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| Group: pota |
Message: 76162 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76163 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76164 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Interesting tweet |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76165 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: L.A. Comic Book and SF Convention |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76166 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76167 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76168 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76169 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76170 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Who is 2017's highest paid actor? Ready for this? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76171 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76172 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76173 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76174 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76175 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76176 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76177 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76178 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76179 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76180 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76181 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76182 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76183 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76184 |
From: smugster2000 |
Date: 8/18/2017 |
| Subject: Game on |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76185 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/18/2017 |
| Subject: Will movie theaters still exist when new POTA movies come out? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76186 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76187 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76188 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76189 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76190 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: "War" next stop |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76191 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76192 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76193 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76194 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" next stop |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76195 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 76196 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76197 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76198 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76199 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" next stop |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76200 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76201 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: El Rey Network goes Ape Pat Deux |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76202 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most luc |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76203 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76204 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76205 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76206 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76207 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76208 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76209 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76210 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape Pat Deux |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76211 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76212 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76213 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76214 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: More weight to Stone doing a POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76215 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this pas |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76216 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76217 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: More weight to Stone doing a POTA |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76218 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76219 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76220 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76221 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Did Pierre Boulle get significant compensation for POTA? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76222 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76223 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Did Pierre Boulle get significant compensation for POTA? |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 76224 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Did Pierre Boulle get significant compensation for POTA? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76225 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/24/2017 |
| Subject: Apes trilogy vs. the Free Willy one (box office analysis) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76226 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76227 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76228 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76229 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: "War": China's back, baby (driver)! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76230 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War": China's back, baby (driver)! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76231 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76232 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76233 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the Apes |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76234 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76235 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76236 |
From: Joey Tirado |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76237 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76238 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76239 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76240 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76241 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76242 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76243 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76244 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76245 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76246 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76247 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, Haristas & Zach? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76248 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Mexico: third in the world for War for the POTA revenues... and 70% |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76249 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76250 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: The "War" is lost? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76251 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76252 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, Haristas & Zach |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76253 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76254 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Power Records POTA adaptations for Kindle users |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76255 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76256 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape Pat Deux |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76257 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76258 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76259 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76260 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Power Records POTA adaptations for Kindle users |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76261 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76162 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
.html.html I recall Burton was planning a sequel about Thade when they were doing POTA2001; Tim Roth said they talked about it over dinner. After the reviews came in he said he'd rather jump out a window than do another one. Though I think it was more poor treatment by Fox than not wanting to do another Apes. Richard Zanuck held out hope for a sequel and then a couple years later there was this big announcement that there would be no sequel. Jay Leno even made a joke about it on The Tonight Show (something like "duh!").
I never hated POTA2001. I loved the music, the makeup, the costumes, the sets. The problem was the script and the rushed schedule (stupid editing mistakes like Ari burying Krull and in the next shot he's unburied – since it's a Burton movie, maybe he's a zombie). I also wasn't crazy with it being another planet. Yeah, that's in the book too, but it's a lot more interesting in Earth's future. When they were planning the sequel, Zanuck said, "This time we're going to get the story right". It's possible the sequel could have been good. But with the terrific Nu Apes movies, POTA2001 is just a bizarre footnote. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrative of all, domestically)...
I seem to recall that Tim Burton opted out of POTA sequels because of hyper-critical Apes fans whom he decided couldn't be pleased. I'm not aware that he's that into making sequels anyway. He did Batman Returns and if ANYTHING's a debacle... well... it still did well at the box office though. That's not going to help the franchise cost-contain when seeking new directors, now that our most recent one has moved on to The Batman. And if we can't cost-contain, we might not make it to 10 Apes movies. <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76163 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
.htmlExactly, POTA 2001 is like some deep, dark, shameful family secret kept hidden and unmentioned. Those that want to mention it do so at their own risk, for all you are doing is poking at an old wound and a festering sore. The movie was ill-conceived and badly executed. James Cameron said it was "egregious," and that's the best that can be said of it. In the overall franchise, it's entirely an irrelevancy, it fits into no greater continuity. I'll compare this to the James Bond series and say that POTA 2001 is analogous to the 1967 CASINO ROYAL in how it fits into the overall franchise.
Now, enough about this thing. If you like it, fine, but please keep it to yourself, don't go looking for fellow travelers here.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 15, 2017 7:13 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrative of all, domestically)... [1 Attachment]
I recall Burton was planning a sequel about Thade when they were doing POTA2001; Tim Roth said they talked about it over dinner. After the reviews came in he said he'd rather jump out a window than do another one. Though I think it was more poor treatment by Fox than not wanting to do another Apes.
Richard Zanuck held out hope for a sequel and then a couple years later there was this big announcement that there would be no sequel. Jay Leno even made a joke about it on The Tonight Show (something like "duh!").
I never hated POTA2001. I loved the music, the makeup, the costumes, the sets. The problem was the script and the rushed schedule (stupid editing mistakes like Ari burying Krull and in the next shot he's unburied – since it's a Burton movie, maybe he's a zombie). I also wasn't crazy with it being another planet. Yeah, that's in the book too, but it's a lot more interesting in Earth's future.
When they were planning the sequel, Zanuck said, "This time we're going to get the story right". It's possible the sequel could have been good. But with the terrific Nu Apes movies, POTA2001 is just a bizarre footnote.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrative of all, domestically)...
I seem to recall that Tim Burton opted out of POTA sequels because of hyper-critical Apes fans whom he decided couldn't be pleased. I'm not aware that he's that into making sequels anyway. He did Batman Returns and if ANYTHING's a debacle... well... it still did well at the box office though.
That's not going to help the franchise cost-contain when seeking new directors, now that our most recent one has moved on to The Batman.
And if we can't cost-contain, we might not make it to 10 Apes movies.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76164 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Interesting tweet |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76165 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: L.A. Comic Book and SF Convention |
.htmlThis August 20th, attended by the guy who painted the BATTLE poster.
http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php?/archives/9758-BAD-GIRLS-OF-BATMAN-AND-LEGENDARY-MOVIE-POSTER-ARTIST-ROBERT-TANENBAUM-TO-APPEAR-AT-LOS-ANGELES-COMIC-BOOK-AND-SCIENCE-FICTION-CON.htmlbr>
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76166 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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.html It was in a published interview of him in 2001, which I've not been able to find today in Google. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76167 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most lucrati |
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.html Very well said, Jeff. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76168 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: WAR a bust |
.htmlThe analyst of what went wrong with WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES has begun.
https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/08/why-was-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-a-bust/
And The Hollywood Reporter has an article on how WAR in China may not do that great as compared to DAWN.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/war-planet-apes-open-china-two-months-late-1030074
This all goes back to what I felt was a problem with DAWN, that Matt Reeves was just spinning the tires with the POTA franchise and that we weren't moving into the future fast enough. Well, it's all over and done with now -- but unfortunately, it may really be over and done with.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76169 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.html.html Bite your tongue! The first article isn't anything we don't know. It's heartening that folks are rooting for "War". The China thing, it doesn't say anything except being a latecomer "might" hurt it. Why? March used to be suicide for blockbusters; you had to open in summer, but the only two billion $ movies opened before the traditional summer – "Beauty & the Beast" in March and "Fast & Furious in April. Which brings up the question: would POTA do better earlier in the year? Fox has always put the modern POTA movies late in the game: POTA2001, "Dawn" and "War" in late July, "Rise" in August. What if it wuz given an "X-Men" date before people have kind of tired of FX movies?
Anyway, it ain't over till it's over. I still believe it will get to $500 million which is the life preserver. Fox will consider other things like what a tough movie "War" was – not a lot of action, just misery. At least "Dawn" had some action with Koba's shenanigans. I fully salute Fox for letting Reeves go there, but the next one will probably be more like the original with the apes large and in charge (and maybe a more marketable human hero). That doesn't mean it will be "dumbed down" but they will probably look to do like "Dawn", which was a more traditional action adventure story. Both "Rise" and "War" were slave stories, not the greatest box office attraction.
In the end, if there are no more Ape movies until we are in wheelchairs, with "Rise", "Dawn" and "War" we've still won. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:51 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] WAR a bust
The analyst of what went wrong with WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES has begun. https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/08/why-was-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-a-bust/
And The Hollywood Reporter has an article on how WAR in China may not do that great as compared to DAWN. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/war-planet-apes-open-china-two-months-late-1030074
This all goes back to what I felt was a problem with DAWN, that Matt Reeves was just spinning the tires with the POTA franchise and that we weren't moving into the future fast enough. Well, it's all over and done with now -- but unfortunately, it may really be over and done with. <.html |
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Shouldn't this make it at least a little easier for future (potential) POTA movies to attract quality actors & actresses? POTA is hardly a graveyard for actors with lofty aspirations. To the contrary...
Am I remembering correctly that his first major payment was for POTA 2001? He had been in prior productions but he didn't receive anything comparable to a $20 million paycheck until POTA 2001, right?
Now then, I'm not a fan of what he did as a youth to someone that he reportedly maimed. But I am a fan of the POTA franchise and all of its 9 movie installments.
Cheers from Houston...
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.htmlWe have indeed won, Jeff. Well said.
20 years ago I'd have been content with just one revisitation (after nearly 3 decades of NOTHING new). Since then we've had 4 blockbusters....
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.htmlJeff, you did everything there but jump up and down in a short skirt and tight sweater and wave pom-poms! "We've still won" Won what?!!! I'd like to slap you silly, but you're already there!
