The scene in which General Thade says...


Ah, but I kid.


I think my favorite sequence would have to be the deaths of Zira and Cornelius. It's so incredibly emotional, and gets me every time I see it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> This has probably been asked before on here but just keep in mind that I have only been part of this group for 3 years.
>
> "What is your favorite scene from all of the original movies?"
>
> Mine is in 'Planet' when Taylor is brought back to Cornelius' home. I love any pic that shows Cornelius with the paper airplane or the map.
>
> Others:
>
> -The end of POTA....naturally. (I realize that this will likely be the most popular answer and understandably so).
>
> -Taylor's private meeting with Zaius.
>
> -The Ursus speech.
>
> -Caesar's emotional outburst after he hears of Armando's death.
>
> -Caesar's exchange with MacDonald at the end of Conquest.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:

>
> This has probably been asked before on here but just keep in mind that I have only been part of this group for 3 years.
>
> "What is your favorite scene from all of the original movies?"
>
> Mine is in 'Planet' when Taylor is brought back to Cornelius' home. I love any pic that shows Cornelius with the paper airplane or the map.
>
> Others:
>
> -The end of POTA....naturally. (I realize that this will likely be the most popular answer and understandably so).
>
> -Taylor's private meeting with Zaius.
>
> -The Ursus speech.
>
> -Caesar's emotional outburst after he hears of Armando's death.
>
> -Caesar's exchange with MacDonald at the end of Conquest.
>

The moment just after Taylor says his first hands off lines to the apes, but it's Zira's "I knew it" reaction that gets me.

Another Zira moment, but in Escape, where she's set a task by Dr Dixon and Dr Branton to reach for a banana with the aid of building blocks. The loathing of bananas and the shock of the doctors at her speaking was classic.

The ending of Escape, where mortally wounded Zira goes to dead Cornelius, brings a tear to my eye.

Taylor in the court scene.

There are others, but I won't hog this thread with them.


Graham

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Post-hunt scene: The shot in "Planet" after the hunt where the gorilla walks out of the cornfield carrying the boy past all the corpses.

Runner-up, in "Escape" the goodbye scene when Cornelius asks Lewis for a gun just in case. And the goodbye scene with Armando. "Escape" nailed the goodbye scenes.

Those scenes seem to ratchet up the believability level.


From: Eric
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:24 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Question for everyone....



This has probably been asked before on here but just keep in mind that I have only been part of this group for 3 years.

"What is your favorite scene from all of the original movies?"

Mine is in 'Planet' when Taylor is brought back to Cornelius' home. I love any pic that shows Cornelius with the paper airplane or the map.

Others:

-The end of POTA....naturally. (I realize that this will likely be the most popular answer and understandably so).

-Taylor's private meeting with Zaius.

-The Ursus speech.

-Caesar's emotional outburst after he hears of Armando's death.

-Caesar's exchange with MacDonald at the end of Conquest.

Thanks to Alex for the heads up.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/digital-rise-apes-13528039

> "What is your favorite scene from all of the original movies?"

Taylor's Trial in "Planet of the Apes"

Reason: Over the years, this has become my favorite scene because I myself experienced it in an altogether similar real-life context when I voluntarily "subpoenaed myself" to testify in behalf of a wrongly-arrested Iranian student whose innocence I could vouch for. (Since I'd never been officially served the subpoena by the original city officer, I technically could have renegged and not fulfilled my moral obligation to the Iranian student in question without consequence. Once I'd had a hint about what had become of the subpoena, I went to my college-campus police station where it had been left -- because they couldn't find me at my dorm room -- to be officially served it by a proxy, a campus policeman).

In a sense, by cinematic osmosis, the Trial of Taylor scene must have left an impression on me because many of the events that had played out in real life were so evocative in tone and context of those of the kangaroo court of Taylor's Trial.

In an earlier situation regarding that aforementioned case, I had been confronted by a police chief's assertion that all Iranians looked alike to him despite my having provided a description of the innocent student in question, his clothing and his first name.

The Iranian student's knowledge of English was so poor that he didn't understand all the legal jargon that was being bandied about and when I myself later told the judge that it had been more than apparent to me that the student's English was limited, he very cavalierly admonished me, saying that he nonetheless had done the very best he could to explain matters (which he really hadn't).

Although no companion of the Iranian student had been labotamized like Taylor's fellow astronaut, there was a complete abandonment of Common Sense and American legal principles which left me shaking my head about how brainless the judge had been because other surrounding events swirling about this matter had made the national news and indeed for a while were speculated might impact the 50 American hostages then being held in Iran.

In a final coda to the matter, I later experienced a dressing-down from the judge in court that left me feeling somewhat defeated and not unlike Zira & Cornelius after Taylor's Trial.

Nevertheless, Zira & Cornelius served as good role models, and upon later reflection, I was amazed that I had inadvertently lived vicariously through their example as well as the example of Zira in Boulle's book. (I had taken the Iranian student some books to read while he was being unjustly held in jail in order to make it easier for him to while away his time there.)

Eric Payton: "The end of Escape is just sad. When I was a kid, it was as if I saw chimpanzee versions of my own parents dying. To tell you the truth, it's still difficult for me to watch."

I felt a bit traumatized by the ending of ESCAPE because I'd figured that since Baby Milo hadn't started talking yet -- (Remember the newspaper movie-ad line: "It's Baby Milo who's terrified Washington -- but he isn't talking yet!") -- Zira & Cornelius just had to survive. (I had thought that Baby Milo would have had something more profound to say other than "Ma-ma!" I didn't realize that it was merely because Baby Milo had the power of speech.)

