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| Group: pota |
Message: 73554 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73555 |
From: Dario |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The DAWN Patrol: 9/14/14 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73556 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73557 |
From: johnmermigas |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73558 |
From: valwp |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73559 |
From: THE FARROW |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73560 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73561 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73562 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73563 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73564 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73565 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73566 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: 2016? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73567 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN tops in UK |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73568 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: 2016? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73569 |
From: oscarduggan |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Online Poll: Tell us your favourite Planet of the Apes |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73570 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73571 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73572 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73573 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73574 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73575 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73576 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73577 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73578 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73579 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Going Ape! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73580 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Roddy McDowall was born on this day in 1928, 9/17/2014, 12:00 am |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73581 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: dawn signage |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73582 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: test |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73583 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73584 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73585 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: OT: Lawgiver's grandson lands Heston role |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73586 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: happy birthday roddy mcdowall |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73587 |
From: Pat Vaisvil |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73588 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73589 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Lawgiver's grandson lands Heston role |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73590 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" 2015 Wall Calendar |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73591 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Gorilla Soldier two pack |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73592 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Going Ape! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73593 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: POTA, the final frontier |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73594 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73595 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: Paul William's Birthday, Friday, 19 September 2014 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73596 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/19/2014 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73597 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73598 |
From: scottgeorge40 |
Date: 9/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73599 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73600 |
From: scottgeorge40 |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73601 |
From: James |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73602 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" $till climbing the mountain |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73603 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: Asa Maynor's Birthday, Monday, 22 September 2014 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73604 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73605 |
From: johnmermigas |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Going Ape! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73606 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73607 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: post-modern POTA doc? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73608 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: post-modern POTA doc? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73609 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: post-modern POTA doc? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73610 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: james whitmore and kim hunter photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73611 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" up to $110 million in China |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73612 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: "War For the Planet of the Apes"? |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73613 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: james whitmore and kim hunter photo [1 Attachment] |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73614 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "War For the Planet of the Apes"? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73615 |
From: James |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73616 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Ursus looks awesome |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73617 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" at $478 million in China?! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73618 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73619 |
From: Charles W. |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73620 |
From: mikem3978 |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: NECA Ursus looks awesome |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73621 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" wasn't built in a day |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73622 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73623 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73624 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: U.S. fans can still get head |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73625 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: planet ad new york post |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73626 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales mark |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73627 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: U.S. fans can still get head |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73628 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: U.S. fans can still get head |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73629 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73630 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73631 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73632 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73633 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73634 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physicis |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73635 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73636 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73637 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73638 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73639 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968)? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73640 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Dawn still showing in the USA? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73641 |
From: thirdjaw12 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73642 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73643 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73644 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73645 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73646 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73647 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's Birthday, Saturday, 27 September 2014 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73648 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73649 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: horses for courses |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73650 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: horses for courses |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 73651 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: horses for courses |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73652 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: William Windom was born on this day in 1923, Sunday, 28 September 20 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73653 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/28/2014 |
| Subject: The "Dawn" Patrol: $694 million |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73554 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
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I think that because it's incontestably true. BENEATH spoils PLANET, even its trailer!
I just think you shouldn't take these new movies too seriously. I think they can be looked at as prequels to PLANET, but just like the old sequels, I think you're free to take or leave them. Personally, I don't like where BENEATH went, not one bit of it, and I hate thinking that the great characters and setting from PLANET just goes poof in BENEATH. It stinks. Somewhere in the universe there must be something better than that fate.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA
I need to take it less seriously? LOL... That statement's pretty funny coming from somebody who hates BENEATH because it "tarnishes" the original film...
In a message dated 9/14/2014 7:12:23 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
You need to take it less seriously. As I've said, I'd rather have something from the original anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 5:08 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA
Agreed, classic APES is
what it's all about... They can talk about "the world of the '68 original" all they want, but I think anyone who really feels they're going to end up with an Astronaut Taylor being hunted in a cornfield in the year 3978 needs to seriously rethink that... I mean they keep harping on about the Caesar character and this whole "Caesar dynasty" thing and how he's going to be so important to apes down the line-Tell me, where in PLANET is there any emphasis on some ape from the past named Caesar? I can tell you where: Nowhere... Their most important ape is The Lawgiver, who is an orangutan, not a chimp! Now there will probably be somebody who's going to come along and say The Lawgiver was originally a chimp and that some ape history revisionist changed it to an orangutan, which of course is BS but I can see it happening... Add to that there' s no way the crew that might land in a future film could be the same crew that we see in PLANET: They me
ssed that whole thing up by doing the brain-dead thing of using the names of Taylor's crew as "names" in RISE... And, as successful as these new films might be, I can't see them going and going and going until they reach a future of "2,000 years from now"... If they do plan on getting that far, they're going to have to make a drastic change from the Caesar character to something else which is highly unlikely since franchises usually stay with established characters or some variation of them... I mean with the original films, they carried Cornelius and Zira over from sequel to sequel, and while not directly them, they established a son in film three who carried on to the final two... Do you see the possibilty of anything like that happening with the new films with the direction they're going so far? I don't: I just see that they're going to continually use Caesar as their p rotagonist which is fine, but they'll only be able to use him for
so long, then maybe a son and grandso
n or something along those lines... But if they're really expecting people to believe that their new films are going to lead to PLANET '68 they're going to have to shift gears really quick and there will be HUGE gaps in continuity... People think the original films lacked true continuity: These new films will be as bad, if not worse at the rate it seems they'll be going unless the new rebooted franchise goes on for about fifty films or more with multigenerational jumps in each trilogy (or however they'd decide to break them up)... I think that as far as "leading to PLANET '68" the closest they'll get to that might be mute humans and clothed, articulate, civilized apes... As far as The Forbidden Zone, The Lawgiver, the ape's city as seen in PLANET and even being in the same region as in the original film, I (myself) just do not realistically see it happening, and they should n't have to: These new films are just that, a new take on the APES
name/franchise... To make this post
tie in with the original topic, I'll say it again: Being that these new films are their own thing, it's ridiculous to have a figure from the original series as the token/bonus on a DVD for the new franchise... An armed, clothed, evolved Gorilla is not what's seen in DAWN...
People should just take these new films as they are and like them (or not like them) based solely on their own merit(s)...I can't see watching them and supporting them just in the hopes that they might get to something vaguely resembling the original film...
In a message dated 9/13/2014 8:42:12 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
If they did, I wouldn't bother with it. Classic APES is what it's all about. That's why the makers of the new movies keep talking about getting "to the world of the '68 original." They know what matters.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73555 |
From: Dario |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The DAWN Patrol: 9/14/14 |
.html.html Guardians is a great FUN movie. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it. And just the right amount of tugging at emotional heart strings to make it better than the usual superhero fanfare. I recommend seeing it.
Dario On Sep 14, 2014, at 4:49 PM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Has anyone here seen GUARDIANS? I'm not into Marvel stuff, but I'll watch it eventually. Haven't been to the movies in weeks now. All in all, I'd say it was a lackluster summer.
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG < PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 3:49 pm
Subject: [pota] The DAWN Patrol: 9/14/14
"Dawn of the POTA" was #1 in it's 3rd week
in China, bringing it's total there at $95 million. After it's incredible
opening weekend ($47 million) it slipped fast, getting $15 million it's second
weekend and $7.6 million this weekend. It's worldwide total now stands at $668.6
million.
1. Transformers 4 - $1 billion
2. Maleficent - $754 million
3. X-Men: Daze - $746 m.
4. Cap 2 - $714 m.
5. Spidey 2 - $708 m.
6. Dawn - $669 m.
7. Guardians of the Galaxy - $611 m.
8. Dragon 2 - $609 m.
"Dawn" hits it's last stop, Japan, next weekend
("Rise" made $30 million there). I think "Dawn" will reach the 700 (million)
Club of the big boys, but what do you think? Could it pass Spidey? Cap
2?
Also a tip of the banana to "Guardians of the
Galaxy", which became the first movie to pass $300 million domestic this year.
It also has an animal experiment turned gun-toting badass.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73556 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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I predict Fox wants a movie for the 50th
anniversary in 2018 and that won't work if they release in 2017. They'll do the
announced one in 2016 that will end the Caesar trilogy (Man's final downfall)
and then the 2018 one will be set farther along with a similar setup to the
original 1968 film (though maybe with humans still talking). That way we have a
1968ish movie for the 50th anniversary. Maybe bring in those Icarus
as-tro-nauts.
I think Reeves is enough of a fan that he'll
tough it out, do those two (making 2, 3 and 4 his own personal trilogy) and
exit. There's something cool about getting to do the 50th anniversary
movie.
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide
It might hit $700
million by next Sunday with Japan opening next weekend.
I just hope Fox makes an even better movie with the next installment.
I'm glad it's making a lot of money, but it's only important in that it
guarantees another APES picture.
Now, I'm going to drive Krueger crazy (though he's already there) with
another one of my gut feelings and "predictions"....
The July 2016 release date for the next APES film won't happen. It'll
be either later that year or summer 2017. I also won't be surprised if
Matt Reeves gets the boot.
-----Original
Message----- From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota]
<pota@yahoogroups.com> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG
<PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 3:49 pm Subject:
[pota] DAWN at $668 million worldwide
It might hit $700 million by next Sunday with
Japan opening next weekend.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73557 |
From: johnmermigas |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
.htmlYes its me again and I dont want to start with a contentious statement. Give Beneath a chance and lighten up with the sequel bashing.
Their is no dought that "Planet " is great but the sequels, atleast to us kids in suburban New York(Long Island), is what made the Apes films legendary. Everyone I know who lived in those days has an Apes film they like best and most of the time in my film going experience as a young teenager -it was'nt Planet! My wonderfull Mom had liked Escape the best. My Father who started me with the Apes liked Conquest the best. Like me he liked the music and the dialouge and the obvious changed ending "Birth of the Planet of the Apes" line belted out by Roddy. I knew one day we would get the original "Conquest" or atleast most of it one day-and we did! The prolouge was filmed and parts of it were canablized for the Caesar running over the Century City bridge scene. The cop who was walking slowely with the riot helmut was Tom Steele who with Dave Sharpe ( also in Conquest)was one of the famous "The Cousins"
stuntmen who ofcourse were not related. A lot of cool history with Conquest. Boy did I go off track with this reply, sorry. We, like most people of the time, disregared the piss poor makeup in the multitudes of Apes in "Beneath". People did not care as much if sometimes the effects were poor because the story is the thing. "Beneath" is the horror entry in the Apes quintet of films. "Escape" the love story and "Conquest" the Black exploatation entry and so on and like children in a family each sequel has its merits. Its sad to use the common BS of each sequel geting worse and worse and so on." Planet" is great like I said but it can be rather boring if your not in a good frame of mind especially for the very young Apes fan. I have this problem like a multitude of film fans with "2001 A Space Odyssey".
Anyway, take care all, I did not write this to start an argument. John M. |
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Message: 73558 |
From: valwp |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
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.html It is contestable, Rory. What's with you and absolutes? Beneath is a separate entity, regardless if it's a follow-up - two different productions entirely. There's no "tarnishing."
Kass <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73559 |
From: THE FARROW |
Date: 9/14/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
.html.html Beneath was great and Ursus is one of the best Apes characters ever along with Cornelius and Caesar.
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:41 PM, "johnmermigas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Yes its me again and I dont want to start with a contentious statement. Give Beneath a chance and lighten up with the sequel bashing. Their is no dought that "Planet " is great but the sequels, atleast to us kids in suburban New York(Long Island), is what made the Apes films legendary. Everyone I know who lived in those days has an Apes film they like best and most of the time in my film going experience as a young teenager -it was'nt Planet! My wonderfull Mom had liked Escape the best. My Father who started me with the Apes liked Conquest the best. Like me he liked the music and the dialouge and the obvious changed ending "Birth of the Planet of the Apes" line belted out by Roddy. I knew one day we would get the original "Conquest" or atleast most of it one day-and we did! The prolouge was filmed and parts of it were canablized for the Caesar running over the Century City bridge scene. The cop who was
walking slowely with the riot helmut was Tom Steele who with Dave Sharpe ( also in Conquest)was one of the famous "The Cousins" stuntmen who ofcourse were not related. A lot of cool history with Conquest. Boy did I go off track with this reply, sorry. We, like most people of the time, disregared the piss poor makeup in the multitudes of Apes in "Beneath". People did not care as much if sometimes the effects were poor because the story is the thing. "Beneath" is the horror entry in the Apes quintet of films. "Escape" the love story and "Conquest" the Black exploatation entry and so on and like children in a family each sequel has its merits.