The only thing that's still hopeful out of this disappointing release of WAR is that Fox has with this trilogy generated over a billion dollars in new revenue while only sticking a big toe into the two thousand year timeline available for further APES installments. Any franchise that can recover from a debacle like the Tim Burton APES deserves its praise, but this article is right in that Reeves and Bomback have taken the franchise in the wrong direction (did we really need a Caesar trilogy?) and the next one -- IF THERE'S A NEXT ONE -- will have to be different and will need to have a human star. Let's face it, PLANET OF THE APES without humans isn't the planet of the apes. The fun in the original was watching Heston try to survive his ordeal, and as Heston himself said on why he wanted nothing to do with a sequel, anything POTA without humans in it is just "adventures among the monkeys."
Somewhere in the universe, there has to be a male actor in the movies today that can save the Planet of the Apes franchise. The only question is who will it be? Brad Pitt? Matt Damon? Just don't let it be Dwayne Johnson! Oh, God! Not that!
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Bite your tongue!
The first article isn't anything we don't know. It's heartening that folks are rooting for "War".
The China thing, it doesn't say anything except being a latecomer "might" hurt it. Why? March used to be suicide for blockbusters; you had to open in summer, but the only two billion $ movies opened before the traditional summer – "Beauty & the Beast" in March and "Fast & Furious in April.
Which brings up the question: would POTA do better earlier in the year? Fox has always put the modern POTA movies late in the game: POTA2001, "Dawn" and "War" in late July, "Rise" in August. What if it wuz given an "X-Men" date before people have kind of tired of FX movies?
Anyway, it ain't over till it's over. I still believe it will get to $500 million which is the life preserver.
Fox will consider other things like what a tough movie "War" was – not a lot of action, just misery. At least "Dawn" had some action with Koba's shenanigans. I fully salute Fox for letting Reeves go there, but the next one will probably be more like the original with the apes large and in charge (and maybe a more marketable human hero).
That doesn't mean it will be "dumbed down" but they will probably look to do like "Dawn", which was a more traditional action adventure story. Both "Rise" and "War" were slave stories, not the greatest box office attraction.
In the end, if there are no more Ape movies until we are in wheelchairs, with "Rise", "Dawn" and "War" we've still won.
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:51 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] WAR a bust
The analyst of what went wrong with WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES has begun.
And The Hollywood Reporter has an article on how WAR in China may not do that great as compared to DAWN.
This all goes back to what I felt was a problem with DAWN, that Matt Reeves was just spinning the tires with the POTA franchise and that we weren't moving into the future fast enough. Well, it's all over and done with now -- but unfortunately, it may really be over and done with.
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Date: 8/17/2017 |
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We have indeed won, Jeff. Well said.
I guess what we've won is a booby prize.
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.html.html "We" have had 3 good, risky POTA movies, Haristas. POTA's profile has never been better. You may not like the movies but "we" as POTA fans have never had it better (we have the old and the new). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
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Subject: [pota] Re: WAR a bust We have indeed won, Jeff. Well said.
Oh, I see you, too, have been slapped with a silly stick. I guess what we've won is a booby prize.
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.htmlMaybe Pamela Anderson could play Astronaut Stewart? She's spent mucho tiempo under the sun and it has taken some toll...
Seriously though, in space our muscles get depleted. But when under suspended animation, that's not necessarily so (hopefully, anyway). So Dwayne Johnson as Dodge, Vin Diesel as Landon, Matt Damon as Taylor and Pamela Anderson as Stewart (with flotation devices pre-installed, mind you) could stir up a ruckus among the apes, and the Underdwellers.
Who could play Brent, Brad Pitt?
And wouldn't there need to be at least one youthful actor since most movie tickets are utilized by folks age 25 and younger?
Food for thought, from Houston... :-)
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From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
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Can you imagine Imax in 3D? :-)
"Out here, time bends... space is boundless... it crushes a man's ego." :-)
Cheers from Houston...
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
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"We" have had 3 good, risky POTA movies, Haristas. POTA's profile has never been better.
You may not like the movies but "we" as POTA fans have never had it better (we have the old and the new).
Keep waving those pom-poms, Jeffrey.
Well, it looks like Ben Affleck won't be returning as Batman, so maybe he could go ape?
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
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So Dwayne Johnson as Dodge, Vin Diesel as Landon, Matt Damon as Taylor and Pamela Anderson as Stewart Another POTA 2001 in the making, sounds like to me!
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Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
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Do a new HD scan of the original's camera negatives and do an IMAX of that instead!
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Sent: Thu, Aug 17, 2017 5:42 pm
Subject: [pota] War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th...
Can you imagine Imax in 3D? :-)
"Out here, time bends... space is boundless... it crushes a man's ego." :-)
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.html.html No expensive casts! Unless they're willing to work for Oliver Stone at a discount. Fun fact: Matt Damon was the first choice for POTA2001 and wanted to do it but was offered the first Bourne so had to turn it down. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
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Another POTA 2001 in the making, sounds like to me! <.html |
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
.htmlI'd love to see a digitized version of POTA '68 on an Imax screen. A year ago I paid nearly $20 to see a comparatively dull-focused version at the theater (Fathom Events). I was saddened that things were blurry. |
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.htmlDid Matt Damon turn down POTA 2001 because of Bourne or....wasn't it Ocean's 11? I seem to recall it was the latter, right?
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR a bust |
.html.html From what I've heard, Damon left POTA2001 to do "Bourne" #1. But Walhberg turned down "Ocean's 11" to do "Apes" so Damon took the role. Now I'm dizzy. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
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Message: 76184 |
From: smugster2000 |
Date: 8/18/2017 |
| Subject: Game on |
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Message: 76185 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/18/2017 |
| Subject: Will movie theaters still exist when new POTA movies come out? |
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Will movie theaters still exist when new POTA movies (hopefully) come out? The industry's changing:
I think this debate MIGHT help explain why War for the POTA hasn't sold as many movie tickets as we would have liked. Perhaps many viewers are simply waiting for the movie to become available on a pay-per-download (or DVD / Blu-Ray rental) basis now during the growing Netflix era. Most still-living folks who saw the 1960s & 1970s installments first saw them outside of theaters, right?
There's not a ton of data floating around about DVD rentals and such for POTA, but here's some:
Isn't it interesting how Rise outperformed Dawn on rentals, but not at the theaters?
Incidentally, BoxOfficeMojo used to provide some rentals data for some movies, but apparently no longer:
It may be that rentals revenues will determine whether and how more Apes installments are made, though.
On a different front, anyone here planning to see War again on the Imax screen during the upcoming week?
Cheers from Houston... :-)
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
.html.html Yeah, it's pretty bad. "War 4 the POTA" still has China and Japan but things don't look good. Unless Fox is smart and sees that it is still a healthy franchise if they get to it's roots (a planet of the apes). But shame on the world, that they prefer BAD sequels like "Pirates", "Mummy", name it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: "War" box office - let's assess! |
.html.html So the Caesar trilogy is fine if there is never another POTA movie. It told a complete story. But those of us who want to see the story continue - - - to actually see a POTA - - - are biting our nails as the box office numbers come back. The worldwide tally so far of $346 million isn't promising and it's getting to the point where fantasizing won't cut it. If the "world" can color in the rest of $400 million and then China does $100 million (like "Dawn" did) and then Japan does some artistry past $500 million it will still suck.
But the positive is that Fox isn't one to give up a franchise easily. They aren't Disney where they can get a $billion winner blindfolded. "Alien", "X-Men", these franchises have been around for decades. It's amazing they took so long to reignite POTA. The 3 new POTA movies have done well as a group (over $1 billion) so I don't think they'll give it up so easily. Added to that is they have a strong producer in Peter Chernin. As the #2 at News Corp. for years, he has a lot of clout and he is a big Apes fan. Right now it looks bleak but we won't know until October the final tally on "War". I do believe Fox will consider what a tough sell "War" is (a concentration camp movie, of all things) and some Oscar magic would help (not that Oscar has given Nu Apes it's due so far).
In the end, I don't think we've heard the last of "Apes". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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I think ultimately Fox made a mistake letting Matt Reeves do what he wanted -- not move too far into the future and stick with the Caesar story. By the third entry, it had grown too "same-ol'-same" for most people, at least with those that bother going to cinemas, which in general seems to be on the wane. WAR is going to be "discovered" by most on home video, which is why I think Fox is going to let some time pass and watch and see if the interest grows with the trilogy "out there" in the culture, and, well, in five to seven years we'll see, but if you're holding your breath for another sequel announcement this Fall, you're in for a cold one and an even colder Winter. It's not that I think Fox will say "Noooo!" to any further APES, it's that I think they'll be very conservative and really not know what to do, and they'll take their time deciding, but
eventually, there's still money to be milked from the franchise.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 12:54 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" chest: $346 million worldwide
Yeah, it's pretty bad. "War 4 the POTA" still has China and Japan but things don't look good.
Unless Fox is smart and sees that it is still a healthy franchise if they get to it's roots (a planet of the apes).
But shame on the world, that they prefer BAD sequels like "Pirates", "Mummy", name it.
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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This is like bringing up POTA 2001, Jeffery, or yesterday's lunch! Don't utter this! News Corp. is Number 2!
Yeah, APES will return, it's only a question as to how long.
You know, I didn't go see ALIEN: COVENANT when it was in theaters, and from the weak box office there, I've pretty much assumed that franchise is in trouble. But, I just watched it streaming last night -- and I liked it! So, I say now, let there be more Alien movies.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 1:35 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" box office - let's assess!
So the Caesar trilogy is fine if there is never another POTA movie. It told a complete story.
But those of us who want to see the story continue - - - to actually see a POTA - - - are biting our nails as the box office numbers come back.
The worldwide tally so far of $346 million isn't promising and it's getting to the point where fantasizing won't cut it. If the "world" can color in the rest of $400 million and then China does $100 million (like "Dawn" did) and then Japan does some artistry past $500 million it will still suck.
But the positive is that Fox isn't one to give up a franchise easily. They aren't Disney where they can get a $billion winner blindfolded. "Alien", "X-Men", these franchises have been around for decades. It's amazing they took so long to reignite POTA. The 3 new POTA movies have done well as a group (over $1 billion) so I don't think they'll give it up so easily.
