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| Group: pota |
Message: 76062 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76063 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76064 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/1/2017 |
| Subject: The latest Transformers could indeed lose to War for the POTA domest |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76065 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: "Revelations" - "War" prequel novel |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76066 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: "Revelations" link |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76067 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76068 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Meaning |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76069 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Mean |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76070 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Mean |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76071 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: War for the POTA & China? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76072 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76073 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76074 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76075 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Gosh darn you all to heck! 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76076 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76077 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76078 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Gosh darn you all to heck! 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76079 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/4/2017 |
| Subject: POTA gets the nod in Redbox's online download launch... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76080 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA gets the nod in Redbox's online download launch... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76081 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 8/4/2017 |
| Subject: Rise of the Planet of the Apes premiered in this day in 2011, Saturd |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76082 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA gets the nod in Redbox's online download launch... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76083 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: "War" sends "Transformers" to the junk yard |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76084 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" sends "Transformers" to the junk yard |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76085 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76086 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Apes rules the planet |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76087 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76088 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" sends "Transformers" to the junk yard |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76089 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: WARmart |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76090 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Apes rules the planet |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76091 |
From: smugster2000 |
Date: 8/7/2017 |
| Subject: Monopoly |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76092 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/7/2017 |
| Subject: Mad Max-style sequel to War for the POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76093 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Monopoly |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76094 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ word v |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76095 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76096 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mad Max-style sequel to War for the POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76097 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76098 |
From: katanya6 |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76099 |
From: katanya6 |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: A Theory I have always had |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76100 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76101 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mad Max-style sequel to War for the POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76102 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Brad Pitt in a future Apes movie? As who, an astronaut? An Under |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76103 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76104 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76105 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76106 |
From: Saulo Adami |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Caesar's Last Days - By Saulo Adami / Vera Lucia Araujo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76107 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76108 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76109 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Maurice = Charlton Heston (spoiler) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76110 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76111 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: The end of "War" (spoiler |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76112 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Maurice = Charlton Heston (spoiler) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76113 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76114 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76115 |
From: smugster2000 |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Maurice = Charlton Heston (spoiler) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76116 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: New WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76117 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76118 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76119 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76120 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Simian Saturday on El Rey Network (nearly all day)... Here are the C |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76121 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: New WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76122 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76123 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76124 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: No more Spoilers |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76125 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No more Spoilers |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76126 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: New WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76127 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76128 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76129 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76130 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76131 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No more Spoilers |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76132 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76133 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76134 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: "War" tells "Cars 3" to pull over |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76135 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76136 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76137 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76138 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76139 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76140 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76141 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" tells "Cars 3" to pull over |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76142 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76143 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76144 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76145 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76146 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76147 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76148 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76149 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrative o |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76150 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76151 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Jaffa and Silver detail the creation of "Rise" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76152 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76153 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Jaffa and Silver correct link |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76154 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Jaffa and Silver correct link [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76155 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76156 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76157 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76158 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Anti-Tim Burton POTA (2001) folks will find this humorous... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76159 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76160 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76161 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76062 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks? |
.html
I think it's because Fox ended up picking a bad weekend to open it on, and the movie is kind of depressing, and I've just got the feeling the naked apes using sign language thing has gotten tired, but thankfully, this is the end of this era of APES, so let's just hope there's a revamp, but it'll be a while, I fear.
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 1, 2017 5:24 pm
Subject: [pota] Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks?
Might "Bad Ape" be partially responsible for War's comparatively less-than-Apocalyptic revenues and mere 5th place showing (adjusted for inflation) among the 9 Apes movies?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
Or might Bad Ape have been an asset, enabling kids to feel more engaged who would otherwise decline invitations to see the Apes and hopefully start liking the franchise?
Ewok or asset? You decide. :-)
Greetings from Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76063 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks? |
.html.html I think it's a tough call whether kids should even see "War" (which doesn't help the box office). If anything, Bad Ape is a relief for adults! He's one of the most celebrated characters in the movie. Plus it's a little early to count "War" out. It still has a lot of earning to do. As far as a Bad Ape spinoff, they are doing something like that with Transformers (which was also hit hard this summer, going from $1 billion last time to $600 millionish this time – "War" will probably beat it in the U.S.). Transformers is spinning off the "cute" character Bumblebee next year, so it does cross studio minds. But I see no evidence they are planning a Bad Ape spinoff. Matt Reeves' comments were taken out of context.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 12:37 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks?
Might "Bad Ape" be partially responsible for War's comparatively less-than-Apocalyptic revenues and mere 5th place showing (adjusted for inflation) among the 9 Apes movies?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
Or might Bad Ape have been an asset, enabling kids to feel more engaged who would otherwise decline invitations to see the Apes and hopefully start liking the franchise? Ewok or asset? You decide. :-) Greetings from Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76064 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/1/2017 |
| Subject: The latest Transformers could indeed lose to War for the POTA domest |
.htmlI see that you're spot-on, Jeff: The latest Transformers could indeed lose (domestically) to War for the POTA, revenue-wise: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=transformers5.htmThis episode of Transformers is on its final legs in U.S. theaters.
Now if only War can perform as well overseas. :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76065 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: "Revelations" - "War" prequel novel |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76066 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: "Revelations" link |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76067 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks? |
.html.html If you look at that chart, adjusted 4 inflation, POTA2001 is the top banana of all. Maybe Tim Burton should direct the next one. ; ) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 12:37 PM
To:
pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Is Bad Ape on par with the Ewoks? Might "Bad Ape" be partially responsible for War's comparatively less-than-Apocalyptic revenues and mere 5th place showing (adjusted for inflation) among the 9 Apes movies?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
Or might Bad Ape have been an asset, enabling kids to feel more engaged who would otherwise decline invitations to see the Apes and hopefully start liking the franchise?
Ewok or asset? You decide. :-) Greetings from Houston... <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76068 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Meaning |
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.html Before Burton's movie, the USA hadn't had an Apes movie in nearly 3 decades, or anything Ape in around 2.5. In some ways that might have been a disadvantage but evidently there was some serious "pent-up" demand. too. I saw the 2001 version 4 times in the theaters but I only saw the subsequent 3 prequels one time each at the cinema. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76069 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Mean |
.htmlWhich only makes me ponder your taste. After seeing Burton's movie once, I never wanted to put myself through that torture ever again.
As for "pent-up" demand, considering the almost universal negative critical opinion of Burton's movie, and the lukewarm-to-negative reception RISE was getting before anyone saw it, what these reboot movies have done for POTA's reputation has been a miracle. WAR may not be doing very well at the box office, but I think when it comes to DVD and Blu-ray there will be plenty of "pent-up" demand from those that skipped it theatrically and the entire trilogy should be a top seller this fall.
Which reminds me that I read of an October 10th release date for WAR on video. Either Fox really wants to get it's money back, or more likely it's in November.
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 10:12 am
Subject: [pota] Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Meaning?
Before Burton's movie, the USA hadn't had an Apes movie in nearly 3 decades, or anything Ape in around 2.5. In some ways that might have been a disadvantage but evidently there was some serious "pent-up" demand. too. I saw the 2001 version 4 times in the theaters but I only saw the subsequent 3 prequels one time each at the cinema.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76070 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Mean |
.html.html There's been no official blu-ray announcement so that wuz probably speculation. They usually hit in November but I'd go ape for October. That chart is just domestic. Nu Apes has done less domestic. Most of it's dough comes from foreign, while Burton's was literally half and half. POTA2001: dom - $180 million; for - $182 m. Rise: dom - $177 m.; for - $305 m. Dawn: dom - $209 m.; for - $502 m. War: dom - $120 m.; for - $106 m. (so far)
So far "War" is lagging behind domestically and will prob not catch up to the others. But it's just rolling up it's sleeves in foreign. Dom, dirty apes! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:23 AM
To:
pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Meaning? Which only makes me ponder your taste. After seeing Burton's movie once, I never wanted to put myself through that torture ever again.
As for "pent-up" demand, considering the almost universal negative critical opinion of Burton's movie, and the lukewarm-to-negative reception RISE was getting before anyone saw it, what these reboot movies have done for POTA's reputation has been a miracle. WAR may not be doing very well at the box office, but I think when it comes to DVD and Blu-ray there will be plenty of "pent-up" demand from those that skipped it theatrically and the entire trilogy should be a top seller this fall.
Which reminds me that I read of an October 10th release date for WAR on video. Either Fox really wants to get it's money back, or more likely it's in November.
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 10:12 am
Subject: [pota] Burton's POTA made the most money, adjusting for inflation. Meaning?
