueless. Maybe the plan was just to refer to him as 'Thomas' as they only referred to Taylor as
> 'Taylor' (or Bright Eyes). As in the Edward G. makeup test. (he! heh!)"
>
> I'm sure Rod Serling chose that plain-sounding name because he apparently meant the character to represent an Everyman. The name "Colonel George Taylor", however, sounds a bit more distinctive and comes off sounding more like an All-American Everyman, as the name "George" in America is most commonly associated with that of President & General George Washington.
>

Thanks, Jeff. I'm sure there probably is a good guy in there somewhere, buried far beneath the bitterness and irrationality, though I certainly didn't see it. It's a good thing he has a friend like you, because if the way he treated me is the way he treats most people (and from what I've heard, it is), then he's not likely to develop any new friendships any time soon.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> Well, I don't blame you, Rich. I was part of those exchanges you guys had. You happened to catch him at a particularly devastating time. But Bill and I have been through a lot together in 15 years and I've seen the guy in all his shades and there's a good guy under all the anger and disappointment. If he was really that way I wouldn't have gave a damn either.
>
>
> From: rassmguy
> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:27 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Bill Blake
>
>
>
> I do get where Rob and Jeff are coming from. Bill and Paula were vital in keeping POTA fandom alive, back when no one else was, and the Marvel articles about them are some of the best pieces that magazine published. Whenever I re-read the Marvel run, I tend to focus on the comics and skip a lot of the articles--but I re-read the Bill/Paula pieces because they're fascinating to read.
>
> That said... Bill's e-mails to me read like the Unibomber's manifesto, which was disconcerting given that all I'd done was write to him and request a brief interview about his work. He responded by sending me thousands of angry words attacking me and all journalists, as well as POTA fandom in general, and went on and on about how I've used and abused him in the past and would therefore get no cooperation from him. He even threatened me with a lawsuit if I dared to mention his name in print.
>
> Mind you, I'd never had any prior contact with the man, ever, before my interview request, so there was no way I could ever have used and abused him in the past. When I explained to him that he must have had me confused with someone else, he went off on me again, ranting and raving like a frothing, rabid animal. The entire exchange was surreal and bizarre, and I was left shaking my head in confusion. I've rarely ever met anyone so angry, smarmy and condescending, and while I'm genuinely disappointed that he declined on the interview, I also don't think he deserved any press anyway after the way he spoke to me.
>
> So while I may empathize with him for the bad things he's gone through, I have no need to ever associate with him. A lot of his holes are self-dug, so now he needs to sit in them--if you treat people like crap, they'll want nothing to do with you. He even attacked the person who kindly tried to help me reach Bill, and CC'ed me to make sure this individual knew I'd seen him being dressed down. (I'm leaving this person's name out of it, in case he's reading this, but I felt bad that he ended up being yelled at for his kindness in helping me out.)
>
> In short: Bill Blake... bleh.
>
> Paula Crist wasn't rude to me, but she was unwilling to be interviewed, and seemed a bit annoyed to be asked. But given the number of insults that Bill aimed her way while ranting to me, I'm not surprised that she's uninterested in discussing Planet of the Apes. I'm sure he soured her on the whole experience.
>

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Unfortunately, Yahoo! has been acting wackier than usual of late. If you have this problem again, just click on the New Photos link on the Group's Yahoo home page.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "paisleykid1" <mstanley@...> wrote:
>
> I keep getting group updates on photos added to William's Pics file, but when I try and look at a specific photo, it displays a random picture and says "can't display specific photo." There are thousands of photos in the file one would have to cycle through in the bottom scroll to find what one is looking for. Is there any way to fix this so that one click will bring up the file photo I want to look at? Otherwise it is pretty pointless. Thanks in advance! I was just going to email the moderator but that connection isn't working.
>

Thanks Bruce. For those who couldn't access the pic go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1723513342/pic/1006666075/view?picmode=large&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Funny? You decide. It gave me a smile.
>
>
> Bruce
>

Or is could be a tribute to RODdy McDowall.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of names, I hang my head in shame that I didn't catch that 'Will Rodman' in Rise is a tribute to Rodman Serling.I'm sure it must have been mentioned on Group, but I've only just realised! John, Scrolls.
>

Thanks, James! I'll go look for the new photos link....;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, Yahoo! has been acting wackier than usual of late. If you
> have this problem again, just click on the New Photos link on the
> Group's Yahoo home page.
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "paisleykid1" <mstanley@> wrote:
> >
> > I keep getting group updates on photos added to William's Pics file,
> but when I try and look at a specific photo, it displays a random
> picture and says "can't display specific photo." There are thousands of
> photos in the file one would have to cycle through in the bottom scroll
> to find what one is looking for. Is there any way to fix this so that
> one click will bring up the file photo I want to look at? Otherwise it
> is pretty pointless. Thanks in advance! I was just going to email the
> moderator but that connection isn't working.
> >
>

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Me too, about half the time it's a pic of

Heston instead with that message.

 

 

In a message dated 5/12/2011 6:23:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mstanley@... writes:

I keep getting group updates on photos added to William's Pics file, but when I try and look at a specific photo, it displays a random picture and says "can't display specific photo."

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Hmmm.... I wonder if being in such close

proximity to foam latex for extended periods

can make you nuts.  Something to consider Jess.

 

 

In a message dated 5/12/2011 9:38:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:

 

I do get where Rob and Jeff are coming from. Bill and Paula were vital in keeping POTA fandom alive, back when no one else was, and the Marvel articles about them are some of the best pieces that magazine published. Whenever I re-read the Marvel run, I tend to focus on the comics and skip a lot of the articles--but I re-read the Bill/Paula pieces because they're fascinating to read.

That said... Bill's e-mails to me read like the Unibomber's manifesto, which was disconcerting given that all I'd done was write to him and request a brief interview about his work. He responded by sending me thousands of angry words attacking me and all journalists, as well as POTA fandom in general, and went on and on about how I've used and abused him in the past and would therefore get no cooperation from him. He even threatened me with a lawsuit if I dared to mention his name in print.

Mind you, I'd never had any prior contact with the man, ever, before my interview request, so there was no way I could ever have used and abused him in the past. When I explained to him that he must have had me confused with someone else, he went off on me again, ranting and raving like a frothing, rabid animal. The entire exchange was surreal and bizarre, and I was left shaking my head in confusion. I've rarely ever met anyone so angry, smarmy and condescending, and while I'm genuinely disappointed that he declined on the interview, I also don't think he deserved any press anyway after the way he spoke to me.

So while I may empathize with him for the bad things he's gone through, I have no need to ever associate with him. A lot of his holes are self-dug, so now he needs to sit in them--if you treat people like crap, they'll want nothing to do with you. He even attacked the person who kindly tried to help me reach Bill, and CC'ed me to make sure this individual knew I'd seen him being dressed down. (I'm leaving this person's name out of it, in case he's reading this, but I felt bad that he ended up being yelled at for his kindness in helping me out.)

In short: Bill Blake... bleh.

Paula Crist wasn't rude to me, but she was unwilling to be interviewed, and seemed a bit annoyed to be asked. But given the number of insults that Bill aimed her way while ranting to me, I'm not surprised that she's uninterested in discussing Planet of the Apes. I'm sure he soured her on the whole experience.

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Not sure what you mean by that.  :I

 

 

In a message dated 5/12/2011 9:37:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, readingrob@... writes:

You just did.

Bring it on.

Rob R

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Anyone else having this problem should just click the New Photos link on the Yahoo! home page: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Me too, about half the time it's a pic of
> Heston instead with that message.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2011 6:23:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mstanley@... writes:
>
> I keep getting group updates on photos added to William's Pics file, but
> when I try and look at a specific photo, it displays a random picture and
> says "can't display specific photo."
>

> Hmmm.... I wonder if being in such close
> proximity to foam latex for extended periods
> can make you nuts.

...or bananas! :p

Scott

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 10:35 AM, scottgeorge40 <segeorge98@...> wrote:

> Hmmm.... I wonder if being in such close
> proximity to foam latex for extended periods
> can make you nuts.

