--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> Glad to see he's still around.

-- Yep, uncle M. is still around, he just hasn't been making much of
an appearance lately as he has apparently been on a bit of a bender
but has recently sobered himself up.

Neil ;-)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> BTB was a story that we adapted to make a comic and I really did

kinda rush into that.

-- I think the major flaw with BtB when it is read as a whole is
that you can tell that it was written as 3 page instalments which is
one of the reasons we tried to 'flesh it out' a bit with the extra
pages in the printed version. To me though it still doesn't flow
properly and really does need a complete re-write of the dialog I
think.

> I think it's a good story, but originally there were NO orangs, NO

apes other than Gideon etc and no real aspects of the movie other
than the ship and the timing involved.

> That's why you will find a different version in print where I

added some scenes to give more of a feel of being there at the time
it is set.

> Neil - I think you agree it adds a new dimension?

-- Oh definetly! The extra stuff adds so much more to the original
story.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Patrick Tilton
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> while Milo continues to explore the Zone alone... eventually

discovering the third ANSA ship on the ocean shore, etc etc.

-- More spaceships and FZ landscapes to draw?
Arrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)

Neil

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What's BTB?
 

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Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

FYO ---

Just bought 16mm SCOPE prints of ESCAPE and CONQUEST.

Whitty -- you're buying the beers... :)

Mark.

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OK – does anyone else think Neil's pencils are stronger than his inks?  I think both are superb….so I guess I disagree with Damon on that one…….

Looking at his works, it really is hard to say... To say they're "both good" is an understatement... I can say his works, whichever way, are far superior to ANY works I've seen of late (that includes by various group memebers and the "pros" doing REVOLUTION)<.html <.html

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> OK - does anyone else think Neil's pencils are stronger than his

inks?

-- Well if I stab you in the eye with my pencil it is going to hurt a
lot more than if I stab you with my bottle of ink so I guess my
pencils are stronger than my inks! :-D

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@i...>
wrote:

> Having smelled a lot of artwork in my life, it is my considered
> opinion that inks are always stronger than pencils. Especially if you
> use those felt tip marker thingies in an unventilated room. Makes you
> wonder about Picasso's missing ear, doesn't it?

-- Ha! Absolutely priceless Anthony! Now excuse me while I nip outside
and see if there are any cane toads hanging around my yard. ;-)

Neil

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Hey neil...I have one of those ...I think I posted
that pic....I got it on ebay acouple of years
ago.....as far as I know they only made Zaius....not
sure I have any more info on them....maybe google the
brand name on there....He's about 3 inches tall and 2
inches wide...the box is homemade as well with no more
info on it.....

Tim

--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> I was just having a look through the Group's Photos
> when in the
> Collectibles folder I saw this thing:
>

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp?.dir=/Collectibles

>

<http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp?.dir=/Collectibles&.src

>

=gr&.dnm=paperzaius.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/g

>

roup/potadg/lst%3f%26.dir=/Collectibles%26.src=gr%26.view=t>

>

&.src=gr&.dnm=paperzaius.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.

>

com/group/potadg/lst%3f%26.dir=/Collectibles%26.src=gr%26.view=t

>
> What I was wondering was, does anyone have any
> information about this
> cube dr. Zaius thing? Does anyone here have one?
> When (and where) did
> they come out and were there any others or only the
> good doctor? Any
> answers would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Neil
>
>

__________________________________

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@i...> wrote:

>
> Having smelled a lot of artwork in my life, it is my considered

opinion that inks are always stronger than pencils. Especially if you
use those felt tip marker thingies in an unventilated room. Makes you
wonder about Picasso's missing ear, doesn't it?

>
>
> On Nov 20, 2005, at 9:26 p.m., Michael Whitty wrote:
>
> > OK – does anyone else think Neil's pencils are stronger than his

inks? I think both are superb….so I guess I disagree with Damon on
that one…….

>

*** Wasn't it Van Gogh whose ear went missing? Didn't he cut it off
because a gal broke his heart? Or are you talking about how Picasso's
paintings tend to depict people with skewed features (both eyes on one
side of the head, that sorta thing)...?

Inks or pencils? It's apples & oranges -- both are tasty. I liked when
Ploog did pencils for "TERROR" -- they looked better than when somebody
else inked him (though when he inked his own stuff, it was sweet).

As long as Neil doesn't resort to crayon -- or, like Ally Sheedy
in "THE BREAKFAST CLUB", dandruff -- to draw his POTA pictures, it's
all good!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Tilton
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> > while Milo continues to explore the Zone alone... eventually
> discovering the third ANSA ship on the ocean shore, etc etc.
>
> -- More spaceships and FZ landscapes to draw?
> Arrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)
>
> Neil
>

*** Actually, the story idea I have in mind wouldn't involve drawing
any ANSA ships -- the tale would be set in 3954 (a year before Taylor
lands), when Cornelius and Milo do their digging at the Cave site
(with, perhaps, help from some 'liberal'-minded academic grad
students, to help with building the wooden causeway and truss leading
up to and inside of the Cave...?).

So, as far as drawing FZ landscapes, it'd probably be easier to just
take frame-grabs from "PLANET" of the Cave site (Point Dume & Zuma
Beach) and trace 'em! And, besides, isn't it easier to draw a barren,
rocky landscape than a foliage-ridden one? All those leaves...

Patrick

"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

>Can you tell us what your impression
> of the comic was?
>
>I know you wrote a response that is
>on the MR site, but is there anything
>else you wanted to say?

