I'm a little behind on reading the post. 4 new comic strips all at
once? This does feel like my Birthday. Thanks guys.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > -- But will they be coming to a group near you? Hmmmm, who knows
> Lawgiver?
>
> -- Okay, the boss dude has been on the phone to me and demanded
that I
> give the group a nice Birthday present. So here you go guys and
gals,
> another FOUR new Within strips!
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Within%20the%20Planet%
20of%2
> 0the%20Apes/Current%20Chapter/Chapters%2057%20%26%2058.gif>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Within%20the%20Planet%
20of%20
> the%20Apes/Current%20Chapter/Chapters%2057%20%26%2058.gif
>
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Within%20the%20Planet%
20of%2
> 0the%20Apes/Current%20Chapter/Chapters%2059%20%26%2060.gif>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Within%20the%20Planet%
20of%20
> the%20Apes/Current%20Chapter/Chapters%2059%20%26%2060.gif
>
> Now someone go and blow out the candles... what they aren't candles
> they're sticks of dynamite, in the hands of slobbering militaristic
> gorillas! Yikes, I'm out of here!!!!...
>
>
> Neil
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Birthday Reminder

I'm a little behind on reading the post. 4 new comic strips all at
once? This does feel like my Birthday. Thanks guys.






--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > -- But will they be coming to a group near you? Hmmmm, who knows
> Lawgiver?
> 
> -- Okay, the boss dude has been on the phone to me and demanded
that I
> give the group a nice Birthday present. So here you go guys and
gals,
> another FOUR new Within strips!

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You need to monitor Neil's "medication" a little closer, Michael. He's
starting to get crazy with the cheese whiz again.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #13a

You need to monitor Neil's "medication" a little closer, Michael. He's
starting to get crazy with the cheese whiz again.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of PofTAfan@...
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Hey Rory.....

Oh. I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. I will be waiting for the release of the comic in December.

 

Kevin

PofTAfan

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Well, I see Neil is just racing twoards his destiny. I noticed that
he has put out the strips faster than usual so he can share
his "unique" vision of what may have led Milo into space so quickly.
(I bet the pot smoking Ursus got a better response.) Hehehe, You
still my favorite hippy, Neil. We won't let them hurt you, much. :D






--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>
> You can do better than that bitch!
>
> Make a comment - or two even - I'm outta ideas! ;)
>
> Don't forgt it was you who got these mutants happening!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of

> John
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:01 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Birthday Reminder
>
>
> I'm a little behind on reading the post. 4 new comic strips all at
> once? This does feel like my Birthday. Thanks guys.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > > -- But will they be coming to a group near you? Hmmmm, who

knows

> > Lawgiver?
> >
> > -- Okay, the boss dude has been on the phone to me and demanded
> that I
> > give the group a nice Birthday present. So here you go guys and
> gals,
> > another FOUR new Within strips!
>
>
>

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This rivals the Japanese TV box set for sheer
coolness...

The idea is ok, but this thing is U G L Y...

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.html.html In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:31:44 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Hell maybe the rumours about the Conquest Special Edition are true.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:38 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Released next year...

In a message dated 11/16/2005 4:15:18 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

This rivals the Japanese TV box set for sheer
coolness...

The idea is ok, but this thing is U G L Y...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:46 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Released next year...

In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:31:44 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Hell maybe the rumours about the Conquest Special Edition are true.

What rumors? When were these posted?

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.html.html In a message dated 11/16/2005 10:50:00 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

So you don't think it is a very good likeness of Caesar?

That's supposed to be Caesar?!? Looks more like a generic ("almost") background chimp...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 11/16/2005 8:06:54 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

An elite group of POTA fans was selected for a sneak preview of the first comic.
 

You're an elite fan if you never post unless you have something to sell?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:00 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Released next year...

In a message dated 11/16/2005 10:50:00 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

So you don't think it is a very good likeness of Caesar?

That's supposed to be Caesar?!? Looks more like a generic ("almost") background chimp...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Hey Rory.....

In a message dated 11/16/2005 8:06:54 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

An elite group of POTA fans was selected for a sneak preview of the first comic.
 

You're an elite fan if you never post unless you have something to sell?

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.html.html In a message dated 11/16/2005 11:04:29 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Wonder who sculpted it?


I'll say this: Matthew Sotis could have made a better chimp head sculpt...<.html <.html

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In a message dated 11/16/2005 4:33:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

You know how I love tacky merchandise - this is brilliant! Even
including that abominable remake I still think it's cool!

 

Seems like they always go wrong on the hair.

Worst hair since the Zira bust.  I liked the

Japanese Icarus boxed set better.  Didn't

it light up?

