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Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 11:50 AM
To: potadg@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com; friends & fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 99

The latest issue is now available to download a little early from Hunter's site. With the end (for now) of the Terror storyline it's time to start something new in the lead-in to the big 100th issue due next week. What do the Marvel UK editor's have up their sleeves? Why it's nothing less than the return of Derek Zane, the only 20th century man to intentionally journey to the Planet of the Apes. Last seen in issues 85 and 86, lets see what exciting new adventure he's embarking on now...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> Well, this is frustrating. I just check Diamond Comics web site to

see what else was going to be coming in this week along with
Revolution on the Planet of the Apes #6. Per my post below (and the
still-active link to last week's list of books expected to ship this
week), Revolution #6 was scheduled to ship to comic shops this week.

> Now that the official list of all comics shipping this week has

been posted on Diamond's site, Revolution #6 is no longer on it.


DAMMIT! I was so looking forward to it, too. Arrgh!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:

> -- What you are saying here seems rather stupid as I'm sure we are

all able to make up our own minds as to how we wish to see things. I
know no one is going to make me see it their way, no matter how much
they want to argue for their view.


Bingo.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@... wrote:

>But that's the thing, there can be no resolution between
>me and Patrick.

See, I don't see it that way at all. You're two POTA fans, not
George Bush and Osama Bin Laden. Of COURSE there can be resolution
for you guys. You see things differently. So what? Agree to
disagree, and respect that each of you has the right to think the
other is wrong. There's your resolution. Simple. Every one of us
in this group has our own unique outlook on the films. I, for
instance, count the comics as part of my universe. I know you
don't. Does that mean you and I can never have a resolution over
that difference? Of course not. I respect that you don't like the
comics. It's no big deal to me. It doesn't make me like them
less. I also see the TV series as being part of the same continuity
as the films. Others don't. It doesn't mean I must kill them.

>We're engaged in a war of ideas about just how one should
>look at the POTA film series, a war we both want to win.

Bah. This isn't a war -- it's a discussion. War is what is
happeneing in Iraq. War is what is happening in Afghanistan. War
is what our idiot half-wit of a president, left to his own devices,
would wage on half a dozen other countries if he didn't have
everyone watching him right now, and were he not too busy planning
his 15th vacation since Christmas. What you and Patrick have is a
difference of opinion about a universe inhabited by talking apes,
mutant telepaths who worship an atomic bomb, giant brains in jars,
humans who've forgotten how to communicate or use tools but somehow
still wear clothes, astronauts that can travel through time,
genetically-altered gorillas able to fly jet planes and presidents
who die alone inside the nose of Abraham Lincoln. And if you're not
chuckling right about now as you look at it from that perspective,
then you're taking it all too seriously.

>I would very much like everyone to mostly follow my way of
>thinking, and from the way Patrick talks, I think he's out to
>get everyone to see it his way.

Well, then you have BOTH lost. There is no way either of you will
ever get everyone else to agree with you. But the bigger question
is this -- why bother? Why's it so important to you if everyone
agrees with you about something as unimportant in the cosmic scheme
of things as a movie? You're both fans, which means you have
something in common. In the past couple of years, I've witnessed
(and, unfortunately, been a part of) too many many separations and
schisms in fandom that it just makes me shake my head sadly. Ever
wonder why POTA is such a dead property that it can't seem to
sustain sales when it comes to merchandising, even when we're
talking about a comic as amazingly done as Revolution? On the other
hand, ever wonder how Star Trek has endured so well despite the fact
that the last two entire series have sucked, as have half the films
and MANY of the novels and comics? POTA has a MUCH more
successful "hit vs. miss" rate when it comes to spinoff stories, and
yet, all attempts to make money off it seem doomed to failure,
whereas Star Trek just keeps going and going. Why? Well, there's a
million factors, of course, but I firmly believe a large one is that
Star Trek has a massive fan base that has successfully managed to
communicate its numbers and its determination to keep Trek alive.
POTA fandom, however, is comprised of a few splintered groups who
are just as rabid as Trek fans, but who work against each other
instead of joining together and becoming something greater than the
petty fights. As with all the other fights of the past few years,
your and Patrick's fight has only served to weaken fandom as a whole
since it makes people bored to read the posts. If people are bored,
they leave. If they leave, fandom suffers. So come on...lay down
your arms. If you and Patrick refuse to talk to each other, or if
you choose to leave, then in the end, all that happens is that we
have yet another splinter. You're both passionate fans with a lot
to say, and fandom needs you both to stick around.

>(Look at how he attacks my view of Cornelius' map,
>if you don't believe me!)

