This is how my "catalog" is laid out...I initially
based it on Sausvilles' book but have changed it in
ways. I know this might not be interesting to some but
, what can I say! I seem to be obsessed and it's a
whole lot of fun....Tim

PRINT
-Posters
-Pressbooks
-Programs
-8x10 Color Lobbys
-Color Stills
-11 x14 lobbys
-Foreign Lobbys
-B&W stills
-8 x10 Photos

ITEMS
-Banks
-Candy Boxes
-Kitchen Items
-Misc. Items (garbage cans, bike flags, etc.)

APPAREL
-Shirts, hats etc.
-Costumes/Masks

FIGURES & MODELS
-Mego
-Mego Bendies
-Hasbro
-Medicom
-Kubrick
-Misc. Figures (plush,pupperts, Chris Hight)
-Mix n' Mold
-Models
-Busts

PLAYSETS /GAMES
-Megos, Ring toss, Board game etc.
-Puzzles

MEDIA
-Vinyl Records
-CD's
-Super 8 Films/Trailers
-VHS (and Beta)
-DVD
-Laser Discs
-Video Games
-Misc. (Viewmasters)

TRADING CARDS
-Movie
-TV
-Archives
-Heston set
-Postcards

BOOKS, COMICS MAGAZINES
-Book and Record
-Activity Books
-Hardcover Books
-Paperbacks
-Comics
-Magazines

It had a different cover and a couple pages of a "prequel" story. I think
the cover had a heavier stock, almost like cardboard. It was only available
through the company, you couldn't buy it in stores. I think they also did a
"special edition" of the first issue of their POTA series. I'd have to
check. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave B" <smugster@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:40 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Issue 1 of Adventures Comics


> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> There was only 1 special edition of "Ape Nation" # 1, plus the regular
edition. I
> have both. - - - Jeff
>
> Jeff,
> What was special about the special edition?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

> 3. BEHIND DVD question
> From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>

Well, I think what they are talking about is selectable from the "scarecrow
ape" picture on the menu. I think it's sort of an easter egg.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

> I think they also did a "special edition" of the first issue of

their POTA series. I'd have to check. - - - Jeff

They did. I have just uploaded pictures of the front and back covers
of this collectors edition. You can find them in the photos section
in the Misc. folder.

Neil

Thanks Hunter - I'll download this when I get home from work!

Michael

> ----------
> From: Hunter Goatley[SMTP:GOATHUNTER@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:28:07 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Issue 1 of Adventures Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
> Thirdly, befor I continue I need to get some software that reduces
> my pictures....

The best (IMO) image viewer for PCs is IrfanView:

http://www.irfanview.com/

It's free, displays most anything, and nicely resizes images. It's
more viewer than editor, but if all you need to do is resize and
simple edits (cropping, etc), it can't be beat.

Hunter

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> The best (IMO) image viewer for PCs is IrfanView:
>
> http://www.irfanview.com/
>
> It's free, displays most anything, and nicely resizes images. It's
> more viewer than editor, but if all you need to do is resize and
> simple edits (cropping, etc), it can't be beat.
>
> Hunter

I agree with you 100% here Hunter. Irfanview is great, I couldn't
survive without it! I use it all the time and like you said... It's
free and I would recommend it to anyone!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> as it is written, so shall it be.
>
> and since this is a somewhat OT post, i will add something else

unrelated...

> a while back i mentioned that i was attacked by a police officer;

today i made copies of numerous police reports where his girlfreind
claimed that he assaulted her.

> now i know that i am not crazy LOL
> rob
>

+++ Ron,

I talked to you on private e-mail about this a while ago.

No, you are NOT mad. Thankfully, you seem to be a little more
sensitive and aware than most of the psychos around you.

Legal stuff -- bah! Takes forever. Hopefully you'll sort it out
and what should prevail WILL prevail -- if you know what I mean.

Forget OT -- let us know how you are.

(Fellow Dog Lover)

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Rich Handley <handleyr@o...> wrote:

>
> >From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> >PS This group in no way condones the attacking of police

officers... ;)

>
> Oh, great. There goes MY weekend.

++ THAT was funny.

Anon.

"shanter2002" <mail@... > wrote:

>>Has anybody seen page44 of this yet? It's the Spidey issue(a truly

amazing movie, very highly recommended!) and they do a feature
called 'How to think like a superstar'.Tim Burton is pictured in a
spoof pic of him holding, weirdly, a Topps TV Series card featuring
Dr Zaius with the tagline'Sincerely praise the movies, songs or TV
shows that influenced and inspired you....but feel free to remake
them so badly that future generations never want to see them
again'.Ouch! <<


Couldn't have phrased that an better myself. This made me think of what
Roger Ebert said when he reviewed Apes 2001; "In 100 years, people are
only going to remember the original".


'Nuff said. Excelsior!!!


Chris L(ee).

ron kenner <brindlepit2002@... > wrote:

>>as a 12 year old, (at the time) a big appeal may have been my ability

to relate to a world of isolation, desolation, and hopelessness, as well
as feelings of being an outcast in a world populated by bizarre
caricatures. (i'm better now LOL but still love pota) <<


I think that's why a lot of us retreated into SciFi/Fantasy (and Mego
action figures)- it gave us a way to deal with all the stuff that was
going through our heads at the time.


Chris

Zira does refer to Cornelius as "my fiancee", so the date certainly
could've been set before Taylor arrived. And you're right about the date
of their marriage not having any bearing on their relationship or the
story told in Planet. I think the whole discussion came about when people
were trying to decide what events happened between the first two films.
It probably made sense to most readers that they'd wait until all the
turmoil (their trial, etc) was over.


Chris L.


"James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>>True there is no line in Planet to indicate it happened and it is

pure speculation. If not for them being married in Beneath there
wouldn't even be the speculation. But consider two things. First to
answer your question, what if the date of the wedding had been set
long before Taylor arrived. Second, does C&Z being married in the
second half of Planet intrinsically change their overall
relationship or the story being told in Planet. <<



Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

>> I hadn't thought of that before. I guess this would fall into

character
speculation. Do you think they would get married during all the turmoil
that was happening? If they had gotten married, I would have almost
expected it to be referred somewhere in the film (at the trial, or when
Zaius is talking to Taylor afterwards). Though it not being mentioned
doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen. <<

Yep. BTW, did we ever get an answer on what the other two versions were
of the limited Ape Nation #1?


Chris L.



"Alan Maxwell" <alan@...> wrote:

>>Actually, I'm not sure how to tell the difference because although

there are three different versions (apparently) I've never seen the
other two. Does yours have a cover by Peter Hsu? <<


"Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...> wrote:

>> I had no idea there was more than one limited edition of the first

issue
of Ape Nation. How do I tell which is which? Mine has a painted cover and
a designation number across the top (i.e. No. XXXX). I don't know how
many were made (1000 maybe?), but the one I'm keeping for my collection
has the same layout (but a higher number). <<

I was talking about this with Chris Hight the other day, and something
occurred to me that I want to throw by the group: do you suppose that the
animated series is where Mego got the idea to change the color scheme of
Zaius' costume? Also, since I never owned Cornelius or Zira, so I don't
know how well the outfits match up to the films. Or are they closer to
the animated series, like the Zaius outfit is...?


Chris L.


mlccougar@... wrote:

>>It's not so much that the costumes themselves changed, it's the

colorization(s) changing that I think was wrong...<<


lawford42@... (me) wrote:

>> I couldn't tell you why some of them changed during the transition

from
screen character to action figure, but some were pretty close too (Zira
&
Cornelius especially). <<

So am I Neil! I just recently watched (most) of the RETURN series, and I
don't remember any giant apes. Unless it was in one of the last few
episodes...?


Chris L.



"Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>>I thought we were talking about the Marvel mags? now I'm even more

confused than usual! ;-) <<


"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>Return! You know - the one we were talking about doing a COLORING BOOK

for
that would be much like to others on Hunter's site...same style etc...???
<<


Neil (again):

>>Which story had giant apes?? <<

Not even going to guess what that stands for- care to enlighten me?

Also, does anyone of the DG know what 'URL' stands for? A few of us have
been trying to figure it out.


Chris L.


PS- Oh, what the hell-- Planet Of Mutant Singers?



"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>...(I think the POMS like the TV Show!). <<

That IS interesting. I'd certainly like to talk to someone who was in
charge of publicity for Fox back then and see if using a NYC zip code was
an intentional ideas suggested by the film makers or just a PR person
using his imagination. Though, given what everyone thought (back then)
about what the future would be, 'Megalopolis' seems like a feasible
renaming of NYC.


Chris L.