Not really much to add - I got the email
explaining that Ty was putting together a letters
page for the first issue and was looking for
comments - I had no idea that what I sent back had
been put on the website until I read this!

Alan

Glad you liked it, Neil. :-D

Seriously, though, your pencils and inks are both outstanding - much
better than any of the preview artwork we've seen for the upcoming
comics. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

Now excuse me while I sing:

"Don't go changing...
To try to please me.
I love you just the way you are!"

On Nov 21, 2005, at 5:04 a.m., Neil wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@i...>
> wrote:
>> Having smelled a lot of artwork in my life, it is my considered
>> opinion that inks are always stronger than pencils. Especially if you
>> use those felt tip marker thingies in an unventilated room. Makes you
>> wonder about Picasso's missing ear, doesn't it?
>
> -- Ha! Absolutely priceless Anthony! Now excuse me while I nip
> outside
> and see if there are any cane toads hanging around my yard. ;-)
>
> Neil

On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:49 a.m., patrickmichaeltilton wrote:

> *** Wasn't it Van Gogh whose ear went missing? Didn't he cut it off
> because a gal broke his heart? Or are you talking about how Picasso's
> paintings tend to depict people with skewed features (both eyes on one
> side of the head, that sorta thing)...?
>
> Inks or pencils? It's apples & oranges -- both are tasty. I liked when
> Ploog did pencils for "TERROR" -- they looked better than when
> somebody
> else inked him (though when he inked his own stuff, it was sweet).
>
> As long as Neil doesn't resort to crayon -- or, like Ally Sheedy
> in "THE BREAKFAST CLUB", dandruff -- to draw his POTA pictures, it's
> all good!
>
> Patrick

Sorry to confuse you, Patrick. The Picasso comment was something we
here on Earth like to call a "JOKE." Everyone knows about van Gogh's
ear, therefore the unexpected attribution to Picasso creates a
momentary "hiccough" in the mind as the data is processed and
eventually rejected. It's sort of like a jigsaw puzzle piece that
looks like it fits until you get it in place.

I'm sure Neil's crayon work is just as awesome as his pencils and
inks. The man has talent.

Dandruff I'm not so sure about. I can never get mine to stay in place
on the scanner.

Anthony

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> Hey neil...I have one of those ...I think I posted
> that pic....I got it on ebay acouple of years
> ago.....as far as I know they only made Zaius....not
> sure I have any more info on them....maybe google the
> brand name on there....He's about 3 inches tall and 2
> inches wide...the box is homemade as well with no more
> info on it.....

Thanks for the info Tim. So the thing is a homemade job then? I was
thinking it was maybe some sort of professionally produced thing.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> And, besides, isn't it easier to draw a barren,
> rocky landscape than a foliage-ridden one? All those leaves...

-- You would think so wouldn't you Patrick? But have you really
studied how much detail there is in rocky landscapes? Check out the
backgrounds in Beast! Or maybe its just that I'm a detail junkie! ;-)

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@i...>
wrote:

> Glad you liked it, Neil. :-D
> Seriously, though, your pencils and inks are both outstanding - much

better than any of the preview artwork we've seen for the upcoming
comics. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

-- Then why does that Whitty bloke say, when he sees anything new I've
done, that "it's okay but you could do a lot better if you really
tried." ;-)

> Now excuse me while I sing:
> "Don't go changing...
> To try to please me.
> I love you just the way you are!"

-- Awwww, now you've got me blushing.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> Inks or pencils? It's apples & oranges -- both are tasty. I liked

when Ploog did pencils for "TERROR" -- they looked better than when
somebody else inked him (though when he inked his own stuff, it was
sweet).

-- I'd have to agree with you 100 percent on that.

> As long as Neil doesn't resort to crayon -- or, like Ally Sheedy
> in "THE BREAKFAST CLUB", dandruff -- to draw his POTA pictures, it's
> all good!

-- Dandruff hey? Well I'd have to grow some hair to be able to do that
I suppose. There is an artist who's work I saw over here once who
painted with Vegemite (an Aussie 'concentrated yeast extract' spread)!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> It's so obvious that monkeys and apes are our relatives, they have

all our bad habits.

-- Well most of them anyway. As long as they don't start writing rap
songs we're okay for the moment but once they take control, who
knows?...

Neil

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@... > wrote:

>OK so he didn't mention who organised
>or you to get them like he did in the email
>the others got?

Nope - and since the emails I received were only
addressed to John, Dave and myself I had assumed
it had come via Scrolls (since I know someone at
Scrolls had been speaking to Ty in advance of the
new series coming out). But if it was from you
then thanks.

Alan

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>
> Well, "if" that's a genuine "thanks" then you are welcome.

"Yes," "it" "was."

"Alan"

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Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 1840

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> Well, "if" that's a genuine "thanks" then you are welcome.

"Yes," "it" "was."

"Alan"

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Ahhh.....then you "are" welcome!
>
> It's always so rewarding being associated with "our good friends at
> Scrolls"!

This seems like an appropriate point at which to say that I will be
going offline for a week or so after tomorrow for personal reasons, and
I'm not entirely sure when I'll be back on again - thought I'd mention
it now just so that nobody thinks I've gone off in the huff or anything!

Alan

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> Ahhh.....then you "are" welcome!
> 
> It's always so rewarding being associated with "our good friends at
> Scrolls"!

