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-----Original Message-----
From: ron kenner [brindlepit2002@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Illustration Chapter 3 Monkey Planet

monkey feces!

i didnt get a picture; just a small box with a red "x" in the center.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:30 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Murdoch Gives (Very) Green Light to Fox

Oh!  That Aussie who owns Fox!  Can't fellow Aussie Michael Whitty get this guy to do anything with APES?

Murdoch Gives (Very) Green Light to Fox

Saying that News Corp's Fox Entertainment Group is "on a great streak," News Corp Chairman Rupert Murdoch said Tuesday that the company plans to increase production at its 20th Century Fox film studio and its Fox Searchlight Unit. The studio, which released 11 films during it last fiscal year, has been given the go-ahead to turn out 20-25 films in the current fiscal year, while Searchlight, which released 8, will raise its total to 11. Murdoch indicated that his decision to increase production was based largely on the performance of The Day After Tomorrow, which was responsible for $540 million in ticket sales worldwide, and I, Robot, which pulled in more than $314 million.

News Corp May Buy Up Fox Entertainment Shares
News Corp is likely to buy out the 18 percent of Fox Entertainment Group that it doesn't already own, its chairman, Rupert Murdoch, said Tuesday. He added that at Fox's current market price, about $5 billion, "Fox would be very cheap." However, Murdoch told the Goldman Sachs investors conference that News Corp is "not in a hurry" to accomplish the buy-out. It may be hinged, analysts said, to the success -- or failure -- of Murdoch's ability to win approval from Australian investors to move News Corp's corporate headquarters from Australia to the U.S.

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-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

Hmmmm....

I'm thinkin'....

The "PLANET OF THE APES" part of the logo looks like it comes
directly from the POTA TV DVD set, which might -- just MIGHT, mind
you -- be a covert hint that this "Beyond the POTA" work concerns the
ultimate fates of Burke/Virdon/Galen, etc.

The sun, too, is reminiscent of the famous POTA TV opening credits
images, where the gorilla is holding his rifle up, the sun at his
back.

Then there's the lamppost/streetsign on the left... and what looks
like it kinda/sorta/might just be a... a parking meter? What IS that
damned thing on the right!? Is its covering there intended to make it
some sorta "scarecrow"-like thing?

Below the "E" in "APES", on the horizon, it looks like there's some
kind of explosion happening, sending debris up into the air. What's
up with that? Hmmm....

Then there's the caption: "COME TO SOMWHERE [spelling!] YOU'VE NEVER
BEEN BEFORE... COME WITH US AS WE GO... BEYOND THE PLANET OF THE
APES". Well, where have we NOT been before? Does the [misspelled]
word "somewhere" indicate that this story is set in a PLACE we've
never been/seen before? Or could it also refer to a TIME we've never
experienced? Hmmm....

We see Human Civilization ruins in this pic, so I'm guessing
that "BEYOND" has nothing to do with Boulle's original novel.

Thus, this adventure is probably set in either the Movie or TV series
universe(s), depending on whether or not you think the 2 can be
reconciled (like I do) or that they're "alternate" universes.

So... is it related to the TV show, or not? If it IS about
Virdon/Burke/Galen (etc), and it IS "somewhere" we've never been
before, then could this story be set somewhere else on post-nuked
Earth, somewhere the Fugitives escaped to, perhaps? Might not that
lamppost represent a remnant of ancient human yet non-American
civilization? I.e.: could this be set, say, in England? We've never
been there before, unless the comic "APE CITY" (which was set in
Europe) also had stuff happening in Britain; it's been so long since
I read 'em, that I can't remember offhand.

As much as my gut is telling me that this is probably something about
the post-TV show fates of Virdon/Burke/Galen... I'm gonna go out on a
limb (like Cornelius Jr.!) and guess that it is NOT.

So... what do I guess it IS about?

The phrase/title "PLANET OF THE APES" represents "a world turned
upside down", where Apes rule and Humans are either enslaved or
dehumanized to the point of animality. In the 1968 film of "PLANET"
and its sequel "BENEATH", that world is destroyed by the detonation
of the Doomsday Bomb. Those who argue for a circular timeline (like
me) would say that the planet Earth is no more, from 3955 onwards
(or, 3978 if you want to argue for the date given in "PLANET").

But there are those (like Rory, for one) who favor the notion that
Caesar did indeed manage to CHANGE THE FUTURE by his actions at the
end of "BATTLE"... and I remember reading some time back a post on
one of these Yahoo groups where it is said that Taylor -- when his
ship gets back to Earth, a world whose "destiny" had been CHANGED by
Caesar's actions -- will arrive to find a world where talking Apes
live in friendship and at peace with the humans descended from the
MacDonald-led group that talked of having their own destiny.

Thus... the "somewhere" we've "never been before" could well refer to
a locale on Earth we HAVE seen before in the pre-"changed" timeline,
yet have NOT seen in a post-"changed" timeline. This COULD be about
Taylor/Landon/Dodge encountering a peaceful community of talking Apes
AND Humans... AND, possibly, Mutants too. Thus, Zira and Cornelius
might very well be there, with there having been no "terrible secret"
guarded by Zaius and his ilk -- the entire community having been told
the tale of Caesar (from the "BATTLE" beginning-and-end scenes).

We've never seen the Movie "Ape City" circa 3955/3978 except in the
first 2 movies, the "pre-changed" timeline setting; we've yet to see
what that same setting would be like -- what
Zira/Cornelius/Zaius/Julius/Ursus/Honorius/Mendez XXVI/Albina/etc.
would be like in a "post-changed" timeline setting.

So... that's my guess. This "BEYOND THE PLANET OF THE APES" will, I'm
guessing, take us BEYOND the situation Taylor initially found (the
first 2 films) and show us what Taylor will come to find after
Caesar's "divine intervention" supposedly CHANGED it to be a better
destiny than Doomsday.

As Zira said about Cornelius' "evolution" theory, mine might be the
most BRILLIANT hypothesis--

"--But I'm probably WRONG!"

If I'm RIGHT, though, I get that "ash-can" edition of "BEWARE THE
BEAST"...

Fingers crossed...

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 10-07-2004

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-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick's turf...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y....>
wrote:
>
> Ok, Michael.  Pay up!
>
>
> In chapter two we meet Ulysse Merou, a man with a family living in
a self-sufficient spaceship.  He begins by telling us the story of
his experiences in a voyage with two other men, Professor Antelle and
Arthur Levain, to the distant and super gigantic star known to some
as Betelgeuse.
>
> Professor Antelle, we learn, is a wealthy scientist, perhaps
somewhat lacking in social graces and without a lot of hope for
humanity, who puts his entire fortune on the line to pull together
this mission.  
> The ship is equipped with a lovely vegetable garden and Antelle
even thought to plant flowers.  Ulysse Merou, a mere journalist, has
been brought along by Antelle to document the mission and perhaps to
be a bit of a diversion for the professor.  

>>>>>Arthur Levaine is a young physician.<<<<< 

In addition to the crew, there are birds and butterflies and a young,
well-trained chimp named Hector.
>
> The Professor's decision to travel to Betelgeuse rather than a
closer star seems to be a good one.  They accelerate for a year 
(traveling at the speed of light minus epsilon) and decelerate for a 
year, reaching their destination in barely more than two years -
about the time it would have taken to reach a closer star if 
traveling at a lesser speed.   (This is Patrick's turf, so I will 
leave that to him.)  The flight goes off without a hitch and the men 
soon see Betelgeuse and, we will learn in Chapter 3, its planets.

*** Just one (minor?) quibble...

Arthur Levain was -- according to the original French text of
Boulle's novel -- "un jeune physicien de grand avenir", which Xan
Fielding translated as "a young PHYSICIAN with a great future".
However, this is a MIS-TRANSLATION of the French word "physicien"..
The word for "physician" in French is "medecin" [with an acute accent
mark above the first "e"]; the French word "physicien" translates to
English accurately as "physicist". Arthur Levain was NOT a physician
or doctor of medicine, as Xan Fielding's (mis-)translation implies;
he was a PHYSICIST. He wasn't on the journey to oversee Antelle's
health concerns (etc), he was there (probably) to study PHYSICS, the
physics of travelling through Space at the speed of light minus
epsilon.

