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In a message dated 11/30/2004 4:09:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

put me on this list too!!!

 

DVD?  Is this the Cartoon?

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In a message dated 11/30/2004 10:16:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

NOTHING happened to him after the events of BENEATH... The world, and he along with it, was destroyed...

 

He seems to think that years passed. 

I don't think it was more than a month,

two at the outside.  You may wonder

what I base this theory on.  That's a

good question.  To which the answer

is . . . Body Mass!  That's right, body

mass.  Taylor rode into the Forbidden

Zone with enough food and water for

he and Nova for three days.  Sure the

Mutants feed him after his capture.

But even if he was captured on the

first day, that left Nova with a week's

rations.  She's not the stockiest girl

either.  Now you may think she was

wondering back and forth between

the jungle and the Zone until she ran

into Brent, but I don't buy it.  I think it

was just long enough for Milo to get the

ship dried out.  About three weeks.

 

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No but that's coming soon I think - Hunter, can you give us an update?

Michael

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Hunter has really put a lot of time and effort into this. I would
feel better if I could pull my weight in the production in some way,
but he says it is all taken care of. So, I think a HUGE thank you
is in order to Hunter and all of the others involved in this project.

THANK YOU TO HUNTER AND EVERYONE INVOLVED!!!!

We await further instruction.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> No but that's coming soon I think - Hunter, can you give us an
update?
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
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> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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> In a message dated 11/30/2004 4:09:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> apefan23@y... writes:
>
>
> put me on this list too!!!
>
>
> DVD? Is this the Cartoon?
>

> THANK YOU TO HUNTER AND EVERYONE INVOLVED!!!!

Thanks, Helen (and everyone else).

The DVDs are being mailed out today to the distributors. The
distribution is being headed up by Greg P. and Terry. One of them
will post in the coming days to solicit names and spell out the
methods for getting copies of the 'toons.

Screenshots have been posted in the "Photos->Return DVDs" section of
the pota group, if you're a member of that group too.

Hunter

Hi Hunter.

I am a member at the pota group and I have urged others here to join too
but (for whatever reasons) some people just won't join.

Would it be possible to load the stills here as well so that nobody gets
left out?

Again, much thanks to you and all others involved for making the effort
- can't wait to see it!

Michael

>
> ----------
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>
> THANK YOU TO HUNTER AND EVERYONE INVOLVED!!!!

Thanks, Helen (and everyone else).

The DVDs are being mailed out today to the distributors. The
distribution is being headed up by Greg P. and Terry. One of them
will post in the coming days to solicit names and spell out the
methods for getting copies of the 'toons.

Screenshots have been posted in the "Photos->Return DVDs" section of
the pota group, if you're a member of that group too.

Hunter

The screenshots from the "Return" DVDs can be found here:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/dvd/toons/toons-dvd.html"

If you're interested in seeing samples from the various sources I had
available to me (and just how lucky we were to get the final source
from Mike R.), you can view them here:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/dvd/toons/

Hunter

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.html.html In a message dated 12/1/2004 1:23:54 AM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I think it was just long enough for Milo to get the ship dried out.  About three weeks

Well, you do have to remember though, that Milo could have been working on the ship while (some of) the events of PLANET were occuring, so that buys him some time...<.html <.html

.html Not years, but perhaps months.
It must have take Taylor quite some time to sew up a new costume. :)  After all, he only had a loin cloth when he and Nova left on horseback at the end of PLANET and he had a new costume by the time he was in custody of the mutants (can't remember if he had the new threads when he went through the 'illusion' wall).
He and Nova could also have been wandering for some time despite the fact that they had little food when they departed. Who's to say what kind of terrain they traversed before they separated. They could have found food. It's just too foggy and area to pin down to any definitive timeline.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/30/2004 10:16:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

NOTHING happened to him after the events of BENEATH... The world, and he along with it, was destroyed...

 

He seems to think that years passed. 

I don't think it was more than a month,

two at the outside.  You may wonder

what I base this theory on.  That's a

good question.  To which the answer

is . . . Body Mass!  That's right, body

mass.  Taylor rode into the Forbidden

Zone with enough food and water for

he and Nova for three days.  Sure the

Mutants feed him after his capture.

But even if he was captured on the

first day, that left Nova with a week's

rations.  She's not the stockiest girl

either.  Now you may think she was

wondering back and forth between

the jungle and the Zone until she ran

into Brent, but I don't buy it.  I think it

was just long enough for Milo to get the

ship dried out.  About three weeks.

 

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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I'm pretty sure Taylor got his new clothes from the mutants. He
didn't have them when he went through the illusion wall.

I think three weeks is rather quick for an ape to raise Taylor's
ship, set it up on its land gear, dry it out and learn the basics of
operation (maybe it was all computer controlled with a touch of a
button - but which one?) and everything else that goes with it, but
cougar's theory of additional time borrowed from POTA, gives them
more time. But how much more?

It seems like more time to me, partly because of Zira's reaction when
she sees Brent- thinking he was Taylor. For some reason it seemed
like it was a few months since she last saw Taylor (at the end of
POTA). Plus, they had the heresy trial, they got married (probably
after, not during the trial), and they got enough trust back that
Zaius asks them to "be the guardians of the higher principals of
science..... if I fail to return...the whole future of our
civilization will be yours to preserve, or destroy".

Is there a consensus on what the time span is for POTA?
What about Beneath?

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:
>
Not years, but perhaps months.
It must have take Taylor quite some time to sew up a new costume. :)
After all, he only had a loin cloth when he and Nova left on
horseback at the end of PLANET and he had a new costume by the time
he was in custody of the mutants (can't remember if he had the new
threads when he went through the 'illusion' wall).
He and Nova could also have been wandering for some time despite the
fact that they had little food when they departed. Who's to say what
kind of terrain they traversed before they separated. They could have
found food. It's just too foggy and area to pin down to any
definitive timeline.

Wow, those look great! Hunter rules, Mike R's (whoever that is)
tapes rule, Greg P's tapes rule for coming in second...


So... where are the special features? Behind the scenes, bloopers,
interviews, DVD creation process... or is that in the special edition
version?

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> The screenshots from the "Return" DVDs can be found here:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/dvd/toons/toons-dvd.html"
>
> If you're interested in seeing samples from the various sources I
had
> available to me (and just how lucky we were to get the final source
> from Mike R.), you can view them here:
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/dvd/toons/
>
> Hunter

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I was going to mention that also, but I thought that I was the only one who may have picked up on her reaction.

Dario

John O. wrote:

... It seems like more time to me, partly because of Zira's reaction when
she sees Brent- thinking he was Taylor.  For some reason it seemed
like it was a few months since she last saw Taylor (at the end of
POTA).

John O.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:
>
Not years, but perhaps months.

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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> Wow, those look great! Hunter rules, Mike R's (whoever that is)
> tapes rule, Greg P's tapes rule for coming in second...

For a couple of months, Greg's tapes were the clear winner, though
they were edited and a bit too colorful (it looks like Sci-Fi (or
someone) tried to adjust the colors and got them too vivid).

But about the time I was going to start capturing, Mike came forward
with his tapes, and they were unedited, looked better, and didn't have
the Sci-Fo logo bug in the corner. And then they all sat for a few
months while I was Real Working.

> So... where are the special features? Behind the scenes, bloopers,
> interviews, DVD creation process... or is that in the special edition
> version?

8-)

Hunter

> Wow. These really look great. I'll definently be buying these when
> first available. How long have you been working on these?

Thanks. I start gathering the sources about a year ago. I did
various tests (capturing sources, comparing sources, comparing
bitrates, trying to gather info about the episodes, etc) over that
year. I actually managed to do all the capturing, re-encoding, audio
fixups, and DVD authoring in one seriously long weekend a few weeks
ago.

Hunter

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

>Neil, does it have a manufacturer's name on it?

The faces look great with the different expressions - something you
don't see much in an Apes figure.

-- No, no manufacturer's name, just (not surprisingly!) 'made in
China'

Neil

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.html Thanks for doing all this work Hunter. I never realized that there was so much to doing this, which makes all of us so much more appreciative.

Like the saying goes "Hunter Rocks!"

Also a thanks to all the other contributors involved that allowed Hunter to create this awesome DVD.
Actually seeing the "Return" toons someday is a big deal to me since I have never seem any of it. Just seeing all those stills and backgrounds in the last week or so has had me salivating.

Now I anxiously await the distribution details....

Dario

Hunter Goatley wrote:

Thanks.  I start gathering the sources about a year ago.  I did
various tests (capturing sources, comparing sources, comparing
bitrates, trying to gather info about the episodes, etc) over that
year.  I actually managed to do all the capturing, re-encoding, audio
fixups, and DVD authoring in one seriously long weekend a few weeks
ago.

Hunter

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG

group.You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Beast%20colour%
20tests/BtB%20colour%20test%20page%20%28with%20border%29.jpg

Just a word of explanation. I recently got a copy of Photoshop after
years of using Paint Shop Pro and have been getting used to using
it. The result of one of my trials was this coloured version of one
of the Beware the Beast pages. If you are wondering why you don't
quite recognise this page it is because it is one of the
new 'unseen' pages that we came up with to flesh out the story a
little.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:

>Thanks for doing all this work Hunter. I never realized that there

was so much to doing this, which makes all of us so much more
appreciative.