In either case, I was dumbfounded several times over when the baby chimpanzee in Armando's circus talked at the end. First, I misinferred at first that Heloise's baby had somehow been inspired by Zira's example (when she futilely tried to teach it to say "Mama") to talk -- but then as the camera zoomed in on the baby chimpanzee, I finally caught sight of the St. Christopher medal around its neck and realized: "Zira switched babies!"

As the credits rolled, I rewound the movie in my mind and recalled where Zira had bid goodbye to Heloise and her baby and said that although she and Heloise couldn't talk to each other, they nonetheless understood each other.

That was the eeriest sense of joy I've ever experienced from a movie ending. And so, thus inspired, I saw the movie two moore times straight in a row that afternoon because now that I'd absorbed the storyline, I not only wanted to enjoy the movie again but also to ponder the implications of all that Zira & Cornelius had forcast for Earth's near future and what, if any, role, their surviving son might play in it.

It wasn't until some 10 months later that I learned to my astonishment about "Conquest" when I caught either or both movie producer Arthur P. Jacobs and/or the director on a New Orleans, Louisiana TV station being interviewed about the movie and showing a few clips from it.

I recall that I wasn't exactly sure what a "conquest" was and had to look it up in the dictionary. My cousin and I also sat three times in a row through "Conquest" three times, also enduring three times in a row an interminable 30-minute industrial-promotion film about oil pipelines being run through the Amazon River basin that ran before the previews. (The oil business was one of Houma, Louisiana's major industries.)

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For me, in an ocean of classic scenes, the one that gets me every time is Armando saying goodbye to Caesar in Conquest---wonderful acting and heart wrending emotion.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Post-hunt scene: The shot in "Planet" after the hunt where the gorilla walks out of the cornfield carrying the boy past all the corpses.
>
> Runner-up, in "Escape" the goodbye scene when Cornelius asks Lewis for a gun just in case. And the goodbye scene with Armando. "Escape" nailed the goodbye scenes.
>
> Those scenes seem to ratchet up the believability level.
>
>

I would have to say one of my favorite scenes (that wasn't mentioned yet) was Nova getting shot in BENEATH. I knew it was just gonna get worse for Taylor & Brent after that --plus I really liked Nova and hated to see her die.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 5:55 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Question for everyone....

 

For me, in an ocean of classic scenes, the one that gets me every time is Armando saying goodbye to Caesar in Conquest---wonderful acting and heart wrending emotion.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Post-hunt scene: The shot in "Planet" after the hunt where the gorilla walks out of the cornfield carrying the boy past all the corpses.
>
> Runner-up, in "Escape" the goodbye scene when Cornelius asks Lewis for a gun just in case. And the goodbye scene with Armando. "Escape" nailed the goodbye scenes.
>
> Those scenes seem to ratchet up the believability level.
>
>

Wowza! That is amazing stuff! I almost wish we could go straight to the dvd/blu ray now! As always, I'm immensely grateful to Jeff for the heads up on these links---he's doing the leg work for our surfing and it's much appreciated by this particular monkey. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Alex for the heads up.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/digital-rise-apes-13528039
>

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The player makes no difference . If in the menu of the Bluray it offers surround 5.1(DTS-5.1 master audio) then its their. How good it is(usaully the Apes Blurays are abysmill) depends on Foxs mix and the elements available. The Sony just gives you the option of hearing it. Not to confuse you but 5.5 audio has different bit rates and some cannot be decoded from the Sony or a perticular reciever, Google it if you dont understand-I doubth yo dont- If its not on the disc you will not hear it. Though their are DD surround matrixes and other ways of simulating 5.1 sound but that ends up with inferior sound cut up 5.1 times. A turd carved up into five piesces is still a turd. If a good mix from original elements can be found like im hoping this IVC restoration of the film elements will be- then it can be great. Fox and the Apes sound wise has always been problamatic. An original Mono mix (not tampered with to get 5-7 channels) can sound wonderfull and if a good mono mix is only available, fine, thats the way it was released theatrically, and it did sound dynamic. Anybody with a sound processor or receiver can simulate 5.1 if they are so inclined. Offer a great mono mix if that is all that was originaly available. Sorry for going on but the sound part of the Apes films have been so far abysimall....Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thought this might interest you, Rory.
> The Planet of the Apes Bluray is indeed in 5.1 surround sound!
>
> Check this out. A few months ago I bought a HD3D TV and of course I needed a 3D
> Bluray player for it.
> Well, it turns out that on my Sony 3D Bluray player, Planet of the Apes does
> indeed play in complete 5.1 surround sound!
>
> So my guess is that it's not the surround sound system that makes the difference
> but the Bluray player ITSELF!
> The one I was using before was the Panasonic DMP-BD80 Bluray player. Now using
> the Sony BDP-3570 and it makes all the difference in the world!
> I'm talking complete surround sound, buddy! It sounds awesome! Sound effects
> along with all music scores in surround sound.
>
> Al
>
> P.S. PANASONIC SUCKS! :o)
>

The trailer for "Rise of the POTA" has already caused a big enough impression to get a mention in a Time magazine science article (about lizard cloning). And we thought selling out POTA #1 was big. ; )

http://techland.time.com/2011/05/04/science-creates-all-female-breed-of-lizards/

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> "What is your favorite scene from all of the original movies?"