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-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 2:53 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick's turf...

Yeah.  What he said. 



I knew that.

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-----Original Message-----
From: MicroRob [rjamantea@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Mego POTA Figures For Sale

Hey guys its time for me to move some of my collection to buy a new piece that has just came up for sale. I figured i would off them here before going to ebay. please email me if theres anything you would like or if you need pictures of anything. I can do alittle on the prices if you buy a few pieces and will also do payments over a few months after a 15% non-refundable deposit. All piece are 100% complete with original piece unless noted. please email me at rjamantea@...

 

thanks rob

 

Loose

 

Cipsa / Mego Mexico

 

Urko $35.00

Ursus $35.00

Bill $20.00 (wrong clothes but looks good)

 

U.S. Mego

 

Galen / Cornelius Green $25.00

Galen / Cornelius Brown $60.00

Zira $20.00

Gen Ursus $60.00

Gen Ursus $30.00 (missing 1 glove and sword)

Dr. Zaius $50.00 (light orange hair almost blonde)

Soldier Ape $20.00 (no gun)

Soldier Ape $30.00 (Lizard coat no gloves)

Soldier Ape $50.00 (Brown coat no gloves)

 

Boxed

 

Bullmark Japan

 

Cornelius $450.00

Complete with catalog - Rare piece

 

Bradgate

 

Astronaut $200.00

(Bubble open on top, Figure 100% complete in mint condition)

 

Cornelius $500.00 Sealed and mint

 

U.S. Mego Boxed

 

General Urko $1000.00

Super Rare / Complete

 

Galen $225.00

 

Cipsa / Mego Mexico

 

Dr. Zaius $250.00

Sealed

General Urko $225.00

Sealed

General Ursus $225.00

Opened on bottom / 100% complete

 

Other

 

Rare Bonnie Dee Doll Dressed in Galen / Cornelius Clothes $60.00

made in China still sealed in original bag

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: MicroRob [rjamantea@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Mego POTA Figures For Sale

>Hi Rob - is the piece you are after the Treehouse with the 5 figures?  ;)

 

no the piece im going for is a non-apes piece

>Also, may I see scans of (and can you tell me more about) the Rare Bonnie Dee Doll?

 

im not really sure why it was made. it looks like some company had a bunch of dolls and xtra ape clothes and paired them up. there was a dealer at mego con (not huckabone) had one for sale for $300 but dropped the price to $100 when i started to walk away. there was also one on ebay a few weeks back that sold for $79.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5916277608&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

 

hope this helps, rob

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-----Original Message-----
From: MicroRob [rjamantea@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 11:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Mego POTA Figures For Sale

Hey guys its time for me to move some of my collection to buy a new piece that has just came up for sale. I figured i would off them here before going to ebay. please email me if theres anything you would like or if you need pictures of anything. I can do alittle on the prices if you buy a few pieces and will also do payments over a few months after a 15% non-refundable deposit. All piece are 100% complete with original piece unless noted. please email me at rjamantea@...

 

thanks rob

Boxed

 

Bradgate

 

Astronaut $200.00

(Bubble open on top, Figure 100% complete in mint condition)

 

Cornelius $500.00 Sealed and mint

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

"Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@y...> wrote:
> >I don't know what that THING is on the right - looks like a R2D2,
> ape version?
>
> -- Yeah, what is that thing!?!

I've got it. It's the front part of a bike.

Alan

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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You can access this file at the URL:
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:

> I've got it. It's the front part of a bike.
> Alan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> The thing on the right looks like it could be a
> motorcycle buried in the sand...or something with
> handlebars.....

-- Well done Alan and Tim. Yes they are the top front part from a
motorbike. Now you have to tell me what make of bike the handle bars
are from! ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> I've got it. It's the front part of a bike.
> Alan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> The thing on the right looks like it could be a
> motorcycle buried in the sand...or something with
> handlebars.....

-- Well done Alan and Tim. Yes they are the top front part from a
motorbike. Now you have to tell me what make of bike the handle bars
are from! ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: veil_of_evil [veil_of_evil@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:36 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Beyond the Planet of the Apes

Hi. I'm guessing it's a new comic book/graphic novel project
involving Foster. Concerning the object on the right in the
drawing, it sort of looks like a camera tripod, so maybe it's a
documentary project? Can't wait to find out!

-Jimmy

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-----Original Message-----
From: stsroberts [stsroberts@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Beyond the Planet of the Apes

My guess would be that Beyond the Planet of the Apes is going past
what we already know about PotA and giving us more of a view of their
world,
[Whitty, Michael] 

 

YES

 

  a more in depth view of the link between all the stories
[Whitty, Michael] 

 

YES

 

  and to clear up questions regarding endings of stories previously untold,
Burke & Virdon for starters.
[Whitty, Michael] 

 

EVENTUALLY, possibly, but not necessarily......but you get another point for this! 

All I can say is if it is anything like Beware the Beast it has to be
good.  Love your work, keep it up.
[Whitty, Michael] 

 

Hmmm....actually, I do believe it will be quite different to BTB...but I also believe it will bw fun and I hope it gives us all something to talk about (other than putting down our fellow POTA fan friends!) 

Stephen

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> OK - one at a time.
> Jimmy:
> YES, it certainly IS a new comic book involving Foster.
> It isn't a camera tripod, nor is it a set of bagpipes!
> Thanks for your input!

-- No Whitty, definitely NOT bagpipes! Nice try Jimmy

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Whitty [whitty@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Something BIG for Planet of the Apes.

Hey Terry - I should have said the answer needs to go to the GROUP!
I'll lock your answer in!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [terryhoknes@...]
Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:57 AM
To: Michael Whitty
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Something BIG for Planet of the Apes.

here is my wild guess
a brand new original POTA story that takes places in or past the
forbidden
zone ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: ron kenner [brindlepit2002@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

looks to me like we will see pota tv adventures set in the UK.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Then post on the group what you think "Beyond the Planet of the
Apes" actually is.

-- Hmmm... is it a new colouring book maybe?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

My guess is also going to be adventures set elsewhere in the world
[Whitty, Michael] 

 

As said previously, it now WILL be!  1 point!

 

 , butPatrick beat me to posting the specifics. At least I think that's what
Patrick said, I think he covered every other possibility in that last essay
as well.
[Whitty, Michael] 

 

Yup! 

Anyway, if I had to name a country I'd say the UK. But then again, maybe
Australia so it makes it easier for Neil to get some landscapes to refer to!
[Whitty, Michael] 

 

Oh, he HATES OUR LANDSCAPE! 2 points all up for you Alan because you also got the motorbike right! 

Alan

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stsroberts [stsroberts@b...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:04 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Beyond the Planet of the Apes

> My guess would be that Beyond the Planet of the Apes is going past

what we already know about PotA and giving us more of a view of
their world,

>> [Whitty, Michael]
>> YES

> a more in depth view of the link between all the stories

>> [Whitty, Michael]
>> YES

> and to clear up questions regarding endings of stories previously

untold, Burke & Virdon for starters.

>> [Whitty, Michael]
>> EVENTUALLY, possibly, but not necessarily......but you get

another point for this!

> All I can say is if it is anything like Beware the Beast it has to

be good. Love your work, keep it up.

>> [Whitty, Michael]
>> Hmmm....actually, I do believe it will be quite different to

BTB...but I also believe it will be fun and I hope it gives us all
something to talk about

-- Ooooh! very good!~ and not a bagpipe in sight! ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Neil [nfoster@h...]
>>-- Hmmm... is it a new colouring book maybe?

<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> No, but speaking of that, aren't we doing a "Return" version? ;)

--Yeah, eventually! We have to do this one first... oh it's NOT a
colouring book? Are you sure?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dario [ev001@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 7:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

OK, most of the good (probable) answers have already been sent so I'm
gonna stake my ground with this answer.

   "Beyond the Planet of the Apes" is:
   The PRINTED version of the Official International Planet of the
   Apes Fan Club's Flagship, BEWARE THE BEAST (in two parts),
   containing an additional 7 pages never before seen by people not
   directly involved in the project!