 

 

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Seems like they always go wrong on the hair.

Exactly, the hair on this is what really ruined...<.html <.html

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In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:00:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Yeah I did.

It has lights right?

 

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That's okay...I'm getting plenty from the Revolution of the POTA site . If I miss out on the sneak preview that just make the book more interesting.

 

Just T-minus 20 days to go for the release of the new ape comics.

 

Kevin

PofTAfan

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I know it is - but hey - other than the inaqequate memory of the producers - how do you explain the differences?  And how the hell did they get his ship off the bottom of the ocean and dry it out and learn to fly it?

  That's easy. Apes are very intelligent. Elaine

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 4:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New WITHIN

In a message dated 11/15/2005 2:56:23 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Why do they say in ESCAPE that it's TAYLOR'S ship when it quite obviously is NOT?

But it IS Taylor's ship!!!!! Why can't people get that?!?

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What do you mean?
I first posted about the comics 6 months ago after talking with artist
Tom Fowler at a comic show here in Ottawa. It was not announced at the
time none of the sites made any mention of it. My post was the first
in this DG about it. None of the other POTA DGs ever made mention of
it before either. If I recall correctly, my posting even included Ty
and Tom's email address.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:51 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Rumours ad infinitum

> They were not posted, but I have been getting reports.
>
> Sorta like I got reports of the new comics....just whispers in the
> corridoors.....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of
> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Released next year...
>
>
> In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
>
>
> Hell maybe the rumours about the Conquest Special Edition are true.
>
>
>
> What rumors? When were these posted?
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 11/16/2005 11:41:08 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Seems like they always go wrong on the hair.

Exactly, the hair on this is what really ruined...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Released next year...

How much is this set in US dollars ? Can anyone figure that out? I could buy myself a Christmas present......I know the discs wouldn't probably play here but the packaging makes it worthwhile for  my bigass collection

 

Tim

mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/16/2005 11:41:08 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Seems like they always go wrong on the hair.

Exactly, the hair on this is what really ruined...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Released this year... (OT)

Whilst I was on that site and having a look around I found something that might be of interest to you Mr. Whitty. Just what you would like to buy yourself for X-Mas I bet! ;-)

 

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?page=title&r=R2&title=732003&p=39&g=53&pa=stgts3

 

 

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> No, I'm more interested in watching replays of the recent match

England VS

> Pakistan! :)
>
> I suppose that makes Pakistan the #1 team in the world now? Wa ha

ha !!!!

>

Oh I thought if we all kept quite about this you wouldn't
notice!! :)
Best Graham.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of hill19652000
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:59 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Released this year... (OT)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> No, I'm more interested in watching replays of the recent match
England VS
> Pakistan!  :)
>
> I suppose that makes Pakistan the #1 team in the world now?  Wa ha
ha !!!!
> 

  Oh  I thought if we all kept quite about this you wouldn't
notice!! :)
Best Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> I nearly missed it!
>
> I was on the phone to Neil when Hoggard was tearing the Pakis apart

and I

> assumed they would go on to win.....but i should have guessed from

the

> silence that this was not the case!
>
> Pakistan - #1!
>
> ;)
>

Silence ? what silence ? I've been busy , yeah that's it I've been
looking after the cat !!(oh I knew this would happen, the phraze
batting collapse sent familiar chills down my spine) :)
best Graham.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of hill19652000
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:24 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Released this year... (OT)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> I nearly missed it!
> 
> I was on the phone to Neil when Hoggard was tearing the Pakis apart
and I
> assumed they would go on to win.....but i should have guessed from
the
> silence that this was not the case!
>
> Pakistan - #1!
> 
> ;)
>
  Silence ? what silence ? I've been busy , yeah that's it I've been
looking after the cat !!(oh I knew this would happen, the phraze
batting collapse sent familiar chills down my spine) :)
best Graham.

I remember that Dario. You da man! Tom Fowlers work on the new apes
comic is what is exciting me the most on this series!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@n...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean?
> I first posted about the comics 6 months ago after talking with
artist
> Tom Fowler at a comic show here in Ottawa. It was not announced at
the
> time none of the sites made any mention of it. My post was the
first
> in this DG about it. None of the other POTA DGs ever made mention
of
> it before either. If I recall correctly, my posting even included
Ty
> and Tom's email address.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:51 pm
> Subject: [PotaDG] Rumours ad infinitum
>
> > They were not posted, but I have been getting reports.
> >
> > Sorta like I got reports of the new comics....just whispers in the
> > corridoors.....
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]On
> > Behalf Of
> > mlccougar@a...
> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:46 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Released next year...
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/16/2005 5:31:44 PM Central Standard Time,
> > Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hell maybe the rumours about the Conquest Special Edition are
true.
> >
> >
> >
> > What rumors? When were these posted?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rumours ad infinitum

I remember that Dario. You da man! Tom Fowlers work on the new apes
comic is what is exciting me the most on this series!



