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Glad to do something to cheer ya up some, smiley. Now let's start
making fun of people for old times sake!!! Oh, and I like the comics
too by the way.;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Mate, it's all been discussed!
>
>
>
> I refuse to resort to inventing people as other groups do, to start
flame
> wars and upset people. The quiet is very pleasing to me!
>
>
>
> I've had another change in roles at work and I'm very busy -
possibly also
> uprooting the family to move to another State, so I have not got
the time to
> spend on the group. So I have been rather quiet too.
>
>
>
> It would have been nice to have a few more responses re the comics,
but
> hey...who cares? I like 'em and you do so fuck the rest of
them! ;)
>
>
>
> Well, except for the good John ZD - I got my shirt today! THANKS
JZD!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Neil T Foster
> Sent: Monday, 15 January 2007 9:41 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: The Simian Gylphs
>
>
>
> -- Yeah I figured that. I was just trying to get some type of
discussion
> going, pointless I know.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Michael Whitty
> Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2007 9:47 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: The Simian Gylphs
>
> I think you will find it's a budget thing (like the length of the
fur on
> chins etc).
>
>
>
> The glyphs cost time and effort to construct - so they got shelved.
>
>
>
> The only reason they used the PLANET costumes is to save money -
they were
> still hanging around so they were used.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Neil T Foster
> Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2007 10:18 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: The Simian Gylphs
>
>
>
> -- This is another thing I had never even thought about before!
>
> I wonder if it was a deliberate move to get rid of the glyphs or
was it just
> something mundane like the costumes without glyphs were probably
background
> ones and therefore had less wear and tear?
>
>
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 January 2007 4:56 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Simian Gylphs
>
> *** You're correct that Virgil didn't have hieroglyphics...
(Neither did
> Caesar, Lisa, or any of the other main apes... The only time I seen
any
> hieroglyphics are on Aldo's collar...)
>
>
>
> Web Bug from MailScannerWebBug
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> --
>

Yes!!!! That's what I'm talking about. You crazy bastard. I miss Rory.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> Careful if you do contact Chris L privately.
>
>
>
> Last time I did, I told him to eat his own cock and fuck his mother.
>
>
>
> Regretfully, I wasn't a coward and I sent it from my own email
address - at
> my work.
>
>
>
> His cowardly response was to contact my employer and that could
have caused
> me some real hassles, if my employer had been a little less wise.
>
>
>
> So careful with that Chris L - he is a right cunt.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> mlccougar@...
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2007 5:36 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Ape's Shuffle
>
>
>
> We're trying to get all of the APES radio spots collected... So far
Chris
> has BENEATH thru BATTLE covered I believe, and he may have a
contact who has
> the stuff from PLANET (but that guy is dragging his feet getting
back to him
> about it...)
>
> Also, we're trying to get any APES related/inspired songs, etc.
too... Neil
> was nice enough to contribute a few things on that end, and again
Chris has
> some others already (and I think the APES SHUFFLE is among them...)
>
> If you have any of this type of material, contact me or Chris L.
> privately...
>
>
> In a message dated 1/15/2007 6:46:58 PM Central Standard Time,
> hoknescards@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hey can you tell me more about all the audio stuff you are
compiling
> i'd love to help if theres anything i can do
> i had this idea many years ago but obviously didnt get it done LOL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>

Well, the three of us here all love you Neil. Ya whiney hippie.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- You probably won't be seeing or hearing a lot more from me on the
> group either mate. I couldn't be arsed anymore, I've just about had
it
> with POTA for now sorry to say, it's like banging your head against
a
> brick wall lately.
>
> Time to move on to other things and pour my energy into more
worthwhile
> endeavours.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Michael Whitty
> Sent: Thursday, 18 January 2007 2:44 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: The Simian Gylphs
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mate, it's all been discussed!
>
>
>
> I refuse to resort to inventing people as other groups do, to start
> flame wars and upset people. The quiet is very pleasing to me!
>
>
>
> I've had another change in roles at work and I'm very busy -
possibly
> also uprooting the family to move to another State, so I have not
got
> the time to spend on the group. So I have been rather quiet too.
>
>
>
> It would have been nice to have a few more responses re the comics,
but
> hey...who cares? I like 'em and you do so fuck the rest of
them! ;)
>
>
>
> Well, except for the good John ZD - I got my shirt today! THANKS
JZD!
>
>
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=42769/stime=1169095777/nc1=3858790/nc2=3848627/nc3=4299912>
>

Final Manny? You really just gonna walk away from Apes all together?
I hate to here it. I've always enjoyed everything about this group.
Guess I'll have to devote more time to my Myspace Cult. ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, 19 January 2007 12:43 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

Final Manny? You really just gonna walk away from Apes all together?