James King: 'Taylor's Trial in "Planet of the Apes' Reason: Over the years, this has become my favorite scene because I myself experienced it in an altogether similar real-life context when I voluntarily "subpoenaed myself" to testify in behalf of a wrongly-arrested Iranian student whose innocence I could vouch for. (Since I'd never been officially served the subpoena by the original city officer, I technically could have renegged and not fulfilled my moral obligation to the Iranian student in question without consequence. Once I'd had a hint about what had become of the subpoena, I went to my college-campus police station where it had been left -- because they couldn't find me at my dorm room -- to be officially served it by a proxy, a campus policeman).
"In a sense, by cinematic osmosis, the Trial of Taylor scene must have left an impression on me because many of the events that had played out in real life were so evocative in tone and context of those of the kangaroo court of Taylor's Trial.
"In an earlier situation regarding that aforementioned case, I had been confronted by a police chief's assertion that all Iranians looked alike to him despite my having provided a description of the innocent student in question, his clothing and his first name.
"The Iranian student's knowledge of English was so poor that he didn't understand all the legal jargon that was being bandied about and when I myself later told the judge that it had been more than apparent to me that the student's English was limited, he very cavalierly admonished me, saying that he nonetheless had done the very best he could to explain matters (which he really hadn't).
"Although no companion of the Iranian student had been labotamized like Taylor's fellow astronaut, there was a complete abandonment of Common Sense and American legal principles which left me shaking my head about how brainless the judge had been because other surrounding events swirling about this matter had made the national news and indeed for a while were speculated might impact the 50 American hostages then being held in Iran.
"In a final coda to the matter, I later experienced a dressing-down from the judge in court that left me feeling somewhat defeated and not unlike Zira & Cornelius after Taylor's Trial.
"Nevertheless, Zira & Cornelius served as good role models, and upon later reflection, I was amazed that I had inadvertently lived vicariously through their example as well as the example of Zira in Boulle's book. (I had taken the Iranian student some books to read while he was being unjustly held in jail in order to make it easier for him to while away his time there."

Eric Payton: "That's an interesting story. I like how you can relate a very important part of 'Planet' to a very important part of your life."

It was three years after those events while I was in the midst of writing a lengthy critique and appreciation in one of "Planet of the Apes" for a college film analysis & criticism class that the similarities began to dawn on me.

What I wrote above was merely the Reader's Digest version of the story. There were also aspects of the seminal event that started the whole ball rolling that were quite evocative of the chimpanzee student protesters in BATTLE. However, although there was a chanting sit-in protest by Iranian students who objected to the former Shah of Iran's prime minister speaking at my university, unlike the chimps in BENEATH, the Iranian students weren't immediately arrested on site. Rather, the police had been flummoxed about what to do and apparently didn't receive their orders from higher-ups until it was too late and after the Iranian student sit-in protest had broken up.

So, the police settled instead for stopping cars off campus and arresting any college student who merely "looked Iranian", including Arabs of other Middle Eastern countries, Latin & South Americans, and even Asians! (Some of these international non-Iranian students had been pursued across campus with city policemen with police dogs.)

The Iranian student whom I vouched for subpoenawise was not even a participant in the Iranian student demonstration sit-in. He was merely a bystander like myself who along with other American and international students was watching the chanting and seated Iranian protesters. Indeed, it was because he wasn't participating that prompted me to ask him, "Why aren't you joining this party?" to which he said in broken English, "I leave Iran to get away from such madness." (The protesting Iranian students supported the new regime of the Ayatollah Khomeini. The Iranian-student bystander who conversed with me, a recent transfer to a nearby university, was not the religious sort and was studying a technical field.) The last time I saw that Iranian student that night, he was at Burger King.

The next time I saw him was at 6 a.m. the next morning on the local TV news which announced that 48 Iranian students had been arrested overnight. And there in living color on the TV screen was the Iranian-student bystander whom I'd talked to being led in handcuffs into the local city jail.

I felt like I was in a "Twilight Zone" episode because you see, I REALLY WAS because I myself had been a victim of some godawful circumstances in high school in which one person could have exonerated me for an alleged theft of school lunch tickets that my three of our fellow classmates and he had perpetrated. Although he'd 'fessed up and told the principal essentially the same story as I and claimed he'd never used any of the tickets he stole, after he witnessed the flack I was taking from those three fellow classmates who'd liked to the principal, upon further quesitoning, he suddenly "couldn't remember" whether I had stolen any tickets or not. The upshot of those events was that like Taylor, my own life had been turned upside-down in many negative respects. One of my coping mechanisms was the "Planet of the Apes" films and magazine. (The other coping mechanism that sort of goes hand in hand with that was Saturday Night Live because it helped instill in me a more sardonically satirical outlook on life.)

And since I'd always believed my fellow high-school classmate had all along known the truth about my innocence and should have been willing to stand up for me regardless of the fact that the other three students involved were his in-crowd friends, I was now put in similar moral quandary where I knew the truth of the Iranian student's innocence but it was a hostile time for any American to venture to vouch for any Iranian's alleged innocence about anything during the Iranian hostage crisis. In my own hometown, for instance, somebody had posted on a store's portable roadside sign: "BOMB IRAN!"

Nevertheless, there was that inner voice that told me, "If you really believe your classmate should have vouched for you even in the most adverse circumstances, then you're going to have to prove that point by living out that notion yourself."

In hindsight, I take solace in the fact that perhaps it was altogether appropriate that I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone on that Friday morning of March 7, 1980 when I saw that that bystander Iranian student being led into jail on the TV news. After all, Rod Serling did write some of the earlier drafts for "Planet of the Apes" as well. And since the Twilight Zone had also been one of my childhood favorite TV shows, I could richly appreciate the irony of being caught up in some extroidinary circumstances that tested my mettle and my self-confidence.