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@n...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean?
> I first posted about the comics 6 months ago after talking with
artist
> Tom Fowler at a comic show here in Ottawa. It was not announced at
the
> time none of the sites made any mention of it. My post was the
first
> in this DG about it. None of the other POTA DGs ever made mention
of
> it before either.  If I recall correctly, my posting even included
Ty
> and Tom's email address.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:51 pm
> Subject: [PotaDG] Rumours ad infinitum
>
> > They were not posted, but I have been getting reports.
> >
> > Sorta like I got reports of the new comics....just whispers in the
> > corridoors.....

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Whitty, Michael
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:28 AM
To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Rumours ad infinitum

To call it a rumour and try to make it a big deal is really stupid.  I've asked Ty if it is true and I'll let you know what he says.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2005 10:43:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> Ferrer version is, because it is a translation, it loses a great

deal that the Depardieu version is able to maintain, simply due to
the fact that it is in the original French

>
>
>
> True. Often things are lost in the translation.
> This is especially true in translations in anime.
> The Japanese, like the English are big on puns.
> And the translations lose a lot of the humor in
> them. There are lots of cultural references as
> well that are lost too. Interestingly some of the
> Fan-Subs are better than the commercial release.
> But only when the translator has a good command
> of English, and can balance literal meaning with
> the intent of the words. A good fan-sub had lots
> of editors notes that explain not only what is being
> said, but what is meant by it, and it's bearing on
> the story. They say if you have to explain a joke,
> then it's not funny. on the other hand, there's no
> point in translating a joke if no one is going to get it.
>

*** One of the reasons I believe Edward de Vere, XVIIth Earl of
Oxford, was the author who wrote "Hamlet" (etc) under the pseudonym
of 'William Shake-speare' is because there are soooooo many little
jokes in his plays that just can't be understood unless you know De
Vere's life story. He wrote about people he knew, people in positions
of power in Elizabeth's court, people he -- as an earl -- could
safely lampoon without any consequences other than having his written
works put out under a name other than his own.

In "PLANET", when Taylor tells Honorius that "Some apes, it seems,
are more equal than others..." it is a joke referencing Orwell's
novel "ANIMAL FARM". I wonder how many POTA fans are out there who
don't 'get' the joke, because they've never read Orwell? Or never had
that joke explained to them? Imagine if, somehow, in our distant
future a still-working DVD of the 'lost' movie "PLANET OF THE APES"
is discovered after having been forgotten for centuries... and when
they watch it, they get to that line of Taylor's and don't get the
joke, because the works of Orwell had also been lost in the
intervening centuries.

Patrick

*** Hey Mike -- you already KNOW what my take on this is! It's still
fun seeing others' attempts, though... especially when the art's so
easy-on-the-eyes.

I'm still laughing my ass off about the dope-smokin' gorillas...

Patrick

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Anthony Burgess, R.I.P.

In "PLANET", when Taylor tells Honorius that "Some apes, it seems,
are more equal than others..." it is a joke referencing Orwell's
novel "ANIMAL FARM". I wonder how many POTA fans are out there who
don't 'get' the joke, because they've never read Orwell? Or never had
that joke explained to them? Imagine if, somehow, in our distant
future a still-working DVD of the 'lost' movie "PLANET OF THE APES"
is discovered after having been forgotten for centuries... and when
they watch it, they get to that line of Taylor's and don't get the
joke, because the works of Orwell had also been lost in the
intervening centuries.

Patrick

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:51 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New WITHIN

*** Hey Mike -- you already KNOW what my take on this is! It's still
fun seeing others' attempts, though... especially when the art's so
easy-on-the-eyes.

I'm still laughing my ass off about the dope-smokin' gorillas...

Patrick

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.html.html In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:39:18 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I think you double it for USD!

That's pretty much right on... Not exact, but very close to doubled, not to mention the large amount you'd be paying on shipping/handling for that...<.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 11/15/2005 11:31:13 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > Hey isn't that Patrick's theory?
>
> No, his is that the apes ship is a mysterious third ship found on the
> seaboard...
>
> What I am saying is that the apes ship could have been in the larger

ship and while the main ship could have become water logged, etc., the
smaller escape/exploratory vessel would have remained safe within it's
sealed walls...

