> Do you know why his hair was longer than the others? Did he come

> different region?
> Wendy
>

Patrick,

My advice to you is write something that is of your own world. Then you can get it published and have your own fan following. Believe me, taking my story out the of the POTA universe is great feeling of release of creativity. You will be surprised where it will take you, giving you something that is truly your own. As an excellent writer such as yourself, you deserve to give yourself that chance.

This is not only coming from me, but from other great science fiction writers who critiqued my work. Fanfic is fun, and good sense of a writer's training. However, fanfic is just fanfic.

Wendy

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From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Patrick taking flack.
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:11:26 -0000

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I see it as very dangerous. If he realizes his dream, then future
perceptions of the concept that belongs to Boulle and the original
film will carry his taint. Enough damage has been done to APES
already.
>
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*** You have GOT to be kidding! Or off-yer-rocker, or both.

Remember in "BACK TO SCHOOL" where Rodney Dangerfield tells Sally
Kellerman that he doesn't have the time to read books -- so he
watches the movie-version instead? He's in-and-outta the theater in a
couple hours, rather than taking the time to read the novel.

I have NO illusions regarding my own POTA project. Assuming I ever
finish the damn thing before I die, it'll be about as long as
the "MISSION EARTH" series L. Ron Hubbard wrote. Aside from hardcore
Hubbard fans, how many people have bothered reading it? I made it
halfway through Book IV (of X) before I set it aside -- I'm convinced
a ghost-writer took over around there and finished that mega-story
based on notes Hubbard left behind; the quality just drops off like
Wile E. Coyote off a cliff.

It will be so much easier for people to watch the DVDs of "PLANET"
and its sequels, than to read the volume of what I'm writing.

Besides, how many people read the novelization of "ESCAPE FROM THE
POTA" by Jerry Pournelle and had it alter their "perception" of that
3rd Apes film?

It's not as if Boulle's novel, the 1st film, its sequels, the TV
show, ALL of that is just gonna disappear from Existence, leaving
only my POTA novel behind for future generations, to act as their
sole source of POTA information.

It bothers me that the film version of "BATTLEFIELD EARTH" was utter
crap... because I'm sure there are people who saw it, hated it, and
vowed to NEVER read the book it's based on. They'll never know what
they're missing, because Hubbard's novel is one terrific read. I
remember looking forward to seeing the film version, hoping it would
be one-tenth as good as the book... but, alas, it wasn't one-
BILLIONTH as good. They couldn't have made a worse movie even if they
had INTENDED to make a crappy movie. It's scary to know that they
tried to make a movie they thought was "good"!

The POTA DVDs will always be around, and for every individual who
will ever read my POTA novel there'll be millions who will just watch
the DVDs, not caring that I wrote a book devoted to them. How many
people have actually read the many "STAR TREK" novels that've been
published ever since the 1970's ("SPOCK MUST DIE!" etc)??? How many
people -- other than the geekiest Trekkies -- have ever slogged their
way through the James Blish novelizations of the TV episodes, or Alan
Dean Foster's novelizations of the Trek Animated Series? Have any
Trekkies ever acquired an altered or tainted "perception" of the Trek
show based on Blish's or Foster's novelizations?

Get real!

Patrick

Here, here, LTZ!  Your absolutely right. Did you know there are more tigers in captivity than in the wild? Very sad indeed. 

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From: TZer0@...
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apes at the Zoo
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:06:48 EDT

In a message dated 9/9/2006 8:05:02 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@aol. com writes:

I don't like apes being in zoos.  In fact, I don't like any animals being in zoos.

 

I don't even think they should be pets.

But when you have morons in China

making tiger dick soup instead of

taking Viagra, zoos may be the only

safe place for them. They did a recount

at one preserve that was supposed to

have over 200 tigers and found they

were counting the tracks of the same

20 or so cats over and over again.

 

Yes. They apes have tentency to mimmick our mistakes. The worse thing they have done is put themselves above everything esle, including man.

They keys is understanding that we are tied in with all animals. Without them we would be nothing.

Wendy

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From: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [PotaDG] Apes at the Zoo
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 10:38:01 +1000

Zaius was just as bad.

 

So it may as well be us....

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Haristas@aol. com
Sent: Sunday, 10 September 2006 3:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: {Disarmed} [PotaDG] Re: Apes at the Zoo

 

In a message dated 9/9/06 1:28:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Willowape@hotmail. com writes:

Rory,

I'm hardly surprised you feel this way. I sympathize. However, most zoos these days are working on preserving and saving endangered species. Because of zoos, people better understand the importance of giving sanctuary to these animals whose habitats are threatened or are vanishing. If you have to gripe, focus it on those who are destroying these animals' homes or poaching them -- using their parts for decoration, status, or medicines.