Admittedly, I hadn't seen those attacks, but if he's attacked you,
then he's equally in the wrong. But what matters isn't who did
what, it's that it stops and we all breathe a sigh of relief and try
to become one again. Revolution on the Planet of the Apes, despite
being the best thing to happen to fandom in years, has had to limp
along trying to find an audience, and once it's gone, it might not
be renewed for new stories. Why? Because instead of putting
together an honest effort to show support, like Trek fans are famous
for doing over and over again for the past 40 years, the POTA fans
have been too busy sniping at each other, saying that group did this
or this group did that, or making barely hidden innuendos about
people they've not had contact with in a long time, or making up
screen names to mock each other, or condemning honest attempts to
get things done instead of supporting them. We, as a whole, are to
blame for POTA fandom being the failure it's become. To fix it, we
all need to be willing to lay down our arms, put aside past
differences, and work toward a common goal. You and Patrick can be
the foundation block upon which the rest is built, if you try.
('Cause, really...how hard could it be? It's movie, for crying out
loud. That's all it is -- a movie.)

>I think his view is quite warped and it makes me very angry.

Then I suggest a nice tall glass of grape juice-plus to calm the
nerves and a stroll with a beautiful brunette in a loincloth.
(Aside from the loincloth, I enjoyed both just yesterday, and I'm
much more relaxed for it.) If you can focus your energies on that
instead of actually getting ANGRY about someone's opinion of a film
about talking apes, then you'll be a happier person all around.

>He doesn't even see that POTA is allegory! He doesn't even
>have the proper view of that!

That's your opinion. It's not his. So what? The world will still
turn. The sun will still rise and set. Oxygen will still sustain
life. Everything will still taste like chicken. Paul Hogan will
still be an under-appreciated genius. Bill Clinton will still eat
fast food and cruise young women -- or vice versa. And Selma Hayek
will still top my "Women My Wife Would Allow Me To Sleep With If I
Could" list.

>Now, I'm responding to this post, which wasn't from Patrick!

Good. That means you're open to a dialog. Keep it going.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

> Sorry...
> I just have to question anyone who puts forth
> a theory about a movie and puts more thought
> into it than the writer actually did. It a bit sad.

No, the need some people have to continuously put others down, even
during a discussion about that very problem, is the sad thing.

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In a message dated 9/5/2006 7:06:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, atragon1@... writes:

Also, if Taylor is talking to a mothership in "real-time", why all that talk about a better bread of man?

Bill

 

He's exchanging recipes.

It's really good bread!

 

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In a message dated 9/5/2006 7:37:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

No One Poops in Stasis....  Wasn't that by Philip K. Dick, or am I thinking W. Dick Philip?

 

Phil McCracken

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , TZer0@... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 9/5/2006 9:49:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
> *** And we're meant to believe that 4 people spent 6 months of Ship-
> Time in that cabin without going stir-crazy or having to eat or go

to the bathroom or take a shower...

>
>
>
> They're all in suspended animation.
> You evacuate your bowels first. I
> suggest you read the book, No One
> Poops In Stasis, to help explain.

*** Now, I know you're just jokin' around here, T, but to take your
first sentence... No, they were NOT "all in suspended animation" during
the first 6 months of their journey.

Their total trip time -- according to Landon -- was 18 months (of SHIP-
TIME, not EARTH-TIME).

The first 6 months of it, from mid-January 1972 to mid-July 1972, was
spent AWAKE. Then the 3 astronauts we first see hibernating were put
into hibernation -- Taylor reports that "I've tucked my crew in for the
long sleep, and I'll be joining them."

After his final report -- during which he injects himself with a drug
which, presumably, will soon make him go into that "long sleep" of
hibernation -- he goes back to the bunks and we then see that both
Dodge and Landon have no 5-o'clock shadow, no light beard growth, no
nuthin'! They haven't been asleep so long as to grow any facial hair
yet.

By the time the 3 men awaken, a year of SHIP-TIME later, they all have
moustaches and beards. It took a year of SHIP-TIME for those beards to
grow. Stewart, of course, wouldn't have been expected to show any such
added facial hair. Especially since she had somehow died shortly after
Taylor went into his "long sleep".

Taylor, Dodge, Landon, and Stewart were AWAKE for 6 months before going
into hibernation. Thus, they would've needed FOOD, WATER, toilet
facilities, what have you.

Dat's th' fac', Jack!

Patrick

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-- No you're wrong. I only do that if the picture or story is TV show based I think you will find. Here are just a few examples that contradict your assumption:

Oh, yes... those are very nice, but my feeling is that the gorillas in BATTLE and the TV show should have looked like they did in the first two films.  It was a mistake that they didn't have the fur collars.  I wish you wouldn't draw them at all without their fur collars.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , atragon1@... wrote:

> Very pretty, Patrick, very pretty indeed... It will take a re-

reading or two to fully digest some of the thories proposed here, but
one question: If Brent's ship was not launched from Earth, but rather
a mothership, how then does the President of the Commission know that
there was a rescue mission needed if there was no ability to
communicate (through time, no less) to Earth?

>
> Also, if Taylor is talking to a mothership in "real-time", why all

that talk about a better breed of man?

> Bill

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*** Where, in "ESCAPE FROM THE POTA", is any mention ever made of any
RESCUE mission having been sent out after Taylor's ship?