Has that for a cut'n'paste answer!

The image appears to be "Foster" art, but I'm not sure if it's Neil or
that new 10 year old Foster who made their debut on the back cover of
Scrolls #9. ;)

Dario

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:48 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

The thing on the right looks like it could be a
motorcycle buried in the sand...or something with
handlebars.....My guess is that it is a new comic from
the makers of BTB but I can't get specific.......

Tim

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Neil [nfoster@h...]
>>-- Hmmm... is it a new colouring book maybe?

<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> No, but speaking of that, aren't we doing a "Return" version?  ;)

--Yeah, eventually! We have to do this one first... oh it's NOT a
colouring book? Are you sure?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

Hmmmm....

I'm thinkin'....

The "PLANET OF THE APES" part of the logo looks like it comes
directly from the POTA TV DVD set, which might -- just MIGHT, mind
you -- be a covert hint that this "Beyond the POTA" work concerns the
ultimate fates of Burke/Virdon/Galen, etc.

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-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

The sun, too, is reminiscent of the famous POTA TV opening credits
images, where the gorilla is holding his rifle up, the sun at his
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Oh, he HATES OUR LANDSCAPE! 2 points all up for you Alan because

you also got the motorbike right!

-- Actually he loves the Aussie landscapes, it's those bloody
ignorant Aussies he hates... NO JUST KIDDING! they are great people,
even if they do cheat at cricket ;-)

Well done getting the motorbike handlebars right Alan, most seem to
have had trouble with that! Bagpipes? Ha!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

Then there's the lamppost/streetsign on the left... and what looks
like it kinda/sorta/might just be a... a parking meter? What IS that
damned thing on the right!? Is its covering there intended to make it
some sorta "scarecrow"-like thing?

Below the "E" in "APES", on the horizon, it looks like there's some
kind of explosion happening, sending debris up into the air. What's
up with that? Hmmm....

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-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

Then there's the caption: "COME TO SOMWHERE [spelling!] YOU'VE NEVER
BEEN BEFORE... COME WITH US AS WE GO... BEYOND THE PLANET OF THE
APES". Well, where have we NOT been before? Does the [misspelled]
word "somewhere" indicate that this story is set in a PLACE we've
never been/seen before? Or could it also refer to a TIME we've never
experienced? Hmmm....

We see Human Civilization ruins in this pic, so I'm guessing
that "BEYOND" has nothing to do with Boulle's original novel.

Thus, this adventure is probably set in either the Movie or TV series
universe(s), depending on whether or not you think the 2 can be
reconciled (like I do) or that they're "alternate" universes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Oh, he HATES OUR LANDSCAPE! 2 points all up for you Alan because
you also got the motorbike right!

-- Actually he loves the Aussie landscapes, it's those bloody
ignorant Aussies he hates... NO JUST KIDDING! they are great people,
even if they do cheat at cricket ;-)

Well done getting the motorbike handlebars right Alan, most seem to
have had trouble with that! Bagpipes? Ha!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

So... is it related to the TV show, or not? If it IS about
Virdon/Burke/Galen (etc), and it IS "somewhere" we've never been
before, then could this story be set somewhere else on post-nuked
Earth, somewhere the Fugitives escaped to, perhaps? Might not that
lamppost represent a remnant of ancient human yet non-American
civilization? I.e.: could this be set, say, in England? We've never
been there before, unless the comic "APE CITY" (which was set in
Europe) also had stuff happening in Britain; it's been so long since
I read 'em, that I can't remember offhand.

As much as my gut is telling me that this is probably something about
the post-TV show fates of Virdon/Burke/Galen... I'm gonna go out on a
limb (like Cornelius Jr.!) and guess that it is NOT.

So... what do I guess it IS about?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>>From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
>> The "PLANET OF THE APES" part of the logo looks like it comes

directly from the POTA TV DVD set

<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Neil? Is it?

-- No not the TV DVD. I can't remember exactly where it was from, I
think it was from a Beneath video cover but it has been
extensively 'reworked' by me.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: patrickmichaeltilton [patrickmichaeltilton@y...]
>> The sun, too, is reminiscent of the famous POTA TV opening

credits images, where the gorilla is holding his rifle up, the sun
at his back.

<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> That's what I thought - and that sun is in the logo of the Official

International Planet of the Apes Fan Club too....was this intended
Neil or concidence?

-- Neither! It was in fact a happy accident. The sun was part of the
picture and when I went to add the words later I thought it would
look kind of cool and POTAish if I combined it with the logo.

Neil

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Rob - can you send a photot of the BRADGATE stuff please.  I am having a mental block trying to picture these!

 

sure there almost like the carded U.S. stuff with the cards being a diff color. the back is whats really diff. there were only 5 figures offered in that line.

 

Astronaut is on a red card with Cornelius being on a orange card

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--- In friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <
Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Here is the first strip:

Outstanding work guys. You've hooked the reader in just four panels. I look
forward to seeing more.

Dave B

Dave,

Thanks - that means a lot coming from you. As you know I very much
admire all your stories that I have read.

I recall when we first started "Beware the Beast" you commented that
you hope to bring out the POTA writers in the group/s. Well, you
have certainly inspired me to put pen to paper.

I just hope my stories can be HALF as interesting as yours.

Neil has tighter control over me though - he has already demanded
there be no Icarus interiors or detailed landscapes! ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:
>
> --- In friends_and_fugitives@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <
> Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
>
> > Here is the first strip:
>
> Outstanding work guys. You've hooked the reader in just four
panels. I look
> forward to seeing more.
>
> Dave B

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Dave,

> I recall when we first started "Beware the Beast" you commented that
> you hope to bring out the POTA writers in the group/s. Well, you
> have certainly inspired me to put pen to paper.

Then I'm happier than a pig in poo! Let's hope this signals just the start of
something big.

> Neil has tighter control over me though - he has already demanded
> there be no Icarus interiors or detailed landscapes! ;)

Are those pencil shadings rather than ink, Neil?

Dave B

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:

> Are those pencil shadings rather than ink, Neil?

-- Yep Dave it's pencils. Makes it a lot quicker plus I like the way
some things aren't lost when ink is plastered all over them.

My favourite Marvel magazines were those ones in which they used Mike
Ploog's un-inked pencils, it looks better to me even if you do lose
some sharpness.

Neil

Don't forget Elaine's poem which is a tribute to Gideon - have you
read this?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
>
> > I recall when we first started "Beware the Beast" you commented
that
> > you hope to bring out the POTA writers in the group/s. Well,
you
> > have certainly inspired me to put pen to paper.
>
> Then I'm happier than a pig in poo! Let's hope this signals just
the start of something big.

Hey all, thought I would let you all know that Ebay has the Mego
Planet of the Apes Villiage playset in the box up for auction. This
is like the Holy Grail of Planet of the Apes mego items. The Ebay
listing number is 5924175159
Luke the Drifter

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I know one of the item in the panel is a lamp post and maybe either it's a street sign or a home address sign and I think the other item got to be a water spicket.

I was going to bring this up later after I have
finished reading all the Adventure comics which for
some reason I never have before. Haven't read the
Scrolls article on them..(waiting til I'm
done)....These are my thoughts......

I don't mind the stories about Alexander, grandson of
Caesar. But I am SO GLAD they changed artisits half
way through. I thought the first artist wasn't very
clear with what he was doing...they all looked alike
(and Coure was certainly not attractive!) and he was
sloppy. ...the later artist was a much better choice.

The Ape Nation, Ape Riders, and Ape City stories were
just stupid. Urchak's Folly was cool.

Glad there was Ape material to be had but it was so
amateurish. Neil can draw circles around those guys
which is why I am very excited about these new
adventures.......Just , please, no aliens or western
themes, please!

Also, the first few articles I did read in Scrolls had
me frustrated. Practically every one of those guys all
either couldn't care less about POTA or just plain
couldn't remember anything about it! Almost got the
feeling they were laughing at "us" for even having a
fanzine! But I do sincerely appreciate the time and
effort that goes into the zine...Thanks to Dave and
all involved!