"James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>>I believe the concept for Conquest was that it was a generic 'city

of the future'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

What's interesting and this is in no way cannon, the promotional
Herald for Conquest refers to the city as Megalopolis in the
masthead which is followed by 10044 which is a NYC zip code. <<


Chris <lawford42@...> wrote:

>> That makes sense. The more I think about it, the more possibilities

arise. In one sense, it could be NYC because in both PLANET and
BATTLE, the trip took three days. And the cave in PLANET was certainly in
proximity to some of NYC. You'd just think that in CONQUEST, there'd be
some reference to it being a major metropolis like NYC. Of course, we
again can only wonder what was left on the cutting room floor. <<

Could you post the cover to the DG files section?


Chris L.



"Alan Maxwell" <alan@...> wrote:

>>I think it's just about the making of the films and so on. It came out

around the time of the remake and looks like a fairly typical cash-in.
I only bought it because it was cheap (and I liked the cover, which is
taken from a Spanish movie poster). <<


"Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...> wrote:

>> What's the other Spanish POTA book you have about? <<

Actually, this sentiment was echoed to a large extent at the MegoCon.
After the Q & A session, a few of us were talking with Neal Kublan (Vice
President of Mego's Research and Development) and someone made the
comment that the reason almost everyone looks back on their Megos so
fondly is because of all the positive memories associated with them.

To take this a step further, I was talking with the webmaster of a
Micronauts website (the same guy who set up that AMAZING display) about
how bad the new Micronauts comic was, and how much better I thought the
original Marvel series was. While he agreed with me on that point, he
also suggested that if I went back and reread them, I wouldn't be quite
so impressed today as I was then. I haven't done that as of yet, but much
like POTA, Micronauts is another classic property that's currently being
mismanaged/mishandled by the people who hold the rights.

Greg does make a very valid point- the feelings we had the first time we
saw something (in our cases, most of us were wide eyed, impressionable,
imaginative children), tend to stay with us for most of our lives. Even
if we reread/revisited something, I suppose it would depend on the
quality of the material as to how well it stacked up over the years and
if it was as good as we remembered it being (without letting
sentimentality get in the way).

To give a different example: I (as well as most of you, I'm guessing)
watched a lot of cartoons as a child. Things like the original 1967
Spiderman series, Rocky & Bullwinkle, and the classic Hanna-Barbera
characters (Huckleberry Hound,Yogi Bear) I can (and still do) watch and
enjoy as much as I did when I first saw them. Other stuff (Speed Racer
immediately comes to mind) perplexes me as to what the hell the original
appeal was. When MTV was running it back in the mid 90's, I couldn't
stand watching it for more than 5 minutes!


Chris L.



Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

>> I have to side with the folks who fondly remember the Marvel comics.

The very first comic book I ever bought was Marvel's Adventures on the
Planet of the Apes #5, which reprinted the 5th chapter of their Planet
adaptation in color. I read that comic over and over many times, and this
was prior to seeing the film on TV, although I had been watching the
series and had seen Battle on TV. It took a few years for me to acquired
the rest of the color reprint comics as well as all of the magazines. I
remember having a marathon reading session when I got the last few mags
to fill in my collection. Man, what a great day that was.

I think that part of the strong feelings that some of us have for these
comics relates to how old we were when we read them and whether or not we
read them back when they were released and Apemania was in it's prime.
Perhaps if I were reading them now for the first time I may not enjoy
them as much as I did then (I'd probably have a similar reaction to the
one I had when I read the Adventure comics when those came out in the
90s). Still, I don't reject them as 'not Apes', they just fit into a
different corner of the entire Apes phenomenon for me. <<

Greg Plonowski <urko3085@... > wrote:

>>Actually, it was Mr. Abrams mother who designed the costumes. Changes

were made based on availability of materials, and sometimes materials had
to be changed if what they had been using became unavailable (which
probably explains why there are so many variations on the Soldier Ape
tunics). <<


Right, right, right- I knew that. And I was only sitting right next to
you when he told the crowd...

>>Mr. Abrams did say at the con that they tried to be as faithful to the

costumes as costs and available materials allowed, as they knew kids were
sharp enough to notice when the costumes weren't right. When he said this
he was talking about the super-hero costumes, but I'd imagine it applied
equally to all of the licensed properties. <<


What was the story he told about one of the original run of the 'World's
Greatest Super Heroes' figures missing an emblem on their costume? Was it
Superman?


Chris L.

"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>I think the mention of the weather was to:

(1) show it is NOT earth (or at least what we know earth to be);

(2) suggest that (later when we know it IS earth) much has changed. <<


Those sneaky little film makers!! Trying to hide the twist ending like
that...

Actually, whoever posted the comment about the cloud covered night
preventing them from realizing where they are (by seeing the stars)
pretty much hit the nail right on the head. It was a plot device, but one
that fit rather well into the story considering the fact that it was
supposed to be a post-apocalyptic Earth.

BTW (for all you astronomy types out there)- I remember once (a very long
time ago) reading an article stating that at some point down the road
(thousands of years maybe?) that people in the Northern hemisphere will
be able to see all the stuff that people in the Southern hemisphere see
now (the Southern Cross, etc). It almost read like the planet would
eventually rotate upside-down on it's axis (I hope I'm phrasing that
correctly). Does this sound familiar to anyone, and if so, wouldn't it be
feasible that this had happened to 40th Century Earth- either by natural
events or by the effects of a nuclear war?


Chris L.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:

> So am I Neil! I just recently watched (most) of the RETURN series,

and I don't remember any giant apes. Unless it was in one of the
last few...?

Chris, a giant ape did feature in a couple of episodes.
Without going back through my tapes to find the exact episodes I'll
take a guess at it but I'm pretty sure it's in the one where Bill
and Cornelius use a balloon to get up a mountain to hide a book, and
there is an episode where it fights the flying dragon bird thingy.
Come to think of it wasn't it named Kygoor or something like that?

Neil

I only have one limited issue version - I'll be scanning this and uploading
with links when I get home.

I think there is juat the one limited edition Ape Nation #1, and a Limited
Edition POTA #1.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:53 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Adventure Comics for sale


Yep. BTW, did we ever get an answer on what the other two versions were
of the limited Ape Nation #1?


Chris L.







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POMS is what we Aussies call the English.

Short for POMPOUS! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:14 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] abbreviations


Not even going to guess what that stands for- care to enlighten me?

Also, does anyone of the DG know what 'URL' stands for? A few of us have
been trying to figure it out.


Chris L.


PS- Oh, what the hell-- Planet Of Mutant Singers?







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>From: < veetus@...>
>Subject: Re: Issue 1 of Adventures Comics
>There's no way there was 20 colors. I would've seen some of them. I think
>there was only the 3. There was only 1 special edition of "Ape Nation" #
>1, plus the regular edition. I have both. - - - Jeff

Correct -- as far as I know, they only did the cover in four colors --
green, pink, light yellow and dark yellow, plus the regular edition and
limited special edition.

>From: "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...>
> > >From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> > >PS This group in no way condones the attacking of police
>officers... ;)
> > Oh, great. There goes MY weekend.
>++ THAT was funny.

Thanks. :)

>From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
>Also, does anyone of the DG know what 'URL' stands for? A few of us have
>been trying to figure it out.

Uniform Resource Locator

> Also, does anyone of the DG know what 'URL' stands for? A few of us have
> been trying to figure it out.

Uniform Resource Locator.

Kygoor? Sounds Scottish!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: giant apes

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:
> So am I Neil! I just recently watched (most) of the RETURN series,
and I don't remember any giant apes. Unless it was in one of the
last few...?

Chris, a giant ape did feature in a couple of episodes.
Without going back through my tapes to find the exact episodes I'll
take a guess at it but I'm pretty sure it's in the one where Bill
and Cornelius use a balloon to get up a mountain to hide a book, and
there is an episode where it fights the flying dragon bird thingy.
Come to think of it wasn't it named Kygoor or something like that?

Neil







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The First Mego Dr.Zaius's came out in 1974 about a year before the TV and
cartoon series. Maybe it's the reverse, the animators decided to emulate the
Mego style costume.

Mike

>Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:25:44 -0400
> From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
>Subject: Re: Mego costumes
>
>I was talking about this with Chris Hight the other day, and something
>occurred to me that I want to throw by the group: do you suppose that the
>animated series is where Mego got the idea to change the color scheme of
>Zaius' costume? Also, since I never owned Cornelius or Zira, so I don't
>know how well the outfits match up to the films. Or are they closer to
>the animated series, like the Zaius outfit is...?
>
>
>Chris L.

on 8/11/04 6:29 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

I think Conquest dealt with the US becoming more and more facist....that
sort of thing? Terrorism?