-- you can add me to the list of thankful people too, a huge effort
Hunter!

>Also a thanks to all the other contributors involved that allowed

Hunter to create this awesome DVD.

-- Yes ALL involved deserve our thanks, so thanks guys!

>Actually seeing the "Return" toons someday is a big deal to me

since I have never seem any of it. Just seeing all those stills and
backgrounds in the last week or so has had me salivating.

-- Having been lucky enough to recently see watchable copies
finally, I can just say you won't be dissapointed. Sure they have
their faults but for what they were and when they were made, they
are something special for us Apes fans. I am really getting excited
about seeing these superior copies as well.

Neil

So... the printed version will be in color?? I think I missed this
whole topic - must have been a while ago. I did stumble on the
colored "test" pages in the files(?) section, though. Did you do
those too?

The coloring is great. But... why does he have brown boots? They
look good.

About how long does it take to color a page (on average)?

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> Just a word of explanation. I recently got a copy of Photoshop
after
> years of using Paint Shop Pro and have been getting used to using
> it. The result of one of my trials was this coloured version of one
> of the Beware the Beast pages. If you are wondering why you don't
> quite recognise this page it is because it is one of the
> new 'unseen' pages that we came up with to flesh out the story a
> little.
>
> Neil

I totally agree with Neil, but don't get too excited about the
animation or you may be let down (probably one of the faults Neil's
talking about). However, I think most people agree that the story is
good. And it is POTA after all, and something every apes fan would
enjoy.

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:

> >Actually seeing the "Return" toons someday is a big deal to me
> since I have never seem any of it. Just seeing all those stills and
> backgrounds in the last week or so has had me salivating.
>
> -- Having been lucky enough to recently see watchable copies
> finally, I can just say you won't be dissapointed. Sure they have
> their faults but for what they were and when they were made, they
> are something special for us Apes fans. I am really getting excited
> about seeing these superior copies as well.
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

> So... the printed version will be in color?? I think I missed

this whole topic - must have been a while ago.

-- No the printed version will NOT be in colour. The test page I did
was for me to get used to Photoshop but I don't have time to colour
the whole thing!

>I did stumble on the colored "test" pages in the files(?) section,

though. Did you do those too?

-- No the other ones were done by Dave Ballard

> The coloring is great. But... why does he have brown boots? They

look good.

-- Ummm because they are covered in dust? Artistic licence? actually
if they were done the correct colour they would be too dark for the
whole picture. If you check out DB's colour pages you will notice he
has taken far more liberties with the colours. Sometimes you just
have to, to make it look better.

> About how long does it take to color a page (on average)?

-- Not sure exactly as I didn't time myself but my one took too
long! Like I said though I was just learning to use a new program to
do it but even if I was proficient with it it would take me way too
long to do a whole comic!

Neil

> I totally agree with Neil, but don't get too excited about the
> animation or you may be let down (probably one of the faults Neil's
> talking about).

I'm amazed at all the different style changes from scene to scene, or
from shot to shot in the same scene. Sometime I'll try to capture
some examples of what I'm talking about.

Hunter

That would be wonderful Hunter!

There are actually some REALLY good drawings there, hidden amongst the
general animation style (which was not too great - but not too bad!).

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Hunter Goatley[SMTP:GOATHUNTER@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 8:46:29 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: "Return" DVD screenshots
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
> I totally agree with Neil, but don't get too excited about the
> animation or you may be let down (probably one of the faults Neil's
> talking about).

I'm amazed at all the different style changes from scene to scene, or
from shot to shot in the same scene. Sometime I'll try to capture
some examples of what I'm talking about.

Hunter

What... the printed version is going to be in COLOR?!

Alright, alright... but if you do anymore "tests", please upload
them. Very cool.

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
> > So... the printed version will be in color?? I think I missed
> this whole topic - must have been a while ago.
>
> -- No the printed version will NOT be in colour. The test page I
did
> was for me to get used to Photoshop but I don't have time to colour
> the whole thing!
>
> Neil

that's me :)

Those tapes came from the late 1980's when WPIX showed RTTPOTA at 7:30 in
the morning on Saturday mornings.

Since tapes cost much more back then, I actually got up to tape it and cut
out the commercials. It's fortunate that WPIX used "bumpers" when the show
came back. The bumper would play just before the show came back after
commercials, it would be a fireworks scene and would have "And Now, Back To
Our Show" over it. Those bumpers insured that i would catch that second or
so that might be lost if I had waited to see the actual show before I
started recording again.

WPIX ran the body of the show uncut because on all but one show they totally
ommited the opening and closing credits. Of course, Hunter restored opening
and closing credits to all the shows for DVD.

Mike

>
>Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:21:46 -0600 (CST)
> From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: "Return" DVD screenshots
>
> > Wow, those look great! Hunter rules, Mike R's (whoever that is)
> > tapes rule, Greg P's tapes rule for coming in second...
>
>For a couple of months, Greg's tapes were the clear winner, though
>they were edited and a bit too colorful (it looks like Sci-Fi (or
>someone) tried to adjust the colors and got them too vivid).
>

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 6:29:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Hunter has really put a lot of time and effort into this.  I would
feel better if I could pull my weight in the production in some way,
but he says it is all taken care of. 

 

What?  Is this the cartoons?

And if so, what was the other thing?

 

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I'm certain Patrick will have something to say about this!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Dario[SMTP:EV001@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:20:23 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New Strip!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>

I was going to mention that also, but I thought that I was the only one
who
may have picked up on her reaction.

Dario

John O. wrote:


..... It seems like more time to me, partly because of Zira's reaction
when
she sees Brent- thinking he was Taylor. For some reason it seemed
like it was a few months since she last saw Taylor (at the end of
POTA).


John O.

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 10:23:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Well, you do have to remember though, that Milo could have been working on the ship while (some of) the events of PLANET were occurring, so that buys him some time...

Yeah there's another question.  How long did all that take.  It would have taken weeks if not months for Taylor's throat to heal enough for him to speak.  And he complained that Zira didn't come to visit him for a long time after he did.  So . . . How long does everyone think that was? 

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 11:19:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, ev001@... writes:

After all, he only had a loin cloth when he and Nova left on horseback at the end of PLANET and he had a new costume by the time he was in custody of the mutants (can't remember if he had the new threads when he went through the 'illusion' wall).

 

I thought they just gave him the standard Mutant Prison Uniform.

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 2:05:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

For some reason it seemed like it was a few months since she last saw Taylor (at the end of POTA).  Plus, they had the heresy trial, they got married (probably
after, not during the trial

 

Nova was a very skinny girl.  And Dodge said nothing will grow in the Forbidden Zone.  She would have been emaciated by the time she found Brent.  She would have needed more than a piece of fruit from Zira's kitchen if she'd been wondering around for months.  She did have Taylor's horse though.  So the only way it could have been months is if she was going back to the jungle and take provisions back with her into the Forbidden Zone.

 

 

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I'll go one further and say that unless Milo actually had some prior
knowledge of the ship, or A ship, many YEARS before Planet, he outdoes
Einstein in getting the ship up and running! ;)

Michael

> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:13:59 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New Strip!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/1/2004 10:23:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
mlccougar@... writes:

Well, you do have to remember though, that Milo could have been working
on
the ship while (some of) the events of PLANET were occurring, so that
buys
him some time...

Yeah there's another question. How long did all that take. It would
have
taken weeks if not months for Taylor's throat to heal enough for him to
speak. And he complained that Zira didn't come to visit him for a long
time
after he did. So . . . How long does everyone think that was?

Yes, it is the Cartoons.

I was offering a DVD of the Toons as a filler (for fans desperate to
hear the screeching flying dragon!!!) while Hunter was working on this
masterpiece.

Hunter, did you edit out that stupid bird? ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:06:23 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] THANK YOU, HUNTER ET AL
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
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In a message dated 12/1/2004 6:29:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

Hunter has really put a lot of time and effort into this. I would
feel better if I could pull my weight in the production in some way,
but he says it is all taken care of.


What? Is this the cartoons?
And if so, what was the other thing?

Hey All!

The new comic is heating up and we want feedback!

I will be choosing one contributor to receive a copy of the printed
comic - Beware the Beast (yes, the printed version has bonus pages
not available anywhere else!).

To win this prize, simply read the strip and comment/speculate!

Michael

Looks like you did a good job storing/preserving them, whether on
purpose or not.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike R" <mego73@h...> wrote:
> that's me :)
>
> Those tapes came from the late 1980's when WPIX showed RTTPOTA at
7:30 in
> the morning on Saturday mornings.
>
> Since tapes cost much more back then, I actually got up to tape it
and cut
> out the commercials. It's fortunate that WPIX used "bumpers" when
the show
> came back. The bumper would play just before the show came back
after
> commercials, it would be a fireworks scene and would have "And
Now, Back To
> Our Show" over it. Those bumpers insured that i would catch that
second or
> so that might be lost if I had waited to see the actual show
before I
> started recording again.
>
> WPIX ran the body of the show uncut because on all but one show
they totally
> ommited the opening and closing credits. Of course, Hunter
restored opening
> and closing credits to all the shows for DVD.
>
> Mike
> >

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 6:44:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

The new comic is heating up and we want feedback!