Before Burton's movie, the USA hadn't had an Apes movie in nearly 3 decades, or anything Ape in around 2.5. In some ways that might have been a disadvantage but evidently there was some serious "pent-up" demand. too. I saw the 2001 version 4 times in the theaters but I only saw the subsequent 3 prequels one time each at the cinema. <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76071 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: War for the POTA & China? |
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.html The latest Transformers reportedly made over $200 million in China. Might anyone have heard, yet, if War will even get released in China (where Dawn made over $100 million 3 years ago)? <.html
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Message: 76072 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
.html.html China is currently in "blackout" from Hollywood movies so their own movies can have the theaters. The only one I could find is Spider-man, which hits Sept. 8 after the blackout. If "War" is accepted (the government decides) it will probably arrive in September or October. But even if it plays, it might have a hard time since it will bring back bad memories for older Chinese! Please note: The Chinese government has lodged an official complaint against the above wisecrack. Sent from
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Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 11:45 AM
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Subject: [pota] War for the POTA & China?
The latest Transformers reportedly made over $200 million in China. Might anyone have heard, yet, if War will even get released in China (where Dawn made over $100 million 3 years ago)? <.html |
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Message: 76073 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76074 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
.html.html By the time they "banned" War it would be too late to help it. Besides, they reject movies all the time. China can do what they want. They get 75% of the take; studios get 25% of their own movies. Studio: That's not fair. China: You don't like? OK, we take Vin Diesel instead. Studio: Fine, we'll do it. That's why Mr. Trump isn't happy with them (sorry China, please take "War"!).
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Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:20 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] War for the POTA & China?
I wonder if Fox would be so daring as to use "banned in China" to War of the POTA's marketing advantage? Admittedly Fox needs China more than Fox needs for merely 1 film (War of the POTA) to pursue dubious marketing advantage at China's expense... But perhaps word-of-mouth could do the trick, as the Facebookosphere, Yahoogrouposphere, blogosphere and media take notice and spread the word of a Chinese boycott... <.html |
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Message: 76075 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Gosh darn you all to heck! 50 |
.html.html 50 years ago today (8/3/67) Charlton Heston had road rage against an invisible statue. Arguably (inarguably?) the most famous single moment in POTA history had trouble getting started thanx to fog. They couldn't start filming until after lunch. Then the conversations about what would be said. Fox wanted 3 versions for safety; Heston knew what had to be done and only shot one version, which has stumped television ever since (including AMC, which has given us gross zombies and Walter White, still can't get past two little words).
Heston: "I obviously prefer to shoot only the speech I wrote, since this is my only chance to put muscle behind that choice. Besides, it's the best. I can't believe the Code still forbids the use of "(censored!) damn you!" It's surely acceptable in the context of this speech; Taylor is literally calling on God to damn the destroyers of civilization". God damn, that was a good choice. The next year William Shatner intentionally screwed up a "safety" take on "Star Trek", giving television it's first interracial kiss ("Plato's Stepchildren"). Science fiction was doing it's part to open us up a little. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76076 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
.htmlIsn't WAR supposed to open in China in September? Thought I read that someplace.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 9:48 pm
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By the time they "banned" War it would be too late to help it. Besides, they reject movies all the time.
China can do what they want.
They get 75% of the take; studios get 25% of their own movies.
Studio: That's not fair.
China: You don't like? OK, we take Vin Diesel instead.
Studio: Fine, we'll do it.
That's why Mr. Trump isn't happy with them (sorry China, please take "War"!).
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:20 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] War for the POTA & China?
I wonder if Fox would be so daring as to use "banned in China" to War of the POTA's marketing advantage? Admittedly Fox needs China more than Fox needs for merely 1 film (War of the POTA) to pursue dubious marketing advantage at China's expense... But perhaps word-of-mouth could do the trick, as the Facebookosphere, Yahoogrouposphere, blogosphere and media take notice and spread the word of a Chinese boycott...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76077 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA & China? |
.html.html Just like the blu-rayz, nothing official yet. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 9:22 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: War for the POTA & China?
Isn't WAR supposed to open in China in September? Thought I read that someplace.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 9:48 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] War for the POTA & China? [1 Attachment]
By the time they "banned" War it would be too late to help it. Besides, they reject movies all the time. China can do what they want. They get 75% of the take; studios get 25% of their own movies. China: You don't like? OK, we take Vin Diesel instead. Studio: Fine, we'll do it.
That's why Mr. Trump isn't happy with them (sorry China, please take "War"!). Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:20 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] War for the POTA & China?
I wonder if Fox would be so daring as to use "banned in China" to War of the POTA's marketing advantage? Admittedly Fox needs China more than Fox needs for merely 1 film (War of the POTA) to pursue dubious marketing advantage at China's expense... But perhaps word-of-mouth could do the trick, as the Facebookosphere, Yahoogrouposphere, blogosphere and media take notice and spread the word of a Chinese boycott... <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76078 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Gosh darn you all to heck! 50 |
.htmlNow I'm starting to wonder what Waterboy's momma would've said in Taylor's shoes... Maybe:
"Dang yal. You belong with the Devil!"
"But at least there's plenty of high quality H20 nearby."
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76079 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/4/2017 |
| Subject: POTA gets the nod in Redbox's online download launch... |
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It'd be nicer to see still more POTA movies included but at least those 2 are up there. I've often read about how Netflix is dropping movies now and then, and that suggests to me that studios are charging too much to keep such movies in stock. Either Fox isn't behaving imprudently with its beloved POTA classics, or RedBox really respects our franchise and is paying just to show those 2 classic films. Hopefully they'll be glad that they did.
A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston...
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Message: 76080 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA gets the nod in Redbox's online download launch... |
.htmlI watched PLANET on Amazon Prime a few weeks ago because I was curious about the HD transfer. Strangely, it wasn't the same element used on either the Blu-ray or what Turner Classic Movies has shown (which is the best I've seen); it was something in-between. A few years ago, Netflix had PLANET, but it was an old, non-anamorphic transfer. Netflix has several classic Fox movies currently available, some fully letterboxed, others annoyingly pan&scan.
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From: George Taylor georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 4, 2017 6:47 am
Subject: [pota] POTA gets the nod in Redbox's online download launch...
It'd be nicer to see still more POTA movies included but at least those 2 are up there. I've often read about how Netflix is dropping movies now and then, and that suggests to me that studios are charging too much to keep such movies in st ock. Either Fox isn't behaving imprudently with its beloved POTA classics, or RedBox really respects our franchise and is paying just to show those 2 classic films. Hopefully they'll be glad that they did.
A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston...
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Message: 76081 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 8/4/2017 |
| Subject: Rise of the Planet of the Apes premiered in this day in 2011, Saturd |
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"Rise of the Planet of the Apes premiered in this day in 2011" reminder
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76082 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA gets the nod in Redbox's online download launch... |
.html.html Netflix rotates stuff so subscribers stay interested. They are probably too big and popular for companies to try to gouge them. It's just an added revenue stream. It's like China; they need Netflix more than Netflix needs them. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
It'd be nicer to see still more POTA movies included but at least those 2 are up there. I've often read about how Netflix is dropping movies now and then, and that suggests to me that studios are charging too much to keep such movies in stock. Either Fox isn't behaving imprudently with its beloved POTA classics, or RedBox really respects our franchise and is paying just to show those 2 classic films. Hopefully they'll be glad that they did.
A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston... <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76083 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: "War" sends "Transformers" to the junk yard |
.html.html "War 4 the POTA" has passed the latest installment of the once mighty "Transformers" franchise at the domestic box office with $130 million in the till. Worldwide, it opened much wider this week and is at $278 million, breathing down the neck of "Cars 3" ($286 million). Will the apes conquer our worst fears about it's future? I wuz thinking it might end up like the recent "Mad Max: Fury Road", another apocalyptic sequel: both had the same budget ($150 million), it was acclaimed (got a rare Best Picture nom), did $154 million domestic, $225 million foreign for $379 million worldwide. There was talk of a sequel but so far nothing. Right now "War" can only aspire to that but it ain't over 'til it's over.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76084 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" sends "Transformers" to the junk yard |
.htmlBeating a Transformers sequel is no small task. Hail Caesar! :-)
At this point, the meat of the revenues analysis for War will apparently be internationally oriented. The total figure of international revenues appears to be far larger than the sum of those listed country-by-country here:
It would seem that War's international box office revenues are therefore up-to-date, so that War still hasn't brought in the $300 million that are reportedly needed to cover production (albeit non-marketing) costs. I have been told in the past that production costs tend to be inflated, since they only apply in full form IF certain revenue goals are reached and actors thereby receive more as compensation. The system's intended to incentivize actors' both making media appearances supporting the film AND staying out of unflattering trouble like Johnny Depp's divorce around a year ago right as a major budget motion picture release with him flopped domestically (but still thrived internationally).