...or bananas! :p

Scott

"When you're inside it looking out, you really start to understand... I'm a lot less critical of other people's films now because I've made a film like this. You start to really realize how difficult it is". - - - "Rise of the POTA" director Rupert Wyatt

Rupert Wyatt was thrown into the deep end of the pool going from "The Escapist" to "Rise of the POTA" (in terms of size; he insists it's still the same job: "I didn't have final cut on "The Escapist" and there were many battles that I had to fight. It taught me well for this"). What was the biggest hurdle? "The scale of it, although daunting initially in the early days of pre-production, is actually not the biggest challenge. It's the motion capture, it's the technology, it's all of the things that we're doing that are quite groundbreaking, I think, for me as a director".
WETA has done some of the most innovative (and popular) motion capture films ever, including "Lord of the Rings", "King Kong", "District 9" and "Avatar" (duh, winning!). So what did "Rise" bring to the table that was so new? In those other films, the motion capture (the performance used to create the CG character) had to be done separately from the action on a special soundstage. When Andy Serkis did Gollum or King Kong, he did perform during shooting (as seen in the documentaries) but that was more for the benefit of the other actors so they'd have someone to react to. But his actual performance had to be done separately. "Rise" was the first time he was able to give his screen performance on the actual set, or even on location (thanks to upgraded LED sensors). Andy says, "Sixty, maybe seventy percent of the performance capture in the movie is literally graded on a live-action set. That's a first". But they did have a sound stage, called the Volume, to work on movement and create background characters (Serkis prefers the term "performance capture" to "motion capture" and believes in a few years they won't even need to wear the markers the computer reads).
It will be interesting to see if the new freedom gives the movie more synergy. The fact that apes are pretty much the same size as humans also helps with the feeling of just doing a scene together. Usually the motion capture characters have been bigger (King Kong, the Avatar and District 9 aliens) or smaller (Gollum) than the actors playing them. Mostly the CG characters will be interacting with real environments, probably making it closest to the "District 9" dynamic. This necessitated doing a shot 3 times if it had a CG character in it, including a "Roger Rabbit" take with no performers for the CG artists' reference (the director says this process adds about 1 - 2 hours "max" to the day). Because of the time constraints, Wyatt says, "We always try and get the performance in the location... It's really, really vital that we don't leave a lot to the animation of it".
The motion capture soundstage, the Volume, was used to create background characters by Serkis and Terry Notary. But even there they tried to create personalities and not just fill up the background. Notary: "It's like "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"... it's like we've got a bunch of really wacky individuals that are uniting in this film". As for the main ape Caesar, Wyatt says, "I always looked to the story of John Merrick and "The Elephant Man" for this in that he's different from us and he has an innocence and an optimistic look upon the world... (but) Caesar makes a transition to a darker personality". By the way, a model for Jackson's King Kong was Charles Laughton as the Hunchback of Notre Dame (likewise, in the real world, Caesar was modelled on Oliver the humanzee and King Kong was modelled on Snowflake the gorilla).
WETA tries to keep the performance intact in it's computer transition. Serkis of course is familiar with the process. Said WETA's Joe Letteri in the recent "chat": "(Andy) brings something to the characters that is kind of unique... the characters get the presence that you would have from having a great actor on stage... working with Andy, he figures out how he wants to play the character and then we can sit down and discuss that and he passes on that information to us. So we get a real feel for, when we see what's going on in each of the shots, what his intent is but also how that has evolved. Because quite often we find that the way you think a character's going to be at the beginning of a film is different than at the end. And that's really something only an actor would go through (in) the filmmaking process. And so Andy is great about sharing that with us so that we can continue that evolution because we then have to take every frame of his performance and turn it into a frame of Caesar's performance. So it has to true to what the intent is". Adds director Wyatt: "Andy was the bedrock. He gave us all the ability to realize this was no different from putting on a play in many ways".
The choice to go CG with the apes was not an automatic decision (though it would seem so in this day and age). Producer Dylan Clark says figuring out how to portray the apes was "fact finding. Really, you think you can try it one way. You're not even sure if you want to do it (CG) for various reasons, (or) if you want to try to do it with live animals or if you want to work with guys in suits (like the originals). But you just go out and you spend some time with chimpanzees and you realize that, one, it's probably not the right thing to do, and it's also not the easiest way to make a movie. The suits represent a certain aesthetic to the movie that we've seen before and when you have the opportunity to work with Joe Letteri, who is head and shoulders the best guy in the business, and you start to see conceptual designs and test how that works, it just feels like that was the right road to land on. It just was as easy as that".
Rupert Wyatt says the grim shot of Caesar that ends the trailer was actually one of the first things they did, so they knew it could work. Says screenwriter Rick Jaffa, "We hit the ground running in terms of knowing exactly how the apes are going to look". http://www.youtube.com/apeswillrise#p/u/3/WQVqD9stTA People seemed pretty impressed with the look of the apes in the trailer but it only gets better from here. Rupert Wyatt: "It's constantly evolving...We're working on this right up until the film is coming out, and that's very sensible... We're going to live or die by how people see the apes. The more time we have to get every shot right, which is a huge task, in terms of getting the texture, (the better)... I think they got somebody down from San Francisco who's a specialist in digitally recreating individual strands of hair, and they've used him as sort of their think tank ( http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/weta-takes-physics-approach-digital-fur-3993763 ). They do digitally grow every strand of hair that you see and it's amazing the amount of work that goes into it, especially bearing in mind there's hundreds of apes in our film". There's no actual apes in the movie but there is an animatronic baby Caesar (Caesar as a child is played by Devyn Dalton, who also plays his love interest Cornelia, which is kinda sick). It's obvious actual horses were used for the big action scene on the bridge.
"Rise of the POTA" 's story sounds pretty ambitious for the "feel good" summer tentpole season. "Leveling the playing field" of the human race doesn't exactly sound like a laugh a minute, and what will audiences make of a story where the cure for Alzheimer's is the villain? The trailer certainly played up the venerable "things Man was not meant to tamper with" theme. It's not a sensibility the director even agrees with: "I'm a big believer in science and I'm a big believer in pushing the boundaries of science as much as we can. I'm not somebody who's a believer in the kind of cautionary tale in terms of "careful what you dabble in"... the moral twilight in a way is, I think from a dramatic point of view, a really interesting one. That's where James Franco is situated in the film... His way of dealing with it at the beginning is to cut off all emotion. He doesn't call the chimps by name, he calls them by number. It's Caesar that changes him, and changes him for the better". Nor is Wyatt a slave to science at the expense of story, comparing the film more to Philip K. Dick than Arthur C. Clarke: "I was trying to be more respectful and faithful to real world science as we possibly could, but that's really not the driving force of the story".
It sounds like the new "Apes" is eschewing the villany of Man for the hubris of men. The screenwriter says, "I don't think it's a cynical movie... (the original) was written to be more poking... I wouldn't say ours is like that". Rupert Wyatt says, "It's not a commentary on everything. It's a story of man against animal... There's certain humans in our film that represent our worst instincts but there's certain humans that represent our best". The producer: "It's definitely not a remake, it's definitely not a prequel... I think Burton called his a "reimagining". I don't like that word either".
It sounds like Fox made the right choice releasing it after the louder blockbusters have had their turn. Wyatt: "It starts small and gets bigger and bigger, but there's a very subtle build to it. I think that's actually quite unusual for a summer blockbuster and so much the better... I always think it's a mistake for people and studios to believe that an audience is only looking for non-narrative action set pieces in their films. I think films like "Inception" have proved that you can earn a phenomenal box office for telling a great story that's told on a huge canvas... That's why I think Steven Spielberg is one of the greatest filmmakers of our time, because he always understood that, and more people should, or the money people should".
I'll let the producer have the last word! Dylan Clark: "I think we have the goods to be in the summer... we look at "Titanic" as an interesting kind of, somewhat strained, model for this one. But it's using visual effects in the real world. That's not aliens landing, it's not 3D... ("Rise") was conceptually a little bit akin in that way and we liked the idea of that because it had never been done before... It's a summer movie so big things will happen. It's done in a way of how real apes would fight back... We all talked about how we saw this movie as being a character-driven story. Caesar is a very specific character and he leads a very specific way... It's shot very realistically... and the acting is very realistic. It's smart the way they're doing it. So it's an intense PG-13, I think".

Sources:

August 2010 set reports:

http://collider.com/set-visit-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/
http://www.slashfilm.com/film-visits-set-rise-planet-apes/
http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1161176p1.html"
http://www.latinoreview.com/news/making-caesar-rise-of-the-set-visit-of-the-apes-13238
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=76135

April 2011 director interviews:

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-director-rupert-wyatt-qa/
http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/interview-director-rupert-wyatt-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes.php

Books:

"Peter Jackson: A Film-Maker's Journey" by Brian Sibley

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>>There's no *intentional* BATTLE reference in the title of "Project

Nim" which is based on the non-fiction book entitled "Nim Chimpsky: The Chimp Who Would Be Human" by Elizabeth Hess. ("Nim Chimpsky" is a spoof of author Noam Chompsky's name for a very intentional reason alluded to in the book.) <<

>>Obscure BATTLE reference here. Anyone? Anyone at all?

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>>Nimrod was the name of a human rebel leader in Dehn's original

treatment for BATTLE. Basically he became Kolp in the final version of the screenplay. <<

>>Oh, I forgot, Nimrod turns out to be the first Mendez. Dehn's

treatment was a very convoluted story and you can see he's already trying to bring the series full circle. <<

>>Obscure BATTLE reference here. Anyone? Anyone at all?