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In a message dated 1/18/2007 8:54:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- I won't be walking away all together but my days of giving are over. From now on I'm just going to sit back and take, like most other Apes 'fans'.

 

Neil

 

Awww . . .Don't be that way, Neil.

In fact I'm more than happy to pay

$100 a page for the storyboards we

discussed.  No one draws apes like

you do.  They may need to be poster

sized though.  And that was Aussie

dollars, wasn't it?  Worth it, either way

 

T

 

 

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Mike Ploog, the only other POTA comic artist that can give Neil a run
for his money will be appearing at the LA Comic Con next month.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9385

If you are fortunate enough to be in the area then I suggest you dust
of your favorite Marvel POTA mag and drop by to let him know that
there are still a few of us who still appreciate those stories. Maybe
even take a pic of him with one of the mags.

Wish I could be there....

Dario

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Tell me humans, who is your ruler?

Thade is the #1 ape!

Is this a hostile environment, waiting to pounce on Thade and murder
him?

Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is the best movie ever!

Thade

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Is this a hostile environment, waiting to pounce on Thade and murder
him?

Yes it is... There are very few people here who even like pota2001... Most here are PLANET OF THE APES fans..

Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is the best movie ever!

No, that title goes to the 1968 APJAC/20th Century Fox MASTERPIECE Planet of the Apes...

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You know what's a shame is POTA 2001 could have been really good, Thade was actually a great villain as far as apes go. The whole dinner scene looking for a soul was great but the rest of the movie was a bomb. I'm still a bigger fan of Ursus and Beneath the planet of the apes, my understanding is that's Rory's favorite as well. Lmao.

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The 1968 "masterpiece" does not stand the test of time.

It required new life breathed into it and that came from the genius
of Tim Burton.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:56:08 PM Central Standard Time,
> thaderulestheplanet@... writes:
>
>
> > Is this a hostile environment, waiting to pounce on Thade and
murder
> > him?
> >
> > Yes it is... There are very few people here who even like
pota2001... Most
> > here are PLANET OF THE APES fans..
>
>
> > Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is the best movie ever!
>
> No, that title goes to the 1968 APJAC/20th Century Fox MASTERPIECE
Planet of
> the Apes...
>
> Anyway "Thade", I thought you were long gone and a distant memory
to most
> people...
>

Just a warning about Thadeslittledarling, everyone...he/she is in the
POTA group as well and appears to be a troll.

He/she posts bizarre, confusing rants about how only Burton's film
matters and how all fans everywhere are intolerant jerks who are
killing Planet of the Apes by refusing to accept that the other films
are "stuck in the past." All comics and fan fiction are just
continuing the problem, he/she says. Only POTA2001 can save the
franchise, and anyone who doesn't see that is intolerant. Any
responses to these rants are ignored, with more rants saying the same
thing. He/she is harmless, mind you -- but clearly trolling.

Just thought I'd warn you. Take the rants with a grain of salt and
you'll be happier.

--- thaderulestheplanet wrote:

> The 1968 "masterpiece" does not stand the test of

time.

>
> It required new life breathed into it and that came

from the genius of Tim Burton.
================================================

*** Hah!

By 1974 -- just 6 years after the release of the
original "PLANET OF THE APES" -- APJAC Productions &
20th Century-Fox had released 4 profitable film
sequels and 14 episodes of a TV spin-off series which
was cancelled in spite of the fact that its ratings
were not too shabby considering that it was put up
opposite the 2 most-watched sitcoms of the time
("CHICO AND THE MAN" and "SANFORD AND SON") and was
never given an opportunity to be juggled around on the
schedule.

It's been 6 years since the release of Tim Burton's
crappy "re-imagining"... and, despite the fact that
his film DID make a lot of money (mostly from the
willingness of Classic POTA fans to shell out money
for product with the same name as the 1968 original),
I ask you: have there been any film sequels? Any TV
spin-off series? A cartoon series?