Anyhow Dawn made over $25 million in neighboring Mexico, by the way. During the opening weekend there (last weekend) War appears to have made $6 million.
Meanwhile Dawn brought in over $100 million in China (while they kept around 75% in China, as Jeff has keenly mentioned). It remains to be seen if China will show War though. But aren't Apes rather cherished in some regions of the South Pacific or at least of Southeast Asia? Would the Chinese govt. risk popular backlash by not allowing War to enter China then? Well, they haven't let Facebook take root there either so I guess they're not too concerned about such Simian-related sensibilities. Perhaps Kim Jong Un's being nudged into his missile-launching antics by neighboring China in order to encourage more folks to stop getting in the Chinese government's way. Or maybe Kim's an Apes fan (not just a Dennis Rodman fan) and is trying to inspire Fox to embrace nuclear fears and ultimately pay James handsomely for the script rights to an eventual Underdwellers of the Planet of the Apes spinoff prequel.
We shall see.
Wishing you well during what's let of the weekend, from Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76085 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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Starting Saturday August 12th at 6AM. A four hour block of RETURN, followed by a full run of all five movies then a repeat of the first four, then a 1 hour block of RETURN, then episodes from the TV series all day Sunday, followed by ANOTHER run of four movies (the first three plus BATTLE), and wrapping up with a 90 minute block of RETURN. I know people get upset with commercials or caught up in format (letterbox vs pan & scan), which remastered version is being shown etc etc, but even if you have the TV on as background noise this is the kind of thing that should be supported with viewership. Besides, how often are you going to have the opportunity to actually watch RETURN on a Saturday morning? Hasn't happened since El Rey was broadcasting it (along with Journey to the Center of the Earth) last September, and prior to that you'd have to go back 41 years. So forget about everything for a few hours and just enjoy Apes for the sake of enjoying
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76086 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Apes rules the planet |
.html.html "War" wuz #1 in each of the 14 markets it opened in this week, including France, Brazil and Germany. In fact it was the #1 Hollywood movie in the international market this week with $148 million total so far (per Deadline.com). $278 million worldwide. It still has South Korea (Aug. 15), China (Sept. 15) and Japan (Oct. 13). "Rise" did $30 million in China and $30 million in Japan. "Dawn" did $107 million in China and $12 million in Japan. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76087 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
.htmlReturn to the POTA on a Saturday morning? Wow, brings back memories from I believe it was 1976. 41 years ago, just like you just wrote. Thanks for sharing the info.
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Message: 76088 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" sends "Transformers" to the junk yard |
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The next POTA movie will be the sequel to MAD MAX: FURY ROAD. I'll bet that's the kind of approach the suits at Fox will want, some kind of action/adventure, post-apocalyptic desert world craziness with carnivorous gorillas.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 6, 2017 12:40 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" sends "Transformers" to the junk yard
"War 4 the POTA" has passed the latest installment of the once mighty "Transformers" franchise at the domestic box office with $130 million in the till.
Worldwide, it opened much wider this week and is at $278 million, breathing down the neck of "Cars 3" ($286 million). Will the apes conquer our worst fears about it's future?
I wuz thinking it might end up like the recent "Mad Max: Fury Road", another apocalyptic sequel: both had the same budget ($150 million), it was acclaimed (got a rare Best Picture nom), did $154 million domestic, $225 million foreign for $379 million worldwide. There was talk of a sequel but so far nothing. Right now "War" can only aspire to that but it ain't over 'til it's over.
boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=planetoftheapes16.htm
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Message: 76089 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: WARmart |
.html.html If you are in the market for a Fox video you might want to check your local Walmart (heard of them?). Right now they have a "War" display with videos that include 4 "War 4" collectible cards. Dvds, blu-rays or the new 4K (Rise and Dawn) of the Apes movies or other Fox flicks (I got the Oscar-winning "The Revenant"). Look 4 the display and the sticker on the package. The cards are blu-ray size illustrations: - Close-up of Caesar: "I showed you mercy"
- Ape with a bow and arrow: "War has begun"
- The apes riding on the beach: "Apes together strong"
- The poster picture (illustrated) of Caesar on the horse: "I did not start this war".
On the back the cards can be put together to show Caesar in 4 stages from infant to "War". Sez: "Evolution Becomes Revolution" (catchy, huh?). But you don't have to collect them, they're all in one dvd. The original POTA blu-ray is only $6. It also comes with a ticket to "War" worth $7.50. You're actually making a profit if you see the movie. Even Donald Trump would tell you it's a good deal. Sent from Mail
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76090 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Apes rules the planet |
.htmlWow, thanks for sharing that perspective. War should have legs then, globally speaking. I wonder why Dawn reportedly did so much worse than Rise in Japan. Maybe because Dawn was about Koba and perhaps even nuclear fallout. The latter scenario might be a sticky subject for Japan, and uniquely so. And the former's about how one can have to repay one's victims later (or pray that one can surmount them). The Japanese reportedly haven't even apologized to comfort women yet... let alone injustices to animals and such.
Maybe Japan will like War better?
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Message: 76091 |
From: smugster2000 |
Date: 8/7/2017 |
| Subject: Monopoly |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76092 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/7/2017 |
| Subject: Mad Max-style sequel to War for the POTA |
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If Fox somehow opts for a Mad Max-style (rather directionless) sequel to War for the POTA, I think it'd be as (un)popular with traditional fans as Sam Hamm's proposed manuscript for a POTA rebooting was suspected as potentially being (so it wasn't made). Here's that manuscript:
POTA appeals to folks in considerable part because of its meaningful messages. But you already know this so I figure that either you've lost faith in Fox's judgment, or you figure (possibly correctly) that audiences are fatigued with meaningful films about apes (at least for now).
At any rate, I'm glad that the post-2000 films have been good. I enjoyed the Mark Wahberg version to an extent, by the way, which you did not. We agree to disagree. But I agree that it had some cheesy scenes, which Burton inserted intentionally and his doing so boosted the film's broad-sweeping appeal. He revived the franchise and helped pave the way for the trilogy which has been very well done, at least for the most part.
Regards from Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76093 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Monopoly |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76094 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ word v |
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Will the next Apes prequel or sequel feature Maurice? Didn't Maurice speak in Charlton Heston's voice in "War", especially when saying Nova? Will Maurice become leader or might Rocket (who apparently survived) rise to the occasion? When and where will the lawgiver emerge in the prequels' timeline? Still not until hundreds of years later? Will there still be a Forbidden Zone? Who will launch the nuclear or other weapons that could make that emerge? And will there be Underdwellers, with an Alpha Omega bomb?
Stay tuned... :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76095 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
.htmlSomeone at El Rey's Facebook page here at their POTA announcement for this Saturday is recommending that El Rey's entire programming staff all be fired for the lousy selection of programming:
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76096 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mad Max-style sequel to War for the POTA |
.html.html Mad Max is box office poison so the studios aren't going to tailor (Taylor?) their movies to it. I've been a Mad Max film since "Road Warrior". To me the Mad Max movies were my Apes movies of the '80's (apocalyptic, well made, good writing and performances). They were great independent movies. But I remember when they tried to make them bigger with "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome"; it didn't work. It's like horror movies. They can be iconic but they have a certain audience it won't go past. "Mad Max: Fury Road", I loved it, that doesn't mean Apes should be that way or that Fox would want to (yes, I assume Rory was kidding). I loved it when "Fury Road" got a Best Picture nomination. And every sci-fi fan should've too.
I think "War" has every chance of getting a Best picture nomination. If it wins it would be the first sci-fi movie ever. That's Fantasyland but you never know. I think it deserves it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 7:13 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Mad Max-style sequel to War for the POTA
If Fox somehow opts for a Mad Max-style (rather directionless) sequel to War for the POTA, I think it'd be as (un)popular with traditional fans as Sam Hamm's proposed manuscript for a POTA rebooting was suspected as potentially being (so it wasn't made). Here's that manuscript: POTA appeals to folks in considerable part because of its meaningful messages. But you already know this so I figure that either you've lost faith in Fox's judgment, or you figure (possibly correctly) that audiences are fatigued with meaningful films about apes (at least for now).