>

*** Well, Cornelius DID tell the Prez Commission that Milo had found
the ship "on our seaboard"... and he (Cornelius) differentiates between
the LAKE in which Taylor's ship splashed down and the SEA (the Ocean),
at least twice: he, referring back to the site of Taylor's raft,
says "The terrain around that LAKE is poisonous..." -- and, earlier,
he'd said: "It's a long detour to DEAD LAKE..." This same body of water
is referred to by Zaius as "an inland SEA of our eastern desert", while
pointing out "his [i.e. Taylor's] assertion" in the written testimony
Taylor wanted Cornelius to enter into the record.

But Cornelius uses the word "SEA" to refer to the OCEAN -- the big body
of water along which Taylor and Nova ride their horse "towards the
North" eventually to find the Statue of Liberty. "... between the LAKE
and the SEA..." he tells Brent.

Cornelius -- if he's telling the truth to the Commission about this --
is telling them that Milo found the spaceship on the shore, the
coastline, of the OCEAN -- NOT at the LAKE where Taylor's ship sank in
the 1st movie.

Is Cornelius telling them the truth about this? After all, he DOES lie
to them about not knowing Colonel Taylor ("No... is he a soldier?").
But he had a reason for lying about that. It doesn't matter where Milo
found the spaceship, as far as this Commission is concerned, does it?
They haven't the foggiest idea what Cornelius' world is like -- he
could invent a wholly fictitious landscape out of an Ape fairy tale and
describe THAT terrain and, for all they know, he'd be telling them the
truth... or not.

I think Cornelius (and Zira) are willing to lie when they have an
urgent NEED to do so -- to safeguard themselves (and their as-yet-
unborn child) when the Truth will endanger them. But, when they have to
explain to the Commission about how they came to be in one of their
spaceships, it seems pretty straightforward:

1) the spaceship they flew backwards-through-Time had LANDED -- it
didn't SPLASH DOWN and then SINK... it LANDED

2) it landed on the SHORE OF THE OCEAN -- "on our seaboard" and NOT
into the LAKE that is separated from the SEA/OCEAN by a peninsula

3) Milo found this spaceship, and it -- unlike the two previously seen
ships -- was in WORKING ORDER: it had POWER (unlike Taylor's ship,
which FIRST lost its "Primary Power" and THEN lost its "AUXILIARY
POWER", as Landon says: "It's no use! The POWER's gone!")... and it had
a working COMPUTER, since the flight record was able to be studied by
the NASA technicians who reported to the President that the "flight
synthesizer" registered the Before and After Year-Dates as "3955"
and "1973" respectively -- and Brent's ship's computer, as he told his
Skipper, was "SHOT". Kaput. Broken. Fritzed out. Out-of-working-order.

4) Despite all the above... the ship Milo found was, according to the
President, "... the one commanded by Colonel Taylor..." -- it being ONE
of TWO ships that had been REPORTED as "lost" over a year earlier.

How can Milo's ship BE Taylor's ship? Different fans can try to finagle
this evidence any which way they please... and my way is to suggest
that the TWO ships the President refers to are VIRDON's ship (which
went out into space, headed for Alpha Centauri, BEFORE the landing of
the Ape-onauts) and TAYLOR's ship, heading off towards a star system
320 lightyears away in Orion... but, by "Taylor's ship" I'm really
referring to a mission that involves a primary ship (a "mothership")
which, like Antelle's vessel, is designed to be an orbiting vessel from
which THREE SMALLER SECONDARY VESSELS can detach and land on the
surface of the orbited planet. Just as Antelle, Levain, and Merou (and
Hector the chimp) land on Soror in one of these "chaloupes"/"launches"
(shuttlecraft), so too does Taylor (with Dodge/Landon/Stewart) land in
such a shuttle, which had detached from the primary ship. Later, a
SECOND such shuttlecraft lands, with 'Skipper' and Brent in it. Both of
these two vessels are rendered inoperable -- water damage and lost
power... engine fire and computer failure -- they CAN'T be used to get
back up into orbit...

But there was a THIRD such shuttlecraft, and IT was landed onto the
planet somewhere on the shoreline of the Ocean, the Sea... and IT WAS
STILL IN WORKING ORDER. And Milo found it. And he went to Cornelius and
Zira, told 'em about it, had 'em get some things together in a "carpet
bag", made a journey from Ape City to that site somewhere on the
ocean's coastline...

And they got into the damned thing and flew it into orbit.

How??? How did Milo learn how to fly it?

Did he have to know how?

What if those who had landed it had left it there (to go off to find
Taylor and Brent, etc) after having PRE-PROGRAMMED IT so that it could
launch into orbit all at the press of ONE button?! Just like when we
click the "SEND" button on these "REPLY" or "POST MESSAGE" pages...
just ONE action, the press of ONE button, which puts into play all the
pre-programmed computer commands that were just waiting for the press
of that single button.