Its sad to use the common BS of each sequel geting worse and worse and so on." Planet" is great like I said but it can be rather boring if your not in a good frame of mind especially for the very young Apes fan. I have this problem like a multitude
of film fans with "2001 A Space Odyssey". Anyway, take care all, I did not write this to start an argument. John M.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73560 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
.htmlJapan's BO for Rise was $30M so it's $700M home run for Dawn for sure.
Al |
From:
'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
To:
<pota@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:
Re: [pota] Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide
Sent:
Sun, Sep 14, 2014 10:47:10 PM
I predict Fox wants a movie for the 50th
anniversary in 2018 and that won't work if they release in 2017. They'll do the
announced one in 2016 that will end the Caesar trilogy (Man's final downfall)
and then the 2018 one will be set farther along with a similar setup to the
original 1968 film (though maybe with humans still talking). That way we have a
1968ish movie for the 50th anniversary. Maybe bring in those Icarus
as-tro-nauts.
I think Reeves is enough of a fan that he'll
tough it out, do those two (making 2, 3 and 4 his own personal trilogy) and
exit. There's something cool about getting to do the 50th anniversary
movie.
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide
It might hit $700
million by next Sunday with Japan opening next weekend.
I just hope Fox makes an even better movie with the next installment.
I'm glad it's making a lot of money, but it's only important in that it
guarantees another APES picture.
Now, I'm going to drive Krueger crazy (though he's already there) with
another one of my gut feelings and "predictions"....
The July 2016 release date for the next APES film won't happen. It'll
be either later that year or summer 2017. I also won't be surprised if
Matt Reeves gets the boot.
-----Original
Message----- From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota]
<pota@yahoogroups.com> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG
<PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 3:49 pm Subject:
[pota] DAWN at $668 million worldwide
It might hit $700 million by next Sunday with
Japan opening next weekend.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73561 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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I predict Fox wants a movie for the 50th
anniversary in 2018 and that won't work if they release in 2017. They'll do the
announced one in 2016 that will end the Caesar trilogy (Man's final downfall)
and then the 2018 one will be set farther along with a similar setup to the
original 1968 film (though maybe with humans still talking). That way we have a
1968ish movie for the 50th anniversary. Maybe bring in those Icarus
as-tro-nauts.
I think Reeves is enough of a fan that he'll
tough it out, do those two (making 2, 3 and 4 his own personal trilogy) and
exit. There's something cool about getting to do the 50th anniversary
movie.
Except for major culturally significant movies, like THE WIZARD OF OZ or THE GODFATHER, I don't see the studios make much of anniversaries unless it's to try and sell some DVDs. I think there's a danger in doing too many POTA movies too fast. I also don't see, as much as he professes to loving them, Matt Reeves wanting to be come Mr. POTA. He'll do the sequel to DAWN, unless things go south with studio demands, then he run away from it as fast as possible. If he has any respect for his career, he doesn't want to get pigeon holed. I've read that his "dream project" is a remake of THE INVISIBLE WOMAN.... where that's coming from, I don't know, but that's what I've read.
As to a "1968ish movie".... The next one will be set immediately after the events of DAWN, still nearly two thousand years before the "world of the '68 original." How much of a leap are you talking about happening after the next movie? Because I don't think you get anywhere near the world of the '68 original for at least another thousand years. Humans were mute animals in the original film. Humans still talking and being anything other than animals is NOT the world of the original. I don't see why anyone with intelligence would want to jump the gun like that and go directly to the original concept, skipping hundreds of years of possible and unfamiliar stories just to get to the classic story that everyone is so familiar with. You don't remake the original story -- it's already been told, told very well and
is regarded as a classic. They tried playing with that in 2001 and the result was a disaster.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73562 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
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It is contestable, Rory. What's with you and absolutes? Beneath is a separate entity, regardless if it's a follow-up - two different productions entirely. There's no "tarnishing."
Kass
I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone say that PLANET and BENEATH are like one movie, Part One and Part Two. I know they're separate entities, I just wish everyone else would think that.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73563 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA |
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I was living on Long Island when I saw PLANET in 1968 and even if there was only that movie it would still be legendary with me. I also saw BENEATH when I was living on Long Island, and even though I was only eleven I recognized BENEATH as inferior to PLANET and it quickly came to bore me. I don't know what it is about me that's different from everyone else here, but PLANET never bores me. It's got the best dialogue, direction, acting, story structure, score, and intriguing ideas. As far as I can see, it's the sequels that are boring. That goes for RISE and DAWN too. My biggest complaint with them is that they're unsatisfying. Why? Because they're not as full of as many ideas, allegory, targets of satire, as the original concept.
-----Original Message-----
From: johnmermigas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 14, 2014 8:41 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: TARGET exclusive Gorilla Soldier by NECA
Yes its me again and I dont want to start with a contentious statement. Give Beneath a chance and lighten up with the sequel bashing.
Their is no dought that "Planet " is great but the sequels, atleast to us kids in suburban New York(Long Island), is what made the Apes films legendary. Everyone I know who lived in those days has an Apes film they like best and most of the time in my film going experience as a young teenager -it was'nt Planet! My wonderfull Mom had liked Escape the best. My Father who started me with the Apes liked Conquest the best. Like me he liked the music and the dialouge and the obvious changed ending "Birth of the Planet of the Apes" line belted out by Roddy. I knew one day we would get the original "Conquest" or atleast most of it one day-and we did! The prolouge was filmed and parts of it were canablized for the Caesar running over the Century City bridge scene. The cop who was wa
lking slowely with the riot helmut was Tom Steele who with Dave Sharpe ( also in Conquest)was one of the famous "The Cousins" stuntmen who ofcourse were not related. A lot of cool history with Conquest. Boy did I go off track with this reply, sorry.
We, like most people of the time, disregared the piss poor makeup in the multitudes of Apes in "Beneath". People did not care as much if sometimes the effects were poor because the story is the thing. "Beneath" is the horror entry in the Apes quintet of films. "Escape" the love story and "Conquest" the Black exploatation entry and so on and like children in a family each sequel has its merits.
Its sad to use the common BS of each sequel geting worse and worse and so on." Planet" is great like I said but it can be rather boring if your not in a good frame of mind especially for the very young Apes fan.
I have this problem like a multitude of film fans with "2001 A Space Odyssey".
Anyway, take care all, I did not write this to start an argument. John M.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73564 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
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Dawn's last stop on it's world tour is Japan this
week. So what's the temperature of the box office there? Good for Disney, not so
good for action movies:
"Frozen" - $249 m.
"Maleficent" - $63 m.
Spidey 2 - $30 m.
"Godzilla" - $29.9 m.
"Transformers 4" - $26 m.
"Hobbit 2" - $13 m.
"X-Men: Daze" - $9 m.
Cap 2 - $6 m.
"Rise" did $30 million, suggesting they have an
ape-tite, but judging from this I guess we can't expect more. Unless Fox can CG
in some penguins, pronto! <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73565 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version? |
.htmlHaristas mentions that they tried re-making the 2001 classic and it was a disaster. Is he referring to 2010? I enjoyed both, and found them quite different.
I am aware that the remake of Psycho bombed, but it was re-made to just about every last detail, leaving viewers with nothing new to excite them. There is nevertheless a prequel on television nowadays, if it hasn't already been canceled.
I can see a revisting of the 1968 theme, with the Icarus astronauts returning to some serious adventures. Can you imagine how much more breathtaking they can be now that motion capture technology exists? The apes are much more agile now. Make-up related delays no longer exist, either, so actors' enthusiasm can remain less stifled. Hopefully the franchise can wind down with dignity instead of tedium.
Will the 2016 installment be called Fight for the Planet of the Apes, then? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73566 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: 2016? |
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I found this. Rorster is right,
Reeves wants to make "Invisible Woman" right after Apes 3, which would
definitely rule out a 50th anniversary Apes movie by him. I guess it depends how
he feels in 2016.
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: 2016?
The "leap" I'm talking about is merely the apes
being dominant over the humans. After 3 movies people are going to get restless
if it's still "can humans and apes live together in peace?" It will be time for
a true POTA movie. It doesn't have to be 1,000 years later. There can still be
small human victories and reversals later. But for the 50th anniversary, a true
POTA movie, please.
That "Invisible Woman" movie is a film noir, from
what I read, not a Universal monster remake. But Ralph Fiennes did an "Invisible
Woman" movie last year so Reeves will have to wait on it. If Reeves does 3
successful Ape pictures he'll have enough dough and cred to do whatever movies
he wants. Reeves directed his first movie in 1996 and "Dawn" is only his 4rth.
He's a good director but he hasn't had luck getting movies made. He might be
happy to crank them out for a while. Two year turnarounds is the new M. O. for
franchises. Fox wants another "X-Men" in 2016 (from the same director), there
will be a new Capt. America (same directors) and reportedly a new
"Guardians" that year. Reeves did "Dawn" from scratch in less than 2
years.
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:11 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide
I predict Fox wants a movie for the 50th anniversary
in 2018 and that won't work if they release in 2017. They'll do the announced
one in 2016 that will end the Caesar trilogy (Man's final downfall) and then
the 2018 one will be set farther along with a similar setup to the original
1968 film (though maybe with humans still talking). That way we have a 1968ish
movie for the 50th anniversary. Maybe bring in those Icarus
as-tro-nauts.
I think Reeves is enough of a fan that he'll
tough it out, do those two (making 2, 3 and 4 his own personal
trilogy) and exit. There's something cool about getting to do the
50th anniversary movie.
Except for
major culturally significant movies, like THE WIZARD OF OZ or THE GODFATHER, I
don't see the studios make much of anniversaries unless it's to try and sell
some DVDs. I think there's a danger in doing too many POTA movies too
fast. I also don't see, as much as he professes to loving them, Matt
Reeves wanting to be come Mr. POTA. He'll do the sequel to DAWN, unless
things go south with studio demands, then he run away from it as fast as
possible. If he has any respect for his career, he doesn't want to
get pigeon holed. I've read that his "dream project" is a remake of THE
INVISIBLE WOMAN.... where that's coming from, I don't know, but that's what I've
read.
As to a
"1968ish movie".... The next one will be set immediately after the events of
DAWN, still nearly two thousand years before the "world of the '68
original." How much of a leap are you talking about happening after the
next movie? Because I don't think you get anywhere near the world of the
'68 original for at least another thousand years. Humans were mute animals
in the original film. Humans still talking and being anything other than
animals is NOT the world of the original. I don't see why anyone with
intelligence would want to jump the gun like that and go directly to the
original concept, skipping hundreds of years of possible and
unfamiliar stories just to get to the classic story that everyone is so
familiar with. You don't remake the original story -- it's already been
told, told very well and is regarded as a classic. They tried playing with
that in 2001 and the result was a disaster.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73567 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN tops in UK |
.htmlStruggle, rights and liberation are increasingly popular themes in the U.K. now, so Dawn's success is a refreshing but intuitive surprise. Scotland will likely vote to secede this Thursday (Sept. 18th):
If Caesar fans the flames, more power to him! :-)
The question remains though...when can Texas finally be liberated from monopolistic NASA, so that our private space initiatives can finally bring us closer to visiting Betelgeuse & Vellatrix, etc.? :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73568 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: 2016? |
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The "leap" I'm talking about is merely the apes
being dominant over the humans. After 3 movies people are going to get restless
if it's still "can humans and apes live together in peace?" It will be time for
a true POTA movie. It doesn't have to be 1,000 years later. There can still be
small human victories and reversals later. But for the 50th anniversary, a true
POTA movie, please.