Michael

Gosh, Whitty.... I never saw Conquest as a big statement that the U.S. was
becoming more facist. But perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps all doom soaked
sci-fi future stories (that just happen to be SET in the United States) are
a comment on how bad us Americans MIGHT become!

Or MAYBE...

The story of a facist future state that MIGHT come about if WE all as humans
on this here little planet of OURS don't remain ever vigilant was simply SET
in the United States... because the U.S. was a major hub of Western
civilization in the 20th century when Conquest was made. But come to think
of it, the opening of Conquest states that it's "NORTH AMERICA!" which could
also incude or even.... GOD NO!!!... be Canada!

But, naaahhhhh!!!!!

Americans (and only Americans!) will one day eat eachother as Soylent Green.
Americans will one day be killed off at the age of 30 in a special
ceremony... and if we you don't want to die, they'll send special killers
called Sandmen after us!

But then... if all that ONLY happens in the U.S.... then Australia will
become a vast wasteland dominated by motorized gangs who will murder to get
"the juice" and not even Mad Max will be able to stop them! ;)

Will


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:

> But then... if all that ONLY happens in the U.S.... then Australia will
> become a vast wasteland dominated by motorized gangs who will murder to

get

> "the juice" and not even Mad Max will be able to stop them! ;)

And everyone in the UK will go blind and get eaten by Triffids!

Dave

on 8/12/04 9:25 PM, Chris Lawless at lawford42@... wrote:

I was talking about this with Chris Hight the other day, and something
occurred to me that I want to throw by the group: do you suppose that the
animated series is where Mego got the idea to change the color scheme of
Zaius' costume? Also, since I never owned Cornelius or Zira, so I don't
know how well the outfits match up to the films. Or are they closer to
the animated series, like the Zaius outfit is...?


Chris L.


I've always thought that the reason Urko is wearing orange in the cartoon is
because of the gold/tan/butterscotch? uniform that the Mego Ursus/Urko
figure is wearing. Gold seems to translate to orange in the cartoon world.
I remember as a kid, having this HUGE argument with a kid from school about
whether or not Captain's kirk's shirt was gold (yellow) or orange. He swore
up and down it was orange and I kept telling him it was supposed to be gold.
It certainly looked orange in the filmation cartoon but I still think it was
supposed to be gold. I can accept an Urko in gold "armor" over an orange
Urko any day.

Will


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on 8/12/04 10:32 PM, Chris Lawless at lawford42@... wrote:

Actually, this sentiment was echoed to a large extent at the MegoCon.
After the Q & A session, a few of us were talking with Neal Kublan (Vice
President of Mego's Research and Development) and someone made the
comment that the reason almost everyone looks back on their Megos so
fondly is because of all the positive memories associated with them.

To take this a step further, I was talking with the webmaster of a
Micronauts website (the same guy who set up that AMAZING display) about
how bad the new Micronauts comic was, and how much better I thought the
original Marvel series was. While he agreed with me on that point, he
also suggested that if I went back and reread them, I wouldn't be quite
so impressed today as I was then. I haven't done that as of yet, but much
like POTA, Micronauts is another classic property that's currently being
mismanaged/mishandled by the people who hold the rights.

Greg does make a very valid point- the feelings we had the first time we
saw something (in our cases, most of us were wide eyed, impressionable,
imaginative children), tend to stay with us for most of our lives. Even
if we reread/revisited something, I suppose it would depend on the
quality of the material as to how well it stacked up over the years and
if it was as good as we remembered it being (without letting
sentimentality get in the way).

To give a different example: I (as well as most of you, I'm guessing)
watched a lot of cartoons as a child. Things like the original 1967
Spiderman series, Rocky & Bullwinkle, and the classic Hanna-Barbera
characters (Huckleberry Hound,Yogi Bear) I can (and still do) watch and
enjoy as much as I did when I first saw them. Other stuff (Speed Racer
immediately comes to mind) perplexes me as to what the hell the original
appeal was. When MTV was running it back in the mid 90's, I couldn't
stand watching it for more than 5 minutes!


Chris L.


Excellent post, Chris! You make a lot of really important and inciteful
points. Nostalgia does have a big effect on people. However, one of the
things I have always loved about the Apes films is the fact that every time
I've revisted them at differing points in my life, I got something new from
them. They seemed to speak to me on a different level, probably because of
the differing ages I was at when I saw them.

Will


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on 8/13/04 2:52 AM, Dave B at smugster@... wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> But then... if all that ONLY happens in the U.S.... then Australia will
> become a vast wasteland dominated by motorized gangs who will murder to
get
> "the juice" and not even Mad Max will be able to stop them! ;)

And everyone in the UK will go blind and get eaten by Triffids!

Dave

Dave, you are awesome!

Will


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Well, this only cost me $150, so I hope you all enjoy it (read below)!
I have sent the audio to Hunter for him to place on his website ASAP.
I'll let Hunter fill you all in when it is ready.
I hate to say they seem to have the news going on in the background, but
you get the idea and I'm working on getting a much better copy from
them.
Michael


"Great Hollywood film composer Jerry Goldsmith has died.
Mr Goldsmith composed the scores for over 300 films and TV shows,
including Planet of the Apes, Basic Instinct, The Waltons, Star Trek,
Poltergeist, Rambo, Chinatown, The Omen and Alien.
Australian film composer Bruce Smeaton(*) says the Hollywood music
nearly collapsed at one point, and Mr Goldsmith helped re-invent the
composition of soundtracks. Mr Goldsmith was able to create mood through
his often abstract soundtracks. Romantic comedies were struck from Mr
Goldsmith's list of work. Mr Smeaton says Mr Goldsmith was a pioneer in
television music. Mr Smeaton personally knew Mr Goldsmith, and wrote
over 2000 TV jingles in Hollywood. Mr Smeaton worked on the scores for
films including: The Chant of Jimmy Blacksmith, A Town Like Alice, The
Cars that Ate Paris, Seven Little Australians and Picnic at Hanging
Rock. Mr Smeaton talks about working on film and television scores in
Australia and America."
Aaron Perryman
Media Monitors Australia Pty Ltd




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I found a rather nice scan of the cover from Bill Quick's COLONY.

It's a little small - but text free.

I've uploaded it to the file section but I'm sure the moderators can find it a
more suitable home.

Dave

Any Goldsmith fans might also like to check out this link


http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/forum/displayquestion.php?topicid=2538

Dave

Yes, it was Superman. I forget if the emblem was missing or upside-down, but I do recall that Mr. Abrams said that it affected sales until they got it corrected. What happened is that they noticed sales were lower for Superman than the other heroes and when they started to ask kids why they weren't buying him the kids said the figure wasn't Superman because the costume was wrong.

Today, of course, you'd have collectors scrambling for these error figures and selling them on eBay as rare variants.

Greg P.

Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
What was the story he told about one of the original run of the 'World's
Greatest Super Heroes' figures missing an emblem on their costume? Was it
Superman?


Chris L.


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Hey Gang,

If you haven't picked them up, you have to get some of
MEGO Mike Rogers repro POTA boxes. The Galen box and
Urko arrived yesterday and they are fantasic. Talk
about jazzing up a collection? The price is just $21
to transform your loose MEGO into something that
belongs in a muesem. The only way his repro boxes
differs from the original boxes is his version is
clearer and glossier.

Now the POTA boxes come in MEGO size or 12inch. Here
is his email address: mego73@...

Get ready to be impressed.

Chris Hight

If you go to the homepage, you will see Neil has tweaked the "Beware the
Beast" logo.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAdg/

What is that beneath the logo?

The best answer receives a personally autographed limited edition print
of


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Thanks Dave!

Michael

----------

> From: Dave B[SMTP:SMUGSTER@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:58:23 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Quick!!!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I found a rather nice scan of the cover from Bill Quick's COLONY.

It's a little small - but text free.

I've uploaded it to the file section but I'm sure the moderators can
find it
a more suitable home.

Dave

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:

> "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>

This made me think of what
Roger Ebert said when he reviewed Apes 2001; "In 100 years, people
are only going to remember the original".


+++ If I won the lottery, I would spend a couple of million dollars
to have the above quote carved into Mount Rushmore -- the letters
five hundred feet high.

Mark.

> "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
>
> >>...(I think the POMS like the TV Show!). <<

+++ Yes they bloody well do. And they bloody well did back in
Nineteen Seventy Bloody Four as well.

Ask John Roche. The UK is the True Home of Planet of the Apes
Fandom. ;)

I bloody well mean it.

Mark Bloody T-B.

The first of the two episodes featuring the giant ape Kygor was episode 6, Terror on Ice Mountain. Bill and Cornelius travel in a hot-air balloon to the top of a mountain to hide a book that Cornelius found. The book shows that humans (or "humanoids") once kept apes in cages. The plans for the baloon were wrapped around the book, but part of the plans were missing, so Cornelius and Zira turned to their astronaut friends to supply the missing information and help build the baloon.