It could be just that simple. All the Ape-onauts had to do was get into
those spacesuits, strap themselves into the three chairs, breathe deep,
and hope that they didn't blast off only to explode in mid-air.

I just had a wicked thought.

Suppose... just suppose... that, when the Trio (Milo, Cornelius, and
Zira) got to the ship, that they heard the RADIO in it cracklin' a
message: "ANSA mothership to landing party... come in! Are you there?
Helloooo...? Anybody there...?"

And, inside the spaceship, Milo tentatively presses the button that
says RADIO TRANSMIT on it (or something like that)... and answers the
mysterious voice coming out of the speaker.

Whoever is on the other end of that conversation has NO IDEA that he's
talking to an intelligent chimpanzee. Milo probably believes that the
voice is from a HUMAN like Taylor, the "speaking monster".

Does Milo know what happened to the 3 astronauts who had landed this
machine? Suppose he DOES know... that they were captured by Ursus and
then killed. What should he tell the Voice on the ANSA radio set?

What if he tells Him or Her that "they're all dead"...

What would the reaction from the ANSA personnel up in the orbiting
mothership be?

They would want their shuttlecraft back. And they have the means to get
it back, IF they can use that radio-link to REMOTELY FLY it back up
into orbit.

Let's suppose, then, that the 3 apes are in their green-&-brown
chimpanzee duds... inside the cockpit... and then, SUDDENLY, the hatch
closes! They're TRAPPED inside it! The pre-flight engine systems come
online... the ship lifts off (perhaps "blasting off" via ordinary
rockets, or perhaps using an advanced "antigravitic" type of propulsion
system), and the apes find themselves trapped in a FLYING machine!

Once in orbit, they find themselves in Zero-Gee, floating in the
cockpit. They get themselves inside the spacesuits that had been left
there by the human astronauts who'd landed the ship, helping each other
into them...

The shuttlecraft is on a "burn" that is intended to get it up to the
mothership's orbit, so that it can dock with it...

... and then the Earth is annihilated. Taylor detonates the Doomsday
Bomb, there's a bright white blinding light, the rim of the Earth
melts, and then there's a tornado in the sky... BEFORE the shuttle can
link up with the Mothership that had been remotely piloting it up to
rendezvous with it, unbeknownst to the Apes.

The Earth, having been transformed into a Black Hole by the explosion-
and-implosion of the Bomb, still acts to pull at the ships with its
gravity. Somehow, the surface-to-orbit "burn" is cancelled; perhaps the
Mothership dudes freak out at seeing the planet annihilated like that,
and ditch their attempt to bring in their shuttlecraft, and make haste
to do a Mothership engine burn to get them further away from the Black
Hole that once was Earth, into a higher orbit, or else away from the
Earth-Moon system entirely.

Leaving the Ape-onauts all alone in a ship which -- no longer doing an
engine burn -- will inevitably FALL back towards the center of gravity
of the once-Earth Black Hole's event horizon...

... thru the Time Warp, generated by the shuttle's onboard hyperdrive
engines...

... and back to 1973, the SE corner of sector Alpha Charlie.

And THAT is just another way to get those monkeys up into space!

Patrick

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In "PLANET", when Taylor tells Honorius that "Some apes, it seems,
are more equal than others..." it is a joke referencing Orwell's
novel "ANIMAL FARM". I wonder how many POTA fans are out there who
don't 'get' the joke, because they've never read Orwell? Or never had
that joke explained to them?

True, it IS a joke referring to Animal Farm, but still, if you're not aware of that, that line does work on it's own...

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In a message dated 11/17/2005 7:49:58 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

In "PLANET", when Taylor tells Honorius that "Some apes, it seems,
are more equal than others..." it is a joke referencing Orwell's
novel "ANIMAL FARM". I wonder how many POTA fans are out there who
don't 'get' the joke, because they've never read Orwell? Or never had
that joke explained to them?

True, it IS a joke referring to Animal Farm, but still, if you're not aware of that, that line does work on it's own...

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*** Now, Mike, I didn't say that! I haven't seen the
entire story yet, so I can only reserve judgment about
its merits until it's all done. Of course, I have my
own particular 'feel' for how this between-the-films
stuff should go down, how Milo finds the ship, etc etc
etc... but despite the fact that MY take will be along
different lines than yours here, I'm not against you
doing this story at all. You know that you can rely on
me to point out any inconsistencies I may see between
your story and the film-details, right?