That "Invisible Woman" movie is a film noir, from
what I read, not a Universal monster remake. But Ralph Fiennes did an "Invisible
Woman" movie last year so Reeves will have to wait on it. If Reeves does 3
successful Ape pictures he'll have enough dough and cred to do whatever movies
he wants. Reeves directed his first movie in 1996 and "Dawn" is only his 4rth.
He's a good director but he hasn't had luck getting movies made. He might be
happy to crank them out for a while. Two year turnarounds is the new M. O. for
franchises. Fox wants another "X-Men" in 2016 (from the same director), there
will be a new Capt. America (same directors) and reportedly a new
"Guardians" that year. Reeves did "Dawn" from scratch in less than 2
years.
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:11 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide
I predict Fox wants a movie for the 50th anniversary
in 2018 and that won't work if they release in 2017. They'll do the announced
one in 2016 that will end the Caesar trilogy (Man's final downfall) and then
the 2018 one will be set farther along with a similar setup to the original
1968 film (though maybe with humans still talking). That way we have a 1968ish
movie for the 50th anniversary. Maybe bring in those Icarus
as-tro-nauts.
I think Reeves is enough of a fan that he'll
tough it out, do those two (making 2, 3 and 4 his own personal
trilogy) and exit. There's something cool about getting to do the
50th anniversary movie.
Except for
major culturally significant movies, like THE WIZARD OF OZ or THE GODFATHER, I
don't see the studios make much of anniversaries unless it's to try and sell
some DVDs. I think there's a danger in doing too many POTA movies too
fast. I also don't see, as much as he professes to loving them, Matt
Reeves wanting to be come Mr. POTA. He'll do the sequel to DAWN, unless
things go south with studio demands, then he run away from it as fast as
possible. If he has any respect for his career, he doesn't want to
get pigeon holed. I've read that his "dream project" is a remake of THE
INVISIBLE WOMAN.... where that's coming from, I don't know, but that's what I've
read.
As to a
"1968ish movie".... The next one will be set immediately after the events of
DAWN, still nearly two thousand years before the "world of the '68
original." How much of a leap are you talking about happening after the
next movie? Because I don't think you get anywhere near the world of the
'68 original for at least another thousand years. Humans were mute animals
in the original film. Humans still talking and being anything other than
animals is NOT the world of the original. I don't see why anyone with
intelligence would want to jump the gun like that and go directly to the
original concept, skipping hundreds of years of possible and
unfamiliar stories just to get to the classic story that everyone is so
familiar with. You don't remake the original story -- it's already been
told, told very well and is regarded as a classic. They tried playing with
that in 2001 and the result was a disaster.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73569 |
From: oscarduggan |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Online Poll: Tell us your favourite Planet of the Apes |
.htmlDear Planet of the Apes fans,
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That's all you have to do: vote in our online poll before midnight, 31 October and follow the instructions given. Your input will provide invaluable information in the bid to discover the best and worst from the Planet of the Apes saga over the years.
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Results of this poll, which are bound to intrigue Planet of the Apes fans everywhere, will be announced and made public before December, 2014. For more information, please visit our website.
Thank you for reading this message. We look forward to hearing from you all.
Sincerely,
Planets of the Apes website www.PlanetsoftheApes.com |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73570 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds |
.htmlAt the box office, most sequels, at least as of the early 1990's, brought in (at best) 2/3's of the original's revenues. For example, Batman Returns. Terminator 2 was a refreshing counter-example, but production budgets were wildly greater for the sequel too.
Anyhow Dawn has done better than its predecessor, and even beat the Tim Burton version overseas. It's not clear how well the 1968 version did overseas, since intellectual property protections weren't as strong in some ways as they are now. Either way, we seem to have much to be thankful for.
What will the final installment of the trilogy be called? Fight for the Planet of the Apes? Hopefully it will keep the momentum going and end the franchise's reign with a bang, not a wimper.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73571 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version? |
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Not 2001, but the 2001 "reimaging" of POTA.
If they eventually get the apes up to the civilization seen in the '68 movie, I'd want to see the apes pretty much recreated as they were in that movie. Yeah, more anatomically correct, with less human like bodies, but more human than they are in RISE and DAWN. I think they should evolve the apes toward a more human direction, the gorillas becoming smaller and the adult male orangs loosing their cheek pads. They should also start to act more human, more civilized. I don't want to see clothed apes in an Ape City setting behaving like hooting savages.
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014 12:32 pm
Subject: [pota] Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version?
Haristas mentions that they tried re-making the 2001 classic and it was a disaster. Is he referring to 2010? I enjoyed both, and found them quite different.
I am aware that the remake of Psycho bombed, but it was re-made to just about every last detail, leaving viewers with nothing new to excite them. There is nevertheless a prequel on television nowadays, if it hasn't already been canceled.
I can see a revisting of the 1968 theme, with the Icarus astronauts returning to some serious adventures. Can you imagine how much more breathtaking they can be now that motion capture technology exists? The apes are much more agile now. Make-up related delays no longer exist, either, so actors' enthusiasm can remain less stifled. Hopefully the franchise can wind down with dignity instead of tedium.
Will the 2016 installment be called Fig
ht for the Planet of the Apes, then?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73572 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds |
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What will the final installment of the trilogy be called?
It's not certain that there's only going to be a trilogy. A trilogy for Caesar most probably, and hopefully the next one will end the naked apes thing, which I'm tired of looking at.
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014 12:48 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds
At the box office, most sequels, at least as of the early 1990's, brought in (at best) 2/3's of the original's revenues. For example, Batman Returns. Terminator 2 was a refreshing counter-example, but production budgets were wildly greater for the sequel too.
Anyhow Dawn has done better than its predecessor, and even beat the Tim Burton version overseas. It's not clear how well the 1968 version did overseas, since intellectual property protections weren't as strong in some ways as they are now. Either way, we seem to have much to be thankful for.
What will the final installment of the trilogy be called? Fight for the Planet of the Apes? Hopefully it will keep the momentum going and end the franchise's reign with a bang, not a wimper.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73573 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
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The Japanese love animated movies. Because DAWN is kind of a downer, I don't expect much more than $40 Mill.
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014 12:27 pm
Subject: [pota] The Bad News Apes Go To Japan
Dawn's last stop on it's world tour is Japan this
week. So what's the temperature of the box office there? Good for Disney, not so
good for action movies:
"Frozen" - $249 m.
"Maleficent" - $63 m.
Spidey 2 - $30 m.
"Godzilla" - $29.9 m.
"Transformers 4" - $26 m.
"Hobbit 2" - $13 m.
"X-Men: Daze" - $9 m.
Cap 2 - $6 m.
"Rise" did $30 million, suggesting they have an
ape-tite, but judging from this I guess we can't expect more. Unless Fox can CG
in some penguins, pronto!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73574 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds |
.htmlI agree. The whole native indian evolution thing can be interesting but it can also get old fast.
Al |
From:
Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
To:
<pota@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:
[pota] Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds
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What will the final installment of the trilogy be called?
It's not certain that there's only going to be a trilogy. A trilogy for Caesar most probably, and hopefully the next one will end the naked apes thing, which I'm tired of looking at.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014 12:48 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: $ummer 2014: licking the wounds
At the box office, most sequels, at least as of the early 1990's, brought in (at best) 2/3's of the original's revenues. For example, Batman Returns. Terminator 2 was a refreshing counter-example, but production budgets were wildly greater for the sequel too.
Anyhow Dawn has done better than its predecessor, and even beat the Tim Burton version overseas. It's not clear how well the 1968 version did overseas, since intellectual property protections weren't as strong in some ways as they are now. Either way, we seem to have much to be thankful for.
What will the final installment of the trilogy be called? Fight for the Planet of the Apes? Hopefully it will keep the momentum going and end the franchise's reign with a bang, not a wimper.
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Message: 73575 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/15/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version? |
.htmlOr in laymen terms, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Classic apes are the best evolved apes.
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Not 2001, but the 2001 "reimaging" of POTA.
If they eventually get the apes up to the civilization seen in the '68 movie, I'd want to see the apes pretty much recreated as they were in that movie. Yeah, more anatomically correct, with less human like bodies, but more human than they are in RISE and DAWN. I think they should evolve the apes toward a more human direction, the gorillas becoming smaller and the adult male orangs loosing their cheek pads. They should also start to act more human, more civilized. I don't want to see clothed apes in an Ape City setting behaving like hooting savages.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 15, 2014 12:32 pm
Subject: [pota] Remaking / revisiting the 1968 version?
Haristas mentions that they tried re-making the 2001 classic and it was a disaster. Is he referring to 2010? I enjoyed both, and found them quite different.
I am aware that the remake of Psycho bombed, but it was re-made to just about every last detail, leaving viewers with nothing new to excite them. There is nevertheless a prequel on television nowadays, if it hasn't already been canceled.
I can see a revisting of the 1968 theme, with the Icarus astronauts returning to some serious adventures. Can you imagine how much more breathtaking they can be now that motion capture technology exists? The apes are much more agile now. Make-up related delays no longer exist, either, so actors' enthusiasm can remain less stifled. Hopefully the franchise can wind down with dignity instead of tedium.
Will the 2016 installment be called Fig
ht for the Planet of the Apes, then?
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Message: 73576 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
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.html.html .htmlI'm with you on this one: Even if PLANET was the only APES film ever made, it'd still be my favorite movie... It never bores me either...
I like the sequels a lot, (and the one you seem to dread the most, BENEATH, is my second favorite APES film), but PLANET is still the best of them all to me...
In a message dated 9/15/2014 9:12:59 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
I was living on Long Island when I saw PLANET in 1968 and even if there was only that movie it would still be legendary with me. I don't know what it is about me that's different from everyone else here, but PLANET never bores me.
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Message: 73577 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
.html.html .htmlExactly, and that's why I can't see why people would even want these new films to lead to the world of the '68 original... PLANET has already been made, so leave it be...
As far as all of the untold stories that are possible, they are just as possible within the context of a new, rebooted franchise... You're entitled to your views/opinions, but with the way you feel about PLANET, I can't even see why you'd want any films to be considered prequels to it... If I read you correctly, you seem to think just about everything about the original sequels is inferior to, and in some cases "tarnishes", the original film... Why would you encourage these new films to be called/considered prequels when they could end up dimininshing the original film as much as anything that's already been made? Just because the new film's new stories would be set "before" PLANET doesn't mean they couldn't end up damaging PLANET's "image" as much as the original film's sequels...
(And I'm not implying any sarcasm in what I said... Knowing how you feel about the original film, I really don't get how you could want anything to be "connected" to PLANET...)
In a message dated 9/15/2014 9:10:35 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
I don't see why anyone with intelligence would want to jump the gun like that and go directly to the original concept, skipping hundreds of years of possible and unfamiliar stories just to get to the classic story that everyone is so familiar with. You don't remake the original story -- it's already been told, told very well and is regarded as a classic
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Message: 73578 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this, though I've mostly been saying it at IMDb message boards, but what I want has nothing to do with it. The makers of the new movies themselves are saying that they lead to the world of the '68 original. Rupert Wyatt himself said that RISE was a prequel to PLANET. I'm not making this up, I'm merely accepting it. Also, they're called Planet of the Apes movies, so what else does that refer to other than the original film? My problems with the old sequels is they moved away
from the original, and in the process distorted aspects of it, so much so that many fans and most casual viewers have a distorted view of the original. Things like the date shown on Taylor's chronometer is wrong, the mutants -- and even that there are mutants -- are making the lightening storms shown, that the gorillas are soldiers and have an army and general (they're just hunters and police in the book and original movie), and all the rest I won't bother mentioning. For me, for now, the new "prequels" offer the possibility of better extrapolations on the concept than the sequels are, but it hasn't really amounted to much other than a better scientific explanation of how super evolved apes rose suddenly. DAWN didn't move things much and I don't expect the next one will do much either, but they haven't yet "tarnished" the original.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 16, 2014 6:44 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide
Exactly, and that's why I can't see why people would even want these new films to lead to the world of the '68 original... PLANET has already been made, so leave it be...