The second episode featuring Kygor was also the last in the series, episode 13, Battle of the Titans. Bill and Cornelius go back to the mountain to get the book because Urko has been temporarily relived of command and this may be the only opportunity Cornelius and Zira have to present the truth of the planet's history. This is also the episode where Kygor fights the giant monster bird.

Greg P.

Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless wrote:
> So am I Neil! I just recently watched (most) of the RETURN series,
and I don't remember any giant apes. Unless it was in one of the
last few...?

Chris, a giant ape did feature in a couple of episodes.
Without going back through my tapes to find the exact episodes I'll
take a guess at it but I'm pretty sure it's in the one where Bill
and Cornelius use a balloon to get up a mountain to hide a book, and
there is an episode where it fights the flying dragon bird thingy.
Come to think of it wasn't it named Kygoor or something like that?

Neil


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Yes,

I have to say I can't believe that a dream team like that could
leave me feeling so empty...and I had LOW expectations of the movie!

Just a quick reminder that there are people here who like and love
POTA2001 and while I cannot agree, we need to be respectful and not
make comments that are personal attacks on other group members
(axcept Tim Burton if he joins...you can go hard at calling him
names if you like!).

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:
> "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
> >>Has anybody seen page44 of this yet? It's the Spidey issue(a
truly
> amazing movie, very highly recommended!) and they do a feature
> called 'How to think like a superstar'.Tim Burton is pictured in a
> spoof pic of him holding, weirdly, a Topps TV Series card
featuring
> Dr Zaius with the tagline'Sincerely praise the movies, songs or TV
> shows that influenced and inspired you....but feel free to remake
> them so badly that future generations never want to see them
> again'.Ouch! <<
>
>
> Couldn't have phrased that an better myself. This made me think of
what
> Roger Ebert said when he reviewed Apes 2001; "In 100 years, people
are
> only going to remember the original".
>
>
> 'Nuff said. Excelsior!!!
>
>
> Chris L(ee).
>
>

Chris,

These are INCREDIBLE!

I will certainly be placing an order.

Question - are you guys worried some of these are so good they might
ba attempted to be passed as origianls by unscrupulous people?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> Hey Gang,
>
> If you haven't picked them up, you have to get some of
> MEGO Mike Rogers repro POTA boxes. The Galen box and
> Urko arrived yesterday and they are fantasic. Talk
> about jazzing up a collection? The price is just $21
> to transform your loose MEGO into something that
> belongs in a muesem. The only way his repro boxes
> differs from the original boxes is his version is
> clearer and glossier.
>
> Now the POTA boxes come in MEGO size or 12inch. Here
> is his email address: mego73@h...
>
> Get ready to be impressed.
>
> Chris Hight
>
>
>
>
>
>

> I have sent the audio to Hunter for him to place on his website ASAP.
> I'll let Hunter fill you all in when it is ready.

It's there, under the "Miscellaneous" section.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

Thanks to Hunter Goatley for hosting this rare treat, now available on
Hunter's website under "Miscellaneous Items" - very close to the bottom
of the home page:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Let me know if you think it is worth the $150 I spent on it!

Michael Whitty


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At last - thanks to Author Dave Ballard and Artist Neil Foster, brought
together for the first project of the Official International Planet of
the Apes Fan Club by Fan Club Founder Michael Whitty - the Final Chapter
of Beware the Beast (a comic set in the universe of the first two
movies) is now available to view.

Thanks to Hunter Goatley for hosting the final chapter. It can be
viewed from Hunter's site, and you can look back at the other 11
chapters there too (very close to the top of the homepage):

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

If you want to hear accompanying Jerry Goldsmith music, provided by
James Aquilla, go to the homepage of the Planet of the Apes Discussion
Group, and look for the "Beware the Beast" banner about a third of the
way down..click the script below the banner:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAdg/
<http://www.goatley.com/pota/>

While you are there, see if you can work out what the image is on the
"Beware the Beast" banner. If you know what it is, be the first to tell
me and you will win a personally autographed limited edition Neil Foster
print of....the FULL picture of that image!

Michael Whity




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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:

> Americans (and only Americans!) will one day eat eachother as

Soylent Green.


+++ That would be agreeable.

"Only when all the leaves have gone from the trees and all the fish
have gone from the rivers -- will people realise they can't eat
money". -- Ancient American Indian Saying.

Anon.

> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAdg/
> <http://www.goatley.com/pota/>

Just FYI, all 12 chapters can also be viewed via the link on the
POTAdg home page, and the background music (which only works with IE)
is present in both.

Thanks to James for the BTB HTML source files and the background
music.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
<goathunter@...> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/

Guys --

Forgive my short term memory loss, but can I remember hearing a
squeak from a few people a while ago suggesting that there was a
pending project to get this show onto DVD for fan distribution??

Who knows about this? And who's doing it?

Mark T-B (your brand-new friendly neighbourhood moderator).

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> > I have sent the audio to Hunter for him to place on his website

ASAP.

> > I'll let Hunter fill you all in when it is ready.
>
> It's there, under the "Miscellaneous" section.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Hunter

+++ Hunter Goatley.

I hold up a torch to you and the rest of the gang that continues to
get interesting stuff like this available to people like me -- at
warp speed.

I think I've said this before -- but all of you are true fans,
gentlemen and scholars. (It's an English phrase -- ask Ballard for
the origins -- he's smarter than me).

MT-B

> Forgive my short term memory loss, but can I remember hearing a
> squeak from a few people a while ago suggesting that there was a
> pending project to get this show onto DVD for fan distribution??

> Who knows about this? And who's doing it?

I'm planning it. After months of collecting sources from various
people (thanks, everyone!), I have a couple of really good sources.
Now I just need time away from Real Work to work on it.

Hunter

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Thanks to Hunter Goatley for hosting this rare treat, now

available on

> Hunter's website under "Miscellaneous Items" - very close to the

bottom

> of the home page:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Let me know if you think it is worth the $150 I spent on it!
>
> Michael Whitty
>

+++Whittster -- what the hell cost A$150.00?

Was that what ABC charged you?

If so, it wouldn't surprise me.

Mark.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> > Forgive my short term memory loss, but can I remember hearing a
> > squeak from a few people a while ago suggesting that there was a
> > pending project to get this show onto DVD for fan distribution??
>
> > Who knows about this? And who's doing it?
>
> I'm planning it. After months of collecting sources from various
> people (thanks, everyone!), I have a couple of really good

sources.

> Now I just need time away from Real Work to work on it.
>
> Hunter

++ Thanks buddy.

Mark.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
> wrote:
> > > I have sent the audio to Hunter for him to place on his

website

> ASAP.
> > > I'll let Hunter fill you all in when it is ready.
> >
> > It's there, under the "Miscellaneous" section.
> >
> > http://www.goatley.com/pota/
> >
> > Hunter
>
>
> +++ Hunter Goatley.
>
> I hold up a torch to you and the rest of the gang that continues

to

> get interesting stuff like this available to people like me -- at
> warp speed.
>
> I think I've said this before -- but all of you are true fans,
> gentlemen and scholars. (It's an English phrase -- ask Ballard

for

> the origins -- he's smarter than me).
>
> MT-B

+++ And to you Mikey. You spent the cash!!!!!

MT-B.

Sharing a pic of what is I believe a Mexican Escape poster I just
got from ebay . Notice the mushroom clous on the earth at the
top of the poster and the tiny spaceships zooming away. It could
be from another country but I'm thinking Mexico. Enjoy! It's under
Photos>Foreign Posters>Escape

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp?.dir=/Foreign
+Posters/Escape&.src=gr&.dnm=ESmexico.jpg&.view=t&.done=
http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/lst%3f%26.dir
=/Foreign%2bPosters/Escape%26.src=gr%26.view=t

Tim

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Firstly, the COVER is like a paperback novel in consistency.

Secondly, it looks like this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/AdvLE.jpg

Thirdly, before I continue I need to get some software that reduces
my pictures....or do you happen to know someone I can send scans to
who could do this? ;)

Michael, you can send them to me and I can do it... oh, you already
did!
I have reduced and uploaded the scans of Adventure comics #1 with
the yellow wrap around cover plus moved a few of the other covers
that were in the misc. folder to a new photos folder named: Comic
covers.

Neil

Here's the easy way to tell a repro (at least mine) from a real box. Look at
the board. If the flap sides and exposed underboard parts are white, they
are repro. If they are the brown cardboard color, they are probabaly
authentic.