At any rate, I'm glad that the post-2000 films have been good. I enjoyed the Mark Wahberg version to an extent, by the way, which you did not. We agree to disagree. But I agree that it had some cheesy scenes, which Burton inserted intentionally and his doing so boosted the film's broad-sweeping appeal. He revived the franchise and helped pave the way for the trilogy which has been very well done, at least for the most part. <.html |
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Message: 76097 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
.html.html I don't think Maurice's voice wuz Heston's. But certainly I wuz thinking of a scene in "Beneath". People are askin': a Maurice movie? A Bad Ape movie? A Cornelius (Caesar's son) movie? No! The box office is why we can't have good things. The next movie will be set in the future when apes are apes and the downtrodden humans can be sexy stars. Oliver Stone will decide. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Will the next Apes prequel or sequel feature Maurice? Didn't Maurice speak in Charlton Heston's voice in "War", especially when saying Nova? Will Maurice become leader or might Rocket (who apparently survived) rise to the occasion? When and where will the lawgiver emerge in the prequels' timeline? Still not until hundreds of years later? Will there still be a Forbidden Zone? Who will launch the nuclear or other weapons that could make that emerge? And will there be Underdwellers, with an Alpha Omega bomb? <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76098 |
From: katanya6 |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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.html Keep wondering if in an alternate time line Zira and Cornelius gave birth the the leader Caesar and then Caesar and Lisa actually gave birth to the Original Cornelius causing a continual time loop in which Cornelius is the leader Ceasar's dad and Caesar is Also his own father's dad? Going back to the speech the human made about a painter creating himself?? <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76099 |
From: katanya6 |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: A Theory I have always had |
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.html Keep wondering if in an alternate time line Zira and Cornelius gave birth the the leader Caesar and then Caesar and Lisa actually gave birth to the Original Cornelius causing a continual time loop in which Cornelius is the leader Ceasar's dad and Caesar is Also his own father's dad? Going back to the speech the human made about a painter creating himself?? I always wondered if that is what the writer was trying to get at with that speech in Escape? Something to consider?? Wonder if they will remake Escape too?? It kind of altered the history from the original scrolls?? <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76100 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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The next movie will be set in the future when apes are apes and the downtrodden humans can be sexy stars.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 9, 2017 12:37 am
Subject: RE: [pota] Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ word vocabulary...
I don't think Maurice's voice wuz Heston's. But certainly I wuz thinking of a scene in "Beneath".
People are askin': a Maurice movie? A Bad Ape movie? A Cornelius (Caesar's son) movie?
No! The box office is why we can't have good things. The next movie will be set in the future when apes are apes and the downtrodden humans can be sexy stars. Oliver Stone will decide.
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Will the next Apes prequel or sequel feature Maurice? Didn't Maurice speak in Charlton Heston's voice in "War", especially when saying Nova? Will Maurice become leader or might Rocket (who apparently survived) rise to the occasion? When and where will the lawgiver emerge in the prequels' timeline? Still not until hundreds of years later? Will there still be a Forbidden Zone? Who will launch the nuclear or other weapons that could make that emerge? And will there be Underdwellers, with an Alpha Omega bomb?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76101 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mad Max-style sequel to War for the POTA |
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"Mad Max: Fury Road", I loved it, that doesn't mean Apes should be that way or that Fox would want to (yes, I assume Rory was kidding).
I see this as another trilogy that at its conclusion would see the coming of The Lawgiver to give order to the chaos and class struggles and finally deal with the question of "can Man be tamed" -- and we know the answer to that.
Also, I don't think WAR will be nominated for Best Picture, and if it were that it would win. If Fox had waited and released this movie around Thanksgiving -- and maybe now they wish they had -- I might say it had a chance, but I think by Oscar time the movie will only be remembered in technical nominations for its CGI. The score might get nominated.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
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Mad Max is box office poison so the studios aren't going to tailor (Taylor?) their movies to it.
I've been a Mad Max film since "Road Warrior". To me the Mad Max movies were my Apes movies of the '80's (apocalyptic, well made, good writing and performances). They were great independent movies. But I remember when they tried to make them bigger with "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome"; it didn't work. It's like horror movies. They can be iconic but they have a certain audience it won't go past.
"Mad Max: Fury Road", I loved it, that doesn't mean Apes should be that way or that Fox would want to (yes, I assume Rory was kidding). I loved it when "Fury Road" got a Best Picture nomination. And every sci-fi fan should've too.
I think "War" has every chance of getting a Best picture nomination. If it wins it would be the first sci-fi movie ever. That's Fantasyland but you never know. I think it deserves it.
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Message: 76102 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Brad Pitt in a future Apes movie? As who, an astronaut? An Under |
.htmlBrad Pitt (a lifelong POTA fan) in a future Apes movie? As who, a returning astronaut? An Underdweller? A tribal warrior? Regardless, the guy can act...as we saw in 12 Monkeys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_U2xXb9VI
AND he can fight, as we saw in Troy...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76103 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
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2000 years of time between their generations, though.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 9, 2017 2:04 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ word vocabulary...
Keep wondering if in an alternate time line Zira and Cornelius gave birth the the leader Caesar and then Caesar and Lisa actually gave birth to the Original Cornelius causing a continual time loop in which Cornelius is the leader Ceasar's dad and Caesar is Also his own father's dad? Going back to the speech the human made about a painter creating himself??
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Message: 76104 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ wo |
.html.html Just say no to time loops! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ word vocabulary...
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Sent: Wed, Aug 9, 2017 2:04 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had a 150+ word vocabulary...
Keep wondering if in an alternate time line Zira and Cornelius gave birth the the leader Caesar and then Caesar and Lisa actually gave birth to the Original Cornelius causing a continual time loop in which Cornelius is the leader Ceasar's dad and Caesar is Also his own father's dad? Going back to the speech the human made about a painter creating himself?? <.html |
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Message: 76105 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.html.html The original POTA movie finished principal photography 50 years ago today (8/10/67). It ended where it begins (a time loop!) with the film's opening scene. As Heston said in his diary: "An ideal kind of scene for any actor… everybody else lay mute and motionless while I had all the words. More than 3 minutes of them, for that matter, and they were pretty well worked out… We did two different masters on it, then the usual coverage. I think it's good. I think the picture will be, too. It'll certainly be different. If the social comment comes off as well as the wild adventure, we may get some attention". 50 years later POTA is still getting attention so it must have worked.
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Message: 76106 |
From: Saulo Adami |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Caesar's Last Days - By Saulo Adami / Vera Lucia Araujo |
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Saulo Adami
Translation by Vera Lucia Araujo
Finished fighting the good fight, weapons at rest, a place of peace found after the epic crossing of the desert that splits apart the human civilization from the simian one. Caesar (Andy Serkis) kept his promise of ending the war against the humans, a war he hadn't begun. His decision made of the movie "War for the Planet of the Apes" (2017), by Matt Reeves, the best of the new franchise, which led some reviewers to compare it with "Planet of the Apes" (1968) by Franklin J. Schaffner – what is a bit of a stretch, considering that the classic one has a more consistent screenplay, conferring three-dimensional aspects to the characters and covering issues like religion, politics and Cold War among other peculiarities of the 1960's, including the atomic weapons threat.
Several references to the classic and its four sequences produced from 1970 to 1973 are found in this final episode: in Colonel's lines (Woody Harrelson) who quotes excerpts from Governor Breck's speeches (Don Murray); when we hear Taylor's voice (Charlton Heston) in Maurice's mouth (Karin Konoval) teaching Nova (Amiah Miller) to spell her own name….
A movie full of action, adventures and emotion better dosed than in "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" (2011), by Rupert Wyatt as well as "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" (2014), by Matt Reeves. Since its premiere in USA it has drawn to exhibition rooms multitudes of fans, defying the saying that sequences have not the power of the first episode. Produced at the cost of US$ 150 million, it made US$ 234 million in 29 days of exhibition. Brazil's premiere was set for August 3, last Thursday, to which I attended at Cine Gracher, in Brazil, invited by Carlos Burigo.
The movie tells the end of Caesar's trajectory, who was born right after the execution of his mother captured in Africa and used as a laboratory animal in an American laboratory for testing the drug ALZ 112, supposed to cure Alzheimer's disease. This was the starting point for the first episode. The baby ape's life was saved by one of the laboratory scientists, who took him home and brought him up in a residential neighborhood in San Francisco, CA, until the day Caesar injures a neighbor, while defending the confused scientist's father. As a consequence, he is sent to an animal shelter. There Caesar led a spectacular escape into the woods thus starting his new story.
Andy Serkis was a kid when the Caesar performed by Roddy McDowall arrived to the screens in two movies directed by John Lee Thompson: "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" (1972) and "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" (1973). These were the final episodes of the Apes Saga that began with three other productions: "Planet of the Apes" (1968), directed by Shaffner; "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" (1970), directed by Ted Post; "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" (1971), directed by Don Taylor. The Ape Saga was produced by Arthur P. Jacobs inspired by Pierre Boulle's book published in Paris in 1963. Screenplays by Rod Serling, Michael Wilson, Paul Dehn, John William and Joyce Hooper Corrington told in five films the life trajectory of three characters: animal psychologist Dr. Zira (Kim Hunter), and archeologist Cornelius and their son Caesar (both performed by McDowall).