Added to that is they have a strong producer in Peter Chernin. As the #2 at News Corp. for years, he has a lot of clout and he is a big Apes fan.
Right now it looks bleak but we won't know until October the final tally on "War". I do believe Fox will consider what a tough sell "War" is (a concentration camp movie, of all things) and some Oscar magic would help (not that Oscar has given Nu Apes it's due so far).
In the end, I don't think we've heard the last of "Apes".
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: "War" next stop |
.html.html "War 4 the POTA" has a long way 2 go. China: 9/15 Japan: 10/13 It doesn't look good 4 "War" but it will be a while before we get the full story. Ape fan: But it looks pretty bad! Waaah! The Voice of Reason: Oliver Stone will set things right. Ape fan: Groovy! I can dig that!
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
.html.html Don't know what you're saying. "News Corp is Number 2"? You keep saying that they will shelve POTA for years. I disagree. IF they plan to continue POTA they will announce it 3 years hence. Why? Because they will continue the momentum. Andy Serkis is still young, people know POTA because of constant ads, things are groovy, keep it going. There will be more Alien movies, they will continue to question what the audience finds groovy.
This applies to POTA and everything else: a name franchise, even if it disappoints, is a safer bet than a brand new story. I know people have asked me why there are no original ideas for movies in Hollywood… there are, but it's easier to go a known name. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:21 AM
To:
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Subject: [pota] Re: "War" box office - let's assess!
This is like bringing up POTA 2001, Jeffery, or yesterday's lunch! Don't utter this! News Corp. is Number 2! Yeah, APES will return, it's only a question as to how long.
You know, I didn't go see ALIEN: COVENANT when it was in theaters, and from the weak box office there, I've pretty much assumed that franchise is in trouble. But, I just watched it streaming last night -- and I liked it! So, I say now, let there be more Alien movies.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 1:35 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" box office - let's assess!
So the Caesar trilogy is fine if there is never another POTA movie. It told a complete story. But those of us who want to see the story continue - - - to actually see a POTA - - - are biting our nails as the box office numbers come back.
The worldwide tally so far of $346 million isn't promising and it's getting to the point where fantasizing won't cut it. If the "world" can color in the rest of $400 million and then China does $100 million (like "Dawn" did) and then Japan does some artistry past $500 million it will still suck.
But the positive is that Fox isn't one to give up a franchise easily. They aren't Disney where they can get a $billion winner blindfolded. "Alien", "X-Men", these franchises have been around for decades. It's amazing they took so long to reignite POTA. The 3 new POTA movies have done well as a group (over $1 billion) so I don't think they'll give it up so easily. Added to that is they have a strong producer in Peter Chernin. As the #2 at News Corp. for years, he has a lot of clout and he is a big Apes fan.
Right now it looks bleak but we won't know until October the final tally on "War". I do believe Fox will consider what a tough sell "War" is (a concentration camp movie, of all things) and some Oscar magic would help (not that Oscar has given Nu Apes it's due so far). In the end, I don't think we've heard the last of "Apes". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76192 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
.html.html If I had to chose between "War" and the end of POTA or, I don't know, the POTA equivalent of "Fast and Furious" I would pick "War". In the end this is the people talking. "War" is a good movie and I would never wish it out of existence. Like I said, we won. We have 3 great POTA movies no matter what happens. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide
I think ultimately Fox made a mistake letting Matt Reeves do what he wanted -- not move too far into the future and stick with the Caesar story. By the third entry, it had grown too "same-ol'-same" for most people, at least with those that bother going to cinemas, which in general seems to be on the wane. WAR is going to be "discovered" by most on home video, which is why I think Fox is going to let some time pass and watch and see if the interest grows with the trilogy "out there" in the culture, and, well, in five to seven years we'll see, but if you're holding your breath for another sequel announcement this Fall, you're in for a cold one and an even colder Winter. It's not that I think Fox will say "Noooo!" to any further APES, it's that I think they'll be very conservative and really not know what to do, and they'll
take their time deciding, but eventually, there's still money to be milked from the franchise.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 12:54 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" chest: $346 million worldwide Yeah, it's pretty bad. "War 4 the POTA" still has China and Japan but things don't look good. Unless Fox is smart and sees that it is still a healthy franchise if they get to it's roots (a planet of the apes). But shame on the world, that they prefer BAD sequels like "Pirates", "Mummy", name it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76193 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
.htmlTerminator 1 (1984) didn't do that well at the cinema, although yours truly saw it 1.5 times there, with the second time being at a drive thru with a hot date and she wanted [and deserved] plenty of attention. :-) Terminator nevertheless rebounded on video rentals, reportedly making loads of money. Years later, T2 had quite a budget in 1991...and earned its investors a nice payoff. Maybe War for the POTA will do similarly better on rentals.
More recently, the latest Terminator installment didn't do well enough until China sales persuaded the movie executives that there's still a profit to be made. Arnold's playing with fire by opposing Donald Trump like he's been doing though. Now he's calling attention to his Austrian-ness by denouncing the resurgence of neo-nazis... when such denouncing doesn't seem necessary since we don't think of Arnold as one of them. At least I never have. But now we're left to remember how German-like he is... and it's not clear that he's employing the best self-marketing strategy.
I'm not sure that Arnold's what the POTA franchise needs or wants, but for one I'd be happy for him to come back on the Icarus along with Matt Damon, maybe Brad Pitt and who knows. That cast isn't too multi-ethnic though, so The Rock might get the nod. He says he's part ethnic, after all (to put it politely). I'd be fine with Salma Hayek or Eva Mendez as Astronaut Stewart, although I'm not sure what last name should be used. Wow, if she lands in Lake Powell and has some neat swim scenes...
Anyhow we'll see how things go for War:
At least it has clearly made its money back. It's already a blockbuster! :-)
Well wishes from Houston... :-) |
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Message: 76194 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" next stop |
.htmlI asked a while ago isn't WAR supposed to open in China in Mid-Sept? Jeffery says, "Nothing's been confirmed." Well, HA!
Well, listen to me now, Jeffery... I've also read WAR out on DVD and Blu-ray October 24th.
And what's this fixation on Oliver Stone? You in love?
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 5:06 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" next stop
"War 4 the POTA" has a long way 2 go.
China: 9/15
Japan: 10/13
It doesn't look good 4 "War" but it will be a while before we get the full story.
Ape fan: But it looks pretty bad! Waaah!
The Voice of Reason: Oliver Stone will set things right.
Ape fan: Groovy! I can dig that!
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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a name franchise, even if it disappoints, is a safer bet than a brand new story.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" box office - let's assess!
Don't know what you're saying. "News Corp is Number 2"?
You keep saying that they will shelve POTA for years. I disagree.
IF they plan to continue POTA they will announce it 3 years hence.
Why? Because they will continue the momentum. Andy Serkis is still young, people know POTA because of constant ads, things are groovy, keep it going.
There will be more Alien movies, they will continue to question what the audience finds groovy.
This applies to POTA and everything else: a name franchise, even if it disappoints, is a safer bet than a brand new story. I know people have asked me why there are no original ideas for movies in Hollywood… there are, but it's easier to go a known name.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:21 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" box office - let's assess!
This is like bringing up POTA 2001, Jeffery, or yesterday's lunch! Don't utter this! News Corp. is Number 2!
Yeah, APES will return, it's only a question as to how long.
You know, I didn't go see ALIEN: COVENANT when it was in theaters, and from the weak box office there, I've pretty much assumed that franchise is in trouble. But, I just watched it streaming last night -- and I liked it! So, I say now, let there be more Alien movies.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 1:35 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" box office - let's assess!
So the Caesar trilogy is fine if there is never another POTA movie. It told a complete story.
But those of us who want to see the story continue - - - to actually see a POTA - - - are biting our nails as the box office numbers come back.
The worldwide tally so far of $346 million isn't promising and it's getting to the point where fantasizing won't cut it. If the "world" can color in the rest of $400 million and then China does $100 million (like "Dawn" did) and then Japan does some artistry past $500 million it will still suck.
But the positive is that Fox isn't one to give up a franchise easily. They aren't Disney where they can get a $billion winner blindfolded. "Alien", "X-Men", these franchises have been around for decades. It's amazing they took so long to reignite POTA. The 3 new POTA movies have done well as a group (over $1 billion) so I don't think they'll give it up so easily.
Added to that is they have a strong producer in Peter Chernin. As the #2 at News Corp. for years, he has a lot of clout and he is a big Apes fan.
Right now it looks bleak but we won't know until October the final tally on "War". I do believe Fox will consider what a tough sell "War" is (a concentration camp movie, of all things) and some Oscar magic would help (not that Oscar has given Nu Apes it's due so far).
In the end, I don't think we've heard the last of "Apes".
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Message: 76196 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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We have 3 great POTA movies no matter what happens.
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Message: 76197 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
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OK, let's assess, or rather, let's be asses.
Well, if the opinion of my sister means anything, the hot property right now is that son of anarchy, Charlie Hunnam. He's going to be in a remake of Schaffner's PAPILLON. Let me slap myself silly here so I can be like Jeffery and say, can a POTA movie with astronaut Charlie Hunnam be far off?
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" box office - let's assess!
Terminator 1 (1984) didn't do that well at the cinema, although yours truly saw it 1.5 times there, with the second time being at a drive thru with a hot date and she wanted [and deserved] plenty of attention. :-) Terminator nevertheless rebounded on video rentals, reportedly making loads of money. Years later, T2 had quite a budget in 1991...and earned its investors a nice payoff. Maybe War for the POTA will do similarly better on rentals.