This seems like an appropriate point at which to say that I will be
going offline for a week or so after tomorrow for personal reasons, and
I'm not entirely sure when I'll be back on again - thought I'd mention
it now just so that nobody thinks I've gone off in the huff or anything!

Alan

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Damn hippy monkey!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PhoenixCa7@a... wrote:
> > This was just too funny! Thanks for the laugh! Priceless!!
>
> -- You think that was funny, it seems real life is even funnier! This
> article about a 'junkie monkey' was in our Sunday paper.
>
> Read it here:
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/junkie%20monkey.jpg>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/junkie%20monkey.jpg
>
>
> He's out of his tree in his tree! ;-)
>
> Neil
>

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In a message dated 11/21/2005 2:35:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Is there a reason none of you have even thanked me?

 

Because you're always fishing for complements.

It's very unbecoming.  But seriously, a big thank

you to you, and an even bigger one to Neil.  I'm

always in awe of people who can draw.  It's one

thing to think of something, but capturing it on

paper amazes me.  Most of my stuff looks like

a caveman's kinder gardener.  Very primitive.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/21/2005 2:52:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Check out the backgrounds in Beast! Or maybe its just that I'm a detail junkie! ;-)

 

That's what makes you such a good artist.

You're stuff actually looks like who it's supposed to.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Our Good Friends At Scrolls....."?

In a message dated 11/21/2005 2:35:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Is there a reason none of you have even thanked me?

 

Because you're always fishing for complements.

It's very unbecoming.  But seriously, a big thank

you to you, and an even bigger one to Neil.  I'm

always in awe of people who can draw.  It's one

thing to think of something, but capturing it on

paper amazes me.  Most of my stuff looks like

a caveman's kinder gardener.  Very primitive.

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In a message dated 11/21/2005 7:02:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Neil is nothing without me!

 

And I don't fish I BEG!!

Please say something nice - PLEAAAAASSSSEEE!!!!  ;)

 

Oh I dunno.  I think Neil could write, if he wasn't so

busy drawing.  And I'll only heap more praise on you

if you don't make us beg . . . for the next installments.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Fishing

In a message dated 11/21/2005 7:02:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Neil is nothing without me!

 

And I don't fish I BEG!!

Please say something nice - PLEAAAAASSSSEEE!!!!  ;)

 

Oh I dunno.  I think Neil could write, if he wasn't so

busy drawing.  And I'll only heap more praise on you

if you don't make us beg . . . for the next installments.

 

.html.html In a message dated 11/20/05 10:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sparkytb@... writes:

FYO ---

Just bought 16mm SCOPE prints of ESCAPE and CONQUEST.



Mark.

If they're "scope" does that mean you watch them "squeezed" or do you have an anamorphic lens on your projector to view them in their proper Panavision dimensions?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:59 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: possible collaboration project...

In a message dated 11/21/2005 2:52:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Check out the backgrounds in Beast! Or maybe its just that I'm a detail junkie! ;-)

 

That's what makes you such a good artist.

You're stuff actually looks like who it's supposed to.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:37 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Movies BIG ON YOUR WALL

In a message dated 11/20/05 10:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sparkytb@... writes:

FYO ---

Just bought 16mm SCOPE prints of ESCAPE and CONQUEST.



Mark.

If they're "scope" does that mean you watch them "squeezed" or do you have an anamorphic lens on your projector to view them in their proper Panavision dimensions?

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 11/21/05 8:40:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

RORY, HAVE YOU READ ANY OF THE WITHIN STRIPS YET?!?!?!?

No.  I haven't had the time.  They better be in the files section of this group.
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Fishing

In a message dated 11/21/2005 7:02:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Neil is nothing without me!

 

And I don't fish I BEG!!

Please say something nice - PLEAAAAASSSSEEE!!!!  ;)

 

Oh I dunno.  I think Neil could write, if he wasn't so

busy drawing.  And I'll only heap more praise on you

if you don't make us beg . . . for the next installments.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:45 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Movies BIG ON YOUR WALL

In a message dated 11/21/05 8:40:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

RORY, HAVE YOU READ ANY OF THE WITHIN STRIPS YET?!?!?!?

No.  I haven't had the time.  They better be in the files section of this group.

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.html.html In a message dated 11/21/05 8:52:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

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DG Photos?  Oh, brother!<.html <.html

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"King Kong died for our sins." It's a T-shirt seen recently in Seattle, worn by a teenager and illustrated with the original vintage image of the monster ape atop the Empire State Building. An image from 1933, when this iPod-age kid's great-grandparents were ready to replace Herbert Hoover with FDR. Like religious iconography, some elements from movie history — a capricious, unforeseeable few — have achieved a sort of transcendence. Chaplin's Little Tramp. Darth Vader's mask. They're written into the hard drive of our culture, glyphs recognized instantly even if you've had no direct contact with their sources. It's no surprise then to see that on King Kong 's first, and superb, DVD release, two generations of filmmakers are on record praising this pioneering film as influential beyond its action-adventure-monster-thriller aims. In the new commentary track, special-effects master Ray Harryhausen (with colleague Ken Ralston) tells us that as a boy he first viewed Kong at its Grauman's Chinese Theatre premiere, and that it irrevocably altered the course of his life. Without Kong , the movies that showcased Harryhausen's effects work in the 1950s and '60s would have never been made, movies that have themselves inspired later filmmakers such as Landis, Lucas, and Spielberg. Harryhausen's Hollywood star is now across the street from where it all began for him. Elsewhere within this two-disc celebration is a terrific new "making-of" documentary. That's where Peter Jackson — demonstrably the most well-connected Kongophile on the planet — gushes about first experiencing this old black-and-white fantasy at age 12. He credits it with kick-starting his desire to make movies. Without Kong, would we now have Jackson's Lord of the Rings? Would Lucas have made Star Wars?  Would Arthur Jacobs have made Planet of the Apes? And if not, where would we, or Hollywood, be today? Hear that sound? That's dominoes toppling like little 2001 monoliths.