"Dawn of the Planet of the Apes" shows Caesar's life as well as of his fellow creatures in the forest, confronted by Koba (Toby Kebbell), who wants revenge from humans who mistreated him in the past. This is a more introspective episode that shows Caesar's maturing and his strong link with orangutan Maurice. While Caesar tries to live together with his fellow creatures, Koba provokes the wrath of surviving humans from simian flu, who, in their turn, call forth help from military forces in order to exterminate the apes.
The main war is the battle Caesar bears with himself. He wants to avenge the execution of his mate and older son, made victims by the human Colonel. A lot of human soldiers show up in the film; most of battle scenes could be tossed aside; Bad Ape (Steve Zahn) should be developed further. Are these signs that a new series or new movies are in the way? Because while apes evolve and get organized as fellow creatures, humans regress and destroy themselves for not being able to peacefully live together with their dissimilar. Equal to the majority of the Ape Saga viewers. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76107 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.htmlPLANET OF THE APES was really Heston's last great picture, one of the triad of Heston films that nearly everyone sees at some time in their lives, the other two being THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and BEN-HUR. Sadly, Heston's best movies as the lead were behind him after PLANET. It's too bad he couldn't have segued into a new phase of his career as a character actor, I think he would have been a good one, but ol' "Charley Hero" just couldn't give it up trying to maintain his movie star self.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 10:46 am
Subject: [pota] "That's a wrap!" 50
The original POTA movie finished principal photography 50 years ago today (8/10/67). It ended where it begins (a time loop!) with the film's opening scene.
As Heston said in his diary: "An ideal kind of scene for any actor… everybody else lay mute and motionless while I had all the words. More than 3 minutes of them, for that matter, and they were pretty well worked out… We did two different masters on it, then the usual coverage. I think it's good. I think the picture will be, too. It'll certainly be different. If the social comment comes off as well as the wild adventure, we may get some attention".
50 years later POTA is still getting attention so it must have worked.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76108 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
.htmlNow, this is a comic crossover I'm going to have to get.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/kong-planet-apes-exclusive-first-look-comic-mini-series/
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76109 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Maurice = Charlton Heston (spoiler) |
.html.html I keep hearing people say that Maurice's (the orangutan) voice is Charlton Heston's. I've seen no evidence for that. When he says, "You are No-va", etc. that is reminiscent of "Beneath" (probably meant to be) but that doesn't mean it's Heston's voice. Again, if that were true we probably would've heard about it. It would be a good promotional hook for the movie. BUT, given that, I'll say that Maurice talking was one of the most emotional moments for me in the movie. Maurice has been there for Caesar from the first movie but always with sign language.
Maurice actually talking was a big moment and really for me was the indicator of the future. Some might complain that the virus was too obvious to do EVERYTHING (give the apes intelligence, make the humans mute) but it's really no different than blaming everything on nuclear war. In the end the virus is more believable. So Maurice does give a Hestonesque "you are Nova" but he also is there at the end and there are definitely no Heston lines. I won't say what happens but Maurice is the soul of the final scene and to credit that to Heston is unfair. Whoever did Maurice's voice (maybe the actress who played Maurice? No word yet) deserve the credit. It wasn't Heston. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76110 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
.html.html I just think it's sad that at this point the only way to do a POTA comic is to do a crossover. POTA just isn't popular enough. People don't see what it has to offer. Probably why Donald Trump is president. FYI: This was a "fake e-mail". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:42 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Have you ever heard of Kong? Now, this is a comic crossover I'm going to have to get.
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/kong-planet-apes-exclusive-first-look-comic-mini-series/ <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76111 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: The end of "War" (spoiler |
.html.html So where do they end up? I haven't read the novel (if there's an answer there). Is it New York? Judging how it sets up the original movie I would assume so. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76112 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Maurice = Charlton Heston (spoiler) |
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It did sound like a disguised Heston loop to me, but from PLANET, not BENEATH. We'll know when we get the Blu-ray.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 2:07 pm
Subject: [pota] Maurice = Charlton Heston (spoiler)
I keep hearing people say that Maurice's (the orangutan) voice is Charlton Heston's. I've seen no evidence for that. When he says, "You are No-va", etc. that is reminiscent of "Beneath" (probably meant to be) but that doesn't mean it's Heston's voice. Again, if that were true we probably would've heard about it. It would be a good promotional hook for the movie.
BUT, given that, I'll say that Maurice talking was one of the most emotional moments for me in the movie. Maurice has been there for Caesar from the first movie but always with sign language.
Maurice actually talking was a big moment and really for me was the indicator of the future. Some might complain that the virus was too obvious to do EVERYTHING (give the apes intelligence, make the humans mute) but it's really no different than blaming everything on nuclear war. In the end the virus is more believable.
So Maurice does give a Hestonesque "you are Nova" but he also is there at the end and there are definitely no Heston lines. I won't say what happens but Maurice is the soul of the final scene and to credit that to Heston is unfair. Whoever did Maurice's voice (maybe the actress who played Maurice? No word yet) deserve the credit. It wasn't Heston.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76113 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
.html.html What did you think about "Kong: Skull Island"? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:42 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Have you ever heard of Kong?
Now, this is a comic crossover I'm going to have to get. http://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/kong-planet-apes-exclusive-first-look-comic-mini-series/ <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76114 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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I've got to admit that the recent spate of PotA cross overs haven't really been very good for my own tastes and when it comes to PotA I'm usually the least critical of fans and just eat up the bad along with the good. But the Star Trek, Tarzan and Green Lanterns cross overs seems kludgy at best and with nothing of substance to back them up. So I'm finding myself only mildly enthusiastic about this latest announcement despite it being Kong this time and that being one of the more obvious cross overs.
I seem to recall a discussion on these threads about Kong as a well suited cross over many, many years ago.
I guess I'll just cross my fingers on this one. Magno did have some very detailed artwork in the first Boom run although the choice for wardrobe was more questionable.
P.S.: I wonder if the Ed Gross who wrote this article is the same Ed Gross who co-authored the PotA Revisited book? Dario
On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:42 AM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Now, this is a comic crossover I'm going to have to get.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76115 |
From: smugster2000 |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Maurice = Charlton Heston (spoiler) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76116 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: New WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA |
.html.html A new WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA:
The 3D version of War for the POTA was worth the theater visit for me. Home theaters will have a tough time replicating that for possible future releases. Theaters may very well remain as viable businesses, if they adapt prudently.
A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston... :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76117 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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What did you think about "Kong: Skull Island"?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76118 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
.html.html I've been getting them all mostly because the covers have been great. Don't care for any of the stories...plus the interior artwork in the Star Trek CO was fantastic. but I agree, why can't we just get Apes by themselves. ???? I'll definitely get the Kong series... Tim On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Dario dario.sciola@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I've got to admit that the recent spate of PotA cross overs haven't really been very good for my own tastes and when it comes to PotA I'm usually the least critical of fans and just eat up the bad along with the good. But the Star Trek, Tarzan and Green Lanterns cross overs seems kludgy at best and with nothing of substance to back them up. So I'm finding myself only mildly enthusiastic about this latest announcement despite it being Kong this time and that being one of the more obvious cross overs.
I seem to recall a discussion on these threads about Kong as a well suited cross over many, many years ago.
I guess I'll just cross my fingers on this one. Magno did have some very detailed artwork in the first Boom run although the choice for wardrobe was more questionable.
P.S.: I wonder if the Ed Gross who wrote this article is the same Ed Gross who co-authored the PotA Revisited book? Dario
On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:42 AM, " Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Now, this is a comic crossover I'm going to have to get.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76119 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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why can't we just get Apes by themselves. ???? Simple.
Human lack of imagination and originality.
We're on the decline as a species.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76120 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/11/2017 |
| Subject: Simian Saturday on El Rey Network (nearly all day)... Here are the C |
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@migos:
As previously discussed, it's Simian Saturday (Aug. 12) nearly all day on El Rey Network:
***COMCAST Canal: 237
***DIRECTV Canal: 341
***DISH Canal: 253
For more info:
Have fun! :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76121 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: New WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA |
.html.html Can't read the article unless you're a subscriber. Was it good? Sent from Mail for Windows 10
A new WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA: The 3D version of War for the POTA was worth the theater visit for me. Home theaters will have a tough time replicating that for possible future releases. Theaters may very well remain as viable businesses, if they adapt prudently. A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston... :-) <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76122 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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A typical response from the Ritalin-addled brain of today's millennial.