No, no, and no!

Oh, there was some merchandizing... LOTS of
merchandizing... but just ask Terry Hoknes if it was
profitable for 'em! The horrid film version of
"BATTLEFIELD EARTH" had merchandizing, too... and it
sold probably as much as "Leo" action figures did!
Meanwhile, Classic POTA-related merchandise -- such as
the Medicoms, the Sideshow figures, the various Icarus
kits, not to mention the new comic "REVOLUTION ON THE
POTA" -- outsells ANY and ALL of the Burton-film's
stuff.

And, yes, there were some comicbook spin-offs from
Burton's film... but did anybody ever really give a
rat's ass? Compare the fan reaction to those comics
versus the appreciation Classic POTA fans still feel
towards the efforts MARVEL put into their POTA
magazine, all 29 issues of 'em!

How many fans of Burton's film can recite virtually
the entire film's dialogue? Not one in a million, I'd
bet. But how many fans of the Classic POTA film (and
its sequels) can recite much -- even most or ALL -- of
their dialogue? I've seen the 5-films of Classic POTA
enough times to be able to do just that, and I'd bet
that there are quite a few people here who also can do
so.

Schaffner's POTA rules the planet, bucko! Burton's
ugh-inspiring "re-imagining" -- despite being
financially a "success" -- has done more to BURY any
hopes of ever seeing another POTA film being made.

The most we can hope for is the occasional homage to
POTA, as in "JAY AND SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK" or on
"THE SIMPSONS" every once in a while. And these
efforts -- contemporary ones -- have put in their
appearances THIRTY YEARS after the hey-day of Classic
POTA. Talk about "standing the test of time"! In the
year 2031 will anybody give two shits that it's the
30th Anniversary of the release of Burton's
"re-imagining" of POTA???

Yeah, it made its money back, and then some... but it
was a critical failure -- and the vast majority of
POTA fans hated it. Thus, there haven't been any film
sequels yet made... and there never WILL be. All
thanks to the "genius" of Tim Burton and the
screenwriter whose crappy script he filmed.

Ugh.

Patrick

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In a message dated 1/20/2007 10:31:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Ugh.

Patrick

Man Patrick all I can say is "well put" to the whole Tim Burton film VS the classic apes.

 

Thanks

Tom

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thaderulestheplanet
Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 9:56 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Thade

Tell me humans, who is your ruler?

Thade is the #1 ape!

Is this a hostile environment, waiting to pounce on Thade and murder
him?

Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is the best movie ever!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TZer0@...
Sent: Friday, 19 January 2007 7:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

Awww . . .Don't be that way, Neil.

In fact I'm more than happy to pay

$100 a page for the storyboards we

discussed.  No one draws apes like

you do.  They may need to be poster

sized though.  And that was Aussie

dollars, wasn't it?  Worth it, either way

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 8:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Ploog to appear at LA comic Con feb 11

Neil, grab some flights – we’re going to Califonia!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:00 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Thade

Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is the best movie ever!

No, that title goes to the 1968 APJAC/20th Century Fox MASTERPIECE Planet of the Apes...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tshaf37@...
Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 11:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Thade

You know what's a shame is POTA 2001 could have been really good, Thade was actually a great villain as far as apes go. The whole dinner scene looking for a soul was great but the rest of the movie was a bomb.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 9:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Classic success versus Burton's POTA's underwhelming status

I have to agree with you Patrick – the original POTA movie more than stands the test of time.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 9:19 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Thade

Don’t call him/her (it?) “dear”, you will only encourage!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Tilton
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 1:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Classic success versus Burton's POTA's underwhelming status

 But how many fans of the Classic POTA film (and
its sequels) can recite much -- even most or ALL -- of
their dialogue? I've seen the 5-films of Classic POTA
enough times to be able to do just that, and I'd bet
that there are quite a few people here who also can do
so.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 9:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

I believe we all appreciate what you have done for POTA but as with most things it seems you have been taken for granted.

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In a message dated 1/20/2007 5:25:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

By the way – I only take AMERICAN DOLLARS!  ;)

 

Yeah, I wouldn't take that Aussie Monopoly Money either.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:29 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Thade

List ‘em! 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Thade

 

-- Well it is a great film and one I love dearly but I don't think I would call it the best movie ever, it does have plenty of faults.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 10:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Patrick's Theory confirmed by Fox!