More recently, the latest Terminator installment didn't do well enough until China sales persuaded the movie executives that there's still a profit to be made. Arnold's playing with fire by opposing Donald Trump like he's been doing though. Now he's calling attention to his Austrian-ness by denouncing the resurgence of neo-nazis... when such denouncing doesn't seem necessary since we don't think of Arnold a s one of them. At least I never have. But now we're left to remember how German-like he is... and it's not clear that he's employing the best self-marketing strategy.
I'm not sure that Arnold's what the POTA franchise needs or wants, but for one I'd be happy for him to come back on the Icarus along with Matt Damon, maybe Brad Pitt and who knows. That cast isn't too multi-ethnic though, so The Rock might get the nod. He says he's part ethnic, after all (to put it politely). I'd be fine with Salma Hayek or Eva Mendez as Astronaut Stewart, although I'm not sure what last name should be used. Wow, if she lands in Lake Powell and has some neat swim scenes...
Anyhow we'll see how things go for War:
At least it has clearly made its money back. It's already a blockbuster! :-)
Well wishes from Houston... :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76198 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" box office - let's assess! |
.html.html I know EVERYTHING! The box office is a clever plot by Fox to get a Best Picture Oscar! *Ooops!* I didn't say that! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:15 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] Re: "War" box office - let's assess! a name franchise, even if it disappoints, is a safer bet than a brand new story.
You haven't been paying attention to this year's boxoffice -- which has pretty much been in the toilet! Franchise is becoming a dirty word. Now, get off the pot, Jeffery, and pull your head out of your ass. Tell the truth -- you know nothing!
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 5:07 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" box office - let's assess!
Don't know what you're saying. "News Corp is Number 2"? You keep saying that they will shelve POTA for years. I disagree. IF they plan to continue POTA they will announce it 3 years hence. Why? Because they will continue the momentum. Andy Serkis is still young, people know POTA because of constant ads, things are groovy, keep it going.
There will be more Alien movies, they will continue to question what the audience finds groovy. This applies to POTA and everything else: a name franchise, even if it disappoints, is a safer bet than a brand new story. I know people have asked me why there are no original ideas for movies in Hollywood… there are, but it's easier to go a known name. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent:
Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:21 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" box office - let's assess! This is like bringing up POTA 2001, Jeffery, or yesterday's lunch! Don't utter this! News Corp. is Number 2!
Yeah, APES will return, it's only a question as to how long. You know, I didn't go see ALIEN: COVENANT when it was in theaters, and from the weak box office there, I've pretty much assumed that franchise is in trouble. But, I just watched it streaming last night -- and I liked it! So, I say now, let there be more Alien movies.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 1:35 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" box office - let's assess!
So the Caesar trilogy is fine if there is never another POTA movie. It told a complete story. But those of us who want to see the story continue - - - to actually see a POTA - - - are biting our nails as the box office numbers come back.
The worldwide tally so far of $346 million isn't promising and it's getting to the point where fantasizing won't cut it. If the "world" can color in the rest of $400 million and then China does $100 million (like "Dawn" did) and then Japan does some artistry past $500 million it will still suck. But the positive is that Fox isn't one to give up a franchise easily. They aren't Disney where they can get a $billion winner blindfolded. "Alien", "X-Men", these franchises have been around for decades. It's amazing they took so long to reignite POTA. The 3 new POTA movies have done well as a group (over $1 billion) so I don't think they'll give it up so easily.
Added to that is they have a strong producer in Peter Chernin. As the #2 at News Corp. for years, he has a lot of clout and he is a big Apes fan. Right now it looks bleak but we won't know until October the final tally on "War". I do believe Fox will consider what a tough sell "War" is (a concentration camp movie, of all things) and some Oscar magic would help (not that Oscar has given Nu Apes it's due so far).
In the end, I don't think we've heard the last of "Apes". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76199 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" next stop |
.html.html China – when you said that it wasn't confirmed. Now it is, bitch! No official word on the "War" video, bitch! Oliver Stone is the greatest filmmaker since Matt Reeves, b - - - you know the rest. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:11 PM
To:
pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" next stop I asked a while ago isn't WAR supposed to open in China in Mid-Sept? Jeffery says, "Nothing's been confirmed." Well, HA!
Well, listen to me now, Jeffery... I've also read WAR out on DVD and Blu-ray October 24th. And what's this fixation on Oliver Stone? You in love?
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 5:06 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" next stop
"War 4 the POTA" has a long way 2 go. It doesn't look good 4 "War" but it will be a while before we get the full story.
Ape fan: But it looks pretty bad! Waaah! The Voice of Reason: Oliver Stone will set things right. Ape fan: Groovy! I can dig that! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76200 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
.html.html First of all I will say the 3 Caesar films are beautiful. Many are saying it's one of the best film trilogies ever. The box office for the latest is less than we hoped but they are all great films. That's a big difference from a film that has bad reviews, even if they are more successful at the box office. You haven't been specific, Haristas, about what you don't like about Nu Apes (except for apes being primitive). To me, all the films have problems if you want to be a dick. But they are so incredible. I stand by what I said, These are great films and if the world would rather see "The Fate of the Furious", so be it.
I know a good film when I see it. So to second guess "War" because of box office, I would rather have the artistic achievement of 'War" (though, really I have no choice) then whatever passes for box office heaven. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide
I think ultimately Fox made a mistake letting Matt Reeves do what he wanted -- not move too far into the future and stick with the Caesar story. By the third entry, it had grown too "same-ol'-same" for most people, at least with those that bother going to cinemas, which in general seems to be on the wane. WAR is going to be "discovered" by most on home video, which is why I think Fox is going to let some time pass and watch and see if the interest grows with the trilogy "out there" in the culture, and, well, in five to seven years we'll see, but if you're holding your breath for another sequel announcement this Fall, you're in for a cold one and an even colder Winter. It's not that I think Fox will say "Noooo!" to any further APES, it's that I think they'll be very conservative and really not know what to do, and they'll
take their time deciding, but eventually, there's still money to be milked from the franchise.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 12:54 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" chest: $346 million worldwide Yeah, it's pretty bad. "War 4 the POTA" still has China and Japan but things don't look good. Unless Fox is smart and sees that it is still a healthy franchise if they get to it's roots (a planet of the apes). But shame on the world, that they prefer BAD sequels like "Pirates", "Mummy", name it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76201 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: El Rey Network goes Ape Pat Deux |
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It looks like both RETURN and the live action TV series are getting slotted
into regular Saturday morning airings on the El Rey schedule. Four hours of
the TV series from 6-10AM, preceded by anywhere from 1 to 2 hours of RETURN
until 6AM depending on when the previous programming ends. There's also
another marathon of the original films starting this Friday the 25th at 4PM
(albeit in a strange order): BATTLE, CONQUEST, PLANET, BENEATH, ESCAPE,
CONQUEST, then 90 minutes of RETURN, then four hours of the live action TV
series.
Again- even if you have this on as background noise, it's the kind of
thing that should be supported with viewership.
Chris L.
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Message: 76202 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: POTA '01 was NOT a debacle, just different (and the most luc |
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Message: 76203 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape next weekend |
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Chris L.
georgetaylor68 wrote:
>>Is there a way to watch this if one doesn't have t.v. but one does
have broadband internet access? <<
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Message: 76204 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Chantek, a sign language "speaking" orangutan that had |
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That they **also** named Cornelius? Human or ape, that's a pretty creepy
concept- naming a newborn child after the last one that died.
Chris L.
knightangel314 wrote:
>>Yes but they could have had another child later. <<
I wrote:
>>Also, Cornelius (Caesar's son) is murdered by Aldo. <<
haristas wrote:
>>2000 years of time between their generations, though.
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katanya6 wrote:
>>Keep wondering if in an alternate time line Zira and Cornelius gave
birth the the leader Caesar and then Caesar and Lisa actually gave birth to the
Original Cornelius causing a continual time loop in which Cornelius is the
leader Ceasar's dad and Caesar is Also his own father's dad? Going back to the
speech the human made about a painter creating himself??
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76205 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
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I don't dislike the new APES movies, they just don't "do it" for me as social allegory and political satire. For that you have to move into something more like the first movie with the apes being like men, with language, clothes, culture, then you're into the "real" planet of the apes, as you yourself very much know. RISE was great because it came up with a very clever scenario as to how the apes got an evolutionary jump start and the planet of the apes could happen -- but that's all it was, a better genesis story than the now, I think, rather lame and even silly one that Paul Dehn invented with the space plague on pets and apes becoming slaves. But the two Matt Reeves sequels were about the rest of Caesar's life, not so much about the planet of the apes itself, and so they leave me unsatisfied. That doesn't mean I think they're bad movies for what they are, just not what I
wanted.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 21, 2017 3:13 am
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide
First of all I will say the 3 Caesar films are beautiful. Many are saying it's one of the best film trilogies ever.
The box office for the latest is less than we hoped but they are all great films. That's a big difference from a film that has bad reviews, even if they are more successful at the box office. You haven't been specific, Haristas, about what you don't like about Nu Apes (except for apes being primitive).
To me, all the films have problems if you want to be a dick. But they are so incredible. I stand by what I said, These are great films and if the world would rather see "The Fate of the Furious", so be it.
I know a good film when I see it. So to second guess "War" because of box office, I would rather have the artistic achievement of 'War" (though, really I have no choice) then whatever passes for box office heaven.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide
I think ultimately Fox made a mistake letting Matt Reeves do what he wanted -- not move too far into the future and stick with the Caesar story. By the third entry, it had grown too "same-ol'-same" for most people, at least with those that bother going to cinemas, which in general seems to be on the wane. WAR is going to be "discovered" by most on home video, which is why I think Fox is going to let some time pass and watch and see if the interest grows with the trilogy "out there" in the culture, and, well, in five to seven years we'll see, but if you're holding your breath for another sequel announcement this Fall, you're in for a cold one and an even colder Winter. It's not that I think Fox will say "Noooo!" to any further APES, it's that I think they'll be very conservative and really not know what to do, and they'll take their time deciding, but
eventually, there's still money to be milked from the franchise.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 20, 2017 12:54 pm
Subject: [pota] "War" chest: $346 million worldwide
Yeah, it's pretty bad. "War 4 the POTA" still has China and Japan but things don't look good.