Nobody in "ESCAPE" ever so much as mentions ANY of the ANSA
astronauts by name, excepting Taylor. Oh, in the screenplay and the
Pournelle novelization when Zira's drugged up and questioned, she
mentions the black-skinned man who'd been stuffed and put into the
museum (and Hasslein mutters "Lieutenant Dodge"), but that bit never
made it into the actual film. Notice that BRENT is never named, nor
ever so much as referenced by any person in the Presidential
Commission as having been sent out after Taylor in order to rescue
him.

In fact, the ONLY reference to Brent in "ESCAPE" is made by Zira,
when she says, "In a whole lifetime devoted to the scientific study
of humans, I found only TWO who could talk -- God knows who taught
them!"

Those 2 humans, of course, were TAYLOR and BRENT. She did see Landon
(who could talk BEFORE he was lobotomized), but she never heard him
actually talk.

True, the President mentions that the Ape-onaut ship is "one of two
ships" that were supposedly "missing" -- and, when Dehn wrote it, he
meant the 2 ships seen in the first 2 movies. I've re-interpreted
this line to be references to the 2 different missions: Virdon's
single-ship mission to Alpha Centauri, and Taylor's mission to a star
system in Orion which included a Mothership plus 3 ANSA shuttles, one
of which is the very one Taylor flew up from Cape Kennedy, which
these Ape-onauts re-entered in. But no mention is made, in "ESCAPE",
of that other ship having been a "rescue ship" sent out from the
planet Earth after Taylor's ship.

In regards to your last question, I wasn't suggesting that Taylor
actually WAS talking in "real-time" with Earth during his Final
Report. I was saying that IF Taylor's ship had a "subspace radio"
transceiver like in STAR TREK, then he COULD have had a real-time
conversation with Earth -- or with ANYBODY separated from his
position by many many lightyears. But in order to have a "real-time"
conversation, he would have to be at Rest -- and NOT zippin' around
at nearly the speed of light -- due to the Time Dilation phenomenon
his ship is experiencing. During about 94 seconds (of "screen-time")
the EARTH-TIME clock clicks ahead 3 entire days, from 3-24-2673 to 3-
27-2673. If Taylor could establish an audiovisual connection (like a
videophone link) to Earth, he would see his Earth counterpart in
super-fast-forward, and the Earth guy would see Taylor in super-slow-
motion -- it would take 7 hours and 40 minutes for the guy on Earth
to hear Taylor say something that takes him only TEN SECONDS to say.
If 3 days of EARTH-TIME (or, 259,200 seconds of E-T) equals about 94
seconds of SHIP-TIME, then every second of SHIP-TIME equals 259,200/3
or 2757 seconds (rounded to the nearest second). When Taylor
says "One thousand ONE..." (1 second's worth), the poor schmuck on
Earth hears it as a longggg drawwwwnnn ouuuuut transmission taking
nearly 46 minutes of his time.

No, Taylor is NOT having any "real-time" conversation with Earth
during that Final Report. His ship does NOT have any "subspace radio"
unit. Taylor's transmission is something that is being beamed from
his ship back to Earth through a warpfield propagating at a little
less than 16% the speed of light (as perceived by an Earth-bound
observer), from about 100 lightyears away (about a third of the total
320 LY distance).

I know what you're thinking: Taylor said they're goin' at "nearly the
speed of light" -- and 16% doesn't qualify.

Here's how I fix this flub.

The total distance the ship has to travel is 320 LY. It should only
take 'em about 320 years of EARTH-TIME to travel that distance if
they're going 99.999...% times Lightspeed. According to EINSTEIN'S
theory.

But the ANSA ships have a warp-propulsion system that operates
according to HASSLEIN'S theory. Rather than accelerating from Rest or
Zero Velocity all the way up to Near-Light Velocity THROUGH Space, as
an Einsteinian Relativity Theory would have it, the ANSA ship
accelerates along a Warp Curve, a "Hasslein Curve".

At REST, the ship is at Zero Velocity.

When the warpdrive is activated, the "warp factor" increases from
ZERO up to ONE... to TWO... to THREE... (etc) according to the
equation: X^X = Y (where X is the warp factor, ^ means "to the power
of" and Y equals the resultant Velocity Times Lightspeed).

Thus, if a ship were to accelerate to Warp Factor 2 (for instance),
that would mean 2-to-the-power-of-2, or 2 squared, or 4 x Lightspeed
(or, 4c, to abbreviate it).

Warp Factor 3 would be 3 cubed, or 27c. Warp Factor 4 would be 4 to
the 4th power, or 256c.

Here's where my Hasslein Hyperdrive stuff gets rather intricate (all
these numbers and everything). Read on, though, if you really want to
know how I can use it to make the POTA details make sense.

When the Drive is activated and just barely BEGINS its acceleration
along the Hasslein Curve, it first has to make the "jump" from Zero
Velocity to "Zero to the Zeroth Power" Velocity. Now, you would THINK
that Zero to ANY power is equal to Zero... but you'd be wrong. ANY
number -- even Zero -- raised to the power of Zero, equals ONE.

Infinity to the Zeroth power [INF^0] equals 1. The number 10^0 equals
1. 2^0 = 1. And, yes, 0^0 = 1.