"But...but... I always got a participation trophy even when I
failed miserably and that means everything is really all about me, so
why can't you change your programming to something that **I** want to see. What
you have on is **boring** and everyone involved should be fired because they
aren't doing what I want them to and... wait. Look!! The Fate of the Furious
just came out on DVD lolz!!!!".
If they actually watched the first episode of RETURN and saw how it
ended on a cliffhanger, there'd probably be a little Scanners action going on
across America. This wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, mind you...
Chris L.
georgetaylor68 wrote:
>>Someone at El Rey's Facebook page here at their POTA announcement
for this Saturday is recommending that El Rey's entire programming staff all be
fired for the lousy selection of programming:
https://www.facebook.com/ElReyNetwork/photos/a.255212897916480.46163.255001614604275/1135501966554231/?type=3&theater
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Message: 76123 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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You're very welcome, and I certainly hope that everyone on this list will
tune into El Rey at some point over the course of the next two days...
RETURN actually premiered in 1975, although it more than likely ran through
September 1976 in reruns until the new slate of Saturday morning programs
premiered on NBC that year.
Chris L.
georgetaylor68 wrote:
>>Return to the POTA on a Saturday morning? Wow, brings back memories
from I believe it was 1976. 41 years ago, just like you just wrote. Thanks for
sharing the info. <<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76124 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: No more Spoilers |
.htmlWell it has been almost a month since War opened so it is time to lift the ban on spoilers in the group. Anyone who hasn't seen the film at this point should go today.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76125 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No more Spoilers |
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Spoiler alert:
Things don't end too well for the humans...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76126 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: New WSJ article on cinema losses features POTA |
.htmlThe article analyzes how folks aren't going to the cinema like they used to. It also touches upon the possibility that future movies might get released on pay-per-download weeks after cinematic releases, instead of months. The new POTA franchise looks great in 3D though so we'll see where that goes.
Meanwhile the article cites War for the POTA as one of the summer's box office revenue disappointments, and includes a large photo of Maurice & Nova. |
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Message: 76127 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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Presently Sunday has POTA 1968 on most of the day. Is that a typo?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76128 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.htmlBy "we did 2 masters on it, then the usual coverage".... what is he saying? I can guess that Mr. Heston meant that they did 3 takes, forcing him to repeat that scene at least 3 times. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76129 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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Presently Sunday has POTA 1968 on most of the day. Is that a typo?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76130 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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By "we did 2 masters on it, then the usual coverage".... what is he saying? I can guess that Mr. Heston meant that they did 3 takes, forcing him to repeat that scene at least 3 times.
And remember, this is weeks after the opening scene was shot where the astronauts awake, find the dead Stewart, and the ship's cabin is flooded. After that was shot, then Heston could shave his beard and the scenes at the cave, in the cave, and the trek up the beach and final could be shot. The opening interior scene in the spaceship had to wait to the last because only then could Heston also cut his hair short.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76131 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No more Spoilers |
.html.html No, he's talking about POTA, not the nightly news… Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2017 10:41 AM
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Subject: [pota] Re: No more Spoilers
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76132 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76133 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.htmlGeorge Lucas has periodically updated the special effects in Star Wars (etc.). Why didn't they do something similar with POTA 1968 so that what Col. Taylor saw through the window in space would appear more realistic? Same goes for their crash landing minutes later. It sounds like a jet (which I'm fine with) but it looked kinda stale on the big screen, relative to today's standards. I guess that's what remakes are for...
:-)
Tron Legacy had Jeff Bridges' younger self play a key role, using motion capture technology (or the like). My guess is that it wouldn't be easy to do the same with Charlton Heston since he hasn't been around to post for 3D cameras. But they could conjure up something based on shots that they have of him from different films, right?
Should they do it that way? But then there's the voice problem. Unless his lines are exactly the same... and meanwhile they'd need someone with a similar voice to do additional lines.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76134 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: "War" tells "Cars 3" to pull over |
.html.html The latest box office figures are in and "War 4 the POTA" has hit $314 million worldwide. That's enough to pass "Cars 3" and tell "LEGO Batman" to LEGO of the higher spot. Domestically, it did $3 million this weekend, so it's days are numbered. It's at $137 million so it will probably pass $140 million; $150 million? That will be a toughy. But it will not pass either "Rise" ($177 m.) or "Dawn" ($209 m.) domestically. I think it has a shot of passing "Rise" worldwide ($482 m.) but definitely it was hoped for more. "Dawn" improved on "Rise" and it looked like the franchise was in the ascendancy but now it's going backwards (until the next one!).
Let's root 4 China to do good. At this point I'm just hoping it can do better than "Rise" ($482 m. worldwide) and "Kong: Skull Island" ($566 m. worldwide). Those seem 2 be realistic goals. "War" is slated to hit South Korea this week (the worst of times) so we'll see how it goes. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76135 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
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Theaters reportedly keep somewhere around half of the proceeds and meanwhile Fox spent some money MARKETING War, too.
Why did Fox stop updating its Facebook page that's dedicated to War for the POTA around July 30th, though? That's over 2 weeks ago:
In a few weeks, War's released in China (which Jeff has said keeps 75% of proceeds and returns merely 25% to Fox).
At least War's been profitable. A question lingers though: has it been profitable enough to inspire more prequels & sequels?
Prediction: YES. War still has plenty more money to make on t.v., DVD / Blu-Ray, streaming downloads and toys etc. And not just for War, either, but for those which preceded it which have sparked new interest thanks to War's own release. Our friend Haristas might not agree with me. :-)
Stay tuned...
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
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A question lingers though: has it been profitable enough to inspire more prequels & sequels?
Prediction: YES.
I agree, but it'll be a while. Fox has to find a new director, a new approach -- no more naked apes -- and probably a major star to attract attention.
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Message: 76137 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
.html.html Once again I'll say it won't be awhile. They've got producers eager to continue; they've got Andy Serkis eager to continue. "We'll wait and see" is a death knell for a franchise (RIP Mad Max). In the end it'll be what War's final box office total is and what they decide it means. "Let's go to apes with clothes. Bring in Oliver Stone". "Oliver Stone? He hasn't had a hit in … (counting on his fingers) 11 years!".
Chernin: "I don't give a (CENSORED!). Apes will carry him. He's a great filmmaker I've been pursuing for 25 years. A nd I want Ah-nuld too!" "Ah-nuld? He hasn't had a hit in …(counting on his fingers) 23 years. Are you sure? Chernin: "I'm sure!" Let's do this! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Subject: [pota] Re: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month...
A question lingers though: has it been profitable enough to inspire more prequels & sequels?
Prediction: YES.
I agree, but it'll be a while. Fox has to find a new director, a new approach -- no more naked apes -- and probably a major star to attract attention.
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From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
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Also, Cornelius (Caesar's son) is murdered by Aldo.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>2000 years of time between their generations, though.
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katanya6 wrote:
>>Keep wondering if in an alternate time line Zira and Cornelius gave
birth the the leader Caesar and then Caesar and Lisa actually gave birth to the
Original Cornelius causing a continual time loop in which Cornelius is the
leader Ceasar's dad and Caesar is Also his own father's dad? Going back to the
speech the human made about a painter creating himself??
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Message: 76139 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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What about Will Penny, which Heston always considered his favorite role?
Granted it was released only a week after Planet went into wide release on April
3rd, but it technically was released after PLANET was. And although I can't
speak for everyone, I hold both The Omega Man and Soylent Green in pretty high
regard. Speaking of which: http://iamlegendarchive.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html".
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>PLANET OF THE APES was really Heston's last great picture, one of
the triad of Heston films that nearly everyone sees at some time in their lives,
the other two being THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and BEN-HUR. Sadly, Heston's best
movies as the lead were behind him after PLANET. It's too bad he couldn't have
segued into a new phase of his career as a character actor, I think he would
have been a good one, but ol' "Charley Hero" just couldn't give it up trying to
maintain his movie star self. <<
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Message: 76140 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA has made its money back in less than a month... |
.htmlAh-nuld had a hit fairly recently, and thanks to the Chinese the Terminator series will CONTINUE to live on (reportedly). I, for one, enjoyed the most recent Terminator (which featured a star from Dawn of the POTA, if I remember correctly).
Meanwhile in my previous post I mentioned Matt Damon and Tom Cruise, but I forgot to mention Brad Pitt whom a member of our cherished group has said is a lifelong Apes fan. He did well in 12 Monkeys and in Troy, showing he can both act and fight. I didn't see Fight Club or Q.T.'s Inglorious Basterds (sp.).
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Message: 76141 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" tells "Cars 3" to pull over |
.htmlGone With The Wind came out during "the worst of times" too, and was widely embraced as a means of forgetting one's problems for a few hours.