 

It's great, but too slow.

Draw faster!  I want to

print out a whole page.

 

 

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Some estimates/theories on this would be very interesting...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 10:23:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> mlccougar@a... writes:
>
> Well, you do have to remember though, that Milo could have been
working on
> the ship while (some of) the events of PLANET were occurring, so
that buys him
> some time...
>
>
> Yeah there's another question. How long did all that take. It
would have
> taken weeks if not months for Taylor's throat to heal enough for
him to speak.
> And he complained that Zira didn't come to visit him for a long
time after
> he did. So . . . How long does everyone think that was?

The Comic strip has been great. I really liked the MONKEES record in
the time capsule. As a Record collector myself, I thought that was a
nice touch. I agree that the artwork is awesome but I'd love to get a
full page worth of story to try and hook some of my friends at the
local comic book store who aren't the biggest APES fans, but all
really liked Beware the Beast from a comic fan's view. I am looking
foward to the gorilla's using the time capsule findings as a reason
for an all out war against the human animals. It opens a door for
some real violent action on a level far beyond what Beast could offer
with just one gorilla against the humans. Imagine the all out assault
that could happen if the gorillas play their cards right. If one ape
hunting a nest of humans can deliver the amount of action Beast did.
Can you see the possiblities in this story? Please don't
dissapoint.... I know you won't.

I don't post here all that much (if at all). I'm pretty content to
read what others are saying and I enjoy that very much.
But I have to say that what Hunter has done here is just a revelation.

I'm a long time POTA fan (have all the comics,paperbacks etc) but
have never seen the animated series. Been pretty tempted to pick up
VHS copies thru ebay but have always held off hoping for officially
released versions (hey, it finally happened with the TV series which
I absolutely love).
Now because of Hunter's hard work I know that very soon I will
finally be able to see the animated POTA series and I thank him
dearly for this gift.

Thank you Hunter. You have provided a great service to POTA fans.

(PS. Is there going to be artwork available to download for our DVD
cases?)

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> Thank you Hunter. You have provided a great service to POTA fans.

My pleasure. Besides, I did this for purely selfish reasons. I'd
never seen the 'toons before, either! 8-)

> (PS. Is there going to be artwork available to download for our DVD
> cases?)

Yes, there will probably be a few to choose from.

Hunter

Zira's reaction, I think, is indicative of a few things. Firstly, she
is different from "most apes" in that SHE does NOT think that "all
men look alike". She recognizes Nova, as does Cornelius, just as
easily as we fans can distinguish Kim Hunter-as-Zira out of a crowd
of chimpanzees dressed and made-up similarly.

But the man who is WITH Nova does NOT look like Taylor, whom she
would recognize -- after all, it is SHE who gives him the
name "Bright Eyes", based on what must have been a distinguishing
characteristic of his. But, Zira wonders, Nova was with TAYLOR, and
not some other human -- and Taylor was wearing nothing but a
loincloth; yet here's this OTHER human, with facial hair and
wearing "strange clothing"...

Zira COULD have asked, "Who the hell are YOU???", but she wonders
somehow if her eyes are deceiving her. COULD it be Taylor, despite
his different appearance? So, she asks if he is "Taylor??!", probably
knowing in her heart that he is NOT Taylor.

When Brent SPEAKS in reply, it is a shock to Zira and Cornelius, who
have heard only ONE human ever speak and -- up until then -- believed
that humans were incapable of speech. Zira responds to Brent's
speaking by exclaiming, "You... spoke!" Cornelius adds, "That's
impossible," despite the fact that he KNEW Taylor could speak, and he
never saw Taylor wearing anything other than a ratty old blanket and
loincloth.

"In a whole lifetime devoted to the scientific study of humans, I've
only found one other who could speak--" Zira tells this other talking
human.

In regards to Brent's facial hair, I'm sure that Zira could guess
that Taylor -- who had shaved off his beard before Zaius showed up at
the Cave site -- would eventually have grown it back, necessitating
another shave. So this BEARDED man COULD be Taylor, if that's ALL
that differentiated him from her last 'image' of Taylor.

But... Brent's wearing his astronaut duds -- clothing that is
NOT "fit for humans", and which makes him stand out like a sore
thumb. I think it's primarily his CLOTHING that makes her doubt that
he's 'Taylor' -- the tone of her voice suggests that she knows he
isn't Taylor... but who the hell else WOULD it be? Nova was with
Taylor when they parted at the Cave site; why would Nova be with some
OTHER human, especially since she was WITH Taylor because he had
purposely insisted that Lucius bring her with him during their escape
from the lab.

Taylor HAD mentioned "two companions" who had been with him prior to
his capture, but ONE of 'em -- Dodge -- he mentions had been "killed
in the hunt", and she KNOWS that the other man -- Landon -- was
subjected to a prefrontal lobotomy by Zaius' "fine veterinary
surgeons".

So... Who the hell is THIS guy??! she wonders. Despite his physical
dissimilarities, COULD it be Taylor?

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> I'll go one further and say that unless Milo actually had some

prior knowledge of the ship, or A ship, many YEARS before Planet, he
outdoes Einstein in getting the ship up and running! ;)

>
> Michael
> > From: LordTZer0@A...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@A...]
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 10:23:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> mlccougar@a... writes:
>
> Well, you do have to remember though, that Milo could have been

working on the ship while (some of) the events of PLANET were
occurring, so that buys him some time...

>
> Yeah there's another question. How long did all that take. It

would have taken weeks if not months for Taylor's throat to heal
enough for him to speak. And he complained that Zira didn't come to
visit him for a long time after he did. So . . . How long does
everyone think that was?
------------------------------------------------------------------
*** Between the time when Taylor recovered his voice -- in Zira's
presence -- and the time when he next got to see her, right before
the beginning of the Hearing, must have been a period of several
weeks, since he says, "It's been WEEKS! Why didn't you come see me?"

As for how long it took for Taylor's throat wound to heal, it's open
to interpretation. It may be that the interim between the blood-
transfusion scene and the scene where Zaius makes his first
appearance was a period of several days, at least. It is DURING that
interim when Zaius is -- offscreen -- making the acquaintance of a
talking human named Landon, who had NOT been shot in the throat,
remember. Why does Zaius show up at Zira's lab in that scene? I think
it's because he wonders if any of the new humans who might be there
are "mutants" like Landon. The next scene, after Zira had had Nova
put in Taylor's cage with him, as a "present", Zira tells Cornelius
about how "Something's BOTHERING him [Zaius]; he's been prying around
the lab for two days" [if I remember the dialogue aright; I'm pretty
sure she said "two days", but if I'm remembering it wrong, please
chime in].
It is later in that day when Zira discovers that Taylor can WRITE,
and has him brought to Cornelius' office, etc. I suspect that it is
the very NEXT day, after Zaius has seen the paper airplane, that the
gorilla lieutenant shows up at the lab telling Julius to prep Taylor
for surgery -- gelding, by order of Zaius who, of course, had seen a
portion of Taylor's writing in the sand prior to scratching it out
with his cane.

As for Milo and the "ESCAPE" ship, well, there are a whole host of
reasons why it need not have taken him all that long to find it.
After all, it is NOT the same ship that we saw sink in Dead Lake
in "PLANET" -- it was a 3-seater with a portside cabin hatch, rather
than the 4-seater with NO cabin hatch that sank. Milo didn't have to
dredge up a ship from the bottom of a lake, because the ship he DID
find was the ONLY one of these ANSA ships that landed properly: on
its tripodal landing struts, ready to blast off again with the press
of a button to initiate a pre-programmed launch sequence.

Think a minute, folks. Taylor's ship could not have flown again, due
(in part) to the fact that both its PRIMARY power AND its auxiliary
power supplies were totally used up. When the interior lights wink
out, Landon says, "It's no use -- the power's gone!" He's talking
about the BACK-UP power, since Taylor previously ordered Dodge
to "Blow the hatch, before we lose AUXILIARY power!" They'd already
used up their PRIMARY power, and were now running on their back-
up/emergency/auxiliary power.

Brent's ship, too, could not take off again. The ship's systems were
under the purview of a COMPUTER, and he tells his 'Skipper' that "our
computer's shot... we're lucky to be alive". With THAT ship unable to
ever fly again, that means that the ship Milo finds is A THIRD SHIP,
flown down to the surface by neither Brent nor Taylor, yet is
associated with Taylor.

You guessed it: it came from Taylor's command ship, being the third
shuttlecraft that travelled through Space with it, just as Ulysse
Merou uses the 2nd of three shuttles from Antelle's ship to descend
to Orly airport at the end of Boulle's novel -- a ship he must have
used to re-ascend again, of course, back up to the ship where he and
his wife and son could escape from a planet that had gone ape.