With only 60-odd strips to review so far, though, I
still don't have a complete sense of where you're
going with this. Has Taylor landed yet? Is this BEFORE
"PLANET", or between "PLANET" and "BENEATH"? There's
too much I do NOT know about this story for me to make
any judgments about it.

I'll admit, though, that it doesn't hurt your story to
have Neil's illustrations accompanying it! I dig the
art, and I'm enjoying the bit-by-bit exposition of
this story. Wondering where you're going with it...
wishing it were all available so I could read it ALL,
and THEN comment on it...

But that time will come. Unless the Bird Flu kills us
all...

Patrick


--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
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> So the story's shit but the art carries it? :)
>
> That's what I was thinking.... :-0
>
> Thans god we have the rebellious and talented Mr
> Foster!
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:51 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New WITHIN
>
>
> *** Hey Mike -- you already KNOW what my take on
> this is! It's still
> fun seeing others' attempts, though... especially
> when the art's so
> easy-on-the-eyes.
>
> I'm still laughing my ass off about the dope-smokin'
> gorillas...
>
> Patrick
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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*** Now, Mike, I didn't say that!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New WITHIN

You know that you can rely on
me to point out any inconsistencies I may see between
your story and the film-details, right?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New WITHIN

With only 60-odd strips to review so far, though, I
still don't have a complete sense of where you're
going with this. Has Taylor landed yet? Is this BEFORE
"PLANET", or between "PLANET" and "BENEATH"? There's
too much I do NOT know about this story for me to make
any judgments about it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New WITHIN

I'll admit, though, that it doesn't hurt your story to
have Neil's illustrations accompanying it! I dig the
art, and I'm enjoying the bit-by-bit exposition of
this story. Wondering where you're going with it...
wishing it were all available so I could read it ALL,
and THEN comment on it...

But that time will come. Unless the Bird Flu kills us
all...

Patrick

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In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:43:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Plus you will probably have to add shipping to that and that will be horrendous!

And I hope your DVD player is Region Free.

 

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In a message dated 11/17/2005 9:32:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

But you know there IS an old saying that any shit story drawn well will still be good.

 

Yeah!  I'd like to hire Neil to storyboard my film pitches.

I wonder how much he charges for color?  Or I guess over

it'd be . . . I wonder how much he charges for colour?

 

 

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Niek, I mean Neil . . . hiccups. 

how much do you charge for Kahlua?

 

 

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Okay, I will stick my neck out again. I like Within more than BTB. I really
like the story and I really like the art. When I see Neils art in pencil
most of my criticism about the art in BTB go away. I think we are opposites,
I think Neils pencils are stronger than his inks and I am vice versa.
I also really like the comic strip format. I wish you two had the rights to
Tooncast this thing all over the internet. This makes a LOT of the webcomics
out there look pretty bad. Too both of you, is it harder to write and plan
in this format than standard comic book format?
I liked BTB, I just enjoy Within more.
I took the password protection off of Apocalypse Whenever for the time
being, so check it out if you want. Feedback welcome.
www.webcomicsnation.com/boogaloocomics

Damon
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Ouch! Hmmm...this or an iPod....hmmmm

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> > I think you double it for USD!
>
> -- If I have got my sums right, along with the 30
> pound discount they
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> today's exchange rates.
> Plus you will probably have to add shipping to that
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It's not...I would just be gettting it for my
collection...have all the discs all ready...

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>
> In a message dated 11/17/2005 4:43:06 P.M. Central
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I love this strip!!! The pdf's can't come fast enough!! Bring on 61 -
72!! I need another ape fix!!
Great work gentlemen. Your story and art brings me back to being a kid
lying on my bed reading the latest issue of Marvel's Planet of the Apes
magazine!!
Ahhhhh....good times..good times.

Thank you.

- I'm hogging him! :) Do you use that expression in the States?

There are so many places for me to take this, I can't even begin to
think about it. So, I'll just say that as long as your "relationship"
keeps turning out these great Planet of the Apes stories, I for one am
perfectly okay with it. Hog away Princess, hog away!

>.....but we also have fun stretching the boundaries.
>
> More than anything, it is testimony to the definition of the

word "TEAM".

>
> You know - I wish all ape fans could learn the fine art of being

part of a

> TEAM.
>

You are F#@$ing killing me. Please stop. I am so glad for you two but
why do "your kind" always have to share their happieness all the time.
We get it. You and Neil are the happiest couple down under. Now go
write something and let Neil go back to drawing. ;D

Glad to see he's still around.

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Yes, we use that expression here too. It just sounds bad when you say
it about the hippy. Not that there is anything wrong with the way you
two choose to live. "Your here! Your..." We'll get used to it.