Anyhow sequels tend to bring in about 2/3's of what the originals brought in. I'm not sure which movie would qualify as the "original" in War's case, but if it's Rise then War has done reasonably well. More is desired, of course, and our neighbors in Mexico are rising to the occasion and buying tickets for War (almost like they did for Dawn). We'll see how strong War's leg$ are. Hopefully enough to inspire more sequels & prequels.
Who should play the Taylor character though, Matt Damon? Tom Cruise? Both are agile and adventurous in their middle-age, and both know how to lose their tempers for the camera. Admittedly Taylor's picture was featured in Rise, but that detail's surmountable. Creating a Taylor without his authentic voice would conceivably seem rather fake, in ways for which there's no Tron Legacy backdrop to excuse it like we saw for Jeff Bridges' character. But Rogue One resurrected two characters, almost posthumously in Leia's case, and did a pretty good job. Stay tuned... :-) |
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Message: 76142 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.htmlMidway was quite good, too. I think it came out in '76. I had the privilege of seeing it on the Big Screen.
And let's not forget that Mr. Heston has a minor role in the hit True Lies, almost 2 decades later.
I didn't see Grey Lady Down, but it came out a bit later than Midway and might have been good.
Mr. Heston also played Chief Justice in an Outer Limits episode, and did well. :-)
Long live Charlton Heston's legacy! (Through us, especially). :-) |
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Message: 76143 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 8/13/2017 |
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Message: 76144 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
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What about Will Penny, which Heston always considered his favorite role?
Granted it was released only a week after Planet went into wide release on April
3rd, but it technically was released after PLANET was. And although I can't
speak for everyone, I hold both The Omega Man and Soylent Green in pretty high
regard. Speaking of which: http://iamlegendarchive.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html".
Chris L.
Anyway, I don't have very high regard for either THE OMEGA MAN or SOYLENT GREEN. They are quite muddled SF films. Heston would have other box office hits after PLANET, but nothing at the level of it.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 13, 2017 6:51 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "That's a wrap!" 50
What about Will Penny, which Heston always considered his favorite role? Granted it was released only a week after Planet went into wide release on April 3rd, but it technically was released after PLANET was. And although I can't speak for everyone, I hold both The Omega Man and Soylent Green in pretty high regard. Speaking of which: http://iamlegendarchive.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html".
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>PLANET OF THE APES was really Heston's last great picture, one of the triad of Heston films that nearly everyone sees at some time in their lives, the other two being THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and BEN-HUR. Sadly, Heston's best movies as the lead were behind him after PLANET. It's too bad he couldn't have segued into a new phase of his career as a character actor, I think he would have been a good one, but ol' "Charley Hero" just couldn't give it up trying to maintain his movie star self. <<
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Message: 76145 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.htmlMIDWAY, EARTHQUAKE, etc., all those "hit" films Heston was in back in the seventies are just that -- movies that Heston was "in" -- he wasn't really the star of them as he had been in his films of the '50s and '60s. He had a chance at one last hurrah in the seventies, as the star of a truly huge blockbuster, and he lazily said no to it -- THE OMEN. It was one of the most bitter regrets of his career. He himself said he really had needed such a hit at that point. Other films that Heston did star in back in the seventies, such as SKYJACKED, GREY LADY DOWN, THE AWAKENING, and THE MOUNTAIN MEN, are for me sad reminds of past glory.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 13, 2017 9:11 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "That's a wrap!" 50
Midway was quite good, too. I think it came out in '76. I had the privilege of seeing it on the Big Screen.
And let's not forget that Mr. Heston has a minor role in the hit True Lies, almost 2 decades later.
I didn't see Grey Lady Down, but it came out a bit later than Midway and might have been good.
Mr. Heston also played Chief Justice in an Outer Limits episode, and did well. :-)
Long live Charlton Heston's legacy! (Through us, especially). :-)
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Message: 76146 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.html.html I think Eric Greene said it well in "Behind the POTA" – POTA was kind of a summing up of his "heroic" roles and a warning that the complex times couldn't be saved by a hero. "The Charlton Heston character who could be counted on to save the day was in a much more precarious position". Heston was replaced by more down to Earth movie heroes - - - Dustin Hoffman, Harrison Ford, etc. Some credit Heston in "The Omega Man" of foreshadowing the Harrison Ford, Bruce Willis type of macho hero with a quip.
Classic Hollywood was changing, people weren't buying it. Musicals disappeared, "urban crime dramas" replaced the Western. A more cynical audience was born out of the '60's and '70's. The more innocent type of movie was past history. "Not while I live and breathe". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent:
Monday, August 14, 2017 8:51 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "That's a wrap!" 50
MIDWAY, EARTHQUAKE, etc., all those "hit" films Heston was in back in the seventies are just that -- movies that Heston was "in" -- he wasn't really the star of them as he had been in his films of the '50s and '60s. He had a chance at one last hurrah in the seventies, as the star of a truly huge blockbuster, and he lazily said no to it -- THE OMEN. It was one of the most bitter regrets of his career. He himself said he really had needed such a hit at that point. Other films that Heston did star in back in the seventies, such as SKYJACKED, GREY LADY DOWN, THE AWAKENING, and THE MOUNTAIN MEN, are for me sad reminds of past glory.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 13, 2017 9:11 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 Midway was quite good, too. I think it came out in '76. I had the privilege of seeing it on the Big Screen. And let's not forget that Mr. Heston has a minor role in the hit True Lies, almost 2 decades later. I didn't see Grey Lady Down, but it came out a bit later than Midway and might have been good.
Mr. Heston also played Chief Justice in an Outer Limits episode, and did well. :-) Long live Charlton Heston's legacy! (Through us, especially). :-) <.html |
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Message: 76147 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.htmlMr. Heston became more focused on being a team player as he aged and realized how he could be politically impactful working with others (especially with the NRA and CPAC). He portrayed a chief justice (a pinnacle in democracies) in an Outer Limits episode during the twilight of his career. I'm sure he didn't mind the relative scheduling flexibility that playing reduced role involvement allowed, too.
By the way, Midway did pretty well for the mid-70s:
Adjusting for inflation, it seems to have been on par with POTA '68.
He might not have been the attention-absorbing star that he was in prior movies, but he came reasonably close to it and even got a glorious ending (which I'll not spoil for you in case you haven't seen it). The soundtrack's available on Youtube and is well done.
Perhaps one could judge his career by the number of remakes and sequels that he inspired. The Awakening just had a Tom Cruise hit this summer. Meanwhile we know about Ben Hur(t) and Moses, as well as our beloved simian franchise. I'm not a fan of Shakespearean works so I'll leave them alone.
Another way to judge him is by how much airing his hits STILL get. He does quite well on that front too, 50+ years later. :-) What a guy.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76148 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "That's a wrap!" 50 |
.htmlLet's not forget Heston's other later film, "Planet of the Apes", the Burton debacle! How's that for a low point!
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Message: 76149 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrative o |
.htmlWhen adjusting for inflation, Tim Burton's version was the most commercially successful domestically: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htmIt helped fortify Mark Wahlberg's career, too. It helped that Charlton Heston had a cameo role in it, as did Linda Harrison.
Some have artistic disapproval with that version, as is their right. It was NOT a debacle, though. Arguably it paved the way not only for the subsequent trilogy, but also the revival of the potentially lost t.v. series (cartoons included).
Were there parts about the 2001 version with which I wasn't pleased? Yes. At least Tim Burton didn't utilize that TIRED pot-boiling formula of having two otherwise lonely men after a female lead character though. Star Wars and Avatar can't say the same, can they? I don't even go to the theater any more to see Star Wars releases. |
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Message: 76150 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
.htmlIt did not 'pave the way' for this trilogy. It delayed it by over a decade.
Fox poured everything into Burton's feature thinking they would be establishing a series of movies. While it did make money, it was not enough for the margins Hollywood expects for 'hits'. They count on the summer blockbusters as the insurance to offset all the lower budget movies that fail. Not bringing in the expected revenue soured Fox execs and combining that with the critical reception on top of the merchandising failure made Fox throw in the towel. There were a lot of factors that led to the failure and not all of it Burton's (unless we can blame him for not standing up to Fox having him start shooting while the script still needed work).
And I'm not here to bash the movie which I felt did bring some positive elements to the franchise. But some parts where terrible (Thade's complete breakdown for no good reason, that silly ending trying to top the '68 ending, etc., etc.) And it certainly did not 'pave the way' to what we have today. Dario |
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Message: 76151 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Jaffa and Silver detail the creation of "Rise" |
.html.html Here's the Q & A podcast from Dec. 2011. A good listen for those who want the skinny on how the Nu Apes got their start. theq&apodcast.com/2011 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 It did not 'pave the way' for this trilogy. It delayed it by over a decade.