That big ape's fingerprints are everywhere. Jack Kerouac gave King Kong (along with Lamont Cranston, Popeye, and the Marx Brothers) credit for originating the Beat Generation. "Whatever happened to Fay Wray?" asks The Rocky Horror Picture Show . Kong's Lilliputian blond love interest gained a curious immortality: While she did little more than scream and look beautiful, we remember Fay Wray's name, not Ann Darrow, as the girl held in that hairy paw. The actress couldn't have known that hers would be the other household name to emerge from RKO's hush-hush project, which was one of her eleven films released in '33. How many people today remember that Robert Armstrong played the reckless impresario Carl Denham? Denham was, in fact, a thinly fictionalized alter ego for producer Merian C. Cooper, an adventurer whose flamboyant Indiana Jones life deserves its own full-length documentary (which, incidentally, is on Disc Two). Even Bruce Cabot as the two-fisted hero, First Mate Jack Driscoll, is forgotten to all but the aficionados. Granted, his dry, aw-shucks performance makes him the least memorable lead, but something about it adds to Kong 's abundant naive charms. What Wray likely did know was that this was a project rife with firsts. The film practically invented sound design. Max Steiner's symphonic score taught the movies how to use original music. The screenplay, as lean and straight as an arrow, is a model for how to ground the most outrageous fantasy in the mundane, the everyday, so that we buy even a prehistoric jungle filled with otherworldly terrors. Best of all, of course, are Willis O'Brien's groundbreaking stop-motion creature performances, which imbued tabletop models with character and nuance. When the T-Rex scratches its head like a cocker spaniel, and the brontosaur sneers at its upcoming human Slim Jim, suddenly they're living things, not just props. When Kong kills the T-Rex by breaking open its jaw, we wince at the brutal realism of it. Kong's longevity began when O'Brien gave the 18-inch-tall puppet more humanity and personality than we see from the flesh-and-blood actors onscreen. After the climax's Manhattan rampage, when Kong plummets off the Empire State Building, we don't feel triumph for our side. No Death Star explosion hurrahs here. Whether Kong or Denham is the movie's genuine monster remains an open question.

Calling King Kong the Star Wars of its day sounds too pat, though it's accurate enough. A rousing story with huge, never-seen-before visuals. All-day showings for lines of ticket-buyers around the block. Star Wars arrived fortuitously when we needed it most, the malaise of the 1970s. When King Kong debuted during the rock-bottom of the Depression, it gave people what they really wanted to see: a giant ape giving Wall Street a thrashing. Entire books have explored why King Kong 's potency endures long after so much of it has become dated by evolving styles, techniques, and expectations. (It's not perfect, it's just great.) There are exegeses about metaphors for the immigrant experience in America, the symbolism of Nature vs. Civilization, and Freudian or Jungian interpretations (that Empire State Building looks mighty suggestive). There's some truth there, probably. Somehow Kong taps our brain's collective dream-level to strike a mythopoetic, universal note. Cooper, though, would snort at such ex post facto blather. He just aimed to make a rip-roaring good picture. Whatever else it is, King Kong is that. The better part of a century later, it's still a hell of a lot of fun. That's all we want and all it needs to be. Pretty cool about that T-shirt, though.

*          *          *

It took eight years for the Eighth Wonder of the World to hit DVD. Everyone involved wanted to get it right, and there's no question that they succeeded. Warner's King Kong DVD presents a print newly restored from the best available source materials. Sharper, cleaner, and far more vivid than previous home video editions, this restoration really brings out the beautiful composite visuals, which pack the screen with almost three-dimensional dreamscapes. Even if you've seen the film dozens of times, you're bound to notice details you've never seen before. Just as important, it hasn't been over -restored. We still see just enough grain and minor hairline scratches to remind us that the original elements are long gone, though neither do we get a polish so shiny that we're always aware of a digital lacquering. The DD 1.0 audio is likewise clean and robust with just enough enhancement. The extras are a treasure box for hardcore and casual fans alike. The commentary with Ray Harryhausen and Ken Ralston isn't deep (technical info doesn't go beyond Kong 101), but it is an enjoyable sit-down with two knowledgeable enthusiasts sharing their pleasure of the film. (The commentary also includes a few archival inserts from Merian C. Cooper and Fay Wray.) Disc Two's highlights are two excellent documentaries. I'm Kong: The Exploits of Merian C. Cooper (60 min.) is a 2005 production from TCM and Photoplay, co-directed by film historian Kevin Brownlow. Cooper, along with longtime friend and co-producer/adventurer/explorer Ernest B. Schoedsack, is revealed as man movies should be about. Then clocking in at a speedy two and half hours, RKO Production 601: The Making of Kong is a seven-part archeological dig into the film's conception, production, and legacy. Peter Jackson joins historians, film professionals, effects artisans, and other deep-dyed fans in one of the best "making-of" testimonials to be seen anywhere. Its most notable segment details Jackson's painstaking pseudo-recreation of the famous Lost Spider Pit Sequence, by itself worth the sticker-price for devotees. Rounding out the extras are a gallery of eight Merian C. Cooper movie trailers, and test footage (with Harryhausen's commentary) for Willis O'Brien's aborted film Creation , which convinced Cooper of O'Brien's rightness for Kong . The discs' double slimline case comes packed in an embossed tin box. Also inside is a reproduction of the program book from the Grauman's premiere, and a set of postcard-size Kong posters.
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I think they are in the files section of the DG PHOTOS group and I sent you an invite for that group mister! 