Patrick Doyle's Thor score scores 4 out of 5 stars in Empire magazine.Say that five times fast.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I'm really optimistic that Patrick Doyle will deliver for Apes, having heard Thor.Wouldn't it be great to have a sweeping score,full orchestra, that stands alone as well as enhances the movie? In other words, the exact opposite to Apes 2001. John, Scrolls.
>

Happy Friday! A new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY is now available.

To view the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

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To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm.

Finally, the WETA Live presentation has been added to the Videos section of the Group website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/WETA.htm. In the One Sheets section, Conquest's 3-sheet poster has been added to that film's page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Conquest.htm. Anyone who can't access here, please visit the mirror site: https://pota.ediaarchive.com/.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

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Happy Friday! A new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY is now available.

To view the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

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To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm.

Finally, the WETA Live presentation has been added to the Videos section of the Group website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/WETA.htm. In the One Sheets section, Conquest's 3-sheet poster has been added to that film's page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Conquest.htm. Anyone who can't access here, please visit the mirror site: https://pota.ediaarchive.com/.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
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I hadn't seen the WETA Live feature before.That is just a fascinating way to spend half an hour.Talented people enthusing about Apes.Andy Serkis is a worthy successor to Roddy's Caesar.If I get any more excited about this movie, I'll burst!!! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Happy Friday! A new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY is now available.
> To view the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home
> page or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> .
>
> Also, the MARVEL ARCHIVE has been updated with the literally
> Earth-shattering conclusion of "Beneath the Planet of the Apes".
>
> To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use
> this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Finally, the WETA Live presentation has been added to the Videos section
> of the Group website:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/WETA.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/WETA.htm> .
> In the One Sheets section, Conquest's 3-sheet poster has been added to
> that film's page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Conquest.htm
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Conquest.htm> .
> Anyone who can't access here, please visit the mirror site:
> https://pota.ediaarchive.com/ <https://pota.ediaarchive.com/> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
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> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All. * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius. * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil. * The Illustrated
> Monkey Planet <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm>
> - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel. *
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> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot. * The Art Gallery
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> ranging from Characters to Comics.
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We went through this sound conumdrum a thousand times. What the truth really is , is that the audio for POTA68 is the composite of voice, music, sound effects and Foley stage effects. The original seperate elements for POTA68 seems to be "Lost". The sequels all have their sound elements seperate and in good shape(The isolated music tracks on the Bluray for example).
When mastering is done for yet another release the seperat sound elemnts for the sequels are mixed(usually badly) by Fox and released. Planet68 sound elements have gotten no better since the first Magnetic Video presentation. If it sounds better to some its because the audio ahrdware has improved not the software. What hurts is that the elemsnts are around(hense the Varese sarabande cd) and the great HBO/Cinemax presentations which since 1990 have been dynamic, distortion free and Mono. This preoccupation with Fox that making a 5.1 sound mix from a distorted and substandered mono mix is ridiculous, Want to hear Planet and Beneath in glorious sound- watch the HBO/Cinemax presentation and amplify it through your stereo or 5.1/7.1 system. Better yeat apply Pro-logic(if inclined) and it makes the recent Bluray really sad...Take care , John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I had a similar experience when I finally got my Pioneer A/V receiver and actually listened to it with the DTS-HD Master Audio properly decoded. My Blu-ray player was and still is a Panasonic BD30. I'm generally happy with it even though it's sometimes slow in booting up the discs. I've since bought a Panasonic BD75, but that one was for the 32" LCD in my bedroom, where I don't have surround sound. I've not wanted to "upgrade" to a 3D Blu-ray player because I'd then have to get a new plasma and I don't want to spend the money on that because I really couldn't care less about 3D anything.
>
> I'm not sure why your situation is what it is. My understanding is that DVD and Blu-ray players merely output the raw bitstream of the HD audio and that it is your receiver that decodes it. I assume you're still using the same surround sound receiver, so why a new player is making this big difference is a puzzlement, but I'm glad it's happening for you.
>
> Having said all that, I'm still not happy with the 5.1 on the PLANET Blu-ray. The music is, to my ears, expanded mono, not the true stereo that you hear on the PLANET soundtrack CD from Varese Sarabande. There's been some "pot panning" of the sound effects, but not as well as it was done on the 35th Anniversary DVD's Dolby Digital and DTS soundtracks, though that audio now doesn't have the superior fidelity of the Blu-ray's HD audio.
>
> PLANET's audio is a bizarre mixed bag. The HD transfer of PLANET now being shown on satellite seems to be the new restoration of the picture, but it also seems to have yet another audio remix, with the music sounding as if it could be the true stereo tracks, but the sound effects "panning" still subdued and the dialogue all still dead center, which it shouldn't be -- if you assume the 4-channel stereo of Fox films from that time still panned dialogue, and I suspect Fox gave that up by the late sixties. I can live without the panning of the dialogue except for one scene in PLANET where Taylor and Cornelius exchange dialogue at the gorge. When it's the Panavision shot with Taylor on one side of the gorge and Cornelius on the other, Heston's dialogue should come from the left and McDowall's from the right, or at least center/left and center/right, which it currently doesn't do.
>
> Hopefully, if there is to be a new Blu-ray, a new more aggressive 5.1 surround mix will be done, but I doubt it. Anyway, I'm glad you've had this "discovery." Anything new with what you hear in the sequel Blu-ray's audio?
>
> And maybe Panasonic sucks, but I've never had any trouble with Panasonic. My plasma is Panasonic, my DVD recorders are Panasonic. My receiver is a Pioneer though.
>
> -- Rory
>