Tim

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----- Original Message -----

From: ape_mom

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:03 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Helen's Novel - or at least SUMMARY OF Chapter 2

Ok, Michael.  Pay up!


In chapter two we meet Ulysse Merou, a man with a family living in a
self-sufficient spaceship.  He begins by telling us the story of his
experiences in a voyage with two other men, Professor Antelle and
Arthur Levain, to the distant and super gigantic star known to some
as Betelgeuse.

Professor Antelle, we learn, is a wealthy scientist, perhaps somewhat
lacking in social graces and without a lot of hope for humanity, who
puts his entire fortune on the line to pull together this mission.  
The ship is equipped with a lovely vegetable garden and Antelle even
thought to plant flowers.  Ulysse Merou, a mere journalist, has been
brought along by Antelle to document the mission and perhaps to be a
bit of a diversion for the professor.   Arthur Levaine is a young
physician.  In addition to the crew, there are birds and butterflies
and a young, well-trained chimp named Hector.

The Professor's decision to travel to Betelgeuse rather than a
closer star seems to be a good one.  They accelerate for a year
(traveling at the speed of light minus epsilon) and decelerate for a
year, reaching their destination in barely more than two years –
about the time it would have taken to reach a closer star if
traveling at a lesser speed.   (This is Patrick's turf, so I will
leave that to him.)  The flight goes off without a hitch and the men
soon see Betelgeuse and, we will learn in Chapter 3, its planets.







--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> Well, come on!  Nothing's FREE!
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > OUCH!!!
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > > No - just PROMISED that I WOULD!!!  ;)
> > > 
> > > Your next Peppermint Crisp is looking dubious!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >

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----- Original Message -----

From: ape_mom

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:03 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Helen's Novel - or at least SUMMARY OF Chapter 2

Ok, Michael.  Pay up!


In chapter two we meet Ulysse Merou, a man with a family living in a
self-sufficient spaceship.  He begins by telling us the story of his
experiences in a voyage with two other men, Professor Antelle and
Arthur Levain, to the distant and super gigantic star known to some
as Betelgeuse.

Professor Antelle, we learn, is a wealthy scientist, perhaps somewhat
lacking in social graces and without a lot of hope for humanity, who
puts his entire fortune on the line to pull together this mission.  
The ship is equipped with a lovely vegetable garden and Antelle even
thought to plant flowers.  Ulysse Merou, a mere journalist, has been
brought along by Antelle to document the mission and perhaps to be a
bit of a diversion for the professor.   Arthur Levaine is a young
physician.  In addition to the crew, there are birds and butterflies
and a young, well-trained chimp named Hector.

The Professor's decision to travel to Betelgeuse rather than a
closer star seems to be a good one.  They accelerate for a year
(traveling at the speed of light minus epsilon) and decelerate for a
year, reaching their destination in barely more than two years –
about the time it would have taken to reach a closer star if
traveling at a lesser speed.   (This is Patrick's turf, so I will
leave that to him.)  The flight goes off without a hitch and the men
soon see Betelgeuse and, we will learn in Chapter 3, its planets.







--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> Well, come on!  Nothing's FREE!
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > OUCH!!!
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > > No - just PROMISED that I WOULD!!!  ;)
> > > 
> > > Your next Peppermint Crisp is looking dubious!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 5:30 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Murdoch Gives (Very) Green Light to Fox

Oh!  That Aussie who owns Fox!  Can't fellow Aussie Michael Whitty get this guy to do anything with APES?

Murdoch Gives (Very) Green Light to Fox

Saying that News Corp's Fox Entertainment Group is "on a great streak," News Corp Chairman Rupert Murdoch said Tuesday that the company plans to increase production at its 20th Century Fox film studio and its Fox Searchlight Unit. The studio, which released 11 films during it last fiscal year, has been given the go-ahead to turn out 20-25 films in the current fiscal year, while Searchlight, which released 8, will raise its total to 11. Murdoch indicated that his decision to increase production was based largely on the performance of The Day After Tomorrow, which was responsible for $540 million in ticket sales worldwide, and I, Robot, which pulled in more than $314 million.

News Corp May Buy Up Fox Entertainment Shares
News Corp is likely to buy out the 18 percent of Fox Entertainment Group that it doesn't already own, its chairman, Rupert Murdoch, said Tuesday. He added that at Fox's current market price, about $5 billion, "Fox would be very cheap." However, Murdoch told the Goldman Sachs investors conference that News Corp is "not in a hurry" to accomplish the buy-out. It may be hinged, analysts said, to the success -- or failure -- of Murdoch's ability to win approval from Australian investors to move News Corp's corporate headquarters from Australia to the U.S.

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Jeff!!

You read it!!

==Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> "Ulysse Merou, a mere journalist, has been brought along by
Antelle to document the mission and perhaps to be a bit of a
diversion for the professor".
>
> Helen! And you had problems with my take on Brent. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ape_mom
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:03 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Helen's Novel - or at least SUMMARY OF
Chapter 2
>
>
>
> Ok, Michael. Pay up!
>
>
> In chapter two we meet Ulysse Merou, a man with a family living
in a
> self-sufficient spaceship. He begins by telling us the story of
his
> experiences in a voyage with two other men, Professor Antelle and
> Arthur Levain, to the distant and super gigantic star known to
some
> as Betelgeuse.
>
> Professor Antelle, we learn, is a wealthy scientist, perhaps
somewhat
> lacking in social graces and without a lot of hope for humanity,
who
> puts his entire fortune on the line to pull together this
mission.
> The ship is equipped with a lovely vegetable garden and Antelle
even
> thought to plant flowers. Ulysse Merou, a mere journalist, has
been
> brought along by Antelle to document the mission and perhaps to
be a
> bit of a diversion for the professor. Arthur Levaine is a young
> physician. In addition to the crew, there are birds and
butterflies
> and a young, well-trained chimp named Hector.
>
> The Professor's decision to travel to Betelgeuse rather than a
> closer star seems to be a good one. They accelerate for a year
> (traveling at the speed of light minus epsilon) and decelerate
for a
> year, reaching their destination in barely more than two years -
> about the time it would have taken to reach a closer star if
> traveling at a lesser speed. (This is Patrick's turf, so I will
> leave that to him.) The flight goes off without a hitch and the
men
> soon see Betelgeuse and, we will learn in Chapter 3, its planets.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, come on! Nothing's FREE!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom"
<sand_hill_school@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > OUCH!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > > <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > > > No - just PROMISED that I WOULD!!! ;)
> > > >
> > > > Your next Peppermint Crisp is looking dubious!
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Tim Parati <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> Also, the first few articles I did read in Scrolls had
> me frustrated. Practically every one of those guys all
> either couldn't care less about POTA or just plain
> couldn't remember anything about it! Almost got the
> feeling they were laughing at "us" for even having a
> fanzine! But I do sincerely appreciate the time and
> effort that goes into the zine...Thanks to Dave and
> all involved!

Thanks Tim. Believe me the team at Scrolls share in your
frustration. That some of the guys couldn't care less... yes I
agree. That they were laughing at 'us'... No, I don't think so. They
may not have given us the answers we were looking for but they
ARE all professionals who took time out from busy schedules to
answer our questions.

And please, make that 'thanks to JOHN and all involved'
otherwise he'll be on the phone and launching into one of his
legendary tirades - and then I'll have no choice but to phone the
police - and then... You know how it goes. :0)

Dave B

.html I does mention that Professor Antelle was going to take Ulysse's, not just because he was a journalist, but also because he was a fairly good chess player. The idea that he went along as a distraction seems okay to me. Besides the fact that he intented to write about his adventure once they got home.
 
Kasey/Undomiel  
 
--- "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
 
From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:53:28 -0000
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Helen's Novel - or at least SUMMARY OF Chapter 2


Jeff!!

You read it!!

==Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   "Ulysse Merou, a mere journalist, has been brought along by
Antelle to document the mission and perhaps to be a bit of a
diversion for the professor".
>
>  Helen! And you had problems with my take on Brent.  - - - Jeff
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: ape_mom
>   To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:03 AM
>   Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Helen's Novel - or at least SUMMARY OF
Chapter 2
>
>
>
>   Ok, Michael.  Pay up!
>
>
>   In chapter two we meet Ulysse Merou, a man with a family living
in a
>   self-sufficient spaceship.  He begins by telling us the story of
his
>   experiences in a voyage with two other men, Professor Antelle and
>   Arthur Levain, to the distant and super gigantic star known to
some
>   as Betelgeuse.
>
>   Professor Antelle, we learn, is a wealthy scientist, perhaps
somewhat
>   lacking in social graces and without a lot of hope for humanity,
who
>   puts his entire fortune on the line to pull together this
mission.  
>   The ship is equipped with a lovely vegetable garden and Antelle
even
>   thought to plant flowers.  Ulysse Merou, a mere journalist, has
been
>   brought along by Antelle to document the mission and perhaps to
be a
>   bit of a diversion for the professor.   Arthur Levaine is a young
>   physician.  In addition to the crew, there are birds and
butterflies
>   and a young, well-trained chimp named Hector.
>
>   The Professor's decision to travel to Betelgeuse rather than a
>   closer star seems to be a good one.  They accelerate for a year
>   (traveling at the speed of light minus epsilon) and decelerate
for a
>   year, reaching their destination in barely more than two years -
>   about the time it would have taken to reach a closer star if
>   traveling at a lesser speed.   (This is Patrick's turf, so I will
>   leave that to him.)  The flight goes off without a hitch and the
men
>   soon see Betelgeuse and, we will learn in Chapter 3, its planets.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > Well, come on!  Nothing's FREE!
>   >
>   > Michael
>   >
>   > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom"
<sand_hill_school@y...>
>   > wrote:
>   > >
>   > > OUCH!!!
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
>   > > <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
>   > > > No - just PROMISED that I WOULD!!!  ;)
>   > > > 
>   > > > Your next Peppermint Crisp is looking dubious!
>   > > >
>   > > > Michael
>   > > >
>
>
>
>
>        
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>             
>       
>       
>
>
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"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...>

> Yeah, and I was going to really rub it in to Alan because he is Scottish.

Give me a story about a kilted ape who discovers the delights of a
deep-fried pizza and a bottle of Irn Bru and I'll forgive you.

Alan

I disagree about the complaints that the people interviewed in "Scrolls"
didn't like POTA. That's a very important part of POTA history and I prefer
it unvarnished. If the comics were produced by people who didn't care for
POTA that's an important thing to know, and of course for MOST of the people
who worked on POTA (whether movies, TV or comics) it was an assignment, a
way to pay the bills. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. To not want
to hear from people who didn't like it, or want them to pretend they did
like it is revisionism. That's fine for a fluff piece but not for a quality
endeavor like "Scrolls". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave B" <smugster@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:15 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Adventure Comics


>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati <apefan23@y...>
> wrote:
>
> > Also, the first few articles I did read in Scrolls had
> > me frustrated. Practically every one of those guys all
> > either couldn't care less about POTA or just plain
> > couldn't remember anything about it! Almost got the
> > feeling they were laughing at "us" for even having a
> > fanzine! But I do sincerely appreciate the time and
> > effort that goes into the zine...Thanks to Dave and
> > all involved!
>
> Thanks Tim. Believe me the team at Scrolls share in your
> frustration. That some of the guys couldn't care less... yes I
> agree. That they were laughing at 'us'... No, I don't think so. They
> may not have given us the answers we were looking for but they
> ARE all professionals who took time out from busy schedules to
> answer our questions.
>
> And please, make that 'thanks to JOHN and all involved'
> otherwise he'll be on the phone and launching into one of his
> legendary tirades - and then I'll have no choice but to phone the
> police - and then... You know how it goes. :0)
>
> Dave B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> I disagree about the complaints that the people interviewed in "Scrolls"
> didn't like POTA. That's a very important part of POTA history and I

prefer

> it unvarnished. If the comics were produced by people who didn't care for
> POTA that's an important thing to know, and of course for MOST of the

people

> who worked on POTA (whether movies, TV or comics) it was an assignment, a
> way to pay the bills. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. To not

want

> to hear from people who didn't like it, or want them to pretend they did
> like it is revisionism. That's fine for a fluff piece but not for a

quality

> endeavor like "Scrolls". - - - Jeff

Well said Jeff - that's pretty much what I tried to say on the matter a
while back but ended up rambling on a bit. Succinctly put!

Alan

I honestly meant to write "John"!...do forgive
me...I!!

Tim

--- Dave B <smugster@...> wrote:

> And please, make that 'thanks to JOHN and all
> involved'
> otherwise he'll be on the phone and launching into
> one of his
> legendary tirades - and then I'll have no choice but
> to phone the
> police - and then... You know how it goes. :0)
>
> Dave B
>
>
>
>

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I actually agree too and it think it explains a lot that these guys were
NOT POTA fans - it's the reason I think POTA went to ape poo-poo!

However, my "complaint" is NOT that these guys said they were not
fans/don't remember....that's a matter for historical record.

My problem is that the articles then went on to glorify these guys for
their NON-POTA stuff. And it's more a comment of PERSONAL
DISSATISFACTION than a complaint - I would have said "OK, thanks for
that", saved the space and run one of the comic related articles Scrolls
has on hold.

But I don't run Scrolls - if I did you would be lucky to get one copy
out every 6 YEARS! ;)

I just wanted to give you feedback that was the same reaction from every
single person (the whole two of them) I discussed this issue of Scrolls
with.

I'd love to hear from John why he decided to go with the articles
anyway. John, are you reading this? A simple "get stuffed" if you
don't want to respond would suffice! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Alan Maxwell[SMTP:ALAN@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:30:56 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Adventure Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> I disagree about the complaints that the people interviewed in

"Scrolls"

> didn't like POTA. That's a very important part of POTA history and I

prefer

> it unvarnished. If the comics were produced by people who didn't care

for

> POTA that's an important thing to know, and of course for MOST of the

people

> who worked on POTA (whether movies, TV or comics) it was an

assignment, a

> way to pay the bills. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. To not

want

> to hear from people who didn't like it, or want them to pretend they

did

> like it is revisionism. That's fine for a fluff piece but not for a

quality

> endeavor like "Scrolls". - - - Jeff

Well said Jeff - that's pretty much what I tried to say on the matter a
while back but ended up rambling on a bit. Succinctly put!

Alan

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From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:01 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Adventure Comics

I actually agree too and it think it explains a lot that these guys were
NOT POTA fans - it's the reason I think POTA went to ape poo-poo!

However, my "complaint" is NOT that these guys said they were not
fans/don't remember....that's a matter for historical record.

My problem is that the articles then went on to glorify these guys for
their NON-POTA stuff.  And it's more a comment of PERSONAL
DISSATISFACTION than a complaint -  I would have said "OK, thanks for
that", saved the space and run one of the comic related articles Scrolls
has on hold.

But I don't run Scrolls - if I did you would be lucky to get one copy
out every 6 YEARS!  ;)

I just wanted to give you feedback that was the same reaction from every
single person (the whole two of them) I discussed this issue of Scrolls
with.

I'd love to hear from John why he decided to go with the articles
anyway.  John, are you reading this?  A simple "get stuffed" if you
don't want to respond would suffice!  ;)

Michael


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> Sent:       Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:30:56 AM
> To:       PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:       Re: [PotaDG] Re: Adventure Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
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Jeff <veetus@...> wrote:
>
>   I disagree about the complaints that the people interviewed in
"Scrolls"
> didn't like POTA. That's a very important part of POTA history and I
prefer
> it unvarnished. If the comics were produced by people who didn't care
for
> POTA that's an important thing to know, and of course for MOST of the
people
> who worked on POTA (whether movies, TV or comics) it was an
assignment, a
> way to pay the bills. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. To not
want
> to hear from people who didn't like it, or want them to pretend they
did
> like it is revisionism. That's fine for a fluff piece but not for a
quality
> endeavor like "Scrolls". - - - Jeff

Well said Jeff - that's pretty much what I tried to say on the matter a
while back but ended up rambling on a bit. Succinctly put!