Here's a picture of my Apes boxes all togehter:

http://www.megostore.com/mc/images/usergallery/980112655078.jpg

You can see the edges of the flaps are white core board. You can see
undernieth the window that the insert still leaves some of the box inside
exposed and it's white. So, that's the number 1 thing to look for. No
cardboard color,no authentic.

Generally be suspicious though if you ever see a pristine box for a 30 year
old toy. The more mint it is, the more the seller must be detailed with
photos and info to demonstrate that it is authentic.

Mike

>
>Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:21:32 -0000
> From: "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@...>
>Subject: Re: POTA REPRO MEGO Boxes
>
>Chris,
>
>These are INCREDIBLE!
>
>I will certainly be placing an order.
>
>Question - are you guys worried some of these are so good they might
>ba attempted to be passed as origianls by unscrupulous people?
>
>Michael
>
>--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Gang,
> >
> > If you haven't picked them up, you have to get some of
> > MEGO Mike Rogers repro POTA boxes. The Galen box and
> > Urko arrived yesterday and they are fantasic. Talk
> > about jazzing up a collection? The price is just $21
> > to transform your loose MEGO into something that
> > belongs in a muesem. The only way his repro boxes
> > differs from the original boxes is his version is
> > clearer and glossier.
> >
> > Now the POTA boxes come in MEGO size or 12inch. Here
> > is his email address: mego73@h...
> >
> > Get ready to be impressed.
> >
> > Chris Hight
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Thanks to Hunter Goatley for hosting this rare treat, now

available on

> Hunter's website under "Miscellaneous Items" - very close to the

bottom

> of the home page:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Let me know if you think it is worth the $150 I spent on it!

Seems a bit pricey just for a radio interview but you seem to have
this mad desire to spend your hard earned money on anything obscure
and hard to find that is of interest to POTA fans and then make it
available to all, for that we thank you!!!

Same to Hunter who also seems to have a mad desire to make anything
POTA available on his wonderful site for us all to enjoy.

Take a bow guys!

neil

Hunter

If it helps I will TRIPLE your salary for doing this! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Hunter Goatley[SMTP:GOATHUNTER@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:07:59 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: RETURN on DVD.
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
> Forgive my short term memory loss, but can I remember hearing a
> squeak from a few people a while ago suggesting that there was a
> pending project to get this show onto DVD for fan distribution??

> Who knows about this? And who's doing it?

I'm planning it. After months of collecting sources from various
people (thanks, everyone!), I have a couple of really good sources.
Now I just need time away from Real Work to work on it.

Hunter

ABC didn't have it so I had to go through "Media Monitors".

I nearly didn't buy it, but when it was on I only half heard it and it
seemed to be fascinating, candid and not common knowledge.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: sparkytb2005[SMTP:SPARKYTB@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:09:07 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Bruce Smeaton on Jerry Goldsmith
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Thanks to Hunter Goatley for hosting this rare treat, now
available on
> Hunter's website under "Miscellaneous Items" - very close to the
bottom
> of the home page:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/ <http://www.goatley.com/pota/>
>
> Let me know if you think it is worth the $150 I spent on it!
>
> Michael Whitty
>


+++Whittster -- what the hell cost A$150.00?

Was that what ABC charged you?

If so, it wouldn't surprise me.

Mark.

Dave, Neil and Mike, the conclusion is simply stunning, and well worth the wait.

Ever since page 21 (when Gideon found Bren'ts ship) we've known that Gideon (and the humans pursuing him) were living on borrowed time. The big question was how much time did they have left, and would the story conclude before or with the detonation of the Alpha Omega bomb.

The art is fantastic. Even better, I think, than the previous chapters. Reading the whole thing together you can really appreciate how well the story is structured. Everything that's happened to Gideon has helped to put him in the place where he has to make a choice between taking his own life before the humans overwhelm him, or to go down fighting.

My favorite part of the finale are the insert panels showing us the events elsewhere on the planet: Taylor's final confrontation with Zaius and Milo, Cornelius and Zira launching Taylor's ship. It's a very effective storytelling device, and it's unique to the comic format. The last three captions on page 34 are simply priceless, and looking back on page 22 the final caption on that page takes on a new shade of meaning as well.

So, um, when do we get the first chapter of the next comic?

Greg P.



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Jeff,

Great memory without checking.

I am scanning the differences right now and they will soon be
available to you all.

POTA #1:

Standard Edition.

Colour fold over edition (the same except for a colour fold-over
page showing a black and white of the back cover shown on the
Limited Edition comic). I am scanning my GREEN one. It also hides
a pile of human bodies - I wonder if there is some "rating" thing
going on here where they can display it better to the public?

Limited Edition (Cover has a heavier stock, almost like cardboard.
It was only available through the company, you couldn't buy it in
stores. Different picture on the cover, metallic script for the
title, back cover as per the "fold-over" cover, NUMBERED, contains
Marvel Article "Monkey Business - an informal history of POTA by Jim
Korkis, and shows an ad for a "Logan's Run" strip that looks like
Logan is an Anime character!!!).

Ape Nation #1:

Standard Edition.

Limited Edition (Cover has a heavier stock, almost like cardboard.
It was only available through the company, you couldn't buy it in
stores. Different picture on the cover, metallic script for the
title, NUMBERED, contains the "prequel" Jeff refers to - "Twice Upon
A Time", a six page intro).

Hope that's everything....scnas coming!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> It had a different cover and a couple pages of a "prequel"
story. I think the cover had a heavier stock, almost like cardboard.
It was only available
> through the company, you couldn't buy it in stores. I think they
also did a
> "special edition" of the first issue of their POTA series. I'd
have to
> check. - - - Jeff

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Great memory without checking.
>
> I am scanning the differences right now and they will soon be
> available to you all.

> Ape Nation #1:

> Limited Edition (Cover has a heavier stock, almost like cardboard.
> It was only available through the company, you couldn't buy it in
> stores. Different picture on the cover, metallic script for the
> title, NUMBERED, contains the "prequel" Jeff refers to - "Twice

Upon

> A Time", a six page intro).

And they have been uploaded to the files section in a folder named:
Ape Nation -

<http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Ape%20Nation/>

Neil

Thanks for the feedback Greg.

And we'd love more feedback from the rest of you - or are you just
too stunned and flabbergasted to comment? ;)

I'll tell you more about the next comic after we get a bit more
feedback. If I forget, just remind me OK?!?

Michael

PS - The "director's cut" will look aven better with the extra 6
pages! I'm not kidding, some of the extra pages are just
unbelievable!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> Dave, Neil and Mike, the conclusion is simply stunning, and well
worth the wait.
>
> Ever since page 21 (when Gideon found Bren'ts ship) we've known
that Gideon (and the humans pursuing him) were living on borrowed
time. The big question was how much time did they have left, and
would the story conclude before or with the detonation of the Alpha
Omega bomb.
>
> The art is fantastic. Even better, I think, than the previous
chapters. Reading the whole thing together you can really appreciate
how well the story is structured. Everything that's happened to
Gideon has helped to put him in the place where he has to make a
choice between taking his own life before the humans overwhelm him,
or to go down fighting.
>

This group will, from today, be an UNMODERATED group.

There will be a safety net against spammers whereby the very first
post from each member will be screened for approval by
the "moderators". However that will be all - then everybody may
have their say.

Instead of imposing unclear rules on everyone, there will be a
sister group to discuss politics and "biff it out" if you MUST. If
you want to use expletive deletives, or discuss things like
mutant/ape husbandry, you can do so on Patrick's group
pota_phenomenon@yahoogroups.com.

We need input to get the balance right, so if you are not already a
member, get over to "The Arena" and have your say!

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAfcARENA

Until I do get input, general rule is keep swearing to a minimum and
don't get descriptive about obscenities. There are sensitive people
and kids who read this site and they deserve respect and
consideration. If you break the rules you will be warned (if it is
a minor, understandable infringement), or removed (if it is a major
display of disrespect or if you have been warned once already). The
discussion of politics, either group politics or political
persuasions, is off bounds. You may discuss it within the confines
of POTA, otherwise....off to the Arena!

So if you are wondering what the difference between the groups is,
then:

pota@yahoogroups.com

Long history, but of late it has become a moderated group. Same
owner, 3 new moderators.

potaDG@yahoogroups.com

New group owners and moderators. Unmoderated (the moderators are
more a committee).

potaFCarena@yahoogroups.com

Where the political discussions and decisions are made for the
POTADG. Where disgruntled DG members may argue their case if they
feel unfairly treated. Where those who care for NONE of this mayy
avoid and therefore avoid it all!

pota_phenomenon@yahoogroups.com

Unmoderated, no rules. ANARCHY, but if you can take a bit of
colourful language and the rest of it, a fine site too!