Unless Fox is smart and sees that it is still a healthy franchise if they get to it's roots (a planet of the apes).
But shame on the world, that they prefer BAD sequels like "Pirates", "Mummy", name it.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76206 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $346 million worldwide |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76207 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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Hot off the press:
Best movie line of 1968?
http://www.chron.com/entertainment/article/The-greatest-movie-lines-the-year-you-were-born-11949455.php?ipid=hpctp#photo-7766252
Hopefully we can keep it there... :-)
It SEEMS that sources for the list include:
The Hollywood Reporter; The American Film Institute
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76208 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
.htmlMy favorite line from a 1968 movie is actually Steve McQueen's from Bullitt:
"Bullshit!"
It covers so much. Literally.
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From: George Taylor georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: Yahoo! Inc. <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 22, 2017 10:54 am
Subject: [pota] Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-)
Hot off the press:
Hopefully we can keep it there... :-)
It SEEMS that sources for the list include:
The Hollywood Reporter;
The American Film Institute
Etc.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76209 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War for the POTA on IMAX for one week, beginning Aug. 18th... |
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.html I believe I have seen WAR in all formats (digital, 3D, Dolby, & Imax) and thought IMAX looked the best. If you have not seen War for POTA yet, I think it is worth the extra bucks to see it in IMAX format while it's available. I fell lucky. When I saw the fathom events POTA68, I thought it looked as sharp as my blu ray copy. I loved the experience of seeing my favorite movie on a theater screen for the first time. I feel like my experiences with AMC theaters can be hit or miss. (AMC dominates the cinema choices where I live). Some times flicks can seem a little muddled and unfocused. I think they switch back and forth from 3D formats and forget to readjust the lens. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76210 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape Pat Deux |
.htmlIf only those who cut the cable (but have broadband) could somehow view El Rey Network.
Meanwhile, if only El Rey Network would finally fix their website's cover page.
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Message: 76211 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
.htmlHaristas: You don't particularly like the Rise trilogy, or POTA 2001 (all of which are blockbu$ter$, even as POTA 2001 eclipses the rest in terms of domestic revenues) and you don't even think Taylor's famous line delivered on the screen in 1968 should carry the year.
Are you sure you're in the right Yahoogroup? Just wonderin'...
In full disclosure, I never met a simian movie or episode I didn't like. Granted, it appears that some are more equal than others. POTA '68 was wonderful but where there's one, there's another and another. To varying degrees, they all give me a refreshing dose of grapejuice +. :-)
Cheers from Houston...
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Message: 76212 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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Haristas:
You don't particularly like the Rise trilogy, or POTA 2001 (all of which are blockbu$ter$, even as POTA 2001 eclipses the rest in terms of domestic revenues) and you don't even think Taylor's famous line delivered on the screen in 1968 should carry the year.
Are you sure you're in the right Yahoogroup? Just wonderin'...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76213 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
.html.html Admittedly Nu Apes will be a big tease for nothing if there aren't any movies actually set on the POTA. I've already said why I think it will continue so I won't belabor the point. Fun fact: "War" is the #1 movie in France 3 weeks in a row. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent:
Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:20 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-)
You don't particularly like the Rise trilogy, or POTA 2001 (all of which are blockbu$ter$, even as POTA 2001 eclipses the rest in terms of domestic revenues) and you don't even think Taylor's famous line delivered on the screen in 1968 should carry the year. Are you sure you're in the right Yahoogroup? Just wonderin'...
Yeah, I'm sure I'm in the right group, but are you? Because this has never been the "Let's cheer for everything POTA group." You need to get familiar with the concept that not eveybody's attitude about all things POTA is going to match yours. And I like the reboot trilogy just fine, thank you very much, I'm just not satisfied with it.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76214 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/22/2017 |
| Subject: More weight to Stone doing a POTA |
.html.html They laughed at me when I suggested Oliver Stone could do a POTA movie. AH HA HA HA HA! They'll be sorry. They just announced that Martin Scorsese is going to do a Joker movie. Yes, THAT Martin Scorsese. Considered one of the greatest living filmmakers, etc. Has never touched a blockbuster before (the closest was remaking J. Lee ("Conquest") Thompson's "Cape Fear"). OK, so he's not directing, just producing, but these blockbusters are getting serious. Fun fact: Scorsese was Stone's film teacher. So let's discuss what kind of POTA movie Oliver Stone would do…
Alright, I'll wait. You'll be back! deadline.com/2017/08/the-joker-origin-movie-todd-phillips-martin-scorsese-scott-silver-batman-dc-universe-1202154053/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76215 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this pas |
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Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this past year):
Isn't it a shame that that Forbes article claims that his breakout role was Boogie Nights?
Yes, the movie was profitable but POTA 2001 was a blockbuster that grossed nearly 10 times as much:
The Forbes article doesn't even mention POTA 2001. Our beloved franchise deserves the credit for establishing Wahlberg as a high paid actor. He got around $20 million for Apes, which was quite a lot in 2001. I doubt he got a tenth of that for Boogie Nights or anything else prior to POTA 2001, unless I'm mistaken. But POTA 2001 sure seems to have helped his career....
Purists among us (such as Haristas) would seemingly prefer that Apes not be associated with the former Markie Mark. He's wildly successful as an actor though, just as POTA 2001 remains the highest grossing POTA movie EVER when adjusting for inflation:
Candidly from Houston...
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Message: 76216 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this |
.html.html Fun fact: The music video on the "Boogie Nights" DVD features the late Philip Seymour Hoffman wearing a POTA T-shirt. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: George Taylor georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:05 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this past year)
Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this past year): Isn't it a shame that that Forbes article claims that his breakout role was Boogie Nights? Yes, the movie was profitable but POTA 2001 was a blockbuster that grossed nearly 10 times as much: The Forbes article doesn't even mention POTA 2001. Our beloved franchise deserves the credit for establishing Wahlberg as a high paid actor. He got around $20 million for Apes, which was quite a lot in 2001. I doubt he got a tenth of that for Boogie Nights or anything else prior to POTA 2001, unless I'm mistaken. But POTA 2001 sure seems to have helped his career....
Purists among us (such as Haristas) would seemingly prefer that Apes not be associated with the former Markie Mark. He's wildly successful as an actor though, just as POTA 2001 remains the highest grossing POTA movie EVER when adjusting for inflation:
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Message: 76217 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: More weight to Stone doing a POTA |
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They just announced that Martin Scorsese is going to do a Joker movie. Yes, THAT Martin Scorsese.
This is not good news, this is depressing. That Scorsese is whoring himself like this is a low point in the history of American filmmaking.
I also think you need reminding, Jeffery, that Oliver Stone didn't have much good to say about the original PLANET OF THE APES movies. He thinks they're camp and not very good.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76218 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
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The Forbes article doesn't even mention POTA 2001. Our beloved franchise deserves the credit for establishing Wahlberg as a high paid actor. He got around $20 million for Apes, which was quite a lot in 2001. I doubt he got a tenth of that for Boogie Nights or anything else prior to POTA 2001, unless I'm mistaken. But POTA 2001 sure seems to have helped his career....
Purists among us (such as Haristas) would seemingly prefer that Apes not be associated with the former Markie Mark. He's wildly successful as an actor though, just as POTA 2001 remains the highest grossing POTA movie EVER when adjusting for inflation:
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Message: 76219 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Best movie line of 1968? Hopefully we can keep it there... :-) |
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Fun fact: "War" is the #1 movie in France 3 weeks in a row.
A tribute to the memory of Pierre Boulle, though it's really shameful he's not got a screen credit on any of these reboots.
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Message: 76220 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this |
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Thanks for that fun fact, Jeff. If only Mark Wahlberg didn't feel so rejected for his POTA '01 participation, maybe he'd give similar plugs for the POTA franchise now and then. Then maybe box office revenues for future installments of POTA (if they emerge) could exceed those of War for the POTA...
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Message: 76221 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Did Pierre Boulle get significant compensation for POTA? |
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Our friend haristas has lamented here about how Pierre Boulle hasn't gotten screen credit for any of the new POTA trilogy installments. One can't help but wonder if he sold the rights to POTA to Fox for a comparatively small sum, in light of:
Admittedly, it's not clear how reflective that figure is of his net worth, as it might not include that which his heirs have received over the past 23 years.
George Lucas parlayed his American Graffiti earnings into leverage for subsequently receiving a (negotiated) considerable profit from his Star Wars endeavor (especially for toy rights). Sylvester Stallone similarly parlayed his fortitude into getting a lot for his Rocky participation, albeit through commission-based compensation since they wanted to put someone like Burt Reynolds or Clint Eastwood in his place. He got a relative pittance (maybe $20K) for acting out his Rocky script, plus a percentage of revenues that the producer didn't expect to emerge in the first place because he was unknown at the time.
Pierre Boulle presumably already made quite a bit for Bridge on the River Kwai, but perhaps not. It's quite possible that he didn't foresee the success that Fox would have with his idea of apes over humans. Admittedly, Fox used artistic license to modify things considerably thereafter.
And the trilogy doesn't have much in common with Mr. Boulle's POTA, relative to the 1968 original.
I nevertheless support giving Mr. Boulle screen credit on the DVD / Blu-Ray that's due for release later this year.
Perhaps Haristas might like to start a petition at Change.org.
Well wishes from Houston...