We went through this sound conumdrum a thousand times. What the truth really is , is that the audio for POTA68 is the composite of voice, music, sound effects and Foley stage effects. The original seperate elements for POTA68 seems to be "Lost". The sequels all have their sound elements seperate and in good shape(The isolated music tracks on the Bluray for example).
When mastering is done for yet another release the seperat sound elemnts for the sequels are mixed(usually badly) by Fox and released. Planet68 sound elements have gotten no better since the first Magnetic Video presentation. If it sounds better to some its because the audio ahrdware has improved not the software. What hurts is that the elemsnts are around(hense the Varese sarabande cd) and the great HBO/Cinemax presentations which since 1990 have been dynamic, distortion free and Mono. This preoccupation with Fox that making a 5.1 sound mix from a distorted and substandered mono mix is ridiculous, Want to hear Planet and Beneath in glorious sound- watch the HBO/Cinemax presentation and amplify it through your stereo or 5.1/7.1 system. Better yeat apply Pro-logic(if inclined) and it makes the recent Bluray really sad...Take care , John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I had a similar experience when I finally got my Pioneer A/V receiver and actually listened to it with the DTS-HD Master Audio properly decoded. My Blu-ray player was and still is a Panasonic BD30. I'm generally happy with it even though it's sometimes slow in booting up the discs. I've since bought a Panasonic BD75, but that one was for the 32" LCD in my bedroom, where I don't have surround sound. I've not wanted to "upgrade" to a 3D Blu-ray player because I'd then have to get a new plasma and I don't want to spend the money on that because I really couldn't care less about 3D anything.
>
> I'm not sure why your situation is what it is. My understanding is that DVD and Blu-ray players merely output the raw bitstream of the HD audio and that it is your receiver that decodes it. I assume you're still using the same surround sound receiver, so why a new player is making this big difference is a puzzlement, but I'm glad it's happening for you.
>
> Having said all that, I'm still not happy with the 5.1 on the PLANET Blu-ray. The music is, to my ears, expanded mono, not the true stereo that you hear on the PLANET soundtrack CD from Varese Sarabande. There's been some "pot panning" of the sound effects, but not as well as it was done on the 35th Anniversary DVD's Dolby Digital and DTS soundtracks, though that audio now doesn't have the superior fidelity of the Blu-ray's HD audio.
>
> PLANET's audio is a bizarre mixed bag. The HD transfer of PLANET now being shown on satellite seems to be the new restoration of the picture, but it also seems to have yet another audio remix, with the music sounding as if it could be the true stereo tracks, but the sound effects "panning" still subdued and the dialogue all still dead center, which it shouldn't be -- if you assume the 4-channel stereo of Fox films from that time still panned dialogue, and I suspect Fox gave that up by the late sixties. I can live without the panning of the dialogue except for one scene in PLANET where Taylor and Cornelius exchange dialogue at the gorge. When it's the Panavision shot with Taylor on one side of the gorge and Cornelius on the other, Heston's dialogue should come from the left and McDowall's from the right, or at least center/left and center/right, which it currently doesn't do.
>
> Hopefully, if there is to be a new Blu-ray, a new more aggressive 5.1 surround mix will be done, but I doubt it. Anyway, I'm glad you've had this "discovery." Anything new with what you hear in the sequel Blu-ray's audio?
>
> And maybe Panasonic sucks, but I've never had any trouble with Panasonic. My plasma is Panasonic, my DVD recorders are Panasonic. My receiver is a Pioneer though.
>
> -- Rory
>

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Ill make this fast(Sure). Planet of the Apes 68 was always a sound mess. All the sequels eventually got their 2track/4 track elements in order and the quality of the sequels always changed depending on who or what had mixed it. POTA68 since 79 really has not changed(much). The hardware at the time sucked hense the hiss, wow/flutter(wobbly sound) or bad tape and missing audio parts weather aound effects music buried in the mix and a whole host of problems(Beneath had this also until the second round of laserdisc) but Beneath is only perfect on HBO/Cinemax.
If you are playing your bluray through the coax/toshlink audio output you are not getting the full resolution of audio. The only way to get DTS-Master audio is through the Analog outputs(I do IT that way because the D/A converters are better on my pioneer bluray players than the amp/receivers), or HDMI into an HDMI receiver. My Bluray players are a Pioneer 51 and a Pioneer 320. They use great Burr brown and Wolfson analog output stages. The analog cables go into two power amps. Front L/R into a McIntosh and my rear L/R goes into an NAD amp. My speakers have built in subs so I run a 4.0 system.
Planet68 sounds, with the exception of less hiss and alittle more dynamic sound(or should I say compressed sound, that gives the illusion of more volume) basically the same for 35 years. Until they find seperate elements for the sound it can never improve. To repeat myself how does HBO do it. Since I found out that different audio houses do the transferring, its got to be the people who do the telecine and audio, and Foxes people stink.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think you're overstating things a might. The original mono audio on the old Magnetic Video and a couple years later on 20th Century Fox Video, and then CBS/Fox Video (I know, this is ridiculous with all the company names, but it's the facts), suffered from terrible background hiss. The audio on the current Blu-ray is light years from that.
>
> Also, the recent (and still current) HBO showings of the APES sequels have been mono, and their 5.1 audio on Blu-ray is a stereo remix from mono sources, As you play any of them, during parts with music, just jump back and forth from the 5.1 movie soundtrack to the isolated scores (in true stereo) and you'll hear the difference, believe me.
>
> -- Rory
>

Less than a month before "Rise of the POTA" debuts (ha! I said "buts") the documentary "Project Nim" will hit theaters (probably in limited release). The trailer just hit the net. Watch for the POTA reference.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Project-Nim-Trailer-The-Best-Laid-Plans-Of-Chimps-And-Men-24582.html"

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Anyone post this one yet?