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Thanks for that link.It's a great cd--I have it on in the background sometimes at work like a comfort blanket.Now, all we need is a TV Series blu ray release! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> For those interested in the as yet unreleased music from the POTA TV series, you might want to check out this message board thread over at Film Score Monthy, and specifically the comments of someone named Paul Ettinger on page 8.
>
>
> http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&forumID=1&threadID=44985&archive=0
>
>
> -- Rory
>

Fascinating stuff.There's a kind of echo in the care taken about the 'look' of the Apes with the Richard Zanuck concern about whether the audience would laugh at the Apes make-up.I'm now a CGI convert, having been very, very anti.Just shows I know nothing.I said Avatar would bomb.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "When you're inside it looking out, you really start to understand... I'm a lot less critical of other people's films now because I've made a film like this. You start to really realize how difficult it is". - - - "Rise of the POTA" director Rupert Wyatt
>
> Rupert Wyatt was thrown into the deep end of the pool going from "The Escapist" to "Rise of the POTA" (in terms of size; he insists it's still the same job: "I didn't have final cut on "The Escapist" and there were many battles that I had to fight. It taught me well for this"). What was the biggest hurdle? "The scale of it, although daunting initially in the early days of pre-production, is actually not the biggest challenge. It's the motion capture, it's the technology, it's all of the things that we're doing that are quite groundbreaking, I think, for me as a director".
> WETA has done some of the most innovative (and popular) motion capture films ever, including "Lord of the Rings", "King Kong", "District 9" and "Avatar" (duh, winning!). So what did "Rise" bring to the table that was so new? In those other films, the motion capture (the performance used to create the CG character) had to be done separately from the action on a special soundstage. When Andy Serkis did Gollum or King Kong, he did perform during shooting (as seen in the documentaries) but that was more for the benefit of the other actors so they'd have someone to react to. But his actual performance had to be done separately. "Rise" was the first time he was able to give his screen performance on the actual set, or even on location (thanks to upgraded LED sensors). Andy says, "Sixty, maybe seventy percent of the performance capture in the movie is literally graded on a live-action set. That's a first". But they did have a sound stage, called the Volume, to work on movement and create background characters (Serkis prefers the term "performance capture" to "motion capture" and believes in a few years they won't even need to wear the markers the computer reads).
> It will be interesting to see if the new freedom gives the movie more synergy. The fact that apes are pretty much the same size as humans also helps with the feeling of just doing a scene together. Usually the motion capture characters have been bigger (King Kong, the Avatar and District 9 aliens) or smaller (Gollum) than the actors playing them. Mostly the CG characters will be interacting with real environments, probably making it closest to the "District 9" dynamic. This necessitated doing a shot 3 times if it had a CG character in it, including a "Roger Rabbit" take with no performers for the CG artists' reference (the director says this process adds about 1 - 2 hours "max" to the day). Because of the time constraints, Wyatt says, "We always try and get the performance in the location... It's really, really vital that we don't leave a lot to the animation of it".
> The motion capture soundstage, the Volume, was used to create background characters by Serkis and Terry Notary. But even there they tried to create personalities and not just fill up the background. Notary: "It's like "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"... it's like we've got a bunch of really wacky individuals that are uniting in this film". As for the main ape Caesar, Wyatt says, "I always looked to the story of John Merrick and "The Elephant Man" for this in that he's different from us and he has an innocence and an optimistic look upon the world... (but) Caesar makes a transition to a darker personality". By the way, a model for Jackson's King Kong was Charles Laughton as the Hunchback of Notre Dame (likewise, in the real world, Caesar was modelled on Oliver the humanzee and King Kong was modelled on Snowflake the gorilla).
> WETA tries to keep the performance intact in it's computer transition. Serkis of course is familiar with the process. Said WETA's Joe Letteri in the recent "chat": "(Andy) brings something to the characters that is kind of unique... the characters get the presence that you would have from having a great actor on stage... working with Andy, he figures out how he wants to play the character and then we can sit down and discuss that and he passes on that information to us. So we get a real feel for, when we see what's going on in each of the shots, what his intent is but also how that has evolved. Because quite often we find that the way you think a character's going to be at the beginning of a film is different than at the end. And that's really something only an actor would go through (in) the filmmaking process. And so Andy is great about sharing that with us so that we can continue that evolution because we then have to take every frame of his performance and turn it into a frame of Caesar's performance. So it has to true to what the intent is". Adds director Wyatt: "Andy was the bedrock. He gave us all the ability to realize this was no different from putting on a play in many ways".
> The choice to go CG with the apes was not an automatic decision (though it would seem so in this day and age). Producer Dylan Clark says figuring out how to portray the apes was "fact finding. Really, you think you can try it one way. You're not even sure if you want to do it (CG) for various reasons, (or) if you want to try to do it with live animals or if you want to work with guys in suits (like the originals). But you just go out and you spend some time with chimpanzees and you realize that, one, it's probably not the right thing to do, and it's also not the easiest way to make a movie. The suits represent a certain aesthetic to the movie that we've seen before and when you have the opportunity to work with Joe Letteri, who is head and shoulders the best guy in the business, and you start to see conceptual designs and test how that works, it just feels like that was the right road to land on. It just was as easy as that".
> Rupert Wyatt says the grim shot of Caesar that ends the trailer was actually one of the first things they did, so they knew it could work. Says screenwriter Rick Jaffa, "We hit the ground running in terms of knowing exactly how the apes are going to look". http://www.youtube.com/apeswillrise#p/u/3/WQVqD9stTA People seemed pretty impressed with the look of the apes in the trailer but it only gets better from here. Rupert Wyatt: "It's constantly evolving...We're working on this right up until the film is coming out, and that's very sensible... We're going to live or die by how people see the apes. The more time we have to get every shot right, which is a huge task, in terms of getting the texture, (the better)... I think they got somebody down from San Francisco who's a specialist in digitally recreating individual strands of hair, and they've used him as sort of their think tank ( http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/weta-takes-physics-approach-digital-fur-3993763 ). They do digitally grow every strand of hair that you see and it's amazing the amount of work that goes into it, especially bearing in mind there's hundreds of apes in our film". There's no actual apes in the movie but there is an animatronic baby Caesar (Caesar as a child is played by Devyn Dalton, who also plays his love interest Cornelia, which is kinda sick). It's obvious actual horses were used for the big action scene on the bridge.
> "Rise of the POTA" 's story sounds pretty ambitious for the "feel good" summer tentpole season. "Leveling the playing field" of the human race doesn't exactly sound like a laugh a minute, and what will audiences make of a story where the cure for Alzheimer's is the villain? The trailer certainly played up the venerable "things Man was not meant to tamper with" theme. It's not a sensibility the director even agrees with: "I'm a big believer in science and I'm a big believer in pushing the boundaries of science as much as we can. I'm not somebody who's a believer in the kind of cautionary tale in terms of "careful what you dabble in"... the moral twilight in a way is, I think from a dramatic point of view, a really interesting one. That's where James Franco is situated in the film... His way of dealing with it at the beginning is to cut off all emotion. He doesn't call the chimps by name, he calls them by number. It's Caesar that changes him, and changes him for the better". Nor is Wyatt a slave to science at the expense of story, comparing the film more to Philip K. Dick than Arthur C. Clarke: "I was trying to be more respectful and faithful to real world science as we possibly could, but that's really not the driving force of the story".
> It sounds like the new "Apes" is eschewing the villany of Man for the hubris of men. The screenwriter says, "I don't think it's a cynical movie... (the original) was written to be more poking... I wouldn't say ours is like that". Rupert Wyatt says, "It's not a commentary on everything. It's a story of man against animal... There's certain humans in our film that represent our worst instincts but there's certain humans that represent our best". The producer: "It's definitely not a remake, it's definitely not a prequel... I think Burton called his a "reimagining". I don't like that word either".
> It sounds like Fox made the right choice releasing it after the louder blockbusters have had their turn. Wyatt: "It starts small and gets bigger and bigger, but there's a very subtle build to it. I think that's actually quite unusual for a summer blockbuster and so much the better... I always think it's a mistake for people and studios to believe that an audience is only looking for non-narrative action set pieces in their films. I think films like "Inception" have proved that you can earn a phenomenal box office for telling a great story that's told on a huge canvas... That's why I think Steven Spielberg is one of the greatest filmmakers of our time, because he always understood that, and more people should, or the money people should".
> I'll let the producer have the last word! Dylan Clark: "I think we have the goods to be in the summer... we look at "Titanic" as an interesting kind of, somewhat strained, model for this one. But it's using visual effects in the real world. That's not aliens landing, it's not 3D... ("Rise") was conceptually a little bit akin in that way and we liked the idea of that because it had never been done before... It's a summer movie so big things will happen. It's done in a way of how real apes would fight back... We all talked about how we saw this movie as being a character-driven story. Caesar is a very specific character and he leads a very specific way... It's shot very realistically... and the acting is very realistic. It's smart the way they're doing it. So it's an intense PG-13, I think".
>
> Sources:
>
> August 2010 set reports:
>
> http://collider.com/set-visit-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/
> http://www.slashfilm.com/film-visits-set-rise-planet-apes/
> http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1161176p1.html"
> http://www.latinoreview.com/news/making-caesar-rise-of-the-set-visit-of-the-apes-13238
> http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=76135
>
> April 2011 director interviews:
>
> http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-director-rupert-wyatt-qa/
> http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/interview-director-rupert-wyatt-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes.php
>
> Books:
>
> "Peter Jackson: A Film-Maker's Journey" by Brian Sibley
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Fascinating stuff.There's a kind of echo in the care taken about the 'look' of the Apes with the Richard Zanuck concern about whether the audience would laugh at the Apes make-up.I'm now a CGI convert, having been very, very anti.Just shows I know nothing.I said Avatar would bomb.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> AVATAR may not have bombed, but it does seem to be fading quickly away. I don't hear much buzz about an AVATAR 2. Is there really any interest? I saw it once, have seen bits on satellite to check out the HD, but will probably never watch it fully again.
>
> -- Rory
>

Because Avatar without the special effects had absolutly no redeming narative, no writing style or anything that can be called riviting as to the story. It was a nothing story with the same old nothing characters and dialogue. I could not believe that so many people went to see this empty film. Wow, 3D, man. Eye candy kills brain cells..... John M!