Milo didn't have to dredge a ship up from the bottom of a lake, or
repair a damaged one. He found a ship that somebody had landed
safely, and he found it somewhere along the shoreline of the ocean.
As Cornelius says, Milo found it "on our seaboard", and when
Cornelius refers to the Ocean, he calls it the "sea" -- as opposed to
the "lake"/"Dead Lake" where Taylor told him HIS ship had landed and
sank. Zaius may refer to Dead Lake as "an inland sea", but Cornelius
never does.

I submit that the ANSA astronauts who landed that 3rd ship -- prior
to leaving it on its own on the shoreline, while they went to look
for Taylor/Brent/whomever -- left their ship with a new launch
sequence pre-programmed into its flight computer. That way, if there
were some unknown danger they might face, they could high-tail it
back to their ship, get in quick, and only have to press the "go"
button to blast off back to their orbiting command ship.

But they never do get back to their ship -- or, if they do, they find
out that somebody ELSE got to it and pressed the "go" button, leaving
them stranded... and doomed when the Bomb goes BOOM.

Patrick

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:08:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

I thought they just gave him the standard Mutant Prison Uniform.

They did...

 

I know...But I didn't want to say,

 

He didn't make his own clothes.  

Taylor's just his name, not his occupation. 

He's not freakin' Gandhi! 

 

That would have been rude. 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:08:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, Lawsoninca@... writes:

Now because of Hunter's hard work I know that very soon I will
finally be able to see the animated POTA series and I thank him
dearly for this gift.

 

It will be cool to see the old toons again.

My video is all but unwatchable.  But

I have to warn the people who haven't

seen them before, it's not exactly

Spirited Away here.  More on par with

The Fantastic Four or Space Ghost.

But then the TV series wasn't quite

an Emmy winner either.  So it may

be more fun for those with a sense

of nostalgia for them.  But like many

POTA fans its something of a compulsion

rather than a quest for entertainment.

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2004 10:13:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

My pleasure.  Besides, I did this for purely selfish reasons.  I'd
never seen the 'toons before, either! 8-)

 

What would those who have seen them compare them to?

Spiderman?

The Herculoids?

 

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T,

How could you compare them to ANYTHING!??

There is only ONE! ;)

That said, I really don't know WHAT to compare it to....maybe the
Star Trek toons?

I'll never forget the thrill I got when this came on the TV one
afternoon, after school.

I think my bus would get me home at about 3:30 and that's what time
it started so I often missed the titles - but having something else
POTA to WATCH - oh man, that was cool!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 10:13:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> goathunter@g... writes:
>
> My pleasure. Besides, I did this for purely selfish reasons.
I'd
> never seen the 'toons before, either! 8-)
>
>
>
>
> What would those who have seen them compare them to?
> Spiderman?
> The Herculoids?

Regardless of specifics, Dario has a really good point about it
being rather confusing - how much time has passed.

He has also, like Greg and Patrick and a few others, actually given
me some great ideas for a forthcoming strip.

So I'd say there was a lot of POSITIVE stuff to comment on regarding
what he said too, eh?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:08:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> mlccougar@a... writes:
>
>
> I thought they just gave him the standard Mutant Prison Uniform.
>
>
>
> They did...
>
>
>
> I know...But I didn't want to say,
>
> He didn't make his own clothes.
> Taylor's just his name, not his occupation.
> He's not freakin' Gandhi!
>
> That would have been rude.

So YOU'RE the guy with the mother ship theory. I've heard it
mentioned here before, but it was good to get the whole story. This
will take some time to digest (and try to see if there are any holes
in it, though you've seemed to hit on some of the finer points).

Thanks,
John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> > You guessed it: it came from Taylor's command ship, being the

third

> shuttlecraft that travelled through Space with it, just as Ulysse
> Merou uses the 2nd of three shuttles from Antelle's ship to

descend

> to Orly airport at the end of Boulle's novel -- > Patrick

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In a message dated 12/2/2004 2:22:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

That said, I really don't know WHAT to compare it to....maybe the
Star Trek toons?

 

Yeah, I was going to say the Trek Toons, except for one thing.

They had the real actors voices.  So it's more like Jackie Chan.

 

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I for one LOVE this new strip....Foster's drawings are
excellent and the Whitster's story is getting
exciting.......I want volumes of this stuff guys....so
just quit your regular jobs and do nothing but work on
Apes comics for the rest of your days....ok?

Tim

Yeah, I'm the guy. But you haven't yet gotten "the whole story" --
just some of the major points. Thus, because I dig yakkin' about it,
I shall now indulge myself and spout off some more about my infamous
MotherShipTheory (or, from herein, "MST", not to be confused with
Mystery Science Theater!).

When they made the 1st movie, they knew they wouldn't need to design
the aft part of Taylor's ship, since it would be unseen, underwater.
Thus, it could be inferred that in the undescribed parts of the ship
behind that "back wall", all the other necessary things would be
included... such as a Toilet/Shower/"Head", a Kitchen/Fridge-
Freezer/"Mess", and a cargo hold wherein they would have stored away
all the items their crewmembers would need upon arrival at their
destination. Not to mention the stuff they would eat/drink during the
six months they spent awake prior to their "long sleep".

But, when "BENEATH" came out, Dehn (and the production designers)
changed some things. First off, we get to see the ENTIRE ship Brent
landed in, and it obviously ain't big enough to have a "Head" or
a "Mess" or a cargo hold. What we see in its entirety in the 2nd film
is a shuttlecraft -- a vehicle that is predominantly used to ferry
personnel (and minimal cargo) from an orbiting ship to the surface of
a planet (and back again). Just as the Lunar Lander had "legs" on
which to "stand" (after detaching from the Lunar Orbiter, which
circled the Moon while Armstrong and Aldrin descended to the lunar
surface), so too does the Skipper/Brent ship have "legs" on which
to "stand" after landing. It was obviously designed to land
vertically, with its nosecone pointed straight up in the air. And,
somehow, this shuttlecraft was equipped with an engine which could
get it back up into space -- it didn't require any humongous Saturn
booster rockets, like the Apollo Mission payloads did, or the current
Space Shuttle does. We know THIS is true, because the Ape-onauts were
able to launch the ship Milo found, and get it into orbit.

Taylor's mission lasted, we are told, a total of 18 months (the first
6 months they spent awake, from ~ 15 January 1972 [SHIP-TIME, 'ST']
until 15 July 1972 [ST], and the last 12 months -- a period of time
Taylor refers to as "nearly a year" in reference to Stewart's time of
death -- from 15 July 1972 to mid-July 1973 [ST, of course].

If Brent and 'Skipper' had been sent out in their ship -- blasting
off from Cape Kennedy weeks or months after Taylor's departure -- in
order to follow Taylor's ship across hundreds of lightyears of space,
where the hell did they keep all their food? Did they blast off, go
into hibernation right away, and wake up ONLY just before they did
their re-entry burn to land, so that they didn't need all the space
for a Head, a Mess, and cargo to supply them for the same 18 months
and more?

It just didn't make sense. Dehn had concocted an unlikely scenario in
order to get around Heston's unwillingness to participate in the
project in any but the most minimal of ways. They needed another
protagonist, an astronaut like Taylor, so they had to cook up this
wild plot idea.

On the face of it, Dehn's scenario -- which is a departure from the
one put forth in the Serling/Wilson original -- is hopelessly at odds
not only with the 1st film's scenario, but with basic logic.

So... enter me, years after the fact, applying my own brand of logic
so as to attempt to re-interpret the on-screen details given in the
movies (and TV episodes) in such a way as to MAKE those details make
actual sense. And, my critics notwithstanding, I think I've been able
to do it. I'll be the first to admit that my MST is NOT what the
screenwriters intended: they made mistakes -- "flubs" -- and my
scenario is an attempt to "unflub" those mistakes... to make those
details into facts after-the-fact. In order to unflub the flubs, I
had to get inventive; so, I invented a "mothership" or Command ship.

In a way, I'm restoring to the POTA film/tv saga an element that had
been present in Boulle's original novel. In his book, the ship that
traversed the hundreds of lightyears to Betelgeuse remained in orbit
around Soror, and the 3 men (with their pet chimp Hector) descended
to the surface in a smaller vessel called, in the French text, "une
chaloupe" (which Xan Fielding translated as "launch", meaning a type
of boat which detaches from the primary vessel -- as in "KING KONG",
when they use a ship to traverse the ocean, yet the landing party
goes from their anchored ship to Skull Island in a smaller boat,
a "launch"). Given the sci-fi trappings, the word "chaloupe" should
probably be re-translated "shuttlecraft".

It makes sense. In virtually every major SF film, when characters
land on a planet they do so in SMALLER vehicles, detaching from
larger "mother"-ships. Think of the "drop ship" that takes Ripley and
the Space Marines down to the surface of the alien-ridden planet from
the orbiting battleship Sulaco. Or the smaller ship in "ALIEN" that
took the landing party down before, from the Nostromo -- as well as
the final shuttle vehicle that Ripley escapes the about-to-detonate
Nostromo in.