I just read a statement from Fox confirming Patrick’s theory re the ape city being based on cave dwellings in Gorme Valley, Turkey.  It was also based on the architectural style of Antonio Gaudi.

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Neil, I actually understand quite well what you mean about being
tired of it all. For about a decade, I wrote for Star Trek
Communicator and several Star Wars licensees, but it got to a point
where it just seemed like too much work and not enough fun. I
haven't done any work for either franchise in over a year, and it's
been a pleasant break, allowing me to finish my POTA timeline
website, focus more on my daytime editing job and, most importantly,
spend more time with my children. There comes a point where an
avocation starts feeling like a vocation, and at that point the joy
tends to go out of it since hobbies are entirely voluntary but jobs
are not. Once a hobby becomes a job, you start feeling like you have
to live up to others' expectations instead of being whatever kind of
fan you want to be. You've been heavily involved in POTA fandom for
several years now, and as such -- especially with running a group --
I wouldn't be surprised if that's how you're beginning to feel. I can empathze.

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This is where I found it:

 

http://www.foxhome. com/apes35/

 

Funny how they use an Escape photo and a Conquest photo on the site!  J

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Im new to this group and was just saying hello to u all!

Also I saw some adds for old pota toys on my dads dvd and is it just
me or r they ment to be extremly funny??? I think they r called megos
or something.

Im new to this group and was just saying hello to u all!

Also I saw some adds for old pota toys on my dads dvd and is it just
me or r they ment to be extremly funny??? I think they r called megos
or something.

~Raymond~

~Raymond~

yo im new and im so young

Is this group about the old crappy POTA movies or the kool new POTA movie?

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bye ppl c ya l8er

The Apes mouths (On every movies/tv show) dont realy look like they r
moving enough when they talk and i was woundering if im just picky or
if ather ppl notice it too.

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Here's my two cents on this very subject.  It might be too unique an experience to help, but it's one I have experience with.

I'm as much of a fan of pop culture as I am a purveyor of it.  I've seen all five hundred Star Trek episodes a dozen times each, I've probably read more Batman comics than anyone alive and I've devoted too much energy in getting every issue of Marvel's Avengers titles, and putting them in lovely bags and boards in my house. I've recorded every Simpsons and adored darn near each one of them.  I owned a set of the Apes movies for twenty years, and watch all five in a week, as an annual ritual in the summer.  As part of my job, I've ended up working on NEARLY all these properties professionally, and I am thrilled that I got to, but it comes with a price.  Your fandom goes out the window.

 I'm always mentally taking notes when watching the Simpsons, studying the dialogue and the rhythms. I get jealous of good ideas that the other writers come up with, rather than simply enjoying them.   After five years of writing Batman comics, I completely stopped reading them for years, and now rarely glance at them.  I didn't even SEE the recent Superman movie, something people who know me can't believe. And as for POTA,  I must have watched Escape and Conquest ten times or more in the space of six months, and I probably won't do my Apes festival for years now. 

A couple of months ago, I was asked if I wanted to work on the new Star Trek comic series. 

I declined.  HELL no.

The thing that appeals to the fan in me is to visit a world that's FAR away from the world I live in.  To GO to Ape City, or Gotham, or the Enterprise in my mind is the best part of the experience.  If I get too involved in actually creating these environments, or make too much of my day about living there, then they no longer are pleasant escapes. 

I don't like visiting Gotham City anymore, cause I literally used to live there.

Ty the Guy.

The make-up was superior as was the acting and direction.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> That's something that worked in Burton's movie. They got the
mouths to
> move.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> cracksmackbang
> Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 6:58 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Ape mouths
>
>
>
> The Apes mouths (On every movies/tv show) dont realy look like they
r
> moving enough when they talk and i was woundering if im just picky
or
> if ather ppl notice it too.
>
>
> --
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "bob jonny" <donkeykong_abc_123@...>
wrote:

>
> bye ppl c ya l8er
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil T Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:31 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

-- I do know I'm appreciated. Don't get me wrong, I'm not fishing for compliments or recognition etc. I've just had enough of it all. Not just the art but the whole effort of running the group, trying to find new things to talk about or show, I can't be arsed anymore.