As far as all of the untold stories that are possible, they are just as possible within the context of a new, rebooted franchise... You're entitled to your views/opinions, but with the way you feel about PLANET, I can't even see why you'd want any films to be considered prequels to it... If I read you correctly, you seem to think just about everything about the original sequels is inferior to, and in some cases "tarnishes", the original film... Why would you encourage these new films to be called/considered prequels when they could end up dimininshing the original film as much as anything that's already been made? Just because the new film's new stories would be set "before" PLANET doesn't mean they couldn't end up damaging PLANET's "image" as much as the original film's sequels...
(And I'm not implying any sarcasm in what I said... Knowing how you feel about the original film, I really don't get how you could want anything to be "connected" to PLANET...)
In a message dated 9/15/2014 9:10:35 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
I don't see why anyone with intelligence would want to jump the gun like that and go directly to the original concept, skipping hundreds of years of possible and unfamiliar stories just to get to the classic story that everyone is so familiar with. You don't remake the original story -- it's already been told, told very well and is regarded as a classic
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Message: 73579 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Going Ape! |
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Stumbled across this on You Tube, by none other than Alex himself. Most I've ever seen of Frank Schaffner commenting on PLANET. I wonder what his footage is from?
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Message: 73580 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: Roddy McDowall was born on this day in 1928, 9/17/2014, 12:00 am |
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Message: 73581 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/16/2014 |
| Subject: dawn signage |
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Message: 73582 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
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.htmlEveryone please disregard this post. I'm just seeing if posts made from the actual Yahoo group page are still getting through.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73583 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
.html---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote : Rupert Wyatt himself said that RISE was a prequel to PLANET. Sure he did. But Wyatt was not the creative force behind the story of RISE. That was Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver, who wrote and produced the film. Wyatt was more of a hired hand. And since he has now departed the franchise, whatever creative vision or intent that he may have had is now moot.
At this point RISE and DAWN are prequels (much like Batman Begins and Casino Royale are prequels telling an origin story buy in a new continuity) that will lead to the world of the original. But are they direct narrative prequels to the original? While that is always possible, it is still too early to tell. |
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Message: 73584 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
.html.html .htmlIn a message dated 9/16/2014 8:46:13 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
The makers of the new movies themselves are saying that they lead to the world of the '68 original. Rupert Wyatt himself said that RISE was a prequel to PLANET. I'm not making this up, I'm merely accepting it.
*** Nobody said you're making that up... They may have said it, but as I've said before, no matter what they call them or what these films end up being, *I* will see them as totally different entities with the APES name. ***
Also, they're called Planet of the Apes movies, so what else does that refer to other than the original film?
*** The name/title PLANET OF THE APES can refer to a few things: The original novel, the original film(s), the TV series, the various lines of comic books, the pota2001 film, etc... ***
Things like the date shown on Taylor's chronometer is wrong, the mutants -- and even that there are mutants -- are making the lightening storms shown, that the gorillas are soldiers and have an army and general (they're just hunters and police in the book and original movie), and all the rest I won't bother mentioning.
*** I'm with you on the chronometer date being wrong, and the bull with the mutants causing the lightning storms in PLANET is screwed up too... But, as far as the apes army existing out of nowhere in BENEATH: If you really want to get technical, Zaius himself sort of hints at an army in PLANET... He says to Taylor (paraphrased): "About that mythical community you're supposed to come from, Fort Wayne" to which Taylor says "What about it?" and Zaius replies "A fort... Unconsciously you chose a name which is belligerent..." If they don't have an army/military, why would Zaius know what a fort is? Forts are generally military installations... And "belligerent" means "warlike" and what's warlike? An army... Now you're probably right that in the original film the gorillas are just hunters and police, but there is dialog that could suggest an army (and it's really not twisting dialog to make it fit)... ;) ***
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Message: 73585 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: OT: Lawgiver's grandson lands Heston role |
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Jack Huston, the grandson of John "Lawgiver"
Huston, has been cast as Ben Hur in a remake of the film that earned Charlton
Heston an Oscar. Old Heston movies are new again lately. Of course a new series
of POTA movies are off and running. This December will see a big budget Moses
movie (from Fox and the POTA producers, directed by Ridley Scott with Christian
Bale in the Heston role). And now there's a new "Ben Hur" movie. Coincidentally,
Heston's own grandson is named Jack.
Given his lineage, mightn't it be cool if Huston
plays one of the astronauts alluded to in "Rise"?
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Message: 73586 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: happy birthday roddy mcdowall |
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Message: 73587 |
From: Pat Vaisvil |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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Message: 73588 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: DAWN at $668 million worldwide |
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Speaking of the POTA lightning storms, was there ever an 'official' explanation for them prior to Beneath?
It goes all the way back to the Serling drafts, I believe. Don't recall any explanation other than to make the planet seem more alien and less what it truly is.
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Message: 73589 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Lawgiver's grandson lands Heston role |
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Jack Huston, the grandson of John "Lawgiver"
Huston, has been cast as Ben Hur in a remake of the film that earned Charlton
Heston an Oscar. Old Heston movies are new again lately. Of course a new series
of POTA movies are off and running. This December will see a big budget Moses
movie (from Fox and the POTA producers, directed by Ridley Scott with Christian
Bale in the Heston role). And now there's a new "Ben Hur" movie. Coincidentally,
Heston's own grandson is named Jack.
Given his lineage, mightn't it be cool if Huston
plays one of the astronauts alluded to in "Rise"?
Yeah, that would be pretty cool, but it would be cooler if he plays a young Lawgiver in the last of the new movies, until the next reboot.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73590 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" 2015 Wall Calendar |
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Instead of pics from the movie, the official
"Dawn" wall calendar has simian flu graffiti and propaganda posters. Is it a
hottie or a nottie?
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Message: 73591 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Gorilla Soldier two pack |
.html.html .htmlHere's a link showing the upcoming Gorilla Soldier Infantry 2-pack:
https://twitter.com/NECA_TOYS/status/511555619061764096/photo/1
It's asked if these will be a Toys R Us exclusive, but I don't see an answer to that question (and if it's there, someone please point it out)... I hope that they'll be available everywhere, because I don't want to have to count on the local TRU carrying them: They're not even stocking the current NECA figures, I wouldn't count on them carrying an exclusive either...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73592 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Going Ape! |
.htmlGotta speak to da Man, Jeff Krueger. Sent me that years ago. I had that YouTube account in hopes to upload Dawn TV Spots but YouTube kept deleting them due to copyrights. Copyrights? Really? It's a freakin TV Commercial!! Hahaha!! YouTube is nuts.
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Stumbled across this on You Tube, by none other than Alex himself. Most I've ever seen of Frank Schaffner commenting on PLANET. I wonder what his footage is from?
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Message: 73593 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: POTA, the final frontier |
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I don't remember if this interview was
posted about the folks behind the POTA/Star Trek crossover comic. It takes
place between POTA68 and "Beneath". They say they want to do it properly and
respect the timelines, etc. Damn it Jim, they're apes, not Romulans!
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Message: 73594 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
.html.html .html"It's a joke, in very poor taste" ~ President of the Assembly (Planet of the Apes, 1968)
In a message dated 9/18/2014 7:12:03 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
I don't remember if this interview was posted about the folks behind the POTA/Star Trek crossover comic. It takes place between POTA68 and "Beneath". They say they want to do it properly and respect the timelines, etc.
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Message: 73595 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/18/2014 |
| Subject: Paul William's Birthday, Friday, 19 September 2014 |
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Message: 73596 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/19/2014 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics |
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Message: 73597 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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Now here's a POTA/Star Trek Crossover with jokes in very poor taste . .
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Dana Gould is Dr. Zauis as William
Shatner reciting Santa Claus Is Coming To Town
In a message dated 9/18/2014 8:26:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
"It's a joke, in very poor taste" ~ President of the
Assembly (Planet of the Apes, 1968)
In a message
dated 9/18/2014 7:12:03 PM Central Daylight Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
writes:
I don't remember if this interview was posted about the folks
behind the POTA/Star Trek crossover comic. It takes place between POTA68 and
"Beneath". They say they want to do it properly and respect the timelines,
etc.
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Message: 73598 |
From: scottgeorge40 |
Date: 9/19/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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That...
was APEroarious! Plus, he solved how the two universes can interact -- "they're both pretend."  |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73599 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/20/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
.html.html .htmlYes, "they're both pretend", but the idea of two entities, both of which are good in their own right don't need to be combined... Just because something "can" be done doesn't mean it should be done...
APES and ST are not like Reese's Peanut Butter cups (two good things that go great together or whatever their slogan is)...
In a message dated 9/20/2014 11:21:03 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Plus, he solved how the two universes can interact -- "they're both pretend."
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Message: 73600 |
From: scottgeorge40 |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
.htmlI agree. My PotA and Star Trek Megos did that 40 years ago. I even had an Orangutan as a Star Fleet officer (with a left over head from a broken Dr. Zaius)! 
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Message: 73601 |
From: James |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73602 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" $till climbing the mountain |
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The apes invaded Japan this weekend. Surely they
passed the magic $700 million summit, right? No, they did not (and don't
call me Shirley). It's new total is $681 million. Wow! Whoop Dee Doo! A whole
$681 million?! I hope it doesn't spend it all in one place!
So where exactly is that? Well, it's still $10
million shy of the first "Hunger Games". It's behind 4 "Twilight"
movies. It JUST passed "Forrest Gump", which came out only 20 years ago. You
better run Forrest, run if you want to catch up to "Dawn" because it's
on fire! E. T. is laughing at it. Laughing!
Do not pass Go, do not collect $700 million.
Maybe one of these days the world will open their wallets and go to the
(CENSORED!) movies! (He grabs his NECA Koba figure and throws it)
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Message: 73603 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/21/2014 |
| Subject: Asa Maynor's Birthday, Monday, 22 September 2014 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73604 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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.html It's amazing what greedy minds will do to try and milk the dollar. For me, the worst part about this idea is not the terrable concept, but the the fact that they are going to sell multiple covers for it. I'll say I won't buy into it, but I'm worried that the hardcore POTA fan inside me will break down and end up buying several copies of the same crapy story just for the different single page artwork. I really hate comic companies that that exploit fans buy selling different cover art variants. Its those type of tactics that led to the downfall of comic sales. I'm sure the DAWN comics will have multiple cover variants as well, since BOOM! Studios has done this with their other Planet of the Apes comics. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73605 |
From: johnmermigas |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Going Ape! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73606 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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It's amazing what greedy minds will do to try and milk the dollar. For me, the worst part about this idea is not the terrable concept, but the the fact that they are going to sell multiple covers for it. I'll say I won't buy into it, but I'm worried that the hardcore POTA fan inside me will break down and end up buying several copies of the same crapy story just for the different single page artwork. I really hate comic companies that that exploit fans buy selling different cover art variants. Its those type of tactics that led to the downfall of comic sales. I'm sure the DAWN comics will have multiple cover variants as well, since BOOM! Studios has done this with their other Planet of the Apes comics.
Everything is about money. We wouldn't be here if Yahoo wasn't making money. There wouldn't be an NFL defending the employment of wife beaters if it wasn't for money. We wouldn't be in bed with countries with psycho leaders if it wasn't for money. You wouldn't work of the asshole you work for if it wasn't for money. 20th Century Fox wouldn't have made a bunch of sequels, TV shows, and reboot/prequels if it wasn't for money. Disney wouldn't have a land and a world if it wasn't for money. Now, get out of here and go make some money. It's the American Dream. Dream it.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73607 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: post-modern POTA doc? |
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Lately there's been a new subgenre of documentary
about interesting movies that didn't happen: the acclaimed "Jodorowsky's Dune"
(about the guy who got the rights to the sci-fi classic from the estate of
Arthur Jacobs); there's a doc about Tim Burton's aborted "Superman" in the works
(had Burton done it he probably wouldn't have done POTA); and now there's a doc
about Richard Stanley's "The Island of Dr. Moreau" ("Lost Soul"). The who, the
what? Stanley was the early director on the '90's version that eventually
starred Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer. The director's chair was eventually filled
by the legendary John Frankenheimer ("Manchurian Candidate", "Seven Days in
May", drove Bobby Kennedy to his assassination).