Or the Enterprise, which has smaller shuttlecraft in its secondary
hull. I'm not saying that my hypothetical ANSA mothership is anywhere
near as big as Kirk's ship, nor that it has a complement of over 400
officers-and-crew; but Taylor had to have been in command of a bigger
ship, despite the fact that we see him only present in the one
shuttle he (and his primary crew) hibernated in.

I imagine a Command ship about the size of the Goodyear Blimp, inside
of which there is ample room for years' worth of food supplies and
water (etc) for the use of Taylor's mission to their destination 320
lightyears away in Orion. They were sent on a mission of
colonization; Stewart was "to be the 'new Eve'... with [Taylor's and
Landon's and Dodge's] hot-and-eager help" -- she was to be the mother
of the children of all three of 'em! Those children would interbreed,
possibly with both siblings and (if female) with either/both of the
adult astronauts who weren't their father. I.e.: if Taylor begat a
daughter on Stewart, that daughter could grow up to be a potential
mate with Landon, that sort of thing.

Taylor's dialogue doesn't make any sense other than that: they were
sent out to that "unnamed planet" in order to breed more humans --
more American humans -- to "found a colony" on a world other than
their homeworld, Earth. They didn't get "lost in space" in some sort
of "space-storm", as Dehn seems to imply with his line about
a "Hasslein Curve". Six months in, Taylor calmly gives a final report
on his mission's progress, reiterating that they are now on "full
automatic, in the hands of the computers". Does Taylor indicate that
they are "lost" in any way? No -- in fact, he implies the opposite,
when he says that it is his "final report UNTIL WE REACH TOUCHDOWN".
He must have fully expected his ship to "touch down" on the surface
of their destination planet, or his line doesn't make any sense.

Dehn conveniently ignored this, and implied that the Mission Control
dudes somehow lost track of Taylor's ship -- that it somehow
disappeared, on a known trajectory and at (presumably) a known rate
of speed. Thus, they could send out a 2nd ship "following Taylor's
trajectory" (at a faster velocity?) and re-establish contact with it.

Utter nonsense! Six months into his voyage, Taylor calmly looks over
at the chronometer console and deduces that "according to Dr.
Hasslein's theory of TIME IN A VEHICLE TRAVELLING NEARLY THE SPEED OF
LIGHT, the Earth has aged nearly SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS since we left
it, while we've aged hardly at all". Taylor's ship was designed to
accelerate (somehow) to a velocity ALMOST that of light, so that Time
Dilation effects would ensue. Their 'EARTH-TIME' clock had to have
been programmed to display the date [Month-Day-Year, as 11-25-3978]
that Hasslein's Theory dictates, based on the known 'SHIP-TIME' date
and the known near-light velocity of the ship. Clocks don't
automatically "know" the time: they're programmed to display a number
based on a set of criteria. Taylor's ship's computer must know the
MASS of the ship (and its fuel), the rate at which FUEL-MASS is being
depleted (which serves to steadily decrease the TOTAL MASS of the
ship-plus-fuel), and the velocity of the ship as a percentage of
lightspeed, so that the rate of Time Dilation can be figured out, in
order to adjust the rate-of-timeflow for the EARTH-TIME clock.

The overall time disparity is on the order of 1-to-1337.9 or so.
There are approximately 24,082 months, from mid-January 1972 (Launch
Date) and 11-25-3978 (the final EARTH-TIME reading Taylor sees). The
amount of SHIP-TIME was 18 months, so 24,082 divided by 18 gives us
1337.888888...., which rounds up to about 1337.9. For every moment of
time experienced by the astronauts ("our time" or SHIP-TIME), on
average 1337.9 moments of time transpire back on Earth. That rate of
Time Dilation can increase or decrease -- fluctuate -- depending on a
variety of factors, but the AVERAGE (mean) rate of Time Dilation is
1337.9-to-1 (ET:ST). Hasslein predicted this, and the ships were
equipped with DUAL clocks so as to depict this near-light phenomenon
of Time Dilation. "Time bends... space is boundless" Taylor says.

So... if it is utter nonsense for the planet Earth to have sent
Skipper and Brent after Taylor, how might I "re-interpret" the on-
screen details? Brent tells the Mutants that he was "sent" there, "on
a rescue mission... to find a missing astronaut" (Taylor). They know
when he's lying, so he must be telling them the truth here (Mr. Negro
didn't zap him with illusory pain).

WHO could have sent Skipper/Brent on such a rescue mission, then?

Simple: the other astronauts who went out to the Orion destination
along with Taylor/Dodge/Landon/Stewart, who hibernated away either in
the "BENEATH" ship's hibernacula or in facilities on their Command
ship, or probably both.

Somehow, the mission got sent back to planet Earth -- without Brent
or Skipper knowing this (probably due to them being in hibernation
during the return-to-Earth). Brent believes he's on an alien world --
that he's NOT on Earth -- since he talks with his now-blind Skipper:

Skipper: "God! if I could only see the sun...!"
Brent: "It's up there... you can feel it."
Skipper: "Yes... but which sun?"
Brent: "I don't know; our computer's shot. We're lucky to be alive."

Brent doesn't know "which sun" it is shining down on them because he
is under the mistaken impression that they are LIGHTYEARS away from
the Sol system. In fact, if there is a direct correlation between the
EARTH-TIME reading and the DISTANCE travelled, then Brent might very
well believe that they landed on a planet ALMOST all the way to their
destination, but NOT QUITE THERE.

Taylor "didn't have time to read the tapes" (as Landon says), but
he's confident that they indeed arrived at their destination -- when
Landon asks "Well... where are we? D'you have any notion, skipper?"
he answers: "We're some 320 lightyears from Earth on an unnamed
planet in orbit around a star in the constellation of Orion."

How could he possibly be so sure of this? The ONLY way -- due to his
not having actually "read the tapes" -- is because he saw the EARTH-
TIME clock reading "11-25-3978"... and he interprets that date as
meaning they arrived at their destination. He must have known, prior
to their launch from Cape Kennedy, that they would travel 320
lightyears away and arrive there in 18 months of SHIP-TIME, which
would be equivalent to 24,082 months of EARTH-TIME (or, 2006 years
and 10 months or so). He believed that, if all went well, they would
wake up at their destination in the year 3978. If 2,006 years of
EARTH-TIME is equivalent to 320 lightyears of distance, then that
means they could expect to travel a single lightyear in 6.27 days of
EARTH-TIME (equivalent to 6 minutes and 45 seconds of SHIP-TIME), on
average.

Taylor sees "3978" and believes they made it to their pre-programmed
destination. But Brent took an EARTH-TIME reading just before doing
the re-entry burn... and it did NOT say "3978". Instead, it
read "3955" -- and if he knew/believed that it SHOULD have
read "3978" if they had made it all the way 320 lightyears out, then
the "3955" reading must mean that they only made it MOST of the way
there, but not ALL the way there. Numerically, this can be
represented by the simplified equation:

(3955 - 1972) / (3978 - 1972) = (1983) / (2006) = 0.9885344

They made it (Brent would think) only 98.85344% of the way. They
didn't travel the full 320 lightyears, but only 98.85% of that,
equivalent to 316.333 lightyears. They're 3 and 2/3rds lightyears
short of the mark! Their EARTH-TIME clock SHOULD read "3978", but
Brent saw it reading "3955", which indicates a distance travelled of
only 316.333 lightyears. Brent knew (probably) "which sun" WOULD have
been warming his Skipper's face, IF they had made it to a place where
the EARTH-TIME date would read "3978"... but the "3955" reading would
make him think that they landed on a planet orbiting a star 3.666
lightyears away from their destination, along the trajectory from the
Sol system to that Orion destination. It's almost like driving from
Seattle to Los Angeles -- and eyeing the odometer and clock all the
way -- but winding up in San Francisco, having run out of gas, with
the odometer reading too few miles on it.

But Brent, of course, doesn't know that somehow they ALL (he and his
Skipper, AND Taylor and his shuttle-crew, AND the personnel up in the
orbiting Command ship) were whizzed back to Earth. My scenario
explains how those EARTH-TIME dates could display discordant times
(3978-vs-3955), yet both be significant. There's a reason Taylor's
EARTH-TIME clock reads the "incorrect" date [3978], rather than the
true date [3955], but that's because Taylor's shuttle-computer was
unaware that during their return-to-Earth jump through hyperspace
they travelled backwards-through-Time...

I'll go into more of this next time. Many here have heard it before,
but for those who haven't (and are too lazy to surf the archived
messages at the old POTA group, or my Phenomenon site, etc) I'll go
into some more particulars concerning this infamous MST.

Patrick


=================================================================

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> So YOU'RE the guy with the mother ship theory. I've heard it
mentioned here before, but it was good to get the whole story. This
will take some time to digest (and try to see if there are any holes
in it, though you've seemed to hit on some of the finer points).
>
> Thanks,
> John O.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> You guessed it: it came from Taylor's command ship, being the third
shuttlecraft that travelled through Space with it, just as Ulysse
Merou uses the 2nd of three shuttles from Antelle's ship to descend
to Orly airport at the end of Boulle's novel -- > Patrick

.html <.html

Love the drawings of Ape City. I could look at that
all day. This is better than the Curtis mag. Neil F.
is one of the best comic artists out there. He needs
to be drawing for a professional publisher. The glyphs
on the gorilla door are fantastic.