 

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http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

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Yes, Hunter, have a great one!   Zach            -------Original Message-------   From: Bill Hollweg Date: 5/7/2011 8:30:33 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Birthday Reminder     HAPPY B-DAY HUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May you have a day of SIMIAN SHENNAGAN'S of COSMIC PROPORTIONS!!!!

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HAPPY B-DAY HUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

May you have a day of SIMIAN SHENNAGAN'S of COSMIC PROPORTIONS!!!!

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> Happy Birthday, Hunter. Noah had his ark, you have your archive.
> Save them two by two.

8-) Thanks, Jeff and James!

Hunter

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On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> Happy Birthday, Hunter. Noah had his ark, you have your archive.
> Save them two by two.

8-) Thanks, Jeff and James!

Hunter

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Happy Birthday Hunter.........

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Too be honest, it is a little long.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
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> What do you guys think of this intro?
>
> http://www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com/caesar.htmlbr>>
> Al
>

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Where Brent first discovers the Doomsday Bomb in St. Patrick's Cathedral-
I've always felt that was the beginning of the breaking point for his
character. If you watch the film, James Franciscus does this cool little
double takes and even times his exhale to right after he turns his head
the second time.


Chris L.

Obscure BATTLE reference here. Anyone? Anyone at all?

Chris L.

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>>You're no seeker. : o <<

>>"Personally, I think it's more respectful to let the originals RIP

(except when we want to watch them) and give these new ones the chance to do their own thing." - "Rise of the POTA" screenwriter Rick Jaffa.

I read the exact same sentiment back in 2001 when the Burton travesty was getting closer to it's release- and we all know how that turned out. Plus we got the DH series to boot- literally fruit from the poison tree. It seems like every 10 years someone gets the idea to dump all over the franchise- Malibu/Adventure in 1991, Burton/DH in 2001, Rise/Boom! in 2011.

Honestly, it's kind of liberating to be able to *not* salivate to the Pavlovian bell rung every time someone decides to roll out the "Well we're taking a different approach to the story, but we're all HUGE fans of the original series and blah blah blah..." preamble to their pet project. <<<.html

4 hours from my house....THIS is getting real tempting...

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

http://www.fantasticfest.com/blog/2011/05/the-apes-must-have-their-day-day-of-the-apes/

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

4 hours from my house....THIS is getting real tempting...

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

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Ditto.

 

Al

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Chris L.: "Obscure BATTLE reference here (in the title of the "Project Nim" documentary). Anyone? Anyone at all?"

There's no *intentional* BATTLE reference in the title of "Project Nim" which is based on the non-fiction book entitled "Nim Chimpsky: The Chimp Who Would Be Human" by Elizabeth Hess. ("Nim Chimpsky" is a spoof of author Noam Chompsky's name for a very intentional reason alluded to in the book.)

I was fortunate to acquire this book several months ago and am currently reading it now. While reading it, I realized that if one just flipped the concept behind the study of chimps over on its head a la "Planet of the Apes", then you might better understand what Dr. Zira's own study of humans seemed to be trying to accomplish.

> More information about "Project Nim" from: http://www.wordandfilm.com/2011/01/hbo-scores-the-rights-to-project-nim/

"Project Nim" is based on Elizabeth Hess's book, Nim Chimpsky: The Chimp Who Would Be Human, which tells the story of a chimpanzee who was raised like a human child and taught American Sign Language while living with his "adoptive family" in their Manhattan townhouse in the 1970s. The study was conducted at Columbia University, and led by Herbert S. Terrace. Terrace was in favor of conducting research on chimpanzees to better understand the human brain.

I´m a big fan of your Website too. Thank's and happy birthday.

The cover for the second printing of BOOM!'s issue #1 is now online, and I added it to the archive:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/boom-studios-planet-of-the-apes-cover-gallery.html"

I know I seem to be in the minority in feeling this way, but I liked issue 1. Aside from the art problems--human noses, female chimps looking like Burton apes, etc.--I thought the series got off to a strong start from a writing standpoint, and I look forward to seeing where this series is going. Sadly, it looks like that feeling isn't shared by a lot of people on either Yahoo Group, so I hope this title doesn't get canceled prematurely.

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Off to take a peek at the covers Rich-thanks for posting these!

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 7:43 AM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

The cover for the second printing of BOOM!'s issue #1 is now online, and I added it to the archive:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/boom-studios-planet-of-the-apes-cover-gallery.html"

I know I seem to be in the minority in feeling this way, but I liked issue 1. Aside from the art problems--human noses, female chimps looking like Burton apes, etc.--I thought the series got off to a strong start from a writing standpoint, and I look forward to seeing where this series is going. Sadly, it looks like that feeling isn't shared by a lot of people on either Yahoo Group, so I hope this title doesn't get canceled prematurely.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Im not into comics in general but we should all get behind this and lets some coin out of our pockets and support them. The more interest the better. I always did and I never even cared for comics. C'mon cheopos and stop making grand and collegeic excuses, thats from me , John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> The cover for the second printing of BOOM!'s issue #1 is now online, and I added it to the archive:
>
> http://www.hassleinbooks.com/boom-studios-planet-of-the-apes-cover-gallery.html"
>
> I know I seem to be in the minority in feeling this way, but I liked issue 1. Aside from the art problems--human noses, female chimps looking like Burton apes, etc.--I thought the series got off to a strong start from a writing standpoint, and I look forward to seeing where this series is going. Sadly, it looks like that feeling isn't shared by a lot of people on either Yahoo Group, so I hope this title doesn't get canceled prematurely.
>

Or nucleor war!, HaHa....John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> According to numerous studies, chimps do not have the ability to think in an
> abstract fashion the way humans do. I know that some researchers have been
> rather disappointed. Every primatologist I've ever known WANTS apes to be even
> more like humans than they already are. I admit that I have felt that way
> myself....but we need to wake up to reality and understand that it isn't going
> to happen unless we a.) wait a couple of million years or b.) do some genetic
> manipulation like in "Rise" (Yes!! POTA movie tie-in!!)
>

Hello Apes Guys and Gals,

I was wondering if I could lean on your collective powers to see if any one might have some information on this strange Apes item that I came across. I know the board doesn't seem to go into as much with merchandising and pricing talk, but I am sure many of you have personal collections of merchandising items of the Apes nature and have been collecting for years.