 

I did have some more things to share that I thought could be interesting but why bother. Time for someone else to step up to the plate.

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: its the who???

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

 (except  being honest the Zira horse thing)

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:55 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Zira STory.

I really like that story.

 

I like Neil’s art for it too, but it has a different feel to it.  Predictably, I much prefer the “BTB” and “GOING HOME” style of art (detailed, true to life) to the Zira’s Horse style.

 

I’m seriously hoping Neil continues to do this story.

 

We did start on a WITHIN style strip “Apes Playing Cards” – but that was really to get people discussing and not a soul said they liked it or liked the idea or otherwise, so that’s defeating the purpose.

 

Michael

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com [PotaDG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of its the who???
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 5:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

 

just to point out the only reason i dislike the ziras daddy gives her a horse story, is that from what we've actually seen is that it's all a bit 'Little house on the Planet of the Apes' !!!

Nothing to do with the art more the lame story

 

----- Original Message -----

From: its the who???

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

 

 (except  being honest the Zira horse thing)

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Hey, guys! I've finally finished up this Planet of the Apes piece I
was working on... take a look!

http://theartofbradsmith.com/PREVApePhotographer.jpg

I'm pretty happy with it - I'm thinking about taking this to the
printers and getting a small volume of art prints.

- Brad

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of its the who???
Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2007 3:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

oh come on how many new things do you seriously expect to find to discuss about a nearly 40 year old film?

This is one of the more active groups i belong to,which says something considering the age of the subject matter!!

 

Everyone loves your art and Whiity's writing but judging by the regular threats to stop your comics unless you get feedback it just seems a tad like fishing for compliments.

Is it for real this time ?

 I personally love your new strip,and have loved all of your strips (except  being honest the Zira horse thing) but you  both do it entirely off your own bat,no ones asked you and you have choosen to give out of the goodness of your hearts don't you ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brad Smith
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 8:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Update on my artwork...

Hey, guys! I've finally finished up this Planet of the Apes piece I
was working on... take a look!

http://theartofbrad smith.com/ PREVApePhotograp her.jpg

I'm pretty happy with it - I'm thinking about taking this to the
printers and getting a small volume of art prints.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of its the who???
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 4:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

just to point out the only reason i dislike the ziras daddy gives her a horse story, is that from what we've actually seen is that it's all a bit 'Little house on the Planet of the Apes' !!!

Nothing to do with the art more the lame story

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 6:56 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Zira STory.

We did start on a WITHIN style strip “Apes Playing Cards” – but that was really to get people discussing and not a soul said they liked it or liked the idea or otherwise, so that’s defeating the purpose.

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The make-up was superior as was the acting and direction.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> That's something that worked in Burton's movie. They got the
mouths to
> move.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> cracksmackbang
> Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 6:58 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Ape mouths
>
>
>
> The Apes mouths (On every movies/tv show) dont realy look like they
r
> moving enough when they talk and i was woundering if im just picky
or
> if ather ppl notice it too.
>
>
> --
>

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In a message dated 1/20/2007 6:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Have you seen Aussie currency?  It's bloody plastic!

 

The new bills here look like Confederate Currency!