If you graph the equation X^X = Y, you get a curve that begins at the
X,Y coordinate (0,1)... it slopes DOWNWARD to a Minimum at
(0.367879441..., 0.692200627...) and then slopes UPWARD again where
it passes through (1,1) and then its slope increases
literally "exponentially" to (2,4)... (3,27)... (4,256)...
(5,3125)... (6,46656)... etc etc.

That is, this Warp Velocity equation would apply exactly like this IF
the warpfield were carrying NO MASS inside it. Since the spaceship
has mass, however, that means that the warpfield's Final Velocity at
whatever Warp Factor is SLOWER than the "Y" value would at first seem
to indicate.

It takes Taylor's ship 2006 years to travel 320 LY at "nearly the
speed of light". ALL VELOCITIES along this Hasslein Curve are warp
velocities, but only those Warp Factors which result in a "Y" value
NEAR that of 1 can truly be called "nearly the speed of light".

Thus, since each acceleration along the Hasslein Curve must begin at
Warp Factor Zero [WF 0] -- which equals 1, since 0^0 = 1 -- and can
accelerate up to and past WF 1 -- which also equals 1, since 1^1 = 1,
it is at these two places along the Hasslein Curve where Taylor's
ship COULD be when he states that they're "travelling nearly the
speed of light". In my scenario, Taylor's ship -- and Virdon's, as
well -- travel at the smallest possible Warp Factor, just a hair
above Zero. Such a near-Zero number yields a Y-value of 99.999999...c.

However, the warpfield has to lug around the Mass of the spaceship.
If the warpfield were massless (like an actual photon), it would
propagate at the Y-value number. But, since there is MASS to tote
around inside that warpfield, the Y-value has to be divided by a
number which represents that "Index of Refraction" effect.

In other words, just as a Photon SLOWS DOWN when it propagates
through a medium with an Index of Refraction higher than 1 (a pure
vacuum has an I.o.R. equal to 1), so too does an ANSA warpfield
propagate at a SLOWER VELOCITY when it has a Mass inside it, as it
always would, since spaceships and propellant and astronauts are made
up of molecules & atoms & subatomic particles which, of course, have
Mass.

If Taylor's ship had Zero Mass, it would get to its destination in
the year A.D. 2292. At "nearly the speed of light" (say, 99.999%c),
it takes 320 years (plus a teeny weeny little bit of extra time) to
travel 320 LY. It is the MASS of Taylor's Orion Mission ship which
slows down that warpfield, so that "lightspeed" -- for it -- ends up
being about one-sixth the value in a pure vacuum with no warpfield.

In my novel's scenario, there is one particular reason why no ANSA
ship dares to accelerate to a higher Warp Factor than WF 0.0000...1
(i.e. the SMALLEST POSSIBLE warp factor). In the scenario, it is
known by ANSA's highest eschelon that there are "galactic
authorities" which have basically quarantined our Solar System, due
to their belief that we are essentially Insane. Our TV broadcasts,
I'm sure, just reinforce their belief. Like Klaatu in "THE DAY THE
EARTH STOOD STILL", they don't want us out in Space running loose
like the homicidal and genocidal maniacs do on our own world. When
Taylor bellows, "It's a madhouse! A MADHOUUUUUSE!" he's righter than
he knows. The (self-)righteous "enlightened" Beings who control the
Galaxy deem Earth to be infested with insane, dangerous denizens, and
to safeguard the Galaxy from the threat we pose (should we ever get
let loose amongst them with higher technology), they keep us trapped
in our Solar System.

When any ship with a Warp Drive zips through Outer Space at a Final
Velocity FASTER THAN LIGHT, the warpfield plows through interstellar
dust and hyperaccelerates such tiny motes (bounding off it) so that
they become COSMIC RAYS... and, thus, such ships leave a sort of
vapor trail. They're easy to spot, and so any ship warping away from
Earth at, say, Warp Factor 7 (with an Index of Refraction value of
6.26875, like Taylor's) would have a Final Velocity of (7^7 / 6.26875)
c = (823,543 / 6.26875)c = 131,372.7617c. At just over 130 thousand
times the speed of light, that's around 360 LY per day or 15 LY per
hour, as perceived by an Outside Observer.

The "galactic authorities" would track such an Earth-originating
vessel and immediately destroy it once it de-activated its warpfield.
The ANSA higher-ups, knowing this, know that in order to "fly-under-
the-radar" (so to speak), they have to fly at a Final Velocity that
is LESS THAN LIGHTSPEED. The lowest possible Warp Factor they can
manage is something like WF 0.000000003341... or so, which yields
a "Y-value" of nearly 1, or 0.9999999999... times lightspeed -- which
dictates the Time Dilation effects experienced onboard the ship;
this, in my scenario, is what Taylor's referring to when he
references "Doctor Hasslein's theory of Time in a vehicle travelling
NEARLY THE SPEED OF LIGHT".