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> Oh dear - hogging means "being selfish with"
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> know..oh DEAR!
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> - I'm hogging him! :) Do you use that expression in the States?
>
> There are so many places for me to take this, I can't even begin to
> think about it. So, I'll just say that as long as
your "relationship"
> keeps turning out these great Planet of the Apes stories, I for one
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This is a bit disappointing because Neil and I both agree they probably want the humans to be on hovercrafts with a large beast and a few new weapons so it is an action packed blockbuster, and that's just NOT what it is.

And the original Planet of the Apes is not that either. Even Goldsmith in his commentary mentions what a quiet film is, and that a film like that probably couldn't be made today.

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In a message dated 11/19/2005 5:20:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

BTB is actually being revisited at the moment.

 

What's BTB?

 

 

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Oh dear – hogging means "being selfish with" or "hoarding"….not…..you know……oh DEAR!

 One of the advantages of being on this site is that my Aussi-American dictionary just keeps expanding all the time. Elaine

 

 

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- I'm hogging him!  :)  Do you use that expression in the States?

There are so many places for me to take this, I can't even begin to
think about it. So, I'll just say that as long as your "relationship"
keeps turning out these great Planet of the Apes stories, I for one am
perfectly okay with it. Hog away Princess, hog away!

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 Is he wasted and happy? Elaine

 

 

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In a message dated 11/19/2005 5:20:17 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

This is a bit disappointing because Neil and I both agree they probably want the humans to be on hovercrafts with a large beast and a few new weapons so it is an action packed blockbuster, and that's just NOT what it is.

And the original Planet of the Apes is not that either. Even Goldsmith in his commentary mentions what a quiet film is, and that a film like that probably couldn't be made today.

I like BTB as it is now, and to change it would make it into something altogether different...

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In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:04:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Oh dear – hogging means "being selfish with" or "hoarding"….not…..you know……oh DEAR!

 

That's not Aussie slang, everyone says that.

 

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In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:04:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

hogging means "being selfish with" or "hoarding"….

 

Usually used between spouses regarding the television remote.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/19/2005 11:04:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

hogging means "being selfish with" or "hoarding"….

 

And or the blanket.

 

 

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You know Damon what I would REALLY like to see is Neil's pencils
painted by the guy doing the colour for the new REVOLUTION comics....

That could be very good. I still love the the way good inking looks,
however Neils pencils are very nice and good coloring could do the
trick.

--- "Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> And yes, Neil and I would love to work with you on a

story! But keep it short - I'm hogging him! :) Do
you use that expression in the States?

>
> Michael
>

*** In Beavis & Butt-head, they use the verb "to
bogart" quite often, meaning "to hog, keep to oneself
selfishly" etc. As in: "Hey, Beavis... don't bogart
all the nachos!" - "Shut up, Butt-head! Heh-heh.
Heh-heh."

Regarding a collaboration on a short POTA story, that
sounds like it might be fun!

Here's an idea I was kicking around, though it might
seem like treading-on-familiar-ground that "WITHIN"
has been covering.

In "PLANET" it is established that Cornelius had a
'diggings' site in the Forbidden Zone -- a site that
Zira didn't go to (she refers to HIS work there). But
Cornelius uses the word "we" in regards to his last
expedition a year prior to "PLANET" -- and my take on
this is that he and Milo were co-explorers of the
Forbidden Zone: Cornelius, after mapping a good chunk
of the Zone, eventually goes back to Ape City to
propose his theory to the Academy -- and narrowly
escapes getting his 'head-chopped-off' -- while Milo
continues to explore the Zone alone... eventually
discovering the third ANSA ship on the ocean shore,
etc etc.

But... for a time, they're together in the Zone,
especially at the Cave site -- Cornelius surely didn't
build that long wooden causeway/ramp all by himself,
did he?

I imagined a story (well, a 'prequel' chapter to the
"PLANET" portion of my epic) depicting Cornelius and
Milo at the Cave site, and their discovery of the
artifacts...

In this episode, I speculate that perhaps Cornelius
and Milo were both wooing Zira -- that there was a
love-triangle of sorts going on, and that Zira was
more enamored of Cornelius, to Milo's (perhaps secret)
chagrin.

And, at the Cave site, despite the fact that Cornelius
and Milo are the best of friends, there's this
undercurrent of rivalry...

Remember the line: "We don't kill our enemies... we
get our enemies to kill each other"...? Well, I
imagined a scene where Milo -- a bit angry at
Cornelius for being the 'preferred' one in the love
triangle -- begins to see things that aren't really
there... scary things... maybe the ghost of his dead
father and mother, telling him that HE should be the
one to get Zira (and, thus, give them grandchildren),
which he will... if he can remove Cornelius from the
picture...