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I hate to see how angry you've gotten over this. Usually its Michael
who flys off the handle and you've always been the one who's kept it
together. I've always enjoyed this group and its the only one I've
been more than a lurker on... because it wasn't always the very lame,
over analyzing, Star Trek like debates over things none of us could
ever know the real answers for anyways. I'm sorry if you've started
to feel used and the fun is no longer there.... because the fun is
what made this group different. I hope that after a break, maybe
you'll be able to find what attracted you to the Apes in the first
place. I really hope this isn't the end.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> -- Excuse me but if you go back through the posts you will find
that I
> have constantly gone out of my way to try and find new, previously
> unknown and hopefully interesting things to discuss. If you and
others
> like you bothered to try and contribute as well maybe it wouldn't
have
> come to this.
>
> Yes it is for real this time. Like I said, I don't go fishing for
> compliments and how dare you insinuate that I do. We only ever
asked for
> feedback to help us bring you people what you like and help us out
with
> the stories. We are still just novices at this after all.
> If you hadn't noticed the very little feedback we have been getting
> lately has always been from the same 2 or 3 people.
>
> Yes we have been giving out of the goodness of our own hearts
without
> anyone asking us to for a good few years now but maybe it is time
for
> you and a few others to do something. No? I didn't think so.
>
> Neil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of its the who???
> Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2007 3:08 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
>
>
>
>
>
> oh come on how many new things do you seriously expect to find to
> discuss about a nearly 40 year old film?
> This is one of the more active groups i belong to,which says
something
> considering the age of the subject matter!!
>
> Everyone loves your art and Whiity's writing but judging by the
regular
> threats to stop your comics unless you get feedback it just seems a
tad
> like fishing for compliments.
> Is it for real this time ?
> I personally love your new strip,and have loved all of your strips
> (except being honest the Zira horse thing) but you both do it
entirely
> off your own bat,no ones asked you and you have choosen to give out
of
> the goodness of your hearts don't you ?
> .
>
> <http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?
s=97359714/grpId=8605785/grpspId=1705021437/m
> sgId=42841/stime=1169399519/nc1=3858794/nc2=3848613/nc3=4299909>
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I hate to see how angry you've gotten over this. Usually its Michael
who flys off the handle and you've always been the one who's kept it
together.

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In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:27:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, thaderulestheplanet@... writes:

May Thade lead you through the vallry of darkness.

 

Is that valley or valerie?

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In a message dated 1/21/2007 1:15:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, itsthewho@... writes:

it's all a bit 'Little house on the Planet of the Apes' !!!

Nothing to do with the art more the lame story

 

It's very easy to criticize . . .

You write something then!

 

 

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The 1968 "masterpiece" does not stand the test of time.

It required new life breathed into it and that came from the genius
of Tim Burton.

On the contrary... The PLANET film has lasted damn near 40 years, and pota2001 is a piece of sh*t that almost nobody even remembers, wants to remember, or even gave a flip about to begin with!

It may have required "updating" for you, the "MTV audience" that it tried to appeal to, but anyone that wants to see a film with SUBSTANCE and made with CLASS will always gravitate to PLANET, not Burton's piece of sh*t...

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.html In a message dated 1/20/2007 8:24:33 AM Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

Just a warning about Thadeslittledarling, everyone...he/she is in the
POTA group as well and appears to be a troll.

*** I hear ya...

I am thinking that this new "Thade" may even be the same Thade that would just go on and on incoherently on the APES_Flicks group I think it was...

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In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:25:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, thaderulestheplanet@... writes:

The make-up was superior as was the acting and direction.

 

Sure they had the articulation of their lower lips

in the new flick, but they had to talk with a mouth

full of dentures that made them sound like a bunch

of Geico Cavemen.  I'm sure in any future incarnations

of POTA either GCI or animatronics or a combination

of the two will solve the lip movement problem once

and for all.  Then it will just be a matter of looping

the ADR so the dialogue sounds as natural as

the lip movement looks.  They should spend their

money developing that instead of visuals and SFX.

 

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I just read a statement from Fox confirming Patrick's theory re the ape city being based on cave dwellings in Gorme Valley, Turkey

*** Whitty, Bill Creber has been saying that for years, and he states it clearly in the BEHIND documentary... Patrick is not the originator of the "theory, he is just repeating a FACT...***

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In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:21:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

-- this is the sort of thing that annoys me. The story that you call "lame" was written by Lord T. At least he got off his arse and had a go and actually did something. You haven't seen where it was ultimately headed or what was going to happen next so you really shouldn't be putting it down without the benefit of the full story.

 

Neil

 

Thank you Neil.

I think if they had seen more than the beginning

They might think better of it.  Perhaps not.  But

I don't think it should be judged by the opening

chapter.  And I don't think it was anymore

lame than some of the TV Shows were.

If anyone else would like to take a crack

at what happened before the first film

be my guest.  I leave it to you.

 

 

 

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.html In a message dated 1/21/2007 1:24:32 AM Central Standard Time, cracksmackbang@... writes:

Also I saw some adds for old pota toys on my dads dvd and is it just
me or r they ment to be extremly funny??? I think they r called megos
or something.

**** It's you... They were actually very well done commercials for their time, I mean not many commercials had soundtrack music, and even a very thin plotline...