Then you have to divide out the Mass factor which, for Taylor's
mission, is an Index of Refraction number equal to about 6.27, in
order to get the Final Velocity (relative to the outside universe).
This accounts for the fact that Taylor's "near-lightspeed" voyage
takes more than 320 years to get out to a star that's 320 LY away;
multiplied by that Refraction index number, 6.27, and you get 2006.86
years of EARTH-TIME, from mid-January 1972 to 11-25-3978.

Roughly a third of the way there, when Taylor makes his Final Report,
Taylor sees that the EARTH-TIME date is 2673 A.D. He states that Man
in the 27th Century would become "a different breed... I hope a
better one" by the time his transmission reached Earth in the 28th
Century. He's about a third of the way there; in the screenplay, he
says they're "a mere hundred and five light years from our base..."
If so, then the Final Report would get to Earth 105 years after A.D.
2673, in A.D. 2778. Taylor imagines the descendants of the 20th
Century men who sent him on his journey "reading him now" --
receiving his transmission in 2778 or so. He hopes they'll be a
BETTER breed of Man than the ones who Taylor couldn't stand, the ones
who compelled him to want to leave it all behind.

I'll leave it at that for now. Yeah, I know, my posts are longish. If
there were a way to reduce this info to a mere 3x5 card, I'd do so.
Goin' "in depth" leaves me no choice, really...

Patrick

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 4:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 2301

Check out this photo!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 4:37 AM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 2301

but my feeling is that the gorillas in BATTLE and the TV show should have looked like they did in the first two films.  It was a mistake that they didn't have the fur collars.  I wish you wouldn't draw them at all without their fur collars.

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Just don't give 'em bangs, like Ploog did in the first
issue of Marvel's "TERROR" series!

Patrick
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--- Neil T Foster wrote:

> -- Oh I agree completely Rory, I too wish they had

kept the 'fur collars' especially for Battle but they
didn't so I go with the look they did use. If I was
drawing a Battle era story I think I probably would
add the collars to the gorillas though.

>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Haristas@...
>
> but my feeling is that the gorillas in BATTLE and

the TV show should have looked like they did in the
first two films. It was a mistake that they didn't
have the fur collars. I wish you wouldn't draw them at
all without their fur collars.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 4:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mothership intentions...

. Stewart, of course, wouldn't have been expected to show any such
added facial hair.

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Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 8:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] When Hairy Met Sally

Just don't give 'em bangs, like Ploog did in the first
issue of Marvel's "TERROR" series!

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-- Shouldn't that be warp drive? ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 4:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 2301

You said it Rich!  Go get ‘em!  J

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-- So does anyone know when it will be comming out then?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
> DAMMIT! I was so looking forward to it, too. Arrgh!

-- Really? I think it is healthy for people to try to expand on what
the original creators gave us myself.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
> I just have to question anyone who puts forth
> a theory about a movie and puts more thought
> into it than the writer actually did. It a bit sad.

-- And share them with the group please, especially this Dr. Zaius
look-alike!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Melinda G Kettler" <mgkettler@...> wrote:
> One of the orangutangs, one of the older ones, had a face that I
swear looked so similar to Dr. Zauis! Next time I must bring my camera
and take some pictures of them.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 3:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 2301

In other words you're saying, I've got a closed mind and proud of it! 

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An interesting thought...

Caesar, in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, is taken to the breeding
annex to breed with a female ape. Some believe her to be Lisa, but
I've never seen it that way. According to the novelization, he spends
two weeks in the breeding annex, a happy chimp indeed. So here's my
question -- and even if we ignore the novel's two-week figure, my
question still stands -- are there other, illegitimate children of
Caesar out there? That's why he was sent there, after all. How many
females did he impregnate while he was there? It makes me wonder if
the screenwriters were trying to explain how the capacity for human
speech might have been introduced to the primitive apes. (Of course,
the fifth film makes a mess of the situation by having them speak so
soon after the previous film, but you get my point.)

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In a message dated 9/5/2006 7:06:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, atragon1@... writes:

If Brent's ship was not launched from Earth, but rather a mothership, how then does the President of the Commission know that there was a rescue mission needed if there was no ability to communicate (through time, no less) to Earth?

 

See!  If his theories are sooo well thought out

how could they be so easily undone?

Read them for entertainment, if

you have the time.

 

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In a message dated 9/6/2006 6:05:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Really? I think it is healthy for people to try to expand on what
the original creators gave us myself.

 

That's fine...as long as it has a basis in the writer's "reality",

since that's all we have to go on. Once you leave that,

no one can challenge your theories anymore.

 

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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 2301

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In a message dated 9/6/2006 4:00:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Cop-out?  A mature attitude towards the nature of the material is how I look at.  Try to "literally" tie it all together logically is just plain silly and pointless!  In the end the films remain what they are.

  You're not infected too with the walking pestilence, are you, Bill?


Not at all.. I had my shots!



Good, but if you think you're immune, think again.  Even I've been infected!

Anyway,....