So there you go! If you are like me and love your POTA, you will
join all sites and contribute equally to them. All 4 sites have
wonderful Files sections that are accessible to all whether you are
members or not and we all support each other - this is not a
competition, it is the facilitation of choice.

Michael Whitty
Founder
POTADG

Will,

Did you listen to the interview on Hunter's site?

What did you think?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 5:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Film Scores


on 7/11/04 9:01 AM, ron kenner at brindlepit2002@... wrote:


ALSO-
i have an escape soundtrack i am wondering about.
its a bootleg i bought a few years ago (before i knew
there was anything better available).
it has 16 tracks, and also has goldsmith's score for
damnation alley.
it says "limited archival pressing" but i cannot find
the name of a company on it.
rob

I'll come back to that question, but (for the moment) I'd like to hear from
ANSANAUT on this one!

Les, you have a few theories on your site about this....what is your
opinion?

Patrick, how does this "work" with your "Mothership" scenarion?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: James [JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 AM
Re: Beware the Beast


You guys all did a great job on the comic and deserve the appreciation of
all fans.

I noticed in one panel that C&Z's ship is making orbit and it shows that a
stage has detached. This is in line with the theory that the ANSA ships were
multi-stage vehicles with a landing, re-launch and re-entry stage.

I was wondering if there was any discussion of this before the panel was
drawn.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> My original story ended around about the same place as the end
> of chapter eleven - With Gideon sitting in the ship, trapped and
> waiting to see what might happen.
>
> Credit for chapter 12 of the comic is equally shared with Mike and Neil
who persuaded me to weave the BtB storyline more soldily into the final
moments of Beneath.
>
> Dave

Hey...do I detect a note of sarcasm? ;)

I guess I said "Americans" because we never see anyone else...but since I
suppose America is supposed to BE the whole world, maybe I should have been
more general!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The big question


on 8/11/04 6:29 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

I think Conquest dealt with the US becoming more and more facist....that
sort of thing? Terrorism?

Michael

Gosh, Whitty.... I never saw Conquest as a big statement that the U.S. was
becoming more facist. But perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps all doom soaked
sci-fi future stories (that just happen to be SET in the United States) are
a comment on how bad us Americans MIGHT become!







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You should move! All of you!

At least Max is hot!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The big question


The story of a facist future state that MIGHT come about if WE all as humans
on this here little planet of OURS don't remain ever vigilant was simply SET
in the United States... because the U.S. was a major hub of Western
civilization in the 20th century when Conquest was made. But come to think
of it, the opening of Conquest states that it's "NORTH AMERICA!" which could
also incude or even.... GOD NO!!!... be Canada!

But, naaahhhhh!!!!!

Americans (and only Americans!) will one day eat eachother as Soylent Green.
Americans will one day be killed off at the age of 30 in a special
ceremony... and if we you don't want to die, they'll send special killers
called Sandmen after us!

But then... if all that ONLY happens in the U.S.... then Australia will
become a vast wasteland dominated by motorized gangs who will murder to get
"the juice" and not even Mad Max will be able to stop them! ;)

Will







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Again?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave B [smugster@...]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:52 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The big question

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> But then... if all that ONLY happens in the U.S.... then Australia will
> become a vast wasteland dominated by motorized gangs who will murder to
get
> "the juice" and not even Mad Max will be able to stop them! ;)

And everyone in the UK will go blind and get eaten by Triffids!

Dave







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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I'll come back to that question,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James [JamesA1102@a...]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:52 AM
> Re: Beware the Beast
> I noticed in one panel that C&Z's ship is making orbit and it

shows that a stage has detached. This is in line with the theory
that the ANSA ships were multi-stage vehicles with a landing, re-
launch and re-entry stage. I was wondering if there was any
discussion of this before the panel was drawn.

I don't remember any discussion about it. The reason I drew the ship
this way is because to me it seemed to make sense.
I based it on Brent's ship, where you can clearly see the burn out
rocket section at the rear. Also there is no 'skid mark' like the
one along the ground behind the ship in the TV series. Brent's ship
has what looks like a 'blast' mark on the ground, as though it has
landed tail first and then toppled over.

So I thought it would work best having the spaceships as tail
landers that then blast off leaving the landing legs behind and then
having that rear booster section detatch in space to finally have a
re-entry type capsule for the final stage of the craft.

Hope this makes sense!

Neil

on 8/15/04 7:39 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Hey...do I detect a note of sarcasm? ;)

I guess I said "Americans" because we never see anyone else...but since I
suppose America is supposed to BE the whole world, maybe I should have been
more general!

Michael

Hey Whitty! Yes, EXTREME sarcasm! I lived overseas for five and a half
years and got to know people from every English speaking country (The U.K.,
Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa), France, Germany and
many others and let's just say that I was often a bit taken aback by the
interesting ideas that many of those folks had about my country. They
seemed to know every dirty little detail about the U.S. (right down to how
they thought the Kennedy assassination actually went down!) but seemed to
know comparatively little about dirty dealings going on in other countries
(including their own!). America may not be perfect, but unlike the former
Soviet Union and communist China, we do not make any attempt to hide our
flaws and mistakes (unless you believe ALL the conspiracy theories!). In
fact, in the spirit of TRUE democracy (NOT facism!) we tend to advertise our
flubs (something you don't see in every country, believe me) and we came out
on top after the Cold War, perhaps, because of it. Or maybe it was because
of that British secret agent, 007?

In any case, to get back to the original post (or rather my objection to
it), I just don't think that the U.S. alone has ever been any more in danger
of becoming a facist state than any other Western nation. In fact, it
actually DID happen in Germany, Austria, Italy and Spain (all European
countries...) and during the sixties and seventies in particular, people
were really leary of the whole facist take over thing and I'm sure American
involvement in Vietnam (where the French were in the first place...) made
all that seem more plausible at the time and I will not deny that the Apes
films may bear Paul Dehn's musings about all that. But then nobody ever
made a sci-fi movie set in Northern Ireland that took sides on that
particular bloody little issue, did they?

But I really think you are a better than average guy when it comes to
disputes on the DG or elsewhere. I have seen you take a lot of hits and I
thought you were pretty amiable about it on most counts. You've had people
totally disagree with you and really come down on you but you didn't fly
into a huff and quit altogether. Most of your responses are pretty friendly
no matter what's been thrown at you and I really admire that. Anyway, I'm
sure you're proud to be Australian and an Apes fan. Well, I'm proud to be
an American and I'm an Apes fan too. I just think there should be room on
the various discussion groups for people of all nations. :)

Lastly, I just want to clarify that I don't see Conquest as a warning that
the U.S. ALONE is in danger of becoming facist. The whole "tightly
controled society" (as Frank Capra Jr. put it) in the film was a plot device
to aid in the eventual downfall of ALL of human civilization, not just the
U.S. "This will be the end of civilization and the WORLD will belong to a
planet of apes!" Not just the U.S. If the story had taken place in
Boulle's France, I really don't see how it would have been much different.
In all honesty, do you?

Will

"Did any good ever come from all that talk around all those tables?"
"Man is evil! Capable of nothing but destruction!" Man... not just
Americans.

But I suppose if you really feel like shifting the focus...

"The buck stops here." - Harry S. Truman


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on 8/15/04 6:02 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Will,

Did you listen to the interview on Hunter's site?

What did you think?

Michael

Michael:

I'm having trouble downloading the MP3. But thanks very much for asking.
I'll let you know when and IF I'm successful with the download.

Will


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Yikes!

Did I just refuse to moderate people! ;)

Will, my friend, I get what you are saying.

I think you are actually taking my comment out of context, but if that's
what it takes to get you wound up and posting like this then so be it!

Just to set the record straight, the reason I said the USA looks like
heading towards being a fascist state is ONLY because POTA does not show any
other county...for all we know they might all have been NUKED!

Will, the reason we all seem to know all about the USA is that it controls
the media. That's changing, but not much! I think you (we?) won the Cold
War because freedom (?) beats oppression. Socialist ideals are SO close to
Christianity it isn't funny, but in practice people lose their freedom FAR
more than they do in a democracy.

I entirely agree that the U.S. alone has ever been any more in danger of
becoming a facist state than any other Western nation. However the only
nation I see in any POTA movie is the USA, so that's all I can comment on.

Will, I appreciate your support re taking hits, but I have a history of
throwing a few back too! But I'm here for the long haul and while fights
happen, I am not motivated by them. I am not here to be a political leader,
bu8t it seems I have come to be in charge of "the" happening place for POTA
at the moment. This is something that explains to me why I am a "trouble
magnet". If I say something, I am speaking from the heart usually, not even
from the mind buut just expressing how I feel. Often when I re-think this I
re-evaluate. That might look like "flip-flopping", but to me it is honesty
in its' purest form. I am proud to be an Aussie, but I love your country
too and I love the cheeky buggers the Motherland provides us with as well!
Would you believe the group owners here are Australian (me), American
(Helen) and English (Neil)? I think that's multicultural enough for the
moment!