I was primed for the movie. This story of "animal
people" is a true sci-fi classic (written by no less than H. G. Wells) and an
early precursor to POTA (especially now, given the "mad scientist" bent of
"Rise"). The '96 "Moreau" had Stan Winston doing the animals and he was at that
time the guy who was going to do the POTA apes. It seemed perfect since John
Chambers had done the 1977 "Moreau". Well, both Moreaus were disappointments
(though the '77 one scared the crap out of me as a kid) and there's a sense that
Stanley's would've been better. And it sounds like he wants to try again in this
age of Kickstarter. He reportedly wants to do a comic book version and the
proceeds would go towards a new movie (the rights are in public domain so anyone
could do a "Moreau" movie).
Which leads to the eleph-ape in the room. There's
a very rich history of the modern POTA attempts. What about a doc about the
versions that led to the Tim Burton one, and throw in a history of the new CGers
as well? A 20 year history. Get guys like Oliver Stone, James Cameron and
Ah-nuld (but don't call him that when you ask him) on camera and nail down this
history. It could be a 2 hour apestravaganza in the tradition of "Behind the
POTA". Andy Serkis, the modern Roddy, could narrate. The perfect project for a
movie nut or Fox if they want new DVD material. This could be very good if they
get the artwork, early makeup designs, etc. together. Clips from POTA2001,
"Rise", "Dawn" and the originals could fill it out. Could be great. Just
sayin'.
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Message: 73608 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: post-modern POTA doc? |
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I think the story that lead to what would be the 2001 Tim Burton directed disaster known as PLANET OF THE APES is a very depressing one. Remember it begins with either Adam Rifkin or Peter Jackson meeting with Fox and Roddy McDowall being on the lot -- and no one knows who he is! It's a story of just how imaginatively shallow "Hollywood" can be. A good capsule of the history is here:
And, remember, there's a book coming out next month that may cover a lot of this as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 11:01 am
Subject: [pota] post-modern POTA doc?
Lately there's been a new subgenre of documentary
about interesting movies that didn't happen: the acclaimed "Jodorowsky's Dune"
(about the guy who got the rights to the sci-fi classic from the estate of
Arthur Jacobs); there's a doc about Tim Burton's aborted "Superman" in the works
(had Burton done it he probably wouldn't have done POTA); and now there's a doc
about Richard Stanley's "The Island of Dr. Moreau" ("Lost Soul"). The who, the
what? Stanley was the early director on the '90's version that eventually
starred Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer. The director's chair was eventually filled
by the legendary John Frankenheimer ("Manchurian Candidate", "Seven Days in
May", drove Bobby Kennedy to his assassination).
I was primed for the movie. This story of "animal
people" is a true sci-fi classic (written by no less than H. G. Wells) and an
early precursor to POTA (especially now, given the "mad scientist" bent of
"Rise"). The '96 "Moreau" had Stan Winston doing the animals and he was at that
time the guy who was going to do the POTA apes. It seemed perfect since John
Chambers had done the 1977 "Moreau". Well, both Moreaus were disappointments
(though the '77 one scared the crap out of me as a kid) and there's a sense that
Stanley's would've been better. And it sounds like he wants to try again in this
age of Kickstarter. He reportedly wants to do a comic book version and the
proceeds would go towards a new movie (the rights are in public domain so anyone
could do a "Moreau" movie).
Which leads to the eleph-ape in the room. There's
a very rich history of the modern POTA attempts. What about a doc about the
versions that led to the Tim Burton one, and throw in a history of the new CGers
as well? A 20 year history. Get guys like Oliver Stone, James Cameron and
Ah-nuld (but don't call him that when you ask him) on camera and nail down this
history. It could be a 2 hour apestravaganza in the tradition of "Behind the
POTA". Andy Serkis, the modern Roddy, could narrate. The perfect project for a
movie nut or Fox if they want new DVD material. This could be very good if they
get the artwork, early makeup designs, etc. together. Clips from POTA2001,
"Rise", "Dawn" and the originals could fill it out. Could be great. Just
sayin'.
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Message: 73609 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: Re: post-modern POTA doc? |
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The basics are known but not the details. No one
even knows what James Cameron's POTA was about. It may be depressing but that's
what would make it a good subject, all the errors and coulda beens. If
everything went perfectly it would be a boring doc. I'd love to see all the
unused designs and makeup tests, even for POTA2001 (though a lot are on the DVD)
all in one place.
As for the Roddy story, he and Peter Jackson were
going to do it (1992 when no one knew who Jackson was, and the Fox exec who took
the meeting didn't know Roddy was important to POTA). I'm sure Jackson
could tell a pretty good tale of that day on camera. It could be a great doc.
And there are a lot of great documentary filmmakers who are POTA fans.
Maybe they could even interview Danny Elfman.
Here's his "Dr. Moreau" song:
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 8:12 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: post-modern POTA doc?
I think the story that lead to what would be
the 2001 Tim Burton directed disaster known as PLANET OF THE APES is a very
depressing one. Remember it begins with either Adam Rifkin or Peter
Jackson meeting with Fox and Roddy McDowall being on the lot -- and no one knows
who he is! It's a story of just how imaginatively shallow "Hollywood" can
be. A good capsule of the history is here:
And, remember, there's a book coming out next month that may cover a lot of
this as well.
-----Original
Message----- From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota]
<pota@yahoogroups.com> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG
<PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 11:01 am Subject:
[pota] post-modern POTA doc?
Lately there's been a new subgenre of documentary
about interesting movies that didn't happen: the acclaimed "Jodorowsky's Dune"
(about the guy who got the rights to the sci-fi classic from the estate of
Arthur Jacobs); there's a doc about Tim Burton's aborted "Superman" in the works
(had Burton done it he probably wouldn't have done POTA); and now there's a doc
about Richard Stanley's "The Island of Dr. Moreau" ("Lost Soul"). The who, the
what? Stanley was the early director on the '90's version that eventually
starred Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer. The director's chair was eventually filled
by the legendary John Frankenheimer ("Manchurian Candidate", "Seven Days in
May", drove Bobby Kennedy to his assassination).
I was primed for the movie. This story of "animal
people" is a true sci-fi classic (written by no less than H. G. Wells) and an
early precursor to POTA (especially now, given the "mad scientist" bent of
"Rise"). The '96 "Moreau" had Stan Winston doing the animals and he was at that
time the guy who was going to do the POTA apes. It seemed perfect since John
Chambers had done the 1977 "Moreau". Well, both Moreaus were disappointments
(though the '77 one scared the crap out of me as a kid) and there's a sense that
Stanley's would've been better. And it sounds like he wants to try again in this
age of Kickstarter. He reportedly wants to do a comic book version and the
proceeds would go towards a new movie (the rights are in public domain so anyone
could do a "Moreau" movie).
Which leads to the eleph-ape in the room. There's
a very rich history of the modern POTA attempts. What about a doc about the
versions that led to the Tim Burton one, and throw in a history of the new CGers
as well? A 20 year history. Get guys like Oliver Stone, James Cameron and
Ah-nuld (but don't call him that when you ask him) on camera and nail down this
history. It could be a 2 hour apestravaganza in the tradition of "Behind the
POTA". Andy Serkis, the modern Roddy, could narrate. The perfect project for a
movie nut or Fox if they want new DVD material. This could be very good if they
get the artwork, early makeup designs, etc. together. Clips from POTA2001,
"Rise", "Dawn" and the originals could fill it out. Could be great. Just
sayin'.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73610 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/22/2014 |
| Subject: james whitmore and kim hunter photo |
.html.html dear group, here is a 1958 photo ten years before planet showing james whitmore- president of the assembly and dr zira --what a blast from the past. from william <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73611 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" up to $110 million in China |
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A new report courtesy of the Hollywood Reporter
sez "Dawn" has made $110 million in 24 days of Chinese moviegoing (it opened
Aug. 29th). The trade paper adds: "The movie is still screening widely after
nearly a month in theaters".
You may recall that "Transformers 4" made $300
million there, but the #2 Hollywood film is "X-Men 4" (the 4s have it) with $116
million. Could "Dawn" overtake it?
The answer is: yes, it certainly could overtake
it. It could cozy up right behind the home-grown Chinese sensation "The Monkey
King" (>snicker<) as the # 3 movie of the year in China. Hugs all around!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73612 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: "War For the Planet of the Apes"? |
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Though there's no official announcement of
a title for Apes 3 yet, the internet has decided it will be called "War For the
POTA" (maybe a play on "Battle For..."?). Imdb goes so far as to say it will
"most likely" be called that.
I've seen no suggestion of that title from
the filmmakers, though I might have missed something. But the general feeling
from the end of "Dawn" and the fact that it's time to get the ball rolling is
that the next one will be the humans' last stand and we may get into some heavy
duty weaponry.
So how is that for a title? Too obvious? Or
should they stick to the sunny titles (but no more 2 "of
the"s)? <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73613 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: james whitmore and kim hunter photo [1 Attachment] |
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I believe that's from a 1959 episode of PLAYHOUSE 90 titled "The Sounds of Eden," broadcast on October 15.
-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge billburge48@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 3:33 pm
Subject: [pota] james whitmore and kim hunter photo [1 Attachment]
dear group, here is a 1958 photo ten years before planet showing james whitmore- president of the assembly and dr zira --what a blast from the past. from william
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73614 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: Re: "War For the Planet of the Apes"? |
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War? What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin'!
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 4:21 am
Subject: [pota] "War For the Planet of the Apes"?
Though there's no official announcement of
a title for Apes 3 yet, the internet has decided it will be called "War For the
POTA" (maybe a play on "Battle For..."?). Imdb goes so far as to say it will
"most likely" be called that.
I've seen no suggestion of that title from
the filmmakers, though I might have missed something. But the general feeling
from the end of "Dawn" and the fact that it's time to get the ball rolling is
that the next one will be the humans' last stand and we may get into some heavy
duty weaponry.
So how is that for a title? Too obvious? Or
should they stick to the sunny titles (but no more 2 "of
the"s)?
<.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73615 |
From: James |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
.html.html |
 | | | "planet of the apes" Daily update
â‹… September 22, 2014 | | | NEWS | | | | |
| Japan Box Office: 'Apes' Opens Behind Samurai Film Hollywood Reporter
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes opened in second place at the Japanese box office this weekend in its final major market launch. The 20th Century Fox ... | | |
Planet of the Apes x A Bathing Ape 2014 Capsule Collection Hypebeast â‹… Arby Li
With a well-documented history of strong collaborations, BAPE has chosen to go back to its roots in this capsule collection with the Planet of the Apes ... | |
| Dawn of the Planet of the Apes graig and david sometimes disagree â‹…
Graig Kent Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Posted by Graig Kent. 2014, Matt Reeves (Cloverfield, Let Me In) -- in theatre. It was a pretty amazing summer for ... | | | | | |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73616 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: NECA Ursus looks awesome |
| Group: pota |
Message: 73617 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" at $478 million in China?! |
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As I write this Boxofficemojo has "Dawn of the
POTA" listed as the #1 movie of all time in China (by far) with $478 million. It
has to be a mistake (or they got hacked by an Ape fan; which one of you did
it?). Probably by the time you read this it will be fixed but it wuz still fun
to see.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73618 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: POTA, the final frontier |
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If a Starship was in obit around the POTA would who's side would they be
on? If previous episodes are anything to go on they would have to give the Apes
telepathic powers and an Alpha-Omega.
In a message dated 9/21/2014 1:19:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
I
agree. My PotA and Star Trek Megos did that 40 years
ago. <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73619 |
From: Charles W. |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
.htmlI love the new Apes movies but I really don't want to see another war movie. The only problem I see with these movies is that they are too grounded in reality versus the original series with time travel and the like.
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On Wed, 9/24/14, pota@yahoogroups.com <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [pota] Digest Number 6557
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2014, 3:52 AM
POTA - A community of PLANET OF THE APES
fans!