I have this book on SF films called "Future Sense: The Cinema of Science Fiction" by John Brosnan, published in 1978.  Here some of what it says about PLANET OF THE APES (1968):

"As a piece of action-adventure cinema Planet of the Apes is very slick and competent, but as science fiction it's illogical rubbish.  The plot revolves around the fact that the astronaut doesn't realize, until the very end, that the ape world is really earth in the future -- a future where the apes have evolved to be come the dominate species -- despite the fact that he heard them speaking English.  .... Its [the film's] success demonstrates that despite the increasing sophistication of SF movies during the 1960s the general public still didn't understand what science fiction was all about."

Now, I've never liked what this author had to say about PLANET, but it's hard to argue that he's wrong.

So, POTA is illogical rubbish.  Do I have a problem with that?  No.  It worked for me when I was a kid.  It may not entirely work for me now, but that's OK -- it is what it is, and it still works for me in general.  It's still my favorite movie.

What I think is illogical is trying to make POTA logical.  In order to do so you have to jump through so many loopy holes in time and space that you need to bring in the really fantastic, and then it still is no more logical than it ever was.  Why bother?

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-- Really? I think it is healthy for people to try to expand on what
the original creators gave us myself.

Neil

Yeah, but first it's circular timelines, then it's off to truly loopy land!
Black Holes and Roswell Aliens... what else is there he hasn't yet revealed -- WAIT!  Don't go there... you may not like what you find!

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Sent: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 9:00 PM
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Well, according to Diamond it will be out next week. Ty seems to think
it might be in some areas this week. It's on-sale in Toronto already,
apparently, but they got their copies direct from the publisher, not
through Diamond.

I plan to check my local shop tomorrow just in case. I've got some
copies on order through Westfield, which I'll get at the end of the
month, but I'm planning to buy one off the rack so I don't have to
wait until then to read the story's conclusion.

Greg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
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> -- So does anyone know when it will be comming out then?
>
> Neil
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> > DAMMIT! I was so looking forward to it, too. Arrgh!
>

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Black Holes and Roswell Aliens...

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In a message dated 9/6/2006 9:17:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Now, I've never liked what this author had to say about PLANET, but it's hard to argue that he's wrong.

 

Not really.

Sure, in the book they spoke a different language.

It was a different planet.  They could have gone

that route, but they didn't.  I think it was Heston

who argued that English is the language of film,

just as it is aviation, or say . . . business. Should

they have done the subtitle thing?  Or started with

it and pulled the switch like other films have? Well,

maybe, but I think they went the right way.  There

weren't a lot of blockbusters in the 60's with subs.

Maybe in a version faithful to the book you could

get away with it.  But they had a hell of a time

getting the movie greenlighted in the first place.

You couldn't do that if you said, "oh and by

the way . . . all the ape dialogue is subtitled.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rassmguy
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 9:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Paternity Suits on the Planet of the Apes

Caesar, in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, is taken to the breeding
annex to breed with a female ape. Some believe her to be Lisa, but
I've never seen it that way.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 3:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 2301

  It's just too bad that in these Yahoo groups so many don't like verbal duels!  I find them great sport, eh Watson?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 12:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick taking flack.

The whole Roswell aliens bit is what really put me off on his ideas... That's not to say that there aren't a few things along the way that make sense

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-- I've just checked their web site ( http://www.mrcomics.ca/) and they
are saying the release date is now September 13th.

There is also a picture of the cover for issue 6 up there as well.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "gp3085" <urko3085@...> wrote:
> Well, according to Diamond it will be out next week. Ty seems to
think it might be in some areas this week. It's on-sale in Toronto
already, apparently, but they got their copies direct from the
publisher, not through Diamond.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 10:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick taking flack.

Yeah, but first it's circular timelines, then it's off to truly loopy land!
Black Holes and Roswell Aliens... what else is there he hasn't yet revealed -- WAIT!  Don't go there... you may not like what you find!

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>Posted by: "patrickmichaeltilton" patrickmichaeltilton@...
>patrickmichaeltilton
>True, the President mentions that the Ape-onaut ship is "one of two
>ships" that were supposedly "missing" -- and, when Dehn wrote it, he
>meant the 2 ships seen in the first 2 movies. I've re-interpreted
>this line to be references to the 2 different missions: Virdon's
>single-ship mission to Alpha Centauri, and Taylor's mission to a star

It's all interesting, though a bit too complicated. Still I like
it. However...how do you account for the fact that Virdon didn't
leave until 1980, which is after the 3rd film?

>From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>Of Michael Whitty
>You said it Rich! Go get 'em! :-)
>Posted by: "Neil T Foster" ntfoster@... munkeyman63au
>-- Yeah that one might have to get the post of the month award!
>Neil

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I went to Barnes & Knobles.com, Return to the Planet of the apes will be out October 3, 2006. I have Hunters version but this one I will end up buying so I can at least watch it on my other DVD player without hearing from my wife about how I'm watching cartoons at 39. Anyone else have this problem?

 

Tom

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-----Original Message-----
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick taking flack.

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-----Original Message-----
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Great Caesar's GHOST!

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From: tshaf37@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Cartoon series from Fox on DVD

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-----Original Message-----
From: ntfoster@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 4:14 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick taking flack.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 9:19 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Great Caesar's GHOST!