Lastly, I just want to AGREE that I don't see Conquest as a warning that the
U.S. ALONE is in danger of becoming facist. But I do think it assumes that
because it depicts a US city as such, we should take for granted the world
is the same way.

Great post, keep 'em coming!

Let's back of the whole politics a bit though (?) - we might end up
upsetting people!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:19 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The big question


on 8/15/04 7:39 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Hey...do I detect a note of sarcasm? ;)

I guess I said "Americans" because we never see anyone else...but since I
suppose America is supposed to BE the whole world, maybe I should have been
more general!

Michael

Hey Whitty! Yes, EXTREME sarcasm! I lived overseas for five and a half
years and got to know people from every English speaking country (The U.K.,
Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa), France, Germany and
many others and let's just say that I was often a bit taken aback by the
interesting ideas that many of those folks had about my country. They
seemed to know every dirty little detail about the U.S. (right down to how
they thought the Kennedy assassination actually went down!) but seemed to
know comparatively little about dirty dealings going on in other countries
(including their own!). America may not be perfect, but unlike the former
Soviet Union and communist China, we do not make any attempt to hide our
flaws and mistakes (unless you believe ALL the conspiracy theories!). In
fact, in the spirit of TRUE democracy (NOT facism!) we tend to advertise our
flubs (something you don't see in every country, believe me) and we came out
on top after the Cold War, perhaps, because of it. Or maybe it was because
of that British secret agent, 007?

In any case, to get back to the original post (or rather my objection to
it), I just don't think that the U.S. alone has ever been any more in danger
of becoming a facist state than any other Western nation. In fact, it
actually DID happen in Germany, Austria, Italy and Spain (all European
countries...) and during the sixties and seventies in particular, people
were really leary of the whole facist take over thing and I'm sure American
involvement in Vietnam (where the French were in the first place...) made
all that seem more plausible at the time and I will not deny that the Apes
films may bear Paul Dehn's musings about all that. But then nobody ever
made a sci-fi movie set in Northern Ireland that took sides on that
particular bloody little issue, did they?

But I really think you are a better than average guy when it comes to
disputes on the DG or elsewhere. I have seen you take a lot of hits and I
thought you were pretty amiable about it on most counts. You've had people
totally disagree with you and really come down on you but you didn't fly
into a huff and quit altogether. Most of your responses are pretty friendly
no matter what's been thrown at you and I really admire that. Anyway, I'm
sure you're proud to be Australian and an Apes fan. Well, I'm proud to be
an American and I'm an Apes fan too. I just think there should be room on
the various discussion groups for people of all nations. :)

Lastly, I just want to clarify that I don't see Conquest as a warning that
the U.S. ALONE is in danger of becoming facist. The whole "tightly
controled society" (as Frank Capra Jr. put it) in the film was a plot device
to aid in the eventual downfall of ALL of human civilization, not just the
U.S. "This will be the end of civilization and the WORLD will belong to a
planet of apes!" Not just the U.S. If the story had taken place in
Boulle's France, I really don't see how it would have been much different.
In all honesty, do you?

Will

"Did any good ever come from all that talk around all those tables?"
"Man is evil! Capable of nothing but destruction!" Man... not just
Americans.

But I suppose if you really feel like shifting the focus...

"The buck stops here." - Harry S. Truman


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I have a CD too that I will be attepting to burn and distribute to those who
cannot play this.

People, let me know if that's you and we'll see what we can do.

Hunter, can you reccommend a site where people may access what they need to
play this?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Film Scores


on 8/15/04 6:02 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Will,

Did you listen to the interview on Hunter's site?

What did you think?

Michael

Michael:

I'm having trouble downloading the MP3. But thanks very much for asking.
I'll let you know when and IF I'm successful with the download.

Will







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on 8/15/04 6:02 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Will,

Did you listen to the interview on Hunter's site?

What did you think?

Michael

Michael:

I was able to download the MP3! It took a while but it eventually popped up
and it was a really nice interview and a really nice tribute to Goldsmith.
I didn't know that Goldsmith actually worked in Australia sometimes but I'm
glad he did. Highly interesting stuff, my friend.

Will


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Thanks Will,

I think you can see why I just had to throw my hard earned cash at that
one....it is not the run of the mill interview, it is actually very personal
and candid (which I like!).

Great to hear it played for you. Sorry about the background noise - I am
currently trying to get the source to do a better copy but apparently the
station they got it from had interference and that is the background noise!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Film Scores


on 8/15/04 6:02 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Will,

Did you listen to the interview on Hunter's site?

What did you think?

Michael

Michael:

I was able to download the MP3! It took a while but it eventually popped up
and it was a really nice interview and a really nice tribute to Goldsmith.
I didn't know that Goldsmith actually worked in Australia sometimes but I'm
glad he did. Highly interesting stuff, my friend.

Will







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

on 8/16/04 12:50 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Yikes!

Did I just refuse to moderate people! ;)

Will, my friend, I get what you are saying.

I think you are actually taking my comment out of context, but if that's
what it takes to get you wound up and posting like this then so be it!

Just to set the record straight, the reason I said the USA looks like
heading towards being a fascist state is ONLY because POTA does not show any
other county...for all we know they might all have been NUKED!

Will, the reason we all seem to know all about the USA is that it controls
the media. That's changing, but not much! I think you (we?) won the Cold
War because freedom (?) beats oppression. Socialist ideals are SO close to
Christianity it isn't funny, but in practice people lose their freedom FAR
more than they do in a democracy.

I entirely agree that the U.S. alone has ever been any more in danger of
becoming a facist state than any other Western nation. However the only
nation I see in any POTA movie is the USA, so that's all I can comment on.

Will, I appreciate your support re taking hits, but I have a history of
throwing a few back too! But I'm here for the long haul and while fights
happen, I am not motivated by them. I am not here to be a political leader,
bu8t it seems I have come to be in charge of "the" happening place for POTA
at the moment. This is something that explains to me why I am a "trouble
magnet". If I say something, I am speaking from the heart usually, not even
from the mind buut just expressing how I feel. Often when I re-think this I
re-evaluate. That might look like "flip-flopping", but to me it is honesty
in its' purest form. I am proud to be an Aussie, but I love your country
too and I love the cheeky buggers the Motherland provides us with as well!
Would you believe the group owners here are Australian (me), American
(Helen) and English (Neil)? I think that's multicultural enough for the
moment!

Lastly, I just want to AGREE that I don't see Conquest as a warning that the
U.S. ALONE is in danger of becoming facist. But I do think it assumes that
because it depicts a US city as such, we should take for granted the world
is the same way.

Great post, keep 'em coming!

Let's back of the whole politics a bit though (?) - we might end up
upsetting people!

Michael

Michael:

Thanks. I totally agree about backing off the politics. I just didn't want
that little point to pass without putting my two cents in.

I understand why you think the U.S. controls the media, but I'm not sure I'd
agree. I did notice, for example, that in the new Time Machine movie, that
the nationality of the inventor of the time machine had been changed from an
Englishman to a New Yorker and that the story takes place in New York and
not in England. An Englishman directed the film, an Australian starred in
it and most of the other actors were European. I don't think that that film
was part of an American scheme to control the world but I guess it could
have been.... The entertainment industry is a big phenomenon that just
happens to be primarily located in the U.S., but I could go on for ages
about how much European, Australian, Canadian and New Zealand actors and
film makers contribute to Hollywood and English language cinema. Hollywood
is pretty multicultural, my friend and I didn't even mention the German and
Chinese directors who regulary helm Hollywood films.

At any rate, you have been gratious once again and I thank you for that. I
was posting quite a bit before but that seems to have caused quite a civil
war on the DG. "Cold Mountain" on the Planet of the Apes! Oops! There's
another film that was set in the U.S. but was directed by an Englishman and
starred British and Australian actors in the leads....

Will


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Not meaning to "stir the pot" my friend, but I think the mentality of being
placed on moderation was what caused the civil war - not the topic. I do
believe all parties did what they thought was right.

Keep posting.

Michael



-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The big question


At any rate, you have been gratious once again and I thank you for that. I
was posting quite a bit before but that seems to have caused quite a civil
war on the DG. "Cold Mountain" on the Planet of the Apes! Oops! There's
another film that was set in the U.S. but was directed by an Englishman and
starred British and Australian actors in the leads....

Will







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> Hunter, can you reccommend a site where people may access what they need to
> play this?