POTA - A community of
PLANET OF THE APES fans! Group
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Digest #6557
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"Dawn" up to $110 million in China
by
"Jeff K."
2a
"War For the Planet of the Apes"?
by
"Jeff K."
2b
Re: "War For the Planet of the Apes"?
by
haristas
3a
Re: james whitmore and kim hunter photo [1
Attachment]
by
haristas
4.1
FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
by
"James"
jamesa1102
5
NECA Ursus looks awesome
by
"Jeff K."
6
"Dawn" at $478 million in China?!
by
"Jeff K."
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"Dawn" up to $110 million in China
Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:13 am (PDT)
. Posted by:
"Jeff K."
A new report courtesy of the Hollywood
Reporter sez "Dawn" has made $110 million in 24
days of Chinese moviegoing (it opened Aug. 29th). The trade
paper adds: "The movie is still screening widely after
nearly a month in theaters".
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-box-office-planet-apes-734947
You may recall that "Transformers 4" made $300
million there, but the #2 Hollywood film is "X-Men
4" (the 4s have it) with $116 million. Could
"Dawn" overtake it?
http://boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/yearly/
The answer is: yes, it certainly could overtake it. It
could cozy up right behind the home-grown Chinese sensation
"The Monkey King" (>snicker< ) as the # 3
movie of the year in China. Hugs all around!
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"War For the Planet of the Apes"?
Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:14 am (PDT)
. Posted by:
"Jeff K."
Though there's no official announcement
of a title for Apes 3 yet, the internet has decided it will
be called "War For the POTA" (maybe a play on
"Battle For..."?). Imdb goes so far as to say it
will "most likely" be called that.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3450958/
I've seen no suggestion of that title from the
filmmakers, though I might have missed something. But the
general feeling from the end of "Dawn" and the
fact that it's time to get the ball rolling is that the
next one will be the humans' last stand and we may get
into some heavy duty weaponry.
So how is that for a title? Too obvious? Or should they
stick to the sunny titles (but no more 2 "of
the"s)?
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Re: "War For the Planet of the Apes"?
Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:41 am (PDT)
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haristas
War? What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin'!
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota]
<pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 23, 2014 4:21 am
Subject: [pota] "War For the Planet of the Apes"?
Though there's no official announcement of a title for
Apes 3 yet, the internet has decided it will be called
"War For the POTA" (maybe a play on "Battle
For..."?). Imdb goes so far as to say it will
"most likely" be called that.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3450958/
I've seen no suggestion of that title from the
filmmakers, though I might have missed something. But the
general feeling from the end of "Dawn" and the
fact that it's time to get the ball rolling is that the
next one will be the humans' last stand and we may get
into some heavy duty weaponry.
So how is that for a title? Too obvious? Or should they
stick to the sunny titles (but no more 2 "of
the"s)?
Reply to sender
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Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:41 am (PDT)
. Posted by:
haristas
I believe that's from a 1959 episode of PLAYHOUSE 90
titled "The Sounds of Eden," broadcast on October
15.
-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge billburge48@... [pota]
<pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 3:33 pm
Subject: [pota] james whitmore and kim hunter photo [1
Attachment]
dear group, here is a 1958 photo ten years before planet
showing james whitmore- president of the assembly and dr
zira --what a blast from the past. from william
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FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Tue Sep 23, 2014 6:56 am (PDT)
. Posted by:
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Planet of the Apes 3 Movie: Director Matt Reeves on
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NECA Ursus looks awesome
Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:21 pm (PDT)
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"Jeff K."
So sez I.
https://twitter.com/NECA_TOYS/status/514145611906813952/photo/1
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"Dawn" at $478 million in China?!
Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:48 pm (PDT)
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"Jeff K."
As I write this Boxofficemojo has "Dawn
of the POTA" listed as the #1 movie of all time in
China (by far) with $478 million. It has to be a mistake (or
they got hacked by an Ape fan; which one of you did it?).
Probably by the time you read this it will be fixed but it
wuz still fun to see.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/yearly/
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73620 |
From: mikem3978 |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: NECA Ursus looks awesome |
.htmlThat is impressive work for a 7" figure. I didn't think anyone would get more accurate than the Hot Toys Ursus, but this looks like nice work.
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Message: 73621 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: "Dawn" wasn't built in a day |
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Here's some cool "Dawn" concept art:
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73622 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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If they're following the films order we've see Conquest & Battle.
POTA is next.
In a message dated 9/24/2014 9:57:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
the
new Apes movies but I really don't want to see another war movie.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73623 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/24/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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Sorry, my Lord, that's not happening. More Caesar
is next.
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 6557
If they're following the films order we've see Conquest & Battle.
POTA is next.
In a message dated 9/24/2014 9:57:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
the
new Apes movies but I really don't want to see another war movie.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73624 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: U.S. fans can still get head |
.htmlGuardians of the Galaxy is set for a December 9th Bluray release so we're definitely looking at a Dawn release before then November 24th. Sweet.
Al |
From:
'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
To:
<pota@yahoogroups.com>; <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:
[pota] U.S. fans can still get head
Sent:
Sat, Jul 19, 2014 4:17:48 AM
The groovy Caesar head that U.K. fans can get
with the complete POTA blu-ray collection this Christmas can also be got by U.S.
fans in a souped up "Dawn" release. More details next weekend at Comic
Con.
"Is this some kind of bust?"
"Yes, it's very impressive. But we're still going
to have to ask you a few questions".
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73625 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: planet ad new york post |
.html.html dear group, I found an old planet ad from the new york post 2-8-68 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73626 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales mark |
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Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales mark?
Dawn has reportedly $3 million in ticket sales thus far in Japan:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=dawnoftheapes.htm
Rise made ten times that much in 2011 dollars, and without the 3D price padding too:
Globally, Dawn has $681 million in reported ticket sales thus far:
It would be easier to be optimistic if Dawn had more momentum behind it in Japan. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.
Any predictions? :-)
Have a good weekend from Houston (where George Taylor likely trained)...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73627 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: U.S. fans can still get head |
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"Transformers 4" comes out next week and it wuz
released only 2 weeks before "Dawn". Who knows about the future?
But I already predicted Nov. 24 or Dec. 3rd
so I'll stand by that.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: [pota] U.S. fans can still get head
Guardians of the Galaxy is set for a December 9th Bluray
release so we're definitely looking at a Dawn release before then November
24th. Sweet.
Al |
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>; To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>; < PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: [pota] U.S. fans can
still get head Sent: Sat, Jul
19, 2014 4:17:48 AM
The groovy Caesar head that U.K. fans can
get with the complete POTA blu-ray collection this Christmas can also be
got by U.S. fans in a souped up "Dawn" release. More details next weekend
at Comic Con.
"Is this some kind of bust?"
"Yes, it's very impressive. But we're still
going to have to ask you a few questions".
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73628 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: U.S. fans can still get head |
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Hey, Al's right. Guardians has an official
release date, not a speculation. Dec. 9 is off the table for "Dawn". What's the
holdup with Dawn's official release?
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: [pota] U.S. fans can still get head
Guardians of the Galaxy is set for a December 9th Bluray
release so we're definitely looking at a Dawn release before then November
24th. Sweet.
Al |
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>; To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>; < PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: [pota] U.S. fans can
still get head Sent: Sat, Jul
19, 2014 4:17:48 AM
The groovy Caesar head that U.K. fans can
get with the complete POTA blu-ray collection this Christmas can also be
got by U.S. fans in a souped up "Dawn" release. More details next weekend
at Comic Con.
"Is this some kind of bust?"
"Yes, it's very impressive. But we're still
going to have to ask you a few questions".
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73629 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
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"Dawn" will definitely pass $700 million. But I
wonder if it will top Spidey ($709 mil) and Cap 2 ($714 mil) before it goes out?
It's probably up to the Chinese.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:39 AM
Subject: [pota] Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global
ticket sales mark?
Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales mark?
Dawn has reportedly $3 million in ticket sales thus far in Japan:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=dawnoftheapes.htm
Rise made ten times that much in 2011 dollars, and without the 3D price
padding too:
Globally, Dawn has $681 million in reported ticket sales thus far:
It would be easier to be optimistic if Dawn had more momentum behind it in
Japan. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.
Any
predictions? :-)
Have a good weekend from Houston (where George Taylor likely
trained)...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73630 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/25/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
.htmlLooks like Dawn came out so late in Japan that by the time it was released, everyone on the island had a bootleg.
Al |
From:
'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
To:
<pota@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:
Re: [pota] Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales mark?
Sent:
Thu, Sep 25, 2014 10:41:01 PM
"Dawn" will definitely pass $700 million. But I
wonder if it will top Spidey ($709 mil) and Cap 2 ($714 mil) before it goes out?
It's probably up to the Chinese.
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:39 AM
Subject: [pota] Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global
ticket sales mark?
Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales mark?
Dawn has reportedly $3 million in ticket sales thus far in Japan:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=dawnoftheapes.htm
Rise made ten times that much in 2011 dollars, and without the 3D price
padding too:
Globally, Dawn has $681 million in reported ticket sales thus far:
It would be easier to be optimistic if Dawn had more momentum behind it in
Japan. I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.
Any
predictions? :-)
Have a good weekend from Houston (where George Taylor likely
trained)...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73631 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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Boo!... What's this going to be?
Between The Planet of The Apes?
In a message dated 9/24/2014 6:57:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Sorry,
my Lord, that's not happening. More Caesar is
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73632 |
From: LordTZer0 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
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Only Kenshin is ahead of Dawn.
In a message dated 9/25/2014 4:43:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales
mark? <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73633 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
.html.html .htmlJust curious: Is "DAWN" playing in the budgets theaters? I know it's not playing in the second run theater around here, so I'm wondering if it's totally out of theaters in the US?
In a message dated 9/25/2014 6:16:08 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
"Dawn" will definitely pass $700 million. But I wonder if it will top Spidey ($709 mil) and Cap 2 ($714 mil) before it goes out?
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Message: 73634 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physicis |
.htmlGood Morning! A new installment of the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS now online. Thanks to everyone who contributed.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73635 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
.htmlRead a tweet the other day that it was just beginning to play at someone's local $1 theater.
Al |
From:
mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
To:
<pota@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject:
Re: [pota] Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales ma...
Sent:
Fri, Sep 26, 2014 9:58:06 AM
Just curious: Is "DAWN" playing in the budgets theaters? I know it's not playing in the second run theater around here, so I'm wondering if it's totally out of theaters in the US?
In a message dated 9/25/2014 6:16:08 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
"Dawn" will definitely pass $700 million. But I wonder if it will top Spidey ($709 mil) and Cap 2 ($714 mil) before it goes out?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73636 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
.htmlAlready playing at the 'rebate/cheapie' theater here in Ottawa, Canada
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73637 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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It really bugs me -- what else is new? -- that some assume that because RISE and DAWN have been like CONQUEST and BATTLE that that makes PLANET next. The damn cycle thing is so insidious. After BATTLE is two thousand years of unexplored territory. PLANET is not next. PLANET is the long term goal -- which is why they're prequels! The next new APES should try for something truly new.
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From: LordTZer0@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 26, 2014 2:50 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 6557
Boo!... What's this going to be?
Between The Planet of The Apes?
In a message dated 9/24/2014 6:57:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Sorry,
my Lord, that's not happening. More Caesar is
next.
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Message: 73638 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales |
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Having watched and enjoyed all the ZATOICHI movies on Blu-ray last winter, I find it cool that samurai movies are still big in Japan. It would be nice if this country were still into westerns. Maybe the next APES should have sword fighting apes?
-----Original Message-----
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 26, 2014 2:50 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales ma...
Only Kenshin is ahead of Dawn.