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Is there a reason David Watson has apparently dropped out of sight? I can find nothing recent on him anywhere on the web. Does anyone know of any recent articles or interviews with him in print?

Although fans may differ on his portrayal of Cornelius in BtPotA, I thought he did a fine job standing in for Roddy McDowall. I'd think fellow Ape fans might be interested in any recollections he may have of his work on the film.

- Clark

I enjoyed "Avatar". The script could've been better; Cameron stuck to the "Titanic" vibe. But it had a point to it at least, which is rare for the big movies these days.
But I don't see any reason for 2 sequels. I'd rather Cameron do something else. And let WETA concentrate on "Apes" sequels. ; )


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:58 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: All "Rise" # 5: The future awaits (possible spoilers)




Avatar was a FAD, not even I'm interested in a sequel. And I counted it down.
But on the other hand, maybe that's why it made so much money! :-o

Al :o)


AVATAR may not have bombed, but it does seem to be fading quickly away. I don't hear much buzz about an AVATAR 2. Is there really any interest? I saw it once, have seen bits on satellite to check out the HD, but will probably never watch it fully again.

-- Rory

Alex Ruiz: "'Avatar' was a FAD, not even I'm interested in a sequel. And I counted it down."

Jeff K: "I enjoyed 'Avatar'. The script could've been better; Cameron stuck to the 'Titanic' vibe. But it had a point to it at least, which is rare for the big movies these days. But I don't see any reason for 2 sequels."

I'm surprised that science fiction author Alan Dean Foster didn't follow the example of fellow author Harlan Ellison and demand a "The Director recognizes the works of" acknowledgement in the film's credits.

After all, for all intents and purposes, "Avatar" seems like its inspirational thematic basis had been greatly influenced by Alan Dean Foster's own "Midworld" books.

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Personally, I loathed Avatar.I thought it was a waste of Stephen Lang,who is a superb actor.I'm not a big fan of Cameron, as I feel his films lack soul, but if his impetus technology-wise makes Rise look good, then hats off to him.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Fascinating stuff.There's a kind of echo in the care taken about the 'look' of the Apes with the Richard Zanuck concern about whether the audience would laugh at the Apes make-up.I'm now a CGI convert, having been very, very anti.Just shows I know nothing.I said Avatar would bomb.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> AVATAR may not have bombed, but it does seem to be fading quickly away. I don't hear much buzz about an AVATAR 2. Is there really any interest? I saw it once, have seen bits on satellite to check out the HD, but will probably never watch it fully again.
>
> -- Rory
>

Jeff my friend, I realize you have Cameron envy but Avatar was garbage. Yes its my opinion and so on but its a brainless movie, a rollercoaster ride, and thats being generous, and nothing more. I know we should stay on Ape discussions or we will have to stand in the corner but Cameron and his past associations with Apes makes him an Apes topic as YOU know. Avatar is just a vehicle for the CGI world and to make it a viable format and it succeded, so thankyou, I guess. It helps the new Apes film with its evolutionary improvements,Lord of the Rings, District 9, King Kong, Avatar and then Rise of the POTA.
Yes millions went to see it but as was pointed out its a film that will not generate any demand for sequels(Like Burtons POTA). Id be very surprised if a sequel is ever made. Weaver and her wise ass cracking toughness, a muscle headed special forces war monger, a man who has an infermery, and a weasle corporate simpleton. Man how many times will people see the same garbage characters simply because they are set in a different stage setting.
Sure the new Apes will have many of the same used up characters but atleast from what we see so far the dialouge that coming out of their mouths doesnt sound like it is comming out of their a##h***s. I hope im right about Apes or Ill be eating crow, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I enjoyed "Avatar". The script could've been better; Cameron stuck to the "Titanic" vibe. But it had a point to it at least, which is rare for the big movies these days.
> But I don't see any reason for 2 sequels. I'd rather Cameron do something else. And let WETA concentrate on "Apes" sequels. ; )
>
>
> From: Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:58 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: All "Rise" # 5: The future awaits (possible spoilers)
>
>
>
>
> Avatar was a FAD, not even I'm interested in a sequel. And I counted it down.
> But on the other hand, maybe that's why it made so much money! :-o
>
> Al :o)
>
>
> AVATAR may not have bombed, but it does seem to be fading quickly away. I don't hear much buzz about an AVATAR 2. Is there really any interest? I saw it once, have seen bits on satellite to check out the HD, but will probably never watch it fully again.
>
> -- Rory
>

I recently got an Australian Apes mag from 1975.It reprints the Marvel strips and has an advert for 'AT LAST THE COMPLETE PLANET OF THE APES SURVIVAL KIT'. It includes a poster, a 44 page Apes mag, 'Two Planet of the Apes Bumper stickers', 'A Giant Planet of the Apes writing pad' and 'A Super Size Ape Note Pad'.In other words, everything the good Australian Apes fan would ever need to survive.Do we/does anybody have pics of the stickers and pads? John, Scrolls.

Interesting. Do you have a scan of the ad?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I recently got an Australian Apes mag from 1975.It reprints the Marvel strips and has an advert for 'AT LAST THE COMPLETE PLANET OF THE APES SURVIVAL KIT'. It includes a poster, a 44 page Apes mag, 'Two Planet of the Apes Bumper stickers', 'A Giant Planet of the Apes writing pad' and 'A Super Size Ape Note Pad'.In other words, everything the good Australian Apes fan would ever need to survive.Do we/does anybody have pics of the stickers and pads? John, Scrolls.
>

Happy Anniversary to the novel that started it all.

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What is the significance of May 17? Is that when it was published in France? Who says?
I have the "Time" magazine that reviewed it in Nov. '63, I think the week before Kennedy was assassinated (the first thing that the BBC showed after their multi-day coverage of the assassination was the premiere of the first ever episode of "Dr. Who").


From: jamesa1102
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Happy Anniversary to the novel that started it all.

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The date comes from the DVD-ROM extra that was on the Planet 45th anniversary DVD: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/pota_pc.exe

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> What is the significance of May 17? Is that when it was published in France? Who says?
> I have the "Time" magazine that reviewed it in Nov. '63, I think the week before Kennedy was assassinated (the first thing that the BBC showed after their multi-day coverage of the assassination was the premiere of the first ever episode of "Dr. Who").
>
>

Yeah! Talk German to me baby. Makes it sound even more serious.

http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/05/17/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-german-trailer/

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I recently got an Australian Apes mag from 1975.It reprints the Marvel strips and has an advert for 'AT LAST THE COMPLETE PLANET OF THE APES SURVIVAL KIT'. It includes a poster, a 44 page Apes mag, 'Two Planet of the Apes Bumper stickers', 'A Giant Planet of the Apes writing pad' and 'A Super Size Ape Note Pad'.In other words, everything the good Australian Apes fan would ever need to survive.Do we/does anybody have pics of the stickers and pads? John, Scrolls.

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Believe it or not, I've never seen Avatar.  I was going to see

it in IMAX 3D, but was in no hurry and missed it, even though

it was brought back for an encore run.  I've seen bits an pieces

on TV, but I've been holding out for the 3D DVD.  But again, I'm

in not hurry.  I have no patience for PC agenda message flicks.

POTA is probably the exception to that rule.  But it seemed to

have both sides of the coin, so . . . anyway, when it's in the

bargain bin, then maybe.  Still, no hurry. I'll see it when I see it.