I know zoos are now trying -- and are in fact -- doing good things for some species, but they're still zoos.  They still confine animals, and in the case of the great apes, it's pretty much a crime!  Intelligent creatures like apes simply don't belong in zoos. 

As for focusing on those who are destroying animals homes, etc., that would require taking aim at the entire human race.  Face it, the civilizations of man are about to crowd nearly every other large animal species into extinction.  Hell, there isn't even one wilderness left on the planet any more!  Not really.  Wild Africa now is just a bunch of national parks.

I don't know how anyone here, especially being into PLANET OF THE APES, can't help but despise the animal called man.

Throw in any quote from Dr. Zaius at this point.

-- Rory

 Question?  Do you have a cell phone?

I'm like Zira. I have great faith in human kind. We have our darkside but we also have a lightside. As for the lightside, you alone can make a difference Rory and probably alread has.   My lightside was only having one child and adopting another. If I had it my way, I would adopt a handful of kids. I drive a hybrid, walk short disctances,, bycicle, recycle, cut down my energy usage in my home at work and so on. That's what I mean when I say Save the earth, be green and lean.

Look at this way Rory, we are not necessarily fighting terrorism. Everything is pointing toward oil which is sufficating our world. If we should be fighting it should for our world.

Wendy 

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From: Haristas@...
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes at the Zoo
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:58:02 EDT

I know zoos are now trying -- and are in fact -- doing good things for some species, but they're still zoos.  They still confine animals, and in the case of the great apes, it's pretty much a crime!  Intelligent creatures like apes simply don't belong in zoos. 

As for focusing on those who are destroying animals homes, etc., that would require taking aim at the entire human race.  Face it, the civilizations of man are about to crowd nearly every other large animal species into extinction.  Hell, there isn't even one wilderness left on the planet any more!  Not really.  Wild Africa now is just a bunch of national parks.

I don't know how anyone here, especially being into PLANET OF THE APES, can't help but despise the animal called man.

Throw in any quote from Dr. Zaius at this point.

-- Rory

True. However, if we were to become extinct, let the culprit be an astroroid slamming the earth than us undoing ourselves by our own hand. There is no doubt that human race will eventually die out. It is the way of things. And even we were to save ourselves, lets say go to another world, we will slowly evolve into something else. 

Wendy   

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From: Haristas@...
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes at the Zoo
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:48:34 EDT

Wendy,

You do realize that it's all focused on man, his importance, his survival?  Man doesn't threaten the earth.  This planet in the past has survived far worse than the crap man is doing to it.  It's we who endanger ourselves.  The planet will go on just fine without us, no matter what kind of a mess we make.

-- Rory

I was hoping Rory would answer my question. What I'm trying to prove is that education is the best when trying to save the planet. To finish my example I will go on to say --- Did you know that very material used to make the battery that powers your cell phone is mined a the very place which mountian gorillas inhabit? The material, (the name evades me) is not found anywhere else. Thus the gorillas are being driven out their homes.

We don't have to stop using our phones. What we can do is recycle them, so the material can be removed and reaplied to new cell phones , thus slowing the shrinkage of these gorillas' habitat.  I hope that other alternatives are being sought so to stop this invasion of these animals' homes. In fact I pray that there are other alternatives.

Wendy

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From: TZer0@...
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Apes at the Zoo
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:47:38 EDT

In a message dated 9/10/2006 1:43:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Willowape@hotmail. com writes:

Question?  Do you have a cell phone?

 

I must have missed something here.

Not sure what this is in reference to...

The vanishing wilderness?  True, the

World is shrinking.  But as Steve Irwin

proved ... It's still big enough for Nature

to kill you before you can get to a hospital.

 

Thank you TZ0. I read the article some time ago. I have diffuculty holding the facts in my head sometimes. One thing I am sure of and that is recycling your cell really helps.

Wendy

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From: TZer0@...
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Gorillas Vs Cell Phones
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:53:27 EDT

In a message dated 9/11/2006 12:13:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Willowape@hotmail. com writes:

To finish my example I will go on to say --- Did you know that very material used to make the battery that powers your cell phone is mined a the very place which mountian gorillas inhabit?

 

Turns out she's not far wrong.

It's not batteries, it's capacitors.

You can't make cell phones without

capacitors.  And the increased popularity

of cell phones has driven up the price of the

material to make those capacitors -- which are

made of a metal called coltan, the principal source

of which is the Congo, where cotan mining has run amok.

Woops! Sorry Rory. Found your answer buried in my junk mail. I should read it more often.

Wendy

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From: Haristas@...
Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes at the Zoo
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 18:43:55 EDT

In a message dated 9/10/06 2:43:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Willowape@hotmail. com writes:

Question?  Do you have a cell phone?

No, I don't, and I never have.  Hope I never will.  Hasn't enough privacy been lost already?

-- Rory