DG Photos?  Oh, brother!

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It's in stores tomorrow!!!

From www.dvdjournal.com:
King Kong: Two-Disc Collector's Edition

"King Kong died for our sins." It's a T-shirt seen recently in Seattle, worn by a teenager and illustrated with the original vintage image of the monster ape atop the Empire State Building. An image from 1933, when this iPod-age kid's great-grandparents were ready to replace Herbert Hoover with FDR. Like religious iconography, some elements from movie history — a capricious, unforeseeable few — have achieved a sort of transcendence. Chaplin's Little Tramp. Darth Vader's mask. They're written into the hard drive of our culture, glyphs recognized instantly even if you've had no direct contact with their sources. It's no surprise then to see that on King Kong's first, and superb, DVD release, two generations of filmmakers are on record praising this pioneering film as influential beyond its action-adventure-monster-thriller aims. In the new commentary track, special-effects master Ray Harryhausen (with colleague Ken Ralston) tells us that as a boy he first viewed Kong at its Grauman's Chinese Theatre premiere, and that it irrevocably altered the course of his life. Without Kong, the movies that showcased Harryhausen's effects work in the 1950s and '60s would have never been made, movies that have themselves inspired later filmmakers such as Landis, Lucas, and Spielberg. Harryhausen's Hollywood star is now across the street from where it all began for him. Elsewhere within this two-disc celebration is a terrific new "making-of" documentary. That's where Peter Jackson — demonstrably the most well-connected Kongophile on the planet — gushes about first experiencing this old black-and-white fantasy at age 12. He credits it with kick-starting his desire to make movies. Without Kong, would we now have Jackson's Lord of the Rings? Would Lucas have made Star Wars?  Would Arthur Jacobs have made Planet of the Apes? And if not, where would we, or Hollywood, be today? Hear that sound? That's dominoes toppling like little 2001 monoliths.

That big ape's fingerprints are everywhere. Jack Kerouac gave King Kong (along with Lamont Cranston, Popeye, and the Marx Brothers) credit for originating the Beat Generation. "Whatever happened to Fay Wray?" asks The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Kong's Lilliputian blond love interest gained a curious immortality: While she did little more than scream and look beautiful, we remember Fay Wray's name, not Ann Darrow, as the girl held in that hairy paw. The actress couldn't have known that hers would be the other household name to emerge from RKO's hush-hush project, which was one of her eleven films released in '33. How many people today remember that Robert Armstrong played the reckless impresario Carl Denham? Denham was, in fact, a thinly fictionalized alter ego for producer Merian C. Cooper, an adventurer whose flamboyant Indiana Jones life deserves its own full-length documentary (which, incidentally, is on Disc Two). Even Bruce Cabot as the two-fisted hero, First Mate Jack Driscoll, is forgotten to all but the aficionados. Granted, his dry, aw-shucks performance makes him the least memorable lead, but something about it adds to Kong's abundant naive charms. What Wray likely did know was that this was a project rife with firsts. The film practically invented sound design. Max Steiner's symphonic score taught the movies how to use original music. The screenplay, as lean and straight as an arrow, is a model for how to ground the most outrageous fantasy in the mundane, the everyday, so that we buy even a prehistoric jungle filled with otherworldly terrors. Best of all, of course, are Willis O'Brien's groundbreaking stop-motion creature performances, which imbued tabletop models with character and nuance. When the T-Rex scratches its head like a cocker spaniel, and the brontosaur sneers at its upcoming human Slim Jim, suddenly they're living things, not just props. When Kong kills the T-Rex by breaking open its jaw, we wince at the brutal realism of it. Kong's longevity began when O'Brien gave the 18-inch-tall puppet more humanity and personality than we see from the flesh-and-blood actors onscreen. After the climax's Manhattan rampage, when Kong plummets off the Empire State Building, we don't feel triumph for our side. No Death Star explosion hurrahs here. Whether Kong or Denham is the movie's genuine monster remains an open question.

Calling King Kong the Star Wars of its day sounds too pat, though it's accurate enough. A rousing story with huge, never-seen-before visuals. All-day showings for lines of ticket-buyers around the block. Star Wars arrived fortuitously when we needed it most, the malaise of the 1970s. When King Kong debuted during the rock-bottom of the Depression, it gave people what they really wanted to see: a giant ape giving Wall Street a thrashing. Entire books have explored why King Kong's potency endures long after so much of it has become dated by evolving styles, techniques, and expectations. (It's not perfect, it's just great.) There are exegeses about metaphors for the immigrant experience in America, the symbolism of Nature vs. Civilization, and Freudian or Jungian interpretations (that Empire State Building looks mighty suggestive). There's some truth there, probably. Somehow Kong taps our brain's collective dream-level to strike a mythopoetic, universal note. Cooper, though, would snort at such ex post facto blather. He just aimed to make a rip-roaring good picture. Whatever else it is, King Kong is that. The better part of a century later, it's still a hell of a lot of fun. That's all we want and all it needs to be. Pretty cool about that T-shirt, though.