Don't get burned out.

CH

<LordTZer0@...> wrote:

>
> What would those who have seen them compare them to?
> Spiderman?
> The Herculoids?

Thundarr the Barbarian!

Alan

Don't know if any of our Stateside members attend sci-fi cons at all, but I
noticed that William Windom will be appearing at Chiller in January and
William Smith will be appearing at Cinema Wasteland in April, for anyone
interested.

Alan

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> Don't know if any of our Stateside members attend
> sci-fi cons at all, but I
> noticed that William Windom will be appearing at
> Chiller in January and
> William Smith will be appearing at Cinema Wasteland
> in April, for anyone
> interested.
>
> Alan
>
>

They just keep getting better! I enjoy the sub-stories that are
being created; first with "Beware The Beast" , and now with "Within
The POTA". The artwork and plots follow in detail to the original
Apes theme. I for one, anticipate each new addition to the new comic
strip. Thanks guys!

Awsome!

Moe

Who's William Windom?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> Who's William Smith?
>
> --- Alan Maxwell <alan@a...>
> wrote:
>
> > Don't know if any of our Stateside members attend
> > sci-fi cons at all, but I
> > noticed that William Windom will be appearing at
> > Chiller in January and
> > William Smith will be appearing at Cinema Wasteland
> > in April, for anyone
> > interested.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
>
>
>

> Who's William Windom?

For shame! He was the President in "Escape". He was also Steve
Martin's boss in the seasonal "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"---a
minor, but hilarious, role.

Hunter

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> Who's William Smith?

-- He's the actor who played Tolar in the TV episode 'The
Gladiators' (He was also Conan's Father in Conan the Barbarian, thus
linking Arnie with POTA!)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> looks very interestng, though i could only see the top of the

package. something wrong with my connection.

-- Nothing wrong with your connection rob/ron I could only fit the
top part of the packaging on the scanner without ripping the figure
off the backing card!

> also, were these purchased in the states?

-- No they were purchased in sunny Queensland, Australia

Neil

It's a deal!

Send oodles of cash!

Michael (and Neil, I'm SURE!)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> I for one LOVE this new strip....Foster's drawings are
> excellent and the Whitster's story is getting
> exciting.......I want volumes of this stuff guys....so
> just quit your regular jobs and do nothing but work on
> Apes comics for the rest of your days....ok?
>
> Tim

Thanks Elaine!

Chris Hight, when are you sculpting a "Garvon" face? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I just love this strip, the drawing has me speechless. As usual I
first just
> look at the artwork and then I read it again to follow the story.
I am a big
> Monkees fan(saw them at the Cape Cod melody tent a few years ago)
and laughed
> for a week after seeing one of their albums discovered by an ape.
Very creative
> and imaginative.
>
> I like the story and the book that was found by the archeologist
showing apes
> possibly becoming extinct. This is a can of worms big time for the
apes. Some
> apes such as the security chief will be threatened by this and use
this
> against humans. Other apes may see it as knowledge that needs to
be explored and
> evaluated.
>
> I love the characters so of course I want action figures of them
all! Elaine

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>It's a deal! Send oodles of cash!

-- That sounds like a good idea, they really do deserve it ;-)

Seriously though, thanks for all the nice comments everyone it
really does inspire me to draw more strips!
As a thank you I have just uploaded the latest chapter with the next
to follow soon.

Neil

I had a feeling I was going to get blasted on that one.
Thanks, Hunter.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> > Who's William Windom?
>
> For shame! He was the President in "Escape". He was also Steve
> Martin's boss in the seasonal "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"---a
> minor, but hilarious, role.
>
> Hunter

.html William (Bill) Windom played the president in "ESCAPE"

Dario

John O. wrote:

Who's William Windom?

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

<.html

If I can get some detailed drawings of all sides of
the head and a couple of buyers to spread the costs I
will gladly make your Garvin character into a 12 inch
figure. It can't be any harder than the Gideon
character. Could Neil put anymore detail in that danm
gorilla?

What is that crazy ape talking about??

You guys certainly keep the cliff-hanging/anticipation going from
strip to strip.

Neil, the way you draw the city buildings is great, inside and out.
Did you make a map of the town so you know what it will look like
from each angle, or are you winging it? You have a model at home,
don't you? Since you have an artistic/creative license, what exactly
is in that short tower above the doorway with all the windows? I've
always wondered that.

Glass: I noticed the glass on the windows- was there glass in POTA?
This is a perfect opportunity for someone to swoop down and attack me
for my ignorance (like Hunter did just moments ago -j/k). Also, I
noticed the secretary doesn't have glass in her window, so when it
rains, she's going to get all wet.

Has this been determined to be in the movie timeline? I think it is/
agree it is because of the ape's neck hair, no markings on the
soldier's uniform (was Ursus called "Chief of security"?)

Speculation (it seems required): I noticed an '11' in the upper right
of the last panel, and there is a 'to be continued...' at the bottom,
therefore, I speculate that there will be another strip, and it will
be number 12! Pretty good, huh?

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> >It's a deal! Send oodles of cash!
>
> -- That sounds like a good idea, they really do deserve it ;-)
>
> Seriously though, thanks for all the nice comments everyone it
> really does inspire me to draw more strips!
> As a thank you I have just uploaded the latest chapter with the
next
> to follow soon.
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

>Did you make a map of the town so you know what it will look like

from each angle, or are you winging it?

-- Just winging it!

>You have a model at home, don't you?

-- Oh, how I wish I did!

>Since you have an artistic/creative license, what exactly is in

that short tower above the doorway with all the windows? I've
always wondered that.

-- to tell the truth I don't really know, I never gave it that much
thought. Maybe someone can come up with an idea about what it is?

> Glass: I noticed the glass on the windows- was there glass in

POTA?

-- I always just assumed that there was.

>Also, I noticed the secretary doesn't have glass in her window, so

when it rains, she's going to get all wet.

-- There is glass there it's just the angle that the light from
outside is hitting it that makes it look like there isn't. (Did I
worm my way out of that one?)

> Speculation (it seems required): I noticed an '11' in the upper

right of the last panel, and there is a 'to be continued...' at the
bottom, therefore, I speculate that there will be another strip, and
it will be number 12! Pretty good, huh?

-- Brilliant! Mike, can we get another storyline out of this? ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:

> If I can get some detailed drawings of all sides of the head and a

couple of buyers to spread the costs I will gladly make your Garvin
character into a 12 inch figure.

-- Chris if you get enough interest in it to make it worth your
while to go ahead with a figure I will gladly supply you with the
drawings you need.

Neil

This was my reaction, too. What the...??

I have to agree about the Ape City buildings. I'm eating that up.
And the pictures of Apes "doing things" in the background.

What is up with the "Chief of Security"? He seems to be a little
worried -- kind of lacking self confidence.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> What is that crazy ape talking about??
>
> You guys certainly keep the cliff-hanging/anticipation going from
> strip to strip.
>
> Neil, the way you draw the city buildings is great, inside and
out.
>>
> John O.
>
>

Hi Patrick,

I love your lengthy writings. My problem is that I scavenge minutes
from my day to sit and read posts on the group and find that I get
behind in my replies. Thank you for your responses to my Caesar
theory as I have presented it so far. It isn't a fanfic, really.
It's just a theory. Besides, you supported parts of what I had
written. ;)

I am wondering why you wrote...

<<4. I don't want to seem dismissive of a fanfic idea, but I do have
a problem regarding the possibility of Caesar having become a father
with someone other than his wife Lisa -- with one exception.
In "CONQUEST", Caesar is selected to be a breeder with a newly-
arrived female chimp at the "Breeding Annex"... and after a shrug of
his shoulders, he goes into the chamber where the chimp with
the "come-hither" glances awaits him. I can see him going for it,
perhaps thinking that IF he is ever found and killed, this chimp
will bear a child to him that will carry on the "intelligence"-gene,
and either HE (or SHE) will go on to overthrow Mankind.>>

If you are suggesting that he was waiting for "the one", you
contradict that stand by suggesting that he chose to leave seed for
an intelligent ape progeny -- spur of the moment decision -- with a
shrug. I doubt it. Besides, he was bothered to see those little
babies, knowing what their futures would hold. Not very
realistic. I'm thinking he was previously married, to the other ape
in the circus. After her death, he didn't have other
opportunities. I don't mean to dive into morals here, just suggest
that perhaps at that time (since he really had no other choice) he
made the decision that it was time to move on -- suggested by the
shrug.

--Helen

As I read this, I get to thinking about the rhinos. Poor rhinos.

Little apes (orang, chimp, gorillas) are cute. Well-meaning people
take in these cute little babies and treat them as if they were
children.

Who takes in the poor rhinos? I think it's sad.