We should have a competition – pose your sideshows and add a caption!  J

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tshaf37@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:33 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Cartoon series from Fox on DVD

 so I can at least watch it on my other DVD player without hearing from my wife about how I'm watching cartoons at 39. Anyone else have this problem?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 9:13 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Paternity Suits on the Planet of the Apes

This is a story Helen and I started to write – about Caesar’s illegitimate child and his quest, post Battle , to re-take the throne.  I wanted him to be a bad guy but I think Helen wanted him to be sweet.  J

I stopped because I really want to do something pre-Planet.

Post-Battle would inherit a lot of those inconsistencies!  J

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 11:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick taking flack.

Yeah, but those "silly" comics weren't an attempt to do what _______ is out to do.  He's trying to take over the world's very perception of APES.  Here's out to bury the original series.  Don't any of you here see that!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2006 10:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Apes at the Zoo

Have I ever shown you guys the orang-utan standing upright, shading his eyes from the sun at Melbourne Zoo circa 1977?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 3:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Cartoon series from Fox on DVD

 You guys make me so glad I'm not married!  I understand the sex gets boring too and drops off to like twice a years or something.  Might as well be living with your sister.

 

I don't get it regular -- if at all! -- but at least I watch what I watch, when I want to watch, and the rest of the world can lick my hairy monkey parts -- which loops me back to why you want a girlfriend in the first place!

 

Oh, face it -- life sucks -- and hopefully all girlfriends and wives!

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In a message dated 9/7/2006 4:53:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

Hasn't got boring for me after more than 20 years of marriage.

I agree I'm not bored either I just get to hear it about how many movies a TV series and then a Cartoon series, what makes it bad was the Bird Monster in the Cartoon. I never hear the end of that. I wouldn't trade my wife in for the hottest woman on the Planet in any case.

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In a message dated 9/7/2006 8:35:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tshaf37@... writes:

I can at least watch it on my other DVD player without hearing from my wife about how I'm watching cartoons at 39. Anyone else have this problem?

 

Nope.  My wife watches cartoons with me.

Of course she's my ex-wife, and trying to

get back in my good graces.  That helps.

 

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In a message dated 9/7/2006 3:10:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I don't get it regular -- if at all!

 

Now we know why you seem so pissed off all the time.

Does anyone else think he's tense? You need to get laid!

 

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In a message dated 9/7/2006 3:53:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Hasn't got boring for me after more than 20 years of marriage. I think we may have found out what your problem is though. ;-)

 

Jizactly!

 

 

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In a message dated 9/7/2006 7:03:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

I wanted him to be a bad guy but I think Helen wanted him to be sweet.  J

 

I like the idea of an entire faction of chimps

who discover the annex records and find

out they are his descendants as well.

 

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-- Cool, The Caesar Wars. Get writing someone!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, TZer0@... wrote:
> I like the idea of an entire faction of chimps
> who discover the annex records and find
> out they are his descendants as well.

.html.html In a message dated 9/7/06 5:59:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Trust me Rory – you really would benefit from having a long term partner and kids.

Just like Taylor.
All he really needed was a partner and he liked the world.
Go get a partner and have some kids!

Michael



Too late.  I'm 47.  If I had a kid right now, he or she would be a teenager when I'm in my sixties.  I can't imagine that.

Also, kids cost BIG $$$$$

Who needs that?

And, being the confirmed cynic and misanthrope that I am, I honestly believe....

THERE ARE TOO MANY FUCKING PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ALREADY!!!!

What we need is a good plague that'll take out, oh.... two or three BILLION!

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.html.html In a message dated 9/7/06 4:47:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- Sorry but what I see is you obsessing over one person and his take on POTA. Many other people over the years have put forward different interpretations of the subject some even introducing extremely laughable elements to it but you seem to be hung up on this one person.

Neil


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.html.html In a message dated 9/7/06 5:49:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

So.....do you pose them like you are a 5 year old?!?!?!  J

No.  Why?  IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD DO??????

Most of them are back in the box, but I want to get a good look at them.

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.html.html In a message dated 9/7/06 6:01:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

Sally does think I'm nuts buying toys but I showed her who is nuts when I sold a few an put $5000 in the bank recently! 

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In a message dated 9/7/2006 3:10:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I don't get it regular -- if at all!

Now we know why you seem so pissed off all the time.
Does anyone else think he's tense? You need to get laid!


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My wife LOVES cartoons.

Actually, I watch very few cartoons.  I'm just too old for that shit.  But, if it's a really smart cartoon, then it might hold my attention for a while.  I used to like FUTURAMA, but I didn't watch it all the time!

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Wow...

>Posted by: "Haristas@..." Haristas@... haristas
>Yeah, but those "silly" comics weren't an attempt to do what _______
>is out to do. He's trying to take over the world's very perception
>of APES. Here's out to bury the original series. Don't any of you
>here see that!

Just so I'm clear here...you're kidding, right?

>Posted by: "Haristas@..." Haristas@... haristas
>I see it as very dangerous. If he realizes his dream, then future
>perceptions of the concept that belongs to Boulle and the original
>film will carry his taint. Enough damage has been done to APES already.