BTW, the MEGO figures are still some of the most popular merchandise items tied in with APES...***<.html

.html In a message dated 1/21/2007 1:36:40 AM Central Standard Time, donkeykong_abc_123@... writes:

Is this group about the old crappy POTA movies or the kool new POTA movie?

*** WTF?!?

If you're only interested in that Burton sh*t, go start a group devoted to it...

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.html In a message dated 1/21/2007 2:42:20 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

That's something that worked in Burton's movie.  They got the mouths to move.

*** That may be so, but from what I understand, they sounded like they had a mouth full of sh*t and were extremely MUFFLED.... So, what's the better trade off, less articulation and HEARING the dialog, or more movement and shaking your head and wondering "What'd they say"?***<.html

.html In a message dated 1/21/2007 6:02:39 PM Central Standard Time, ntfoster@... writes:

If you and others like you bothered to try and contribute as well maybe it wouldn't have come to this.

*** I agree with you here Neil...

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Let me quickly respond to that by saying I don't think I ever lost my fondness for these characters and properties, but rather, I lost my need to visit the original experience as much. Not quite the same, and not quite as bad.  The original movies, comics and episodes just printed onto my DNA, that's all.

Another of my grotesque lifelong fandoms is Beatlemania.  As a teenager, I played every record until too scratchy to play, and bought another one then played that into the ground, then bought a third copy so I could learn to play all the rythm guitar and baselines, then I'd buy a Japanese copy, just to sit on the shelf, because it came with better packaging, with extra pictures.

 Nowadays if I want to have a Beatle moment, I put on one of the later Harrison or McCartney albums or I listen to the remix "LOVE" or something.  It's not that I lose my fondness for the original material, but I tend to burn out on things.  My fondness never goes away.  As much as I don't think I'll play my original five POTA movies (now six, in my ritual since it came out, I know people hate that I don't hate that movie!), but if they ever make ANOTHER one, I'll be fighting people to see it.  I think I enjoy the sense of newness with art and fantasy.  (Although I mentioned I hadn't seen the new Superman movie, I went out and bought it today, just to get over my snark about it.)

I wasn't implying it was a bad thing to overload on Apes or Beatles or Batman.  Just that it came with a balance, very Ying/Yang.  The candle that burns twice as bright, burns half as long, grasshopper.

Ty the Guy.

On 1/21/07, Michael Whitty < whitty@...> wrote:

This certainly makes sense Ty.

 

I was a lot more fond of POTA prior to my joining, and running, these groups.

 

I am a lot better informed now, but that is certainly not necessarily a good thing!

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Sunday, 21 January 2007 7:41 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Comics.

 

Here's my two cents on this very subject.  It might be too unique an experience to help, but it's one I have experience with.

I'm as much of a fan of pop culture as I am a purveyor of it.  I've seen all five hundred Star Trek episodes a dozen times each, I've probably read more Batman comics than anyone alive and I've devoted too much energy in getting every issue of Marvel's Avengers titles, and putting them in lovely bags and boards in my house. I've recorded every Simpsons and adored darn near each one of them.  I owned a set of the Apes movies for twenty years, and watch all five in a week, as an annual ritual in the summer.  As part of my job, I've ended up working on NEARLY all these properties professionally, and I am thrilled that I got to, but it comes with a price.  Your fandom goes out the window.

 I'm always mentally taking notes when watching the Simpsons, studying the dialogue and the rhythms. I get jealous of good ideas that the other writers come up with, rather than simply enjoying them.   After five years of writing Batman comics, I completely stopped reading them for years, and now rarely glance at them.  I didn't even SEE the recent Superman movie, something people who know me can't believe. And as for POTA,  I must have watched Escape and Conquest ten times or more in the space of six months, and I probably won't do my Apes festival for years now. 

A couple of months ago, I was asked if I wanted to work on the new Star Trek comic series. 

I declined.  HELL no.

The thing that appeals to the fan in me is to visit a world that's FAR away from the world I live in.  To GO to Ape City, or Gotham, or the Enterprise in my mind is the best part of the experience.  If I get too involved in actually creating these environments, or make too much of my day about living there, then they no longer are pleasant escapes. 

I don't like visiting Gotham City anymore, cause I literally used to live there.

Ty the Guy.

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In a message dated 1/22/2007 1:22:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

I wasn't implying it was a bad thing to overload on Apes or Beatles

 

Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

 

 

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