 

 

In a message dated 5/17/2011 8:05:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

 

Jeff my friend, I realize you have Cameron envy but Avatar was garbage. Yes its my opinion and so on but its a brainless movie, a rollercoaster ride, and thats being generous, and nothing more. I know we should stay on Ape discussions or we will have to stand in the corner but Cameron and his past associations with Apes makes him an Apes topic as YOU know. Avatar is just a vehicle for the CGI world and to make it a viable format and it succeded, so thankyou, I guess. It helps the new Apes film with its evolutionary improvements,Lord of the Rings, District 9, King Kong, Avatar and then Rise of the POTA.
Yes millions went to see it but as was pointed out its a film that will not generate any demand for sequels(Like Burtons POTA). Id be very surprised if a sequel is ever made. Weaver and her wise ass cracking toughness, a muscle headed special forces war monger, a man who has an infermery, and a weasle corporate simpleton. Man how many times will people see the same garbage characters simply because they are set in a different stage setting.
Sure the new Apes will have many of the same used up characters but atleast from what we see so far the dialouge that coming out of their mouths doesnt sound like it is comming out of their a##h***s. I hope im right about Apes or Ill be eating crow, Take care, John M.

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Prevolution?

 

kind of works both ways.

 

In a message dated 5/17/2011 3:53:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 

Yeah! Talk German to me baby. Makes it sound even more serious.

http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/05/17/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-german-trailer/

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Haven't got a scanner, but the cover is a repro of the US mag cover.The advert is basically text.The Australian Newton Apes mags have intrigued me for a while--there were plans at one stage to do original Apes material.Ape Notepaper would be cool, wouldn't it?! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Tim <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Cool! Can you post a pic of the cover?
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 17, 2011, at 7:52 AM, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> > I recently got an Australian Apes mag from 1975.It reprints the Marvel strips and has an advert for 'AT LAST THE COMPLETE PLANET OF THE APES SURVIVAL KIT'. It includes a poster, a 44 page Apes mag, 'Two Planet of the Apes Bumper stickers', 'A Giant Planet of the Apes writing pad' and 'A Super Size Ape Note Pad'.In other words, everything the good Australian Apes fan would ever need to survive.Do we/does anybody have pics of the stickers and pads? John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
>

Diesen Sommer...I will hopefully NOT have to watch Apes in German.There's something very ....insistent, is the kindest word I can think of..about the German language, as Don Murray pointed out on the Conquest blu ray extras (Romeo and Juliet is awful in German,he says, but Julius Caesar is great!).The French option on the TV Series dvd is lovely--hearing Urko in a sexy French accent complaining about 'les renegades' is vaguely unsettling.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah! Talk German to me baby. Makes it sound even more serious.
>
> http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/05/17/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-german-trailer/
>

Near the conclusion of my film-class appreciation & critique of "Planet of the Apes", I wrote something to this effect: "Perhaps it's only appropriate that the ruins of the Statue of Liberty concludes the film because like the gift to the USA that the statue of Lady Liberty was from the people of France, 'Planet of the Apes' originated as a French novel by author Pierre Boulle and continues to be treasured by its readers and 'Apes' fans for the gift of its satirical and metaphorical insight into the foibles and virtues of human nature."

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"Project Nim" poster. Why? Because!

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:

>
> Diesen Sommer...I will hopefully NOT have to watch Apes in German.There's something very ....insistent, is the kindest word I can think of..about the German language, as Don Murray pointed out on the Conquest blu ray extras (Romeo and Juliet is awful in German,he says, but Julius Caesar is great!).The French option on the TV Series dvd is lovely--hearing Urko in a sexy French accent complaining about 'les renegades' is vaguely unsettling.John, Scrolls.

***
I imagine it would be, for someone insecure in their masculinity.
Kass

>

Kass! I was only thinking of you th other night! We have a quiz on the tv here called 'The Weakest Link' and a contestant was asked this week 'What ancient civilisation built the road known as Watling Street that now follows the rout of the A5 in England?'. The young lady's answer was 'Apes'.I kid not.I'm NOT saying that all women are thick and shouldn't have the vote.Really,I'm not.Honest.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "V" <valwp@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Diesen Sommer...I will hopefully NOT have to watch Apes in German.There's something very ....insistent, is the kindest word I can think of..about the German language, as Don Murray pointed out on the Conquest blu ray extras (Romeo and Juliet is awful in German,he says, but Julius Caesar is great!).The French option on the TV Series dvd is lovely--hearing Urko in a sexy French accent complaining about 'les renegades' is vaguely unsettling.John, Scrolls.
>
> ***
> I imagine it would be, for someone insecure in their masculinity.
> Kass
> >
>

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Very good! I like that.

I should have mentioned this before, a copy of the novel can be downloaded from the group's Files Section: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Fan%20Fiction/Pierre%20Boulle/.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> Near the conclusion of my film-class appreciation & critique of "Planet of the Apes", I wrote something to this effect: "Perhaps it's only appropriate that the ruins of the Statue of Liberty concludes the film because like the gift to the USA that the statue of Lady Liberty was from the people of France, 'Planet of the Apes' originated as a French novel by author Pierre Boulle and continues to be treasured by its readers and 'Apes' fans for the gift of its satirical and metaphorical insight into the foibles and virtues of human nature."
>
>

What will summer bring for "Rise of the POTA"? So far there doesn't seem to be much expectation for it. Maybe it's been under the radar too long, or maybe it's memories of the Tim Burton days. And to be honest, the trailer didn't serve it too well. People dug the FX but I don't feel the story was well represented (hopefully). I think Trailer # 2 will come out the first week of June (with Fox's new "X-Men") and will concentrate on this unique story we've been hearing about (hopefully).
Boxofficemojo has released their predictions for the summer movies as far as foreign markets go. This has nothing to do with how much they'll make in the Good Old U.S. of A. And the foreign market has become very important for big movies, even if they're a bunch of foreigners. So I thought I'd relate their predictions. Why? Because, like Zira, they seems to be pretty smart.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3161&p=.htm

1. "Harry Potter" - $ 710 million; That's just foreign; if they're right, Harry will at least be a billion dollar baby. I don't think it will be quite that much. It's the last Harry and it's highly anticipated but what are they predicting with, magic wands? I say $ 490 million and that's being generous.

2. "Pirates" of the You Know What - $ 610 million; I heard this is really bad, and though that's never stopped these movies before, this time Johnny Depp's karma is coming home to roost. Quit being a greedy human bastard, Johnny. And quit associating with a bad crowd like Tim Burton. >: (

3. "Kung Fu Panda 2" - $ 590 million; AH HA! HA! HA!

4. "Transformers 3D" - $ 460 million; This one might take the top prize. By all accounts they did the 3D right, the action is spectacular and they even have a script this time. "Transformers 2" was the # 1 movie of 2009 and people hated it. What will happen if they do one people actually like?

5. "Cars 2" - $ 390 million - Kids love this franchise so I won't argue.

6. "Fast 5: The Decline and Fall of Civilization" - $370 million - This is already out there and it did great.

7. "Thor" - $ 290 million - Been there, done that. Good music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.

8. "Captain America" - $390 million - to not go is, well, unAmerican! But the rest of the world hates U.S., so we'll have to invade.

9. "Green Lantern" - $225 million - Looks kind of silly even as superhero movies go. This is about right.

10. "Hangover 2" - $ 220 million - They say comedy doesn't travel well overseas so I guess whoever is below this is screwed!

11. "X-Men" - $210 million - lots of dis-X-pointment with these movies recently. But has a built-in audience. The only superheroes this summer who aren't movie virgins. I think they'll take the green from that Lantern dude.

12. "Rise of the POTA" - $ 205 million - I cry "Foul!". This movie will surprise everyone. It's the last big movie of the summer so it will play and play. Need I recite WETA's track record? It's got a Harry Potter kid. Them there foreigners love "Apes". Burton didn't do this one. Etc. Etc. We have a winner! And that conclusion is scientifically tested.