In a message dated 9/25/2014 4:43:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Might Japan pull Dawn over the $700 million global ticket sales
mark?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73639 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968)? |
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What genuinely INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn of the POTA, and POTA (1968) itself? For me, marginal diminishing returns could set in after a movie or two that resemble(s) the 1974 television series. I enjoyed those because I'm an Apes fanatic, and refreshingly enough there were astronauts in the series too. But some of the story-lines weren't of cinematic caliber. Subjects can be upgraded, but have likely already been visited in settings unrelated to simians. Human interactions become dull subject matter for moviegoers. Human / Simian interactions might not even be as interesting. I'd rather see the franchise conclude gracefully, leading up to POTA 1968, than have it fatigue viewers and potential fans. I remember during the 1980's when a video rentals store owner derogatorily joked that his store does NOT have "Next Week on Planet of the Apes."
1960's and 1970's SciFi might seem immuned to fatigue issues, after Star Trek, Star Wars and BattleStar Galactica rebounded decades later while Doctor Who stayed around. But Lost In Space's movie was not particularly successful back around 1998. Space 1999 never came back (although the title might help explain why, along with NASA's making space colonization seem so hard so that NASA and its contractor ilk can continue profiteering at taxpayers' expense). Star Lost went somewhere and died. Buck Rogers in the 25th Century is in suspended animation at best. All of those shows had longer runs as t.v. shows than Planet of the Apes did, with the possible exception of Star Lost from the early 1970's. So I for one would rather see the POTA movies conclude with a bang instead of a whimper. Less is more. How about you, though? Might you agree? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73640 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Dawn still showing in the USA? |
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Message: 73641 |
From: thirdjaw12 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 6557 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73642 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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I plotted out where at least three more movies could go and that would only take us up to the time of the Lawgiver, around eight hundred years into the future. All this is only limited by the imagination of the writers and directors. I'm rooting for good imaginations leading to good stories, since I have no doubt that Fox will want to milk this for as many movies as possible. We're not even at the point yet where all the apes are speaking and wearing clothes and living like men, and the next one would have to be a four hour epic to get us to even that, so I think there will be at least two more movies, possibly three.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 26, 2014 1:13 pm
Subject: [pota] What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968)?
What genuinely INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn of the POTA, and POTA (1968) itself? For me, marginal diminishing returns could set in after a movie or two that resemble(s) the 1974 television series. I enjoyed those because I'm an Apes fanatic, and refreshingly enough there were astronauts in the series too. But some of the story-lines weren't of cinematic caliber. Subjects can be upgraded, but have likely already been visited in settings unrelated to simians. Human interactions become dull subject matter for moviegoers. Human / Simian interactions might not even be as interesting. I'd rather see the franchise conclude gracefully, leading up to POTA 1968, than have it fatigue viewers and potential fans. I remember during the 1980's when a video rentals store owner derogatorily joked that his store does NOT have "Next Week on Planet of the Apes."
1960's and 1970's SciFi might seem immuned to fatigue issues, after Star Trek, Star Wars and BattleStar Galactica rebounded decades later while Doctor Who stayed around. But Lost In Space's movie was not particularly successful back around 1998. Space 1999 never came back (although the title might help explain why, along with NASA's making space colonization seem so hard so that NASA and its contractor ilk can continue profiteering at taxpayers' expense). Star Lost went somewhere and died. Buck Rogers in the 25th Century is in suspended animation at best. All of those shows had longer runs as t.v. shows than Planet of the Apes did, with the possible exception of Star Lost from the early 1970's. So I for one would rather see the POTA movies conclude with a bang instead of a whimper. Less is more. How about you, though? Might you agree?
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From: haristas |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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This is what I posted before as possible ways the franchise could go, though I doubt I'd really want to see some of it.
This is where I think the makers of the new PLANET OF THE APES franchise could go with future films, and I've limited the modern franchise to the same five film number of the old franchise:
In the third movie (I'm not going to propose titles), which takes up directly where DAWN ends, the apes will battle what survives of the US military. By the end of the film the apes will lose the battle and Caesar, mortally wounded and fearing that his people will be exterminated, orders the apes to surrender. They do so after Caesar dies and are then enslaved by the humans who will use the apes for the hard labor that will be needed to rebuild civilization. (Yeah, this one's a bid downer.)
In the fourth movie we jump ahead three hundred years, mankind has only partially restored its former technological civilization. Most of the world is depopulated and the long term affects of global warming have ravished the environment. What's left of mankind lives in a kind of late 19th, early 20th century technology society in what was the United States, mostly in the eastern regions. Meanwhile the long term affects of the plague are still at work in the DNA of both man and apes. The apes are evolving at a rapid rate and are starting to reach the more humanoid creatures they were in the original '68 film. Humans on the other hand are devolving, becoming more mentally lazy while their slave apes do all the work. Humans are also becoming more infertile and their total population is less than that of their simian slave labor force which they have brutally lorded over. Revolution is in the air and a descendant of Caesar, a chimpanzee
named Aldo (again played by Andy Serkis) leads the apes in a revolt against their human masters. But the Fascistic and cruel human leader(s) have secretly maintained ancient nuclear weapons and fearing that the apes will finally conquer and dominate man they detonate their bombs in desperation.
In the fifth and final film of the modern APES franchise, we are a couple centuries past the nuclear holocaust the nearly killed all apes and humans. A small society of apes survive in what was the Appalachian mountains of West Virginia. Outside of this region most of the land is wasteland, and the region to the northeast still highly radioactive as most of the nukes were detonated there in what was Washington and NYC. The apes now appear very much like they did in the '68 original and have founded a society very much like ancient Rome. A power struggle ensues among the apes over which species will rule the society. Humans, now mute, are also intellectually dumb animals and are kept by chimpanzees as pets. But one orangutan leader, Haristas ( a name from the original Boulle novel), is appalled by this and has kept secret a recorded oral history of the apes on series of scrolls and has founded a simian religion based on suppression of the true nature of that history. In
an alliance with a brutal gorilla leader, the orangutans and their gorilla subordinates defeat the chimpanzee establishment that has ruled whatever society the apes have had since the time of Caesar. Haristas, now calling himself the Lawgiver, drives out into the wilderness what remains of mankind and declares man an evil pestilence that must forever be shunned, and the desert area to the northeast the "Forbidden Zone.". The ape civilization first seen in the 1968 original is thus founded.
THE END..... for now.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 26, 2014 1:52 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968)?
I plotted out where at least three more movies could go and that would only take us up to the time of the Lawgiver, around eight hundred years into the future. All this is only limited by the imagination of the writers and directors. I'm rooting for good imaginations leading to good stories, since I have no doubt that Fox will want to milk this for as many movies as possible. We're not even at the point yet where all the apes are speaking and wearing clothes and living like men, and the next one would have to be a four hour epic to get us to even that, so I think there will be at least two more movies, possibly three.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 26, 2014 1:13 pm
Subject: [pota] What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968)?
What genuinely INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn of the POTA, and POTA (1968) itself? For me, marginal diminishing returns could set in after a movie or two that resemble(s) the 1974 television series. I enjoyed those because I'm an Apes fanatic, and refreshingly enough there were astronauts in the series too. But some of the story-lines weren't of cinematic caliber. Subjects can be upgraded, but have likely already been visited in settings unrelated to simians. Human interactions become dull subject matter for moviegoers. Human / Simian interactions might not even be as interesting. I'd rather see the franchise conclude gracefully, leading up to POTA 1968, than have it fatigue viewers and potential fans. I remember during the 1980's when a video rentals store owner derogatorily joked that his store does NOT have "Next Week on Planet of the Apes."
1960's and 1970's SciFi might seem immuned to fatigue issues, after Star Trek, Star Wars and BattleStar Galactica rebounded decades later while Doctor Who stayed around. But Lost In Space's movie was not particularly successful back around 1998. Space 1999 never came back (although the title might help explain why, along with NASA's making space colonization seem so hard so that NASA and its contractor ilk can continue profiteering at taxpayers' expense). Star Lost went somewhere and died. Buck Rogers in the 25th Century is in suspended animation at best. All of those shows had longer runs as t.v. shows than Planet of the Apes did, with the possible exception of Star Lost from the early 1970's. So I for one would rather see the POTA movies conclude with a bang instead of a whimper. Less is more. How about you, though? Might you agree?
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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I still say:
2016: finish Caesar's story
2018: take the next leap closer to POTA (50th
anniversary movie) - at least primitive clothes, humans under their thumb
(though maybe some rebellions); maybe bring in the Icarus astronauts if they're
going to do that; if "Dawn" wuz a "good" version of "Battle", maybe this is a
"good" version of the TV show society (the TV show is one of Matt Reeves'
fondest POTA memories)
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn
and POTA (1968)?
I plotted out where at least three more movies could go and that would only
take us up to the time of the Lawgiver, around eight hundred years into the
future. All this is only limited by the imagination of the writers and
directors. I'm rooting for good imaginations leading to good stories,
since I have no doubt that Fox will want to milk this for as many movies as
possible. We're not even at the point yet where all the apes are speaking
and wearing clothes and living like men, and the next one would have to be a
four hour epic to get us to even that, so I think there will be at least two
more movies, possibly three.
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Message----- From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
<pota@yahoogroups.com> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
Fri, Sep 26, 2014 1:13 pm Subject: [pota] What INTERESTING stuff could happen
between Dawn and POTA (1968)?
What genuinely INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn of the POTA, and
POTA (1968) itself? For me, marginal diminishing returns could set in
after a movie or two that resemble(s) the 1974 television series. I
enjoyed those because I'm an Apes fanatic, and refreshingly enough there were
astronauts in the series too. But some of the story-lines weren't of
cinematic caliber. Subjects can be upgraded, but have likely already been
visited in settings unrelated to simians. Human interactions become dull
subject matter for moviegoers. Human / Simian interactions might not even
be as interesting. I'd rather see the franchise conclude
gracefully, leading up to POTA 1968, than have it fatigue viewers and potential
fans. I remember during the 1980's when a video rentals store owner
derogatorily joked that his store does NOT have "Next Week on Planet of the
Apes."
1960's and 1970's SciFi might seem immuned to fatigue issues, after Star
Trek, Star Wars and BattleStar Galactica rebounded decades later while Doctor
Who stayed around. But Lost In Space's movie was not particularly
successful back around 1998. Space 1999 never came back (although the
title might help explain why, along with NASA's making space colonization seem
so hard so that NASA and its contractor ilk can continue profiteering at
taxpayers' expense). Star Lost went somewhere and died. Buck Rogers
in the 25th Century is in suspended animation at best. All of those shows
had longer runs as t.v. shows than Planet of the Apes did, with the possible
exception of Star Lost from the early 1970's. So I for one would rather
see the POTA movies conclude with a bang instead of a whimper. Less is
more. How about you, though? Might you agree?
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Message: 73645 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
.htmlI agree with pretty much all that you say in your response.
I find solace in how well Fox and crew have done with the first two prequels this decade. I just hope, as do you, that they keep up the magnificent work.
Nothing says that Taylor and crew have to be the only astronauts, by the way, as the 1974 television serial showed. Plus, how about some cryogenically preserved and eventually revived humans as plot-influencers? POTA is about more than mere anthropological development. It's SciFi with clashes of folks from different eras and such.
By the way, was it ever explained in Dawn where the Apes got the horses and learned to ride them? Caesar was a natural rider, I guess. He rode a horse in Rise, I think across the bridge if I'm remembering correctly. Perhaps riding horses isn't that hard. I didn't try, especially after (Superman) Christopher Reeves' paralyzing 1995 incident.
Incidentally, perhaps in this timeline Apes won't see fit to wear clothes.
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Date: 9/26/2014 |
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Here's director Matt Reeves talking about taking
it slooow and Caesar's continued importance. It also includes a cool gallery of
Dawn's best and worst stuff (in their opinions).
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:34 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn
and POTA (1968)?
I agree with pretty much all that you say in your response.
I find solace in how well Fox and crew have done with the first two
prequels this decade. I just hope, as do you, that they keep up the
magnificent work.
Nothing says that Taylor and crew have to be the only astronauts, by the
way, as the 1974 television serial showed. Plus, how about some
cryogenically preserved and eventually revived humans as plot-influencers?
POTA is about more than mere anthropological development. It's
SciFi with clashes of folks from different eras and such.
By the way, was it ever explained in Dawn where the Apes got the horses and
learned to ride them? Caesar was a natural rider, I guess. He rode
a horse in Rise, I think across the bridge if I'm remembering correctly.