Perhaps, if the same methods are used to protect the rhino species,
we will have a planet of rhinosaurs in 20,000 years.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

>
> Alright then, I'll tell you.
>
> There's only one reason that makes plausible sense to me for why
man would
> genetically manipulate the great apes, and why the rest of
humanity would
> condone it -- and it isn't to make apes into slaves.
>
> I think only if apes were close to complete extinction would such
a project
> be undertaken. It would be done it try and improve their
fertility, rate of
> reproduction, and infant mortality. It would be done for only the
most
> altruistic of reason, out of "the milk of human kindness," and
would -- in oh so
> Boullian irony -- lead to a planet of the apes.
>
> I'm not talking about a genetic project that would yield advanced
apes in one
> or two generations. No, it would take thousands of years, and so
I would
> have to abandon the ridiculously short time span of 2,000 years in
the original
> series. My "reinvented" scenario would span more like 20,000
years.
>
> Sometime in the mid to late 21st century the number of great apes
drops so
> low that drastic action is called for to save them. Their genetic
makeup is
> altered to create apes with much greater fertility and breeding
reserves,
> thousands of acres of guarded land, are setup in Africa, Southeast
Asia, and the
> Islands of Borneo and Sumatra.
>
> What man doesn't realize completely is that he's jump-started the
> evolutionary process in the great apes, and triggered a rapid
genetic acceleration in
> their evolutionary development.
>
> So, what of the nearly six billion humans on the planet? How are
apes ever
> to dominate so many? This is where I would borrow from Dehn and
introduce the
> idea of a plague, but not a plague that kills dogs and cats -- no,
a plague
> that kills man!
>
> An airborne disease sweeps across the world and is so deadly that
vast swaths
> of mankind are wiped out in less than a generation. Science
cannot find a
> cure and the various serum invented to try and fight it have had
the unintended
> affect of rendering many woman infertile. They've also started
man on the
> rode to a kind of mental lethargy.
>
> By the end of the 22nd Century most of the area of the globe that
we now call
> the third world has become depopulated. Meanwhile, the apes
there, immune to
> the plague, have kept breeding and evolving.
>
> Mankind has retreated to isolated nation states in Europe, Asia,
Australia,
> and North and South America. Central America is mostly
depopulated. Human
> society is in a state of decline and has entered another dark
age. Industry has
> slowed to a crawl and scientific advancement and invention has
stopped. Soon,
> dictators arise, and wars between these remaining enclaves of
humankind are
> endless. It isn't long before what remains of man's nuclear
arsenal is set
> lose, and so vast regions of Europe, Asia and North America (and
Australia!) are
> turned into wasteland. Mankind returns to an age of barbarity,
with our time
> only a distant memory. We're now some four hundred years into the
future.
>
> Meanwhile the apes have kept breeding and are starting to move out
across
> Africa and into India and central Asia. Over the course of the
next several
> thousand years they evolve into the creatures we know from the
Planet of the Apes
> movies, more erect walking and talking apes. They learn to
fashion tools and
> wear clothing, in short they go through everything that early man
did in his
> development. Along the way there are many ape civilizations that
rise and
> fall. Civilizations of just chimpanzees and those of just
gorillas and orangutans
> too. Soon, these different classes of apes discover each other
and there are
> wars but there's also cooperation and the forming of civilizations
that
> include all three. However, there's also contact with what
remains of man, and
> sometimes the apes are on the loosing side and are indeed made
into slaves by
> man, but the apes revolt and turn the tables on man, for man by
this time is
> reverting to the animal state.
>
> And as the centuries pass the numbers of apes increase and the
populations of
> man continue to decline, so that 20,000 years from now the earth
is finally
> the planet of the apes, and man lives like an animal and is dumb --
and the
> children do make sport of him!
>
> Anyway, that's my attempt at a more plausible scenario.
>
> -- Rory

Thanks, Rory. I jotted down some thoughts after the ***'s below.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/29/04 7:26:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > I anyone close yet, Rory? In your opinion, why would man
> > genetically alter the great apes?
> >
> > --Helen
> >
>
> Alright then, I'll tell you.
>
> There's only one reason that makes plausible sense to me for why
man would
> genetically manipulate the great apes, and why the rest of
humanity would
> condone it -- and it isn't to make apes into slaves.

***I was going to agree with this, but I got to thinking about
horses. What do we do with them? We breed heartier, more obedient,
stronger, faster, and prettier horses. Why? So that we can raise
them, train them, work them, race them, and admire them. The thing
that might make apes different (save them from that sort of
treatment) is that they are so much like us. If we begin to see
them as human-like, we could become squeemish about the idea. But,
if we think of them as animals, what would cause us to NOT breed
them to suit our purposes?


>
> I think only if apes were close to complete extinction would such
a project
> be undertaken. It would be done it try and improve their
fertility, rate of
> reproduction, and infant mortality. It would be done for only the
most
> altruistic of reason, out of "the milk of human kindness," and
would -- in oh so
> Boullian irony -- lead to a planet of the apes.


***I think you are partly right here. If done for the "right"
reasons, people would quickly agree to all kinds of genetic
experiments. And, at this point in time, those reasons would likely
be to protect the apes from extinction.


>
> I'm not talking about a genetic project that would yield advanced
apes in one
> or two generations. No, it would take thousands of years, and so
I would
> have to abandon the ridiculously short time span of 2,000 years in
the original
> series. My "reinvented" scenario would span more like 20,000
years.


***Okay. Maybe. But, as close to human as the apes are
genetically, would it take 20,000 years if the "right" genetic
tweaks were made? Especially if the apes became somewhat better
mannered, more easily trained, and welcomed into people's homes.



>
> Sometime in the mid to late 21st century the number of great apes
drops so
> low that drastic action is called for to save them. Their genetic
makeup is
> altered to create apes with much greater fertility and breeding
reserves,
> thousands of acres of guarded land, are setup in Africa, Southeast
Asia, and the
> Islands of Borneo and Sumatra.


***This makes sense (as they would probably breed better in a
natural habitat), but it does slow down their developmental progress
some. They would develop more quickly in human/ape social climates.


>
> What man doesn't realize completely is that he's jump-started the
> evolutionary process in the great apes, and triggered a rapid
genetic acceleration in
> their evolutionary development.
>
> So, what of the nearly six billion humans on the planet? How are
apes ever
> to dominate so many? This is where I would borrow from Dehn and
introduce the
> idea of a plague, but not a plague that kills dogs and cats -- no,
a plague
> that kills man!
>
> An airborne disease sweeps across the world and is so deadly that
vast swaths
> of mankind are wiped out in less than a generation. Science
cannot find a
> cure and the various serum invented to try and fight it have had
the unintended
> affect of rendering many woman infertile. They've also started
man on the
> rode to a kind of mental lethargy.


***Computers, television, and chat groups aren't enough to make man
mentally lethargic? It's working for me.


>
> By the end of the 22nd Century most of the area of the globe that
we now call
> the third world has become depopulated. Meanwhile, the apes
there, immune to
> the plague, have kept breeding and evolving.
>
> Mankind has retreated to isolated nation states in Europe, Asia,
Australia,
> and North and South America. Central America is mostly
depopulated. Human
> society is in a state of decline and has entered another dark
age. Industry has
> slowed to a crawl and scientific advancement and invention has
stopped. Soon,
> dictators arise, and wars between these remaining enclaves of
humankind are
> endless. It isn't long before what remains of man's nuclear
arsenal is set
> lose, and so vast regions of Europe, Asia and North America (and
Australia!) are
> turned into wasteland. Mankind returns to an age of barbarity,
with our time
> only a distant memory. We're now some four hundred years into the
future.
>
> Meanwhile the apes have kept breeding and are starting to move out
across
> Africa and into India and central Asia. Over the course of the
next several
> thousand years they evolve into the creatures we know from the
Planet of the Apes
> movies, more erect walking and talking apes. They learn to
fashion tools and
> wear clothing, in short they go through everything that early man
did in his
> development. Along the way there are many ape civilizations that
rise and
> fall. Civilizations of just chimpanzees and those of just
gorillas and orangutans
> too. Soon, these different classes of apes discover each other
and there are
> wars but there's also cooperation and the forming of civilizations
that
> include all three. However, there's also contact with what
remains of man, and
> sometimes the apes are on the loosing side and are indeed made
into slaves by
> man, but the apes revolt and turn the tables on man, for man by
this time is
> reverting to the animal state.

***If I might say so, I think Boulle is on the right track with the
lazy, dead-headed, couch potato end of the human intellect.

I also think that introducing the apes to the civilized human
landscape erases several thousand years of trial and error. Since
the apes ape what the humans have done, it's my feeling that they
need to be around the humans to see what they are doing. Also, they
can begin to get "the advantage" as their human hosts become less
and less interactive with their own environment.

So, I think the ape preserves set up as breeding grounds are a good
idea; but I think a relocation of the apes to more civilized
territories does away with the need for the apes to go through
everything that early man did in his development.


>
> And as the centuries pass the numbers of apes increase and the
populations of
> man continue to decline, so that 20,000 years from now the earth
is finally
> the planet of the apes, and man lives like an animal and is dumb --
and the
> children do make sport of him!
>
> Anyway, that's my attempt at a more plausible scenario.
>
> -- Rory

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Who's William Smith?