Am I missing something. With any of these movies the foreign take is usually about half of the grand total. If Apes make 400 million from a 90 million budget regardless of publicity and such its a big hit. Burtons total was about 390 million world wide with about 150 million total budget. Again the new film is projected(How ridiculous) to be about over 400 million total world wide, and this is a failure? What does a film have to make , a Billion dollars, c'mon now. I must be from another planet.....Nuts, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> What will summer bring for "Rise of the POTA"? So far there doesn't seem to be much expectation for it. Maybe it's been under the radar too long, or maybe it's memories of the Tim Burton days. And to be honest, the trailer didn't serve it too well. People dug the FX but I don't feel the story was well represented (hopefully). I think Trailer # 2 will come out the first week of June (with Fox's new "X-Men") and will concentrate on this unique story we've been hearing about (hopefully).
> Boxofficemojo has released their predictions for the summer movies as far as foreign markets go. This has nothing to do with how much they'll make in the Good Old U.S. of A. And the foreign market has become very important for big movies, even if they're a bunch of foreigners. So I thought I'd relate their predictions. Why? Because, like Zira, they seems to be pretty smart.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3161&p=.htm
>
> 1. "Harry Potter" - $ 710 million; That's just foreign; if they're right, Harry will at least be a billion dollar baby. I don't think it will be quite that much. It's the last Harry and it's highly anticipated but what are they predicting with, magic wands? I say $ 490 million and that's being generous.
>
> 2. "Pirates" of the You Know What - $ 610 million; I heard this is really bad, and though that's never stopped these movies before, this time Johnny Depp's karma is coming home to roost. Quit being a greedy human bastard, Johnny. And quit associating with a bad crowd like Tim Burton. >: (
>
> 3. "Kung Fu Panda 2" - $ 590 million; AH HA! HA! HA!
>
> 4. "Transformers 3D" - $ 460 million; This one might take the top prize. By all accounts they did the 3D right, the action is spectacular and they even have a script this time. "Transformers 2" was the # 1 movie of 2009 and people hated it. What will happen if they do one people actually like?
>
> 5. "Cars 2" - $ 390 million - Kids love this franchise so I won't argue.
>
> 6. "Fast 5: The Decline and Fall of Civilization" - $370 million - This is already out there and it did great.
>
> 7. "Thor" - $ 290 million - Been there, done that. Good music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.
>
> 8. "Captain America" - $390 million - to not go is, well, unAmerican! But the rest of the world hates U.S., so we'll have to invade.
>
> 9. "Green Lantern" - $225 million - Looks kind of silly even as superhero movies go. This is about right.
>
> 10. "Hangover 2" - $ 220 million - They say comedy doesn't travel well overseas so I guess whoever is below this is screwed!
>
> 11. "X-Men" - $210 million - lots of dis-X-pointment with these movies recently. But has a built-in audience. The only superheroes this summer who aren't movie virgins. I think they'll take the green from that Lantern dude.
>
> 12. "Rise of the POTA" - $ 205 million - I cry "Foul!". This movie will surprise everyone. It's the last big movie of the summer so it will play and play. Need I recite WETA's track record? It's got a Harry Potter kid. Them there foreigners love "Apes". Burton didn't do this one. Etc. Etc. We have a winner! And that conclusion is scientifically tested.
>

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:30 PM, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

Am I missing something. With any of these movies the foreign take is usually about half of the grand total. If Apes make 400 million from a 90 million budget regardless of publicity and such its a big hit. Burtons total was about 390 million world wide with about 150 million total budget. Again the new film is projected(How ridiculous) to be about over 400 million total world wide, and this is a failure? What does a film have to make , a Billion dollars, c'mon now. I must be from another planet.....Nuts, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> What will summer bring for "Rise of the POTA"? So far there doesn't seem to be much expectation for it. Maybe it's been under the radar too long, or maybe it's memories of the Tim Burton days. And to be honest, the trailer didn't serve it too well. People dug the FX but I don't feel the story was well represented (hopefully). I think Trailer # 2 will come out the first week of June (with Fox's new "X-Men") and will concentrate on this unique story we've been hearing about (hopefully).
> Boxofficemojo has released their predictions for the summer movies as far as foreign markets go. This has nothing to do with how much they'll make in the Good Old U.S. of A. And the foreign market has become very important for big movies, even if they're a bunch of foreigners. So I thought I'd relate their predictions. Why? Because, like Zira, they seems to be pretty smart.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3161&p=.htm
>
> 1. "Harry Potter" - $ 710 million; That's just foreign; if they're right, Harry will at least be a billion dollar baby. I don't think it will be quite that much. It's the last Harry and it's highly anticipated but what are they predicting with, magic wands? I say $ 490 million and that's being generous.
>
> 2. "Pirates" of the You Know What - $ 610 million; I heard this is really bad, and though that's never stopped these movies before, this time Johnny Depp's karma is coming home to roost. Quit being a greedy human bastard, Johnny. And quit associating with a bad crowd like Tim Burton. >: (
>
> 3. "Kung Fu Panda 2" - $ 590 million; AH HA! HA! HA!
>
> 4. "Transformers 3D" - $ 460 million; This one might take the top prize. By all accounts they did the 3D right, the action is spectacular and they even have a script this time. "Transformers 2" was the # 1 movie of 2009 and people hated it. What will happen if they do one people actually like?
>
> 5. "Cars 2" - $ 390 million - Kids love this franchise so I won't argue.
>
> 6. "Fast 5: The Decline and Fall of Civilization" - $370 million - This is already out there and it did great.
>
> 7. "Thor" - $ 290 million - Been there, done that. Good music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.
>
> 8. "Captain America" - $390 million - to not go is, well, unAmerican! But the rest of the world hates U.S., so we'll have to invade.
>
> 9. "Green Lantern" - $225 million - Looks kind of silly even as superhero movies go. This is about right.
>
> 10. "Hangover 2" - $ 220 million - They say comedy doesn't travel well overseas so I guess whoever is below this is screwed!
>
> 11. "X-Men" - $210 million - lots of dis-X-pointment with these movies recently. But has a built-in audience. The only superheroes this summer who aren't movie virgins. I think they'll take the green from that Lantern dude.
>
> 12. "Rise of the POTA" - $ 205 million - I cry "Foul!". This movie will surprise everyone. It's the last big movie of the summer so it will play and play. Need I recite WETA's track record? It's got a Harry Potter kid. Them there foreigners love "Apes". Burton didn't do this one. Etc. Etc. We have a winner! And that conclusion is scientifically tested.
>

The rule of thumb I've heard is you triple the budget and that's your break even point, because of marketing and so on. Yes, if "Apes" makes $ 400 million worldwide that's pretty good. Does it guarantee a sequel, especially the expensive "conquest"? Probably not. If people are excited about the movie then maybe. "Batman Begins" and "Star Trek" didn't make as much as you'd think. They made less than POTA2001 (which had a $ 100 million budget, basically what "Rise" does 10 years later). But they got people excited about those franchises and more people saw them on DVD and presto, "Batman 2" made $1 billion.
Mostly I'm just tired of people selling "Rise" short. It may suck, it may not make a lot of money, but even if I wasn't a fan I would consider it one of the more interesting coming attractions of the summer movies. I think people just automatically downgrade Fox's movies.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 4:30 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Boxofficemojo predicts $205 million foreign for "Apes"



Am I missing something. With any of these movies the foreign take is usually about half of the grand total. If Apes make 400 million from a 90 million budget regardless of publicity and such its a big hit. Burtons total was about 390 million world wide with about 150 million total budget. Again the new film is projected(How ridiculous) to be about over 400 million total world wide, and this is a failure? What does a film have to make , a Billion dollars, c'mon now. I must be from another planet.....Nuts, John M.

Reading the film and sci fi mags over the past few months has been a pretty thankless task.Rise has generated little coverage so far and the stop start approach Fox adopted can't have helped.The trailer seemed to go down a storm online but the paper media hasn't mentioned it --not that I've seen anyway.Still, Apes is Apes.Apes ALWAYS delivers at the box office, even in the face of poor marketing (Escape) and dreadful reviews ( I'm looking at you ,Burton).I really feel Rise has a good,solid built-in audience that a little bit of luck could turn into a major hit.Lord, I hope so,anyway.Haven't us old stagers EARNED a return of the franchise by now? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The rule of thumb I've heard is you triple the budget and that's your break even point, because of marketing and so on. Yes, if "Apes" makes $ 400 million worldwide that's pretty good. Does it guarantee a sequel, especially the expensive "conquest"? Probably not. If people are excited about the movie then maybe. "Batman Begins" and "Star Trek" didn't make as much as you'd think. They made less than POTA2001 (which had a $ 100 million budget, basically what "Rise" does 10 years later). But they got people excited about those franchises and more people saw them on DVD and presto, "Batman 2" made $1 billion.
> Mostly I'm just tired of people selling "Rise" short. It may suck, it may not make a lot of money, but even if I wasn't a fan I would consider it one of the more interesting coming attractions of the summer movies. I think people just automatically downgrade Fox's movies.
>
>