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Message: 76222 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this |
.html.html POTA2001 was from a different time. Back then domestic box office wuz groovy! Now, foreign box office carries POTA and the jury iz still out on "War". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 7:18 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Mark Wahlberg: the world's highest paid actor ($68 million this past year)
The Forbes article doesn't even mention POTA 2001. Our beloved franchise deserves the credit for establishing Wahlberg as a high paid actor. He got around $20 million for Apes, which was quite a lot in 2001. I doubt he got a tenth of that for Boogie Nights or anything else prior to POTA 2001, unless I'm mistaken. But POTA 2001 sure seems to have helped his career....
Purists among us (such as Haristas) would seemingly prefer that Apes not be associated with the former Markie Mark. He's wildly successful as an actor though, just as POTA 2001 remains the highest grossing POTA movie EVER when adjusting for inflation:
That POTA 2001 made so much money is simply an indicator of what tasteless suckers most of the public is, and Wahlberg being the highest paid actor shows how stupid the industry is, and not even Wahlberg mentions POTA 2001 anymore -- because it's a failed movie and a career embarrassment! He's moved on from it. You should too. #sad
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Message: 76223 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Did Pierre Boulle get significant compensation for POTA? |
.html.html .htmlI think he sold the film rights to Arthur P. Jacobs, not FOX.
In a message dated 8/23/2017 11:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Our friend haristas has lamented here about how Pierre Boulle hasn't gotten screen credit for any of the new POTA trilogy installments. One can't help but wonder if he sold the rights to POTA to Fox for a comparatively small sum
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Message: 76224 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Did Pierre Boulle get significant compensation for POTA? |
.html.html I think it's fair to say that Boulle made a fortune on his POTA book over the course of POTA mania. I would say he made more from that book than all his other books combined, but he also wrote "Bridge Over the River Kwai", another successful movie. Between the two I assume he wasn't hurting. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Did Pierre Boulle get significant compensation for POTA? I think he sold the film rights to Arthur P. Jacobs, not FOX.
In a message dated 8/23/2017 11:38:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Our friend haristas has lamented here about how Pierre Boulle hasn't gotten screen credit for any of the new POTA trilogy installments. One can't help but wonder if he sold the rights to POTA to Fox for a comparatively small sum
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Message: 76225 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/24/2017 |
| Subject: Apes trilogy vs. the Free Willy one (box office analysis) |
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A quarter of a century ago (when Batman Returns came out) I read that sequels tend to bring in around 70% of what the originals did. Dawn of the POTA later became an exception but admittedly it was also the first in the franchise to go 3D, too. Meanwhile Koba was one charismatic villain and he got plenty of coverage in Dawn (moreso than in Rise).
I wonder how much of these declines with time happen merely because folks who enjoy the originals on the big screen later become content with seeing sequels via video / DVD / / Blu Ray / pay-per-download / Netflix-style avenues?
Perhaps that explains why Dawn performed so much worse than Rise in terms of Blu-Ray / DVD sales & rentals?
Either way, while our friend haristas laments at how ticket-buyers seem to have lost some interest in viewing unclothed apes fend for themselves, at least things aren't as bad as they are for whales.
Cheers from Houston...
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Message: 76226 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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.html .html.htmlI was looking thru their bin of budget DVDs and ran across a copy of "Planet of the Apes" (1968 version) for $3.74... Even though I already own the film, I picked this one up because I never seen it packaged like this before... The front cover is like the caged Taylor image on the original one sheet poster (pretty much the same color scheme too) and Heston's name and the title/logo (in black) is below the cage image-Some of the letters kind of look like they've been "distressed".... At the bottom, under the logo, there's images of Gorillas from the film, as well as TV's Urko and Zaius...
On the back, where it gives the movie description, it has a shot of the scarecrows on top of the rocks, and below that are a few pictures from the film... Best part of it all is there is no spoiler image of the Statue of Liberty which others have had in the past...
It's got a 2014 copyright date on it, and special features include the audio commentary by McDowall, Hunter, Natalie Trundy and John Chambers, as well as the commentary track by Goldsmith... Also includes the Eric Greene text commentary.
I've never seen this version of packaging before, so I wasn't sure if others might be interested in knowing about it... I am not able to post ictures, or I would have... <.html<.html <.html
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Message: 76227 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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Message: 76228 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
.htmlYou mean this:
It's not the same photo of the cage used for the 1968 1-sheet poster (look at Joe Canutt sticking his head through the bars) but this was a step in the right direction for Fox Home Video. Unfortunately, they totally blew it up with the use of Urko and Zaius from the TV show, and then also put them on the DVD itself. I bought this version on Blu-ray, but only as a collectible.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 25, 2017 6:53 am
Subject: [pota] DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart
I was looking thru their bin of budget DVDs and ran across a copy of "Planet of the Apes" (1968 version) for $3.74... Even though I already own the film, I picked this one up because I never seen it packaged like this before... The front cover is like the caged Taylor image on the original one sheet poster (pretty much the same color scheme too) and Heston's name and the title/logo (in black) is below the cage image-Some of the letters kind of look like they've been "distressed".... At the bottom, under the logo, there's images of Gorillas from the film, as well as TV's Urko and Zaius...
On the back, where it gives the movie description, it has a shot of the scarecrows on top of the rocks, and below that are a few pictures from the film... Best part of it all is there is no spoiler image of the Statue of Liberty which others have had in the past...
It's got a 2014 copyright date on it, and special features include the audio commentary by McDowall, Hunter, Natalie Trundy and John Chambers, as well as the commentary track by Goldsmith... Also includes the Eric Greene text commentary.
I've never seen this version of packaging before, so I wasn't sure if others might be interested in knowing about it... I am not able to post ictures, or I would have...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76229 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: "War": China's back, baby (driver)! |
.html.html China has opened up it's theaters to Hollywood again. Here's how it stacked up opening day: - Valerian - $9.9 million
- Baby Driver - $4.5 million
- Wolf Warrior 2 -?
- Cars 3 - $3 million
Looks like they have a taste for sci-fi. Those films will get two weeks before Spidey opens on 9/8, and then "War" does battle on 9/15. China may be the last chance for POTA to be able to look Mark Wahlberg in the eye again. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76230 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War": China's back, baby (driver)! |
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If only Donaldus Maximus would negotiate better than a mere 25% share of movie proceeds from the Chinese, after having campaigned on trade like he did. Don't they get the best of us enough as it is, with currency manipulation (Mexican style)? Mexico's peso was worth around 3 to the U.S. dollar as of January of 1994. 23 years later, it's hovering at around 18 (600% less). Prices haven't increased 600% in Mexico since 1994, so dollar-denominated revenues, post-conversion, have declined considerably. Devaluation's how countries like Mexico and China boost their edge vs. us gringos... Well Donald's renegotiating NAFTA this year, and maybe things can be done with China too?
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Message: 76231 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
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Yes, that is the one I was referring to.... Like you, I picked it up as a collectible: I'm not even sure if I'll open it to watch it...
And yeah, you're right that they dropped the ball by adding Urko and Zaius... I really like the TV show and those charatcers, but they have no place on the packaging of the original film...
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Message: 76232 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
.html.html Anything is better than those covers that SPOIL the ending. Sure it's iconic and most older people know, but I've asked a number of twenty-something young folks in the last few years about what, if anything they know about the '68 film. Of those who even knew about it very few had seen it and knew the ending.
Fox really blew it on marketing when they OK'ed that packaging. On Aug 25, 2017, at 5:57 PM, "mlccougar@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Yes, that is the one I was referring to.... Like you, I picked it up as a collectible: I'm not even sure if I'll open it to watch it...
And yeah, you're right that they dropped the ball by adding Urko and Zaius... I really like the TV show and those charatcers, but they have no place on the packaging of the original film...
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Message: 76233 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the Apes |
.html.html Has anyone picked this up yet?
Mine is in the mail and will take a while to get to Oz.
There’s only two reviews of Amazon, both are more focused on the book not being a re-print of the comics exactly as they were published.
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Message: 76234 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: DVD of the original PLANET at Walmart |
.htmlPerhaps Fox figured that with so many Apes movies out, it was important to make clear which one has the iconic ending which might very well have played a very significant role in keeping humanity from nuking itself to death before the end of the Cold War (and later).
Maybe they figured that most folks who would see the original likely heard about the ending already, and wanted to see it because of rave reviews from personal acquaintances.
Admittedly, the spoiler's unfortunate. I'm willing to bet that Fox did a study as to which cover would get more to want to watch (and even purchase) POTA 1968 though.
Isn't it great that our beloved movie franchise has survived for nearly 50 years (and counting)?
Cheers from hurricane-land (Houston)
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Message: 76235 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
.html.html Maurice's adoption of Nova in War for the POTA was a plus for that movie, I thought. Perhaps you might agree? At any rate, I think it's interesting (and even heart-warming) to see that real life apes are sometimes inclined to make interspecies adoptions, too:
A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston...
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Message: 76236 |
From: Joey Tirado |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
.html.html I have. Hello. I'm Joey. I read all but rarely interact because I'm a relatively new apes fan (2012+). Anyway I have the book and it's great. There's a wonderful forward by Rich Handley, of course, and there's a colored cover gallery at the end. Besides that it's great to finally have an easy way to read Terror and have it so beautifully packaged. They've put a teaser for a vol. 2 at the end, which will collect the Marvel story Beast on the POTA. Fingers crossed we get into Malibu soon. On Aug 25, 2017, at 5:17 PM, 'MarshallG' mgreythorne@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Has anyone picked this up yet?
Mine is in the mail and will take a while to get to Oz.
There's only two reviews of Amazon, both are more focused on the book not being a re-print of the comics exactly as they were published.
Does anyone have it? Thoughts?
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Message: 76237 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
.html.html Thanks Joey, I was in dire need of hearing a good review.