I have attached a link below and I would love to know if you have every seen one before (in all your years of collecting), or to know more about it than I have already found out.

Thanks for your help,
Mark


http://www.flickr.com/photos/friendofziras/5704499285/in/photostream

The comic has strong art and strong writing---even if the 'look' is jarring for some.Two strong female protagonists is brave and there's lots of plot strands that I'm eager to follow. When Lee and Kirby did Fantastic Four #1 back in 1961, they copped flak for the characters having no uniforms, no secret identities, etc.The comic evolved into a legend and I think BOOM! deserve our support and, maybe, a bit of patience. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Im not into comics in general but we should all get behind this and lets some coin out of our pockets and support them. The more interest the better. I always did and I never even cared for comics. C'mon cheopos and stop making grand and collegeic excuses, thats from me , John M.
>

Isn't it time we acknowledged that Rise is clearly intended as a tribute to episode 12 of the greatest TV Series ever? I, mean, James Franco actually says it early in the trailer and that's clearly powdered quinine that Caesar releases later in the trailer.It's all so obvious when you see it.John, Scrolls.

Mark,

I've never seen them before. The caption says: "These are two Planet of the Apes helium heads that I recent bought. They are massive and quite cool. Each was hand painted by a factory worker at the Tilly Balloon Co. in the early 70s."

Does anyone know what a helium head is?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "friend_of_ziras" <fscstu@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Apes Guys and Gals,
>
> I was wondering if I could lean on your collective powers to see if any one might have some information on this strange Apes item that I came across. I know the board doesn't seem to go into as much with merchandising and pricing talk, but I am sure many of you have personal collections of merchandising items of the Apes nature and have been collecting for years.
>
> I have attached a link below and I would love to know if you have every seen one before (in all your years of collecting), or to know more about it than I have already found out.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Mark
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/friendofziras/5704499285/in/photostream
>

It's to cover up a helium tank that blows up balloons.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 3:22 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Long Live Zaius




Mark,



I've never seen them before. The caption says: "These are two Planet of the Apes helium heads that I recent bought. They are massive and quite cool. Each was hand painted by a factory worker at the Tilly Balloon Co. in the early 70s."

Does anyone know what a helium head is?

Jeff answered the question of what a helium head is--and apparently there might have been tank sleeves too--but I didn't get their soon enough. The factory is being emptied and most things were just tossed. It was really amazing to me to hear that this process still happens in 2011, but I guess when the property was worth millions, this stuff was/is seen as "trash."

I actually wrote the caption (and that's my kitchen) but I am really trying to see if anyone had seen one before six months ago. They had been in storage for 30+ years until that time. Anyone remember them at a theme park, theater opening, or birthday party?

Any info is appreciated. Go Ape!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Mark,
>
>
>
> I've never seen them before. The caption says: "These are two Planet of
> the Apes helium heads that I recent bought. They are massive and quite
> cool. Each was hand painted by a factory worker at the Tilly Balloon Co.
> in the early 70s."
>
> Does anyone know what a helium head is?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "friend_of_ziras" <fscstu@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Apes Guys and Gals,
> >
> > I was wondering if I could lean on your collective powers to see if
> any one might have some information on this strange Apes item that I
> came across. I know the board doesn't seem to go into as much with
> merchandising and pricing talk, but I am sure many of you have personal
> collections of merchandising items of the Apes nature and have been
> collecting for years.
> >
> > I have attached a link below and I would love to know if you have
> every seen one before (in all your years of collecting), or to know more
> about it than I have already found out.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/friendofziras/5704499285/in/photostream
> >
>

**** I thought the ending was Zaius doing tricks, including uttering out a
word (his name I think?)... ***


In a message dated 5/10/2011 11:30:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> Wasn't this the ending of Boulle's PLANET OF THE MEN script? Zaius is
> reduced to blowing up balloons for kids at a circus?
>
>

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Reportedly James Franco will direct his first feature this summer (as well as star as the Wizard of Oz in an expensive movie; that's what I call a workaholic). He's even cast Val Lauren as Sal Mineo. The movie will be called "Sal". Franco of course is the star of the next "Apes" picture "Rise of the..." and Mineo played Milo in "Escape from the...".

http://collider.com/james-franco-val-lauren-sal-mineo/90093/

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I'm rather pay to hear what really

happened with Paula Christ, but I

suppose we'll never hear that one.