Perhaps riding horses isn't that hard. I didn't try, especially
after (Superman) Christopher Reeves' paralyzing 1995 incident.
Incidentally, perhaps in this timeline Apes won't see fit to wear clothes.
A good weekend to all, from Houston... :-)
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Date: 9/26/2014 |
| Subject: Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's Birthday, Saturday, 27 September 2014 |
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"Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa's Birthday" reminder
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Message: 73648 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn and POTA (1968) |
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I wondered about the horse question too. I'm not a cowboy, but I road a hoarse a few times in my life, and didn't find it to hard. Of course these were well trained friendly docile horses. A wild or unruly horse would be a totally different matter. I don't see where there would be wild stallions roaming around the Muir Woods, and I didn't see anything in the movie (or book) that showed the apes having a stable or how they would feed and maintain horses, but surely they were using them for some time. They were riding horses in the hunt scene. While on the set, sometimes the horses would seem to be jittery and didn't always stay very still. They reshot some scenes with Serkis straddling a step ladder like a horse. Clearly the horses in New Orleans did not like the "ape" style of sitting and riding. I really enjoyed watching Terry Notary (Rocket) doing his ape movements when I was on set, so not to long ago I blew the dust
off my POTA 2001 DVD just to watch the "ape school" and other "making of" features, and they showed Notary (as Thade) doing all sorts of crazy mounts and dismounts and he even was riding in this perched style, standing/squatting on the horse's back, and that horse didn't seem to mind one bit. The horses in Arizona must like apes a little more. ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <georgetaylor68@...> wrote : I agree with pretty much all that you say in your response.
I find solace in how well Fox and crew have done with the first two prequels this decade. I just hope, as do you, that they keep up the magnificent work.
Nothing says that Taylor and crew have to be the only astronauts, by the way, as the 1974 television serial showed. Plus, how about some cryogenically preserved and eventually revived humans as plot-influencers? POTA is about more than mere anthropological development. It's SciFi with clashes of folks from different eras and such.
By the way, was it ever explained in Dawn where the Apes got the horses and learned to ride them? Caesar was a natural rider, I guess. He rode a horse in Rise, I think across the bridge if I'm remembering correctly. Perhaps riding horses isn't that hard. I didn't try, especially after (Superman) Christopher Reeves' paralyzing 1995 incident.
Incidentally, perhaps in this timeline Apes won't see fit to wear clothes.
A good weekend to all, from Houston... :-)
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Message: 73649 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: horses for courses |
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Reeves said they thought the horses wouldn't be a
problem, but they were, so most of the horses are CG. That's a testament to
WETA, because it never occurred to me the horses were CG. They were so good.
I guess the apes tamed the horses the way men
tamed wild horses when they first domesticated them. Presumably they were
domestic horses with nowhere to go when things went sour and the apes slowly
gathered them up on their trips outside the forest. Animals can adjust to a lot
if they get fed.
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:14 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn
and POTA (1968)?
I wondered about the horse question too. I'm not a cowboy, but I road a
hoarse a few times in my life, and didn't find it to hard. Of course these were
well trained friendly docile horses. A wild or unruly horse would be a totally
different matter. I don't see where there would be wild stallions roaming around
the Muir Woods, and I didn't see anything in the movie (or book) that showed the
apes having a stable or how they would feed and maintain horses, but surely they
were using them for some time. They were riding horses in the hunt scene. While
on the set, sometimes the horses would seem to be jittery and didn't always stay
very still. They reshot some scenes with Serkis straddling a step ladder like a
horse. Clearly the horses in New Orleans did not like the "ape" style of sitting
and riding. I really enjoyed watching Terry Notary (Rocket) doing his ape
movements when I was on set, so not to long ago I blew the dust off my POTA 2001
DVD just to watch the "ape school" and other "making of" features, and they
showed Notary (as Thade) doing all sorts of crazy mounts and dismounts and he
even was riding in this perched style, standing/squatting on the horse's back,
and that horse didn't seem to mind one bit. The horses in Arizona must like apes
a little more.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com,
<georgetaylor68@...> wrote :
I agree with pretty much all that you say in your
response.
I find solace in how well Fox and crew have done with the first two
prequels this decade. I just hope, as do you, that they keep up the
magnificent work.
Nothing says that Taylor and crew have to be the only astronauts, by the
way, as the 1974 television serial showed. Plus, how about some
cryogenically preserved and eventually revived humans as plot-influencers?
POTA is about more than mere anthropological development. It's
SciFi with clashes of folks from different eras and such.
By the way, was it ever explained in Dawn where the Apes got the horses and
learned to ride them? Caesar was a natural rider, I guess. He rode
a horse in Rise, I think across the bridge if I'm remembering correctly.
Perhaps riding horses isn't that hard. I didn't try, especially
after (Superman) Christopher Reeves' paralyzing 1995 incident.
Incidentally, perhaps in this timeline Apes won't see fit to wear clothes.
A good weekend to all, from Houston... :-) <.html |
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Message: 73650 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: horses for courses |
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I haven't read much of the novelization, but what I have read mentioned foraging for things in human communities, such as Koba's spear is actually a whaling harpoon he found someplace. Most horses in the US are domesticated, so the apes wouldn't have had a hard time finding them and even getting them use to be ridden by apes. What I find a little bit of a stretch is them keeping the horses. Ever try to keep a horse? It's a full time job, especially with a herd, and feeding them is very expensive. My question would be, how did the apes learn to cultivate and grow hay, or are the horses simply living off grass? If so, what do they do in winter? These are the kind of questions you don't ask. Just suspend disbelief.
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 27, 2014 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: horses for courses
Reeves said they thought the horses wouldn't be a
problem, but they were, so most of the horses are CG. That's a testament to
WETA, because it never occurred to me the horses were CG. They were so good.
I guess the apes tamed the horses the way men
tamed wild horses when they first domesticated them. Presumably they were
domestic horses with nowhere to go when things went sour and the apes slowly
gathered them up on their trips outside the forest. Animals can adjust to a lot
if they get fed.
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:14 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn
and POTA (1968)?
I wondered about the horse question too. I'm not a cowboy, but I road a
hoarse a few times in my life, and didn't find it to hard. Of course these were
well trained friendly docile horses. A wild or unruly horse would be a totally
different matter. I don't see where there would be wild stallions roaming around
the Muir Woods, and I didn't see anything in the movie (or book) that showed the
apes having a stable or how they would feed and maintain horses, but surely they
were using them for some time. They were riding horses in the hunt scene. While
on the set, sometimes the horses would seem to be jittery and didn't always stay
very still. They reshot some scenes with Serkis straddling a step ladder like a
horse. Clearly the horses in New Orleans did not like the "ape" style of sitting
and riding. I really enjoyed watching Terry Notary (Rocket) doing his ape
movements when I was on set, so not to long ago I blew the dust off my POTA 2001
DVD just to watch the "ape school" and other "making of" features, and they
showed Notary (as Thade) doing all sorts of crazy mounts and dismounts and he
even was riding in this perched style, standing/squatting on the horse's back,
and that horse didn't seem to mind one bit. The horses in Arizona must like apes
a little more.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com,
<georgetaylor68@...> wrote :
I agree with pretty much all that you say in your
response.
I find solace in how well Fox and crew have done with the first two
prequels this decade. I just hope, as do you, that they keep up the
magnificent work.
Nothing says that Taylor and crew have to be the only astronauts, by the
way, as the 1974 television serial showed. Plus, how about some
cryogenically preserved and eventually revived humans as plot-influencers?
POTA is about more than mere anthropological development. It's
SciFi with clashes of folks from different eras and such.
By the way, was it ever explained in Dawn where the Apes got the horses and
learned to ride them? Caesar was a natural rider, I guess. He rode
a horse in Rise, I think across the bridge if I'm remembering correctly.
Perhaps riding horses isn't that hard. I didn't try, especially
after (Superman) Christopher Reeves' paralyzing 1995 incident.
Incidentally, perhaps in this timeline Apes won't see fit to wear clothes.
A good weekend to all, from Houston... :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 73651 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: Re: horses for courses |
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As with the Ape City in the original, we have to
assume there's a part of the society we don't see. People had to learn how to
domesticate horses too, through trial and error before it became standardized.
The horses probably eat what's available, like the apes (and the humans).
There's enough apes to care for the horses.
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:38 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: horses for courses
I haven't read much of the
novelization, but what I have read mentioned foraging for things in human
communities, such as Koba's spear is actually a whaling harpoon he found
someplace. Most horses in the US are domesticated, so the apes wouldn't
have had a hard time finding them and even getting them use to be ridden by
apes. What I find a little bit of a stretch is them keeping the
horses. Ever try to keep a horse? It's a full time job, especially
with a herd, and feeding them is very expensive. My question would be, how
did the apes learn to cultivate and grow hay, or are the horses simply living
off grass? If so, what do they do in winter? These are the kind of
questions you don't ask. Just suspend disbelief.
-----Original
Message----- From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota]
<pota@yahoogroups.com> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
Sat, Sep 27, 2014 10:02 am Subject: Re: [pota] Re: horses for courses
Reeves said they thought the horses wouldn't be a
problem, but they were, so most of the horses are CG. That's a testament to
WETA, because it never occurred to me the horses were CG. They were so good.
I guess the apes tamed the horses the way men
tamed wild horses when they first domesticated them. Presumably they were
domestic horses with nowhere to go when things went sour and the apes slowly
gathered them up on their trips outside the forest. Animals can adjust to a lot
if they get fed.
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:14 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: What INTERESTING stuff could happen between Dawn
and POTA (1968)?
I wondered about the horse question too. I'm not a cowboy, but I road
a hoarse a few times in my life, and didn't find it to hard. Of course these
were well trained friendly docile horses. A wild or unruly horse would be a
totally different matter. I don't see where there would be wild stallions
roaming around the Muir Woods, and I didn't see anything in the movie (or book)
that showed the apes having a stable or how they would feed and maintain horses,
but surely they were using them for some time. They were riding horses in the
hunt scene. While on the set, sometimes the horses would seem to be jittery and
didn't always stay very still. They reshot some scenes with Serkis straddling a
step ladder like a horse. Clearly the horses in New Orleans did not like the
"ape" style of sitting and riding. I really enjoyed watching Terry Notary
(Rocket) doing his ape movements when I was on set, so not to long ago I blew
the dust off my POTA 2001 DVD just to watch the "ape school" and other "making
of" features, and they showed Notary (as Thade) doing all sorts of crazy mounts
and dismounts and he even was riding in this perched style, standing/squatting
on the horse's back, and that horse didn't seem to mind one bit. The horses in
Arizona must like apes a little more.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com,
<georgetaylor68@...> wrote :
I agree with pretty much all that you say in your
response.
I find solace in how well Fox and crew have done with the first two
prequels this decade. I just hope, as do you, that they keep up the
magnificent work.
Nothing says that Taylor and crew have to be the only astronauts, by the
way, as the 1974 television serial showed. Plus, how about some
cryogenically preserved and eventually revived humans as plot-influencers?
POTA is about more than mere anthropological development. It's
SciFi with clashes of folks from different eras and such.
By the way, was it ever explained in Dawn where the Apes got the horses and
learned to ride them? Caesar was a natural rider, I guess. He rode
a horse in Rise, I think across the bridge if I'm remembering correctly.
Perhaps riding horses isn't that hard. I didn't try, especially
after (Superman) Christopher Reeves' paralyzing 1995 incident.
Incidentally, perhaps in this timeline Apes won't see fit to wear clothes.
A good weekend to all, from Houston... :-)
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From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/27/2014 |
| Subject: William Windom was born on this day in 1923, Sunday, 28 September 20 |
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"William Windom was born on this day in 1923" reminder
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12:00 AM
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Message: 73653 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/28/2014 |
| Subject: The "Dawn" Patrol: $694 million |
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With "Dawn of the POTA" now at $694 million, $700
million seems assured. But Spidey ($708 million) and Capt. America ($714
million) might have the last laugh. "Dawn" feasted on the first "Hunger
Games".
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