In other words, the Mutants try to do to Milo what the
Overlook Hotel does to Jack Torrance in "THE SHINING":
get him to kill someone he cares about, using a
personal weakness against him -- his jealousy over
Zira.

I imagine a moment where Cornelius is asleep, and Milo
finds himself standing over him with a shovel, about
to bash his brains in... maybe even being compelled to
do so, like when Taylor and Brent are later forced to
fight each other...

But the Mutants aren't able to control Milo as easily,
due to the distance involved, perhaps. They can plant
images in his mind, or dredge up memories of dead
relatives and try to manipulate his emotions with
'em... but they can't control him like a puppeteer
controlling a puppet...

... and Milo snaps out of it, horrified at what he
almost did. He realizes that there IS something truly
evil in the Zone, despite his rational doubts about
the Lawgiver's teachings... and eventually parts
company with Cornelius, wishing him the best possible
future with Zira, etc.

In a way, this little 'episode' should have a feel of,
oh, a horror story. A 'ghost' story reminiscent of
Stephen King (the "SHINING" mind-f***) and one of my
favorite horror stories, "PIGEONS FROM HELL" by Robert
E. Howard.

It also gives one way of explaining the fate of those
gorillas who had left their bones in that cave long
ago. How did those gorillas die? Perhaps they were
compelled by mind-manipulating Mutants into being
violent with each other... using their petty grudges
to fan the flames of tantrums leading to fighting
leading to murder. Milo, at one point, might even have
a nightmare where he 'sees' that long-ago event --
which the Mutants still remember, passing it down
through the generations, having generated the incident
themselves -- and he gets the bad feeling that they
are trespassing on 'evil' territory. Before the
Mutants try to compel him to kill Cornelius, they
first try to scare the living shit out of him by
making him think he's having a religious vision
depicting the simian God's punishment of those who
ignore his taboo about the 'forbidden' zone...

I realize that "WITHIN" is already dealing with Milo
and archaological stuff (the Dr. Garvon scenes, etc),
so this particular episode might feel like it's
covering the same ground, though in a rival scenario
(i.e. mine). Anyway, I thought I'd throw the idea out
there. If it's something you think could be
interesting to flesh out into a comic, I'd be more
than happy to write up a treatment, keeping it fairly
simple and straightforward. Keeping the 'dialogue'
perhaps to just diary entries in Milo's journal,
including his descriptions of scenes with Cornelius...
his bad dreams... his secret enmity towards Cornelius
over Zira, etc.

What do you think of that, by the way? The idea that
Milo might have seemed 'antagonistic' with Zira in
"ESCAPE" because, deep down, he wishes she had
preferred HIM rather than Cornelius? He, being the
jilted unrequited lover, transfers his disappointment
into subconscious dislike of his best friend and
rival. And, when he is killed by the primitive
gorilla, Zira is devastated because she knows that he
loved her, and that she and her child (and her
husband) survived Doomsday because Milo wanted to save
them before time ran out...

Such a possibility might explain why he would go to
them, eventually, and to no one else, when it comes
time to reveal his discovery of the ANSA ship. Perhaps
he comes across enough information to suspect that the
world doesn't have much longer to last -- that they
are living in the last year (the "3955" date that
would 'later' be discovered by the President, et al.
in 1973) and that if he wants his best friend and the
gal he wishes he could've married to survive... he
needs to get them to join him at the spaceship...

Let me know what you think, Mike & Neil. If not this
story, I'm sure I can think up some other scenario at
some other point in the 2,000 year timeline of POTA --
perhaps a tale about the Lawgiver himself, and how he
came to know that the Zone was a baaaaad place (not
just because of the ruined skyscrapers, perhaps, but
also maybe because of mind-f***ing mutants...?).

Ciao!

Patrick





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>
> You paying attention Patrick!?!?!? :-)

*** I'm payin' in installments, Mike... just like you're dishin' out
the "WITHIN" strips!

Patrick

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Damon Threet" <damkath@a...> wrote:

> That could be very good. I still love the the way good inking looks,
> however Neils pencils are very nice and good coloring could do the
> trick.

-- I just wish I had the time to colour them myself! Anyway good to
have you back Damon and in answer to the question you asked in a
previous post I do actually find it easier to do the strips in the
Within format than normal comic book format. Even though it seems it
should be more restrictive not being able to vary the sizes of the
panels significantly and using layout to make the story flow, it must
focus my brain more to try and make it work or something!

I checked out your comic and it is coming along very nicely, do you
have this all plotted out or are you making it up as you go along?

Neil