 

 

In a message dated 4/24/2011 2:07:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, readingrob@... writes:

Hi all, I'm not sure if any of you are aware of the nighmare time Bill Blake has been through. If you want to know more or even offer help then go to

http://www.gofundme.com/BillBlakeSPFX

Rob R

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Rory, have you been talking to my wife? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Isn't it time we acknowledged that Rise is clearly intended as a tribute to episode 12 of the greatest TV Series ever? I, mean, James Franco actually says it early in the trailer and that's clearly powdered quinine that Caesar releases later in the trailer.It's all so obvious when you see it.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> Are you Stretch Armstrong? Cause that's one hell of a stretch.
>
> -- Rory
>

I had contact with Bill Blake two years ago while conducting research and found him to be unpleasant, rude and paranoid. I was friendly and professional toward him, but he was verbally abusive toward me, raving on and on about past perceived wrongs that had nothing to do with me. At that point, I decided I was through with caring about what happened to him. As a fan of his work, I was very disappointed by the experience, and still don't understand what precipitated it, but it was clear that he has issues. I also reached out to Paula Crist and found her to be more civil but equally unapproachable. Did you know she legally changed her name to include a Klingon first name? "Qeldas Pickett." Google her name, and you'll find some interesting photos.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
> I'm rather pay to hear what really
> happened with Paula Christ, but I
> suppose we'll never hear that one.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/24/2011 2:07:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> readingrob@... writes:
>
> Hi all, I'm not sure if any of you are aware of the nighmare time Bill
> Blake has been through. If you want to know more or even offer help then go to
>
> http://www.gofundme.com/BillBlakeSPFX
>
> Rob R
>

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you. :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
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> I had contact with Bill Blake two years ago while conducting research and found him to be unpleasant, rude and paranoid.

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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 8:42 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

I'm not surprised by this story at all, and I've heard that Blake and Crist have had battles in the past which each accusing the other of having stolen memorabilia from one another. These are people who have made their choices in life (as we all do), and have to live with the consequences. Crist sounds like a real flake, but that's what some people in La La Land are like. Krueger hangs (or has hung) with these people --- SO, WATCH OUT FOR KRUEGER!!!!!

-- Rory

Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep an eye on Krueger. It's not hard, he's so sexy.



From: Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:42 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Bill Blake


I'm not surprised by this story at all, and I've heard that Blake and Crist have had battles in the past which each accusing the other of having stolen memorabilia from one another. These are people who have made their choices in life (as we all do), and have to live with the consequences. Crist sounds like a real flake, but that's what some people in La La Land are like. Krueger hangs (or has hung) with these people --- SO, WATCH OUT FOR KRUEGER!!!!!

-- Rory

Sal Mineo was on "Hawaii 5-0"? The actor who's going to play him will be on the NEW "Hawaii 5-0". The more things change, the more they stay the same.



From: Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:33 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: James Franco's Sal Mineo film a go?

I wish they'd let this project go, but whatever. After reading Mineo's biography (that this movie is based on) I didn't find him all that interesting, and actually kind of pathetic. I recently watched a first season DVD of some episodes of "Hawaii Five-0" and specifically one that Mineo did called "Tiger By The Tail" that was shot in August 1968, and I feel very sad looking at him. There was one scene in the episode where Mineo is threatened with a switchblade to his throat, and it was just creepy to watch. Anyway, as I watched the episode (and all the others from '68) I just can't help wondering "where was PLANET playing in Honolulu?"


-- Rory

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Yeah, there's a lot of back stabbing in that town.

Front stabbing too.  But that's no reason to be

abusive to a fan.  He was one too once, or he'd

never have gotten into POTA in the first place.

 

 

In a message dated 5/11/2011 8:26:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you. :-)

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I got my copy yesterday and, after reading all the comments was almost too scared to open it!

But open it I did and it's not as bad as I'd been led to believe. It's not great - it didn't knock my socks off and took me less than 5 minutes from cover to cover but... it was okay.

There do seem to be some very odd choices that have been made. I think the art is pretty dazzling. Characters and environments live, breathe and leap off the page. In any other title we would praise it but this is APES and it's just not what we are used to. I have no problems with artistic license - being a slave to what we know can stifle creativity but the costumes (particularly the females) are just silly - Morton Haack's timeless designs always looked lived-in and perfectly married to the task at hand and is one of the reasons we so easily buy into that world. The designs in the comic are one of the reasons we don't.

The plot felt like a mix of the first chapter of Marvels 'Terror' and 'Future History Chronicles' and even though we're told it follows classic APES continuity it FELT more like it was set in Burton's universe.

There's really not enough in this first issue to hook or convince me. I felt it was like a promotional, freebie, give-away (issue 0) and had it been it would have been a more successful (and sought after) product.

So overall, indifference. Until the story gets in gear I'm reserving judgement. If a second issue never materializes I won't lose any sleep but for now I'll continue to buy on an issue-by-issue basis until it gives me good reason not to.

Dave

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Speaking of the late James Bacon, there is something I noted recently:

• James Whitmore
• James Daly
• James Franciscus
• James Gregory
• James Sikking
• James Naughton
• James Bacon

So with so many people named James associated with POTA over the years, is it a good omen that the star of Rise in James Franco?

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Bill is a nice guy, he's just been having a tough time of it and he lets his problems get the better of him. He did a lot of good for Ape fans back in the day.



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Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:07 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Bill Blake





Yeah, there's a lot of back stabbing in that town.
Front stabbing too. But that's no reason to be
abusive to a fan. He was one too once, or he'd
never have gotten into POTA in the first place.

Here's pretty much the latest image from "Rise of the POTA", Caesar messing with ALZ112. Hey! Don't touch that!
Definitely green eyes, like the chimp color in the originals.

http://www.thehdroom.com/images/news/8971a.jpg

.html Nicely put Jeff. Sympathy tends to open old wounds, empathy is what I feel Bill needs. He needs to be understood at a very low point in his life. People  seem to have painted both him and Paula as volatile and unstable characters, but in reality both have given a lot of time and effort to Planet of the Apes over the years. Fot that we should be thankful.

Rob

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From: veetus@...
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:43:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Bill Blake

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