Alan

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I don't know about Charles Marshall, but I imagine Tim Burton uses the
term "POTA FAN" very LOOSELY, Jeff! Just like when the Brady Bunch
movie was coming out, suddenly people who watched and hated it were
proclaiming to be "fans", similarly I get people telling me all the time
how they are POTA fans and they really just remember watching one of the
TV Shows.

I think it would be difficult for a real fan, who is also a
professional, to get it wrong (particularly is they were applying their
professional skill to the task at hand). But I may be wrong (although
that would only be the second time EVER so I doubt it! ;).

Eg Nigo from "A Bathing Ape" and his involvement in Medicoms.

Another eg Jeff's involvement in AC; Dave's involvement in SS.

I could keep going (and I will - Greg P's card set, Neil and Dave's
involvement in BTB!), but I think we would agree that 99% of the time
this is the case.

Michael

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> From: veetus@...[SMTP:VEETUS@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:20:05 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Adventure Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
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Well, modern day Apeists like Tim Burton and Adventure's Charles
Marshall
are self-described "fans" too, and they didn't fare much better in
telling
"Ape" stories than the non-fans. - - - Jeff

He did good ACTING!

His arrogance and need to control nearly stopped the franchise after
"Beneath" and that is NOT a good thing (or might it have been - RORY?).

Michael

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> From: veetus@...[SMTP:VEETUS@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:20:05 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Adventure Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
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Charlton Heston has never pretended to be a fan; he didn't like Boulle's
book but just liked the movie idea and the people he worked with. He
never bothered to see the sequels. Yet he did good work- - - Jeff

Maybe that was the drugs Jeff? ;)

I wonder why. He sure remembered heaps else and I only just re-watched
his two hour "Behind" interview - he WAS a fan!

So....what determines a "real fan"?

Is it the guy with the biggest toy collection?

Is there a criteria?

Michael

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> From: veetus@...[SMTP:VEETUS@...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:20:05 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Adventure Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
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Even Roddy couldn't remember anything about "Battle" in his "Behind
the POTA" Spec. Edition interview. - - - Jeff

Jeff,

It would be great to see an interview with Todd.

Do you think you could find him and ask him some questions?

Michael

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Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2004 8:25 AM
To: whitty@...
Subject: Time of the McFarlane

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

I don't think Fox was as big a corporate entity in the '70's and the
POTA era had ended around the time of "Time of the Apes". Plus, it was a

Japanese production so maybe they decided why bother.

I don't know how serious McFarlane was with his TV show. I remember a
quote where he said he was a POTA fan and if Fox wasn't going to get
their act together with the new movie, he'd do his own POTA. He could've

probably done it if it was different enough (I can't really think of
anything McFarlane has produced in movies or TV except some "Spawn"
things).
Maybe he was just trying to kick start it as a fan, and it worked. About
a
week later Fox announced they were moving ahead on what became POTA2001.
- - -
Jeff

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He did good ACTING!

His arrogance and need to control nearly stopped the franchise after
"Beneath" and that is NOT a good thing (or might it have been - RORY?).

Michael

I don't know where Jeff gets his information that Heston didn't like Boulle's novel.  I've always got the impression he thought it interesting but not cinematic.

Heston's opinion of APES has been mixed over the years.  He was obviously enthusiastic about it in the beginning and throughout the filming, otherwise he'd have made a point to say he wasn't.  He's sure put down other movies he's done easily enough.  Yet, he did write that he was initially disappointed with APES when he first saw it at a preview, but I think it was his role only that interested him and that he wished there was more to it.

There was a time in the seventies and early eighties were I think he was trying to avoid the subject of APES.  He had as little to do with BENEATH as he possibly could (and I think he had every right to feel a sequel wasn't necessary), and had nothing to do with the rest of it.  I think he thought that everything about APES outside of his film was juvenile and the cult surrounding it silly.  Joe Russo would know more about it since he'd interviewed him during this time.  I've listened to some of a phone conversation they had and Heston seemed very open and enjoyable discussing the movie, he also thought that the real guy to talk to was Frank Schaffner but that was never to be.

Later, I think that Heston came to appreciate the status the original movie has come to enjoy as a true movie classic, and the residual checks it brought in, but I'd never say Heston was an APES fan as we are.

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From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 5:20 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mr H

In a message dated 10/9/04 6:52:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

He did good ACTING!

His arrogance and need to control nearly stopped the franchise after
"Beneath" and that is NOT a good thing (or might it have been - RORY?).

Michael

I don't know where Jeff gets his information that Heston didn't like Boulle's novel.  I've always got the impression he thought it interesting but not cinematic.

Heston's opinion of APES has been mixed over the years.  He was obviously enthusiastic about it in the beginning and throughout the filming, otherwise he'd have made a point to say he wasn't.  He's sure put down other movies he's done easily enough.  Yet, he did write that he was initially disappointed with APES when he first saw it at a preview, but I think it was his role only that interested him and that he wished there was more to it.

There was a time in the seventies and early eighties were I think he was trying to avoid the subject of APES.  He had as little to do with BENEATH as he possibly could (and I think he had every right to feel a sequel wasn't necessary), and had nothing to do with the rest of it.  I think he thought that everything about APES outside of his film was juvenile and the cult surrounding it silly.  Joe Russo would know more about it since he'd interviewed him during this time.  I've listened to some of a phone conversation they had and Heston seemed very open and enjoyable discussing the movie, he also thought that the real guy to talk to was Frank Schaffner but that was never to be.

Later, I think that Heston came to appreciate the status the original movie has come to enjoy as a true movie classic, and the residual checks it brought in, but I'd never say Heston was an APES fan as we are.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 5:20 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mr H

In a message dated 10/9/04 6:52:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

He did good ACTING!

His arrogance and need to control nearly stopped the franchise after
"Beneath" and that is NOT a good thing (or might it have been - RORY?).

Michael

I don't know where Jeff gets his information that Heston didn't like Boulle's novel.  I've always got the impression he thought it interesting but not cinematic.

Heston's opinion of APES has been mixed over the years.  He was obviously enthusiastic about it in the beginning and throughout the filming, otherwise he'd have made a point to say he wasn't.  He's sure put down other movies he's done easily enough.  Yet, he did write that he was initially disappointed with APES when he first saw it at a preview, but I think it was his role only that interested him and that he wished there was more to it.

There was a time in the seventies and early eighties were I think he was trying to avoid the subject of APES.  He had as little to do with BENEATH as he possibly could (and I think he had every right to feel a sequel wasn't necessary), and had nothing to do with the rest of it.  I think he thought that everything about APES outside of his film was juvenile and the cult surrounding it silly.  Joe Russo would know more about it since he'd interviewed him during this time.  I've listened to some of a phone conversation they had and Heston seemed very open and enjoyable discussing the movie, he also thought that the real guy to talk to was Frank Schaffner but that was never to be.

Later, I think that Heston came to appreciate the status the original movie has come to enjoy as a true movie classic, and the residual checks it brought in, but I'd never say Heston was an APES fan as we are.

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 10/10/04 1:48:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Extras will include episode commentaries (including Ted Post; when's he gonna do one for "Beneath"?)

I don't think even Ted Post would have much good to say about BENEATH.

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.html.html In a message dated 10/10/04 11:38:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

he was mostly a tv director, right?

Ted Post?  Yes, prior to BENEATH, I think the only other theatrical movie he'd done was HANG 'EM HIGH (1968).  Watch that movie and you'll see a lot of the style in BENEATH.

Post also directed the second Dirty Harry movie MAGNUM FORCE (1973), and if you rent that DVD there's a featurette where you can watch Post directing several scenes.  From that you can imagine him working on BENEATH.

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It was simply an early Clint Eastwood Western.

If I am not mistaken, his first 3 starring roles were the "Spaghetti
Westerns Trilogy" and his first starring role in a USA Movie was in
"Hang 'Em High", where he plays a more "Rowdy Yates" (from Rawhide) like
character.

I'm a big Eastwood fan too.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ron kenner[SMTP:BRINDLEPIT2002@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 3:05:51 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: OT: "Twilight Zone" DVD update
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

was "hang em high" a spaghetti western, or simply a western with
eastwood?

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/10/04 11:38:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
brindlepit2002@... writes:




he was mostly a tv director, right?