*          *          *

It took eight years for the Eighth Wonder of the World to hit DVD. Everyone involved wanted to get it right, and there's no question that they succeeded. Warner's King Kong DVD presents a print newly restored from the best available source materials. Sharper, cleaner, and far more vivid than previous home video editions, this restoration really brings out the beautiful composite visuals, which pack the screen with almost three-dimensional dreamscapes. Even if you've seen the film dozens of times, you're bound to notice details you've never seen before. Just as important, it hasn't been over-restored. We still see just enough grain and minor hairline scratches to remind us that the original elements are long gone, though neither do we get a polish so shiny that we're always aware of a digital lacquering. The DD 1.0 audio is likewise clean and robust with just enough enhancement. The extras are a treasure box for hardcore and casual fans alike. The commentary with Ray Harryhausen and Ken Ralston isn't deep (technical info doesn't go beyond Kong 101), but it is an enjoyable sit-down with two knowledgeable enthusiasts sharing their pleasure of the film. (The commentary also includes a few archival inserts from Merian C. Cooper and Fay Wray.) Disc Two's highlights are two excellent documentaries. I'm Kong: The Exploits of Merian C. Cooper (60 min.) is a 2005 production from TCM and Photoplay, co-directed by film historian Kevin Brownlow. Cooper, along with longtime friend and co-producer/adventurer/explorer Ernest B. Schoedsack, is revealed as man movies should be about. Then clocking in at a speedy two and half hours, RKO Production 601: The Making of Kong is a seven-part archeological dig into the film's conception, production, and legacy. Peter Jackson joins historians, film professionals, effects artisans, and other deep-dyed fans in one of the best "making-of" testimonials to be seen anywhere. Its most notable segment details Jackson's painstaking pseudo-recreation of the famous Lost Spider Pit Sequence, by itself worth the sticker-price for devotees. Rounding out the extras are a gallery of eight Merian C. Cooper movie trailers, and test footage (with Harryhausen's commentary) for Willis O'Brien's aborted film Creation, which convinced Cooper of O'Brien's rightness for Kong. The discs' double slimline case comes packed in an embossed tin box. Also inside is a reproduction of the program book from the Grauman's premiere, and a set of postcard-size Kong posters.
—Mark Bourne

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No...I think somebody just made them on their
computer.....I'm thinking he made several characters

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the info Tim. So the thing is a homemade
> job then? I was
> thinking it was maybe some sort of professionally
> produced thing.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>

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I'm not sure Neil but I do believe it is home made

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I'm not sure Neil but I do believe it is home made

I AM sure of this... It is C R A P !!!!!!!

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Hey - I made that!  ;)
 
AND Tim paid me $100 for it!!!!!


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YAY !

 

The I can throw out the VHS I bought!

 

When there are kids in China

starving for entertainment?

What a waste!

 

 

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> Hey yeah - Neil is in a good mood today! He's all tranqued up and

ready to go so....

-- Yeah one of the many good things about living in Queensland is that
it is the Cane Toad capitol of Australia.

> HEY NEIL, CAN WE SHOW A NEW WITHIN??!?!??

-- Another!?! Already? Bit soon isn't it?

> (he he heeee...that puts more pressure on him to finish the rest!).

-- And with the pressure comes mistakes...

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I heard that rumour too. I can't to find out if it's true. ;p

 

 

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> > Hey - I made that! ;)
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-- And with the pressure comes mistakes...

That's right... Look at Tim Burton and the crew, they were under pressure to meet that July deadline and look what came out of it!

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You said it Chris.

I'm probably not alone in saying that this is my favorite panel (at
least so far!).
Just awesome even seeing it again after all this time. I can
practically hear Maurice speaking just looking at it.

Thanks again for this one Neil!

Dario

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This has been bothering me for a while, so I'll run it up this DG
flagpole and see how it flies...

In "PLANET" it is established that the Apes aren't allowed to travel
anywhere unless they get a "Travel Permit".

Cornelius had gotten one of these Travel Permits in order to travel
to a site for his archaeological work a year before "PLANET", and
that site had to have been SOMEWHERE ELSE -- i.e. it wasn't the Cave
site in the Forbidden Zone, since Zaius (et al.) wouldn't have
approved of him traveling into the Zone.

I'm gonna refer to this 'other' site as the DECOY SITE. The REAL site
he was interested in was to be found in the Forbidden Zone (the
Cave), and all the time he was at it, finding those human-made
artifacts, Zaius and the Academy were under the false impression that
Cornelius was doing work at the Decoy Site... perhaps, until somebody
tipped 'em off, and they put a halt to the whole charade.

At some point, though, Cornelius appeared before the Academy and told
them about the Theory he had formulated -- based on his archaological
work, which he probably didn't mention to them -- to explain Simian
origins: Evolution.

As he says to Zira, when Taylor's with them writing his 'impossible'
questions/answers, his radical theory that Apes EVOLVED from a lower
order of Primate -- possibly Man -- was/is "probably wrong", though a
year ago he had thought he was right... but then HALF THE ACADEMY
considered it to be HERESY, so he recanted it, like Galileo being
forced to recant the Sun-centered theory of the Solar System.

THIS is what's bothering me: Why does the President of the Academy,
during the Tribunal, react with shocked surprise when Cornelius
admits that he himself had BEEN to the Forbidden Zone a year earlier
and, hence, is qualified to verify that Taylor's description of it in
his written testimony (etc) is accurate?