Windows Media Player will play MP3s, as will Quicktime and Winamp
(www.winamp.com). There are probably dozens of MP3 players out there.

Hunter

Been having some weird e-mail problems- just making sure I've got it all
sorted out now.

Back to your regularly scheduled Digest now.


Chris L.

Hey Whitty,

Did you get the e-mail I sent you about 20 minutes ago?


Chris L.

kudos to the Beast creators....It is awesome!!...I
want to know what happens next! the artwork on this
chapter alone is worth the wait.....I want to print
them all out now and have a cool new POTA
comic.....can't wait for the next effort whatever that
might be!!!!!

Tim

yes, today i read all 12chapters on hunters site.
every panel is excellent.
hard to beleive that high quality pota entertainment
like this is free.
if new project is being considered, i hope for
adaption of one of serlings unused scripts, or
(seriously), one of the "lost" episodes.
rob
oosa

--- Tim Parati <apefan23@...> wrote:

> kudos to the Beast creators....It is awesome!!...I
> want to know what happens next! the artwork on this
> chapter alone is worth the wait.....I want to print
> them all out now and have a cool new POTA
> comic.....can't wait for the next effort whatever
> that
> might be!!!!!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>

Hi RobRon!

There are actually 2 DIFFERENT projects going on and I think people are
getting confused so let me clarify!


(1) The pota group are planning to do a comic. When I first heard this plan
it was the Extreme group that was going to do a few panels at a time of a
story using all different artists. Now - well, I don't know what they are
doing, but whatever it is I wish them luck. However, what they are doing is
NOTHING to do with me or any of the plans I have with Fox and a Publisher to
release POTA comics (hopefully monthly). I don't know if they are doing it
for fun or to have it published, but as I said I was not invited to be part
of it and I really do not have time for it anyway.

(2) The Official International Planet of the Apes Fan Club has been
negotiating with Fox and a publisher to bring Beware the Beast and other
POTA comics to the public. This started off as my idea to make a short comic
when I asked (about 18 months ago) for a writer to provide a story and a
person to come forth to draw. Well, what a fluke! I got Dave Ballard, a guy
with a swag of incredible POTA tales, and Neil Foster, who happens to be (in
my opinion) THE best POTA artist. Neil sent me a portfolio and I almost
FAINTED! They looked like APES from POTA!!! The costumes...EVERYTHING! Dave
sent me some stories and luckily I didn't have to decide....THEY WERE ALL
GREAT! I didn't have to decide because my approach was (gasp!) formulaic. I
had done the research and I knew what the fans wanted: a story set within
the original MOVIES (first, then one set in the TV Show environment), and
one that is not too lengthy so we can show the world we are not kidding - we
mean business! I never thought it would take this long!!!!

Once we decided on the story (I believe it was entitled "The Final Stand"),
Dave set about SCRIPTING. The script explains to the artist what the
storyteller wants to achieve. Then we all read this and, as Dave previously
explained, Neil and I made some suggestions to expand the ending.....really
to show non-POTA fans what is going on and to see another ape! Still no
chimps guys (but we are fixing that with the "Special Edition" version that
has 6 extra pages!). Oh, and Dave had his revenge by suggesting the immortal
Mr Foster make Gideon more "Animated"! ;)

Now, this was all done by the "Terrible Trio", Ballard, Foster and Whitty.
The next project (we have a working title we do NOT wish to share as it is
possibly too revealing) is scripted, artwork realism has been researched and
drawing is underway. It is a 22-page comic set in the TV Show environment,
brought to you by the same team. We are not yet certain if we CAN share the
pages with you as they progress, you may be buying it from the stores
(negotiations are at the point where if we do not get a publisher I will get
a license from Fox and foot the expenses to publish BTB and further comics
myself). The alternative is that a professional outfit will do all the work
for me.....that WOULD be nice!

Dave has provided the story, but he will no longer be able to enter the
script and we are readying for Neil or I to take over. This new comic should
be over and done in about a month - Neil will be going FULL TIME on this one
instead of doing it when he can fit it in. This is the trial to see if we
can knock out a 22 page comic monthly!

There is another Ballard story scripted, entitled "Juba, Road to Hell". Juba
is a Bounty Hunter, an original Character (like Gideon) set in the TV Show
environment. You will see this one day too, but we may head in another
direction first so I won’t say WHEN!

Through all of this, Chris Lawless has joined the team and Rich Handley is
now on board as well. Between them, these guys have the most incredible
ideas for another movie environment story (set between Planet and Beneath)
and…..well, we’ll keep a FEW surprises eh?

So yes, we’re organised, we’re serious, we’re ready.....if we had any
brains, we'd be DANGEROUS!!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ron kenner [brindlepit2002@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beast Finale


yes, today i read all 12chapters on hunters site.
every panel is excellent.
hard to beleive that high quality pota entertainment
like this is free.
if new project is being considered, i hope for
adaption of one of serlings unused scripts, or
(seriously), one of the "lost" episodes.
rob
oosa

--- Tim Parati <apefan23@...> wrote:

> kudos to the Beast creators....It is awesome!!...I
> want to know what happens next! the artwork on this
> chapter alone is worth the wait.....I want to print
> them all out now and have a cool new POTA
> comic.....can't wait for the next effort whatever
> that
> might be!!!!!
>
> Tim







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Listen, the last chapter gave me a chill, with all the humans
converging on Gideon. This is amazing - a fan-produced comic with
all the flavor of the original movies. I don't think any of the pro
comics with their assorted craziness could ever have the imagination
and passion that this one does. I hope you guys are proud, because
this is a work of art complete with the obvious love of the original
POTA. A true fan's dream. I'm dying to have this one in print and
will print it out myself if it doesn't become available for
purchase. By the way, can we buy a color print somewhere? Neil was
coloring that panel from the group's home page, right?

God, Neil - Gideon's face! The surge of nameless, faceless humans.
He kept slaughtering them, but they kept coming. Damn you to hell,
Gideon!

Pure and simple, I'm in love with this, guys.
Kassidy

It never seemed to me that POTA was about evolution ... it was about
education. With the right education, even a monkey can take over the
world.

Is it my imagination, or did the original movie (borne within a
decade after the scopes monkey trial) leave that question wide open?

Depends if you mean Boulle's POTA or the movies...or the TV Show,
cartoon etc.

Boulle dealt with the "uneducation" of humans.

I thought the first movie dealt more with apes taking over via
(nuclear enhanced?) evolution and war and then destroying all
evidence of mankind having being intelligent and technological,
while thse "in the know" (Zaius, particularly) assured such
technology never imposed itself on the apes. And this was a
budgetary thing, since they originally wanted to go with Boulle's
advanced city but could not afford to!

But tell me more about the scopes monkey trial.....

Michael


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "freddy_indie_digital"
<FreddyMack@y...> wrote:

> It never seemed to me that POTA was about evolution ... it was

about

> education. With the right education, even a monkey can take over

the

> world.
>
> Is it my imagination, or did the original movie (borne within a
> decade after the scopes monkey trial) leave that question wide

open?

You're right this is a risk. It looks like the same
thing is happening with the real POTA props and
replicas made by Apemania. Just be careful and if you
see a gorilla suit that comes with gloves and boots
make sure you ask if they are replicas.

Chris

Did you get burnt or was it someone else you know?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Chris Hight[SMTP:SNICKERTOWN@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:31:38 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA REPRO MEGO Boxes
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

You're right this is a risk. It looks like the same
thing is happening with the real POTA props and
replicas made by Apemania. Just be careful and if you
see a gorilla suit that comes with gloves and boots
make sure you ask if they are replicas.

maybe i missed a post, but i am very excited becasue io know the answer.

am i too late?
rob
oosa

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

While you are there, see if you can work out what the image is on the
"Beware the Beast" banner. If you know what it is, be the first to tell
me and you will win a personally autographed limited edition Neil Foster
print of....the FULL picture of that image!

Michael Whity






GO VEGETARIAN!

---------------------------------

I'm sorry my friend,

I think EVERYBODY missed it!

The winners were Hunter and Anthony Mc.

I even let it go much longer until we had the second winner!!!

Good news.....you can but one (and they are LOVELY).

More news on this later.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> maybe i missed a post, but i am very excited becasue io know the

answer.

>
> am i too late?
> rob
> oosa
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> While you are there, see if you can work out what the image is on

the

> "Beware the Beast" banner. If you know what it is, be the first

to tell

> me and you will win a personally autographed limited edition Neil

Foster

> print of....the FULL picture of that image!
>
> Michael Whity
>
>
>
>
>
>
> GO VEGETARIAN!
>
> ---------------------------------

More feedback!

>
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> From: TAEBOKITTI@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:44:31 AM
> To: Michael.Whitty@...