Tolar (in "The Gladiators" episode...)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/2/2004 2:54:38 PM Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Who's William Windom?

The President (in ESCAPE...)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/2/2004 4:52:13 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

>Glass:  I noticed the glass on the windows- was there glass in
POTA? 

-- I always just assumed that there was.

...And your assumption is a fact... There IS glass in PLANET...

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Thanks to Greg P., issue 7 of the Marvel UK magazine is now available,
30 years to the week that it was originally released.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> Thanks to Greg P., issue 7 of the Marvel UK magazine is now

available,

> 30 years to the week that it was originally released.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Hunter

Thanks guys! Was it really that long ago? Sigh...

Neil

RETURN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES available on DVD
2 DVD SET created by Hunter Goatley
http://www.goatley.com/pota/dvd/toons/

Mr. Goatley has gathered a large number of sources of copies of this
great cartoon series and has painstakingly taken the best sources
available and compiled and edited them to give us the best quality
version ever available of this 1975 cartoon series

Terry Hoknes (Ape Chronicles) is in charge of taking and filling
orders for the new DVD set. Email him directly to place your order at
terryhoknes@...

ORDERS FOR UNITED STATES / MEXICO / CANADA
2 DVD set (blank disc costs - generic $1.50 per DVD x 2 = $3.00 US
funds) plus $2.50 shipping in US funds
GRAND TOTAL COST = $5.50 US FUNDS

ORDERS FOR ALL COUNTRIES OUTSIDE OF NORTH AMERICA
2 DVD set (blank disc costs - generic $1.50 per DVD x 2 = $3.00 US
funds) plus $4.99 shipping in US Funds
GRAND TOTAL COST = $7.99 US FUNDS

If you would like the DVD's on a higher quality brand name such as
TDK or SONY cost is $3.50 US per DVD x 2 = $7.00 - therefore if you
want better quality name brand DVD's the cost is $4.00 US funds
higher per order. Write me with questions on this

YOUR OWN DVDS !
Your other option if you want to save the DVD costs is to mail me
your own blank discs (any brand) and then you just pay for shipping

Also if you want to save on any shipping costs you can make your own
arrangements with other POTA fans/friends in your area/country and we
can arrange to ship a few sets of the DVDs in one package to a
particular person if you feel this will save you any shipping costs.

I expect to start making these DVDs available starting Dec 15th so
you can place your orders now or wait a few weeks.
The earliest orders "might" make it in time for Christmas

If orders get really high than there are other members such as Greg,
Mark, Dave etc who also volunteered to help out with copying discs
and mailing in foreign countries. I appreciate their help. However
at this point I can easily handle any expected orders in quantity.

I take/use paypal at HOKNES@...
if using paypal just log in to paypal.com
click on "send money" and then choose "goods"

I also accept international money orders, personal checks and cash
Prices in US funds

If you need your item shipped faster (more expensive speedy delivery)
please let me know to make special arrangements

Thanks again to Hunter Goatley for putting this DVD set together.
Once everyone has their new DVD sets in January than I recommend that
we get together to discuss this wonderful cartoon series on its 30th
anniversary. Michael Whitty has plans for a contest based on the
cartoons.

If you have questions about this please let me know
Questions? Ask for Terry (306) 373-5182
I cannot answer emails on weekends !

TERRY HOKNES
2449 EASTVIEW
SASKATOON, SK
CANADA
S7J 3E8
www.hoknes.com/return.htm

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In a message dated 12/2/2004 1:34:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

Don't know if any of our Stateside members attend sci-fi cons at all, but I
noticed that William Windom will be appearing at Chiller in January and
William Smith will be appearing at Cinema Wasteland in April, for anyone
interested.

I've met Bill a couple of times.

He's a hoot!

 

If you see him, tell him Eugene Pallet wasn't

a Culver Man.  But he was in one of the movies.

 

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In a message dated 12/2/2004 3:01:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

> Who's William Windom?

For shame!  He was the President in "Escape".  He was also Steve
Martin's boss in the seasonal "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"---a
minor, but hilarious, role.

 

I first met Bill a few years after Escape. A Culver Man by the name of

Hal Holbrook had put together a one-man-show doing Mark Twain. 

Bill had done a series on TV based on James Thurber called, My World

And Welcome To It, and decided to do the same thing.  He came to

Culver and did a great show, also a Q & A session as well.  I was a little

disappointed to learn that even though he was in Escape he'd never met

Kim Hunter, even on the lot.  In fact the Film Festival was the first time

they'd been in the same room together.  He looked over at the long line

to get her autograph and said, "Who's that?"  I told him and he said, "Oh

the real deal huh?"  As though all the other actors there were just

amateurs in the presence of a true professional.  He's a really funny guy. 

An interesting side note on Holbrook.  Being an Alum, he invited the

student cadre of the Artillery for a sunset martini party on the roof of

Battery barracks.  The school administration found out about it and

Mr. Holbrook was 'requested" to leave the academy, posthaste.

 

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>***If I might say so, I think Boulle is on the right track with the

lazy, dead-headed, couch potato end of the human intellect.

-- I think so too. In fact I have proof of this very thing happening
in my own home - my children! ;-)

Neil

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In a message dated 12/2/2004 9:31:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Thanks, Rory.  I jotted down some thoughts after the ***'s below.

You're supposed to leave the first letter and then the ****'s

hehe

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In a message dated 12/2/2004 7:15:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I love your lengthy writings.  My problem is that I scavenge minutes
from my day to sit and read posts on the group and find that I get
behind in my replies.

 

You're not the only one Helen.  I just leave Pat's Posts

for later when I have time.  That's why I have a backlog

of them.  No one has that much time.  I'm convinced that

Pat can type faster then the average person can read.

I look at them like a sort of archive.  That one day, when

I'm retired, I can go back and spend a year reading them,

and say to myself . . . This sounds like a bunch of crap!

I don't always agree with them, but I always enjoy them.

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Hey are the DVDs that Terry's offering the same ones

we've been talking about lately?

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 12/2/2004 7:15:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> I love your lengthy writings. My problem is that I scavenge

minutes

> from my day to sit and read posts on the group and find that I

get

> behind in my replies.
>
>
>
> You're not the only one Helen. I just leave Pat's Posts
> for later when I have time. That's why I have a backlog
> of them. No one has that much time. I'm convinced that
> Pat can type faster then the average person can read.
> I look at them like a sort of archive. That one day, when
> I'm retired, I can go back and spend a year reading them,
> and say to myself . . . This sounds like a bunch of crap!
> I don't always agree with them, but I always enjoy them.

I think Patrick has a high tech voice processor. As he goes through
the day talking to himself it all gets recorded and put to text.
Then, when he completes the thought he resets the voice processor
and begins another topic -- or another take on a parallel scenario.

In any case, I want his technology! I'd almost settle for his
spell/grammar/syntax checkor.

Either that, or he types faster than I THINK!! (You're amazing,
Patrick.)

--Helen

I just wish Patrick would split his posts up into a million different
posts so we retards get the chance to assimilate pieces of information
at a time! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:46:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: I am wondering why you wrote...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/2/2004 7:15:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> I love your lengthy writings. My problem is that I scavenge
minutes
> from my day to sit and read posts on the group and find that I
get
> behind in my replies.
>
>
>
> You're not the only one Helen. I just leave Pat's Posts
> for later when I have time. That's why I have a backlog
> of them. No one has that much time. I'm convinced that
> Pat can type faster then the average person can read.
> I look at them like a sort of archive. That one day, when
> I'm retired, I can go back and spend a year reading them,
> and say to myself . . . This sounds like a bunch of crap!
> I don't always agree with them, but I always enjoy them.



I think Patrick has a high tech voice processor. As he goes through
the day talking to himself it all gets recorded and put to text.
Then, when he completes the thought he resets the voice processor
and begins another topic -- or another take on a parallel scenario.

In any case, I want his technology! I'd almost settle for his
spell/grammar/syntax checkor.

Either that, or he types faster than I THINK!! (You're amazing,
Patrick.)

--Helen

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Yes I believe they are T.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:56:25 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Return DVDs
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Hey are the DVDs that Terry's offering the same ones
we've been talking about lately?

I think he's a power tripper!

Raw, absolute.....

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:49:11 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New Strip!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

This was my reaction, too. What the...??

I have to agree about the Ape City buildings. I'm eating that up.
And the pictures of Apes "doing things" in the background.

What is up with the "Chief of Security"? He seems to be a little
worried -- kind of lacking self confidence.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> What is that crazy ape talking about??
>
> You guys certainly keep the cliff-hanging/anticipation going from
> strip to strip.
>
> Neil, the way you draw the city buildings is great, inside and
out.
>>
> John O.

I'm really enjoying revisiting these stories!

Bring on the Apeslayer!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 4:44:56 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Marvel UK Issue 7 is now available
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> Thanks to Greg P., issue 7 of the Marvel UK magazine is now

available,

> 30 years to the week that it was originally released.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/ <http://www.goatley.com/pota/>
>
> Hunter

Thanks guys! Was it really that long ago? Sigh...

Neil