Ted Post? Yes, prior to BENEATH, I think the only other theatrical
movie
he'd done was HANG 'EM HIGH (1968). Watch that movie and you'll see a
lot
of the style in BENEATH.

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-----Original Message-----
From: MicroRob [rjamantea@...]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 5:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Mego POTA Figures For Sale

 

Rob - can you send a photot of the BRADGATE stuff please.  I am having a mental block trying to picture these!

 

sure there almost like the carded U.S. stuff with the cards being a diff color. the back is whats really diff. there were only 5 figures offered in that line.

 

Astronaut is on a red card with Cornelius being on a orange card

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-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [hoknes@...]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

does anybody have info on these?

anybody have pictures?

I'm sure I saw a 12" general soldier Urko? at a flea market many years ago

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There were the Carnival Dolls.....

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [hoknes@...]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

hmm what do those look like?

are they in chris' collectibles book?

 

 

 

There were the Carnival Dolls.....

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----- Original Message -----

From: Hoknes

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:00 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

does anybody have info on these?

anybody have pictures?

I'm sure I saw a 12" general soldier Urko? at a flea market many years ago

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----- Original Message -----

From: Hoknes

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

When I was twelve I went to a fleamarket collectibles type store.

 

They had this huge POTA gorilla figure.  I would swear it was 12".  The closest thing it reminded me of was the 12" Darth Vader figure from 1979.

 

Note at this point I had NEVER seen a POTA figure of any type including mego.  This was in 1983.

I have never seen that figure again

 

I clearly recall it was $10.00 that day.  But at age 12 I could not afford such an item.

Obviously I had enough interest in POTA by that time to have been really interested in the item. 

Yet I did not own a single POTA item then.

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  It's possible it could've been a bootleg or knockoff, too. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Hoknes

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

When I was twelve I went to a fleamarket collectibles type store.

 

They had this huge POTA gorilla figure.  I would swear it was 12".  The closest thing it reminded me of was the 12" Darth Vader figure from 1979.

 

Note at this point I had NEVER seen a POTA figure of any type including mego.  This was in 1983.

I have never seen that figure again

 

I clearly recall it was $10.00 that day.  But at age 12 I could not afford such an item.

Obviously I had enough interest in POTA by that time to have been really interested in the item. 

Yet I did not own a single POTA item then.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:49 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Something BIG for Planet of the Apes

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
> Yeah, and I was going to really rub it in to Alan because he is Scottish.

Give me a story about a kilted ape who discovers the delights of a
deep-fried pizza and a bottle of Irn Bru and I'll forgive you.

Alan

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----- Original Message -----

From: Hoknes

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

it is possible it wasn't authentic

but i cant see someone likely in a smaller center making a high quality of Urko in the early 80s!?!?!

 

 

 

 

  It's possible it could've been a bootleg or knockoff, too. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Hoknes

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

When I was twelve I went to a fleamarket collectibles type store.

 

They had this huge POTA gorilla figure.  I would swear it was 12".  The closest thing it reminded me of was the 12" Darth Vader figure from 1979.

 

Note at this point I had NEVER seen a POTA figure of any type including mego.  This was in 1983.

I have never seen that figure again

 

I clearly recall it was $10.00 that day.  But at age 12 I could not afford such an item.

Obviously I had enough interest in POTA by that time to have been really interested in the item. 

Yet I did not own a single POTA item then.

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.html.html In a message dated 10/10/04 8:20:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I don't think there were 12" POTA figures in the '70's. The Urko you probably saw was Hasbro's 12"ers in the late '90's. I think it was Ursus. I remember they had "autograph dolls" in the '70's, but just Galen and Zauis. Those were like stuffed plush. Hasbro did 12" Cornelius, Urko, Soldier Ape (available in black or red), Taylor, Zira (I have a rare pre-production mock up) and Zauis. - - - Jeff

I had a 12" POTA figure in the early seventies, but It was a G.I. Joe I made to look like Cornelius.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

In a message dated 10/10/04 8:20:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I don't think there were 12" POTA figures in the '70's. The Urko you probably saw was Hasbro's 12"ers in the late '90's. I think it was Ursus. I remember they had "autograph dolls" in the '70's, but just Galen and Zauis. Those were like stuffed plush. Hasbro did 12" Cornelius, Urko, Soldier Ape (available in black or red), Taylor, Zira (I have a rare pre-production mock up) and Zauis. - - - Jeff

I had a 12" POTA figure in the early seventies, but It was a G.I. Joe I made to look like Cornelius.

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; the gang; pota_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [POTA_Phenomenon] OT: "Simpsons" action figures R.I.P.

 

  I never bought any, but Playmates "Simpsons" figures had an incredibly varied and long life. Many POTA fans, including myself, hoped they'd get around to a POTA musical figure or set, but they never did. No Dr. Zauis, Dr. Zauis. No Zira in a nurse's uniform. Now it's all over. Anyhoo, here's a nice tribute to the line at MWC's ever enjoyable toy review site: 

                     http://www.mwctoys.com/FEATURE_101104a.htm

                                                                              - - - Jeff

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

I think there was a guy who made a lot of these and called himself and his product "G.I APE".

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: were there 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

In a message dated 10/10/04 8:20:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

I don't think there were 12" POTA figures in the '70's. The Urko you probably saw was Hasbro's 12"ers in the late '90's. I think it was Ursus. I remember they had "autograph dolls" in the '70's, but just Galen and Zauis. Those were like stuffed plush. Hasbro did 12" Cornelius, Urko, Soldier Ape (available in black or red), Taylor, Zira (I have a rare pre-production mock up) and Zauis. - - - Jeff

I had a 12" POTA figure in the early seventies, but It was a G.I. Joe I made to look like Cornelius.

-- Rory

restrictions.

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-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 12:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

  That was Ape Joe. He might still be around. He had an incredible display at Starcon '96 and gave Virdon and Zauis figures to Ron Harper and Booth Colman, and a Cornelius to Bill Blake. - - - Jeff

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:34 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] 12" POTA figures in 1974/75 ?

I think there was a guy who made a lot of these and called himself and his product "G.I APE".

 

Michael

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From: Whitty, Michael

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 7:11 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] A Bathing Ape

A Bathing Ape

Wednesday March 19, 2003 - Contributed by:

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With BAPE hotel wishes, BAPE Café New York dreams, and a new London boutique finally a reality, A Bathing Ape creator Nigo is the next self-appointed fashion ambassador  for trendy Tokyoites. But is the rest of the planet ready for this simian-inspired lifestyle? Roland Kelts gets the answer from the man himself.

At 32, Nigo, designer, producer, drummer and DJ is still a bit of a boy-wonder. He's small, for one thing, in frame and in head-size, with a skullcap hiding his hairline and massive Ray-Bans encasing bulging wide eyes. He also slumps thoughtfully then jerks to attention, like a preoccupied teenager with a lot on the brain.

More boy-wonderish, however, is Nigo's hyperkinetic enthusiasm for his chosen obsession: transforming his homegrown street-wear business into a worldwide empire. "I don't consider my brand merely a clothing brand," he explains in a soft but certain voice. "BAPE is a lifestyle company, including music, hair, even food. Everything you need to live. Tokyo has all sorts of brands. They have a boom period, then they subside. I don't want my brand to be dragged down, so I need to diversify."

In the beginning

Nigo is the maestro behind BAPE ("BAPE-ee"), the clothing brand he launched 10 years ago, incorporating simian images and hip-hop-inspired fashions into the now-ubiquitous array of camouflage motifs that appear on clothes, accessories, furniture, action figures, buses, Pepsi cans-and plastic tape. Nigo expertly cultivated his "underground" reputation by applying an age-old marketing tactic: limited editions. His hard-to-find, carefully stitched duds draw famously long lines to BAPE's Tokyo outlets, which themselves are hard-to-find, tucked into cul-de-sacs and often bearing no shop signs other than "Nowhere Ltd.," the name of Nigo's corporation, minutely lettered somewhere on the glass. In Tokyo's maze of oversized and often meaningless neons, Nigo found his niche with "Nowhere."