"YOU entered the Forbidden Zone?!!!"

Why is the President of the Academy shocked to hear this? What was he
doing a year earlier, when HALF THE ACADEMY -- upon hearing of
Cornelius' theory of Evolution -- pronounced it a heresy?

In the Tribunal, Honorius asserts that Cornelius is a "perverted
scientist" who had promulgated an "insidious theory called
Evolution". Is he telling the Academy's President something he
doesn't already know???

Why didn't the President of the Academy know all this? Was he on
vacation a year earlier, leaving the administering of the Academy to,
say, the Vice President of the Academy, and when he got back to work
nobody bothered to clue him in that Cornelius had dared to put forth
a heretical notion that had almost gotten his 'head chopped off'
(figuratively, anyway, if not literally)?

How many people knew that Cornelius had been in the Forbidden Zone?
Did the Academy -- when he proposed his Evolution theory -- know that
he had based his theory on his archaological work IN THE FORBIDDEN
ZONE ITSELF? Or, did he purposely avoid mentioning his findings from
that Cave site in the Forbidden Zone, and present the theory using
only the 'known' evidence that Ape Science had accumulated to that
point?

The best I can figure it is this:

1) Cornelius and certain unnamed others (definitely Milo, and perhaps
some other like-minded Chimps, perhaps some grad-students in the
Academy that Cornelius taught and were loyal to him) established
FIRST a Decoy Site where the Academy would THINK he was doing his
archaological work... and then SECOND, helped out at the Cave site in
the Forbidden Zone, helping to build the wooden trusswork, the ramp,
etc etc, leading to and up into that Cave, perhaps as part of
a 'field-trip' for their science courses.

2) Somehow, Zaius found out that there was no real work going on at
the Decoy Site -- he found out that it WAS a decoy site -- and that
Cornelius' REAL work was being done somewhere where he was not
authorized to go: the Forbidden Zone. He had "exceeded his orders",
and Zaius had his travel permit cancelled immediately.

3) Zaius probably discovered this NOT on-site in the Forbidden Zone,
but perhaps at the Decoy Site, and Cornelius was taken into custody
while he happened to be in the 'habitable' area (i.e. he wasn't
apprehended in the Forbidden Zone).

4) Nevertheless, Cornelius had removed some of the evidence from that
Cave site and brought it with him; Zaius later mentions that he has
already seen some of his evidence, and pronounced it "worthless" --
but there is no indication that Zaius had already been to the Cave
site prior to the end scenes of "PLANET": chances are, if he HAD been
there and seen the human bones, the human Doll, etc... he would've
had those artifacts destroyed THEN, and not left them there to cause
trouble later on. The only reason those artifacts were still there
for Cornelius to show to him and Taylor, a year later, was because
Zaius hadn't already destroyed them... because he hadn't known where
that Site in the Forbidden Zone was. Once Cornelius was apprehended,
and not allowed to travel anymore, that 'forbidden' Site would
be "out of sight, out of mind"...

5) Apprehending Cornelius in the 'safe' areas (probably at his Decoy
Site) was the only thing that protected the artifacts at the Cave
Site; Zaius might not have been able to find that Cave Site in order
to destroy it at that time -- Cornelius (and the others in cahoots
with him) would've guarded that secret from Zaius, feigning no
knowledge of it.

6) A year later, when Zira, Taylor, and Cornelius flee into the
Forbidden Zone, Zaius has to follow after them. How does he know
which way to go? He hadn't been to the Cave before (else he would've
already blown it up, I think). At the place where
Zira/Lucius/Taylor/Nova rendezvous with Cornelius, it is mentioned
that the mounted police would probably be able to track them to that
place, so that they should be going... "to the diggings" he'd been at
a year ago...

7) The police, with Zaius, had to track their movements, then, from
that rendezvous point to the Cave. Following horse-hooves tracks
through grassy fields would be easy. But after that? When the terrain
becomes rocky? How do you follow them then?

8) In a word: HORSESHIT. They didn't know which direction into the
Forbidden Zone to pursue the fugitives... they didn't know WHERE in
the Zone Cornelius' diggings were at... but they managed to follow
him, I think, by following the literal horse-manure droppings that
were left like a trail of breadcrumbs! It's not as if there was a
paved road leading through the Forbidden Zone conveniently to the
Cave on the seashore!

This is all open to argument, of course, and I'd like to hear some
other thoughts about this.

I think it can be deduced that Cornelius didn't reveal to the Academy
that he had made archaological discoveries in the Forbidden Zone, and
that his theory of Simian Evolution had to have been based on the
evidence 'known' to his contemporaries, excluding the specific
artifactual evidence that ONLY HE (and his cohorts) knew about, from
the Cave.

It suited Zaius to keep ALL knowledge of Cornelius' trip to and
archaological work in the Forbidden Zone to be COVERED UP. Not even
the President of the Academy would be clued in! Zaius was "the
Guardian of the Terrible Secret", and that meant that he would keep
EVERYONE in the dark about certain matters... including the top ape
in the government.

I wonder if the President of the Academy -- on discovering at that
Tribunal that Cornelius had been to the Forbidden Zone A YEAR BEFORE
and had done archaological work there -- ever asked himself: "Why was
I never told about this??? Why didn't Zaius, who KNEW of this, bother
to INFORM me about it? Why am I only NOW learning about this, at this
Hearing regarding this talking animal???"

You'd think the leader of the Ape Government would have "the Need To
Know"... but not in Zaius' estimation. What did the President know,
and when did he know it? And this was years before Watergate...