Again...just to be clear...you're joking, yes?

I ask because that is just scary. "Stalker in the bushes" scary. A
fan puts forth a theory about a film, and suddenly he's trying to
take over the world's perception of the film and the Boulle novel (as
if such a thing were even possible, which any sane person can plainly
see is not), and to bury the original series (an absurd and
inconceivable task). You give him WAY too much credit and power if
you actually believe anything you said above. I think more damage is
done to the perception of POTA by new fans coming to the group and
seeing your posts about Patrick. I know if I were new and not used
to your posts, I'd leave. That's far more damaging than someone
reading a theory about the films and disagreeing with it -- because
unlike you, who has obsessed over it to the point of insanity,
99.99999% of people who disagree with anyone simply...disagree with
them. Life goes on.

I think Neil may be onto something...find a wife and start making up
for lost sex time. I've been with my wife 20 years and things are still great.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of atragon1@...
Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 10:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA "illogical rubbish" (was: more Mothership stuff)

Why bother...? Because its a lot of fun, that's why!  What's wrong with fans expanding on the concepts in the POTA? What's wrong with people trying to be creative? Coming up with crazy theories is all part of the glory of fandom. POTA leaves a lot of room for interpretation and diverse theories and that void needs to be filled.

 

Should this discussion group be limited to reviews of DVDs, chats about John Chamber's make-up techniques, and the like... And exclude any and all speculation and theories about time-travel and the evolution of ape society???

 

I think not. I may not agree with any of Patrick's theories, but by all means, he should be encouraged to use this discussion group as a forum.

 

Shame on those who want to censor the creative juices...

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What problem. I'm 47 and I still watching animation.

Kevin
PofTAfan

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From: tshaf37@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Cartoon series from Fox on DVD

I went to Barnes & Knobles.com, Return to the Planet of
the apes will be out October 3, 2006. I have Hunters version but this
one I will end up buying so I can at least watch it on my other DVD
player without hearing from my wife about how I'm watching cartoons at
39. Anyone else have this problem?

Tom

.html.html In a message dated 9/7/06 8:12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, atragon1@... writes:

Why bother...? Because its a lot of fun, that's why!  What's wrong with fans expanding on the concepts in the POTA? What's wrong with people trying to be creative? Coming up with crazy theories is all part of the glory of fandom. POTA leaves a lot of room for interpretation and diverse theories and that void needs to be filled.

Should this discussion group be limited to reviews of DVDs, chats about John Chamber's make-up techniques, and the like... And exclude any and all speculation and theories about time-travel and the evolution of ape society???

I think not. I may not agree with any of Patrick's theories, but by all means, he should be encouraged to use this discussion group as a forum.

Shame on those who want to censor the creative juices...

VIVA PATRICK!!!

Bill


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-- I totally agree, well said Bill.

Neil


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.html.html In a message dated 9/7/06 8:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

What problem. I'm 47 and I still watching animation.

Kevin
PofTAfan

Yeah, but are you getting laid too?

I've got a question to all the married guys here....

I know I'm here because I have no life, but what the HELL are you doing here?!!!!

Why don't you guys turn off the computer, grab your wives and start goin' at it like Taylor and Nova in heat?  I know I would!

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-- Can't be any worse that those comics that paired Apes up with those Alien Nation aliens!

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Wendy

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In a message dated 9/7/2006 8:47:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yeah, but are you getting laid too?

I've got a question to all the married guys here....

I know I'm here because I have no life, but what the HELL are you doing here?!!!!

Why don't you guys turn off the computer, grab your wives and start goin' at it like Taylor and Nova in heat?  I know I would!

You think I'd be here if I was married?

After 20 years of marriage it isn't like that anymore. It happens on occasion but as I've gotten older my wife and I usually wonder what's on cable first.

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I'm going on 38 and same here love watching Toons, especially the oldies. And yep married and definitely still make sure i squeeze in my POTA time. Life is to short to act fully grown up. Act young and you'll stay young, well at least that's my outlook.

 

T

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 9/7/2006 5:28:18 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

What problem. I'm 47 and I still watching animation.

Kevin
PofTAfan

-----Original Message-----
From: tshaf37@aol. com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Cartoon series from Fox on DVD

I went to Barnes & Knobles.com, Return to the Planet of
the apes will be out October 3, 2006. I have Hunters version but this
one I will end up buying so I can at least watch it on my other DVD
player without hearing from my wife about how I'm watching cartoons at
39. Anyone else have this problem?
 
Tom

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Cartoon series from Fox on DVD

In a message dated 9/7/06 8:28:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PofTAfan@... writes:


What problem. I'm 47 and I still watching animation.

Kevin
PofTAfan


Yeah, but are you getting laid too?

I've got a question to all the married guys here....

I know I'm here because I have no life, but what the HELL are you
doing here?!!!!

Why don't you guys turn off the computer, grab your wives and start
goin' at it like Taylor and Nova in heat? I know I would!

You think I'd be here if I was married?