If people are selling the new Apes short then people are idiots, yes idiots or at the least acting 'idiotic'. What does a film have to do to "make it". This country's inhabitants have been getting more ignorant at such a pheneminal rate then maybe they dont deserve any kind of smart or atleast a thought provoking film(atleast not in the Fantasy/Sci-Fi medium). A well written or smart "monster movie" seems to be antithical to moviegoers expectations-just action, thats all. Ive only heard good about new Apes but we must remember that Apes is a film series that caters to a smaller audience(Though coming out of the NY Zeigfeld theater in 2001 was an amazing site-a line 8 feet wide going on for about 1000 feet).Burtons film also made plenty of money and broke many records even though word of mouth had had time to influence people and to my surprise went to see it for themselves. The bad word of mouth was basically true and this I feel is the biggest hurdle the new Apes has to conquer. Most of us are dying off or have bigger concerns and the Apes history is very convoluted to most people because of the many sequels, always played out of order on television, the TV series "edited films" which do or did a disservice to the lineararity of the 5 main films and just confuse the ever smaller brains of theater going Americans (though I don't blame them for this one). Some of which work at 20th Century-Fox.
I always assumed that a film had to make double of its budget to break even. That always seemed ridiculous to me but I guess promotion costs very much lately. Three times just seems absurd. Someone has their hands in the cookie jar if you ask me. With films made on digital hardware the cost of that alone cuts distribution by a third atleast.
I feel like Nick Cage in "Knowing"(Its on as im typing, I like Alex Proyas films like "Dark City") and the rest of the populace are the rampaging water collecters at the end of the film. Ive been in a couple of situations not of my doing that my life was in peril(NY life) and im very proud of how I reacted and kept a calm front regardless of the stirring emotions wallowing inside. This in my view is the American mindset now and all the negetivity and panicking just makes them feel more important if they get the 'message out' first.
I know I went on and on again but when you hit 50years of age most of us have seen and experienced many things including the simple act of moviegoin. Nothing can be predicted for sure so just relax and go to the movies and be glad we are all still alive, even though that in of itself is getting costlier and costlier.
Please post this , as Ive noticed some of my posts are getting thrown in the garbage. If im insulting anybody its not intentional but I cant help thinking then that some of you feel you are idiots if you take offense to an Apes fans rambling, TAKE CARE, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The rule of thumb I've heard is you triple the budget and that's your break even point, because of marketing and so on. Yes, if "Apes" makes $ 400 million worldwide that's pretty good. Does it guarantee a sequel, especially the expensive "conquest"? Probably not. If people are excited about the movie then maybe. "Batman Begins" and "Star Trek" didn't make as much as you'd think. They made less than POTA2001 (which had a $ 100 million budget, basically what "Rise" does 10 years later). But they got people excited about those franchises and more people saw them on DVD and presto, "Batman 2" made $1 billion.
> Mostly I'm just tired of people selling "Rise" short. It may suck, it may not make a lot of money, but even if I wasn't a fan I would consider it one of the more interesting coming attractions of the summer movies. I think people just automatically downgrade Fox's movies.
>
>

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Very well stated and accurate. To me Fox always seemed to have its middlefinger up for Apes even when the shareholders are happy with their performance. I know that the Bluray set and all the multiple DVD and comics might give the impression that Fox loves and nurishes Apes but I feel its just comes back whenever the talking heads at Fox say they need more money and maybe Apes can help. I know thats the business but my experience with Fox and Apes tells me their is no love lost if Apes faded away. Just my hunch and intuition. Im probably wrong, but my dealings with them has made me very jaded and at the same time taught me much about business and ethics. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Reading the film and sci fi mags over the past few months has been a pretty thankless task.Rise has generated little coverage so far and the stop start approach Fox adopted can't have helped.The trailer seemed to go down a storm online but the paper media hasn't mentioned it --not that I've seen anyway.Still, Apes is Apes.Apes ALWAYS delivers at the box office, even in the face of poor marketing (Escape) and dreadful reviews ( I'm looking at you ,Burton).I really feel Rise has a good,solid built-in audience that a little bit of luck could turn into a major hit.Lord, I hope so,anyway.Haven't us old stagers EARNED a return of the franchise by now? John, Scrolls.
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I've only ever heard the 2x the production budget formula myself, to cover the promotional costs and because the theaters get a bigger share of the box office the longer a film runs. Three times does seem excessive.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> I always assumed that a film had to make double of its budget to break even. That always seemed ridiculous to me but I guess promotion costs very much lately. Three times just seems absurd. Someone has their hands in the cookie jar if you ask me. With films made on digital hardware the cost of that alone cuts distribution by a third atleast.

You mean that a 200 million dollar profit is not enough...uuggg! I dought the new movie will do any or much better. Not in spite of itself but its not SpiderBatHulkingman. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> This is the real reason POTA 2001 wasn't the hit Fox was hoping for. Its profit margin wasn't that spectacular and that's really why there was no sequel..
>
> I think RISE is going to do better than expected -- if it's a good movie. So far this summer is shaping up to be yet another mediocre Blockbuster non-event. THOR has done well, but gotten mostly bad reviews, and the new PIRATES movie isn't looking too good either. I actually went to FAST FIVE last weekend and thought that sucked, so I have hopes that RISE will not only please me, but literally rise from the muck of dreck that Hollywood seems to be making these days. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that RISE has something.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

Yeah, it does sound excessive but marketing is excessive. Buying TV ads, etc. is expensive. Maybe it's just for the big movies but 3x is what I've heard. That's why the middle budget movies are being drummed out. They want the big "events" or really small art movies that sometimes take off. Fox's "Black Swan" cost $ 10 million and made $ 300 million worldwide. The director made a fortune and promptly quit the "X-Men" sequel "Wolverine 2".


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 7:37 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Boxofficemojo predicts $205 million foreign for "Apes"




I've only ever heard the 2x the production budget formula myself, to cover the promotional costs and because the theaters get a bigger share of the box office the longer a film runs. Three times does seem excessive.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> I always assumed that a film had to make double of its budget to break even. That always seemed ridiculous to me but I guess promotion costs very much lately. Three times just seems absurd. Someone has their hands in the cookie jar if you ask me. With films made on digital hardware the cost of that alone cuts distribution by a third atleast.

The reviews of "Thor" seemed pretty good. It was better than the usual (if you can get past the god stuff). "Fast Five" looks bad but it's one of the hottest things going now. They want to make 5 more.
Well put. The problem is "Rise" might be "too good" and deal with things people don't like to think about. There's a reason these "shut off your brain" movies do so well.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 8:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Boxofficemojo predicts $205 million foreign for "Apes"




This is the real reason POTA 2001 wasn't the hit Fox was hoping for. Its profit margin wasn't that spectacular and that's really why there was no sequel..

I think RISE is going to do better than expected -- if it's a good movie. So far this summer is shaping up to be yet another mediocre Blockbuster non-event. THOR has done well, but gotten mostly bad reviews, and the new PIRATES movie isn't looking too good either. I actually went to FAST FIVE last weekend and thought that sucked, so I have hopes that RISE will not only please me, but literally rise from the muck of dreck that Hollywood seems to be making these days. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that RISE has something.

-- Rory

The producers of "Rise of the POTA" considered using real apes in the movie (the movie was about "apes as apes" so makeup was ruled out) but that was ruled out for moral and practical reasons. That left CG, the director told "Total Film" magazine. Here's the excerpt:

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/nsf/story/apes-director-ruled-out-using-real-primates_1220560

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/apes-director-ruled-out-using-real-primates_1220560


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 9:26 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: "Rise" of the CG idea


The producers of "Rise of the POTA" considered using real apes in the movie (the movie was about "apes as apes" so makeup was ruled out) but that was ruled out for moral and practical reasons. That left CG, the director told "Total Film" magazine. Here's the excerpt:

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/nsf/story/apes-director-ruled-out-using-real-primates_1220560

Well from what I read in general, 100 million budget,maybe 50 million publicity. 180 million domestic,190- 200 million foreign-380 total....I was told by an economist that foreign dollars can be altered for whatever reason. Losing money is sometimes winning during tax time. But whatever most of us were told 100million budget then we are told that publicity is not included(news to me, why isnt that part of budget). Now I hear these new figures from boixofficemojo when I remember it made 380-390 on other sites and even the innacutate wikipedia, and now wikipedia also says 362, fascinating. These figures have changed unless I have alzheimers, maybe,John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> You mean that a 200 million dollar profit is not enough...uuggg! I dought the new movie will do any or much better. Not in spite of itself but its not SpiderBatHulkingman. Take care, John M.
>
>
>
> Are you sure there was a $200M profit on POTA2001? The budget ended up being in the area of $150M with another $50M on promotion, and that was just in this country.
>
>
>
>

While it may seem silly upon first look, there is a reason that a film
is considered a failure if it doesn't pull in 2 or 3 times its initial
cost. More than a few reasons really.

One reason is that audience reception of films in general varies
greatly, and no matter what you do (in fact the more daring and creative
you try to be) many films will fail and loose money. That means that to
even survive, a studio has to make sure that in the end, the profitable
films it releases at least covers the loses of those that will
ultimately lose money. So if a film only pulls in a modest profit, it is
not a 'success' and if one considers that the money put into it could
have been spent on a really successful film. That is why a moderately
success film is a failure in that regard.

Another reason a moderately successful film is frowned on it that a
sequel is more likely to pull in a smaller audience, so again it is
viewed as a missed opportunity. This is exactly what happened to the
2001 Burton movie. It was considered a failure because the studio was
really banking on it leading to one or more 'easy cash' sequels.