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 11-23-2005

Well, Patrick, thats a plethora of possibilities. And, while I am one
who often points out the inconsistencies in many a movie and show, the
Apes have always been safer in that I can keep reminding myself that it
is science FICTION. And in fiction, while its preferred, things do not
have to make sense. :D

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of ironman1188
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Question or two to ponder...

Well, Patrick, thats a plethora of possibilities. And, while I am one
who often points out the inconsistencies in many a movie and show, the
Apes have always been safer in that I can keep reminding myself that it
is science FICTION. And in fiction, while its preferred, things do not
have to make sense. :D

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:22 PM
To: friends & fugitives; pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 58

Happy Thanksgiving to our U.S. readers (and a belated Happy Thanksgiving to those in Canada who celebrated last month). Among the the things I'm thankful for this year is the fact that my in-laws have high-speed Internet access so that I only have to break away from spending time with my nephews for a few minutes to confirm for you that the latest Marvel UK issue is now available to download from Hunter's site.

 

Cornelius and Zira don't have much to be thankful for in this week's installment of the Escape adaptation. Cornelius isn't pleased to see his wife getting stuck with needles and Zira's being forced to tell her interrogators all about the atrocities she performed on humans.

 

Letter column fans will be thankful for a double-page installment this week.

 

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

 

Greg

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Hmmm... I don't think of the things I pointed out as
inconsistencies. I think it's all part of the
back-story that Serling & Wilson put in. They didn't
flesh out all the details, but left it to the audience
to examine in retrospect. Like the stuff Dr. Galen
mentions to Zira about "the Quota System" and all
that. The dialogue contains hints here and there that
give us more of the societal backdrop for the 'now'
events involving Taylor, Zira, etc. I think we (the
audience) are meant to take the clues given in the
dialogue and then make sense of it, to understand the
actions of the characters 'now'. I would argue that it
SHOULD make sense, and it does, if you follow the
clues to their logical conclusion.

But MY conclusions are just that, and I was hoping to
open it up for some discussion. Some alternate
hypotheses, others' attempts to reach perhaps
differing conclusions regarding this back-story.

Patrick


--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> Oh you are SOoo....lucky to have that attitude!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> ironman1188

>
> Well, Patrick, thats a plethora of possibilities.
> And, while I am one who often points out the

inconsistencies in many a movie and show, the Apes
have always been safer in that I can keep reminding
myself that it is science FICTION. And in fiction,
while its preferred, things do not have to make sense.
:D





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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: A Question or two to ponder...

Hmmm... I don't think of the things I pointed out as
inconsistencies. I think it's all part of the
back-story that Serling & Wilson put in. They didn't
flesh out all the details, but left it to the audience
to examine in retrospect. Like the stuff Dr. Galen
mentions to Zira about "the Quota System" and all
that. The dialogue contains hints here and there that
give us more of the societal backdrop for the 'now'
events involving Taylor, Zira, etc. I think we (the
audience) are meant to take the clues given in the
dialogue and then make sense of it, to understand the
actions of the characters 'now'. I would argue that it
SHOULD make sense, and it does, if you follow the
clues to their logical conclusion.

But MY conclusions are just that, and I was hoping to
open it up for some discussion. Some alternate
hypotheses, others' attempts to reach perhaps
differing conclusions regarding this back-story.

Patrick


--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> Oh you are SOoo....lucky to have that attitude!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
> ironman1188

>
> Well, Patrick, thats a plethora of possibilities.
> And, while I am one who often points out the
inconsistencies in many a movie and show, the Apes
have always been safer in that I can keep reminding
myself that it is science FICTION. And in fiction,
while its preferred, things do not have to make sense.
:D



     
           
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>>>I can keep reminding myself that it is science FICTION. And

in fiction,

>>>while its preferred, things do not have to make

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neet-O-Rama
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:52 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: A Question or two to ponder...

>>>I can keep reminding myself that it is science FICTION. And in fiction,
>>>while its preferred, things do not have to make sense.

 

But if it is SCIENCE fiction it had better make sense, follow logic, science, facts, physics, math whatever or it becomes science FANTASY

 

Star Wars, for example, is not Science Fiction, no matter how enjoyable it is.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of taebokitti@...
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:29 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fwd: [PotaDG] Within the Planet of the Apes strip #21

I like the phrase "a nest of humans". Very creative and great artwork as usual. Elaine

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.html.html In a message dated 11/23/2005 5:29:27 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I like the phrase "a nest of humans."

That's right out of PLANET... (Dr. Zaius to Taylor: "Where's your nest Taylor? Where are your women?")

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.html.html In a message dated 11/23/2005 6:13:46 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

8) In a word: HORSESHIT. They didn't know which direction into the
Forbidden Zone to pursue the fugitives... they didn't know WHERE in
the Zone Cornelius' diggings were at... but they managed to follow
him, I think, by following the literal horse-manure droppings that
were left like a trail of breadcrumbs!

There is no way that those horses could generate that much manure to create a literal "path"...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] A Question or two to ponder...

In a message dated 11/23/2005 6:13:46 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

8) In a word: HORSESHIT. They didn't know which direction into the
Forbidden Zone to pursue the fugitives... they didn't know WHERE in
the Zone Cornelius' diggings were at... but they managed to follow
him, I think, by following the literal horse-manure droppings that
were left like a trail of breadcrumbs!

There is no way that those horses could generate that much manure to create a literal "path"...

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