Fox poured everything into Burton's feature thinking they would be establishing a series of movies. While it did make money, it was not enough for the margins Hollywood expects for 'hits'. They count on the summer blockbusters as the insurance to offset all the lower budget movies that fail. Not bringing in the expected revenue soured Fox execs and combining that with the critical reception on top of the merchandising failure made Fox throw in the towel. There were a lot of factors that led to the failure and not all of it Burton's (unless we can blame him for not standing up to Fox having him start shooting while the script still needed work).
And I'm not here to bash the movie which I felt did bring some positive elements to the franchise. But some parts where terrible (Thade's complete breakdown for no good reason, that silly ending trying to top the '68 ending, etc., etc.) And it certainly did not 'pave the way' to what we have today. Dario
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 6:22 PM,
georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
When adjusting for inflation, Tim Burton's version was the most commercially successful domestically:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
It helped fortify Mark Wahlberg's career, too. It helped that Charlton Heston had a cameo role in it, as did Linda Harrison.
Some have artistic disapproval with that version, as is their right. It was NOT a debacle, though. Arguably it paved the way not only for the subsequent trilogy, but also the revival of the potentially lost t.v. series (cartoons included).
Were there parts about the 2001 version with which I wasn't pleased? Yes. At least Tim Burton didn't utilize that TIRED pot-boiling formula of having two otherwise lonely men after a female lead character though. Star Wars and Avatar can't say the same, can they? I don't even go to the theater any more to see Star Wars releases.
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Message: 76152 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
.html.html Fox was STILL not interested in more "Apes" until Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver came up with the idea for "Rise" (on their own). And it still took years to get made. Jaffa and Silver did the due diligence to get "Rise" made and they deserve their producer credits on the sequels. I went to a great Q & A with them the weekend "Rise" hit DVD (December 2011) where they detailed the history of "Rise" and I believe I did a transcript here but I can't get into the archives. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
It did not 'pave the way' for this trilogy. It delayed it by over a decade.
Fox poured everything into Burton's feature thinking they would be establishing a series of movies. While it did make money, it was not enough for the margins Hollywood expects for 'hits'. They count on the summer blockbusters as the insurance to offset all the lower budget movies that fail. Not bringing in the expected revenue soured Fox execs and combining that with the critical reception on top of the merchandising failure made Fox throw in the towel.
There were a lot of factors that led to the failure and not all of it Burton's (unless we can blame him for not standing up to Fox having him start shooting while the script still needed work).
And I'm not here to bash the movie which I felt did bring some positive elements to the franchise. But some parts where terrible (Thade's complete breakdown for no good reason, that silly ending trying to top the '68 ending, etc., etc.) And it certainly did not 'pave the way' to what we have today. Dario
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 6:22 PM,
georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
When adjusting for inflation, Tim Burton's version was the most commercially successful domestically:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
It helped fortify Mark Wahlberg's career, too. It helped that Charlton Heston had a cameo role in it, as did Linda Harrison.
Some have artistic disapproval with that version, as is their right. It was NOT a debacle, though. Arguably it paved the way not only for the subsequent trilogy, but also the revival of the potentially lost t.v. series (cartoons included).
Were there parts about the 2001 version with which I wasn't pleased? Yes. At least Tim Burton didn't utilize that TIRED pot-boiling formula of having two otherwise lonely men after a female lead character though. Star Wars and Avatar can't say the same, can they? I don't even go to the theater any more to see Star Wars releases.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76153 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Jaffa and Silver correct link |
.html.html I've never been so embarrassed in all my life! Here's the correct link. Theqandapodcast.com/2011 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 It did not 'pave the way' for this trilogy. It delayed it by over a decade.
Fox poured everything into Burton's feature thinking they would be establishing a series of movies. While it did make money, it was not enough for the margins Hollywood expects for 'hits'. They count on the summer blockbusters as the insurance to offset all the lower budget movies that fail. Not bringing in the expected revenue soured Fox execs and combining that with the critical reception on top of the merchandising failure made Fox throw in the towel. There were a lot of factors that led to the failure and not all of it Burton's (unless we can blame him for not standing up to Fox having him start shooting while the script still needed work).
And I'm not here to bash the movie which I felt did bring some positive elements to the franchise. But some parts where terrible (Thade's complete breakdown for no good reason, that silly ending trying to top the '68 ending, etc., etc.) And it certainly did not 'pave the way' to what we have today. Dario
On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 6:22 PM,
georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
When adjusting for inflation, Tim Burton's version was the most commercially successful domestically:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
It helped fortify Mark Wahlberg's career, too. It helped that Charlton Heston had a cameo role in it, as did Linda Harrison.
Some have artistic disapproval with that version, as is their right. It was NOT a debacle, though. Arguably it paved the way not only for the subsequent trilogy, but also the revival of the potentially lost t.v. series (cartoons included).
Were there parts about the 2001 version with which I wasn't pleased? Yes. At least Tim Burton didn't utilize that TIRED pot-boiling formula of having two otherwise lonely men after a female lead character though. Star Wars and Avatar can't say the same, can they? I don't even go to the theater any more to see Star Wars releases.
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Message: 76154 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Jaffa and Silver correct link [1 Attachment] |
.htmlThanks. Added it to my podcast listening queue. Sounds very interesting.
Dario |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76155 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/14/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
.htmlI think I read years ago that Rise of the POTA wasn't even conceived until several years after POTA 2001. I therefore do not see how Burton's blockbuster POTA delayed that which wasn't even conceived. Meanwhile, the main reason more episodes didn't emerge is probably because Tim Burton wasn't interested and meanwhile other actors and actresses, while contractually bound to perform if asked, had other roles to perform in successful movies.
As the POTA franchise needs new directors, I think we'd do well not to become known as overly harsh critics especially regarding those who brought financial manna from Heaven to the franchise like Tim Burton helped do.
By the way Thade's temper tantrum was theatric, like some chimpanzee blow-ups about which we hear. He did not like the astronaut, and not just because Helena Bonham Carter's character did.
Food for thought from Houston :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76156 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
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.html I loved Kong Skull Island and thought they had a great Kong (played by the wonderfully talented Terry Notary). Great photography and editing. Groovy 70's setting. Like WAR, there was a lot of "ape'pocolypse now" reference. I love the introduction of Kong as seen through falling attacked helicopter. Notary (the actor behind APES' Rocket) is very underrated, and I look forward to finally seeing him playing a part with out a mo-cap suit on. I believe the movie is called "the Square" and will be in theaters in October. Terry will play a man who acts like an ape (what else?) <.html
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Message: 76157 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Have you ever heard of Kong? |
.html.html I agree with all that but I was disappointed by the ending. It got too monster movie, which I guess is the point, but I was hoping for more, like the new "Apes" movies gave us more than we expected. But I loved the idea of doing a Vietnam War movie with Kong (and that the director went out of his way to actually shoot in Vietnam). The biggest ape fossils we have are from that area. The movie was rewarded with $566 million worldwide, pretty damn good this year. Currently in the Top 10 of the year. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: monkeymermaid65@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:21 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Have you ever heard of Kong?
I loved Kong Skull Island and thought they had a great Kong (played by the wonderfully talented Terry Notary). Great photography and editing. Groovy 70's setting. Like WAR, there was a lot of "ape'pocolypse now" reference. I love the introduction of Kong as seen through falling attacked helicopter. Notary (the actor behind APES' Rocket) is very underrated, and I look forward to finally seeing him playing a part with out a mo-cap suit on. I believe the movie is called "the Square" and will be in theaters in October. Terry will play a man who acts like an ape (what else?) <.html |
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Message: 76158 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Anti-Tim Burton POTA (2001) folks will find this humorous... |
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Anti-Tim Burton POTA (2001) folks will likely find this new Thade monument-depiction humorous...
Can you believe it came out 16+ years ago? "Time flies like an arrow but fruit flies like a banana." -Groucho Marx
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76159 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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It was NOT a debacle, though.
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Message: 76160 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
.htmlI seem to recall that Tim Burton opted out of POTA sequels because of hyper-critical Apes fans whom he decided couldn't be pleased. I'm not aware that he's that into making sequels anyway. He did Batman Returns and if ANYTHING's a debacle... well... it still did well at the box office though.
That's not going to help the franchise cost-contain when seeking new directors, now that our most recent one has moved on to The Batman.
And if we can't cost-contain, we might not make it to 10 Apes movies.
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Message: 76161 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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I seem to recall that Tim Burton opted out of POTA sequels because of hyper-critical Apes fans whom he decided couldn't be pleased.
Where did you get that crap from?
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