Before anyone interjects the many examples where sequels outperform the
originals, don't waste your typing time. I know there are plenty of
examples. I'm not saying I agree to the logic applied by Hollywood, I'm
just giving their point of view and rationales.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Friday, May 20, 2011 12:59 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Boxofficemojo predicts $205 million foreign for "Apes"

>
>
> You mean that a 200 million dollar profit is not enough...uuggg! I
> dought the new movie will do any or much better. Not in spite of
> itself but its not SpiderBatHulkingman. Take care, John M.
>
>
>
> Are you sure there was a $200M profit on POTA2001? The budget
> ended up being in the area of $150M with another $50M on promotion,
> and that was just in this country.
>
>
>
>

He hit it on the head. I feel vindicated to my earlier post about the brainlessness of moviegoers. But it is a shame though. It seems the dumber the film the more it will make. Good post, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> You think THOR has gotten good reviews? I guess it depends on who you're reading. I read this:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-farr/lifes-just-a-comic-book-t_b_859566.html"
>
> Warning: Not for comic book fans.
>

If something doesnt change Hollywood is going to spend themselves out of their own business...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> While it may seem silly upon first look, there is a reason that a film
> is considered a failure if it doesn't pull in 2 or 3 times its initial
> cost. More than a few reasons really.
>
> One reason is that audience reception of films in general varies
> greatly, and no matter what you do (in fact the more daring and creative
> you try to be) many films will fail and loose money. That means that to
> even survive, a studio has to make sure that in the end, the profitable
> films it releases at least covers the loses of those that will
> ultimately lose money. So if a film only pulls in a modest profit, it is
> not a 'success' and if one considers that the money put into it could
> have been spent on a really successful film. That is why a moderately
> success film is a failure in that regard.
>
> Another reason a moderately successful film is frowned on it that a
> sequel is more likely to pull in a smaller audience, so again it is
> viewed as a missed opportunity. This is exactly what happened to the
> 2001 Burton movie. It was considered a failure because the studio was
> really banking on it leading to one or more 'easy cash' sequels.
>
> Before anyone interjects the many examples where sequels outperform the
> originals, don't waste your typing time. I know there are plenty of
> examples. I'm not saying I agree to the logic applied by Hollywood, I'm
> just giving their point of view and rationales.
>
> Dario
>

He makes my point about "Thor" getting good reviews, he's complaining about them. "Thor" got (generally) good reviews, not by everyone (Ebert comes to mind) but more than the usual comic book movie. I saw "Thor" and enjoyed it. It's a tough story to dramatize. The comparison to "Iron Man" isn't fair. "Iron Man" had a better character and more (believable?) situations from the comic books. "Thor" is a tougher nut to crack for modern audiences, the god stuff.
That's not "celebrating mediocrity". If they're going to give us super hero movies, "Thor" is a good one. And I've never read a "Thor" comic book so it's not like I'm filling in the blanks. But it'll be hard for some people to swallow, like "Lord of the Rings" was.
I also bought the soundtrack and love it. I look forward to Doyle's "Apes" score.
But I agree all the selling of the next movies is tacky. Hopefully "Apes" will have some kind of a satisfying ending and not just a "to be continued". Something that makes it feel like a full meal.



From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 10:07 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Thor to Krueger




You think THOR has gotten good reviews? I guess it depends on who you're reading. I read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-farr/lifes-just-a-comic-book-t_b_859566.html"

Warning: Not for comic book fans.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all...
> I just received a nicely preserved 45 record of Leonard Rosenman's "March of the Apes" from the Beneath soundtrack released as a promotion copy (not for sale!) on Amos records. Was just wondering if anyone has heard this....I don't see a track called "March of the Apes" on the CD release....and my LP is framed so I can't see the back....
> Is this just "Off to War" from the soundtrack? It's 2:55 minutes....
> Just wondering if anyone knew about this before I hand it off to a friend who could digitize it for me....wondering if it was posted somewhere already.....
> Any information would be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Tim
>

Yes it was a regular release in 1970. In fact a radio station in 1999 had it on rotation onsome guys show, interesting. The site is www.kfjc.org/music/playlist.php?i=20657 Hope I typed it right, take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all...
> I just received a nicely preserved 45 record of Leonard Rosenman's "March of the Apes" from the Beneath soundtrack released as a promotion copy (not for sale!) on Amos records. Was just wondering if anyone has heard this....I don't see a track called "March of the Apes" on the CD release....and my LP is framed so I can't see the back....
> Is this just "Off to War" from the soundtrack? It's 2:55 minutes....
> Just wondering if anyone knew about this before I hand it off to a friend who could digitize it for me....wondering if it was posted somewhere already.....
> Any information would be greatly appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Tim
>

Tim/apefan: "I just received a nicely preserved 45 record of Leonard Rosenman's 'March of the Apes' from the Beneath soundtrack released as a promotion copy (not for sale!) on Amos records. Was just wondering if anyone has heard this....I don't see a track called 'March of the Apes' on the CD release....and my LP is framed so I can't see the back.... Is this just 'Off to War' from the soundtrack? It's 2:55 minutes."

Would this happen to be the actual Apes march music from the audio soundtrack of the movie?

After all, the march music on the original 1970 LP soundtrack to "Beneath" had a jazzed-up version of the Apes march that makes 'em sound more like they're about to invade Las Vegas. (And if memory serves, that same LP had a jazzed-up the Mutants' musical adoration of the Alpha-Omega Bomb as well. I had had no idea that movie soundtracks from that far back had attempted Meco-like pop versions of select movie soundtracks.)

So you'd be lucky if that 45 RPM record had the version of the Apes March from the actual movie audiotrack.

Its the funky version with half of the Wrecking Crew as musicians. The backing musicians to most of the 60s hits from Spector and so many others. Brian Wilson used them for most of the 60s records including "Pet Sounds"...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> Tim/apefan: "I just received a nicely preserved 45 record of Leonard Rosenman's 'March of the Apes' from the Beneath soundtrack released as a promotion copy (not for sale!) on Amos records. Was just wondering if anyone has heard this....I don't see a track called 'March of the Apes' on the CD release....and my LP is framed so I can't see the back.... Is this just 'Off to War' from the soundtrack? It's 2:55 minutes."
>
> Would this happen to be the actual Apes march music from the audio soundtrack of the movie?
>
> After all, the march music on the original 1970 LP soundtrack to "Beneath" had a jazzed-up version of the Apes march that makes 'em sound more like they're about to invade Las Vegas. (And if memory serves, that same LP had a jazzed-up the Mutants' musical adoration of the Alpha-Omega Bomb as well. I had had no idea that movie soundtracks from that far back had attempted Meco-like pop versions of select movie soundtracks.)
>
> So you'd be lucky if that 45 RPM record had the version of the Apes March from the actual movie audiotrack.
>

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"Escape From the POTA" turns 40 today (May 21st). How ironic that the world ends today. But even if it doesn't we'll still be taken over by apes so we're screwed either way. But if it is Man's destiny to be dominated then oh please God let him be dominated by such as them (and not by some Rapture).
Happy Anniversary to my favorite "Ape" sequel and the first "Ape" production I ever saw.

DVD Beaver has a review of one of Franklin Schaffner's best remembered film (I hear he also dabbled in science fiction). Rupert Wyatt, the director of "Rise of the POTA" is also known for a prison escape movie, "The Escapist", and in fact when asked to name his favorite prison escape movie on an "Escapist" DVD extra, he said "Papillon".

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews54/papillon_blu-ray.htm

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Well, the original PotA didn't get universally good reviews.Neither did Wizard of Oz.Neither did The Searchers.Personally, I enjoyed Thor a lot--not life changing, but a lot of fun with some endearing performances.I think Rise of the PotA has the potential to be a significant movie, both in terms of technology and story.The mere mention of Avatar might put some prissy reviewers' backs up, but, you know what---F*** 'Em! Apes Rule!!!! John, Scrolls

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> He makes my point about "Thor" getting good reviews, he's complaining about them. "Thor" got (generally) good reviews, not by everyone (Ebert comes to mind) but more than the usual comic book movie. I saw "Thor" and enjoyed it. It's a tough story to dramatize. The comparison to "Iron Man" isn't fair. "Iron Man" had a better character and more (believable?) situations from the comic books. "Thor" is a tougher nut to crack for modern audiences, the god stuff.
> That's not "celebrating mediocrity". If they're going to give us super hero movies, "Thor" is a good one. And I've never read a "Thor" comic book so it's not like I'm filling in the blanks. But it'll be hard for some people to swallow, like "Lord of the Rings" was.
> I also bought the soundtrack and love it. I look forward to Doyle's "Apes" score.
> But I agree all the selling of the next movies is tacky. Hopefully "Apes" will have some kind of a satisfying ending and not just a "to be continued". Something that makes it feel like a full meal.
>
>
>
>

One thing that is rarely explored with the Mutants is the precise cause of their mutations.As well as the radiation, Gerrold's novel suggests that the anti-radiation drugs taken contributed to their genetic alteration.Maybe the cocktail of drugs and radiation triggered a latent gene that was a natural next stage in the evolution.Their minds clearly evolved but their bodies, in the movies, effectively devolved and, presumably, are steadily rotting away.With such mental powers, there must be a reason why the Mutants elected not to treat their bodies, but concentrated on their minds.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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>
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>
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