"Originally I took an underground approach," he admits, "because in Japan, people want to believe that  something is special. But also," he adds, breaking into a conspiratorial smile, "I really didn't want a lot of people wearing my clothes."

The contradiction is revealing. Aside from the quality of the clothing (every BAPE T-shirt is expertly stitched, the ape-head logo often discreetly positioned on a small tag), what has made Nigo and his now diverse array of products such compelling presences has been their inaccessibility-especially in Japan, the land of convenience, where 24-hr everythings ensure that you can always get what you want.

But a decade is an eternity in the worlds of pop and commercial culture, let alone the youth-fashion business in fad-mad Tokyo. To avoid having his brand "dragged down," Nigo has  methodically planned his expansion to be all-inclusive, with  lifestyle-oriented largesse. BAPE now boasts 25 outlets, including a BAPE CUTS hair salon, BAPE café and gallery, a members-only store in Hong Kong, and a brand new boutique in central London, which opened in the Fall of 2002. There is also a record label,  APE SOUNDS, which grew out of his collaboration with England's Mo' Wax founder, James Lavelle, and BAPE TV (now broadcasting on Space Shower for two hours on the last Sunday of every month). On the horizon: a New York outlet and café next year, and someday, a Tokyo-based BAPE hotel.

"The hotel is my dream," he says. "It's a very difficult project, and it might stay a dream, but that's what I want."

Nigo limited

Diversification is textbook business management, of course, but Nigo's approach has been strikingly effective for one reason: the brainchild behind the most playful clothes on the planet has retained his rarefied underground status, despite marketing tie-ups with Pepsi, the odd TV commercial for Sony and World Wrestling Entertainment, and most recently, his bold reach across the dateline to appeal to Western consumers.

"I guess I'm not interested in [developing business in] Asia anymore. Ten or 15 years ago, the previous generation was happy just purchasing goods from the US or Europe. But my generation wants to be the creative center. We want to make what's new right here in Tokyo, and spread it to the world."

Nigo applies a draconian hand to the scales of supply and demand. Customers are asked to purchase only one piece of  a given product line, and only clothing that matches their  sizes. This is partly to limit black-market sales. But it also preserves the aura of mystique that shrouds both the products and their hitherto media-shy maker.

Nigo has sustained this aura ever since the launch of the first "BUSY WORKSHOP," a tiny storefront he opened in 1993. "I wasn't getting paid in those days. I just did it for fun." He was freshly out of Fashion College, where he studied fashion editing, not design, and earned his keep as a stylist and editor for Popeye magazine. "I still write today, because I enjoy it. But now I get to write about my own collections."

A true veteran of Ura-Harajuku, Nigo grows unusually nostalgic when discussing the old days. "I have really good memories. There weren't as many people in Harajuku back then. The  store would close at eight, and all my friends would come around just to hang out and talk. We can't do that anymore. It's too crowded."

Clearly, Nigo is one of the key reasons why today's Harajuku is less like a salon than an overstuffed supermarket for fashion victims. From the mid-'90s, Tokyo's hippest teens and 20-somethings began to go ape in every aspect, bearing Nigo's logos and motifs from head to toe, and toting his "BUSY WORKS" bags, incongruously featuring an ape head sandwiched between the circular signs for two of New York City's Westside subway lines, above the words, "Transit Authority."

"I love New York," he explains. "It's on a different scale from any other city in the world. It's an inspiration to me." Nigo is also one of the top three collectors of Star Wars memorabilia in the world ("just  the old stuff"), and, not surprisingly the fifth largest of Planet of the Apes mementos, and he visits toy shows in New York to get the goods onsite. Honmura-an, the SoHo soba  eatery (with another branch in Ogikubo), and the celebrity-riddled Mr. Chow's in midtown are his favorite restaurants-but he hopes to open his BAPE café in decidedly funkier Chelsea.

"I've listened to hip-hop since 1984, and I was  always drawn to the New York style. It's my favorite city."

With pals and fans like superstar DJs Cornelius and Takagi Kan, Undercover designer Jun Takahashi, England's Ian Brown and Bob Gillespie of Primal Scream, Australia's  Ben Lee, and New York's The Beastie Boys and graffiti genius Futura 2000 on his side, Nigo's rise has been as meteoric and influential as that of his adopted neighborhood. He debuted APE SOUNDS in 2000, with help from Lavelle and the Mo' Wax label, and serves as a producer/director for his CDs, amassing numerous influences and musical talents and blending Western hip-hop with an Asian collage-making sensibility. (A kind of "down-to-earth Beck," as one critic opined.)

"James is a good friend and he loves Japan," Nigo says of Lavelle. "He's a representative of London's new generation, the way I am a representative of Tokyo's."

Brand of nonsense

Nigo's opinion of the younger generation he claims to represent offers a rare insight into the philosophical paradox at the heart of his rising empire. The man who uses "BUSY  WORKS" as a label is, in fact, quite busy. He describes  himself as "a bit of a loner" who works all the time, though "my work doesn't feel like work to me. I feel like I have a lot of free time because I love what  I do."

when asked to comment on today's youths, the so-called "freeters" and the teeming masses of brand-crazed consumers who are his chief patrons, Nigo pauses and looks troubled, his brow lowering. "The freeters like freedom," he begins, "so they find whatever job they can get and move on. But there will be problems in the future. Even people around me now-there are many who haven't got it together, who can't get going job-wise. I'm pretty negative about the future for them."

The very phrase that constitutes Nigo's BAPE logo, "A Bathing Ape," has telling origins. "It's from  the Japanese expression: 'To bathe in lukewarm water' (Nuruma-yu-ni-tsukaru), and it's a comment on kids in Tokyo today. They're very shallow; they take things for granted, and they're not street savvy. It's sort of ironic for them to be wearing my clothing. I'm trying to show how they are incapable of being independent-minded. They have no plans, no goals, because they're just too comfortable. Like bathing in lukewarm water."

It's an irony apparently lost on those kids, who parade just beyond Nigo's back-alley offices and storefronts bearing his logos, motifs and labels while their creator buzzes with ideas and activity both here and abroad. To watch Nigo hovering over a conveyor belt of sneakers and shoes in one of his outlets, carefully positioning and repositioning the goods so that they gleam pristinely beneath soft-glow lamps, is to understand Nigo's admixture of lordly control and personal, hands-on engagement. Willy Wonka and the clothing factory.

"I have a very meticulous personality, and maybe that's partly a Japanese trait," he confesses, citing his mother and father, a nurse and a billboard sign-maker respectively, as major influences in the development of his character, and DJ/Head Porter designer Hiroshi Fujiwara, a generation older and one of Japan's earliest hip-hop jockeys, as his business model. (Nigo literally means "number two" in Japanese; a Harajuku shopkeeper coined the moniker when he noted the physical resemblance between the two designers 10 years ago.)

One final irony: Nigo's obsessive, detail-oriented solemnity results in clothes that are most notable for being...fun. BAPE wear features surprises to delight a childlike curiosity-untuck a pocket in a pair of jeans and voila!, there's the tiny ape-head on the inner lining. Hold a short-sleeve button-down shirt sideways and stare into the camouflage for a few minutes: "BAPE" is spelled out, embedded in the pattern like a Rorschach inkblot.

When I suggest that his clothes are like toys, Nigo nods approvingly. "You know, they had Rockabilly style in the '50's, Mods in the '60's and Punk in the '70s. Obviously, I haven't risen that high yet, but I'd like there to be a music-fashion connection: Ape-inspired themes, images and sounds for an entire generation."

Heady ambitions for a kid from rural Gunma, who has clearly made good on his own goals: he now sports a shiny silver Bentley in the drive of his three-story Sendagaya office complex, showrooms and studios. Amid the BAPE wear Nigo himself dons, there's one item that stands out: a kind of jagged, cartoonish lightning bolt design in the form of a pendant dangling from his neck and an imprint in the side of his skullcap.

"It's called 'the BAPE star,' and it's  my symbol-Nigo, aka BAPE star," says Nigo, smiling broadly: "I'm expressing myself with this. It's all about me."

Credit: Japan Today http://metropolis.japantoday.com/

 

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