A nice hardcover dedicated to Terror sounds a gem. I have Vol 2 on pre-order.
It's been a big year of POTA books, the biggest I can recall with a flood of books. Whilst a lot are omnibus' of the old pocket books they are still a good way of widening the collection on the shelf.
The trading card one is a great book. MG
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 10:38 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the Apes
I have. Hello. I'm Joey. I read all but rarely interact because I'm a relatively new apes fan (2012+). Anyway I have the book and it's great. There's a wonderful forward by Rich Handley, of course, and there's a colored cover gallery at the end. Besides that it's great to finally have an easy way to read Terror and have it so beautifully packaged. They've put a teaser for a vol. 2 at the end, which will collect the Marvel story Beast on the POTA. Fingers crossed we get into Malibu soon. On Aug 25, 2017, at 5:17 PM, 'MarshallG' mgreythorne@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com
> wrote: Has anyone picked this up yet?
Mine is in the mail and will take a while to get to Oz.
There's only two reviews of Amazon, both are more focused on the book not being a re-print of the comics exactly as they were published.
Does anyone have it? Thoughts?
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Message: 76238 |
From: Tim |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
.html.html Stay safe there in Houston!!
Tim On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:27 PM, George Taylor georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Maurice's adoption of Nova in War for the POTA was a plus for that movie, I thought. Perhaps you might agree? At any rate, I think it's interesting (and even heart-warming) to see that real life apes are sometimes inclined to make interspecies adoptions, too:
A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston...
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Message: 76239 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
.html.html Welcome Joey.
I haven't picked it up myself yet, but somewhere along the way I thought I read that they would be in color, or at least partially. Are they? I thought that perhaps they would include the main PotA movie storylines in colour and keep Terror in B/W since that is how the German version of the magazines were made. Dario
On Aug 26, 2017, at 8:37 AM, "Joey Tirado joseph.tirado@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have. Hello. I'm Joey. I read all but rarely interact because I'm a relatively new apes fan (2012+). Anyway I have the book and it's great. There's a wonderful forward by Rich Handley, of course, and there's a colored cover gallery at the end. Besides that it's great to finally have an easy way to read Terror and have it so beautifully packaged. They've put a teaser for a vol. 2 at the end, which will collect the Marvel story Beast on the POTA. Fingers crossed we get into Malibu soon. On Aug 25, 2017, at 5:17 PM, 'MarshallG' mgreythorne@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Has anyone picked this up yet?
Mine is in the mail and will take a while to get to Oz.
There's only two reviews of Amazon, both are more focused on the book not being a re-print of the comics exactly as they were published.
Does anyone have it? Thoughts?
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Message: 76240 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
.htmlI just ordered my copy through Barnes and Noble. Anyway I can't wait for it to arrive!
On August 26, 2017, at 12:11 PM, "Dario dario.sciola@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Welcome Joey.
I haven't picked it up myself yet, but somewhere along the way I thought I read that they would be in color, or at least partially. Are they? I thought that perhaps they would include the main PotA movie storylines in colour and keep Terror in B/W since that is how the German version of the magazines were made. Dario
On Aug 26, 2017, at 8:37 AM, "Joey Tirado joseph.tirado@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I have. Hello. I'm Joey. I read all but rarely interact because I'm a relatively new apes fan (2012+). Anyway I have the book and it's great. There's a wonderful forward by Rich Handley, of course, and there's a colored cover gallery at the end. Besides that it's great to finally have an easy way to read Terror and have it so beautifully packaged. They've put a teaser for a vol. 2 at the end, which will collect the Marvel story Beast on the POTA. Fingers crossed we get into Malibu soon. On Aug 25, 2017, at 5:17 PM, 'MarshallG' mgreythorne@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Has anyone picked this up yet?
Mine is in the mail and will take a while to get to Oz.
There's only two reviews of Amazon, both are more focused on the book not being a re-print of the comics exactly as they were published.
Does anyone have it? Thoughts?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76241 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
.htmlThanks. It appears that Harvey won't be nearly as bad as Ike was for Houston, nearly a decade ago. :-)
We lost electricity for several days during Ike. Had I known of the potential benefit back then, I'd have proclaimed that I need to speak to Caesar.
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Message: 76242 |
From: Dario |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
.html.html Is Houston taking a hit from Harvey? Hope not for your sake.
Make sure your PotA collection is safe from flood waters. The PotA boys "down under" (Michael and Neil) had their collections (and other goods) take a hard hit when Australia had that storm surge a few years ago. The greatest loss were of course some of Neil's fantastic original PotA artwork. At one point Neil's house was almost completely submerged with only the roof and attic still above the waterline. They did save some stuff by scrambling before the surge to get some of it to higher ground. Dario
On Aug 25, 2017, at 10:27 PM, "George Taylor georgetaylor68@... [pota]" <
pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Maurice's adoption of Nova in War for the POTA was a plus for that movie, I thought. Perhaps you might agree? At any rate, I think it's interesting (and even heart-warming) to see that real life apes are sometimes inclined to make interspecies adoptions, too:
A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76243 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
.htmlFortunately my Apes stuff is wrapped in plastic and elevated. More fortunately still, Harvey hasn't been as harsh for Houston as we had worried.
Hey here's a Beneath question... did it not rain after the year 3950ish or something? We saw lightning but no rain. But there had to be some rain so where would the water have gone upon trickling down and reaching the Underdwellers? How did they avoid flooding and major mildew issues? Surely James has thought this one through, as have others. I guess the Alpha Omega bomb might have killed the mildew. But can you imagine Manhattan without drainage? The place would seemingly be inundated. They're bound to have thought this through long ago, though. |
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Message: 76244 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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The ocean levels seemed to have dropped in PLANET and BENEATH.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 26, 2017 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too...
Fortunately my Apes stuff is wrapped in plastic and elevated. More fortunately still, Harvey hasn't been as harsh for Houston as we had worried.
Hey here's a Beneath question... did it not rain after the year 3950ish or something? We saw lightning but no rain. But there had to be some rain so where would the water have gone upon trickling down and reaching the Underdwellers? How did they avoid flooding and major mildew issues? Surely James has thought this one through, as have others. I guess the Alpha Omega bomb might have killed the mildew. But can you imagine Manhattan without drainage? The place would seemingly be inundated. They're bound to have thought this through long ago, though.
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Message: 76245 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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Message: 76246 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 8/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
.htmlI noticed that too. Could it have been an after-affect of the nuclear war?
Zach
On August 26, 2017, at 4:54 PM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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The ocean levels seemed to have dropped in PLANET and BENEATH.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 26, 2017 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too...
Fortunately my Apes stuff is wrapped in plastic and elevated. More fortunately still, Harvey hasn't been as harsh for Houston as we had worried.
Hey here's a Beneath question... did it not rain after the year 3950ish or something? We saw lightning but no rain. But there had to be some rain so where would the water have gone upon trickling down and reaching the Underdwellers? How did they avoid flooding and major mildew issues? Surely James has thought this one through, as have others. I guess the Alpha Omega bomb might have killed the mildew. But can you imagine Manhattan without drainage? The place would seemingly be inundated. They're bound to have thought this through long ago, though.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76247 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, Haristas & Zach? |
.htmlHow could the ocean levels have dropped if Lady Liberty's up to her pits in water (& sand) by 3950?
Perhaps the foundation under her collapsed so she simply sank?
What signs of purportedly fallen ocean levels are there from POTA '68 and Beneath?
How could that be reconciled with the level of The Cave where they found a talking doll?
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Message: 76248 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Mexico: third in the world for War for the POTA revenues... and 70% |
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Doesn't it seem that our enthusiasm for POTA has rubbed off on our Mexican neighbors? Mexico currently ranks #3 in the world for War for the POTA revenues, behind merely the UK and France (which have more stable, diversified and sophisticated economies...albeit debt-plagued ones):
Around 70% of Mexico's population's under age 30, so they'll remain a force in terms of movie ticket consumption that could benefit the Apes franchise for years to come:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.htmlbr>
It would seemingly help to take Mexico's opinion into account if and when more Apes sequels are launched. Japan certainly can't say the same as far as its comparatively aging population goes. Besides, unlike the UK, France and Japan, Mexico's not as debt-ridden:
And unlike in China, Mexico doesn't hoard 75% of the ticket sales revenues (but rather more like 50%).
Having said that, China and Japan apparently have yet to premiere War for the POTA. I don't see Canada on the list too, but its population's at least 10 times smaller than Mexico's.
Mexico's catchin' on to our franchise, and it's encouraging. :-)
Mexicans in Mexico spent over $25 million watching Dawn of the POTA at the box office, by the way.
Evidently our enthusiasm for POTA has been contagious.
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Message: 76249 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
.htmlI didn't think there was water up to Lady Liberty's "boobies" but she was broken and knocked of her perch, so I would say some sort of tidlewave happened before the oceans descended. A lack of moon would have a major effect on tides and water flow.
Prayers to all the human and simian gods for every being in Huston and other Texas areas. Hope all our friends are staying safe and dry. |
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Message: 76250 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: The "War" is lost? |
.html.html "War 4 the Planet" now totals $360 million worldwide. Though it still has China and Japan to go, it's doubtful now it will even pass Rise's worldwide of $482 million. But Fox is resilient when it comes to sequels and, well, they haven't had any huge successes this year. - Logan - $616 million worldwide
- Boss Baby - $498 m. ww
- War - $360 m. ww (so far)
- Alien - $233 m. ww
- Capt.. Underpants - $98 m. ww
- Snatched - $61 m. ww
- Diary of a Wimpy Kid - $39 m. ww
POTA is still one of their top franchises. If it can still scratch and claw to $500 million (hi, China!) that would be great. The battle may be lost but the war could still be won. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76251 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76252 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, Haristas & Zach |
.htmlI think, for one, that what you've mentioned regarding the Statue sinking is true. Could it be possible that radiation levels over the centuries could have somehow had something to do with it as well? It would have affected the atmosphere where hardly any rain fell? And I read how "land masses had shifted so there was no longer ocean" in the Timeline.
Zach
On August 27, 2017, at 1:30 PM, "georgetaylor68@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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How could the ocean levels have dropped if Lady Liberty's up to her pits in water (& sand) by 3950?
Perhaps the foundation under her collapsed so she simply sank?
What signs of purportedly fallen ocean levels are there from POTA '68 and Beneath?
How could that be reconciled with the level of The Cave where they found a talking doll?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76253 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too... |
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Even as the ocean level reaches Lady Liberty's boobies?
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 26, 2017 6:01 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Some real apes adopt youngsters of other species, too...
Even as the ocean level reaches Lady Liberty's boobies?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76254 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Power Records POTA adaptations for Kindle users |
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Speaking of efforts to bring older material back into print:
Chris L.
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Message: 76255 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H |
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While avoiding the temptation to get too far into a BENEATH-related
discussion, I will mention that the ruins of NYC are clearly **nowhere**
near either the Statue of Liberty or any bodies of water. Also, having
actually been in underground caves I can tell you that drainage naturally
sorts itself out when they form. If not, the underground cave wouldn't be
there in the first place but rather an underground lake.
Chris L.
georgetaylor68 wrote:
>>Hey here's a Beneath question... did it not rain after the year
3950ish or something? We saw lightning but no rain. But there had to be some
rain so where would the water have gone upon trickling down and reaching the
Underdwellers? How did they avoid flooding and major mildew issues? Surely James
has thought this one through, as have others. I guess the Alpha Omega bomb might
have killed the mildew. But can you imagine Manhattan without drainage? The
place would seemingly be inundated. They're bound to have thought this through
long ago, though. <<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76256 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: El Rey Network goes Ape Pat Deux |
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Could be any of a number of different reasons. Maximizing viewership during
certain times of the day depending on what kind of advertising has been paid
for, or that a certain film pulled in good numbers when previously run in a
particular timeslot so why not try to accomplish that again, or even a regional
in-joke like the fact that The 4:30 Movie airing of BATTLE was
always shown on Fridays during a hodgepodge week of Science Fictions movies
(during the actual POTA week they could only show four of the movies since
PLANET was always a two-parter) so it's gets slotted in the same basic time
frame. All that being said, I'm glad they're just focusing on the classic POTA
universe and not including Marky-Mark on the Planet of the Apes. Both TV series
have their merits as well, although I'll again point out how RETURN actually has
more going for it in terms of an ongoing backstory/narrative, supporting
characters, and not repeating itself week in and week out.
Chris L.
georgetaylor68 wrote:
>>And what's with the strange ordering of those movies? Do they not
know what they're doing in terms of ordering the releases?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76257 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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Although it's nice to see these get the hardcover treatment, it's really
hard to justify buying them again when I already own a complete set of the
original Marvel magazines as well as Adventures on the POTA, plus all the
different Adventure/Malibu Comics reprints of PLANET, BENEATH, ESCAPE, and
TERROR. It got me thinking though that aside from the 2014 hardcover (The
Evolution) and the 2013 (ahem) "philosophy" book, I don't think I've bought a
book about POTA since 2002 when Amazon had all those nonfiction titles (Legend
of the POTA, Chronicles, Unofficial Companion, Revisited) for a couple bucks
each. Prior to that, it was both 'American Myth' and the Unofficial Guide to
Collectibles' back in the 90's. Brian Pendreigh's books remains my personal
favorite of the bunch, and the Collectibles guide remains the biggest
disappointment as it spent far too much time on custom made items as opposed to
merchandise actually made available to the general public.
Joey Tirado wrote:
>>They've put a teaser for a vol. 2 at the end, which will collect
the Marvel story Beast on the POTA. Fingers crossed we get into Malibu soon.
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Aside from the reprints of the Marvel stuff, Urchak's Folly, and- to a
lesser extent- Sins of the Father & Blood of the Apes, anything
original Malibu did needs to be hunted down and incinerated. Four
words: ghost of Governor Break. Three more: Ape City miniseries. Awful,
dreadful, stuff.
mgreythorne wrote:
>>Its been a big year of POTA books, the biggest I can recall with a
flood of books. Whilst a lot are omnibus of the old pocket books they are still
a good way of widening the collection on the shelf <<
It's nice to see that the Omnibus series will (eventually) cover the four
sequel adaptations as well as the paperbacks released in conjunction with both
the live action series and RETURN, but I really have to question the inclusion
of the Marky Mark adaptation in Volume 2. I'd guess that the original
Boulle story was too cost prohibitive to license, and there obviously was never
a paperback adaptation of the 1968 film, but why not just leave Volume 1 as
BENEATH and ESCAPE, then Volume 2 as CONQUEST and BATTLE? I suspect that
someone, somewhere has an agenda but also hope that I'm wrong. Anything
related to the 2001 film is fruit from the poisoned tree, and neither the
original novels (four, as I recall) nor the various Dark Horse
books needs including is this (otherwise, outstanding) effort to bring
older material back into print.
Chris L.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76258 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Simian villain |
.htmlI've noticed less screenings of WAR in my area (New Orleans) and I'm sure it will be leaving our theaters soon, but I've done my part taking family and friends to see it for at least six times and counting. Some critics argued that the movie might have done better if the apes had a stronger human protagonist to identify with then the mute girl, Nova. I say, perhaps, the picture would have scored better box office with a stronger simian villain like Urses, Thade or Koba. I thumbs up loved the new movie, but if I had to list its disappointments, my biggest would be the underdevelopment of Red, the gorilla character. We never truly understand why he would become a donkey and bring harm to his fellow apes. W
e know Red does not like Caesar's leadership because Caesar lacks the abilitiy to "fear humans," but h
is hatred of humans does not seem to run as deep as Urses or Koba. Does Red have a true admiration of the Colonel or is he just executing a "keep your enemies closer" type approach to the situation? If so, what are his plans for survival after Caesar's eventual defeat? Koba had a rich back story that was carried over from the previous film and was fleshed out further in the novelization and prequel novel. Red is a brand new character who was not in the previous movie. I have not read very far into the new novelization, but we don't get any of Red's thoughts and perspectives about the opening battle and his capture, so I'm not expecting the novel to reveal much, and Red and Winter's storyline in "revelations" prequel novel is not very large and lacks some insight. I like Red a lot. I just wish I knew more about him. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76259 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H |
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While avoiding the temptation to get too far into a BENEATH-related
discussion, I will mention that the ruins of NYC are clearly **nowhere**
near either the Statue of Liberty or any bodies of water. I'll not avoid the temptation, dammit!
The matte painting of the ruins of Manhattan in BENEATH is from the Brooklyn side of the East River (one of many geographic errors in BENEATH since the ape army would have approached Manhattan from the west or Jersey side, but we just have to live with it). The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge in the lower left of the painting is plainly seen. The East River is dried up, and so we can assume most of New York Harbor has receded as well. The ruins of The Statue of Liberty would be off to the left of the matte painting along a new eroded shoreline to the Atlantic Ocean. The cave where Cornelius had his diggings would be located along the shore further south of that. I believe that the scene where Taylor and Nova see the Mutant's illusions are on the dried up bed of New York Harbor. It would have been nice if there had been added in the distance a hazy matte painting of the ruined New York skyline, but such was the crazy production of BENEATH THE
PLANET OF THE APES. The main title sequence of BENEATH makes it look as if Taylor and Nova on horseback wandered around quite a ways after finding the statue ruins, but as with many things in BENEATH, this makes little sense. BENEATH is truly a mess.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76260 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Power Records POTA adaptations for Kindle users |
.html.html Hehe, very cool. From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:52 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Power Records POTA adaptations for Kindle users
Speaking of efforts to bring older material back into print: <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76261 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
.html.html I think basically that Red and the other ape "donkeys" want to live no matter what. They feel like the humans will win because of their technology. Kind of like the Sonderkommandos, the Jews who helped the Nazis so that they wouldn't be gassed (though the Nazis would eventually gas them anyway and pick new ones). Red is also a main player in the prequel novel "Revelations" as one of the apes that followed Koba and now rebel against Caesar. They feel Caesar is weak because he has sympathy for humans and will eventually lose. The prequel doesn't get into them joining the humans, the plot is they kidnap the ape citizens and try to form their own society in hiding while Caesar and the others are fighting and dying against the humans.
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I've noticed less screenings of WAR in my area (New Orleans) and I'm sure it will be leaving our theaters soon, but I've done my part taking family and friends to see it for at least six times and counting. Some critics argued that the movie might have done better if the apes had a stronger human protagonist to identify with then the mute girl, Nova. I say, perhaps, the picture would have scored better box office with a stronger simian villain like Urses, Thade or Koba.
I thumbs up loved the new movie, but if I had to list its disappointments, my biggest would be the underdevelopment of Red, the gorilla character. We never truly understand why he would become a donkey and bring harm to his fellow apes. We know Red does not like Caesar's leadership because Caesar lacks the abilitiy to "fear humans," but his hatred of humans does not seem to run as deep as Urses or Koba. Does Red have a true admiration of the Colonel or is he just executing a "keep your enemies closer" type approach to the situation? If so, what are his plans for survival after Caesar's eventual defeat? Koba had a rich back story that was carried over from the previous film and was fleshed out further in the novelization and prequel novel. Red is a brand new character who was not in the previous movie. I have not read very far into the new novelization, but we don't get any of Red's thoughts and perspectives about the opening battle and his
capture, so I'm not expecting the novel to reveal much, and Red and Winter's storyline in "revelations" prequel novel is not very large and lacks some insight. I like Red a lot. I just wish I knew more about him. <.html |
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